Where are all the dedicated protestors with their strong, never swaying views and opinions now? Surely they must still be camped and protesting in the city and standing up for their beliefs? What's that, oh they've gone. Fairweather fools.
can i just add that the police did ask them to leave and they did not, the only reason the police did what they did is because they were sleeping there and they did not want that. the police said they could be there during the day but not at night and they would not leave. yes how they got them to leave in the end was NOT good, but how else could they get them to move??
i lived in melbourne for 12 years, the cops there are hard-arses, they cant discriminate as part of their job because there are so many dickheads crowding out that shitty town.
terrible seeing this in my home city. There needs to be a balance between peaceful protest and protecting the public interest without resorting to violence.
I was there and know what happened and why it happened so I'm pretty fucking qualified to comment on how it all unfolded. I'll never be dragged by police for any reason so that's a mute point. I'm know halfwit either, don't let the long fool you.
@grandstrom1, too many retards have missed that point completely. It's actually a fairly basic concept. The simple fact of the matter is this footage and what took place in Melbourne was NOT police brutality. The vast majority of Victorians support our police and have no issues with them.
Police did use force yes and so they should. The argument here is about people saying it's brutality etc etc. It isn't even close. Police were entitled to use the force they deemed necessary in the circumstances and it needs to be more then the protesters use or there'd just be a stalemate.
@bazwaa007 "You need to harden up" a really 'mature' comment, tough guy i suppose if somebody was dragging you along the ground you'd just take like a man- you might not agree with the protestors and think they have no legal right to protest there (it's likely that they don't) but it isn't license for the police to charge in and start 'breaking heads' - in situation like that it is the responsiblity of the police to conduct themselves in a manner befitting their station as figures of authority
The Australian constitution does not have a freedom of speech thing in it the same as the one on the US. Americans have an annoying habit of applying their own context to other peoples of the world.
@kathyofrin Who cares about freedom of speech. Shouldnt the police have an obligation to treat people with a sense of dignity and respect? this was a complete abuse of power and their orders arent coming from australian interests. But i guess we're all just descendants of British convicts anyways, so i guess we are british property...
@jdogsful British property? that's a bit out of the blue.
I agree, their orders are not coming from Australian interests, but my point is that in Australia we do not have the same protections of our right to protest as they have in the US. These cops are using the lack of freedom of speech laws as an excuse for treating the protesters in this way. Thus, we as citizens should be focusing on remedying that.
the fact is that these protesters are breaking the law - occupying the square is breaking the law. 1 count each per protester of Disturbance of the peach adn crating a public nuissance.
The police were enforcing the law and when the protesters were asked to leave and failed to comply with the police instructions. add 1 count per protester of failing to comply with an polic officer's instructions.
Therefore each protester has broken the law and the police have the DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to arrest each and every protester and charge them all with disturbance of the peace, creating a public nuissance and failing to comply with police directions. all in all a win for society by holding them responsible for breaking the law.
@patricktiley if we didnt have protesters all around the world fighting for our rights most people, like yourself would not even notice the injustices or our current hierarchy and corporate dictatorship. These protesters are peaceful. The police using force on young adult and women IS THE TRUE DISTURBANCE OF PEACE. They are payed bullies that have no sense of personal liberties and are oblivious to the meaning of freedom. Much like yourself, i imagine.
If you think that's abuse you need to toughen up princess. It's hardly offensive. I've had things to say here and elsewhere and like you I'm entitled to my opinion. My gripe is the fact this clip and others like it were alleging police brutality but the comments have all be hijacked by wanna-be intellects. This footage is far from brutal.
@86bushy, can any of you knobs come up with something original or do you all have a quote book and quick guide to cliches with you at all times? Pls do not protest on my behalf, you can jam it up your jacksy.
@bazwaa007 fair enough, I borrowed a quote I heard recently. Is that all u have to say? If u still have more pointless abuse, please continue! get it out of your system!
oh, by the way, nice abuse, real original : jam it up your jacksy
I would like to point out here that in Australia for the most part, police brutality and misconduct are investigated by.... the police 0.0
Corinna Horvath is having to go before the UN Human Rights council to have her case against Victorian police heard for her brutal mistaken for assault.
The police that assaulted and abused her are still working as police.
Spot on leroyBN, so many comments by people not even in our city who don't know a thing about this protest. The police did a good job, acted fairly and patiently until they needed to move people physically. Protesters are not exempt from the law and need to do what they are told when they are told by police. Most people understand that.
Who the hell are these 2?? Who are they to pass judgement from 20,000 km's away? They were not in Melbourne that day. I was.
The police did not bash anyone as Steve Oh said. The protesters were illegally occupying an area of Melbourne. They were asked to moved several times. They were trespassing and removed. They had the option to move on, they did not take it. They were removed. The protesters hindered and resisted police.
@sadohenker I'm not quite sure what your point is...the police have been bashing people everywhere, I know this.
I had to drive my two friends to the hospital, one had turned green and was vomiting all over the back seat because she had been mace sprayed in the mouth, my other friend had his face kicked in when he bent to help someone up. There is no way I'm on the side of the police if that's what you're assuming.
Finally some good statements made in the media that include:
"They've been cluttering up public space with unhygienic detritus for almost two weeks. Enough is enough."
Loved NYC Mayors comment "Protesters have had two months to occupy the park with tents and sleeping bags. Now they will have to occupy the space with the power if their arguments".
I doubt Occupy Melbourne can achieve anything with their argument so it's no wonder they're upset about having their camp cleaned up. Go home and h
@bazwaa007 "Protesters have had two months to occupy the park with tents and sleeping bags. Now they will have to occupy the space with the power of their arguments".
Thumbs up -- I fully agree with the Mayors comment --
This was footage, comments and thread about police and protesters and the moronic idea of it being police brutality. With all the diatribe being spewed out now it's been hijacked by wannabe intellects trying to outwit one another.
I have an opinion about this video that is entirely in the left field outside the parameters of you politically retarded, modern-media-hypnotized sheeple pissant's limited knowledge; I'd love to share it with you if I didn't consider you all to be insects and farm animals that were totally unworthy of reading, thinking, and replying with intelligence to my comment, so, unfortunately ... I cannot share it with you :(
So easily baited, hook line & sinker. Your not even an Aussie so why trawl our comments mate? By the way, your village just called, they want their idiot back and wondered where you'd got to.....
CORRECTION: YOU ARE A CLUELESS BRAINDEAD AUTHORITARIAN RETARD. IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU TO GO OVER HISTORY AND TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO AUTHORITARIANS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD YOU CLUELESS BRAINDEAD RETARDED COP COCK-SUCKING JACKASS.
WHAT ARE YOU? YOU ARE EITHER A RETARD COMMITTED TO AN INSTITUTION, KEPT AND SHELTERED WELL BY MOMMY AND DADDY AS THE FAMILY PET, OR A HILLBILLY AT THE BACKDOORS OF AMERICA PROTECTED AND SAFE MILES AWAY FROM CIVILIZATION LIKE AN ENCINO MAN. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE A CLUELESS BRAINDEAD RETARD.
Well you answered your own question. Yes the police do have the right to tell them to move you fucking moron. So many wankers talking about democratic rights, well you cant have it both ways. If it's covered in legislation, council bi-laws, the Crimes Act or any other state or Commonwealth law then police do have the right. Let's hope tools like you continue to protest so you get your just desserts.
@ bazwaa007: you my friend are the complete fool! Who says they have no right to be there? the police? and who the fuck gave the police the right to tell people what land they can stand on. Why should any person have the right over someone else to tell them what they can do, especially when they are peaceful about it. You may not think the world is in a shit situation right now, because you obviously have your sunglasses on, but just wait a few more years down the line!
@86bushy you wont even be able to take a shit without the plice telling you when u can use the toilet, and how many pieces of paper u can use to wipe ur ass. open ur eyes to the rising! people need to connect with each other again, instead of filling their lives with bullshit that you get brainwashed with without even knowing it most of the time!
open my eyes to what "rising"? enlighten me bushy. what bullshit have i been brainwashed with? it seems that everyone of these f%^Kwit protesters is angry and pissy about something completely different to the next angry pissy protesting f&*kwit. you are pissed off for the sake of being pissed off, protesting for the sake of protesting. is this about corporate greed? or is this about getting a reaction from the police and getting attention that you dont get from mum and dad anymore?
@largeno28 the three stages of truth: 1)ridicule, 2) violent opposition, 3) acceptance It seems like you are pissed off that people are standing up for something they believe in, and that it does not gel in with your cosy life. I think it is more a situation that your parents never gave you any attention and now you think it is unfair that this is gaining worldwide attention!
that doesn't answer my questions? believe me i am as progressive as the next person, and this movement serves no purpose. it's pointless anger venting aimed right at the system. the original purpose of the protest has been lost and forgotten OR these pissed off people have been trying to upset the police off from the moment that they gained widespread attention
wwwDOTheraldsunDOTcomDOTau/news/more-news/occupy-melbourne-disrupts-city-shoppers/story-fn7x8me2-1226196005538 what the fuck!
