having to jump over every other fireball during an exchange is not dead even. That means ryu is throwing twice as many, clearly on the offensive, building super meter, control of space
Right, and it is an important part of guile's strategy. That is, understanding that unless they are close together ryu has the advantage. Sagat can outfireball ryu, otherwise no one can stay "dead even".
relax fool. Daigo knows how to use ryu's strengths. Not recognizing his fireball advantage is a scub mistake
@bubbyj getting all offended over street fighter huh? retard retard retard you are a retard. why even bother talking about strat with a retard like you if you're just going to turn into a cunt about it. guess you can't relax because you're too retarded. remember retard, you can't learn without appreciating opinions, especially correct ones like "ryu's fireball is godlike" and "guile can't stay dead even in a fireball war".
Character balancing at its worst lol guile player had to work too hard for every hit...It shouldn't be that way, but the game has been this way for over 15 years so I guess it isn't fair to expect it to change...Especially with people still eating it up like they are lol...SF3 is was the best attempt at evolution the series took and it was spat on for being different.
Guile kept jumping in on a shoto. Doesn't matter who you are, you just don't do that. That is matchup basics 101. And look at the tier list tourny statistics. It is a very balanced game as far as matchups are concerned. Yes obviously some characters are not as good as others but there are players for every Arcade character at every tourny I have ever been to.
Guile's only option was to jump he'll never out fireball ryu and its easy for ryu to jump in since guile is a charge character...I guess he could of attempted a few focus attacks and some ex sonicboom traps but Daigo's fireball spam is too epic for that to work enough to win the match. Then the whole fact that a dragonpunch while slightly less prioritized in this release is still pretty much tops on the priority hit list, invincible huricane kick added ontop of that = guile slaugther.
He can't "out fire ball" ryu but he can technically stay dead even with him. Guile recovers from his projectile faster than anyone in the game. All he has to do jump straight up, charge back, land throw fireball. Jump over the next, then throw another. But I understand Guile v Ryu matchup is one sided but this guy was just playing sloppy.
@bubbyj hes risking every time he jumps, but it's risks he has must take. The variable speeds of fireballs might get him hit. Also, jumping in on shotos isn't 100% bad.
Empty jumping into a ryu who is standing still with his ultra is always a 100% bad idea, which guile did, which was what i was referring to. It is still rarely a good idea to jump into a good shoto.
Shoto fighters are for scrubs plain and simple...Worst cheezy spam ass characters ever made...But until they remove them I can't fault Daigo for taking the easy way out...But he wont get any respect unless its SF3 where their priority is cut down to a fair level lol
Obviously you suck, thats why you hate shotos so much. This game is a chess match, and every character has moves that make your opponents react. Shotos' happen to be fireballs, some characters throw, and some rush you. There are ways to get around everything. You speak as if it's easy to play using a lot of projectiles. I would love to see you try and use fireballs the way they do.
Lol some shotos (ie ken) you don't spam hadokens at all cuz its slower than ryu's and it's priority is not that good so you use his rush game which he is meant for not spamming fireballs.
its only certain players he does spam hadaokens. That's the way to pressure such a defensive player like Guile. Watch his match agaisnt Inoue (Dictator), hardly any hadaos. Just shows he understand each n every match up really well...
Are u guys kidding me? Guile chesse from the past has be toned but the real way to use Guile is for tricky reasons.Crouching LK to Crouching MK look drastrically simliar to a standard Crouching HK for starters to allow you to confuse your opponent into guessing and at the same time,allowing you a charge.
I'm a Guile player myself and as many of you have mentioned, the key to him is turtle and the need to charge.
However, the major difficulty for any charging player is againt hadoken opponents as evident in this vid and many others online.
Quick question, with Ryu, is Diago doing a simple uppercut , rushing in and double the super fireball? It looks to be medium uppercut + rush in + super?
hes not dashing hes using bazooka knee. its one of guiles many command attacks. if u hold back and then lk you do a forward leaping motion and since you are holding back its still counts as you charging for the SB
Wrong. Guile can no longer turtle like in SF2 'cos Capcom greatly nerfed Guile's FlashKick, slower execution, lower damage, reduced range, increased recovery, and the damage-point is on Guile's feet only, not the flash-blade part anymore. This seriously nerfed Guile's combat ability. However, there are new ways to play Guile and turtling is not one of them. Guile can still win, but the player must possess EXTREMELY pro skills.
poor guile...when he has to face hadouken spam he suffers. Players will defend the strategy as an easy way to beat Guile and I cant complain. But damn how easy is uppercut into super. Guiles supermove motion is ridiculous. You can pull of the super but chaining it is almost impossible. Guile needs one more move...and then Shoto players would have to respect him and give him a match instead of exploiting how weak he has become. Old Guile in STF2 would only have to strike 5 times to kill Ryu.
hahaha damn jersey, you are on here too? its LJAY103 geez, yeah i agree, poor guile, but you know what? although you might think he needs one more move, i think he's well set. guile's sonic boom and flash kick against ONE HADOUKEN, that's usually what i see here with ryu. you are right though, i cant complain, everyone else has a hard time, but the satsui no hado is devastating.
