Zero: Techniques of the Past and Present (UMvC3)

[LiLAppleX]

You , Sir , have just made the awesome-est video ever.

Thank you so much for making this.

I shall now spazz over it again , BRB.

[TelicNotionX]

Filled with nostalgia. Great vid! Hope to see more of these compilations!

[coldplayasian]

So...did you ever beat all of the megaman x games?

[jmoonies]

@coldplayasian admittedly i lost patience with 8 before finishing. minus the gba renditions, i beat em all, including command mission

[coldplayasian]

@jmoonies that's impressive. Have you ever thought about playing the original megaman games?

[jmoonies]

@coldplayasian beat em all, including megaman and bass, except for the GB ports

[protobait420]

ALL ZERO PLAYER MUST STOP CALLING JUMPING C THE "PIZZA CUTTER"!!! IT IS CALLED KUUENZAN!!!!!!

[AzumangaFan13]

@protobait420 I've only heard people call V.Joe's j.D Pizza Cutter.

[JuanXZen]

awesomee!!



[edmondYJ]

Thumbs up if you played all the X series <3

[Hawaiianon]

no one cares

[DjKlzonez]

They used most of his PSX moves, yet they added the crappy X2 song, if they only used the X4 theme...

[SteamBoy27]

Dude you forgot the ground forward throw that looks like Rajingeki and how Sougenmu is made similar to "Heat Haze" in Command Mission!

But either way it was a superbly made thing for fans of the megaman series...speaking of megaman...

[Zerolimitless]

Rekkoha in that megaman X8 clip is close to the Hyper Animation in the game

by the way that Commander Yammark Weapon and Ouroboros rocks

[Zerolimitless]

so in other words the Zero in the Game is a combined concepts of all Zero's in the Megaman X Series (Megaman X up to X8) with the Awakened Zero mixed in?

[SuzakuFinix]

Zero's lights in U/MvC3 could come from his Z knuckle or whatever that weapon was from X8, I think. (If this wasn't already mentioned.)

[halofira7]

The rakkhouha is more an homage to the Tenshoha instead of the previous version.

[Entamrik]

This kind of ridiculous detail is why I love MvC3, I mean a move from X8, damn

I'd love to see one of Haggar, mainly cos I got the game to see Dante, but Haggar left me gobsmacked. Violent axe comes from Capcom All stars, other than that he be pretty easy

[MegaMarcoX15]

This is why I main Zero.

[BassFXero]

I believe Ouroboros came first, though.

[19012537]

I think there's a typo in the kanji for Sentsuizan. Should it be the same as Ryuenjin?

[GojiGuy]

Nice video, but isn't it kind of blasphemous to not mention that nearly EVERY move Zero has in MvC3 actually made its appearance in Tatsunoko vs Capcom first?

And lets not forget his wicked level 3 in that game... Genmu Zero is so lame it makes me cry... :(

Anyways, good work and nice research! This must have taken a lot of time!

[jmoonies]

@GojiGuy yeah, dark hold is fricken awesome it makes me super sad it wasn't included. Unfortunately I don't actually own tatsunoko, otherwise I would've considered adding those moves in as well :P

[GojiGuy]

@jmoonies oh well. Still a wicked video! :)

[Link1Dark]

@jmoonies Dark hold is awesome I got Tatsunoko vs. Capcom and I just loved it. They nerfed the level 3 of zero in umvc-3 that it makes me so sad and now I got to cry :(

[NewEraOutlaw]

@GojiGuy Dark Hold was awesome to look at, but it wasn't practical at all. Horrid damage scaling and you had to be up in the person's face to do it. Genmurei Zero is a much better Level 3 since it makes you invincible and cut through anything.

[BassFXero]

@NewEraOutlaw Dark hold hit at at least 1/4 screen. Not bad for a melee attack.

But I agree with the rest.

[NewEraOutlaw]

@BassFXero Genmurei Zero can hit from all the way across the screen. That trumps Dark Hold by a lot.

[GojiGuy]

@NewEraOutlaw Actually Dark Hold was very practical. You could hitconfirm it off practically anything. The only problem was the low damage given the amount of meter used. It was a great finisher.

