În locul tău i-aş da bann acestui trădător de ţară şi neam @shockolanu i-aş şterge toate commenturile neruşinate în care îşi bate joc de neamul nostru şi nu l-as lăsa să îmi polueze canalul cu minciunile lui dezgustătoare.
Vezi că el este fanatic anti-român şi fanatic grecoman.
Felicitări pentru video-urile de pe canalul tău şi nu mai lăsa asemenea specimene să îţi otrăvească video-urile cu asemenea comentarii!
Tradator de tara si neam? Eu nu ma confund cu voi Romanii, doar voi incercati sa va confundati cu ai mei. Stii cum am ajuns eu aici? Bunicii mei au fost stramutati din Grecia de catre Monarhiile Germane ale Romaniei si respectiv Greciei. Au fost mintiti ca suntem Romani, prin propaganda mizerabila predata in scolile infiintate de Romania in Grecia. Au fost dusi in Cadrilater ca sa populeze zona cu asa-zisi Romani. Mai scuteste-ma cu mincinile si prostiile tale, tigane.
Daca voi, Romanii ati avea macar un strop de sange comun cu Macedo-Romanii, l-ati fi dat de mult jos pe Basescu care e un Tatar mizerabil. Dar nu, voi va complaceti in mizerie, deci nu va confundati cu populatii superioare de care va leaga doar obiceiuri si limba implementate de conducerea Greco-Romana Fanariota.
@ultraV1r you shouldn't offend people like that, learn romanian and if you knew romanian you would have understood that what i said was not at all like you thought.
the only one fanatic here is the greeko-maniac shockolanu.
Aromanians, Megleno-Romanians, Vlachs from Serbian and Bulgarian Timoc, Istro-Romanians from Croatia are all branches of THE ROMANIAN PEOPLE, and it is not at all fascism to say this historic truth.
Fascism is to deny it and to try to make them all greek.
@VlachArtist what i understood is that you prompted adiamiandi to erase shockolanu s comments and ban him.everybody is allowed to have his opinion.in my country preventing people to talk is considered fascism.
@ultraV1r That was the last message at the end of a long line of messages where all that he did was to hate speech the romanians. He hates our people, and that's why i told adiamandi to bann him,for hate speach reasons.The hate speach and discrimination of any nationality,in our case here the romanians shoud not be permeted anywhere.I am opened to free discussions, and the opinions are free to have, but the limit is where shokolanu starts to severily insult my nation
@VlachArtist something else. behaviours like yours in such a video that is uploaded by somebody who uses the name of an axis collaborator do not help anyone.
Normal ca toti oamenii din Grecia sunt Greci, doar nu or fi Chiezi.
Rum vine de la Roma dar nu ai cum sa consideri ca Daco-Romanii sunt acelasi lucru cu Greco-Romanii. Plus de asta, Rhomania este numele imperiului Roman de Est (Greco Roman).
Intradevar, strainii ne numeau Vlahi pe toti. La un moment dat Papa i-a scris Imparatului Rhomaniei spunandu-i ca nu au voie sa se considere Romani, pentru ca i-au catalogat pe Romani ca si barbari. De aici A-Roman....
Ba da amice, poti sa te duci sa te uiti pe buletinele lor. Cu totii au Nationalitate Elena.
Ei sunt liberi sa isi practice propiile obiceiuri si sa vorbeasca intre ei limba pe care o au din strabuni.
Amice, Aromanii nu sunt o minoritate in propia tara. Aromanii sunt Grecii din timpul Imperiului Bizantin. Maine-poimaine o sa ne minti ca de fapt Dinastia Macedoneana a Imperiului a fost de fapt de origini Romane si au venit de la Bucuresti.
In caz ca nu cunosti limba Greaca, iti spun eu... exista nenumarate cuvinte comune cu limba Romana. Faptul ca Armanii au fost influentati de imperiul Roman, nu ii face Daco-Romani. Noi suntem Macedo-Romani.
Da, Dacii erau neam cu Tracii asta nu pot nega.
Nu ma intereseaza studiile altor oameni, nu am nevoie de Romani care isi dau cu parerea. Odata cu continuitatea limbii, ne-am pastrat si identitatea. De aceea nu o sa ne confundam cu Daco-Romanii.
@shockolanu linguists have proved that aromanian and romanian were separated in about 7th century bc.those languages have much in common.If aromanians were greco romans as you claim then their language would be completely different from romanian which come from daco romans.thracian and greek languages were very different.think of french and italian. different substratum languages create different languages.
There was no Romanian language in 7th century BC. Both languages are influenced by ancient Latin. You should take into consideration the fact that prior to the Roman conquest, the region of Thrace was influenced by Hellenism for a long time. If you will look to all Thracian inscriptions, they are written using Greek letters. If you look to the architecture and garments of Thracians, you will see Hellenic influences.
@shockolanu well you admit that before christ the substratum south of the jirecek line is different.wiki"It is generally considered that sometime between 800 and 1,200 years ago, Vulgar Latin spoken in the Balkan provinces of the Roman Empire, which is also known as Proto-Eastern Romance, broke up into four languages"It makes perfect sense given therelation of languages.
1. "between 800 - 1200 years." That gives us a margin of 400 years? Many things can happen in one year, let alone in 400.
2. I consider that at the time mentioned by your quote, the formation of the languages already took place long ago and we are speaking here about adstratums that influenced the regions - Hunic, Slavic, Bulgarian, Germanic, etc.
@shockolanu it doesnt matter if it is 1200 or 1500 years.the point is that the vulgar latin from which aromanian and romanian came from was a single language meaning that the ancestors of both aromanians and romanians was a single people till a certain period.then they broke up and the language started to differentiate.Look everything is assumptions but my assumptions are rational and dont go against the facts which makes them more probable to be true than yours
Your statement is faulty. There is no proof that Daco-Romans and Macedo-Romans spoke the same language upon the Roman influence.
After the Barbaric Migrations the language of Daco-Romans changed dramatically by Avar and Bulgar influences, while the Macedo-Romans managed to keep theirs intact. We cannot compare the two dialects as we do not have records of the Daco-Roman language.
We can only assume that the current Romanian language was influenced by 400 years of Greek rule.
@shockolanu there were no macedo romans .no latinized people existed in south balkans a before at least 500.Macedo roman was an artificial term to denote the aromanians living in south balkans.it doesn t mean that the ancestors of aromanians ever lived in ancient macedonia.
OK, where did the Aromanians come from? By your statement, they are not Hellenes.
From Wikipedia:
629, Greek became the official language of the Eastern Roman Empire. This was in spite of the fact that the inhabitants of the empire still considered themselves Romaioi ("Romans") long after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. So, all the inhabitants of the Empire were Aromanians? This is the result I get from adding your statement with the wikipedia information.
