Québec History 4 - The Fall of Huronia

[MyMelody5]

I feel so terrible about what happened to these beautiful and proud people. I wish Canada would have a Native history day or something so we can learn more about them and help native groups around the country so they can protect their way of life.

[147saad]

Did the Natives wore trousers?

I thought they only wore leggings and loinclothes!!

[RENEDU2]

I am proud to be Métis

[TheSchutes]

@Patriote17 Way to go though! I understand the land is harsh, maybe thats why these lands were the last settled across the land bridge? Allowing the Europeans to grow and settle, become embedded and fortified, skilled and allied, connected and reinforced. Maybe they Mohawk moved on them to late?

[Patriote17]

@TheSchutes life was hard in the past, hundreds died from cold, you had to hunt and fish to eat and if the season was bad you die. No human are indigenous to Québec, living here was extremly hard. Like they used to say in Québec you don't live you try to live, you survive. This land is hostile to men. French show the natives how to read and write, history is writting, it is important for sharing the knowledge from generation to generation. Bible is shity, but the word of Jesus is respectable.

[TheSchutes]

@Patriote17 I thought these lands were the last settled across the land bridge from Asia, some 4 thousand years before this invasion? I don't know why writing would be important to a culture that did not need it? I don't know much about the Bible, I only see it's effect on people. I think the Huron suffered greatly in this close relationship with the French, maybe many factors, the free Mohawk did not, then.

[sammythangerules]

@Patriote17

You said the Bible is "shitty", yet you call yourself un patriote québécois?

[CanadianGuerrilla]

The Huron always distinguished themselves as great warriors later on. Hands down the Ojibwe were among the best Native Canadian fighter, though.

[CanadianGuerrilla]

Terribly sad part of Canadian history

[MajBlood]

Man fucking Iroquois. The Huron were awesome.

[lmollot]

huron is a" bad word given to wyandot-from french "huronne'-means "unkempt" dishevelled"-iroquois is negative woed "real adders" given to the "haudenosaunee" (people of the LONGHOUSE -A MATRIARCHY CULTURE)

[Patriote17]

@lmollot I honestly don't know how to say it in english but a "Hure" is something on the head of the wild boar in France. The Wyandot haircut was similar to the Hure of those wild boar. I think the word can be associated with wild or savage. From what I heard the word Iroquois come from the Basque word "hilokoa" it means killer people. Basque were the first European to trade with the Iroquois. Mohawks means "Man-eater" in Algonquin, but the Mohawks probably like the english word "Hawks".

[Patriote17]

@lmollot Huronne is a feminine word, in the past it was probably comparable to the current word "Cochonne", it means female-pig. Today a "Cochonne" is a women that love sex, a nymphomaniac.

[lmollot]

religious is BIG business-the richest pimps on earth

[pinkynjashie]

LOOL I just felt like saying that :P

[pinkynjashie]

Iroquois My Ass ... :P xD

[StJamesapostle]

yes death rate illegal genocide - - surpressed indians and catholics and french - stole our land and caused war all over the wolrd and - -Britts even dragged the people of canada into war --- hummm - who is worse English Loyalist or Hitler - - atleast with hitler it was a much more faster death -------it is no wonder why the french want a place of there own and the indians - catholics

[paddebank]

well in the end it did not matter..

The english planned the genocide on all the tribes anyway. War and genocide are 2 different things.

You speak english because of 1 bought vote, otherwise you would have all spoken dutch since most of america's rich elite was dutch. The brits outmatched everyone in greed and arrogance during that time.

They are not as great as your think..

[Chansulus]

God will always be with the FRANKS. WE ARE THE LAST DECEDENTS of ROME!!

[glocniggafuck]

@Chansulus God must have a great sense of humor to devine such a long legacy for the decendents of FAILED EMPIRES AND PEOPLE!! U mad or just marginalized?