Genmu is decent, but I could always see it coming from a mile and never found it worth spending 3 meter for. Though I will agree it is more practical.

[tokyobassist]

Zero has terrible health & requires a lot of dexterity to play if you're actually good. Complaining about his high priority is like complaining about charge characters having good normals in SF. Either that or you're a wack ass Wesker player...

[TehSilverShadow]

So when's megaman x HD collection coming out capcom? :D

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

@TehSilverShadow *facepalm* Since when did they even HINT at making that?

[Dwish305]

nice!

[glamarfll]

Nothing on how Zero blocks? If I recall it looks a lot like how he blocks in X2 & MHX

[Asathebeast101]

can u do 1 for frank west please



[TrafalgarWakka]

Awesome Job dude!

[darkkusanagi01]

7:05

Both Badass hunters

[n1hondude]

whenever Zero uses "Rekkouha" it freaking sounds like "Tenkuuha" ....

anyway, thanks for the video, I FREAKING LOVE ZERO!!!

[stopsignpeep]

Ammaterasu should have a vid like this.

[jmoonies]

@stopsignpeep if someone buys me okami, i'll do it. ;)

[shaolinotter]

I'd like to see a Dante video like this!

[jmoonies]

@shaolinotter hook me up with the DMC HD remake and I'll do one for all three characters (DMC 1 & 2 for Trish, DMC3 for Dante & Vergil) ;)

[Rikortez]

Same shit with vergil and dante.

[shadowkid1993]

capcom never went away, they just started charging more for the awesome games they make.

i dont blame them though, i would rather pay 150 for uMvC3 then 60 on a shit game like farcry 2

[SCARLETTERRA]

You should do one for Dante.

[Toomnyusernae]

Lotsa love to show this to everyone. I noticed a lot of similarities and I don't own the MVC3 games. Many thanks.

[artnos]

and the double jump was also in the X games, I played X and X4 and on so i dont know if x3 started the double jump with zero.

[jmoonies]

@artnos it was from X4 onwards actually....though weird how they didn't include the double jump in mvc3

[shadow2bolt]

You forgot the death animation. Or Cheerios as they are nicknamed.

[jmoonies]

@shadow2bolt is it really called cheerios?! I thought about putting it in, but it was fairly obvious. Also, I couldn't have his cool teleport away animation if he died

[shadow2bolt]

@jmoonies lol cheerios is just a joke name because of the breakfast cereal. Well it is one for completion sake for this video tbh since not everyone has played the Megaman series. It was your decision and it would look awkward if you suddenly include it or say "oops, missed death animation out".

[Dice12K]

Ya know,

in my point of view, The Megaman games, pretty much all of them, are a a whole lot of under-appreciated diamonds. D:

They had platforming levels, action fights during the levels where you can do whatever you want to destroy the robots, hidden items so you can discover it and figure out the secrets, and had AMAZING music.

They should remake them or re-release them again and make more!

If there are any complaints, it is that new people who play the game have a haaaard time. >.>;

[uchihayariX]

I think Strider's Ouroboros was the inspiration for the Yammar Option.

[Grahf]

That was great! Any Plans to do RE Characters?

[jmoonies]

@Grahf haha, get me the gold edition and I think we can work something out ;)

[TheSoulOfBasement15]

I appreciate you using his X Command Mission music, thought Sky Lagoon would've been great too. Anyway, awesome vid =]

[TheSoulOfBasement15]

HU HA HOOOOOOO

[Capconian]

This is something that I would personally want to see people do in the future, especially with marvel characters, Great job jmoonies!

[robin1613]

song @ 4:59 ????

[jmoonies]

@robin1613 megaman x command mission

[ZacUAX]

This is beautiful for people unfamiliar with Mega Man... but a seasoned vet like myself couldn't help but say 'duh' for most of the video :D

Good at you for including the buster shots though. I never looked close enough at those to notice.

[PJAStudios]

Ha, nice! I'm glad someone is doing this, as someone else was also working on Smash Bros movelist. Always nice and informative.

[Crysalim]

This video is amazingly edited. The only possible flaw I could think of is waiting a tiny bit of time after showing the text on the screen, before displaying the footage of the moves from the original games. But I had to think really hard to come up with that flaw! This vid rules!

