Le Mans - Porsche 962 Onboard

[blackmanta07]

Call me "weird".......but I LOVE the background music

[henkdecitroen13]

goddamnit!!!!!! why the fuck is there allways someone talking with some annoying background music.

I WANNA HEAR THAT FUCKING ENGINE!!!!!

[FlyingSchwabe]

Great Clip!!!!

For more Informations about the Porsche 962: w w w. dauer962.de

[SportsCarAdvisors]

insane.

[Camerameister]

C11 did not race on the old straight. That was the C9, which topped out at 400kmh (248mph). Stuck's 962 did 391 (243) and the W.M. Peugeot did 405kmh (252). That is the fastest ever at Le Mans.

The Porsche 917, despite its reputation, did not do 246. Even Porsche do not claim this figure. Their computer predicted 239. In reality, the highest figure for 1971 was 362kmh (224.4mph). In qualifying, the Ferrari 512 actually had a higher top speed than the Porsches; 359kmh (222.6mph).

[Razor1097]

r92cp a 1:05? awesome!

[maxelluno]

sulla pista nuova con le chicane le massime sono intorno ai 330-340 perchè la deportanza creata dalle auto è davvero impressionante.

lo dimostrano i tempi sul giro. sono molto simili a quelli del circuito senza chicane.

[PorscheBulgaria]

La Sarthe - the best racing track ever !!! I love the old configuration of the La Sarthe track. No chicanes on the Mulsanne straight....

[fran812]

nearly or over 400 kmh at the end of the Hunaudieres straight, right?

[LordJesseD]

Over on the old Le Mans... On the new one, most you can get is about 380 km/h.

[fran812]

380? I read nowadays the fastest cars of the 24 H reach 330/340

[LordJesseD]

Apparentely about a decade ago, the Toyota GT-One was doing about 380 km/h, but then again, I'm just quoting from memory.

But 330-350 km/h is very plausible.

[fran812]

anyway, I think that Toyota, Mercedes and Porsche should come back, Le Mans is not the same without them.. and also, the long 5km Hunaudieres straight would be awesome :P (but dangerous)

[LordJesseD]

I haven't been keeping track of motorsports... since ever. But it's a crime that they're not in Le Mans.

But yeah, too many idiots were dying on the straight, so they quite literally had to cut it. No fun with them in place.

[fran812]

hey... idiots? I bet neither you or I would have big enough balls to drive at 400 kmh at Hunaudieres

[LordJesseD]

I meant in a generic way. But, no offense, pal, you don't know me. Give me a shot at that fast down that straight, I'd take it.

[FormulaOneSpy]

Don't quote your memory then.. :) Practice trap speed for GT-One: 351 km/h.

Source: mulsannescorner(dot)com - "Le Mans trap speeds 1999"

[LordJesseD]

I agree, that's something I shouldn't do.

[Kheops63]

391km/h for Hans Stuck on a Porsche 962 in 1988 and 400 km/h for Kenny Acheson on a Sauber Mercedes in 1989 but the quickest man was officially Roger Dorchy in 1988 with 405Km/h.

[freedomsoldier187]

uh no GT-One 330-350 max

[LordJesseD]

Somebody already corrected me on that.

But the Gt-One was a very fast competitor, and as the guy above said, the Sauber C11 in 1989 hit something like 247mph, which is about 395km/h.

[freedomsoldier187]

the porsche 917 was doing that in 1971 my friend :)

[LordJesseD]

I know that. It was pretty much above 250.

But that was before they put the chicanes in.

[kossoff1]

hell yeah,pedro etc,the best ever to control that 917L

[Camerameister]

@freedomsoldier187

Well, that's what the legend says but it's not accurate. The 917LH was apparently clocked at 240mph (386kph) on a test weekend in April 1971 but this was not repeated in qualifying or the race. In fact, looking at the drag figures and power outputs, I'm struggling to see how they did it at all. Top speed for a 917 in the 1971 race was 224mph (362kph), which is still plenty fast.

These are the official Le Mans speed trap figures. They are the only ones I place any faith in.

[freedomsoldier187]

show me them then hey smart ass

[Camerameister]

You can find them in the Autotechnical Le Mans Annual. That's where these figures came from. They publish the figures for every car in every race and have done since the early 1960s. I have yet to see any reference in it to a 917 doing 246mph. I haven't even seen 240 (I'm open to that one but it seems to have only happened once in April 1971 and not in the race). That's not to say that it didn't, just that I think the data is questionable because nobody has ever cited any raw figures.

