The Trials of Law School Final Point: Thoughts on Law School

[hojoleon]

fun. not really. im in law school now and let me tell u something, ur not going to be sleeping before 1am

[MrAlarconJ]

LSAT scores are way overrated. I know people who scored 150 and are making gobs of money (who also went to crappy law schools). It has to do with tenacity, and luck. Lots and lots of good luck.

[tnguyen318]

Here is how Law School should be. After students graduate they will work directly for the Government. No more balogny. Setting them free causes corruption. Their also charging too much causing damage to the economy. Graduates will be located to Government Law Offices. They will be paid by the Government.

A. Basics of Law.

B.  Courts and The System.

C. State and Federal Law.

D. International Law and Constitution.

[rexitis1029]

Can't wait...I'll be at Emory in the Fall...Freer is the man. I hope I get him for Civ Pro

[KRSchannel]

such a bull shit commercial to lure innocent kids in.

[xmenrus]

It also attracts crooks and liars.

[DartmouthAlum96]

@femfightwatcher This depends on your definition of a "decent job." Some people define a "decent job" as working 115 hours a week for a huge firm and pulling in a mega-salary they never get to enjoy. I call that a wasted life.

On the other hand, many of the attorneys I know attended third and fourth tier law schools. They now have jobs they love, they work reasonable hours, and they take home very respectable incomes. As far as I'm concerned, they have very "decent jobs."

[elenchus]

Freer is such a stud.  Freer, please take me on at emory. Call me. I'm always available.

[Hotmonkeylovin]

I'm masterbating right as I listen to how great law school is.

[CadenRolland]

Just remember the more prestigious the school the bigger your debt will be.

The more debt the more you will have to make to live well. This forces people to take jobs they don't want and stay there for many years.

Go to a school because it fits YOU. It has to be what you want out of a school. Then you can work where you like and can work with passion. These are the most successful people, all around successful.

If money is your only aim then expect it to be the only thing you get.

[MrPlummer]

I like Elizabeth Warren from Harvard, its encouraging

[rendertear15]

u guys are all being stupid.

[SexyBaby123ABC]

OMG, the people in this video are all candy coating and deceiving!

[chadsummerlin]

Q: What do you call the law student that graduates lowest in his class?

A: A lawyer

[IAMAMARTIAN22]

@chadsummerlin Most people Call him your honor (the judge) lol

[1dgg9h4dr6ppp8]

Law school is fucken gay. If you are going you should drop out and find a real career. You shouldn't do it if you think you are gonna get rich. And idiot woman in the purple, it isn't even close to as good as an MBA, and an MBA isn't the best there is either.

[sugarcontent]

@1dgg9h4dr6ppp8 Your spelling and grammar makes me weep.

[1dgg9h4dr6ppp8]

@sugarcontent Absolutely not ONE grammatical error in my post, idiot.

[sugarcontent]

@1dgg9h4dr6ppp8 The fact that you think there are no grammatical errors in your post makes me weep even more.

[1dgg9h4dr6ppp8]

@sugarcontent Who gives a shit? Weep you ass until death. There isn't a single error there. Your failure to point out a single error proves you're a worthless idiot.

[sleepyady]

@sugarcontent Subject-verb disagreement. Spelling and grammar = plural. Makes = singular. This sentence should read: "Your spelling and grammar make me weep." Lulz at your undeserved pretensions.

[1dgg9h4dr6ppp8]

Law school is fucken gay. If you are going you should drop out and find a real career. You shouldn't do it if you think you are gonna get rich.

[Miketube1989]

I want to be a lawyer and i have a well thought out plan for my career:

1.) After graduation, join the Air Force, make 50k starting out, plus alot of experience.

2.) After 10yrs, go into private practice. Plus, with the experience I gained from the Air Force will help me get a good job.

Ok so maybe i didnt write everything down, but is a somewhat general idea of what i want to do. what do you think? Is there anything better?

