So much bickering....John Phillips was a flawed great musical talent...Many of the greats flocked to John for more than his great parties and drugs...When the drugs took over the genius stopped and the egotistical bastard rose instead. John was doing things in the studio that were on par with the pre-rat bastard Phil Spector.
The Mamas and Papas had one of the best sounds .....and listening to them now they still do.
How anyone can say they were or are overated is beyond my understanding.
Listen to the shit that's spewed out by so many popular artists now...the vast majority of it comes nowhere even close to how good the Mamas and Papas sounded. The measure of a group or a song is - does it have any emotional effect or effect on your mood? ......not the soulless crap these days
@funkmasterjee The M&Ps were one of the best vocal groups/bands of all time (yes, either is acceptable...I see a guitar and a voice IS an instrument, any argument otherwise is simply opinion), and I'm in my 30's. Remember that there are millions out there with no ear whatsoever, for whom music is nothing more than background noise. Anyone who would prove themselves tone-deaf and idiotic by saying the M&Ps were over-rated need to be relegated to the background noise themselves.
Denny Doherty's daughter backs Mackenzie's story up with information told to her by her father.....that is enough for me to believe she is telling the truth.
good ole john phillips what a good guy having sex with his own daughter how fucked up. but what do you expect from liberals thats what they do thats why they love abortions so they don't produce one eyed babies.
is everyone in some sort of denial that this guy was strung out on drugs a lot of the time. who knows what happened. he isn't a saint that is for certain.
We will never know the truth. Just because she said something to Bijou or Chynna still doesn't mean she wasn't lying way back then. It also could have been very sublte like..."watch out for dad", but it's horrible to drag his name, and the memory of the entire group "the Mama's and Papa's" through the dirt. The feelings people have toward their music have changed, and all so Mackenzie can make a buck. How much would the publisher have given Mackenzie for an ordinary book about herself?
Oh yeah, she should have kept her mouth shut to protect "the group" and daddy because they had a few hits last century. She should just suffer in silence and take some more drugs to numb the pain! So you think a pedophile should be protected if they happen to be talented and had their 5 minutes of fame???
@Atomsmasher777 ----I agree. Well said. Simply being associated, shouldn't hurt the members of a stellar group. As is also true, the details of the alleged encounter, certainly will never be truly known. Far be it, for me or anyone to host the position of judge...And what could we change anyhow, at this point in time?
Mackenzie Phillips is a fame hungry whore who's desperation for fame and attention has led her to soil her own Father's name. Her own sister, Bijou Phillips, called her a "pathetic and disgusting human being" for what she's said about their father John. Convenient how she never felt the need to tell anyone about this "incest" and abuse until A DAY before her book hits stores.
Oh bullshit, This man was a legend and a great songwriter. Mackenzie Phillips is jealous she didn't even have a smidge of talent like her dad so she made that shit up! Notice she was upset at his funeral, and now 8 or 9 years later, AFTER HE IS DEAD AND CANNOT DEFEND HIMSELF, she comes out with this crap. Michelle said it was crap as did John's ex. Not sure what Chynna may have said....
Just because he did that to her doesn't mean she still didn't love him! of course his funeral was a painful thing for her--- extra so after the confusing shit that happened... Btw: HOW THE HELL would michelle or anyone else know if they weren't there. Of course they going to defend him... Stfu and get out of denial. Shit like that happens.
Seeing as Mackenzie has lied about lots of shit in the past and is just a horrible UGLY person anyways... Besides, why would a guy who could bag a hottie like Michelle Phillips screw an ugly duckling like Mackenzie?
Bestmusicexpert: Why are you so invested in proving her wrong? Can you not handle the possibility that he was a great talent who also did a very dysfunctional thing? Elvis had a good side but also had issues. And?
Because I knew John, thats why, he did like younger girls, I won't deny that, but he would never "do" his own kid.
If people stop listening to THE greatest group of the 60's because of sick ass Mackensie Phillips who is a NOBODY! then thats their loss! (note, group is singers only like M&P were, BAND plays their own instruments. Before someone attacks me about The Beatles)
I can appreciate the fact that you knew John Phillips but just because you know him doesn't mean you KNOW him. If Mackenzie wanted to make a media splash about a falsehood just to thicken her wallet, I doubt she would have used incest when there were other options.
I had a friend who was a great guy. We partied and shared a lot of laughs. He was arrested for possession of child porn. I was stunned. I knew this guy very well, but apparently I didn't KNOW him.
@chrisw2546... Personally, I'm not 100% convinced of Phillip's innocence or guilt, I just dont know... But when you consider the factor of long-term addiction to hard drugs, I dont find it THAT outrageous that Mackenzie could fake an incest story. She has very expensive addictions, and having observed the behaviour of addicts before, I have found that drugs like heroin in particular have a way of eroding away all values and principals that a person may have once had. All that matters is the drug
Again, I'm not swearing that the guy was innocent, it might all be true! If so, then I am sorry for what his daughter went through... I just find it sad that so many people are perfectly happy to decide for 100% certain that he was guilty, even though there is at least some reasonable doubt.