@largeno28 is this about corporate greed or getting a reaction from the police? is that ur question? im not sure which one and i dont think it there is enough space for all the questions. I personally dont take part in activism for getting a reaction from the police, but it is interesting how the police react to people voicing their opinions when it does not conform. do u not think there is a problem when millions of people around the world are standing up and reacting against a corrupt system(s
@largeno28 i think freedom of speech seems to be a massive illusion too. We have been given the freedom of speech!?! ha thats bullshit! i do not agree with violence from either side, and when u really look at whats happening, where is the main source of violence coming from?
@86bushy yeah why should there be anyone with a right to tell you anything ever! so then if I come camp on your nature strip or front yard you'll not call the police if I'm peaceful right?
@badpanda84 This is the dilemma, the protesters can't infringe on my liberties and I shouldn't infringe on theirs. So we should work something out, where they can enjoy their right to freedom of speech and protest and I can get my coffee in the morning.
We should not be pepper spraying them and running them over with horses.
@badpanda84 Well I found the protesters to be very clean and peaceful and non-disruptive. Sure I had to walk around to get to Bernettis, but that wasn't a big deal to protect their right to freedom of speach. The place only started to fall into disrepute when police cadged in the protesters (not sure how that makes sense 0.0).
As long as there is no health risk, or safety risk, your inconvenience is irrelevant when it comes to freedom of speech. Freedom> Inconvenience
@daymyth "your inconvenience is irrelevant when it comes to freedom of speech. Freedom> Inconvenience"
That is merely your opinion. But if I was a businees in the surrounding area and was lossing money as a result of these protest ( as many businesses claim) I would want to be compensated for that.
@badpanda84 Wow.... that is just... you just don't get it do you. The quote isn't a quote citing law, I'm fairly certain it's from his personal writings, it's about the idea of what that statement means. Trading freedom for comfort is not a good idea, as eventually you end up loosing both.
Marcus Aurelius is a Roman Emperor who died many centuries ago, Epicurus and Mikhail Bakunin are Greek and Russian respectively, people still "give a shit" about what they said.
@badpanda84 I understand that being a bouncer may not be the most intellectually stimulating of professions but that's no excuse for being an ingrate. I can't believe you don't understand why the words of people of the past can still be important in our lives today... Sigh, I mean I understood from your replies that you were your generic run of the mill proletarian, but now this is just sad.
"this is Melbourne -- so no one in Australia give a shit what Benjamin Franklin says" sigh...
@daymyth " I can't believe you don't understand why the words of people of the past can still be important in our lives today"
But that was a diffrenent context -- and we dont even fact the same problems as the US -- the only reason there is even a protest in Melbourne is because the American did it.
@daymyth " So we should work something out, where they can enjoy their right to freedom of speech and protest and I can get my coffee in the morning."
BAM... Give it to them Libcon, I like your thinking. Your thoughts are more in keeping with the rest of Melbourne. Most of the fools on these comments aren't even locals.
Police did not assault people for exercising their freedom of speech at all you fool. People were physically removed because they refused to do what they were told. They had no right to be where they were and no right to remain there. In order for police to move them, it's common sense to think they need to use more force then the protesters otherwise you end up with a stalemate. I'll never ever be mistreated by a cop as I wouldn't put myself in a situation where I was ignoring clear instructi
Most of the protesters were shit stirrers trying to fire the cops up. They were given plenty of warning to leave and refused. They did not listen and obey instructions by police so they got what they deserved. How dare they say they speak on my behalf, bloody wankers. Im actually glad my tax money is helping pay for the coppers who have to go to work and put up with that shit. Get out of our great city and bugger off elsewhere.
@bazwaa007 here here! Loving your views mate, glad there's a few Melburnians who are game enough to call it like it is. And your exactly right they had officially from 7am-9am to move off and when they didn't the police waited until 1pm, a whole SIX HOURS
@OzWeather1 its more likely than you'd think! hahah. but yeah I saw a few Che t shirts and Mao's face on some bags and badges, more than a few red flags waving too
Ill be honest. I support the"occupy XXXX" movements core principle of better wealth distribution and standards of living and capitalistic reform.
However from what I saw with my own eyes. is thath the majority of protestors there were, a) fringe conspiracy wackos or b) the shit-stiring arm of the local communist "party".
Both those groups were hijacking this for their own gains, just as the anti-captialist did with the environmental movement in the 60's.
@TheFluffyDuck (a) what is this? (b) how would they fit the description of communist? (c) what would you do if I pissed in your face, Conservativefuckwit McGee?
@TheFluffyDuck hahaha yes. Answer the fucking question. You seem to have no idea what the weight of those ignorant remarks are, and what they make you look like.
@Fudgaboutit Ive learnt a long time ago to not feed the trolls. But becasue u have already shown a wonderful command of the queens english and flare for incorrect assumptions I will entertain your questions?
a) People who use the word "sheeple" alot because we just dont buy that bankers are NWO lizard men from outer-space. b) "socialist alternative" are a well known minor party in australia. c) rip your dick off
Oh yes and to correct your assumption. I am the antithesis of conservative u twat
@TheFluffyDuck World banks are the most powerful organizations in the world, and they do control the world. Governments are fronts used to legislate corporations so that they can operate within the law. There are secret organizations like the Bilderberg Group which do control world affairs. The New World Order is a real problem. These are not conspiracies theories, my pig-ignorant friend. GET INFORMED. "Sheeple" is a cliched insult, but god damn if it is apt. So I use it.
@TheFluffyDuck The media barely has to put any effort to balk at unconventional opinions which actually expose the truth. All they need is dipshits like you who are cozy in their positions in life to afford to turn a blind eye to the truth, and balk at any info that's counter to what the lies your force-fed on a daily basis. Somebody who's in possession of this info are not "fringe-conspiracy-wackos" YOU MINDLESS APE. I cannot tell you how much I loathe people like you.
At a time like this - when our world is facing crisis' and injustices on an epic scale - I can't tell you how abhorrent it is to hear this shamefully ignorant shit. It REALLY DOES make me want to completely turn my back on humanity. It is unimaginable to me that someone could be this stupid. You don't "BUY." You just don't "buy." WELL BUY IT, COCKSUCKER. "Lizard-men-from-outer-space." What the fuck is this shit? No retard - not space lizards - just people. Very rich, and very real people.
@TheFluffyDuck Lastly, I can see you were afraid I was going to make a fool out of you, and so instead of having to defend your ignorant statements, you hid behind the bullshit excuse that you don't have to bother justifying yourself to a "troll," and furthermore, a "troll" who doesn't use yuppie speech. Nice. You're a weaselly coward, and ignoramus, and also a shameless liar to top it off. Those are some upstanding traits you have there. I very much doubt you have the balls to rip my dick off.
@TheFluffyDuck See? You were afraid for nothing. That wasn't so bad, was it? I didn't even really go in depth. All I did was tell you that you were wrong, and hurled insults (attributed apt words to your sub-humanity) at you. See - im not a troll - I just don't play nice with people like you, and I'd rather not try to enlighten you. Some of my peers try to. I honor them. But I do not BOTHER. You sure as hell don't sound like the antithesis to conservatism. You could be on Fox News.
You are all so misinformed and protesting the wrong thing. Search "Federal Reserve Bank & Money Mechanics" on YouTube. Why do you think the Middle East hate's the USA? It's as clear as fricken day. You people need to brush up on your analytical skills.
2. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, THAT'S MY CITY! SHIT JUST GOT REAL!!!1. Time to get my ass into gear, start attending some protests and write some strongly worded letters to my local Member of Parliament.
Get over it lefties, there will always be a human food chain. It exists in every other animal species, what makes you think we humans won't abide by the same rules of nature? Don't give me the "we are human, not animals" shit; otherwise you belong in the loony bin with the creationist Christians. We are animals, there will always be an Alpha and a Delta. Stop resisting, just get used to it and find your place in the game.
While I don't love a lot of the cops around at the moment. The police were well within their rights to be dragging people like this if they're resisting arrest or resisting to move. Don't want to be dragged along the ground by your legs? Stand up and cooperate in the first place. The whole 99% deal in Australia is completely redundant. We are one of the luckiest and well off countries in the world right now. GTF over yourselves.
@welovejak Just because income disparity in Australia is not as bad as in the United States does not mean that our economic and political system are hunky dory. Stop being so apathetic.
@SupermarketsRevil Sure our Politicians lack flare and integrity at the moment, and the system could be better - I still stand by the fact that we have it very good here in Australia and I really dislike people being so ungrateful for that. I'm not being apathetic in the slightest. I do in fact agree with a lot of the points being protested. I just don't agree with the way they've gone about it, and the way everyone is acting like the average australian lives in poverty and the rich are evil.