[butring]

the last guy that talked is so correct

[ChukchiCatori]

My ex recently graduated at has joined a firm... he showed me a pic of an office he shares with another person... it has a bed in it so they can stay there and work late and early lol

[kisame426]

HAHAHAAHAHAH!!!!!!!

ENGINEER! LOl!

wats so rewarding about that tell me serisouly making 20K a month building NOTHING!

and besides being a doctor it is rewarding but u barely can make a living with the money a normal phyisician makes COME ON! man i have relatives who are doctors and man they would rather have another job!

doctors are 4 those who are really want to help ppl. other then that u dont help alot of pl if u dont want to

but law well thats the best life can offer you

[rockymountainsunrise]

Engineers make 20K per month?

[screwoffreg]

lol law is the best life can offer you? dude...have you checked the salaries of "regular" lawyers, the hours they work? Stop being a jabroni.

[renderlogic]

everyone needs a lawyer at some point of their life. Even lawyers need lawyers

[screwoffreg]

This video is total bullshit. 75 percent of this years grads wont find a job and its going to get worse. Yet more law schools are being built. Why? Young dumb kids who pay 150k for three years is why!! Don't be stupid! Become an engineer or doctor, folks.

[axe863]

or a quantitative fund manager ;)

[WarrenAch]

You absolutely make no sense,you got your informations from biased sources,at my law school,98% of people who graduated last year found a good job in less than 3 months.Yes you probably won't find a job in a HIGH RANKED firm at first,because they need experienced lawyer,but hey,everyone starts somewhere,a new lawyer can make up to 100k a year if he does well,not less than 80k.Next time,get your facts straight and don't base your arguments on fake sources.

[screwoffreg]

lol u mad? Maybe you have so much time on your hands because you are unemployed? enjoy shitlaw!!!

[WarrenAch]

Atleast learn to spell you fucking prick,i just entered law school,if you think they are so useless,then you must be retarded,since the criminal rate is INSANELY HIGH in the US,the companies always need lawyers to protect their back.While i will enjoy this,like my brother did,my dad did,you will be flipping burgers at McDonalds for a living.

Enjoy you pathetic life then!

[screwoffreg]

lol I feel bad for you kid. Look into the Prison Industrial complex by the way, learn something other than what a glorified vocational school (law school) will teach you. Cheers mate!

[WarrenAch]

I feel even more sorry for you,where do you live ? Afghanistan or some shit?where people have no civil rights?Stop acting like a fucking taliban and accept this truth,i bet you tried to get into a law school,then the answer was "Go fuck yourself" then now you're jealous and you started bitchin about every other people who got accepted lol,what a loser.

[screwoffreg]

lmao! Enjoy law school buddy...seriously!!!

[WarrenAch]

Hey thanks!Enjoy flipping burgers the rest of your life buddy! Seriously!

[ITHEREONETHATHASNT]

maliable as an MBA. You work for MBA'S OR you pay your student loans in ten years!

[123lawoman]

Law school is hell. Hopefully I will graduate in June and get massively drunk to forget that shit.

[KevinL75]

MacPr0xnxx0 - You absolutely shouldn't worry about your major when applying to law school. Law schools are agnostic as to major, and don't necessarily prefer any one over any other. Business Administration is definitely just as good as poli sci or history when it comes to getting in.

[Salisbury76]

Law school? trick to success - buckets of time, concentration and hard work.  Intimidating, but true.

[MacPr0xnxx0]

TwanBeezy thanks alot for the great advice how important is your undergrad major i always hear most people are Political Science English history majors etc im a Business Administration major should i be concered or be thinking of switching my major?

[MacPr0xnxx0]

im currently in community college thinking about law school any one have any recomedations how to prep for the LSAT?

[TwanBeezy]

Yes, get the Powerscore Bibles. There is one for Logical Reasoning and one for Logic Games. Apparently, they may even be coming out with one for Reading Comprehension, but I'm unsure as to whether or not it's out yet. Also, take a course if you could afford it. If not, however, it's not necessary.

Ultimately, preparing for the LSAT requires dilligence. The average score is a 151. It's really not a bad score, considering the difficulty of the test.

