I visited Trebinka on tuesday this week, and in areas near to the concrete protection barriers there where several areas of disturbed soil where ants or similar had turned the ground over and created soily patches. In each of these areas there where many many small pieces of bone and some larger pieces. Richard Krege's work was flawed and he himself has admitted he did not scan in areas which post war pictures show mass graves to be.
Visit the place and see for yourself. Other GPR experts have also examined Kreges work and have said that in their opinions, the scans do show evidence of disturbed soil which are potentially mass graves.
This video proves nothing. This pictures don't even come from Treblinka. There is no proof of Treblinka being a death camp. Those that were intered there even say so. I would rather take krege's word for it because it is more recent, and because he used sophisticated equipment to look and search. Also, you get your information from jews, and jews are always liars.
"You get your information from jews, and jews are always liars".
Now there's objectivity for you!
You're denying one of the most heavily documented episodes in history on the basis of an 'investigation' which never took place, whose findings have never been published, and which was sponsored by an institution which has made some of the most preposterous claims about the Holocaust we are ever likely to hear. I suppose in your books, only Jews are capable of telling whoppers.
Ok, I'll believe a Jewish Pole that investigated in 1945, over a group of highly trained Scientists in 1999, with the most sophisticated G.P.R. Sytem ever produced.
It is a shame about Alan. Here you have a man who is obviously passionate about the holocaust who goes around making a lot of tourist videos thinking that makes him a legitimate historian. It certainly doesn't. But I did expect him to be able to post something, ANYTHING, to support his position but all he can do is avoid the subject with irrelevent nonsense. He is exactly the kind of person you do not want defending the holocaust because he can't. His inability to produce just fuels deniers.
And finally, to re-ask the main question you have continued to ignore, where is all the photographic and documentary evidence of the mass killings at Treblinka? There is ample evidence including film footage of many of the mass shootings of Jews in the east. Why not of the killing of 800,000 people in full view of an entire town? Where are just routine photos of the camp showing the buildings that the recon photos prove never existed? There are plenty of photos of Auschwitz. Why not Treblinka?
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Obviously you are either jealous or really do have a serious psychiatric disorder. I cannot keep repeating answer the question, answer the question etc.. You cannot because you do not know. Instead of saying I don't know which is a normal response for anyone, you resort to personal insults, the same as the denier liars, the communists do etc.
I am of a higher intellectual and possibly moral plain than you, I will not respond to your insults.
The only one with a disorder is you. I repeatedly gave you the answer to your irrelevent, diversionary question. NO ONE MAPPED OUT THE LOCATIONS OF ALL THE PYRES IN DRESDEN. All they were concerned about was preventing disease. Now that I have answered your question for the 4th or 5th time why don't you answer even one of my questions which a actually about the subject at hand?
Alan, you are possibly the least intelligent person I have ever run into here. That you consider yourself "on a higher plain" is illustrative of a serious flaw in your character. You continually avoid the debate by asking questions that have already been answered about something that has nothing to do with the debate. It really is getting sad. If I was trying to prove the holocaust was a lie you would be a gold mine for me. I would just post your comments as proof that there is no evidence.
Since diversion from the topic at hand is the order of the day, here are more questions for you to ignore. I assume you read "Night" by Elie Wiesel. It is an excellent book and a stirring example of triumph over adversity. Why does the most celebrated survivor of Auschwitz not mention gas chambers or gassing of prisoners even once in his book? Why did he and so many other prisoners choose to leave with the SS instead of waiting for the Soviets if those SS men were only there to kill them?
Alan, I know you are just trying to drag this out until your friend 64Rufus64 bans me for destroying your, and his, position. You have both done it before. You do not ban or delete the vile, racist comments of neo-nazi idiots because they make you look good. You only ban and delete those who crush you in debate. By the way, do you complain about talking to 64Rufus64 because he does not use his full name as his screen name? Doing so in this day and age of security breeches is not smart.