@welovejak "- I still stand by the fact that we have it very good here in Australia and I really dislike people being so ungrateful for that."--On what basis do you conclude anyone is ungrateful? Your comment infers that protesting alone makes one ungrateful.
"I just don't agree with the way they've gone about it, "--They protested against what they see as inequality and unfair circumstances. What part of this do you not agree with?
@SupermarketsRevil I'm talking about the way they're behaving in this video (like idiots). But I'm saying that 1. There's no clear point these people are protesting, they're all protesting different things, it's a protest that has been copy and pasted from a society with main issues which differ from our own. 2. The main demographic of these protesters are students who should be studying for exams so they can get the education provided to them by the government so they can have a good life.
@welovejak You are making presumptions about the opinions of individuals who you've never spoken to or heard from. Nothing you have said is supported by evidence and your willingness so dismiss the objections of people you clearly don't understand only serves to demonstrate either a lack of concern about the issue, or an intent to silence dissent Don't bother replying unless you have you can demonstrate any of your claims with actual evidence.
@welovejak That video is a handful of people giving reasons for their involvement in the Occupy movement. Those reasons were all centred of corporate greed. "Enough said"? So you're for corporate greed? You're for unregulated free markets with zero accountability and oversight? If so, perhaps you should take your Ayn Rand book and move somewhere that has no government, because that is the only form of pure capitalism.
@magnum13th "protest has been extremely disorganised"--Your point?
"i've counted at least 8 different agenda's being protested by different groups."--Yes, the economy is complicated and not every has the same concerns.
"greed is simply the way western economies work"--It's the way the world works. Doesn't mean we should let it turn so shit by not regulating those who would seek to take advantage of others.
so far, i havent seen any clear goals as to what this protest in melbourne is even trying to achieve. =/
i mean im all for ending these ridiculous parachute packages of ceo's in america on wall street, but we're not really experiencing the same issues hear in australia.
without organisation, without goals, and with SO many different agendas..
i can't see 'occupy melbourne' achieving anything. the protestors dont even know exactly what they want to achieve
@magnum13th "regulate how?"--The national economy is a large thing which comprises of many industries. It should go without saying that there is no national financial panacea, you need to evaluate each situation on its individual merits.
" i havent seen any clear goals as to what this protest in melbourne is even trying to achieve. =/"--Of course you haven't. Occupy isn't a large political party with all the same talking pooints. Everyone has their own individual objections.
@magnum13th Just because on protester doesn't hold exactly the same views as the next, that is not an excuse to dismiss them all.
"i mean im all for ending these ridiculous parachute packages "--Good.
"but we're not really experiencing the same issues hear in australia"--We have our own issues.
You again emphasise the variety of goals as if this is a bad thing. Would you prefer all the protestors formed a singe large party and demanded comformity?
@magnum13th "the protestors dont even know exactly what they want to achieve"--Which protestors have you spoken to or heard from to arrive at this conclusion? Furthermore, even if someone doesn't have a perfect solution for a given problem, does that mean they aren't right in highlighting that problem?
Look at the poverty among Australian Aborigines, I can see that is a problem, even if I dont have a solution.
@magnum13th Quite honestly this is perhaps what disappoints me the me most about Australian culture. The "she'll be right" attitude of attitude of apathy and wishful thinking. We're very lucky to live in this country and not any others that are experiencing poverty, warfare and extreme oppression. Sitting on our increasingly fat asses watching the footy and drinking cheap beer is only going to result in erosion of our civil liberties and financial freedom.
@SupermarketsRevil mate, so the slogan is 'end corporate greed'? how? can u tell me? otherwise, all you ppl need to stop taking the easy way out of complaining about something but not backing it up with actions.
just wow. it is SO EASY to go and protest and feel self-righteous, how can change occur when they don't even know what they want to change?? as good as intentions might be, it is pointless and moronic.
a fundingraising bbq wouldve been more helpful to the '99%'.
@magnum13th "so the slogan is 'end corporate greed'?"--If you had actually read my previous comments I explained that there is no universal complaint common to all protesters. If you describe a specific issue, I will give my my thoughts. Otherwise, stop asking 'lolz what is your super duper special solution to all economic problems?
If you are so content with deluding yourself that corporations are all-benevolent, I suggest you go back to your news limited owned media.
well if i see posters everywhere with "end corporate greed, occupy melbourne" written on them, i guess i am (and many people are) going to assume they're the themes of the protest????
i don't think corporations are perfect, but i dont see how this protest helps the situation, in any way.
not only does this protest obviously not offer a "super duper special solution to all economic problems", it offers NO solutions. i've been to the protest and discovered this.
@magnum13th "well if i see posters everywhere"--That may be a major theme for many, but don't assume everything has the same objections. What's more, 'corporate greed' can manifest itself to the detriment of society in many ways, opinions are obviously going to differ.
Now that you've posted a dozen comments saying 'lol i duno wut theyr protesting they must b st00pid' maybe you'd like to make another wisecrack about all protestors being druggo commie nazi socialists...
@SupermarketsRevil lol u actually paraphrased me well. in the end, i think i have a right to be pissed off that thousands of taxpayer dollars were WASTED in getting hundreds of police to forcibly remove ppl (because of complaints from the public) who refused to leave a public space they were camping on (illegal). when these ppl were just 'raising awareness', a goal arguably already achieved after spending a week in the centre of one of the busiest locations in melbourne. thats why im annoyed.
@magnum13th You're proud of the Police for physically assaulting people for exercising their freedom of speech, are you?
" 'raising awareness'--Parentheses? I guess you're right, they didn't pick the CBD to protest, they picked it to camp cos they thought it would make a good place to spot Yeti hurrrr.
" arguably already achieved"--Yes, just like O'Reilly claims the US is 'not racist'.
@magnum13th If you're concerned about wasting tax dollars, complain about how we give millions to wealthy RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS that INDOCTRINATE kids at a young age (a form of (government sponsored) sponsored) child abuse) while our public schools stagnate.
Or maybe why we keep giving money to private sporting businesses to build multi million dollar sporting stadiums while our farmers struggle to survive and most of the country has 10 year old broadband infrastructure.
@magnum13th "how can you expect to have a good CEO working for your company, if you pay him/her the same wage as a junior member?"--I don't.
"ignorant protestors dont understand business finance"--Keep the ad hominem's coming. They do a wonderful job of illustrating your case.
Yes, your drug reference is a generalisation, and an inaccurate one at that. Speaking of drugs, ask the US how their 'war on drugs' is working out for them. Ask the dead mexican civilians massacred by local warlords.
@SupermarketsRevil and while this is being extremely generalising, also a decent amount of these protestors (ppl i personally know) would do well to start working for 'equality' by not supporting an industry that destroys ppl's lives and funds criminal activity (the drug industry)
@SupermarketsRevil no he's right actually. I spent three days visiting the city square camp, and I got the real sense that aside from their "general assemblies" that this was a group where there was no core message or specific grievances, it was very much bring-your-own-grievance, and some idiot was loudly carrying on about "greenbacks and fed res notes" and "the federal reserve in Australia" that guy with the silver coin telling us to put our money in silver if you saw him
@LibCon00 "this was a group where there was no core message or specific grievances"--As I've said multiple times, protestors are not part of a singular hivemind, their opinions may vary. Yet you continue to speak of this as if it is a bad thing, despite the lack of any reason to make such a conclusion.
And really? not a single person could specify a grievance? Perhaps if u paid more attention to the majority of the protestors and less to the occasional crazy hippy you would be better informed
@SupermarketsRevil "As I've said multiple times, protestors are not part of a singular hivemind, their opinions may vary"
That is true and also the reason why the OWS protest wont work.
A protest with no core message or specific grievances is not going to work. -- this is because there is no aim or objective -- merely hundred of people screaming whatever there grivances are.
@badpanda84 "A protest with no core message or specific grievances is not going to work."--Please spend a few minutes researching what the Occupy movement is actually about before making such ignorant comments. Are you not aware of the consunsus format utilised in many Occupy protests? Are u not aware of the core grievances that you claim do not exist, but which are shared by most, such as being for limiting donations to politicians, removing corporate personhood and ending taxpayer bailouts?
@SupermarketsRevil " Are u not aware of the core grievances that you claim do not exist, but which are shared by most, such as being for limiting donations to politicians, removing corporate personhood and ending taxpayer bailouts?"
In Australia at least -- I never heard any protestors bring up any of those issuses.. -- the issuse of taxpayer bailouts might be an issuse on wallstreet -- but remember Australis was hardly affected by teh GFC
@badpanda84 But Australia still has similar problems where CEO payouts are ridiculously high, Was it Blue Scope steel that announced a few weeks ago billion dollar losses and huge job cuts but the CEO still walks away with millions of dollars of company money?
Also is there anything wrong with showing shared solidarity for your fellow human across the globe in another country? We march for the people of Tibet, we can march for the people of America.
