@gsixty Great question. Jesus critiques our justifications for hate - even our religious justifications. "You have heard it said, you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you love your enemies." In the resurrection, he does not hate the evil that killed him, rather, her offers peace and forgiveness.
Are you saying that (If the fear of the Lord is to hate evil) we don't have to fear the Lord b/c He no longer hates that evil that killed Him? I'm a little lost as to how your question directly answers that text. Thanks.
@gsixty Is it clear that Jesus hated the evil that killed him? It seems to me that he didn't hate it, he forgave it. Bethke points to this in his video when he quotes Jesus as saying "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." In the resurrection, Jesus has no signs of hate - rather he is consistent with that forgiveness as he offers peace to those who betrayed him. John picks this up in his letter when he write that perfect love (God in Jesus) casts out fear.
Has the maker of this video ever researched the meaning of the word" religion"? You'll be quite surprised about the origin of that word because what you'll see is that the word religion does not originate with worshiping the True God. So getting at trying to make sense of Jesus talking about religion? It takes on a new meaning of his statement. Jesus knew it was only one way to worship his Father. When Adam and Eve was created, there was no religion. Just one "way" to worship God.
@cbmuzik Hi. Indeed. I have. "Religion" comes from the Latin word ligare, which means "to bind." The prefix "re" means "again." So, "religion" seeks to bind us once again to God and to one another. Now, people often feel bound together through hate, which is why hatred gets mixed with religion. Hatred can feel good, and even lead us to hate religion itself. Jesus, on the other hand, said the religion (law and prophets in Mt 5) of Judaism was about binding to God and others thru love.
True. But another aspect of religion is this: according to the Bible, there is no equivalent of the word "religion" because in early times there was no distinguishing between religious, national, racial, or ethnic identities. So it makes you think where does all of the dividing of man and religions come from. just thinking in text. =]
Well said. True religion as James puts it does bind again. The disenfranchised, the outcasts and the lower class are all brought together in LOVE as it is the bond of perfection. Now Paul says that people that refused to be apart of this movement will never be perfect (as God/Jesus) b/c they LOVE their doctrines more than other people so their beliefs/religion cause division which is the opposite of (re)ligare.
Jesus does call them fools but not for being religious.
A fool says in his heart, "there is no God"
God/Love does in fact bond us together in Himself & when we bond ourselves to a set of doctrine that excludes people our understanding of religion is foolish b/c in itself it denies Gods ability and demonstration of Love on the cross to neutralize the union of opposites or the us VS them game. IF your religion isn't His LOVE alone then it is foolishness.
Thanks for your video. What I'm wondering - is this really a very high quality, viral watch advertisement? Check: liturgy.co.nz/wanna-serve-jesus-buy-this-watch/8428 What do you think?
I think that it is just a POEM! Really, a poem. It is a beautifully written and performed poem. It is not theology, it is not dogma, it is not a hermeneutical exercise... it's a poem. If people are too confused by that, then those people should go back to grade school and take some language classes.
Interestingly, I agree 100% with what this video says. And I, personally, love Jesus & Religion. Love them both, very, very, very much. =)
@jmannysantiago I agree. The man in the video may not have the same views as everyone, but he makes a lot of good points, and I think a lot of people are taking what he says too seriously. It's a poem, which means that not everything that he says is meant to be taken literally. I mean let's take a Christian artist, Steven Curtis Chapman. Do we really think he danced with his daughter, who was named Cinderella, and that there was a prince? My point? It's a poem...he's speaking in metaphors.
@cboedeker2 Hi. I get poems use metaphors. Do you think he metaphorically hates religion? Or that he literally hates religion? He seemed pretty emphatic about his hatred/resentment to me.
@jmannysantiago Hi. Thanks for the comment. To your first point: Yes, it's poetry, but I don't think poetry gives us license to say whatever we want, and then hide behind the art of poetry when we say something troublesome. In his poem, he seems to be saying that he hates religion because religion is hateful. That's the problem with hate. It makes us just like the things we hate. Maybe he doesn't really hate religion and is just being poetic, but poetry should be truthful, right?
I want to be religious about religion!!!!!
gsixty 2 weeks ago
"Hate infects us. We can not control hatred."
Help ma out with this one... What is your understanding of hate used in these passages?
Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil:
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Amos 5:15 Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate
gsixty 2 weeks ago
@gsixty Great question. Jesus critiques our justifications for hate - even our religious justifications. "You have heard it said, you shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you love your enemies." In the resurrection, he does not hate the evil that killed him, rather, her offers peace and forgiveness.
raventelevision 2 weeks ago
@raventelevision
Are you saying that (If the fear of the Lord is to hate evil) we don't have to fear the Lord b/c He no longer hates that evil that killed Him? I'm a little lost as to how your question directly answers that text. Thanks.
gsixty 2 weeks ago
@gsixty Is it clear that Jesus hated the evil that killed him? It seems to me that he didn't hate it, he forgave it. Bethke points to this in his video when he quotes Jesus as saying "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." In the resurrection, Jesus has no signs of hate - rather he is consistent with that forgiveness as he offers peace to those who betrayed him. John picks this up in his letter when he write that perfect love (God in Jesus) casts out fear.
raventelevision 1 week ago
Has the maker of this video ever researched the meaning of the word" religion"? You'll be quite surprised about the origin of that word because what you'll see is that the word religion does not originate with worshiping the True God. So getting at trying to make sense of Jesus talking about religion? It takes on a new meaning of his statement. Jesus knew it was only one way to worship his Father. When Adam and Eve was created, there was no religion. Just one "way" to worship God.
cbmuzik 3 weeks ago
@cbmuzik Hi. Indeed. I have. "Religion" comes from the Latin word ligare, which means "to bind." The prefix "re" means "again." So, "religion" seeks to bind us once again to God and to one another. Now, people often feel bound together through hate, which is why hatred gets mixed with religion. Hatred can feel good, and even lead us to hate religion itself. Jesus, on the other hand, said the religion (law and prophets in Mt 5) of Judaism was about binding to God and others thru love.
raventelevision 3 weeks ago
@raventelevision
True. But another aspect of religion is this: according to the Bible, there is no equivalent of the word "religion" because in early times there was no distinguishing between religious, national, racial, or ethnic identities. So it makes you think where does all of the dividing of man and religions come from. just thinking in text. =]
cbmuzik 3 weeks ago
@raventelevision
Well said. True religion as James puts it does bind again. The disenfranchised, the outcasts and the lower class are all brought together in LOVE as it is the bond of perfection. Now Paul says that people that refused to be apart of this movement will never be perfect (as God/Jesus) b/c they LOVE their doctrines more than other people so their beliefs/religion cause division which is the opposite of (re)ligare.
gsixty 2 weeks ago
Jesus does call them fools but not for being religious.
A fool says in his heart, "there is no God"
God/Love does in fact bond us together in Himself & when we bond ourselves to a set of doctrine that excludes people our understanding of religion is foolish b/c in itself it denies Gods ability and demonstration of Love on the cross to neutralize the union of opposites or the us VS them game. IF your religion isn't His LOVE alone then it is foolishness.
gsixty 2 weeks ago
@gsixty Yes. Great point. Paul is a fascinating figure. Thank you for the comment.
raventelevision 2 weeks ago
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mrjoshuaok 1 month ago
Thanks for your video. What I'm wondering - is this really a very high quality, viral watch advertisement? Check: liturgy.co.nz/wanna-serve-jesus-buy-this-watch/8428 What do you think?
LiturgyTube 1 month ago
@LiturgyTube Hi! Excellent catch. I wrote a response on your blog. (Which I very much enjoyed reading, btw.) Hope it went through.
Peace,
Adam
raventelevision 1 month ago
I think that it is just a POEM! Really, a poem. It is a beautifully written and performed poem. It is not theology, it is not dogma, it is not a hermeneutical exercise... it's a poem. If people are too confused by that, then those people should go back to grade school and take some language classes.
Interestingly, I agree 100% with what this video says. And I, personally, love Jesus & Religion. Love them both, very, very, very much. =)
jmannysantiago 1 month ago
@jmannysantiago I agree. The man in the video may not have the same views as everyone, but he makes a lot of good points, and I think a lot of people are taking what he says too seriously. It's a poem, which means that not everything that he says is meant to be taken literally. I mean let's take a Christian artist, Steven Curtis Chapman. Do we really think he danced with his daughter, who was named Cinderella, and that there was a prince? My point? It's a poem...he's speaking in metaphors.
cboedeker2 1 month ago
@cboedeker2 Hi. I get poems use metaphors. Do you think he metaphorically hates religion? Or that he literally hates religion? He seemed pretty emphatic about his hatred/resentment to me.
raventelevision 1 month ago
@jmannysantiago Hi. Thanks for the comment. To your first point: Yes, it's poetry, but I don't think poetry gives us license to say whatever we want, and then hide behind the art of poetry when we say something troublesome. In his poem, he seems to be saying that he hates religion because religion is hateful. That's the problem with hate. It makes us just like the things we hate. Maybe he doesn't really hate religion and is just being poetic, but poetry should be truthful, right?
raventelevision 1 month ago
We justify our hatred by using these things - religion, baseball, politics, etc. Well said.
cyndimccoy 1 month ago
@cyndimccoy Thanks!
raventelevision 1 month ago