[xMalcolm2x]

Holy crap this must of taken a lot of time. This is great! I was thinking of doing somethig like this with viewtiful joe since his moves are easy but im too lazy lol.

[jmoonies]

@xMalcolm2x haha, i unfortunately sold my copies back to gamestop years ago

[voodoopriestessXY]

sick stuff, loved the vids. saw a ton of stuff derived from x4 and x6, my two favorites :D

[BuchaGantz]

good video man i am subscribing!!!

[jmoonies]

@BuchaGantz danke much!

[drjuste]

I knew all these stuff but you made time to explain something someone never did and some didn't know. Good job pal. I assure you'll have some more views thanks to me.

[jmoonies]

@drjuste muchos gratzi, good sir

[prinnyvinny]

Zero's forward throw (ground and air) should be derived from X4 acquired from web spider. Good stuff for the fans i suppose

[jmoonies]

@prinnyvinny web spider's weapon is kind of a lightning lance though. Doesn't zero just spam shots during his throw?

[elevate07]

I was hoping someone would do a video like this someday. Though I haven't felt any nerfs to Genmu Zero. Mind explaining?

[jmoonies]

@elevate07 haha, it's nerfed in that it's not an instant kill anymore

[elevate07]

@jmoonies I feel really dumb now.

[HeartDestroyer28X]

Zero would be so OVERPOWERED with Uroboros and Sougenmu activated plus that he's fast dash and that he can set up unblockables

[TheDarkyvamp]

@HeartDestroyer28X except zero is already overpowered in umvc3. He considered to be god tier. In fact, most pros consider him to be above wesker because he can buster cancel, insane priority on his moves, and his combos do a lot of damage. The only thing bad about him is his low health and bad assists.

[Imozart0341I]

I nvr played X7 and X8 how were they

[jmoonies]

@Imozart0341I let's just say, it was at it's best at X4

[metaXzero]

@Imozart0341I

We don't talk about Megaman X7

X8 was decent.

[Caine187]

You should do one for Dante and Vergil :P. I can tell you where all of there moves are from

[Hyan36]

That was a very cool video dude. It most have taken a lot of time to make, I wish you could do the same but with Strider.

[jmoonies]

@Hyan36 admittedly, I've never seen a strider game...

[Hyan36]

@jmoonies /watch?v=gJkCfNAIiOg

check it out, you can see how the Ouroboros and the robots animals help Strider on his original game

[jmoonies]

@firewolf921 but *just* barely

[cnDelta04]

Are you going to be doing this for each of the characters?

[jmoonies]

@cnDelta04 haha if someone gives me the games, i wouldn't mind :P

[TheWTFBOOM]

LOL strider

[GeneralAwesomo]

Genmu Zero was originally called Genmurei. "Rei" means zero in Japanese. Capcom wanted to be a bit clever and changed it to Genmu Zero in MvC3. His sprites are flipped because it seems he is canonically left handed. In most art works, his Z-Buster is on his right arm, and his left hand holds his Z-Saber. In the MMX games, the true sprite is facing left, meaning his Z-Saber arm is his outside arm. In MvC3, the true sprite is facing right, meaning his Z-Saber arm is his inside arm.

[jmoonies]

@GeneralAwesomo Did they ever explain how he lost his double buster in X2 and X3? oh wait, that wasp robot at the end of X3 huh...

[GeneralAwesomo]

@jmoonies I'm not sure that's canon. Yeah, you summon Zero so he gets critically damaged so X can get his Z-Saber, but yeah. I guess Capcom just wanted to nerf Zero's Z-Buster so X's looks better in the later games.

[halogodess]

very informational but where does Zero's TVC level 3 come from

[jmoonies]

@halogodess Dark Hold? That's from X6, though not nearly as flashy. Just a simple time freeze and Zero does his emo turn his back pose. Then the screen goes negative :P

[TheWTFBOOM]

@halogodess

The time freezing aspect of that level 3 is the Dark Hold from Mega Man X5 (Dark Dizzy's weapon). The giant sword part is made up but the shape the blade takes references the saber in Mega Man Zero.