[TwanBeezy]

But if you're looking to get into a really good law school, you're most likely going to have to get in the high 150s, 160s, or 170s. If you got a 180, you'll probably get in anywhere and you're probably a genius too.

In my view, getting into law school and doing well on the LSAT is more about dedication and belief in yourself than being an Einstein. I also went to a community college to start, and now I'm in law school. Believe in yourself, my friend. You'll make it if you do.

[FunnyGuy656]

@TwanBeezy very good point. my uncle who has been practicing for almost 30 years started at community college. left there after 2 years with with a 3.95 and enrolled at the university of pittsburgh and then graduated from there with a 3.5. got into pitt law and upon graduation started his own firm, and now is recognized as one of the best trial lawyers in pennsylvania. he always says he was never the brightest just the one who wanted it the most.

[TwanBeezy]

@FunnyGuy656

Exactly, that's really what it's all about. Extremely hard work, the right mixture of confidence and humility, and a little bit of street smarts or common sense, and anybody looking to be successful in just about anything is 100% capable.

[picadequeso]

@TwanBeezy Thanks for the perspective. I also tend to agree with your thoughts on the LSAT. Congrats on making it to law school. Good luck and godspeed

[sleepyady]

@TwanBeezy 1) There aren't many good law schools that'll take you with an LSAT score in the 150s. You'd need to have a perfect or near-perfect GPA, and then maybe you could break into lower tier one. 2) People seriously overestimate the power of a 180. With a low GPA (under 3.4-3.5), you basically have no shot at Yale, Harvard or Stanford, and Columbia, NYU, and Chicago would be reaches. Once you are over a school's 75th percentile LSAT, it doesn't matter how far over you are.

[elenchus]

@TwanBeezy

I'd say to get into a really good school you're going to need high 160s and other good stats. But what the hell do I know, I didn't do that hot and got into a tier 1. Maybe it's just random.

[bawhite125]

@TwanBeezy well said, I didn't end up with a good LSAT score, but I worked hard my 1L year and transferred to Georgetown, a T14 school.

[scalesofjustice0]

@TwanBeezy An attack on our freedom is what bush had said on T.V. Sounds like a guilty statement to me. The only time a statement is used like this is when police or Govt. takes one's freedom. Osama is not a police programmed person so such a statement can only be made by a corrupt system who would think or plan to take one's freedom. Consider occupy Wall Street, Consider the Terrorist Act in America, Consider stop and frisk. The subject is not race. The subject should be the CONSTITUTION.

[bioches]

hippi

[KevinCooterStein]

First-ever comment ..

Gee .. with all these lovely comments by those who get paid via tuition ..

Why do so many law school grads leave the field within 10 years? Someone forget something?

Cavaet emptor, people.

[supersaiyansssj4]

i am going to be a judge

[mizzdebbi]

I don't know what was wrong with that lady who said "law school can be fun & exhilarating."

[MrCounsel1]

$160 k to start plus bonus; opportunity to attend meetings (good wine...), and most importantly to learn to think and to behave at your best. Big law firms are stimulating and meritocratic. However, they are not for everyone. I could read and research 24/7 even if not paid, so the hours are a nonissue. I also love interacting with smart people, so that is a great bonus. Know yourself and good luck if you want to join the law. You may enjoy it.

[katherinemilann]

sorry kris but is 100k a year for the rest of your life really that bad?????

[krislaw24]

Looks like this guy couldn't cut it at a big firm. Have fun making 100K a year for the rest of your life, buddy.

[mattthedamon]

I agree with you man. Totally.. I agreed with the professor too. BUt he was shitting when he said that we cannot spend the money!! Maybe the law school take care of his expenses, but being a professor he should understand and know that firstly, money ALWAYS finds a way to spend itself and secondly, the global economy wouldn't be tied to the American economy if the Americans didn't spend A TON and lastly American consumers in fact spend more than they earn, just look at those credit card debts!

