I have a couple of .1 cent strobe tuners(Peterson & Planet Waves, both suck). They are fidgity and hard to get to settle, even with infinite patience. I hope I never see a circular LED or LCD strobe again. BTW as soon as you start to depress strings you go out of tune(go Buzz Feiten). I don't set intonation using the chime method. I compare 2 fretted notes on 1 string. Still a compromise. Everyone assumes that the TT is correct when it doesn't agree with the TC. Why? Specs? I don't trust 'em.
@domdauphin Strobe tuners are not new. They were around in the age of the Beatles and I'm sure most of the studios were those albums were recorded had them. Google Image search "conn strobe tuners" and click on the image of Pete Townsend then scroll through that page.
Thanks for the comparison. I personally narrowed down my search tor a strobe tuner to the two in your vid but couldn't decide. I went with the Polytune after seeing your demo.
I have one question? Which do you actually prefer? It seems the polytune locks on to the note and shows in tune while the TT shows it still slightly out of tune. Is this the point your trying to make due to the slight difference in %? I'm not trying to get into the can the ear hear the difference issue; but it seems to me the TT is more accurate if you actually go by the % and seeing that it is still tracking on the note where as the PolyTuner shows in tune. I'm thinking of getting a TT .
I didn't realize the Polytune wasn't as accurate as the TT.
The thing about the TT is once you get used to actually being in tune you realize how much better your ear gets to hearing frequencies. Close enough for R&R wont cut it.
The TT is so fast I suspect you gain nothing, or go slower by strumming and then still having to tune 2 or 4 strings. Especially with a floating bridge Strat or a guitar with a thin neck.
A ridiculous amount of trash-talking on this video. GorillaSalsa has put this video up to demonstrate tracking and accuracy of these pedals. For those of you who say you just tune to whatever your guitars E string is in at the time, obviously haven't played much with other people.
Tuner pedals are ESSENTIAL. Go tell a crowd of people "Shush please, I can't hear my Tuning Fork!"
I use a PolyTune. It may not be as accurate but its good enough for live situations. Would use ST-200 for recording.
@bhudda9 what a well thought-out and intelligent response! I never said that your guitar should be pitch perfect, but you shouldn't be pitch ignorant either.
@GorillaSalsa Never said I was. I was just pointing that I highly doubt there is a hugely discernible different between 0.1 cent of accuracy and 0.02 cents to the human ear.
@GorillaSalsa Being .5 cents accurate instead of .02 cents is hardly "pitch ignorant". Tons of professional musicians use the fucking Boss TU-2 which isn't even .1 cent accurate.
@GorillaSalsa Well stated, even though I dont think she earned a response there. Thanks for the video. Im amazed at how fast and accurate the ST-200 is.
@GorillaSalsa Playing chord intervals outside a fifth demands a well tuned guitar... ;) Or you just don't care to be in tune with the other players/can't hear the difference.
Saying the tuning is less important than the playing is like saying Formula 1 racing teams could get by not caring about the car as much as the driver. Sure, a good driver is what actually wins the race, but without the whole package working properly, they'd never have a chance even with a great driver.
@bhudda9 The only time being in pefect tune wouldn't really matter is if you were playing some punk or old school hardcore where being slightly out of tune would add to the whole I don't give a fuck attitude. Other than those two genres of music, it just sounds very irratating when a guitar player isn't in perfect tune.
@spicecrop He was out of tune because he started in tune and then played like Hendrix. Strats back then didn't stay in tune so well. To suggest he thought his music was better out of tune is kind of nutty.
@bhudda9 i have to agree man being in tune is crucial... its almost saying the a knife and a gun both kills does it really matter what you use in a gun fight? hmmm i think ill take a knife...
@Morethanl1f3 i think the comparison is more like shooting a rabbit with a standard .303, which is effective enough (even a slug gun will do) or vapourizing it into infinity with a .50 cal. As of a couple of weeks ago, I now own a Polytune, and I can say it does the job perfectly.
@joeypinter90405 if I were an engineer, I might be able to explain in depth, but I think if you found this video you at least know what a tuner pedal is and how it works. It's not like this thing is receiving millions of hits or showing up in people's recommended feeds.
@joeypinter90405 If the video alone doesnt tell you exactly what you need to know, you could look up some info on these tuners, or familiarize yourself with tuners in general. This video shows how the tuners differ in precision, and the speed at which they detect pitch.