@shockolanu the ancestors of aromanians were living in the north balkans probably in the region of moesia. they were thus thracians with some illyrian admixture.in ancient moesia even celts had quite significant populations After the romans came they were latinized and admixed with romans greeks and others.at some point probably at the time of slavic invasion became transhumant and move southward.those who came to greece admixed with greeks so they have partial greek ancestry.
@shockolanu the ancestors of aromanians were latinized in northern balkans north of the jirecek line and went south probably in the turmoil of slavic invasion.since then aromanian language took many loanwords from greek .greek language has an adstratum influence on aromanian not a substratum one . dont be like those idiots who believe their own lies.and something else. illyrians came from troy?what are you guys reading over there.
I do not believe in the theory of Jirecek Line. The Aromanian language emerged from the Latinization of local populations (as you said, different substratum, different language resulted). I do not see why you are implying that I believe my own lies. What I say is the result of my own research. There is no record of Vlahic populations migrating south when Slavs arrived. It is recorded that they retreated to the mountains and forests, keeping their language and customs intact.
@shockolanu well the degree of difference must be proptional to the difference of substratum languages(greek and dacian).greek was completely different from dacian it even belonged to another indoeuropean branch.greek was centum dacian satem.aromanian and romanian are related very much.if there was a neolatin idiom derived from greek it would be very distant to romanian.you can see how the dalmatian idiom which no longer exists differs.
You should be aware that Geto-Dacians were influenced by the Greek colonists whom settled in Histria, Tomis and Callatis. You should know that the Geto-Dacians employed the Phalanx battle formation - clear proof of Hellenic influence. If you will look to the way Dacians dressed, you will see that they wore a kind of foustanellas in ancient times, just like the Greeks. A clear proof that the dressing was not brought here by Romans, but the dress was already here.
@shockolanu that doesn t prove that the dacian language was significantly affected by greek.We and the chinese ware the same clothes now but it doesn t anything about language.
What Indo-European? India is very far away from Europe. Can't you tell that Indo-Europeans are in fact a myth? I'd rather believe the story about Troy than the idea that there were Indian migratory people whom influenced the region.
You are ready to believe that Celts are Indo-Europeans? Who the hell found Celts in India and what is the connection?
My friend, you need to think with your own mind, not just to read what other idiots think is true.
@shockolanu haha they werent gypsies dont be afraid.the term IE was introduced on the discovery that languages like greek indian german russian celtic were all related because most words had the same roots. that means that at prehistoric years there was one people that expanded abd spread his language.it doesnt mean that they set off from india.most probable is that they were living in modern day ukraine.
@shockolanu so you say that you are more aromanian that @ultraV1r who is aromanian from greece?
Come on @shockolanu you are wrong!Stop with this pride attitude of yours and do serious historical research. You will find out that @ultraV1r is right in what he sais, and you @shockolanu are spreading greek propaganda because you don't know or you don't want to know real history.
In Greece there are many diferent ethnic groups, aromanian, bulgarian, albanian, that are different from ethnic greeks.
What Ethnic Greeks? There is no such thing as Ethnic Greek. Bulgarians, Turks and Albanians are foreign minorities in Greece. Aromanians are Greeks from Late Ancient - Early Medieval times.
They are citizens of Greece and they have Greek nationality, but are foreigners.
Stop trying to trick people into thinking that Romania is a country or a nation. You are Gypsies mixed with Slavs, Bulgars and Huns (Avars).
@shockolanu As usual, you make disgusting grek and anti romanian propaganda, so from now on i will just ignore you an your lies.
Romania has minorities, Greece has minorities.
Aromanians are a branch od romanians. Even the name sais it and the same language also.
You are in my ignore list because you act like a fanatic. Even ultraV1r tried to explain you things, but you ignored it all because of your helenic fanaticism.
Greek? You dare speak about Greeks? Do you have any idea who wrote the poem that this gentleman is reciting? - Vasile Alecsandri - half Greek, by mother.
Greece has minorities and are recognized as such. Aromanians of Greece should not be considered a minority in their own country, but they should be considered what they are - a late ancient and early medieval population that managed to keep it's cultural traits intact.
ultraV1r should see about thinking with his own mind, not reproducing what idiots and Romanian propagandists have lied about.
Hellenic fanaticism? Isn't the man in the video a Hellenic fanatic for reciting a poem written by a man of Hellenic ancestry? Oh, I know, you thought Alecsandri is Romanian...
And how about the Romanians whom act like Gypsies and say that Mihai Viteazul was Romanian when in fact his mother was pure Greek?
You fail to take into account some very important factors that influenced Daco-Romanian language after it's forming.
1. Many Latinised populations fled during the Ottoman conquest from the Balkans, north, to Wallachia and Moldavia.
2. At the point in which Wallachia and Moldavia fell in Ottoman hands, they requested to be ruled by Greeks from Constantinople (Phanariotes), those people influenced the Romanian language and culture A LOT. Now I must ask, does substratum counts?
@shockolanu 1 may be correct and i believe it applies mostly to northern balkans populations.
2 I dont find it possible that the greek speaking(not aromanian speaking) phanariotes could drastically change the romanian language and had something like that happene romanian would be very differnt today. if you know some greek you will notice how different among other things the phonology is between greek and east romance languages.
1. Is correct and normal, not just for the Northern Balkans but for all regions of the Eastern Roman Empire that were affected by the Ottoman Conquest = ALL.
2. Phanariotes were speakers of Graeco-Roman language. I am learning Greek and you'd be amazed how many common words you will find. Also, there are many archaic words that are common with Greek words but those are used in the country-side of Romania. Indeed the phonology differs a little.
@shockolanu what do you mean by greco roman language?phanariotes were greek mainly from peloponnese and trebizond originally.The language spoken in byzantine empiure was pure greek there are many authors from that period to see what they were speaking.
@shockolanu i haven t heard of greco-roman language as you mentioned previously.with pure greek i mean a greek language in contrast to what i though you meant with greco roman
You can easily consider Greco-Roman the Aromanian language, because it is given by the mix of Latin with Greek.
I call Greco-Roman everything that was influenced at first by Hellenism and later by Romans (Latins). Example of Greco-Romans - the Phanariotes.
You cannot consider that the late antiquity and early medieval Greek was pure, because at that time, the Latin language already had a huge influence on ancient Greek.
@shockolanu that s exactly what i was afraid you mean.No language had a huge influence on greek at least lexically and grammatically .If somebodys mind is working he can understand perfectly even plato.Other authors are easy.
I'm sorry you consider this... The Greek language was influenced by many languages and you can notice the influences today in the modern Greek language.
Also, the medieval Greek language was adopted by the Byzantine Empire around 600 AD. For around 300 years the language officially spoken in the Empire was Latin.
@shockolanu modern greek has very little foreign words comparatively to other languages.the grammar is like simplified ancient greek grammar.the syntax though changed a bit more.but there is not significant latin influence in any aspect of greek.