[minerboy45]

wendat got fricken owned

[Legionairius807]

the dutch and english saw the strength of the iroquois confederacy and used them to prevent the french gaining an advantage in the fur trade. when most people think of the huron, they think of the brutality of magua in the last of the mohicans. the reality was that the iroquois were far more brutal in their conquest of the algonquin tribes. the reason america predominantly speaks english is down to the iroquois and their alliance with the british.champlain really made the wrong choice in 1609

[Patriote17]

@Legionairius807 Champlain made the logical choice, he make an alliance with the Hurons and Algonquin because they were closer from his outpost in Québec. The Algonquin is a group of nation that speak the same language, MicMac, Abenaki, Naskapis, Attikameks and Cree. French were also ally with the Illinois, Ottawa, Sioux, ect. They called themselves Anishinaabe, it means the first, original peoples. Because the Iroquois come from South America, the Mohawks language is Uto-Aztecan.

[Legionairius807]

@Patriote17 thanks for the info because im not too familiar with the tribal language groups but i was aware of the algonquin language. it was the logical choice for the simple fact that the huron and algonquins were closer geographically. but the logical choice is not always the best choice, the british alliance with the iroquois allowed the brits to grow stronger and expand its colonies while the iroquois prevented french expansion south. it would have been better if the french had won in 1763

[Legionairius807]

@Patriote17 tanx for the info i because i am not too aware of the various language groupings apart from the algonquins. you are right he made the logical choice but it turned out for the worse. the british alliance with the iroquois allowed for the growth of the british colonies while the iroquois prevented french expansion southward. that said i do think that the natives would have been treated better if the french won in 1763. they showed far more respect to native culture and intermarried

[Jacobthegreatist]

@Patriote17 Adding to that. Jacques Cartier, screwed up when he captured a whole Iroquois village.

The Iroquois hated the French and never forgot what Jacques did.

[Patriote17]

@Jacobthegreatist Jacques Cartier did not encounter Iroquois. The Haudenosaunee or Iroquois confederacy didn't exist in Cartier time. He only encounter St. Lawrence Iroquoians, a distinct group, he had good relation with them. Iroquoians were exterminated or annexed by the Mohawks. Champlain take part in a campaign against the Iroquois, but there was only 3 frenchmen with him. I am not sure Champlain can be seen as the commander of this campaign, he take part in Huron and Algonquin raids.

[richardhummell2497]

@Patriote17 Do You know the history of the Amerindians? They came from Mongolia during the last Ice Age across what is now known as the Bering Straits and headed south and east following the Deer and Caribou that live in sub arctic climates. As the Ice receded from North America the "People" moved North again following the herds. The Wyandot and Haudensaune don't speak the same language because they were seperated by the largest and deepest fresh water the St. Lawrence River and the Great Lakes

[NopeJPeg]

@richardhummell2497

Incorrect. Eurasian migrations started further west with the paleo-European, paleo-Asian and paleo-Indian populations diverging near the Middle East. The latter two split near Central Eurasia with paleo-Indians remaining isolated on the now submerged Beringian land mass. There was no Mongolia thousands of years ago.

[yekdeli]

@kirokyukan The Huron and Iroquois LANGUAGES are related, but then so are French and Italian. This doesn't mean that they necessarily would have united. I do think that the Beaver Wars and European interference catalyzed conflict to an incredible degree...the years prior to French settlement on the St. Lawrence seaway were years of conflict...this existing feud between Huron and the Mohawk, particularly was cleverly exploited for gain by Europeans. Who knows what would have happened otherwise?

[kirokyukan]

@yekdeli Exactly!!! The French and Italins have been allies more often then adversaries. Ever hear of the Roman Empire? Holy Roman Empire? European Union?

Not only were the Haudenosaunee and Huron languages similar, but so was their culture. When the Haudenosaunee were united it was with the intention of uniting more tribes aswell, as is demonstrated by the Hiawatha Wampum.