Bestmusicexpert: That is swell that you knew them and I agree that their songs are magnificent. But even his band mate, Denny, believed the charges and he knew him the best. You admit that he liked 'young girls,' which is suspect by itself. Mack didn't live with him much and mix in the drugs, I can imagine a scenario where he didn't think she was really his daughter because he hardly lived with her. Also, some of the greatest talents we have had have been sick puppies.
@dearyogini Denny died a good two years before these allegations came out, so you don't know what he "believed." Any statements to the contrary are complete heresay. Don't you find it odd that up to that time nobody else but Denny knew? Please.
@chrisw2546 actually, no. The music group term means like Mamas & Papas, more along the lines of singers, but not musicians. A band plays their own instruments. Thats why 95% of rap GROUPS are called just that.
@chrisw2546 and look at the Mamas & Papas, none (except John on stage) were MUSICIANS: Someone who plays an instrument. They were a singing group, not a band. Their instrumentation was played by a studio group of musicians.
@BestMusicExpert I'm just reciting the definition of Group as it states. And it refers to instruments as well as singing. Just telling it like it is. We really shouldn't have to continue discussing this.
@chrisw2546 I agree, but was just saying, if all the members play instruments, they are a band. Mamas & Papas were not as 3 out of 4 of them didn't play an instrument.
@BestMusicExpert rap groups i dont think they have rap groups no more i think their doing the solo thing rap groups are more late 80s early 90s and wait wu tang is a group oh but wait they dont even drop cds nomore so i guess mr "expert" get ur facts str8
@TheBloodg4life Lets see, New Boyz are rap-ish, Black Eyed Peas rap, GS Boyz, Three 6 Mafia and thats 4 who still are getting hits. So yeah, Mr. Expert has his facts straighter than your dad is! lol
@lisatina69 Ok, list ten groups from the 1960's who you feel had a tighter sound, better harmonies and overall better singers..... Remember, I said GROUPS, not BANDS!
he was an amazing musician...but we must seperate his personal life from that.. he was agsolutely awesome.. and he was not prosecuted! look at the sick fucks nowadays.. hello. some of you making comments are adhering to the ones actuallyu locked up for doing the same or worse.. so go figure.
everytime i hear monday monday all i can think of is papa john fucking the shit out of mackenzie...... its ruined there music for me
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spirospiro99 3 weeks ago
is this the guy that fucked his daughter?
paulwellscutler3 1 month ago 2
So much bickering....John Phillips was a flawed great musical talent...Many of the greats flocked to John for more than his great parties and drugs...When the drugs took over the genius stopped and the egotistical bastard rose instead. John was doing things in the studio that were on par with the pre-rat bastard Phil Spector.
1stSaintsFan 2 months ago
nasty motherfucker
tmprogram 3 months ago
In this interview, he looks like he's just about to die.
Nabokov50 3 months ago
The Mamas and Papas had one of the best sounds .....and listening to them now they still do.
How anyone can say they were or are overated is beyond my understanding.
Listen to the shit that's spewed out by so many popular artists now...the vast majority of it comes nowhere even close to how good the Mamas and Papas sounded. The measure of a group or a song is - does it have any emotional effect or effect on your mood? ......not the soulless crap these days
funkmasterjee 3 months ago 2
@funkmasterjee The M&Ps were one of the best vocal groups/bands of all time (yes, either is acceptable...I see a guitar and a voice IS an instrument, any argument otherwise is simply opinion), and I'm in my 30's. Remember that there are millions out there with no ear whatsoever, for whom music is nothing more than background noise. Anyone who would prove themselves tone-deaf and idiotic by saying the M&Ps were over-rated need to be relegated to the background noise themselves.
calbff 3 months ago
Sad.....that was his daughter, what a pig.....
greenilatina 6 months ago
guiltiness rest on his conscience looks like a pervert to me
TheBloodg4life 1 year ago
Denny Doherty's daughter backs Mackenzie's story up with information told to her by her father.....that is enough for me to believe she is telling the truth.
blueberrycobbler 1 year ago
Well, I see alot of people that must of have gotten abused by their parents here.
You live in America, and most of you were molested. Don't take it out on one man ...a dead man.
Move along.
goldhunting 1 year ago
when was this recorded?
when did j p die?
idic5 1 year ago
This is what happens when people have no boundries.