@shockolanu illyrians thracians and greeks were indoeuropean peoples who came from the north and spread their languages to peoples of probably anatolian and near eastern stock.these things about troy are mythical. macedonians if we believe herodotus were a greek tribe from pieria that subjugated neighbouring thracian and illyrian poulations.their kings though were greeks from argos .
I strongly believe that Illyrians came from Troy and I did research in this direction too. Illium = Troy. Dardania comes from Dardan and Dardanians was one of the names of Trojans. Why would those names be borrowed by foreigners? You should not forget that the Roman Emperors claimed to descend from people whom fled Troy upon it's destruction.
I consider that Troy is not a mythical city nor it's destruction a mythical story.
Why shouldn't we believe Herodotus? Illyrians, Thracians and Hellenes have a common root that can be found on the coast of Asia Minor.
My opinion is that Thracians migrated around 2000 BC (beginning of Bronze Age) and Illyrians around 1200-1100 BC - destruction of Troy. I also suppose that this is what triggered the Return of the Herakleides (Dorian migration from North back to South).
Given local influences and time difference, they formed different cultures.
@shockolanu wiki"It is generally proposed that a proto-Thracian people developed from a mixture of indigenous peoples and Indo-Europeans from the time of Proto-Indo-European expansion in the Early Bronze Age when the latter around 1500 BC, conquered the indigenous peoples."Thracians spoke indoeuropean and there is a branch of science trying to find the origins of IE.It is not so easy to make claims about where they came fromYou certainly cannot base arguments on such uncetain claims
Nu stiu de unde ai scos-o pe asta cu Traco-Ilirii. In Dacia nu a fost picior de Illir. Geto-Dacii erau Traci amestecati cu Grecii colonisti de la Marea Neagra, influentati de culturi Celtice din Vest, precum Boii. Sfantul Andrei a crestinat zona cu vreo 50 de ani inainte de cucerirea Romana.
Sunt un mare fan al Istoriei Elene, implicit si al lui Alexandru.
Alexandru Macedon a fost si este Macedonean. Macedon a fost regat Elen, la fel ca Epir, nu regat Trac.
Zona dintre vărsarea Dravei în Dunăre până la Porțile de Fier, SV Olteniei și NV Bulgariei, parțial și Macedonia, este considerată ca zonă de interferență între traci și iliri.
Cauta pe Internet, wikipedia de exemplu.
Dacii erau un neam al tracilor.
Poporul român= traco-iliri romanizaţi prin convertirea la creştinism.
Alexandru Macedon, tatal sau Filip a 2-lea erau traci, nu greci.
Grecii eu fost mereu în război cu tracii în zona aia.
Etnogeneza unui popor migrator? Ilirii au venit in zona din Troia, dupa distrugerea orasului in faimosul razboi Troian (Illiria de la Illium = Troia si Dardania de la Dardani). Nu s-au stabilit doar in Balcani, ci au mers si in Italia de Sud. Imparatii imperiului Roman se considerau uramsii Troienilor.
Nu ai cum sa conectezi pe Illiri cu Traci. Crede-ma ca mi-am facut temele.
Crestinismul adus de Sfantul Andrei nu are legatura cu Roma.
Zona dintre vărsarea Dravei în Dunăre până la Porțile de Fier, SV Olteniei și NV Bulgariei, parțial și Macedonia, este considerată ca zonă de interferență între traci și iliri.
Românii din Timoc sunt cât se poate de români. Şi s-au format la zona de confluenţă dintre traci şi iliri şi romani.La fel şi cu aromânii.
Da, apostolul Andrei ne-a creştinat, dar creştinismul în zona traco-iliră s-a propovăduit în limba romană.
Du-te si te plimba amice. De fapt, nu te plimba ca e frig afara. Stai in casa si citeste si tu o carte de istorie.
Nu inteleg de ce tot vorbesti tu despre alti oameni. Noi, Aromanii stim destul de bine ce suntem, nu avem nevoie de un Roman care doar isi da cu parerea.
Romanii din Timoc sunt cat se poate de Sarbi. Daca nu ma crezi, uita-te pe buletinele lor.
Sfantul Andrei nu cunostea limba Latina. Cunostea Greaca foarte bine, de aceea a putut sa crestineze si Grecia.
Dar asta este adevarul. Timocenii sunt cetateni ai Serbiei. Ar trebuii sa ii numesc cetateni ai Romaniei cand de fapt nu sunt? Esti aberant amice.
Fac propaganda anti Bulgaro-Avara, pentru ca asta sunteti voi Romanii. Un neam Trac care a fost cotropit si si-a pierdut identitatea.
Daca nu ati fi fost condusi de Greco-Romanii Fanarioti ati fi fost Musulmani si ati fi vorbit Turceste. Maine-poimaine ne ziceti ca de fapt Fanariotii au fost Romani, nu Greci....
O mica observatie... cred ca si voi, Romanii, la fel ca cei din Fosta Iugoslavie aveti o problema cu continuitatea zonala a Macedo-Romanilor si a Grecilor. Imi pare rau pentru voi, asta va dovedeste slabiciunea.
Sa nu uitam anumite caracteristici ale limbilor respective - Limba Romana are mult mai multe influente de origini Slave, Bulgare, Maghiare si Turcice decat limba Aromana, iar limba Aromana pastreaza caracteristici ale limbii Elene antice.
Romanii = Traci Romanizati, cuceriti de Avari, apoi de Bulgari, Tatari, influentati de Cumani.
Sa nu uiti ca bravul erou Roman Mihai Viteazul era pe jumatate Grec, inrudit cu imparatul imperiului Roman de Est.
Ilirii, dupa cum am spus, sunt un popor migrator care s-a stabilit in zona in urma distrugerii Troiei. Chiar daca tu nu vrei sa accepti aceste lucruri, nu le face neadevarate.
Cat despre Alexandru si Filip, esti prea mic sa vorbesti despre oameni mari a caror istorie a fost deja scrisa.
Alexandru a cucerit Tracia, nu a fost numit liderul sau, dar in Grecia a fost numit Hegemonul Ligii Elene, la fel ca si tatal sau. Asta nu stiai, sau preferai sa ascunzi informatia pentru ca este in detrimentul tau?
Cat despre Iliri, Macedonul a fost scutul Greciei antice impotriva invaziei Ilire in nenumarate randuri, dar si vad ca preferi sa nu mentionezi.
Si inca un lucru. In cazul in care crezi ca Tracii ar fi o populatie Proto-Balcanica, te inseli. Tracii au migrat in zona in jurul anului 2000 Ien (inceputul erei bronzului in zona). Ca si origini, ii poti considera Eleni Ionieini din Asia Mica.
Singura legatura intre Illiri si Traci este locul de unde au venit (Asia Mica - zona Troiei) numai ca ii desparte in jur de 1000 de ani in care culturile au apucat-o cai diferite. Illir=Om venit din Illium = Troia.