Daigo is unbelievably methodical; you can't knock him for zoning people to his advantage with hadokens. He's not throwing fireballs for fireballs sake, he's doing it with other tactics in mind. However, don't knock Guile! There are some sick Guile players out there, and I believe he's the most underrated character in SFIV. You just can't play him like it's SFII CE. You need to turtle, and always be charging. His combos are crazy good and he's unorthodox.
Ryu Matches against Guile is a mismatch from jump. Ryu fireball creates the problem especailly from DP traps. The only saving Grace is absorbing and Ex's for Guile. Keep in mind guile has moves that can advance him but absorbing defeats the purpose of charging. You best bet is timing your vertical leaps and watching ryu super bar for ex's. Guile is hampered by the fact his jumping HK lost tons of range for nipping Ryu/Kens hands.
P.S. Guile Target Combo is hella effective for mix ups.
Since street fighter 4 came out, all we ever see is people whining about shoto's, Diago is one of the top 5 players in the world at any street fighter, and his gameplay is top notch, he isn't a spammer he has well thought out moves/combos that most people can't even complete in a match ever.
hadoken spam only works against shit players. if the guy playing as guile had any skill, he would have been able to use daigos tactic to his advantage. at which point daigo would have switched it up and still ruined guiles face. fact is, it's the clever way to beat characters like guile, chun li and balrog as most of thier attacks are groundbased and defensive (except for chun li's wall hop which leaves you wide open for a dragon punch to the crotch). bitch all you want, he's still better than u
even if he is the best in the world it is not impressive when he spams hadouken. I would like to see him use a person that takes more skill to use such as guile. I bet he would be replaced by another hadouken ryu/ken player as the best in the world. the tactic he uses is the same since the original... boring
anyone ever wondered why daigo shows no emotion??? its because capcom created him from parts of broken arcade machines. i bet he has capcom branded on his ass
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Exactly!, no Sawada, no Blade, no Jean Claude Van Damme?, that makes every SF out there but the movie one gay. Diego the japanese kid is a beast with Sawada, I just can't find a video about it.
repsycle, ryu doesnt have SHin Shoryuken because Ryu & kens master Gouken has Shin Shoryuken as his Ultra. well the arcade here that has sf4 they just got the thing to be able to challenge against Gouken about last week..
and shavoba55 the game is public already, several places have the arcade for sf4 already.
SF4 takes place between SF2T and 3S. He still has the stationary Tatsumaki as an EX move but no Shin Shoryuken because Gouken's in the game and that's originally his move. I think they took it out for canon purposes.
IMO, the zoom-in effect could be used as new strategy now. It actually gives players time to think about what their next moves should be. We'll see when the game becomes public in the US.
Guile is the catenaccio of SF.
kistajk 1 year ago
1 thumbdown for Daigo :|
SATOSHI1987 1 year ago
Guy, Juri, and Vega FTW!!!
H4T3RxBOY 1 year ago
Akuma FTW, followed closely by Gouken.
chaaoos 2 years ago
having to jump over every other fireball during an exchange is not dead even. That means ryu is throwing twice as many, clearly on the offensive, building super meter, control of space
flivietguy87 2 years ago
Its called zoning, and if you don't like dealing with fireballs then don't play the game.
bubbyj 2 years ago 3
Right, and it is an important part of guile's strategy. That is, understanding that unless they are close together ryu has the advantage. Sagat can outfireball ryu, otherwise no one can stay "dead even".
relax fool. Daigo knows how to use ryu's strengths. Not recognizing his fireball advantage is a scub mistake
flivietguy87 2 years ago
Relax fool? And who questioned Daigo?
Retard.
bubbyj 2 years ago
@bubbyj getting all offended over street fighter huh? retard retard retard you are a retard. why even bother talking about strat with a retard like you if you're just going to turn into a cunt about it. guess you can't relax because you're too retarded. remember retard, you can't learn without appreciating opinions, especially correct ones like "ryu's fireball is godlike" and "guile can't stay dead even in a fireball war".
flivietguy87 2 years ago
I am upset and you just wrote a short story about how much you hate me? Don't let people get under your skin lol. Trolled.
bubbyj 2 years ago 3
GG.