@badpanda84 "LOL the majority of the protestors are crazy hippys -- that is the problem.."--HAHAHAHAHA GO FUCK YOURSELF. Watch more fox news. Next anyone in favour of any form of regulation is a communist socialist pinko nazi.
Grow the fuck up. Your blatant misrepresentation of reailty (despite being corrected) clearly demosntrates you're either a troll or an idiot.
@welovejak "and the way everyone is acting like the average australian lives in poverty and the rich are evil"--Who is acting like this? How do you determine what someones opinions are without talking to them?
Again, just because many someone complains, that doesn't mean they hate their country & don't appreciate any of their nation's good points. It means they are trying to make their nation even better.
I fail to see why you're making all these presumptions when you have no grounds to do so
Now imagine if they had done this to some teabagger grandpa in his teabag hat.... can you even begin to imagine the 24 hour outrage Fox would be spewing.
yei hope the police all over the world do the same ...these sleze lazy cunts ...fucking dont know wtf they are yelling...i challange ANY OF THOSE TO PROOVE THAT CAPITALISM IS THE CAUSE AND COMUNISM IS THE SOLUTION COMUNISM KILLED 230 000 000 AND USA KILLED 1.200 000 SINCE ITS DISCOVERY
@DrakeIcn So the government has to provide facilities for squatters in a public space? which they are denying the vast majority of melburnians the enjoyment of? its usually packed with people enjoying a day out or a meal or coffee from the small cafes that trade off of the foot traffic? or does their right to earn a living stop existing whenever a hundred vagrants take over a space and drive the customers away? does the majority's right to public places dissapear? I say it does not.
@LibCon00 Dont be foolish. This is a demonstration borne out of frustration because the system is unjust. You speak as if it is just thugs and hooligans, aimlessly gathering around just to shit all over the place.
When there is social unrest, you better fucking pay attention. The important thing is not that people protest and disturb the order, it is WHY they protest.
@DrakeIcn ignoring my questions yet again. do they have a right to violate the rights of access and enjoyment of public spaces of the majority? 100-300 campers, 4 million melburnians in the greater Melbourne area, the 100-300 have more rights to the square than the 4 million majority? the march to the TG, 1000 people max, the numbers of their "99%" dont stack up do they
@LibCon00 Yes, they have the moral right to protest. I do not remember denying that, but perhaps I did. Regardless, they do have the moral right to protest. Technically, perhaps the police can come and take them away, but technically the police can also fine you for jaywalking. The police must choice when to apply the law and when not, because there simple is not enough manpower and because you piss people off by being overzealous. This would be one such instance. Now shut up and sit down.
@DrakeIcn nope. you are joining with them in trying to muddy the issue, the right to protest was not the issue, the living on city property for a week was the issue, the right to protest or free assembly was not infringed, there was a march to trades hall then a rally there the same day as the eviction that the police didn't stop or impede. there's no right to commandeer a public place and live on it , there's no moral right to be a squatter, nor a legal one
@DrakeIcn and also this is my city as well as there's, just as it's the other 4 million people's city, these guys don't have a "moral right" to ruin the enjoyment and impede the use of a public place by the vast majority. And you keep dodging me on whether a tiny majority has more rights to use public space than the vast majority by saying "they have a right to protest" so tiny interest groups get priority over the majority of citizens, that's pretty hypocritical of the so called 99%
@LibCon00 Well, this "tiny" interest group have 47% approval ratings - and I am guessing that out of the 53% who do not approve of them, a significant fraction still agree with their right to protest.
Speaking of which, how do you feel about democracy?
@DrakeIcn ummm no they don't mate... OM has no "approval ratings" where did you get these supposed statistics you live in Sweden you have no idea whats going on here, is there no occupy sweden? If there is concern yourself with that not with a foreign city thousands of kilometres away, you are tragically misinformed about the events in melbourne, at it's height it was 200 people, swelling to 300 at a march later on, biggest group was about 600 not the "thousands" OM claims (I was there I saw)
I come from Melbourne and the police sadly took it to far. The only reason that everyone got kicked out was because the queen of England was coming to the city. Even though the government said it had nothing to do with it that is the truth. Hopefully soon the rest of the world will catch up to the 1% and the world will be an better place for all.
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Where are all the dedicated protestors with their strong, never swaying views and opinions now? Surely they must still be camped and protesting in the city and standing up for their beliefs? What's that, oh they've gone. Fairweather fools.
bazwaa007 5 days ago
bash them? are you serious
MrDmchr 2 weeks ago
come on everyone we dont want an economy like the usa
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can i just add that the police did ask them to leave and they did not, the only reason the police did what they did is because they were sleeping there and they did not want that. the police said they could be there during the day but not at night and they would not leave. yes how they got them to leave in the end was NOT good, but how else could they get them to move??
australian1000 2 weeks ago
@australian1000 Indeed, but that looked like ROMPER STOMPER-type brutality!
vascreenwriter 2 weeks ago
i lived in melbourne for 12 years, the cops there are hard-arses, they cant discriminate as part of their job because there are so many dickheads crowding out that shitty town.
vargbolt 3 weeks ago
Or a kebab?
bazwaa007 3 weeks ago
unbelievable bahaviour, what will happen if their was a mother with a pram? or a baby in her arms?
TheLeboAussie 3 weeks ago
terrible seeing this in my home city. There needs to be a balance between peaceful protest and protecting the public interest without resorting to violence.
4duff5 1 month ago
I was there and know what happened and why it happened so I'm pretty fucking qualified to comment on how it all unfolded. I'll never be dragged by police for any reason so that's a mute point. I'm know halfwit either, don't let the long fool you.
bazwaa007 1 month ago
the comments on this make me embarassed to be an australian
TheKeato93 1 month ago
Round house!
LinKueiOokami 1 month ago
@grandstrom1, too many retards have missed that point completely. It's actually a fairly basic concept. The simple fact of the matter is this footage and what took place in Melbourne was NOT police brutality. The vast majority of Victorians support our police and have no issues with them.
bazwaa007 1 month ago
its not excessive force, when an authoritive figure tells you to move, you better move or you WILL be moved. end of story.
GRANDSTROM1 1 month ago
thumbs up on these police removing these lazy hippies. lol 400 protestors? don't think thats even .01% of us. get a job f morons
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Ussnoss 1 month ago
I can assure you I know Victorian law better then you. I'd bet my house on it.
bazwaa007 2 months ago
>they had a right to be there
Yea, no, I don't think you understand Australian law.
snozzcumbers 2 months ago
Freedom of speech was and is never a problem in Australia. It's the dickheads who don't do what they are told that cause the problems.
bazwaa007 2 months ago
this is crazy. So much for freedom of speech
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Police did use force yes and so they should. The argument here is about people saying it's brutality etc etc. It isn't even close. Police were entitled to use the force they deemed necessary in the circumstances and it needs to be more then the protesters use or there'd just be a stalemate.
bazwaa007 2 months ago
Treating the protesters in what way? Why do you think this is police brutality? Seriously, some of you need to harden up.
bazwaa007 2 months ago
@bazwaa007 "You need to harden up" a really 'mature' comment, tough guy i suppose if somebody was dragging you along the ground you'd just take like a man- you might not agree with the protestors and think they have no legal right to protest there (it's likely that they don't) but it isn't license for the police to charge in and start 'breaking heads' - in situation like that it is the responsiblity of the police to conduct themselves in a manner befitting their station as figures of authority
TheKeato93 1 month ago
The Australian constitution does not have a freedom of speech thing in it the same as the one on the US. Americans have an annoying habit of applying their own context to other peoples of the world.
kathyofrin 2 months ago
@kathyofrin Who cares about freedom of speech. Shouldnt the police have an obligation to treat people with a sense of dignity and respect? this was a complete abuse of power and their orders arent coming from australian interests. But i guess we're all just descendants of British convicts anyways, so i guess we are british property...
jdogsful 2 months ago
@jdogsful British property? that's a bit out of the blue.
I agree, their orders are not coming from Australian interests, but my point is that in Australia we do not have the same protections of our right to protest as they have in the US. These cops are using the lack of freedom of speech laws as an excuse for treating the protesters in this way. Thus, we as citizens should be focusing on remedying that.
kathyofrin 2 months ago
the fact is that these protesters are breaking the law - occupying the square is breaking the law. 1 count each per protester of Disturbance of the peach adn crating a public nuissance.