Ce s-a putut acu' 130 de ani (şcoli româneşti în Balcani) nu se mai poate acum. Otomanii musulmani erau mai toleranţi decât fraţii întru credinţa ortodoxă.
Rudele mele ramase in Grecia ( zona Salonicului ) erau dascali acolo . Cand s-au desfintat scolile au venit aici ca sa impiedice lucrul asta , insa degeaba . Nu stiu ce origine credeau ca au insa vorbeau romaneste mai bine decat bunicul meu ( care nu stia nicio boaba de romaneasca cand a venit aici )
Foarte frumos, insa am dubii ca romanii au vrut sa ii salveze pe armani de la pierire prin scolile deschise acolo. Se incearca o integrare sistematica a noastra in romanism, desi principalele aspecte ce separa doua natiuni sunt limba si istoria (vezi Portughezi-Catalani-Spanioli, Olandezi-Germani, Provencali-Francezi, Romanshi-Italieni-Sardinieni-Corsicani). Nu e totul alb sau negru.
Scolile au fost o idee aromaneasca a celor din Societatea de Cultura Macedo-Romana. Statul Roman a dovedit superficialitate si nu a zgandarit prea mult regatele vecine. Toti dascalii erau aromani, scoala s-a facut si in dialect. Dovada a daruirii dascalilor este placerea cu care batranii din Grecia isi aduc aminte de ei si simpatia pe care o au pentru romani. Multi se considera romani din motive nu doar de limba sau istorie.Probabil ca e mai bine sa fii departe ca sa poti pricepe apropierea.
Foarte frumos, insa am dubii ca grecii au vrut sa ii salveze pe armani de la pierire prin scolile deschise acolo. Se incearca o integrare sistematica a voastra in elenism, desi principalele aspecte ce separa doua natiuni sunt limba si istoria (vezi Rusi, Francezi, Americani, Aborigeni si Africani). Nu e totul asa de gri.
Mi-a placut cum ai rastalmacit commentul.:) Nu vreau sa intru in polemici. Insa nici nu consider ca suntem Romani, dar frati cu ei da. Suntem parte a romanitatii orientale.
Îmi pare bine că apreciezi gluma mea... E o glumă în condiţiile în care şi tu ai făcut una... Dar, dacă ar fi să lăsăm deoparte slavismul balcanic putem vedea că peninsula Balcanică are 2 influente culturale majore şi autohtone: Romanitatea Orientală, cum îi zici tu - eu îi zic Românism - şi Elenismul. Aceste arii de influenţe culturale nu coincid cu graniţele unor state.
@horiababu Nu există "cele două naţiuni". Oricum s-ar lua, aromânii nu constituie o naţiune. Cei mai mulţi se consideră greci în Grecia, macedoneni în Macedonia, români în România - ceea ce şi sunt. Aromânii fie vor fi parte românismului fie nu vor fi deloc. Nimeni nu are vreun interes în existenţa lor înafară de români. Cu poezii şi cântece populare nu faci o limbă şi o naţiune.
Datorita propagandei facuta de Romania in Grecia si alte tari balcanice acum credeti ca ne-ati prostit pe toti?
Stati linistiti, Rumanii sunt Rumani, nu Romani. Rum = Elen Medieval, Nu Romanii au dat dinastie de imparati bizantului (dinastia Macedoneana) ci Rumanii.
Imi pare rau sa vad astfel de commenturi iredentiste venind din partea Romanilor, cand si voi sunteti atacati de iredentismul Maghiar. Trist...
i am greek aromanian.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r Aduchescu. Să hii ghini!
Easti ghini că ştii istorie.
Multă sănătate!
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
historical truth : the romanian people = thracian-ilyrians romanized by converting to christianity.
That's why the romanian people formed both the north and south of the Danube.
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@ADiamandi
În locul tău i-aş da bann acestui trădător de ţară şi neam @shockolanu i-aş şterge toate commenturile neruşinate în care îşi bate joc de neamul nostru şi nu l-as lăsa să îmi polueze canalul cu minciunile lui dezgustătoare.
Vezi că el este fanatic anti-român şi fanatic grecoman.
Felicitări pentru video-urile de pe canalul tău şi nu mai lăsa asemenea specimene să îţi otrăvească video-urile cu asemenea comentarii!
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Tradator de tara si neam? Eu nu ma confund cu voi Romanii, doar voi incercati sa va confundati cu ai mei. Stii cum am ajuns eu aici? Bunicii mei au fost stramutati din Grecia de catre Monarhiile Germane ale Romaniei si respectiv Greciei. Au fost mintiti ca suntem Romani, prin propaganda mizerabila predata in scolile infiintate de Romania in Grecia. Au fost dusi in Cadrilater ca sa populeze zona cu asa-zisi Romani. Mai scuteste-ma cu mincinile si prostiile tale, tigane.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Daca voi, Romanii ati avea macar un strop de sange comun cu Macedo-Romanii, l-ati fi dat de mult jos pe Basescu care e un Tatar mizerabil. Dar nu, voi va complaceti in mizerie, deci nu va confundati cu populatii superioare de care va leaga doar obiceiuri si limba implementate de conducerea Greco-Romana Fanariota.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist you are a fascist
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r you shouldn't offend people like that, learn romanian and if you knew romanian you would have understood that what i said was not at all like you thought.
the only one fanatic here is the greeko-maniac shockolanu.
Aromanians, Megleno-Romanians, Vlachs from Serbian and Bulgarian Timoc, Istro-Romanians from Croatia are all branches of THE ROMANIAN PEOPLE, and it is not at all fascism to say this historic truth.
Fascism is to deny it and to try to make them all greek.
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist what i understood is that you prompted adiamiandi to erase shockolanu s comments and ban him.everybody is allowed to have his opinion.in my country preventing people to talk is considered fascism.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r That was the last message at the end of a long line of messages where all that he did was to hate speech the romanians. He hates our people, and that's why i told adiamandi to bann him,for hate speach reasons.The hate speach and discrimination of any nationality,in our case here the romanians shoud not be permeted anywhere.I am opened to free discussions, and the opinions are free to have, but the limit is where shokolanu starts to severily insult my nation
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist something else. behaviours like yours in such a video that is uploaded by somebody who uses the name of an axis collaborator do not help anyone.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r I really did not know that. For me it is just a nick, I did not know it is the name of any historic figure.
Where are you from? And are you aromanian,greek, bulgarian, albanian?
You must be from the balkan area if you know so much of the history there.
Cheers!
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu să ştii că nu @adinaandmarius spune prostii în comment-uri ci tu.
Propaganda vine din partea Greciei minte ca toţi oamenii din Grecia sunt greci.
Rum(Rom) - Râm : Vine de la ROMA.
De acolo şi ROMÂN, REMEN, ARMÂN, Istro-Român, Megleno-Român, Aromân.
Strainii ne numeau Vlahi-Valahi pe toţi.