Sorry, but I have little respect for neo-nazi idiots nor for the people who fuel them and give them ammunition by doing such an inept job of representing factual history.
I am sorry but I have a life and I cannot keep repeating constantly the same things. I know you probably get some pleasure in insulting people so that has kept you happy.
I am more than happy to correspond with educated people.
Actually, you have been doing a great job of repeating the same irrational, irrelevent nonsense while avoiding the subject at hand totally. It is clear that education is something you simply do not have. If you do not want to be insulted than offer intelligent points and stop hiding behind pointless nonsense. If you look back throught the posts (and the earlier PMs) you will see that I addressed you with perfect respect until you proved that you were not worthy of it.
Obviously you enjoy insulting people and possibly get pleasure from it. You have completely failed to answer several questions, I am not going to repeat them again.
I am a historian not a psychiatrist. Once you have learned to control your anger and insults as well as properly introducing yourself instead of hiding behind a false name then I may be prepared to correspond. Alternatively you may prefer to insult someone else - your choice.
Making tourist videos and attaching whatever info you find in the internet does not even come close to making you a historian. Your pathetic excuses are getting tiresome. I answered every question you asked but you have avoided answering even one and all my questions are about the subject at hand, not a completely un related event, but thagt is because I am not the one who must try to avoid the subject for fear of being exposed as knowing nothing. There is no anger, only tiring of your nonsense.
Some more questions for you. How do you discount the scientific evidence of the impossibility of burying 800,000 people in the area stated using actual known mass grave specifications? How do you explain the recon photos that show no evidence of any buildings other than the original farm buildings? How do you explain the photo that prove the
Soviets destroyed those buildings? How do you explain the total lack of evidence or testimony from anyone in Wolka Okraglik?
Amazing. You blatantly refuse to discuss the issue at hand until until I come up with a non-existant answer to a completely irrelevent question about a completely unrelated event that has nothing in common with Treblinka. It is obvious that you have come to the realization that you have nothing factual to say in defense of your position in relation to the subject at hand, TREBLINKA.
No, I refuse to move on until we complete the points at hand. You can only throw out baseless accusations and insults.
I will repeat myself again. You made the point that it is impossible to burn so many bodies at Treblinka. You brought the subject up. I am trying to find out why people in Germany burn more easily than people in Poland but I cannot get an answer. That has everything to do with your silly claims on Treblinka.
No, I cited the studies that prove that it was impossible to bury that many people in such a small area and the science on that is indisputable no matter what you choose to believe. I cited readily available information on cremation that prove it was impossible to burn so many bodies IN SO LITTLE TIME, especially using such an inefficient, uncontrolled method.
We come back to the same thing. In Dresden it is possible to burn bodies in much greater quantities than in Treblinka. At least it is for those who want to exaggerate the death toll in Dresden whilst negating that in Treblinka.
So, now you are the one claiming that the death toll in Dresden was from the pyres? Treblinka was not an entire city that was firebombed by thousands of planes. The death toll was from the attack. Your mindless assertions that Treblinak and Dresden are in any way the same betray your complete lack of knowledge and makes it obvious that you know you have nothing intelligent to say. I almost feel sorry for you now.
You want me to avoid insults but it is so hard when you keep saying such stupid things in an attempt to avoid the subject. There is no issue of bodies burning better in Germany . You are acting as though a city-wide incendiary firebombing by thousands of planes should burn exactly the same as a couple of small open pits. Are you really so desperate to avoid the subject that you expect that nonsense to seem rational? You are trying to avoid the subject by flooding it with B.S. - hence insults.
You have obviously read no more about Dresden than you have about Treblinka. So, now you assert that most of the deaths were from "blast effect", which only occurs from high explosive bombs, not incendiary bombs, and suffocation and only a minority were burned in the city wide fires that burned for almost a week? Again you spout more nonsense about Dresden in a feeble attempt to avoid discussing Treblinka and expose another area you have no knowledge of, munitions.