[freedomsoldier187]

yeah well I went to that page, its just a bunch of numbers on a page, with no basis on where they got this data from. It looks like a fan page with bits and pieces of data from all over the place.

I don't rate it

[Camerameister]

You're not under any obligation to.

They quote the same source I did. The speed trap figures are published every year.

[freedomsoldier187]

if you can't your stories are just as fanciful as the legend states, and looking at the aerodynamics of the 917 given its weight and tall gearing, I would believe that the 380km/h + legend is as true as they say they are

[Camerameister]

The speed trap figures don't support this and while I agree it's a widely held view, I have never seen any reliable evidence. I have provided the official figures which are published every year in the Autotechnica Le Mans 24Hr yearbook. If someone can show me a reliable source which shows the 246 figure then I will accept it but I have watched this story for about 35 years and that figure just keeps on getting bigger. Sounds like rose tinted optimism to me. The velocity squared law is the key.

[Camerameister]

I think it started with a writer called Ian Bamsey. He wrote in 1988 that it had done 240 and then changed it to 246 a few years ago. He doesn't cite ANY sources for this claim though. He doesn't even cite a source for the original claim, which I first heard 35 years ago. Now some are claiming 251 for the LH. This is turning into a bidding war with nothing more than Motor Racing Mythology to support it. If you want to believe it be my guest - I don't - but anyone is entitled to question it.

[kossoff1]

the C9 hit 408kmh in qualifying '89

[LordJesseD]

Well, 408 km/h is about 253mph, but the C9 hit something like 247mph, which is under 400km/h.

[Camerameister]

Sauber C9 did 400kmh in practice, not 408. The highest ever recorded on the old Mulsanne straight was 405kmh by a W.M. Peugeot P88 in the 1988 race.

Source is Autotechnica Le Mans Annual which publishes official speed trap figures for every car. Some are quite disappointing! Not these however.

[LordJesseD]

I didn't say it did that, I was just correcting someone else, whilst quoting what I remember the C9 doing.

But some cars aren't too fast, whilst others like that C9 were blistering. But wasn't the P88 hopelss everywhere else, because they taped up the radiator grills?

[Camerameister]

Sorry, I wasn't inferring that you did. I was just saying that the C9 did 400 not 408. I probably should have directed at the previous poster.

Yes: the Peugeot was greased lightning in a straight line but handled like a bucket of swill everywhere else!

[LordJesseD]

The Peugeot still holds the record for the straight, but because of its hopelessness, I consider the C9 to the best of the two.

[Camerameister]

@LordJesseD

Agree totally. The Peugeot was only really built for one purpose. It was rubbish in the Porsche Curves!

[Camerameister]

You may be interested in a site called Racing Sports Cars. It has an excellent photographic record of Le Mans cars. You can probably find evidence of the taped grills there. I don't know about it.

I do know that the radiator exits were channeled towards the rear of the car rather than in front of the windscreen like on say, a Sauber or Jag.

Incidentally, that Peugeot was tested on a stretch of closed highway in France and they managed to get 258mph (415kmh) out of it.

[Camerameister]

Source for the 416 kmh claim byt the W.M Peugeot P87 is "Super Sports: the 220mph Le Mans Cars" p.173. The run was done by François Migault on an unopened section of road between St Quentin and Rheims. The speed was established by Police radar in full view of the press. A facsimile of a newspaper article is included in the book (it was 416 and not 415 - my mistake).

[LordJesseD]

That's pretty damn fast. Thanks for the information.

[Camerameister]

My pleasure. :)

[LF0]

whats all that 'chinking' left stuff, mines a half duck!

[skynet0912]

Am i mistaken or is that "The voice of motorsport" Murray Walker I'm hearing?

[nolanbowling]

You'd be right...

[knutfheifer]

@skynet0912 it was lars ulrich from led zaplin who was talking, he was a banger of butter bean muffets

[87834649]

GroupC category was concerning fuel economy. If driver wants to fast going, It depends on fuel economy. Team must caliculate about fuel. Also, drivers must obey any kids of team order in any situations.

[L0000000000000L]

why he's not going as fast as others??

[clax302]

good vid canon is dumb

[nolanbowling]

I didn't make the video, I posted it... ASSHOLE! BTW let me know when you actually post a video.

[thisissick22]

its about real driving not GT4 you kid.

[fujikura6]

great post! thanks

[friedgreencorrado]

Nice counterpoint to the Derek Bell vid everyone's posted. Great night footage!