Strum 6 & get back to strings that show out of tune. Actual tuning either reverts to a 1 string readout, or might as well, right? I'm not understanding an advantage: You strum, d needs tuning, or, you pick each string 1x, d needs tuning. Are we talking about saving the time of picking each string 1x instead of strumming 6, & then tuning? Seems like I'd be saving, like, maybe 2 secs. Dif in accuracy won't mean much either, but I'd go for a bit of accuracy over a bit of time saved.
@lazur1 you know very little about tuning and how tuning other strings can effect eachother..to be able to strum all strings and tweak individual strings while seeing the overall effect is great.
@Hack: You're nuts. I get guitars tuned enough to do union recording sessions for top Chicago producers . How much more do I need to "know"? No matter what you see on your 6-string read-out, you still tune 1 string at a time, you still look for the same indication that it's in tune. If you're referring to tuning to a chord for more resonance on pieces that have no modulations, this requires learning how many cents 'off ' gets the desired result, still no advantage in the polytune.
@lazur1 The advantage is, you strum all open strings like a chord and directly see which strings need tuning, then tune those strings/turn the pegs, with another strum or two ON ALL OPEN STRINGS. You DONT revert back to picking the single string after seeing it out of tune. That is much faster than checking each string one by one, and this poly thing gives you a "good enough for rockn roll" tuning. It´s the simplicity of JUST having to strum over all strings that´s the point, not the seconds.
Maybe I'm missing something, but why are you guys worried about tuning to an accuracy of less than 1 cent? Is there something in your setup for which you need to tune your guitar so precisely?
@randolph229 The more in tune you've ever been, the more in tune you want to keep on being :-) Not just tuner choice, but more time, effort & expense keeping axes in adjustment, & continuing to refine subtle techniques to play more in tune.
People it's comparing apples and oranges! The turbo tuner has an accuracy: ±.02 cents and the polytuner has 0.5 cent accuracy (in single note mode), so if you want extreme accurat tuning go for the turbo tuner or better yet a Peterson it has 0.01 cent accuracy.. But if you want to tune all your strings really fast and easy the polytuner can't be beat.. :)
peterson StroboStomp have 0.1 accuracy , polytune is a good and fast tuner , the turbo is good too the accuracy diffferance is not so big after all /0.5 and 0.2) , shit we used boss tu-2 for years and it have 3.0 cent accuracy!!!
@Claude77 Can a human ear even hear a difference of 0.5 cent? Can we actually hear 1cent? I don't mean standing there looking at a tuner, I'm talking about two notes played one after another, or simultaneously, with these small variations (0.5 cent or 1 cent) and just listening with your ears. I honestly don't know how accurately a human ear can variations in notes.
I just returned the tc polytune after owning it for 4 weeks and ordered the turbo tuner. Tuning in the polytune function doesn't match up with tuning on single string settings - plus mine froze up. The fact that the TT is still turning when the PT is not, lends to the claim that the TT is much more accurate.
I feel it should be said that I originally sold the Turbo Tuner shortly after making this video. After using hte Polytune for a while, though, the novelty of polyphonic tuning wore off, and I actually sold the Polytune just now and placed an order for another Turbo Tuner yesterday.
"That polytune blows the "turbo" tuner out of the water"
Maybe there's someting wrong with your eyes but it's obvious the TT's display is still moving when the PT's display isn't, therefor the TT is much more accurate!!
This demo sucks.
journeyquest1 3 days ago
WTF is going on here !!! stupid arguments about being in tune or not, i mean, are you serious??!!
THE MORE IN TUNE YOU ARE, YOURE MUSIC IS GONNA SOUND WAAAY BETTER; PERIOD !!!
ericrodriguez87 2 months ago
if people play in or out of tune or not isn't gorillasalsa's fault.
if you came here you were probably looking for a tuning comparison between the polytune and the turbo - which is what it is. stop bitching.
1kaptenqk 3 months ago
It seems that the poly is getting owned because it's actually more acurate in poly mode than single mode.
Tamotsu101 3 months ago
sonic research pedal owns the poly tuner thingy-ma-shit
TheeAldeen 4 months ago
'noodling' ..fuck ya
TheeAldeen 4 months ago
The St-200 may be more accurate, but its display is so fidgety it is hard to tell when to stop. I prefer using the TC, and my ears.
stockholm17 5 months ago
i love my polytune more than life!