[firewolf921]

What I thought they should have added for Zero UMVC3 was his double jump from X4-X8.

[jmoonies]

@firewolf921 yeah that drove me nuts too

[firewolf921]

@jmoonies I think if they gave Zero that double jump along with his instant kill Genmu Zero move, he would be more powerful then Wesker is in Ultimate.

[belmontzar]

thats awesome how all of his attacks are from teh epic games ^_^ Only othe rthing noticed.. During the Zero blade launch, hadangeki, his sword at the end of one of the slashes, looks like the Saber from the Mega man Zero series. Many of those attacks also return in that series as well.

[SenpaiSamaKun]

@belmontzar

>X6 and X8

>No MMZ

No. 

[potatohed123]

"slightly nerfed in mvc3" lol

[TheChalupakabra]

It is great to see that some people can appreciate Capcom's attention to detail :)

[DarkDreamT2]

They pulled a LOT of Zero's stuff from the X2 boss fight. I guess cuz it was his first time wielding a blade, huh?

[madviolence]

Excellent video. You should make one for Amaterasu!

[jmoonies]

@madviolence lol, send me a copy of okami and I just might

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

Am I the only one who dislikes how Zero's ponytail goes up like that?

[jmoonies]

@ShadowdaHedgie11 it drives me crazy

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

@jmoonies It just looks weird, right?

[Nin10donerd]

@ShadowdaHedgie11 I Hate it Too! TvC did it right by realizing that there is this thing called gravity that would have it fall downward :]

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

@Nin10donerd It's not that unnatural, depending on how tightly you formed the ponytail, it could go upwards a little like that, but it still looks weird.

[Nin10donerd]

Damn, I wanted to do a vid like this for him when TvC came out, Guess I'll have to do Mega Man Volnutt one Or a Tron Bonne one.

[VincentBelmont]

amazing work jmoonies , love the video , can we expect more videos ? I think one of the longest video could be Dante or Vergil

[jmoonies]

@VincentBelmont I was actually thinking about that. Trish too, since she's unlockable in DMC 2, though I imagine that'd take quite some time (yeesh, maybe another 6 months). I'd need to procure a copy of the DMC HD collection as well...

[AzureInnovator]

I want Zero to have his own ouroboros now !

[Tisatonic]

Do more please!

[KageZero]

Ah I noticed that there was no real use for ryuenjin described in the video...actually if you buster cancel out of it into raikousen L you can go into a corner carry combo. Need to be preemptively charging the buster or do a shippuga loop before hand. Also mad shoutouts to being gdlk and having time to play the x games again. I need to do the same :)

[Chibisavv]

zero lvl 3 buster is from megaman x (maverick hunter x only)

[CrunKAintDeaDx]

LOL image zero having an orobouros type hyper

[ParalysisProductions]

Very informative and entertaining video.

Keep up the good work.

[TheBLACKSTARmovement]

great video

congratulations on finishing such a laborious effort

[Lonewulf321]

This is cool, are ther more planned for other characters?

[YuriBo26]

Amazing video, wish we could get one for every character ^-^

[jmoonies]

@YuriBo26 lol, I was thinking maybe devil may cry, but that might a bit more of a serious commitment (another 6 months). I'll think on it...

[tickkid]

This was really excellent. I can see that you took alot of time and work on it. Well done.

[jmoonies]

@tickkid much appreciated

[LightningZerker]

Japanese Zero? What am I fighting for?!

[himuragoXD]

great video i would just saw u didnt show his jumping heavy only down heavy or his crouch light if iam not mistaken

[jmoonies]

@himuragoXD got the jumping and crouching heavy. The jumping and couching L was too obscure, even for me. I thought maybe it'd be wall kicks, but I couldn't really find an animation for that either :P

[ILOVETODANCELOL]

Haha! The Ouroboros/ Yammar Option part made me laugh. Great job dude.

[SobmicSSBB]

Interesting and informative.

I like this a lot.

[sunnyeong]

wow, i didn't know there were more zero references in the game. awesome.

[judgment413]

As much as dumb DLC stuff annoys me, I would probably pay for more music. Zero's theme is good and all, but after watching this, the nostalgia of all the great music made me miss those games.