If you had done any research into Dresden at all you would have the diversionary answers you seek. NO ONE WENT AROUND COUNTING BODIES, TIMING BURNING, OR MAPPING OUT THE LOCATIONS OF PYRES. They were concerned with preventing the spread of disease and NOTHING else. Now, you answer a question. What does all your Dresden rambling have to do with Treblinka?
The problem with the denier liars in general is that once confronted with questions they do not give answers. I have yet to see one who cannot do anything other than give personal insults rather than answer a point.
I have repeated several questions, several times. Rather than give a straight answer I get insults.
The fact is that when confronted with their own lies, the denier liars just cannot give an answer. Insults are all that is left.
The problem with people like you who give denier liars more tools to use against the holocaust story than anyone else is that you seek answers to unrelated, irrelevent questions to avoid discussing the subject at hand which you can not discuss from a position of knowledge and ignore the answers even when given.
If I have received an answer on where the Dresden pyres were then I am sorry but I did not see it.
It was you who said it was impossible to burn bodies at this rate in Treblinka not I.
As one pyre in Dresden destroyed around 18,000 bodies in relative secrecy in a place where all fuel had to be brought in and with a desperate military situation, I fail to see why several organised pyres in Treblinka with a large labour supply and no fuel problems cannot destroy the same number of corpses.
Wiernik claimed that up to 1200 people could fit into an area 7 X 7 m, in other words more than 20 people per sq. meter. He claimed that bodies burned on their own once lit. He said the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires as though women are made of some highly flammable material different from men. His claims are ridiculous. I didn't know anyone still believed them.
The town of Wolka Okraglik was right across the fields from the supposed extermination camp. The whole camp was visible from the town. Does anyone actually believe that the Germans imported 800,000 people, gassed them and buried them, then dug them up and burned them on huge bonfires, and not one person in town thought to take a picture? Not one person in town contacted the Polish underground so they could document it? Not one person in town published a witness account?
Really? Post them. Post links. Post anything RELIABLE. As I said, there must be photos. POST THEM. Cameras were VERY common. In Germany, even color movie cameras were available to the public. The notion that the Germans would have been able to prevent photos from being taken from town is beyond absurd. It is stupid. Do you think they had an agent in every house, every store, every Church, every garage?
Treblinka is not in Germany. Try looking at a map. Make sure it shows the borders as they were then.
Cameras were then rare and only owned by professionals or wealthy people. I have often asked this. You have never asked this, if not you would have known. The people who lived nearby were Polish peasants not wealthy Germans.
Try doing research. It helps get your facts right.
Do I believe the holocaust is one big hoax? Of course not. Do I believe that there was an extermination center at Treblinka? The preponderance of evidence says there was not.
All the mountains of evidence from eye witnesses from escaped inmates from 1942, to guard testimony and eye witnesses, reports of the home army and others, evidence by the former guards, the trains full of people, the court records, the photographs ... all of it is fake.
All of that nothing compared to one person who has never set foot in a camp, never interviewed a single witness, been in an archive in his life but somehow 'knows'.
That is just it. While there is much evidence of some events of the holocaust, evidence from Treblinka is very weak. Witness testimony has proven to be almost worthless. There have been more fake holocaust survivors than anyone can even remember. There have been more "confessions" by German personnal that have been exposed as false, forced, or lies to cover thier own butts that they are not trustworthy either. The only reliable evidence is documentation the precedes 1945 and there is none.
It is impossible that the Germans dug up and burned 800,000 bodies in open pits. Even if it would have been possible to completely burn bodies it would have taken years to burn so many. The area described by "witnesses" as the burial site could not contain even 20,000 bodies much less 800,000. The whole camp could not contain that many.
More absurdity. I have filmed the site as well as the Nazi's own photographs and there is sufficient room there to bury millions.