ReXIX2 6 months ago
I have a couple of .1 cent strobe tuners(Peterson & Planet Waves, both suck). They are fidgity and hard to get to settle, even with infinite patience. I hope I never see a circular LED or LCD strobe again. BTW as soon as you start to depress strings you go out of tune(go Buzz Feiten). I don't set intonation using the chime method. I compare 2 fretted notes on 1 string. Still a compromise. Everyone assumes that the TT is correct when it doesn't agree with the TC. Why? Specs? I don't trust 'em.
IStoleYourPotatoes 7 months ago
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IStoleYourPotatoes 7 months ago
Gilmour did use them and still does. Not trying to be a jerk, but make sure you know what you're saying before you say it.
joshie4330 8 months ago
Yeah, now we all need a Turbo tuner or a peterson strobe to be in tune!
All music we listen from the past,from The Beatles to The Stones, from Pink Floyd to Def Leppard were all out of tune!
domdauphin 1 year ago
@domdauphin Strobe tuners are not new. They were around in the age of the Beatles and I'm sure most of the studios were those albums were recorded had them. Google Image search "conn strobe tuners" and click on the image of Pete Townsend then scroll through that page.
martkra 11 months ago
@domdauphin That's because they were recorded to tape, when tape ages it causes it to fall out of tune.
professorfoxtrot 1 month ago
Just sold my TT today :(. It was a great tuner though, I just had to thin the herd.
Doomzdayxx 1 year ago
Thanks for the comparison. I personally narrowed down my search tor a strobe tuner to the two in your vid but couldn't decide. I went with the Polytune after seeing your demo.
DoctorCalabria 1 year ago 3
Can you set the Sonic research to be in tune mode and bypass?
SillySiben0112358 1 year ago
I have one question? Which do you actually prefer? It seems the polytune locks on to the note and shows in tune while the TT shows it still slightly out of tune. Is this the point your trying to make due to the slight difference in %? I'm not trying to get into the can the ear hear the difference issue; but it seems to me the TT is more accurate if you actually go by the % and seeing that it is still tracking on the note where as the PolyTuner shows in tune. I'm thinking of getting a TT .
CheetoBales 1 year ago
I didn't realize the Polytune wasn't as accurate as the TT.
The thing about the TT is once you get used to actually being in tune you realize how much better your ear gets to hearing frequencies. Close enough for R&R wont cut it.
The TT is so fast I suspect you gain nothing, or go slower by strumming and then still having to tune 2 or 4 strings. Especially with a floating bridge Strat or a guitar with a thin neck.
thesjkexperience 1 year ago
thanks for posting. this is exactly what I was looking for. tracking and accuracy testing of the Polytune compared to a reputable tuner.
An awful lot of trash talk for a video so simple and useful. :D
beefyco 1 year ago 4
@beefyco Ha. I was thinkin the same thing. I guess people can get pissed about about everything these days.
ebeatworld 1 year ago
And in poly mode, each string has red light above or below its mark, depending on being flat or sharp, if it is out of tune.
baskethilt 1 year ago
A ridiculous amount of trash-talking on this video. GorillaSalsa has put this video up to demonstrate tracking and accuracy of these pedals. For those of you who say you just tune to whatever your guitars E string is in at the time, obviously haven't played much with other people.
Tuner pedals are ESSENTIAL. Go tell a crowd of people "Shush please, I can't hear my Tuning Fork!"
I use a PolyTune. It may not be as accurate but its good enough for live situations. Would use ST-200 for recording.
TenebrousSounds 1 year ago
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when you guitar is in tune to the human ear, does it really matter how many cents you're out? just get over it and actually play some music
bhudda9 1 year ago
@bhudda9 If your guitar isn't in tune, your music will sound like garbage, regardless of how much soul you add.
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@GorillaSalsa Sorry I don't get off on my guitar being pitch perfect. Maybe you should go jerk off to a Steve Vai album
bhudda9 1 year ago
@bhudda9 what a well thought-out and intelligent response! I never said that your guitar should be pitch perfect, but you shouldn't be pitch ignorant either.