Poporul ROMÂN = TRACO-ILIRI ROMANIZAŢI prin convertirea la creştinism.
P.S. Văd că eşti mare fan al lui ALEXANDRU MACEDON.
El a fost TRAC, NU GREC asa cum susţine propaganda grecească.
VlachArtist 3 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@VlachArtist
Normal ca toti oamenii din Grecia sunt Greci, doar nu or fi Chiezi.
Rum vine de la Roma dar nu ai cum sa consideri ca Daco-Romanii sunt acelasi lucru cu Greco-Romanii. Plus de asta, Rhomania este numele imperiului Roman de Est (Greco Roman).
Intradevar, strainii ne numeau Vlahi pe toti. La un moment dat Papa i-a scris Imparatului Rhomaniei spunandu-i ca nu au voie sa se considere Romani, pentru ca i-au catalogat pe Romani ca si barbari. De aici A-Roman....
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu NU! Nu toţi oamenii din Grecia sunt Greci la fel cum nici toţi oamenii din România sunt români.
EXISTĂ ŞI MINORITĂŢI NAŢIONALE!!!!!
De exemplu în Grecia mai trăiesc pe lângă greci si bulgari, aromâni, albanezi, minorităţi pe care grecii încearcă cu disperare să le grecizeze,
Afirmaţia cum că Grecia este 100% greacă este o propagandă grecească dezgustătoare.
Imperiul Roman de Răsărit sau Romania nu a fost doar grec , au fost si romani si alte neamuri acolo.
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Ba da amice, poti sa te duci sa te uiti pe buletinele lor. Cu totii au Nationalitate Elena.
Ei sunt liberi sa isi practice propiile obiceiuri si sa vorbeasca intre ei limba pe care o au din strabuni.
Amice, Aromanii nu sunt o minoritate in propia tara. Aromanii sunt Grecii din timpul Imperiului Bizantin. Maine-poimaine o sa ne minti ca de fapt Dinastia Macedoneana a Imperiului a fost de fapt de origini Romane si au venit de la Bucuresti.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu
Cum să fie mă greci când vorbesc româneşte?
Între greacă şi aromână este o prăpastrie imensa.
Între română şi aromână apropierea este atât de mare încât doar un grecoman fanatic poate să spună că aromânii sunt greci şi nu români.
Ţi-am explicat clar unde trăiau ilirii, că dacii erau neam cu tracii şi creştinismul s-a predicat în romana la oi, şi de ce
POPORUL ROMÂN = TRACO-ILIRI ROMANIZAŢI PRIN CONVERTIREA LA CREŞTINISM.
Citeşte studiile pr Dumitru Stăniloaie despre asta
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
In caz ca nu cunosti limba Greaca, iti spun eu... exista nenumarate cuvinte comune cu limba Romana. Faptul ca Armanii au fost influentati de imperiul Roman, nu ii face Daco-Romani. Noi suntem Macedo-Romani.
Da, Dacii erau neam cu Tracii asta nu pot nega.
Nu ma intereseaza studiile altor oameni, nu am nevoie de Romani care isi dau cu parerea. Odata cu continuitatea limbii, ne-am pastrat si identitatea. De aceea nu o sa ne confundam cu Daco-Romanii.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu linguists have proved that aromanian and romanian were separated in about 7th century bc.those languages have much in common.If aromanians were greco romans as you claim then their language would be completely different from romanian which come from daco romans.thracian and greek languages were very different.think of french and italian. different substratum languages create different languages.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
There was no Romanian language in 7th century BC. Both languages are influenced by ancient Latin. You should take into consideration the fact that prior to the Roman conquest, the region of Thrace was influenced by Hellenism for a long time. If you will look to all Thracian inscriptions, they are written using Greek letters. If you look to the architecture and garments of Thracians, you will see Hellenic influences.
You are right, different substratum.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu well you admit that before christ the substratum south of the jirecek line is different.wiki"It is generally considered that sometime between 800 and 1,200 years ago, Vulgar Latin spoken in the Balkan provinces of the Roman Empire, which is also known as Proto-Eastern Romance, broke up into four languages"It makes perfect sense given therelation of languages.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
I wouldn't trust wiki so much if I were you.
1. "between 800 - 1200 years." That gives us a margin of 400 years? Many things can happen in one year, let alone in 400.
2. I consider that at the time mentioned by your quote, the formation of the languages already took place long ago and we are speaking here about adstratums that influenced the regions - Hunic, Slavic, Bulgarian, Germanic, etc.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu it doesnt matter if it is 1200 or 1500 years.the point is that the vulgar latin from which aromanian and romanian came from was a single language meaning that the ancestors of both aromanians and romanians was a single people till a certain period.then they broke up and the language started to differentiate.Look everything is assumptions but my assumptions are rational and dont go against the facts which makes them more probable to be true than yours
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
Your statement is faulty. There is no proof that Daco-Romans and Macedo-Romans spoke the same language upon the Roman influence.
After the Barbaric Migrations the language of Daco-Romans changed dramatically by Avar and Bulgar influences, while the Macedo-Romans managed to keep theirs intact. We cannot compare the two dialects as we do not have records of the Daco-Roman language.
We can only assume that the current Romanian language was influenced by 400 years of Greek rule.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu there were no macedo romans .no latinized people existed in south balkans a before at least 500.Macedo roman was an artificial term to denote the aromanians living in south balkans.it doesn t mean that the ancestors of aromanians ever lived in ancient macedonia.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
OK, where did the Aromanians come from? By your statement, they are not Hellenes.
From Wikipedia:
629, Greek became the official language of the Eastern Roman Empire. This was in spite of the fact that the inhabitants of the empire still considered themselves Romaioi ("Romans") long after the fall of the Western Roman Empire. So, all the inhabitants of the Empire were Aromanians? This is the result I get from adding your statement with the wikipedia information.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu the ancestors of aromanians were living in the north balkans probably in the region of moesia. they were thus thracians with some illyrian admixture.in ancient moesia even celts had quite significant populations After the romans came they were latinized and admixed with romans greeks and others.at some point probably at the time of slavic invasion became transhumant and move southward.those who came to greece admixed with greeks so they have partial greek ancestry.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu the ancestors of aromanians were latinized in northern balkans north of the jirecek line and went south probably in the turmoil of slavic invasion.since then aromanian language took many loanwords from greek .greek language has an adstratum influence on aromanian not a substratum one . dont be like those idiots who believe their own lies.and something else. illyrians came from troy?what are you guys reading over there.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
I do not believe in the theory of Jirecek Line. The Aromanian language emerged from the Latinization of local populations (as you said, different substratum, different language resulted). I do not see why you are implying that I believe my own lies. What I say is the result of my own research. There is no record of Vlahic populations migrating south when Slavs arrived. It is recorded that they retreated to the mountains and forests, keeping their language and customs intact.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu well the degree of difference must be proptional to the difference of substratum languages(greek and dacian).greek was completely different from dacian it even belonged to another indoeuropean branch.greek was centum dacian satem.aromanian and romanian are related very much.if there was a neolatin idiom derived from greek it would be very distant to romanian.you can see how the dalmatian idiom which no longer exists differs.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
You should be aware that Geto-Dacians were influenced by the Greek colonists whom settled in Histria, Tomis and Callatis. You should know that the Geto-Dacians employed the Phalanx battle formation - clear proof of Hellenic influence. If you will look to the way Dacians dressed, you will see that they wore a kind of foustanellas in ancient times, just like the Greeks. A clear proof that the dressing was not brought here by Romans, but the dress was already here.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu that doesn t prove that the dacian language was significantly affected by greek.We and the chinese ware the same clothes now but it doesn t anything about language.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
I have a common word for you in Dacian. Bou = Ox. Bouchephalos tells you anything?