RobertGary1 1 year ago
rot in hell you sick fucking loser
AUSROTTENY2K 1 year ago
Just another ugly, worn out, drugged out, filthy pedophile. This is truly a very, very dirty, ungodly dog. Can't call him a man.
thegreenieye 2 years ago 2
sicko
sthesailor 2 years ago
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good ole john phillips what a good guy having sex with his own daughter how fucked up. but what do you expect from liberals thats what they do thats why they love abortions so they don't produce one eyed babies.
tigapatriot 2 years ago
Best music Expert : your obviously the worst music expert. mackenzie is not lying
tsunamikiller87 2 years ago
scum
laxpol 2 years ago
is everyone in some sort of denial that this guy was strung out on drugs a lot of the time. who knows what happened. he isn't a saint that is for certain.
KOSMICKEN09 2 years ago 2
We will never know the truth. Just because she said something to Bijou or Chynna still doesn't mean she wasn't lying way back then. It also could have been very sublte like..."watch out for dad", but it's horrible to drag his name, and the memory of the entire group "the Mama's and Papa's" through the dirt. The feelings people have toward their music have changed, and all so Mackenzie can make a buck. How much would the publisher have given Mackenzie for an ordinary book about herself?
Nothing.
Atomsmasher777 2 years ago
Oh yeah, she should have kept her mouth shut to protect "the group" and daddy because they had a few hits last century. She should just suffer in silence and take some more drugs to numb the pain! So you think a pedophile should be protected if they happen to be talented and had their 5 minutes of fame???
thegreenieye 2 years ago
@Atomsmasher777 ----I agree. Well said. Simply being associated, shouldn't hurt the members of a stellar group. As is also true, the details of the alleged encounter, certainly will never be truly known. Far be it, for me or anyone to host the position of judge...And what could we change anyhow, at this point in time?
shawflowers 1 year ago
John is gone now so we will never know the real truth..no need for debates on the subject at this time because no one will win
dunndebbiedo 2 years ago
Mackenzie Phillips is a fame hungry whore who's desperation for fame and attention has led her to soil her own Father's name. Her own sister, Bijou Phillips, called her a "pathetic and disgusting human being" for what she's said about their father John. Convenient how she never felt the need to tell anyone about this "incest" and abuse until A DAY before her book hits stores.
KidBk313 2 years ago
How on Earth can you say that about someone when you've no idea whether the girl was abused or not?
truocmle 2 years ago
im so tired of reading these fucking comments about how sick john phillips was. people act like its concrete fact and not just junkie hearsay.
Treadsoftly14 2 years ago 3
Oh bullshit, This man was a legend and a great songwriter. Mackenzie Phillips is jealous she didn't even have a smidge of talent like her dad so she made that shit up! Notice she was upset at his funeral, and now 8 or 9 years later, AFTER HE IS DEAD AND CANNOT DEFEND HIMSELF, she comes out with this crap. Michelle said it was crap as did John's ex. Not sure what Chynna may have said....
BestMusicExpert 2 years ago
actually all her sisters said that she would tell them when they were all younger so most likely it is true
humanoflife 2 years ago
Just because he did that to her doesn't mean she still didn't love him! of course his funeral was a painful thing for her--- extra so after the confusing shit that happened... Btw: HOW THE HELL would michelle or anyone else know if they weren't there. Of course they going to defend him... Stfu and get out of denial. Shit like that happens.
neurofryk 2 years ago
Seeing as Mackenzie has lied about lots of shit in the past and is just a horrible UGLY person anyways... Besides, why would a guy who could bag a hottie like Michelle Phillips screw an ugly duckling like Mackenzie?
BestMusicExpert 2 years ago
Bestmusicexpert: Why are you so invested in proving her wrong? Can you not handle the possibility that he was a great talent who also did a very dysfunctional thing? Elvis had a good side but also had issues. And?
dearyogini 2 years ago 4
Because I knew John, thats why, he did like younger girls, I won't deny that, but he would never "do" his own kid.
If people stop listening to THE greatest group of the 60's because of sick ass Mackensie Phillips who is a NOBODY! then thats their loss! (note, group is singers only like M&P were, BAND plays their own instruments. Before someone attacks me about The Beatles)
BestMusicExpert 2 years ago
I can appreciate the fact that you knew John Phillips but just because you know him doesn't mean you KNOW him. If Mackenzie wanted to make a media splash about a falsehood just to thicken her wallet, I doubt she would have used incest when there were other options.
I had a friend who was a great guy. We partied and shared a lot of laughs. He was arrested for possession of child porn. I was stunned. I knew this guy very well, but apparently I didn't KNOW him.
chrisw2546 2 years ago 13
no, what would sell a book better than an accustion of Incest.
BestMusicExpert 2 years ago
@chrisw2546... Personally, I'm not 100% convinced of Phillip's innocence or guilt, I just dont know... But when you consider the factor of long-term addiction to hard drugs, I dont find it THAT outrageous that Mackenzie could fake an incest story. She has very expensive addictions, and having observed the behaviour of addicts before, I have found that drugs like heroin in particular have a way of eroding away all values and principals that a person may have once had. All that matters is the drug
DangerousBastard 1 year ago
Again, I'm not swearing that the guy was innocent, it might all be true! If so, then I am sorry for what his daughter went through... I just find it sad that so many people are perfectly happy to decide for 100% certain that he was guilty, even though there is at least some reasonable doubt.