Also, not that I'm complaining but instead of his 2C being a reverse C, I would have appreciated a move like Hyouretsuzan being a 2C move but whatever Capcom.

Great video none-the-less.

[renzycakes]

phoenix wright next please =)

[jmoonies]

@renzycakes lol, that's pretty much my first episode of marvelous guilt

[deathscythe697]

Zero w/XFC activated = Omega Zero

[IkariTenryo]

@deathscythe697 I miss Vanilla's XFC aura. He really looked like Awakened Zero with it. Now we got red lollipops flying all over the screen.

[jmoonies]

@IkariTenryo yeah, would've included the awakened zero bit in there except that ultimate's X factor looks something like a cancer scan

[dudetheguyman]

"Slightly nerfed"

[IkariTenryo]

@dudetheguyman Genmu Zero in MvC3 is nothing compared to X5. It's completely justified though. A 1-hit kill hyper wouldn't be fair.

[IkariTenryo]

This was pretty good. It makes me crave X even more. If X was confirmed, he'd probably have more of an extensive moveset explanation than this. Capcom is just being lazy.

[jmoonies]

@IkariTenryo haha, i'm sure that would've set me back another month

[eivellordsm2]

@IkariTenryo mega man x move list

jump

shoot

jump and shoot.

[IkariTenryo]

@eivellordsm2 [obligatory counter-troll comment goes here]

[eivellordsm2]

@IkariTenryo its true that would be his move list...

[bafrali5561]

@eivellordsm2 bitch please stop trying to troll, you are not good at it

[eivellordsm2]

@bafrali5561 not trolling just saying

[bafrali5561]

@eivellordsm2 think before saying then bro

[eivellordsm2]

@bafrali5561 I did all he'll do is jump and shoot

[bafrali5561]

@eivellordsm2 -_- it is clear you are an ignorent one.Please don't reply OK?

[eivellordsm2]

@bafrali5561 .

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

@IkariTenryo Uggggggh. If they put a Mega Man in, it'd probably be classic or Exe. They already have an X character and a Legends character, so I doubt they'd put X or Mega Man Trigger in. I'd say most likely would be Exe, due to being more versatile. Mega Man gets 8 different weapons each game, Exe gets, what, over 60? I'm counting all the cannons as one weapon though. A cannon is a cannon, no matter how much damage it does.

[IkariTenryo]

@ShadowdaHedgie11 3. X's skin being Zero's DLC. Despite this game doing terrible, we all know Capcom is going to release an expansion to this game in order to make up for lost sales at the end of the fiscal year. No company is foolish enough to deny fans what they want after their previous tactics stop working. I can only hope that they aren't stupid enough to watch themselves crash and burn in order to uphold some "SHAMFUR DISPRAY" tradition between them and Keiji Inafune.

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

@IkariTenryo I'm sure they still make more than enough money to keep themselves afloat. Not everyone cares that much about Mega Man to boycott the company over a cancelled game. I'd be more likely to boycott them over them not localizing Ace Attorney Investigations 2

[jmoonies]

@ShadowdaHedgie11 I'm personally rooting for exe megaman

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

@jmoonies I'd rather classic Mega, to be honest. Although Exe Mega would make more sense, since he has more attacks that would be suited for this, with different sword attacks, cannons, bombs, etc.

Y'know who I would really love to see instead of Mega Man though? Bass or Proto Man.

[jmoonies]

@ShadowdaHedgie11 I would've been excited for X or exe megaman since they both would've been pretty cool enhancement characters (multiple armors/style change) I wouldn't have minded seeing them both be without damaging hypers but just an extensive tech list that changes with each armor

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

@jmoonies Ah, so they'd change armour/style with their hyper moves?

[jmoonies]

@ShadowdaHedgie11 that's what I would like to see anyways....it'll never happen though

[ShadowdaHedgie11]

@jmoonies Maybe not that way, but I wouldn't give up hope. There is still every chance Capcom will release another version of MvC, or add a Mega Man as a DLC.

[kingsoul17]

this is awesome

[zeerus7]

awesome job now its MODOKs turn right?

[jmoonies]

@zeerus7 that...would be amazing.

[cooltoonist]

Zero is an object? :O