The police were enforcing the law and when the protesters were asked to leave and failed to comply with the police instructions. add 1 count per protester of failing to comply with an polic officer's instructions.
patricktiley 2 months ago
Therefore each protester has broken the law and the police have the DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to arrest each and every protester and charge them all with disturbance of the peace, creating a public nuissance and failing to comply with police directions. all in all a win for society by holding them responsible for breaking the law.
patricktiley 2 months ago
@patricktiley if we didnt have protesters all around the world fighting for our rights most people, like yourself would not even notice the injustices or our current hierarchy and corporate dictatorship. These protesters are peaceful. The police using force on young adult and women IS THE TRUE DISTURBANCE OF PEACE. They are payed bullies that have no sense of personal liberties and are oblivious to the meaning of freedom. Much like yourself, i imagine.
jdogsful 2 months ago
If you think that's abuse you need to toughen up princess. It's hardly offensive. I've had things to say here and elsewhere and like you I'm entitled to my opinion. My gripe is the fact this clip and others like it were alleging police brutality but the comments have all be hijacked by wanna-be intellects. This footage is far from brutal.
bazwaa007 2 months ago
@86bushy, can any of you knobs come up with something original or do you all have a quote book and quick guide to cliches with you at all times? Pls do not protest on my behalf, you can jam it up your jacksy.
bazwaa007 3 months ago
@bazwaa007 fair enough, I borrowed a quote I heard recently. Is that all u have to say? If u still have more pointless abuse, please continue! get it out of your system!
oh, by the way, nice abuse, real original : jam it up your jacksy
86bushy 2 months ago
It was over a thousand guys.
Ohloveeh 3 months ago
Occupy your own couches and fuck off.
bazwaa007 3 months ago
Occupy SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA anyone...?????
melodypops2010 3 months ago
I would like to point out here that in Australia for the most part, police brutality and misconduct are investigated by.... the police 0.0
Corinna Horvath is having to go before the UN Human Rights council to have her case against Victorian police heard for her brutal mistaken for assault.
The police that assaulted and abused her are still working as police.
daymyth 3 months ago
Give it to 'em badpanda.
bazwaa007 3 months ago
The police used no riot gear , no batton and no tear gas..
( well ok maybe a few had riot gear -- but the majority of them didnt)
How hypocritical for American to claim excessive force..
didnt the American police officer used tear gas and batton -
badpanda84 3 months ago
Spot on leroyBN, so many comments by people not even in our city who don't know a thing about this protest. The police did a good job, acted fairly and patiently until they needed to move people physically. Protesters are not exempt from the law and need to do what they are told when they are told by police. Most people understand that.
bazwaa007 3 months ago
Who the hell are these 2?? Who are they to pass judgement from 20,000 km's away? They were not in Melbourne that day. I was.
The police did not bash anyone as Steve Oh said. The protesters were illegally occupying an area of Melbourne. They were asked to moved several times. They were trespassing and removed. They had the option to move on, they did not take it. They were removed. The protesters hindered and resisted police.
leroyBN 3 months ago
Police in Australia don't use mace. Someone help me I'm surrounded by halfwits.
bazwaa007 3 months ago
@sadohenker I'm not quite sure what your point is...the police have been bashing people everywhere, I know this.
I had to drive my two friends to the hospital, one had turned green and was vomiting all over the back seat because she had been mace sprayed in the mouth, my other friend had his face kicked in when he bent to help someone up. There is no way I'm on the side of the police if that's what you're assuming.
Madsenband88 3 months ago
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bazwaa007 3 months ago
Finally some good statements made in the media that include:
"They've been cluttering up public space with unhygienic detritus for almost two weeks. Enough is enough."
Loved NYC Mayors comment "Protesters have had two months to occupy the park with tents and sleeping bags. Now they will have to occupy the space with the power if their arguments".
I doubt Occupy Melbourne can achieve anything with their argument so it's no wonder they're upset about having their camp cleaned up. Go home and h
bazwaa007 3 months ago
@bazwaa007 "Protesters have had two months to occupy the park with tents and sleeping bags. Now they will have to occupy the space with the power of their arguments".
Thumbs up -- I fully agree with the Mayors comment --
badpanda84 3 months ago
So stupid cunts are gone...yayyyyyyyyyyyy
JollyMunkie 3 months ago
Who is paying for the damage. "When you're putting the damage on, you're just o pretty...."
JollyMunkie 3 months ago
@Shaunhification Pretty sure the r is slightly included...
Oh wait, your probably from Frankston. Never mind, carry on.
daymyth 3 months ago
Well said Steve Oh
daymyth 3 months ago
@Shaunhification its pronounced melberne
daymyth 3 months ago
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This was footage, comments and thread about police and protesters and the moronic idea of it being police brutality. With all the diatribe being spewed out now it's been hijacked by wannabe intellects trying to outwit one another.
bazwaa007 3 months ago
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I have an opinion about this video that is entirely in the left field outside the parameters of you politically retarded, modern-media-hypnotized sheeple pissant's limited knowledge; I'd love to share it with you if I didn't consider you all to be insects and farm animals that were totally unworthy of reading, thinking, and replying with intelligence to my comment, so, unfortunately ... I cannot share it with you :(
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
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Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
So easily baited, hook line & sinker. Your not even an Aussie so why trawl our comments mate? By the way, your village just called, they want their idiot back and wondered where you'd got to.....
bazwaa007 3 months ago
CORRECTION: YOU ARE A CLUELESS BRAINDEAD AUTHORITARIAN RETARD. IT WOULD BEHOOVE YOU TO GO OVER HISTORY AND TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO AUTHORITARIANS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD YOU CLUELESS BRAINDEAD RETARDED COP COCK-SUCKING JACKASS.
UltraCybertronian 3 months ago
WHAT ARE YOU? YOU ARE EITHER A RETARD COMMITTED TO AN INSTITUTION, KEPT AND SHELTERED WELL BY MOMMY AND DADDY AS THE FAMILY PET, OR A HILLBILLY AT THE BACKDOORS OF AMERICA PROTECTED AND SAFE MILES AWAY FROM CIVILIZATION LIKE AN ENCINO MAN. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU ARE A CLUELESS BRAINDEAD RETARD.
UltraCybertronian 3 months ago
Said by a fuckwit who's no doubt been in trouble with police. Moron.
bazwaa007 3 months ago
KEEP SUCKING THE BIG COCK STICKS OF THE POLICE WHILE ANOTHER COP PENETRATES HIS NIGHTSTICK INTO YOUR STINKY ASS YOU BRAINDEAD LITTLE FAGGOT.
UltraCybertronian 3 months ago
POLICE ARE REAL PARASITIC MAGGOT SCUMBAGS NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY IT IS..
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fukn bums, get a fukn job and get on with it you losers. The cops were not hard enough on you dead set losers
fenkent 3 months ago
Well you answered your own question. Yes the police do have the right to tell them to move you fucking moron. So many wankers talking about democratic rights, well you cant have it both ways. If it's covered in legislation, council bi-laws, the Crimes Act or any other state or Commonwealth law then police do have the right. Let's hope tools like you continue to protest so you get your just desserts.
bazwaa007 3 months ago
@ bazwaa007: you my friend are the complete fool! Who says they have no right to be there? the police? and who the fuck gave the police the right to tell people what land they can stand on. Why should any person have the right over someone else to tell them what they can do, especially when they are peaceful about it. You may not think the world is in a shit situation right now, because you obviously have your sunglasses on, but just wait a few more years down the line!
86bushy 3 months ago
@86bushy you wont even be able to take a shit without the plice telling you when u can use the toilet, and how many pieces of paper u can use to wipe ur ass. open ur eyes to the rising! people need to connect with each other again, instead of filling their lives with bullshit that you get brainwashed with without even knowing it most of the time!
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open my eyes to what "rising"? enlighten me bushy. what bullshit have i been brainwashed with? it seems that everyone of these f%^Kwit protesters is angry and pissy about something completely different to the next angry pissy protesting f&*kwit. you are pissed off for the sake of being pissed off, protesting for the sake of protesting. is this about corporate greed? or is this about getting a reaction from the police and getting attention that you dont get from mum and dad anymore?
largeno28 3 months ago
@largeno28 the three stages of truth: 1)ridicule, 2) violent opposition, 3) acceptance It seems like you are pissed off that people are standing up for something they believe in, and that it does not gel in with your cosy life. I think it is more a situation that your parents never gave you any attention and now you think it is unfair that this is gaining worldwide attention!
86bushy 3 months ago
@86bushy
that doesn't answer my questions? believe me i am as progressive as the next person, and this movement serves no purpose. it's pointless anger venting aimed right at the system. the original purpose of the protest has been lost and forgotten OR these pissed off people have been trying to upset the police off from the moment that they gained widespread attention
wwwDOTheraldsunDOTcomDOTau/news/more-news/occupy-melbourne-disrupts-city-shoppers/story-fn7x8me2-1226196005538 what the fuck!
largeno28 2 months ago
@largeno28 is this about corporate greed or getting a reaction from the police? is that ur question? im not sure which one and i dont think it there is enough space for all the questions. I personally dont take part in activism for getting a reaction from the police, but it is interesting how the police react to people voicing their opinions when it does not conform. do u not think there is a problem when millions of people around the world are standing up and reacting against a corrupt system(s
86bushy 2 months ago
@largeno28 i think freedom of speech seems to be a massive illusion too. We have been given the freedom of speech!?! ha thats bullshit! i do not agree with violence from either side, and when u really look at whats happening, where is the main source of violence coming from?