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu you will be amazed about similar words in all indoeuropean languages.simple example mitir gr. mother mutter mere pater father patir
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
What Indo-European? India is very far away from Europe. Can't you tell that Indo-Europeans are in fact a myth? I'd rather believe the story about Troy than the idea that there were Indian migratory people whom influenced the region.
You are ready to believe that Celts are Indo-Europeans? Who the hell found Celts in India and what is the connection?
My friend, you need to think with your own mind, not just to read what other idiots think is true.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu haha they werent gypsies dont be afraid.the term IE was introduced on the discovery that languages like greek indian german russian celtic were all related because most words had the same roots. that means that at prehistoric years there was one people that expanded abd spread his language.it doesnt mean that they set off from india.most probable is that they were living in modern day ukraine.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
In all your last three comments you are wrong. Do the research on your own and you'll find the truth.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu so you say that you are more aromanian that @ultraV1r who is aromanian from greece?
Come on @shockolanu you are wrong!Stop with this pride attitude of yours and do serious historical research. You will find out that @ultraV1r is right in what he sais, and you @shockolanu are spreading greek propaganda because you don't know or you don't want to know real history.
In Greece there are many diferent ethnic groups, aromanian, bulgarian, albanian, that are different from ethnic greeks.
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@VlachArtist
Where is that statement of mine? He can be Aromanian from the Moon, the truth can be one and he can know it or not.
I am not wrong, I did my research long time ago, I don't need to do it again.
I am not spreading Greek propaganda, I am countering the Romanian propaganda against other populations of the region.
There is no such thing as Ethnic Greeks. All inhabitants of Greece have been influenced by Ancient and Medieval Hellenism, thus, they are Hellenes.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu Every word you say is greek propaganda.
IN GREECE THERE ARE BULGARIANS, ALBANIANS, AROMANIANS, TURKS, AND THEY ARE NOT ETHNIC GREEKS.
THEY ARE JUST CITIZENS OF GREECE BUT OF A DIFFERENT NATIONALITY.
THEY ARE ETHNIC MYNORITIES!
Stop the pathetic greek propaganda, please!
In every state there are ethnic minorities, and YES, this includes GREECE!
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
@VlachArtist
What Ethnic Greeks? There is no such thing as Ethnic Greek. Bulgarians, Turks and Albanians are foreign minorities in Greece. Aromanians are Greeks from Late Ancient - Early Medieval times.
They are citizens of Greece and they have Greek nationality, but are foreigners.
Stop trying to trick people into thinking that Romania is a country or a nation. You are Gypsies mixed with Slavs, Bulgars and Huns (Avars).
I know, because I live here.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu As usual, you make disgusting grek and anti romanian propaganda, so from now on i will just ignore you an your lies.
Romania has minorities, Greece has minorities.
Aromanians are a branch od romanians. Even the name sais it and the same language also.
You are in my ignore list because you act like a fanatic. Even ultraV1r tried to explain you things, but you ignored it all because of your helenic fanaticism.
Discussing with such a man like you is pointless.
VlachArtist 1 week ago
@VlachArtist
Greek? You dare speak about Greeks? Do you have any idea who wrote the poem that this gentleman is reciting? - Vasile Alecsandri - half Greek, by mother.
Greece has minorities and are recognized as such. Aromanians of Greece should not be considered a minority in their own country, but they should be considered what they are - a late ancient and early medieval population that managed to keep it's cultural traits intact.
shockolanu 1 week ago
@VlachArtist
ultraV1r should see about thinking with his own mind, not reproducing what idiots and Romanian propagandists have lied about.
Hellenic fanaticism? Isn't the man in the video a Hellenic fanatic for reciting a poem written by a man of Hellenic ancestry? Oh, I know, you thought Alecsandri is Romanian...
And how about the Romanians whom act like Gypsies and say that Mihai Viteazul was Romanian when in fact his mother was pure Greek?
Stop trying to steal our name & history
shockolanu 1 week ago
@ultraV1r
You fail to take into account some very important factors that influenced Daco-Romanian language after it's forming.
1. Many Latinised populations fled during the Ottoman conquest from the Balkans, north, to Wallachia and Moldavia.
2. At the point in which Wallachia and Moldavia fell in Ottoman hands, they requested to be ruled by Greeks from Constantinople (Phanariotes), those people influenced the Romanian language and culture A LOT. Now I must ask, does substratum counts?
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu 1 may be correct and i believe it applies mostly to northern balkans populations.
2 I dont find it possible that the greek speaking(not aromanian speaking) phanariotes could drastically change the romanian language and had something like that happene romanian would be very differnt today. if you know some greek you will notice how different among other things the phonology is between greek and east romance languages.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
1. Is correct and normal, not just for the Northern Balkans but for all regions of the Eastern Roman Empire that were affected by the Ottoman Conquest = ALL.
2. Phanariotes were speakers of Graeco-Roman language. I am learning Greek and you'd be amazed how many common words you will find. Also, there are many archaic words that are common with Greek words but those are used in the country-side of Romania. Indeed the phonology differs a little.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu what do you mean by greco roman language?phanariotes were greek mainly from peloponnese and trebizond originally.The language spoken in byzantine empiure was pure greek there are many authors from that period to see what they were speaking.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
What Pure Greek? Anna Comemnos wrote in ancient Greek. The languages spoken in the Byzantine Empire are:
Vulgar Latin languages, Latin, Geek (of different dialects, depending on the region), Slavic, Bulgarian, etc.
All the Phanariote Rulers of Wallachia and Moldavia spoke many languages, being trained in the prestigious schools of Constantinople.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu i haven t heard of greco-roman language as you mentioned previously.with pure greek i mean a greek language in contrast to what i though you meant with greco roman
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
You can easily consider Greco-Roman the Aromanian language, because it is given by the mix of Latin with Greek.
I call Greco-Roman everything that was influenced at first by Hellenism and later by Romans (Latins). Example of Greco-Romans - the Phanariotes.