Taken years to burn so many? There are those that claim 250,000 people were burned alive in one night in Dresden. Obviously with this logic, Germans burn more easily than Jews.
Alan, I really thought you could do better than this. Filming there does not mean you know ANYTHING about the subject at hand. The math debunking the claim of burying so many bodies in such a small area was derived form ACTUAL MASS GRAVE SITES at Katyn and other locations. Making actual measurements of known graves of a known number of victims, not talking out of their butt like you are.
Dresden. Alan, if you ever hope to have ANY credibility you need to do research and stop making pointless, naive, un-educated analogies. The temperature in Dresden during the firebomb raids using very flammable accelerants reached over 3600°F. A crematory oven operates at 1400°F to 2100°F. An open flame, as in a pit or bonfire is usually in the range of 900°F - 1200°F. Your Dresden anology exposes you as someone who knows very little and does no research.
According to your assessment - the temperature reached - not was at - but reached 3600F. Therefore there should have been no bodies at all and not much of anything else. So how come there were so many bodies. And how come - according to the denier liars - it was possible to burn 250k of them on one open pit in the centre of Dresden.
Alan, if you hope to support the holocaust the best thing you can do is shut your mouth. You are just embarassing yourself. Dresden and Treblinka have NOTHING in common. Dresden was a city-wide firebombing not a single open pit. The temperature would not be identical throughout the city (are you really THAT slow) so the amount of remains would vary widely. Anyone who says all those bodies were burned in one pit (I have seen no one say that) knows nothing. There were pyres all over the city.
Read ANYTHING. There are photos of numerous pyres. Do you actually believe that all the corpses from all over the cith were collected and transported to a single location for burning. Do you think at all before typing?
I have actually bothered to visit Dresden and published a very long interview with a Dresden survivor on this site. You, not being interested in getting your facts right but rather insulting others, did not bother even to check.
And I still do not see how a pyre in Dresden emits more heat than a pyre in Treblinka. You seem to work with the same silly denier liar scientific knowledge.
We are talking about the body count. You keep claiming that all the bodies were burned on one pyre after the attack, which makes your lack of research and common sense very clear, and that no bodies would have been burned by the far larger and far hotter fires resulting from the attack.
Now we are talking about the body count. You removed your silly assertion that people were killed by pyres. That sounds like removal of the evidence to me.
You have also just claimed that no bodies would have been burned by the attack - I presume that that is a typo.
I repeat. What is the source of your information that there were several pyres?
Where was their location?
Dont respond without giving a few personal insults.
No. I removed a new comment that had a typo in it. I never asserted that people were killed by pyres. You are simply making things up in an attempt to avoid the facts and facing the ridiculousness of your posts.
Alan, at first I thought you were just un-informed. Now I realize you just are not very intelligent and will say anything, no matter how foolish, in a feeble attempt tp support your position. The death toll in Dresden is not just from the funeral pyres, they are from the fires caused by the attack. I guess that never occurred to you.
I deleted that because it was supposed to say the death toll is not just from THE BODIES on the pyres btu from the attack as well. That was the typo. All of my posts make the comparison and my meaning clear. Seizing on a typo and trying to assert that supp[orts your position is characteristically weak of you.
Please. The post was reposted with the correct wording and even if it had not been, my meaning, and the feebleness of your seizing on a typo is very clear. Stop clouding the issue to hide your ineptness.
You talk of Dresden's corpse disposal as though it was some civil project with a plan and budget. No one bothered with accurate documentation. Their only concern was disesase control. There were pyres all over the Altstadt. What does any of this have to do with Treblinka, which was my whole point in exposing the ridiculous nature of using Dresden as a comparison.
You mean no matter how hard you try you can not divert me from destroying your claims about the subject at hand with your pointless, irrelevent rambling about unrelated issues.
I have been to Dresden as well. I have talked with several survivors. I have talked with aircrew that flew the raids. I have reviewed countless documents including seeing the original targeting maps.