86bushy 2 months ago
@86bushy yeah why should there be anyone with a right to tell you anything ever! so then if I come camp on your nature strip or front yard you'll not call the police if I'm peaceful right?
LibCon00 3 months ago
@86bushy "Who says they have no right to be there? the police?"
Well techincally the concil -- and the concil only do that in response to complains from local business
that complain the protestors are scaring away business and obstructing traffic..
badpanda84 3 months ago
@badpanda84 This is the dilemma, the protesters can't infringe on my liberties and I shouldn't infringe on theirs. So we should work something out, where they can enjoy their right to freedom of speech and protest and I can get my coffee in the morning.
We should not be pepper spraying them and running them over with horses.
daymyth 3 months ago
@daymyth "So we should work something out, where they can enjoy their right to freedom of speech and protest and I can get my coffee in the morning."
But that is the problem -- these protetors are not intersted in "working something out"
You could say the police are defending the rights of the non-protestors to go about there business in peace.
Besides the police did allow them to protest for 7 days -- so they had plenty of time to maket there point
badpanda84 3 months ago
@badpanda84 Well I found the protesters to be very clean and peaceful and non-disruptive. Sure I had to walk around to get to Bernettis, but that wasn't a big deal to protect their right to freedom of speach. The place only started to fall into disrepute when police cadged in the protesters (not sure how that makes sense 0.0).
As long as there is no health risk, or safety risk, your inconvenience is irrelevant when it comes to freedom of speech. Freedom> Inconvenience
daymyth 3 months ago
@daymyth "your inconvenience is irrelevant when it comes to freedom of speech. Freedom> Inconvenience"
That is merely your opinion. But if I was a businees in the surrounding area and was lossing money as a result of these protest ( as many businesses claim) I would want to be compensated for that.
badpanda84 3 months ago
@badpanda84 Wait so you think convenience is more important than freedom?
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." — Benjamin Franklin
daymyth 3 months ago
@daymyth Lol but this is Melbourne -- so no one in Australia give a shit what Benjamin Franklin says.
Also in Australia we dont have a bill of rights -- unlike the AMericans
badpanda84 3 months ago
@badpanda84 Wow.... that is just... you just don't get it do you. The quote isn't a quote citing law, I'm fairly certain it's from his personal writings, it's about the idea of what that statement means. Trading freedom for comfort is not a good idea, as eventually you end up loosing both.
Marcus Aurelius is a Roman Emperor who died many centuries ago, Epicurus and Mikhail Bakunin are Greek and Russian respectively, people still "give a shit" about what they said.
daymyth 3 months ago
@badpanda84 I understand that being a bouncer may not be the most intellectually stimulating of professions but that's no excuse for being an ingrate. I can't believe you don't understand why the words of people of the past can still be important in our lives today... Sigh, I mean I understood from your replies that you were your generic run of the mill proletarian, but now this is just sad.
"this is Melbourne -- so no one in Australia give a shit what Benjamin Franklin says" sigh...
daymyth 3 months ago
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@daymyth " I can't believe you don't understand why the words of people of the past can still be important in our lives today"
But that was a diffrenent context -- and we dont even fact the same problems as the US -- the only reason there is even a protest in Melbourne is because the American did it.
We are just a bunch of copy cats
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@daymyth " So we should work something out, where they can enjoy their right to freedom of speech and protest and I can get my coffee in the morning."
What did you have in mind exactly--
badpanda84 3 months ago
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT. media is a joke
TheRebekahruth 4 months ago
BAM... Give it to them Libcon, I like your thinking. Your thoughts are more in keeping with the rest of Melbourne. Most of the fools on these comments aren't even locals.
bazwaa007 4 months ago
@bazwaa007 I know! apparently the events in a foreign city thousands of kilometres away are incredibly important to them!
LibCon00 3 months ago
I love watching police brutalise hippies. Good work cops.
spacecowmoomoo 4 months ago
Police did not assault people for exercising their freedom of speech at all you fool. People were physically removed because they refused to do what they were told. They had no right to be where they were and no right to remain there. In order for police to move them, it's common sense to think they need to use more force then the protesters otherwise you end up with a stalemate. I'll never ever be mistreated by a cop as I wouldn't put myself in a situation where I was ignoring clear instructi
bazwaa007 4 months ago
Most of the protesters were shit stirrers trying to fire the cops up. They were given plenty of warning to leave and refused. They did not listen and obey instructions by police so they got what they deserved. How dare they say they speak on my behalf, bloody wankers. Im actually glad my tax money is helping pay for the coppers who have to go to work and put up with that shit. Get out of our great city and bugger off elsewhere.
bazwaa007 4 months ago
@bazwaa007 here here! Loving your views mate, glad there's a few Melburnians who are game enough to call it like it is. And your exactly right they had officially from 7am-9am to move off and when they didn't the police waited until 1pm, a whole SIX HOURS
LibCon00 3 months ago
just shows how clueless these people are on the matter can't even believe this stuff is televised
andosprimos 4 months ago
why are people marching with red flags? communism?
communism has killed over 80 million people. surely they arent marching for communism?
OzWeather1 4 months ago
@OzWeather1 its more likely than you'd think! hahah. but yeah I saw a few Che t shirts and Mao's face on some bags and badges, more than a few red flags waving too
LibCon00 3 months ago
More proof that the people of the world are being oppressed by their governments in every nation.
tph2010 4 months ago
Aussie Aussie Aussie!
tph2010 4 months ago
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ILockItDown 4 months ago
ok um 1:02 did he really tell the girl "stop being silly" shes obviously terrified GOD!
HeartlessArchAngel69 4 months ago
one sided morons = TYT
blvsm 4 months ago
Ill be honest. I support the"occupy XXXX" movements core principle of better wealth distribution and standards of living and capitalistic reform.
However from what I saw with my own eyes. is thath the majority of protestors there were, a) fringe conspiracy wackos or b) the shit-stiring arm of the local communist "party".
Both those groups were hijacking this for their own gains, just as the anti-captialist did with the environmental movement in the 60's.
TheFluffyDuck 4 months ago
@TheFluffyDuck (a) what is this? (b) how would they fit the description of communist? (c) what would you do if I pissed in your face, Conservativefuckwit McGee?
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
@Fudgaboutit Conservativefuckwit McGee? hahaha no!
TheFluffyDuck 3 months ago
@TheFluffyDuck hahaha yes. Answer the fucking question. You seem to have no idea what the weight of those ignorant remarks are, and what they make you look like.
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
@Fudgaboutit Ive learnt a long time ago to not feed the trolls. But becasue u have already shown a wonderful command of the queens english and flare for incorrect assumptions I will entertain your questions?
a) People who use the word "sheeple" alot because we just dont buy that bankers are NWO lizard men from outer-space. b) "socialist alternative" are a well known minor party in australia. c) rip your dick off
Oh yes and to correct your assumption. I am the antithesis of conservative u twat
TheFluffyDuck 3 months ago
@TheFluffyDuck World banks are the most powerful organizations in the world, and they do control the world. Governments are fronts used to legislate corporations so that they can operate within the law. There are secret organizations like the Bilderberg Group which do control world affairs. The New World Order is a real problem. These are not conspiracies theories, my pig-ignorant friend. GET INFORMED. "Sheeple" is a cliched insult, but god damn if it is apt. So I use it.
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
@TheFluffyDuck The media barely has to put any effort to balk at unconventional opinions which actually expose the truth. All they need is dipshits like you who are cozy in their positions in life to afford to turn a blind eye to the truth, and balk at any info that's counter to what the lies your force-fed on a daily basis. Somebody who's in possession of this info are not "fringe-conspiracy-wackos" YOU MINDLESS APE. I cannot tell you how much I loathe people like you.
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
At a time like this - when our world is facing crisis' and injustices on an epic scale - I can't tell you how abhorrent it is to hear this shamefully ignorant shit. It REALLY DOES make me want to completely turn my back on humanity. It is unimaginable to me that someone could be this stupid. You don't "BUY." You just don't "buy." WELL BUY IT, COCKSUCKER. "Lizard-men-from-outer-space." What the fuck is this shit? No retard - not space lizards - just people. Very rich, and very real people.
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
@TheFluffyDuck Lastly, I can see you were afraid I was going to make a fool out of you, and so instead of having to defend your ignorant statements, you hid behind the bullshit excuse that you don't have to bother justifying yourself to a "troll," and furthermore, a "troll" who doesn't use yuppie speech. Nice. You're a weaselly coward, and ignoramus, and also a shameless liar to top it off. Those are some upstanding traits you have there. I very much doubt you have the balls to rip my dick off.