LiangHuBBB 2 years ago
Character balancing at its worst lol guile player had to work too hard for every hit...It shouldn't be that way, but the game has been this way for over 15 years so I guess it isn't fair to expect it to change...Especially with people still eating it up like they are lol...SF3 is was the best attempt at evolution the series took and it was spat on for being different.
mcspoons 2 years ago 2
Guile kept jumping in on a shoto. Doesn't matter who you are, you just don't do that. That is matchup basics 101. And look at the tier list tourny statistics. It is a very balanced game as far as matchups are concerned. Yes obviously some characters are not as good as others but there are players for every Arcade character at every tourny I have ever been to.
bubbyj 2 years ago
Guile's only option was to jump he'll never out fireball ryu and its easy for ryu to jump in since guile is a charge character...I guess he could of attempted a few focus attacks and some ex sonicboom traps but Daigo's fireball spam is too epic for that to work enough to win the match. Then the whole fact that a dragonpunch while slightly less prioritized in this release is still pretty much tops on the priority hit list, invincible huricane kick added ontop of that = guile slaugther.
mcspoons 2 years ago
He can't "out fire ball" ryu but he can technically stay dead even with him. Guile recovers from his projectile faster than anyone in the game. All he has to do jump straight up, charge back, land throw fireball. Jump over the next, then throw another. But I understand Guile v Ryu matchup is one sided but this guy was just playing sloppy.
bubbyj 2 years ago
@bubbyj hes risking every time he jumps, but it's risks he has must take. The variable speeds of fireballs might get him hit. Also, jumping in on shotos isn't 100% bad.
Zendarus 2 years ago
Empty jumping into a ryu who is standing still with his ultra is always a 100% bad idea, which guile did, which was what i was referring to. It is still rarely a good idea to jump into a good shoto.
bubbyj 2 years ago
Zomg elfuerte lost at 0:20 D:
trucomment 2 years ago 2
Gunz stfu bitch!
zeokenX 2 years ago
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Shoto fighters are for scrubs plain and simple...Worst cheezy spam ass characters ever made...But until they remove them I can't fault Daigo for taking the easy way out...But he wont get any respect unless its SF3 where their priority is cut down to a fair level lol
mcspoons 2 years ago
Obviously you suck, thats why you hate shotos so much. This game is a chess match, and every character has moves that make your opponents react. Shotos' happen to be fireballs, some characters throw, and some rush you. There are ways to get around everything. You speak as if it's easy to play using a lot of projectiles. I would love to see you try and use fireballs the way they do.
YounGGuns425 2 years ago 3
Lol some shotos (ie ken) you don't spam hadokens at all cuz its slower than ryu's and it's priority is not that good so you use his rush game which he is meant for not spamming fireballs.
XBUGMANX 2 years ago
Goddamn you are one of the biggest scrubs I have ever seen on here, and that is saying a LOT
katsuranomaly 2 years ago
aahah...no.
zezuntxiduntxi 2 years ago
so true shotos are for low skill people
lilsed3 2 years ago
i dont like how daigo plays street fighter 4, use a lot of hadouken.
not a joga bonito xD
MLstroke 2 years ago
Well I mean... Ryu's hadouken is the fastest hadouken in the game. It's meant to be a stanard part of many of Ryu's combos.
You must absolutely *love* fighting against akuma if you hate hadoukens :p
kaikou1098 2 years ago 3
i see tiger shot is faster :/
yea im a sagat player
trucomment 2 years ago
its only certain players he does spam hadaokens. That's the way to pressure such a defensive player like Guile. Watch his match agaisnt Inoue (Dictator), hardly any hadaos. Just shows he understand each n every match up really well...
JeremyL1983 2 years ago 5
with ryu ofcourse
raulurrutia 2 years ago
it is very hard to break a guiles flurry of sonicboom lp, crouch hk, jump mk, crouch hk, and repeat man how do you break such attack?
raulurrutia 2 years ago
Guys, im just wonderin, for all u Guile players. WWhats turtling?
FerrariLover79 2 years ago
turtling means playing the game very defensively
rorixlawfer 2 years ago 3
Turtling is a defensive strategy where you respond to the opponent's moves and work on their mistakes.
pnutz409 2 years ago
Its spamming sonic booms in the corner and waiting.
Glacies12 2 years ago
Are u guys kidding me? Guile chesse from the past has be toned but the real way to use Guile is for tricky reasons.Crouching LK to Crouching MK look drastrically simliar to a standard Crouching HK for starters to allow you to confuse your opponent into guessing and at the same time,allowing you a charge.
zeokenX 2 years ago
that ryu is to pro...omg i want to play like him...