And I still do not see how you expect to have any credibility when you continue to make pointless comparisons. No one is comparing the temperature of a pyre in Dresden to a pyre in Treblinka. The comparison is the temperature of the fires resulting from a city-wide incendiary raid by thousands of planes to the temperature of an open pit. I would think that was VERY clear. Maybe I should use smaller words.
There are no reliable numbers from Dresden. The city was full of refugees and other non-residents. They were not concerned with counting bodies they were concerned with preventing the spread of disease. Estimates, as you knw, vary wildly. we will never know the correct numbers.
Learn to read. It says very clearly on my profile that I do not enter into correspondence with anonymous people. I have no intention of entering into long correspondence with people who do not introduce themselves and certain not people who have psychological and anger problems.
I have noticed that you also refuse to talk to anyone who exposes your lack of research and knowledge. The mark of someone whi knows their limitations.
Aerial photos show that the buildings on the site were only destroyed AFTER the Soviets took over the area. The convict labor camp 1KM north of the supposed death camp, is known to have housed thousands of prisoners. The soviets founs exactly 10 bodies there. They cited no evidence of bodies at the supposed death camp, only a story of the open burning of bodies at a rate that is not even remotely possible. Open pits do not reach a sufficient temperature to cremate completely.
Alan, the people who hope to prove the whole holocaust is a lie (I am NOT one of them) LOVE people like you. You make feeble attempts to support your position that are the result of little knowledge and no research. You film. So what? TRY READING. Try visiting archives. Try researching ALL SIDES OF THE STORY because until you have you are in no position to make statements about what is or is not true and supported by evidence.
You really are very silly are not you. I have shown quite detailled research on this site alone but people like you, full of their own insiginificance and lack of knowledge, would rather use insults based on zero knowledge.
What archive, in your opinion, have I not visited?
The main rail station and line at Treblinka remained open for public travel well after the supposed murders started and the entire supposed camp was plainly visible from the town of Wolka Okraglik, only 600 meters across the field from the camp. There were no gates on the raods to the camp. Aerial photos of the camp from 1944 show the same farmhouse and outbuildings that existed before the war and no evidence of any other structures or disturbance of the ground.
I do not know what the word 'main' means here but I will try to guess. Treblinka is not and was not on the main line. The station at Treblinka is some distance from the camp (see a map) indeed Treblinka is not the closest village to the camp as can be seen in one of my films. The road to the camp was built by the Nazis. There was a gate to the camp - how could people get in? Why should there be gates on the roads? What prewar photographs are there?
The "postwar photos" are CLEARLY not from Treblinka. Nothing about them is correct. The soil is wrong, the flora is wrong, and the surrounding area is not even close to that surrounding Treblinka. It is more likely the site of a soviet massacre. They committed more of them than the Germans did and tried to blame all of them on the Germans like those at Katyn and Ukraine. there are more problems....
Krege never formally released the GPR results so there is nothing to debunk. Why make such a poor effort to do so? First, the Polish investigation means very little when it comes from a Soviet puppet government and the Soviets are known to have faked evidence by the trainload. It does not even read like a serious investigation. It starts with the accepted story and then looks for proof to fit the pre-concieved story. Continued...
this video is "bull" ! you cannot quote the allies as a reliable source to prove allies claims, that isn't logic. All you have is jewish historians and allies reports to prove their own claims. however if you ask neonazis they also will present their own proves pointing out the opposite.
"In 1959, third Reich historian Marin Gilbert . . . [said] 'we reached an enormous clearing. . . Darkness was falling, and with it . . . a cold dew. . . . The earth beneath my feet was coarse and sharp: filled with the fragments of human bone.'"
So, 15 years after the war, in an area prone to dampness, there in the shallow earth lies undecomposed bone fragments identifiable in the semi-darkness as human to a person with no training as a physical anthropologist.
If you can't prove the existence of 870,000 Bodies in Mass Graves, you can't prove the Holocaust.