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
@TheFluffyDuck See? You were afraid for nothing. That wasn't so bad, was it? I didn't even really go in depth. All I did was tell you that you were wrong, and hurled insults (attributed apt words to your sub-humanity) at you. See - im not a troll - I just don't play nice with people like you, and I'd rather not try to enlighten you. Some of my peers try to. I honor them. But I do not BOTHER. You sure as hell don't sound like the antithesis to conservatism. You could be on Fox News.
Fudgaboutit 3 months ago
kill the fucking bastards stupid fucking cunts
dannyjacobs88 4 months ago
Where does money come from? Can any body answer me that.
Money is the root of all evil, truer word have never been said. In specific it's who creates the money who is evil.
Money isn't printed based on how much gold there is you fools!
samprimmer1 4 months ago
You are all so misinformed and protesting the wrong thing. Search "Federal Reserve Bank & Money Mechanics" on YouTube. Why do you think the Middle East hate's the USA? It's as clear as fricken day. You people need to brush up on your analytical skills.
samprimmer1 4 months ago
1. It's pronounced "Mel-bun".
2. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, THAT'S MY CITY! SHIT JUST GOT REAL!!!1. Time to get my ass into gear, start attending some protests and write some strongly worded letters to my local Member of Parliament.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
Get over it lefties, there will always be a human food chain. It exists in every other animal species, what makes you think we humans won't abide by the same rules of nature? Don't give me the "we are human, not animals" shit; otherwise you belong in the loony bin with the creationist Christians. We are animals, there will always be an Alpha and a Delta. Stop resisting, just get used to it and find your place in the game.
DrKarakuchi 4 months ago
While I don't love a lot of the cops around at the moment. The police were well within their rights to be dragging people like this if they're resisting arrest or resisting to move. Don't want to be dragged along the ground by your legs? Stand up and cooperate in the first place. The whole 99% deal in Australia is completely redundant. We are one of the luckiest and well off countries in the world right now. GTF over yourselves.
welovejak 4 months ago 2
@welovejak Just because income disparity in Australia is not as bad as in the United States does not mean that our economic and political system are hunky dory. Stop being so apathetic.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil Sure our Politicians lack flare and integrity at the moment, and the system could be better - I still stand by the fact that we have it very good here in Australia and I really dislike people being so ungrateful for that. I'm not being apathetic in the slightest. I do in fact agree with a lot of the points being protested. I just don't agree with the way they've gone about it, and the way everyone is acting like the average australian lives in poverty and the rich are evil.
welovejak 4 months ago
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@welovejak "- I still stand by the fact that we have it very good here in Australia and I really dislike people being so ungrateful for that."--On what basis do you conclude anyone is ungrateful? Your comment infers that protesting alone makes one ungrateful.
"I just don't agree with the way they've gone about it, "--They protested against what they see as inequality and unfair circumstances. What part of this do you not agree with?
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil I'm talking about the way they're behaving in this video (like idiots). But I'm saying that 1. There's no clear point these people are protesting, they're all protesting different things, it's a protest that has been copy and pasted from a society with main issues which differ from our own. 2. The main demographic of these protesters are students who should be studying for exams so they can get the education provided to them by the government so they can have a good life.
welovejak 4 months ago
@welovejak You are making presumptions about the opinions of individuals who you've never spoken to or heard from. Nothing you have said is supported by evidence and your willingness so dismiss the objections of people you clearly don't understand only serves to demonstrate either a lack of concern about the issue, or an intent to silence dissent Don't bother replying unless you have you can demonstrate any of your claims with actual evidence.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil /watch?v=tZX8ALRI30o enough said
welovejak 4 months ago
@welovejak That video is a handful of people giving reasons for their involvement in the Occupy movement. Those reasons were all centred of corporate greed. "Enough said"? So you're for corporate greed? You're for unregulated free markets with zero accountability and oversight? If so, perhaps you should take your Ayn Rand book and move somewhere that has no government, because that is the only form of pure capitalism.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil welovejak was right,
i live in melbourne and this protest has been extremely disorganised, i've counted at least 8 different agenda's being protested by different groups.
greed is simply the way western economies work, its just up to the government to provide laws that put this greed to good use.
how can you expect to have a good CEO working for your company, if you pay him/her the same wage as a junior member?
ignorant protestors dont understand business finance
magnum13th 4 months ago
@magnum13th "protest has been extremely disorganised"--Your point?
"i've counted at least 8 different agenda's being protested by different groups."--Yes, the economy is complicated and not every has the same concerns.
"greed is simply the way western economies work"--It's the way the world works. Doesn't mean we should let it turn so shit by not regulating those who would seek to take advantage of others.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil regulate how?
so far, i havent seen any clear goals as to what this protest in melbourne is even trying to achieve. =/
i mean im all for ending these ridiculous parachute packages of ceo's in america on wall street, but we're not really experiencing the same issues hear in australia.
without organisation, without goals, and with SO many different agendas..
i can't see 'occupy melbourne' achieving anything. the protestors dont even know exactly what they want to achieve
magnum13th 4 months ago
@magnum13th "regulate how?"--The national economy is a large thing which comprises of many industries. It should go without saying that there is no national financial panacea, you need to evaluate each situation on its individual merits.
" i havent seen any clear goals as to what this protest in melbourne is even trying to achieve. =/"--Of course you haven't. Occupy isn't a large political party with all the same talking pooints. Everyone has their own individual objections.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
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@magnum13th Just because on protester doesn't hold exactly the same views as the next, that is not an excuse to dismiss them all.
"i mean im all for ending these ridiculous parachute packages "--Good.
"but we're not really experiencing the same issues hear in australia"--We have our own issues.
You again emphasise the variety of goals as if this is a bad thing. Would you prefer all the protestors formed a singe large party and demanded comformity?
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@magnum13th "the protestors dont even know exactly what they want to achieve"--Which protestors have you spoken to or heard from to arrive at this conclusion? Furthermore, even if someone doesn't have a perfect solution for a given problem, does that mean they aren't right in highlighting that problem?
Look at the poverty among Australian Aborigines, I can see that is a problem, even if I dont have a solution.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@magnum13th Quite honestly this is perhaps what disappoints me the me most about Australian culture. The "she'll be right" attitude of attitude of apathy and wishful thinking. We're very lucky to live in this country and not any others that are experiencing poverty, warfare and extreme oppression. Sitting on our increasingly fat asses watching the footy and drinking cheap beer is only going to result in erosion of our civil liberties and financial freedom.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil mate, so the slogan is 'end corporate greed'? how? can u tell me? otherwise, all you ppl need to stop taking the easy way out of complaining about something but not backing it up with actions.
just wow. it is SO EASY to go and protest and feel self-righteous, how can change occur when they don't even know what they want to change?? as good as intentions might be, it is pointless and moronic.
a fundingraising bbq wouldve been more helpful to the '99%'.
ffs so many high horses
magnum13th 4 months ago
@magnum13th "so the slogan is 'end corporate greed'?"--If you had actually read my previous comments I explained that there is no universal complaint common to all protesters. If you describe a specific issue, I will give my my thoughts. Otherwise, stop asking 'lolz what is your super duper special solution to all economic problems?
If you are so content with deluding yourself that corporations are all-benevolent, I suggest you go back to your news limited owned media.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil lol oh my god.
well if i see posters everywhere with "end corporate greed, occupy melbourne" written on them, i guess i am (and many people are) going to assume they're the themes of the protest????
i don't think corporations are perfect, but i dont see how this protest helps the situation, in any way.
not only does this protest obviously not offer a "super duper special solution to all economic problems", it offers NO solutions. i've been to the protest and discovered this.
magnum13th 4 months ago
@magnum13th "well if i see posters everywhere"--That may be a major theme for many, but don't assume everything has the same objections. What's more, 'corporate greed' can manifest itself to the detriment of society in many ways, opinions are obviously going to differ.
Now that you've posted a dozen comments saying 'lol i duno wut theyr protesting they must b st00pid' maybe you'd like to make another wisecrack about all protestors being druggo commie nazi socialists...
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil lol u actually paraphrased me well. in the end, i think i have a right to be pissed off that thousands of taxpayer dollars were WASTED in getting hundreds of police to forcibly remove ppl (because of complaints from the public) who refused to leave a public space they were camping on (illegal). when these ppl were just 'raising awareness', a goal arguably already achieved after spending a week in the centre of one of the busiest locations in melbourne. thats why im annoyed.
magnum13th 4 months ago
@magnum13th You're proud of the Police for physically assaulting people for exercising their freedom of speech, are you?
" 'raising awareness'--Parentheses? I guess you're right, they didn't pick the CBD to protest, they picked it to camp cos they thought it would make a good place to spot Yeti hurrrr.
" arguably already achieved"--Yes, just like O'Reilly claims the US is 'not racist'.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@magnum13th If you're concerned about wasting tax dollars, complain about how we give millions to wealthy RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS that INDOCTRINATE kids at a young age (a form of (government sponsored) sponsored) child abuse) while our public schools stagnate.