You cannot consider that the late antiquity and early medieval Greek was pure, because at that time, the Latin language already had a huge influence on ancient Greek.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu that s exactly what i was afraid you mean.No language had a huge influence on greek at least lexically and grammatically .If somebodys mind is working he can understand perfectly even plato.Other authors are easy.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
I'm sorry you consider this... The Greek language was influenced by many languages and you can notice the influences today in the modern Greek language.
Also, the medieval Greek language was adopted by the Byzantine Empire around 600 AD. For around 300 years the language officially spoken in the Empire was Latin.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu modern greek has very little foreign words comparatively to other languages.the grammar is like simplified ancient greek grammar.the syntax though changed a bit more.but there is not significant latin influence in any aspect of greek.
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu illyrians thracians and greeks were indoeuropean peoples who came from the north and spread their languages to peoples of probably anatolian and near eastern stock.these things about troy are mythical. macedonians if we believe herodotus were a greek tribe from pieria that subjugated neighbouring thracian and illyrian poulations.their kings though were greeks from argos .
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
I strongly believe that Illyrians came from Troy and I did research in this direction too. Illium = Troy. Dardania comes from Dardan and Dardanians was one of the names of Trojans. Why would those names be borrowed by foreigners? You should not forget that the Roman Emperors claimed to descend from people whom fled Troy upon it's destruction.
I consider that Troy is not a mythical city nor it's destruction a mythical story.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
Why shouldn't we believe Herodotus? Illyrians, Thracians and Hellenes have a common root that can be found on the coast of Asia Minor.
My opinion is that Thracians migrated around 2000 BC (beginning of Bronze Age) and Illyrians around 1200-1100 BC - destruction of Troy. I also suppose that this is what triggered the Return of the Herakleides (Dorian migration from North back to South).
Given local influences and time difference, they formed different cultures.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu wiki"It is generally proposed that a proto-Thracian people developed from a mixture of indigenous peoples and Indo-Europeans from the time of Proto-Indo-European expansion in the Early Bronze Age when the latter around 1500 BC, conquered the indigenous peoples."Thracians spoke indoeuropean and there is a branch of science trying to find the origins of IE.It is not so easy to make claims about where they came fromYou certainly cannot base arguments on such uncetain claims
ultraV1r 2 weeks ago
@ultraV1r
If you need to find the origins of Thracians, all you have to do is observe their cultural traits.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Nu stiu de unde ai scos-o pe asta cu Traco-Ilirii. In Dacia nu a fost picior de Illir. Geto-Dacii erau Traci amestecati cu Grecii colonisti de la Marea Neagra, influentati de culturi Celtice din Vest, precum Boii. Sfantul Andrei a crestinat zona cu vreo 50 de ani inainte de cucerirea Romana.
Sunt un mare fan al Istoriei Elene, implicit si al lui Alexandru.
Alexandru Macedon a fost si este Macedonean. Macedon a fost regat Elen, la fel ca Epir, nu regat Trac.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu
Etnogeneza ILIRILOR
Zona dintre vărsarea Dravei în Dunăre până la Porțile de Fier, SV Olteniei și NV Bulgariei, parțial și Macedonia, este considerată ca zonă de interferență între traci și iliri.
Cauta pe Internet, wikipedia de exemplu.
Dacii erau un neam al tracilor.
Poporul român= traco-iliri romanizaţi prin convertirea la creştinism.
Alexandru Macedon, tatal sau Filip a 2-lea erau traci, nu greci.
Grecii eu fost mereu în război cu tracii în zona aia.
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Etnogeneza unui popor migrator? Ilirii au venit in zona din Troia, dupa distrugerea orasului in faimosul razboi Troian (Illiria de la Illium = Troia si Dardania de la Dardani). Nu s-au stabilit doar in Balcani, ci au mers si in Italia de Sud. Imparatii imperiului Roman se considerau uramsii Troienilor.
Nu ai cum sa conectezi pe Illiri cu Traci. Crede-ma ca mi-am facut temele.
Crestinismul adus de Sfantul Andrei nu are legatura cu Roma.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu
ILIRII SE GĂSEAU AICI
Zona dintre vărsarea Dravei în Dunăre până la Porțile de Fier, SV Olteniei și NV Bulgariei, parțial și Macedonia, este considerată ca zonă de interferență între traci și iliri.
Românii din Timoc sunt cât se poate de români. Şi s-au format la zona de confluenţă dintre traci şi iliri şi romani.La fel şi cu aromânii.
Da, apostolul Andrei ne-a creştinat, dar creştinismul în zona traco-iliră s-a propovăduit în limba romană.
românii = traco-iliri romanizaţi
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Du-te si te plimba amice. De fapt, nu te plimba ca e frig afara. Stai in casa si citeste si tu o carte de istorie.
Nu inteleg de ce tot vorbesti tu despre alti oameni. Noi, Aromanii stim destul de bine ce suntem, nu avem nevoie de un Roman care doar isi da cu parerea.
Romanii din Timoc sunt cat se poate de Sarbi. Daca nu ma crezi, uita-te pe buletinele lor.
Sfantul Andrei nu cunostea limba Latina. Cunostea Greaca foarte bine, de aceea a putut sa crestineze si Grecia.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@shockolanu
Dacă spui ca românii din Timoc sunt sârbi, atunci discuţia noastra se încheie aici.
Faci propagandă anti-românească şi discuţia cu tine nu mai are sens.
Tu nu ai argumente, doar propagandă ideologică neargumentata decat cu jumatăţi de adevaruri si frânturi scoase din context.
Asa că discuţia cu un asemenea propagandist ca tine nu are sens.
Porpaganda ta merge doar la fraierii care nu ştiu istorie,
Pentru noi restul oamenilor însă, gogosile tale mincinoase nu ai nicio valoare.
VlachArtist 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Dar asta este adevarul. Timocenii sunt cetateni ai Serbiei. Ar trebuii sa ii numesc cetateni ai Romaniei cand de fapt nu sunt? Esti aberant amice.
Fac propaganda anti Bulgaro-Avara, pentru ca asta sunteti voi Romanii. Un neam Trac care a fost cotropit si si-a pierdut identitatea.
Daca nu ati fi fost condusi de Greco-Romanii Fanarioti ati fi fost Musulmani si ati fi vorbit Turceste. Maine-poimaine ne ziceti ca de fapt Fanariotii au fost Romani, nu Greci....
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
O mica observatie... cred ca si voi, Romanii, la fel ca cei din Fosta Iugoslavie aveti o problema cu continuitatea zonala a Macedo-Romanilor si a Grecilor. Imi pare rau pentru voi, asta va dovedeste slabiciunea.
Sa nu uitam anumite caracteristici ale limbilor respective - Limba Romana are mult mai multe influente de origini Slave, Bulgare, Maghiare si Turcice decat limba Aromana, iar limba Aromana pastreaza caracteristici ale limbii Elene antice.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Romanii = Traci Romanizati, cuceriti de Avari, apoi de Bulgari, Tatari, influentati de Cumani.