GorillaSalsa 1 year ago 26
@GorillaSalsa Never said I was. I was just pointing that I highly doubt there is a hugely discernible different between 0.1 cent of accuracy and 0.02 cents to the human ear.
bhudda9 1 year ago
@bhudda9 The Polytune is only accurate to 0.5cents btw - and that's more than enough IMO.
I34z1k 1 year ago
@GorillaSalsa Being .5 cents accurate instead of .02 cents is hardly "pitch ignorant". Tons of professional musicians use the fucking Boss TU-2 which isn't even .1 cent accurate.
AlexSongDoesCovers 1 year ago
@GorillaSalsa Well stated, even though I dont think she earned a response there. Thanks for the video. Im amazed at how fast and accurate the ST-200 is.
IncisalEdges 1 year ago
@GorillaSalsa Playing chord intervals outside a fifth demands a well tuned guitar... ;) Or you just don't care to be in tune with the other players/can't hear the difference.
Saying the tuning is less important than the playing is like saying Formula 1 racing teams could get by not caring about the car as much as the driver. Sure, a good driver is what actually wins the race, but without the whole package working properly, they'd never have a chance even with a great driver.
SillySiben0112358 1 year ago
@bhudda9 quit being such a complete douche.
tehsimo 1 year ago
@bhudda9 it must be a blessing to be tonedeaf. why tune at all?
brownbigb 1 year ago
@brownbigb i would say i'm about as tone deaf as you are 'king' of the blues.
bhudda9 1 year ago
@bhudda9 i am no king of the blues. i participated in king of the blues idiot.
brownbigb 1 year ago
@brownbigb You pretty much just agreed with what I said. Cheers.
bhudda9 1 year ago
@bhudda9 The only time being in pefect tune wouldn't really matter is if you were playing some punk or old school hardcore where being slightly out of tune would add to the whole I don't give a fuck attitude. Other than those two genres of music, it just sounds very irratating when a guitar player isn't in perfect tune.
SJP444 1 year ago
@GorillaSalsa Hendrix would not agree with that, he was always out of tune
spicecrop 3 months ago
@spicecrop I'm very sorry for the lost of your friend. Obviously, you and Hendrix were best buds 4 lyfe.
Any guitarist with any popular recording out there ever, in the history of the world, has been at least relatively in tune.
GorillaSalsa 3 months ago
@spicecrop He was out of tune because he started in tune and then played like Hendrix. Strats back then didn't stay in tune so well. To suggest he thought his music was better out of tune is kind of nutty.
jerseystringer 2 months ago
@bhudda9 i have to agree man being in tune is crucial... its almost saying the a knife and a gun both kills does it really matter what you use in a gun fight? hmmm i think ill take a knife...
Morethanl1f3 1 year ago
@Morethanl1f3 i think the comparison is more like shooting a rabbit with a standard .303, which is effective enough (even a slug gun will do) or vapourizing it into infinity with a .50 cal. As of a couple of weeks ago, I now own a Polytune, and I can say it does the job perfectly.
bhudda9 1 year ago
@bhudda9 I can hear a difference when my instrument is "in tune" by my ear vs in tune by my Turbo Tuner. I like the pedal better.
neiloler 1 year ago
@bhudda9 this has got to be the dumbest comment in musical history.....stay away from music sir
ihaveaverybadcold 6 months ago
@bhudda9
You obviously don't play with other musician !
666patrickbateman666 6 months ago
(I just sold my polytune to my brother for a Turbo)
cosmogang 1 year ago
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what the fuck was that?? maybe it would be too much work to actually talk about the tuners and how they work.
joeypinter90405 1 year ago
@joeypinter90405 if I were an engineer, I might be able to explain in depth, but I think if you found this video you at least know what a tuner pedal is and how it works. It's not like this thing is receiving millions of hits or showing up in people's recommended feeds.
GorillaSalsa 1 year ago 11
@joeypinter90405 If the video alone doesnt tell you exactly what you need to know, you could look up some info on these tuners, or familiarize yourself with tuners in general. This video shows how the tuners differ in precision, and the speed at which they detect pitch.
IncisalEdges 1 year ago
Turbo Tuner is still the benchmark in pedal tuners.
eeek30 1 year ago
Strum 6 & get back to strings that show out of tune. Actual tuning either reverts to a 1 string readout, or might as well, right? I'm not understanding an advantage: You strum, d needs tuning, or, you pick each string 1x, d needs tuning. Are we talking about saving the time of picking each string 1x instead of strumming 6, & then tuning? Seems like I'd be saving, like, maybe 2 secs. Dif in accuracy won't mean much either, but I'd go for a bit of accuracy over a bit of time saved.
lazur1 1 year ago
@lazur1 you know very little about tuning and how tuning other strings can effect eachother..to be able to strum all strings and tweak individual strings while seeing the overall effect is great.