The only forensic report on the 'gas chambers' ever submitted at Nuremberg was one that claimed Jews were STEAMED to death. "STEAMINGS" were "PROVEN" at Treblinka in the Pohl Trial, Fourth Nuremberg Trial, NMT IV, 1119-1152.(Fourth National Military Tribunal, Nuremberg), and Nuremberg docs. 1553-PS, 3311-PS.
So much for Soviet "Investigations of War Crimes"!
Five months ago I asked when Krege allegedly visited Treblinka. I have written to him. I have written to his company. And no-one, not even Krege himself can give me an answer.
The only conclusion is that he was never there - he just made it all up and the naive denier liars will swallow any nonsense, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it backs their racist agenda.
Since hearing of the alleged Krege visit to Treblinka several years ago, I have repeatedly asked for the dates. No-one has supplied me with them. The authorities have no records. This is a simple question. Yet denier liars cannot answer it. Krege was never there. He is a fraud.
Anyone claiming otherwise can supply me with the answer to the simple question:
That is the claim but he is going to have to do better than that. I have also heard three weeks claimed.
So he was on site for six days in a six day visit. Not impossible - but he must have been going pretty fast from the airport. Not bad after a flight half way around the world!
The question is why is there no record? Where did the equipment come from? Brought in? Then there must be customs papers? Or hired on site? Only if it were stolen - or the story is lies - is there no record.
Krege is undoubtedly a fraud. You make very valid points. Furthermore I checked with the authorities for October 1999. No record. As it is illegal to use metal detectors and similar devices at such sites without permission, surely such a large investigative team would have been spotted. But nothing. Nobody knew anything. Conclusion. He was not there. He made it up. Film showing someone with something that looks like a lawnmower was probably done by photoshop or something similar.
A point on teeth is that at Belzec very few teeth were found but huge quantities of bones were, and until recently bone fragments littered the area of the former camp.
Very good. I agree about free speech etc. The pictures really proved a point about that ground scan thing. The only thing deniers could debate now is statistics of the dead - but why should it be a numbers game - 1,000 murdered or 10,000,000 murdered - people were murdered!! It shouldn't always be about numbers, but I guess that thw world we live in.
are thephotos really from treblinka? creamation of one body requires two to three hours at one thousand eight hundred degrees f physicaly impossible within time frame claimed
So this character is claiming that bodies are destroyed at a constant temperature of 1,800C for at least two hours? Is he crazy? Has he ever done any cooking for example?
The time to destroy a body would depend on how much fuel was being used and its position. However we need to remember that only the 'meat' was burnt - the bones were smashed up and dumped in the Bug.
And what, pray tell, does lokulotes have to do with me? I haven't denied any of your video responses or will in the future. It's becoming painfully obvious that you consider my vid to debunk the Krege nonsense which is why you don't accept it as a vid response.
Why didn't you accept my vid as a response? Well anyway, thanks for signifying that you consider my vid to debunk the horseshit krege investigations, or else you would have allowed it as a vid response.
I wonder why YouTube allows a Holocaust Denial series to be uploaded. This in itself would be considered a crime in most civilized countries, amongst which Germany.
Although I think of denial to be pure undiluted horseshit that belongs in the rubbish bin of history, I believe that everyone has a right to freedom of speech. The law that prohibits denial in Germany is counterproductive and gives deniers an excuse for their miserable 'research'.
It certainly makes a mockery of the neo Nazi excuse that people like Krege cannot publish their findings for fear of arrest but can make unsubstantiated allegations whilst working for the Australian government.
And if Krege works for the air traffic control down under yet cannot see a railway siding, cemetary and quarry then really they ought to be a bit less politically correct towards those that are visually challenged.
"I wonder why YouTube allows a Holocaust Denial series to be uploaded."
They don't. They took down a very informative series by denairbud called onethirdoftheholocaust calling it "hate speech" of some such shit. The truth is it debunked some sacred myths of the holocaust intelligently and persuasively so it was yanked.