Ramonmedina15 2 years ago 2
so does the rest of the world ;[
treflip063 2 years ago 3
I'm a Guile player myself and as many of you have mentioned, the key to him is turtle and the need to charge.
However, the major difficulty for any charging player is againt hadoken opponents as evident in this vid and many others online.
Quick question, with Ryu, is Diago doing a simple uppercut , rushing in and double the super fireball? It looks to be medium uppercut + rush in + super?
Or is it easier to do than I'm describing?
ttran03 2 years ago 2
If you're speaking about the ending to the second round he does,
Shoryuken into focus attack cancel into dash cancel into ultra.
Having to focus attack cancel the shoryuken you would need two bars in your super.
neenjaRol 2 years ago
Do You KNow How He did that Dash Forward to a sonic BooM??? thats Like Impossible!!!
Edwin1503 2 years ago
0:23-0:24 you mean? dash forward?..its "back mk" command..then guile doin the leaping knee. =) then you can fire a sonicboom. try it mate.
qwertyuiopteng 2 years ago
hes not dashing hes using bazooka knee. its one of guiles many command attacks. if u hold back and then lk you do a forward leaping motion and since you are holding back its still counts as you charging for the SB
jonrocha1988 2 years ago
imo that guile wasn't that great anyways guile needs to turtle more in s4 and it works alot better
HeyItzPeter 2 years ago
Wrong. Guile can no longer turtle like in SF2 'cos Capcom greatly nerfed Guile's FlashKick, slower execution, lower damage, reduced range, increased recovery, and the damage-point is on Guile's feet only, not the flash-blade part anymore. This seriously nerfed Guile's combat ability. However, there are new ways to play Guile and turtling is not one of them. Guile can still win, but the player must possess EXTREMELY pro skills.
KrazeDiamond 2 years ago 3
Pretty much, can't nub it up as Guile so people play as Ken and Sagat ftw.
TheBreaker 2 years ago
@KrazeDiamond
yes extremely pro
1. If you are charing FlashK and the oppenent use command move that you have to stand to block it you just lose your charge.
2. with out Special move guile have to play like chunli by moving in and out poke & throw and we all know that Chun is much better at that job
3. He can't setup his ULTRA!!!
mikexhotmailcom 2 years ago
guile could set up into his ultra have 2 buff charge after a light kick flash kick while opponent jumps up or over u
xMasterLeex 2 years ago
does daigo play on ps3 or what????
AwaisAhmad99 2 years ago
poor guile...when he has to face hadouken spam he suffers. Players will defend the strategy as an easy way to beat Guile and I cant complain. But damn how easy is uppercut into super. Guiles supermove motion is ridiculous. You can pull of the super but chaining it is almost impossible. Guile needs one more move...and then Shoto players would have to respect him and give him a match instead of exploiting how weak he has become. Old Guile in STF2 would only have to strike 5 times to kill Ryu.
jerseyfame 2 years ago 5
hahaha damn jersey, you are on here too? its LJAY103 geez, yeah i agree, poor guile, but you know what? although you might think he needs one more move, i think he's well set. guile's sonic boom and flash kick against ONE HADOUKEN, that's usually what i see here with ryu. you are right though, i cant complain, everyone else has a hard time, but the satsui no hado is devastating.
ljay103 2 years ago
Daigo is unbelievably methodical; you can't knock him for zoning people to his advantage with hadokens. He's not throwing fireballs for fireballs sake, he's doing it with other tactics in mind. However, don't knock Guile! There are some sick Guile players out there, and I believe he's the most underrated character in SFIV. You just can't play him like it's SFII CE. You need to turtle, and always be charging. His combos are crazy good and he's unorthodox.
WFerraro 2 years ago 2
i'd love to play a top top player to judge how good/shit i am. id like to think i can give any1 a decent game.
007wonton 3 years ago 3
Ryu Matches against Guile is a mismatch from jump. Ryu fireball creates the problem especailly from DP traps. The only saving Grace is absorbing and Ex's for Guile. Keep in mind guile has moves that can advance him but absorbing defeats the purpose of charging. You best bet is timing your vertical leaps and watching ryu super bar for ex's. Guile is hampered by the fact his jumping HK lost tons of range for nipping Ryu/Kens hands.
P.S. Guile Target Combo is hella effective for mix ups.