HackerGuitarist 1 year ago
@Hack: You're nuts. I get guitars tuned enough to do union recording sessions for top Chicago producers . How much more do I need to "know"? No matter what you see on your 6-string read-out, you still tune 1 string at a time, you still look for the same indication that it's in tune. If you're referring to tuning to a chord for more resonance on pieces that have no modulations, this requires learning how many cents 'off ' gets the desired result, still no advantage in the polytune.
lazur1 1 year ago
@lazur1 The advantage is, you strum all open strings like a chord and directly see which strings need tuning, then tune those strings/turn the pegs, with another strum or two ON ALL OPEN STRINGS. You DONT revert back to picking the single string after seeing it out of tune. That is much faster than checking each string one by one, and this poly thing gives you a "good enough for rockn roll" tuning. It´s the simplicity of JUST having to strum over all strings that´s the point, not the seconds.
baskethilt 1 year ago
@baskethilt That makes sense, but the demo doesn't show that. Guess I'll have to try it for myself.
lazur1 1 year ago
@lazur1 when on stage between songs a few seconds saved is important. this is for the gigging guitar player.
brownbigb 1 year ago
Maybe I'm missing something, but why are you guys worried about tuning to an accuracy of less than 1 cent? Is there something in your setup for which you need to tune your guitar so precisely?
randolph229 1 year ago
@randolph229 .....never mind the snobs,, they will argue on the internet about anything,,instead of making music
HackerGuitarist 1 year ago
@randolph229 The more in tune you've ever been, the more in tune you want to keep on being :-) Not just tuner choice, but more time, effort & expense keeping axes in adjustment, & continuing to refine subtle techniques to play more in tune.
lazur1 1 year ago
Sorry got my zeros mixed up :) But I must say the polytuner does a nice job, and the poly mode is just brilliant..
Claude77 1 year ago
People it's comparing apples and oranges! The turbo tuner has an accuracy: ±.02 cents and the polytuner has 0.5 cent accuracy (in single note mode), so if you want extreme accurat tuning go for the turbo tuner or better yet a Peterson it has 0.01 cent accuracy.. But if you want to tune all your strings really fast and easy the polytuner can't be beat.. :)
Claude77 1 year ago
@Claude77 Actually most peterson's have a ±.1 accuracy, so the Turbo Tuner is, in fact, better than them.
GorillaSalsa 1 year ago
@GorillaSalsa
peterson StroboStomp have 0.1 accuracy , polytune is a good and fast tuner , the turbo is good too the accuracy diffferance is not so big after all /0.5 and 0.2) , shit we used boss tu-2 for years and it have 3.0 cent accuracy!!!
TheDigitalSnow 1 year ago
@Claude77 Can a human ear even hear a difference of 0.5 cent? Can we actually hear 1cent? I don't mean standing there looking at a tuner, I'm talking about two notes played one after another, or simultaneously, with these small variations (0.5 cent or 1 cent) and just listening with your ears. I honestly don't know how accurately a human ear can variations in notes.
shootgroundhog 1 year ago
I just returned the tc polytune after owning it for 4 weeks and ordered the turbo tuner. Tuning in the polytune function doesn't match up with tuning on single string settings - plus mine froze up. The fact that the TT is still turning when the PT is not, lends to the claim that the TT is much more accurate.
donnelnunes 1 year ago
I feel it should be said that I originally sold the Turbo Tuner shortly after making this video. After using hte Polytune for a while, though, the novelty of polyphonic tuning wore off, and I actually sold the Polytune just now and placed an order for another Turbo Tuner yesterday.
GorillaSalsa 1 year ago 2
"That polytune blows the "turbo" tuner out of the water"
Maybe there's someting wrong with your eyes but it's obvious the TT's display is still moving when the PT's display isn't, therefor the TT is much more accurate!!
gnalfeelsinned 1 year ago
I love this (:
Great job!
xnarx 1 year ago
That polytune blows the "turbo" tuner out of the water
hadlock 1 year ago