Sa nu uiti ca bravul erou Roman Mihai Viteazul era pe jumatate Grec, inrudit cu imparatul imperiului Roman de Est.
Ilirii, dupa cum am spus, sunt un popor migrator care s-a stabilit in zona in urma distrugerii Troiei. Chiar daca tu nu vrei sa accepti aceste lucruri, nu le face neadevarate.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Cat despre Alexandru si Filip, esti prea mic sa vorbesti despre oameni mari a caror istorie a fost deja scrisa.
Alexandru a cucerit Tracia, nu a fost numit liderul sau, dar in Grecia a fost numit Hegemonul Ligii Elene, la fel ca si tatal sau. Asta nu stiai, sau preferai sa ascunzi informatia pentru ca este in detrimentul tau?
Cat despre Iliri, Macedonul a fost scutul Greciei antice impotriva invaziei Ilire in nenumarate randuri, dar si vad ca preferi sa nu mentionezi.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
@VlachArtist
Si inca un lucru. In cazul in care crezi ca Tracii ar fi o populatie Proto-Balcanica, te inseli. Tracii au migrat in zona in jurul anului 2000 Ien (inceputul erei bronzului in zona). Ca si origini, ii poti considera Eleni Ionieini din Asia Mica.
Singura legatura intre Illiri si Traci este locul de unde au venit (Asia Mica - zona Troiei) numai ca ii desparte in jur de 1000 de ani in care culturile au apucat-o cai diferite. Illir=Om venit din Illium = Troia.
shockolanu 2 weeks ago
Bravo frate aromân!
Ce ghini(bine) să aud graiul românesc acolo departe in munții aromânilor din Grecia!
(a)Românul nu piere(chiere)!
Capul sus și să nu vă pierdeți limba!
Doamne ajută fraților!
VlachArtist 4 months ago
as vrea sa adaug ca forma folosita de batran pentru "dorobanţ" este cea veche populara de "dărăban"
ADiamandi 1 year ago
frumos!
blanoz 1 year ago
Ce s-a putut acu' 130 de ani (şcoli româneşti în Balcani) nu se mai poate acum. Otomanii musulmani erau mai toleranţi decât fraţii întru credinţa ortodoxă.
adinaandmarius 1 year ago
exceptional! felicitari acestui domn!*****
Kayram121 1 year ago
Rudele mele ramase in Grecia ( zona Salonicului ) erau dascali acolo . Cand s-au desfintat scolile au venit aici ca sa impiedice lucrul asta , insa degeaba . Nu stiu ce origine credeau ca au insa vorbeau romaneste mai bine decat bunicul meu ( care nu stia nicio boaba de romaneasca cand a venit aici )
graamosteana1 2 years ago
Foarte frumos, insa am dubii ca romanii au vrut sa ii salveze pe armani de la pierire prin scolile deschise acolo. Se incearca o integrare sistematica a noastra in romanism, desi principalele aspecte ce separa doua natiuni sunt limba si istoria (vezi Portughezi-Catalani-Spanioli, Olandezi-Germani, Provencali-Francezi, Romanshi-Italieni-Sardinieni-Corsicani). Nu e totul alb sau negru.
5 steali di la mini.
horiababu 2 years ago
Scolile au fost o idee aromaneasca a celor din Societatea de Cultura Macedo-Romana. Statul Roman a dovedit superficialitate si nu a zgandarit prea mult regatele vecine. Toti dascalii erau aromani, scoala s-a facut si in dialect. Dovada a daruirii dascalilor este placerea cu care batranii din Grecia isi aduc aminte de ei si simpatia pe care o au pentru romani. Multi se considera romani din motive nu doar de limba sau istorie.Probabil ca e mai bine sa fii departe ca sa poti pricepe apropierea.
ADiamandi 2 years ago
Foarte frumos, insa am dubii ca grecii au vrut sa ii salveze pe armani de la pierire prin scolile deschise acolo. Se incearca o integrare sistematica a voastra in elenism, desi principalele aspecte ce separa doua natiuni sunt limba si istoria (vezi Rusi, Francezi, Americani, Aborigeni si Africani). Nu e totul asa de gri.
picanu 2 years ago
Mi-a placut cum ai rastalmacit commentul.:) Nu vreau sa intru in polemici. Insa nici nu consider ca suntem Romani, dar frati cu ei da. Suntem parte a romanitatii orientale.
Shi papule s'banedzi.
horiababu 2 years ago
Îmi pare bine că apreciezi gluma mea... E o glumă în condiţiile în care şi tu ai făcut una... Dar, dacă ar fi să lăsăm deoparte slavismul balcanic putem vedea că peninsula Balcanică are 2 influente culturale majore şi autohtone: Romanitatea Orientală, cum îi zici tu - eu îi zic Românism - şi Elenismul. Aceste arii de influenţe culturale nu coincid cu graniţele unor state.
picanu 2 years ago
Dacă aromânii nu se consideră greci - decât dacă au probleme acasă, atunci ei provin din sfera Românismului.
picanu 2 years ago
@horiababu Nu există "cele două naţiuni". Oricum s-ar lua, aromânii nu constituie o naţiune. Cei mai mulţi se consideră greci în Grecia, macedoneni în Macedonia, români în România - ceea ce şi sunt. Aromânii fie vor fi parte românismului fie nu vor fi deloc. Nimeni nu are vreun interes în existenţa lor înafară de români. Cu poezii şi cântece populare nu faci o limbă şi o naţiune.
adinaandmarius 1 year ago
@adinaandmarius
Numai prostii ai spus in commenturile tale.
Datorita propagandei facuta de Romania in Grecia si alte tari balcanice acum credeti ca ne-ati prostit pe toti?
Stati linistiti, Rumanii sunt Rumani, nu Romani. Rum = Elen Medieval, Nu Romanii au dat dinastie de imparati bizantului (dinastia Macedoneana) ci Rumanii.
Imi pare rau sa vad astfel de commenturi iredentiste venind din partea Romanilor, cand si voi sunteti atacati de iredentismul Maghiar. Trist...
shockolanu 2 months ago
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VlachArtist 3 weeks ago in playlist Liked videos
Dar ce dezinvolt e papu ăsta ! De parcă toată viaţa ar fi fost filmat ,fotografiat şi ar fi rostit poezii în public ! Îmi place de el !
tsaruhiazvarna 2 years ago 6
O bo, bo mana amea... Mi ficusi s'plângu paplu aestu... Easti di averu tsi vedu eu aoa???
Armânlu nu va s'chiară!! Nu va su'l alasi românlu!!
Aide papule tse mi ficushi adză...
5 steali pi umirlu atău!!!!
picanu 2 years ago 9
Măi ADiamandi armănul din video ştie poezia mai bine decăt tine ( şi mine ) !
tsaruhiazvarna 2 years ago 4