[philbox17]

@kirokyukan European Union is only economic, not social-cultural. Roman empire is not a good exemple, that union was made by force and was destroyed by force.

[kirokyukan]

@philbox17 Union - by definition they are united. Sure the Roma Empire conquered with force but even after their down Fall Europeans longed for the unity Rome once provided hence the Holy Roman Empire.

[philbox17]

@kirokyukan the union is economic, like I said it is not social-cultural, they are united only economicly, the European Union is not a country and European as such do not form a Nation. Holy Roman empire was only German and Italian by the ways. European didn't longed for unity. Some Europeans king did because they wanted more power, more control, many tryied to unite Europe with different ideology, they all fail.

[kirokyukan]

@philbox17 Was Charlemagne not king of the Franks(French)? Although the Holy Roman Empire may not have always included lands we now consider French, many of the People have a direct genetic relation to modern French men. I believe the French Crusader even claimed a Charlemagne blodline.

[philbox17]

@kirokyukan I think you don't make the difference between Charlemagne Kingdom and the Holy Roman Empire, it's not the same thing. The Holy Roman Empire was inspired by Charlemagne kingdom, but France was not part of it...

[kirokyukan]

@philbox17 Learn something new everyday! Didnt realize France wasnt, at all, a part of the later empire, but I cant say I agree with you on Charlemagne and his heirs not being the original line of Holy Roman Emerors.

[philbox17]

@kirokyukan as a mather of fact Europeans always united against those who wanted to unite them by force, but they divide when the common enemy is defeated.

[kirokyukan]

@philbox17 Ok Im gonna take your post a little out of context but stumble you with your own words. "Europeans always united against those who wanted to unite..." Like you say Europeans always Unite - like I said. Ever hear of the Crusades???

[philbox17]

@kirokyukan indeed, Europeans united against their common enemy, but always divided when that common enemy was defeated. Richard Lionheart was ally with the French during crusade and died in a war against the French after the crusade. Hurons, Algonquins and Innu also united against the Iroquois, it was their common enemy. Military alliance does not means total annexation.

[kirokyukan]

@philbox17 The only thing that stopped you guys from uniting on a permanent basis was Greed. A concept foreign to the Haudenosuanee prior to european contact.

[philbox17]

@kirokyukan I am not European, I am a Quebecer. If you think Iroquois didn't know greed you are wrong. Greed is Human, not European. European didn't teach Iroquois greed, they didn't teach them slavery, they didn't teach them how to make war, those are thing that existed before European contact.

[kirokyukan]

@philbox17 Wars were fought for Survival not Wealth amongst indigenous peoples of the world prior to European/Christian contact. Just look at the style of war fought by the Haudenosuanee and Algonquin during initial contact. Tactics meant to cripple not kill its neighbours. It wasnt until European influence that wars became as bloody as they did - simple fact.

[ragnarush]

pauvre missionaire innoncent, qui en faite se sont eux qui ont tuer le pueple Huronavec leur maladie,....tout ca dans le but de les endoctriner,.. les french man avait juste a les laisser libre de croire a se quil veulent croire,....discutez de vos croyance avec autrui, mais ne les endoctrinez point ,.....

[Patriote17]

@ragnarush de toute façon je crois que nos ancêtres, les habitants et les coureurs des bois, détestaient les robes noirs et leur fermeture d'esprit.

[ragnarush]

@Patriote17 je crois aussi , et leur endoctrinement va a l'encontre des principes de liberté,...

[psrinual]

this is math formula

huron>france

iroquois>france

cherokee>france

world>france

[MaxRWF]

@psrinual

monkey>psrinual

[rampager89]

The Carignan-Salières Regiment? :D

[Jubilo1]

Regimental flag.

[blunt1984]

That looks almost like a Basque flag, not a French flag at 8:00 .

[MaxRWF]

@blunt1984

It's a regimental flag.

The French regimental flags always had a white cross in the middle.