Or maybe why we keep giving money to private sporting businesses to build multi million dollar sporting stadiums while our farmers struggle to survive and most of the country has 10 year old broadband infrastructure.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@magnum13th "how can you expect to have a good CEO working for your company, if you pay him/her the same wage as a junior member?"--I don't.
"ignorant protestors dont understand business finance"--Keep the ad hominem's coming. They do a wonderful job of illustrating your case.
Yes, your drug reference is a generalisation, and an inaccurate one at that. Speaking of drugs, ask the US how their 'war on drugs' is working out for them. Ask the dead mexican civilians massacred by local warlords.
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil and while this is being extremely generalising, also a decent amount of these protestors (ppl i personally know) would do well to start working for 'equality' by not supporting an industry that destroys ppl's lives and funds criminal activity (the drug industry)
magnum13th 4 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil no he's right actually. I spent three days visiting the city square camp, and I got the real sense that aside from their "general assemblies" that this was a group where there was no core message or specific grievances, it was very much bring-your-own-grievance, and some idiot was loudly carrying on about "greenbacks and fed res notes" and "the federal reserve in Australia" that guy with the silver coin telling us to put our money in silver if you saw him
LibCon00 3 months ago
@LibCon00 "this was a group where there was no core message or specific grievances"--As I've said multiple times, protestors are not part of a singular hivemind, their opinions may vary. Yet you continue to speak of this as if it is a bad thing, despite the lack of any reason to make such a conclusion.
And really? not a single person could specify a grievance? Perhaps if u paid more attention to the majority of the protestors and less to the occasional crazy hippy you would be better informed
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil "As I've said multiple times, protestors are not part of a singular hivemind, their opinions may vary"
That is true and also the reason why the OWS protest wont work.
A protest with no core message or specific grievances is not going to work. -- this is because there is no aim or objective -- merely hundred of people screaming whatever there grivances are.
badpanda84 3 months ago
@badpanda84 "A protest with no core message or specific grievances is not going to work."--Please spend a few minutes researching what the Occupy movement is actually about before making such ignorant comments. Are you not aware of the consunsus format utilised in many Occupy protests? Are u not aware of the core grievances that you claim do not exist, but which are shared by most, such as being for limiting donations to politicians, removing corporate personhood and ending taxpayer bailouts?
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil " Are u not aware of the core grievances that you claim do not exist, but which are shared by most, such as being for limiting donations to politicians, removing corporate personhood and ending taxpayer bailouts?"
In Australia at least -- I never heard any protestors bring up any of those issuses.. -- the issuse of taxpayer bailouts might be an issuse on wallstreet -- but remember Australis was hardly affected by teh GFC
badpanda84 3 months ago
@badpanda84 But Australia still has similar problems where CEO payouts are ridiculously high, Was it Blue Scope steel that announced a few weeks ago billion dollar losses and huge job cuts but the CEO still walks away with millions of dollars of company money?
Also is there anything wrong with showing shared solidarity for your fellow human across the globe in another country? We march for the people of Tibet, we can march for the people of America.
daymyth 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil You hit the nail on the head -- this is exactly why the protestors are doomed to fail
"Perhaps if u paid more attention to the majority of the protestors and less to the occasional crazy hippy "
LOL the majority of the protestors are crazy hippys -- that is the problem..
A protest without any organsation or core message might as well be just 100 idiot yelling and screaming nonsense in the street..
badpanda84 3 months ago
@badpanda84 "LOL the majority of the protestors are crazy hippys -- that is the problem.."--HAHAHAHAHA GO FUCK YOURSELF. Watch more fox news. Next anyone in favour of any form of regulation is a communist socialist pinko nazi.
Grow the fuck up. Your blatant misrepresentation of reailty (despite being corrected) clearly demosntrates you're either a troll or an idiot.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@SupermarketsRevil He's probably Australian, you should say "listen to 3AW" or "watch Today Tonight/ACA" or "read the Herald Sun"
They are our equivalents.
daymyth 3 months ago
@daymyth Yup, all the same propoganda by the same fascist.
SupermarketsRevil 3 months ago
@welovejak "and the way everyone is acting like the average australian lives in poverty and the rich are evil"--Who is acting like this? How do you determine what someones opinions are without talking to them?
Again, just because many someone complains, that doesn't mean they hate their country & don't appreciate any of their nation's good points. It means they are trying to make their nation even better.
I fail to see why you're making all these presumptions when you have no grounds to do so
SupermarketsRevil 4 months ago
WE NEED A BANK OF THE 99% TAKE THE MONEY AWAY FROM THEM
MR1QUEST 4 months ago
Now imagine if they had done this to some teabagger grandpa in his teabag hat.... can you even begin to imagine the 24 hour outrage Fox would be spewing.
Xenite227 4 months ago 6
yei hope the police all over the world do the same ...these sleze lazy cunts ...fucking dont know wtf they are yelling...i challange ANY OF THOSE TO PROOVE THAT CAPITALISM IS THE CAUSE AND COMUNISM IS THE SOLUTION COMUNISM KILLED 230 000 000 AND USA KILLED 1.200 000 SINCE ITS DISCOVERY
AND COMUNISM SINCE FRENH REVOLLUTION IDIOTS
fvlr 4 months ago
ROFL You would think you guys would at least look on wikipedia to make sure you have the pronunciation correct.
But it made me laugh every time you said it
GloomFate 4 months ago
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Criminal Government
and
Criminal Bankers
DeadJesus100 4 months ago
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REVOLUTION MATES
ITS TIME
DeadJesus100 4 months ago
@DrakeIcn So the government has to provide facilities for squatters in a public space? which they are denying the vast majority of melburnians the enjoyment of? its usually packed with people enjoying a day out or a meal or coffee from the small cafes that trade off of the foot traffic? or does their right to earn a living stop existing whenever a hundred vagrants take over a space and drive the customers away? does the majority's right to public places dissapear? I say it does not.
LibCon00 4 months ago
@LibCon00 Dont be foolish. This is a demonstration borne out of frustration because the system is unjust. You speak as if it is just thugs and hooligans, aimlessly gathering around just to shit all over the place.
When there is social unrest, you better fucking pay attention. The important thing is not that people protest and disturb the order, it is WHY they protest.
DrakeIcn 4 months ago
@DrakeIcn ignoring my questions yet again. do they have a right to violate the rights of access and enjoyment of public spaces of the majority? 100-300 campers, 4 million melburnians in the greater Melbourne area, the 100-300 have more rights to the square than the 4 million majority? the march to the TG, 1000 people max, the numbers of their "99%" dont stack up do they
LibCon00 4 months ago
@LibCon00 Yes, they have the moral right to protest. I do not remember denying that, but perhaps I did. Regardless, they do have the moral right to protest. Technically, perhaps the police can come and take them away, but technically the police can also fine you for jaywalking. The police must choice when to apply the law and when not, because there simple is not enough manpower and because you piss people off by being overzealous. This would be one such instance. Now shut up and sit down.
DrakeIcn 4 months ago
@DrakeIcn nope. you are joining with them in trying to muddy the issue, the right to protest was not the issue, the living on city property for a week was the issue, the right to protest or free assembly was not infringed, there was a march to trades hall then a rally there the same day as the eviction that the police didn't stop or impede. there's no right to commandeer a public place and live on it , there's no moral right to be a squatter, nor a legal one
LibCon00 4 months ago
@DrakeIcn and also this is my city as well as there's, just as it's the other 4 million people's city, these guys don't have a "moral right" to ruin the enjoyment and impede the use of a public place by the vast majority. And you keep dodging me on whether a tiny majority has more rights to use public space than the vast majority by saying "they have a right to protest" so tiny interest groups get priority over the majority of citizens, that's pretty hypocritical of the so called 99%
LibCon00 4 months ago
@LibCon00 Well, this "tiny" interest group have 47% approval ratings - and I am guessing that out of the 53% who do not approve of them, a significant fraction still agree with their right to protest.
Speaking of which, how do you feel about democracy?
DrakeIcn 3 months ago
@DrakeIcn ummm no they don't mate... OM has no "approval ratings" where did you get these supposed statistics you live in Sweden you have no idea whats going on here, is there no occupy sweden? If there is concern yourself with that not with a foreign city thousands of kilometres away, you are tragically misinformed about the events in melbourne, at it's height it was 200 people, swelling to 300 at a march later on, biggest group was about 600 not the "thousands" OM claims (I was there I saw)
LibCon00 3 months ago
Its "Melb-BURN"!!!! Goddamn this annoys me.
unhingeddavo 4 months ago
@bamboo4tameshigiri ohh schnukims
FartingNinjaCat 4 months ago
I come from Melbourne and the police sadly took it to far. The only reason that everyone got kicked out was because the queen of England was coming to the city. Even though the government said it had nothing to do with it that is the truth. Hopefully soon the rest of the world will catch up to the 1% and the world will be an better place for all.
lachy3 4 months ago
fuck the POLICE!