DangerousBastard 1 year ago
Bestmusicexpert: That is swell that you knew them and I agree that their songs are magnificent. But even his band mate, Denny, believed the charges and he knew him the best. You admit that he liked 'young girls,' which is suspect by itself. Mack didn't live with him much and mix in the drugs, I can imagine a scenario where he didn't think she was really his daughter because he hardly lived with her. Also, some of the greatest talents we have had have been sick puppies.
dearyogini 2 years ago 5
@dearyogini Denny died a good two years before these allegations came out, so you don't know what he "believed." Any statements to the contrary are complete heresay. Don't you find it odd that up to that time nobody else but Denny knew? Please.
KafeSociety 1 month ago
yep attack the victim and give john a free pass because he was in a band
tigapatriot 2 years ago
@tigapatriot Agreed.
Zeph100 1 year ago
@BestMusicExpert Why would people stop listening to the Beatles because of Mackenzie Phillips? haha
chrisw2546 1 year ago
@chrisw2546 The greatest group of the 60's was Mamas and Papas, the greatest BAND of the 60's was The Beatles. I said Group.
BestMusicExpert 1 year ago
@BestMusicExpert Tomato Tomaato; Potato Potaato. Group Band;
chrisw2546 1 year ago
@chrisw2546 actually, no. The music group term means like Mamas & Papas, more along the lines of singers, but not musicians. A band plays their own instruments. Thats why 95% of rap GROUPS are called just that.
BestMusicExpert 1 year ago
@BestMusicExpert Google the definition of a rock group and you will see that it says, "a group of musicians who play rock 'n roll music. "
chrisw2546 1 year ago
@chrisw2546 and look at the Mamas & Papas, none (except John on stage) were MUSICIANS: Someone who plays an instrument. They were a singing group, not a band. Their instrumentation was played by a studio group of musicians.
BestMusicExpert 1 year ago
@BestMusicExpert I'm just reciting the definition of Group as it states. And it refers to instruments as well as singing. Just telling it like it is. We really shouldn't have to continue discussing this.
chrisw2546 1 year ago
@chrisw2546 I agree, but was just saying, if all the members play instruments, they are a band. Mamas & Papas were not as 3 out of 4 of them didn't play an instrument.
BestMusicExpert 1 year ago
@BestMusicExpert rap groups i dont think they have rap groups no more i think their doing the solo thing rap groups are more late 80s early 90s and wait wu tang is a group oh but wait they dont even drop cds nomore so i guess mr "expert" get ur facts str8
TheBloodg4life 1 year ago
@TheBloodg4life Lets see, New Boyz are rap-ish, Black Eyed Peas rap, GS Boyz, Three 6 Mafia and thats 4 who still are getting hits. So yeah, Mr. Expert has his facts straighter than your dad is! lol
BestMusicExpert 1 year ago
@BestMusicExpert Bullshit , Mamas and papa, highly over rated.
lisatina69 7 months ago
@lisatina69 So, you're telling me that you're completely deaf? Name the artists you find better...
BestMusicExpert 7 months ago
@BestMusicExpert Lol are you kidding me?? There are thousands. The mamas and pappas were sooo over rated.
lisatina69 6 months ago
@lisatina69 Ok, list ten groups from the 1960's who you feel had a tighter sound, better harmonies and overall better singers..... Remember, I said GROUPS, not BANDS!
BestMusicExpert 6 months ago
@BestMusicExpert Group , band , who care , still a very, over rated singing group.
lisatina69 2 months ago
@lisatina69 Not quite, but ok, whatever.
BestMusicExpert 2 months ago
@lisatina69 fail you idiot.
MrDavearama 3 months ago
@MrDavearama The Mamas and the papas were no better than the monkees.
lisatina69 2 months ago
A monster with a human's face.
mojopo 2 years ago
he was an amazing musician...but we must seperate his personal life from that.. he was agsolutely awesome.. and he was not prosecuted! look at the sick fucks nowadays.. hello. some of you making comments are adhering to the ones actuallyu locked up for doing the same or worse.. so go figure.
noiui 2 years ago
john phillips was the most awesome guy who ever walked the earth.
gascanguitar 2 years ago
this guy was amazing musician but one sick fuck
humanoflife 2 years ago 4
That says it all lol!
Namroger 2 years ago
John, you sick fuck. You should have been executed.
Comanchebrav 2 years ago
Excellent, thank you!
DangerousBastard 2 years ago
Hey thanks for this, what a great post!!
BeatlesChick1972 2 years ago