[ITHEREONETHATHASNT]

Not everybody who works at a big firm is happy. Many people choose smaller firms or private practice for reduced hours, reduced responsibilities and interest in fields big firms don't concern themselves with. ie. environmental, small business or family law.

[berrim]

I'm in 3L and have hated and bitched about it for the last two years. It's left me with average marks and even MORE stress about getting a job - this year i'm trying to be more 'postiive' and, to quote someone who shall remain nameless incase a death warrant gets put on their head, 'fall in love with the law'. Good luck peoples

[jdub1108]

These professors are completely full of shit! I love the guy from Emory, "even if you end up in the bottom of the class its still worth it". Is it worth being unemployed with $150K in law school debt for 30 years? You can't get a job as an attorney because you weren't in the top 25%, and you can't get a job doing anything else because your "over" qualified. These lying rapacious assholes keep selling this to unsuspecting young people so they can continue to collect their annual $200K salary.

[nocomply234]

These professors are absolutely correct.

It sounds like, jdub, from your post, that you should have reasonably anticipated this risk that you're now complaining about, i.e., graduating with debt and no job. Your situation is not a product of law school itself - it is a product of your own doing.

A reasonable person would easily learn, through research pre-law school, that there are risks, either minor or major, in going to a lower-ranked law school and paying a full tuition.

[jdub1108]

Yeah, blame the young 21 year old that believed the big top law schools were telling the truth when they said borrowing 150K is no big deal and you are guarenteed to make at least 100K starting out regardless of class ranking.

And just so nocomply234 knows, I went to a top 20 law school and was in the top 25% of my class. I also work for a large law firm. Unlike comply234, I have compassion for many of my friends with a large amount of debt and no hope of a career.

[nocomply234]

I'm sorry, but I do have compassion for many of my friends, as well as probably yours, that are in a lot of debt. However, I see this trend on internet boards - disgruntled students with the same complaints as your previous message, and I can't help but think, "didn't you think about this before entering school?"

Do students at top 20 schools really have trouble finding jobs post-graduation? I find that very hard to believe - the employment rate at my T4 school is almost 90 percent.

[nocomply234]

But, if your assertion is correct, then I take back what I said - I didn't realize that students at top 20 schools encounter such problems.

I thought that all T1 grads had the most job opportunites (especially for big, fancy firm jobs), whereas T2 and below had to fight it out in school for the "top 25%" to get those opportunities.

[jdub1108]

In my opinion, going to a top law school and landing a good job is still very much a gamble that most people should not take unless they have a full scholarship or parents that are willing to pay for it.

I have friends that went to Columbia, Vanderbilt, and several other top schools and they literally cannot even get jobs that pay $40K a year because they are overqualified.

They pay will be paying $1,400 a month for the next 25 years with little hope of ever having a six figure salary.

[xkxwx]

Why don't you network with your peers who also have the said relative qualification and start your own small firm? What's the problem with that? I'm sure you have had articling experience, so why not use what you have earned and learned! Believe in yourself.

[jdub1108]

I really feel like the cost of attending law school should reflect the legal job market.

The number of $100K+ jobs are very limited, and most people working for these firms end up regreting it (work hours, cost of livingin DC or NY, student loan payments to boot, etc.)

[Siatistian]

I've been offered a near-full scholarship to Tier 4 in MA, but have the qualifications to attend a "promising" and expensive Tier 2 (i.e. relative to my understanding of promising). I'm planning on attending the Tier 4, and after reading posts like this I feel a great deal more confident in my decision. Is it really that hard for students outside the top 25 %?

[nocomply234]

Generally, yes - only the students at the top of the class are afforded those "big firm" opportunities. Those jobs demand blood, but the payout could be great (though they are not for everyone, if qualified or not).

You could still get a big firm job if you did well at the T4. And if you happened to make it at the top of your class, then you'd be graduating with no debt - big firm job or not, in this day and age of national economic hardship, that is nothing to take for granted.

[DrEgonSchiltz]

Hello Dr. Schiltz.God is among us.

[lollipop123]

make more this is great. thank you.