SDSOverfiend 3 years ago
Since street fighter 4 came out, all we ever see is people whining about shoto's, Diago is one of the top 5 players in the world at any street fighter, and his gameplay is top notch, he isn't a spammer he has well thought out moves/combos that most people can't even complete in a match ever.
nv4der88 3 years ago
hadoken spam only works against shit players. if the guy playing as guile had any skill, he would have been able to use daigos tactic to his advantage. at which point daigo would have switched it up and still ruined guiles face. fact is, it's the clever way to beat characters like guile, chun li and balrog as most of thier attacks are groundbased and defensive (except for chun li's wall hop which leaves you wide open for a dragon punch to the crotch). bitch all you want, he's still better than u
QuickDrawUK 3 years ago 8
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even if he is the best in the world it is not impressive when he spams hadouken. I would like to see him use a person that takes more skill to use such as guile. I bet he would be replaced by another hadouken ryu/ken player as the best in the world. the tactic he uses is the same since the original... boring
dstroma1 3 years ago
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Hadouken spam plissssssssssss
phoenikkix 3 years ago
anyone ever wondered why daigo shows no emotion??? its because capcom created him from parts of broken arcade machines. i bet he has capcom branded on his ass
EnglishTea87 3 years ago 13
I wouldn't be surprised if the first time he touched an arcade stick, he psycho-DP'ed someone out of an attack. The guy is just born to play SF.
dragonfx310 3 years ago 4
LOL!
MitsuSC 3 years ago
looks like the lame kids on live, i love when i see ryus and kens now, i pop out me anti shoto and make them pay for that hadouken spam bullshit.
thejunkmanlives 3 years ago
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noob hadoken anyone can do that
phoenikkix 3 years ago
Daigo is the best street fighter player in the world if you didnt know kid
drunkkunmonkey 3 years ago
Hadouken Hadouken Hadouken Hadouken Hadouken Hadouken Hadouken Hadouken Hadouken Hadouken *opponent gets tired and jumps to his death*
GrayskullProductions 3 years ago
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Crappy game, Daigo should still be playing Street Fighter The Movie, where he truly shines.
Chacarron2006 3 years ago
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ahahahaha. that's the greatest sf of all time. everyone knows that only scrubs play sf 3 and 4
raanenbozzio 3 years ago
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Exactly!, no Sawada, no Blade, no Jean Claude Van Damme?, that makes every SF out there but the movie one gay. Diego the japanese kid is a beast with Sawada, I just can't find a video about it.
Chacarron2006 3 years ago
opening of round 2 = classic!
Bockatadi 3 years ago
Daigo is awesome!!
snskidtv21 3 years ago
Hadouken spam much?
polarisjunkie 3 years ago
lol yea sf2 style
shortmarin3 3 years ago
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Ugh that's what I hate about this game. It's such a huge step backwards for street fighter.
PsychoJosh 3 years ago
if its working why bother stoping?
ajlim 3 years ago 5
repsycle, ryu doesnt have SHin Shoryuken because Ryu & kens master Gouken has Shin Shoryuken as his Ultra. well the arcade here that has sf4 they just got the thing to be able to challenge against Gouken about last week..
and shavoba55 the game is public already, several places have the arcade for sf4 already.
zero11322 3 years ago
屈機XD
hide219 3 years ago
Is that AH I hear in the background?
ggxxslash 3 years ago 3
FINALLY some high level play.. took long enough... isn't it a little early to be beasting already?
beasting101 3 years ago 3
That combo that ends with the super is sick. Daigo's awesome.
KoopaKoot 3 years ago
why does ryu has NO shin shoryuken on this game???? can't understand!!
repsycle 3 years ago
SF4 takes place between SF2T and 3S. He still has the stationary Tatsumaki as an EX move but no Shin Shoryuken because Gouken's in the game and that's originally his move. I think they took it out for canon purposes.
dragonfx310 3 years ago
Daigo is a straight up monster... >_>
AzuroMasurao 3 years ago
Indeed. Quite terrifying actually.
SBNnamz 3 years ago
best street fighter player in the world for me. extremly high skilled (ownage blood) =)
addicttoyou 3 years ago
Beasting already ? O_o
djfrijoles 3 years ago
i wish they wouldve gone with more minimalistic effects and w/o the zoomin on supers
ribbon98 3 years ago
Same here
YungSunny 3 years ago 2
IMO, the zoom-in effect could be used as new strategy now. It actually gives players time to think about what their next moves should be. We'll see when the game becomes public in the US.
shavoba55 3 years ago
Some arcades in the US already have the game. Friends brother competed in a tournament recently.
KaneImada 3 years ago 2
umehara ga kimetaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
s0bek 3 years ago 3
lmao !! thnx for the laff
Dice085 3 years ago