"This in itself would be considered a crime in most civilized countries, amongst which Germany"
A civilized country allows the free exchange of ideas. That is the only way the truth will always prevail. If the Shoah was true, there would be no need for holocaust denial laws because there would be no holocaust deniers.
I visited Trebinka on tuesday this week, and in areas near to the concrete protection barriers there where several areas of disturbed soil where ants or similar had turned the ground over and created soily patches. In each of these areas there where many many small pieces of bone and some larger pieces. Richard Krege's work was flawed and he himself has admitted he did not scan in areas which post war pictures show mass graves to be.
bhm1712 5 months ago
Visit the place and see for yourself. Other GPR experts have also examined Kreges work and have said that in their opinions, the scans do show evidence of disturbed soil which are potentially mass graves.
bhm1712 5 months ago
This video proves nothing. This pictures don't even come from Treblinka. There is no proof of Treblinka being a death camp. Those that were intered there even say so. I would rather take krege's word for it because it is more recent, and because he used sophisticated equipment to look and search. Also, you get your information from jews, and jews are always liars.
isaiah1423 2 years ago
@isaiah1423
"You get your information from jews, and jews are always liars".
Now there's objectivity for you!
You're denying one of the most heavily documented episodes in history on the basis of an 'investigation' which never took place, whose findings have never been published, and which was sponsored by an institution which has made some of the most preposterous claims about the Holocaust we are ever likely to hear. I suppose in your books, only Jews are capable of telling whoppers.
MSM4U2POM 1 year ago
Ok, I'll believe a Jewish Pole that investigated in 1945, over a group of highly trained Scientists in 1999, with the most sophisticated G.P.R. Sytem ever produced.
OK!
brian8793 2 years ago
It is a shame about Alan. Here you have a man who is obviously passionate about the holocaust who goes around making a lot of tourist videos thinking that makes him a legitimate historian. It certainly doesn't. But I did expect him to be able to post something, ANYTHING, to support his position but all he can do is avoid the subject with irrelevent nonsense. He is exactly the kind of person you do not want defending the holocaust because he can't. His inability to produce just fuels deniers.
omcx1 2 years ago
And finally, to re-ask the main question you have continued to ignore, where is all the photographic and documentary evidence of the mass killings at Treblinka? There is ample evidence including film footage of many of the mass shootings of Jews in the east. Why not of the killing of 800,000 people in full view of an entire town? Where are just routine photos of the camp showing the buildings that the recon photos prove never existed? There are plenty of photos of Auschwitz. Why not Treblinka?
omcx1 2 years ago
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Obviously you are either jealous or really do have a serious psychiatric disorder. I cannot keep repeating answer the question, answer the question etc.. You cannot because you do not know. Instead of saying I don't know which is a normal response for anyone, you resort to personal insults, the same as the denier liars, the communists do etc.
I am of a higher intellectual and possibly moral plain than you, I will not respond to your insults.
See a psychiatrist about your anger problem.
alanheath 2 years ago
The only one with a disorder is you. I repeatedly gave you the answer to your irrelevent, diversionary question. NO ONE MAPPED OUT THE LOCATIONS OF ALL THE PYRES IN DRESDEN. All they were concerned about was preventing disease. Now that I have answered your question for the 4th or 5th time why don't you answer even one of my questions which a actually about the subject at hand?
omcx1 2 years ago
Alan, you are possibly the least intelligent person I have ever run into here. That you consider yourself "on a higher plain" is illustrative of a serious flaw in your character. You continually avoid the debate by asking questions that have already been answered about something that has nothing to do with the debate. It really is getting sad. If I was trying to prove the holocaust was a lie you would be a gold mine for me. I would just post your comments as proof that there is no evidence.
omcx1 2 years ago
Since diversion from the topic at hand is the order of the day, here are more questions for you to ignore. I assume you read "Night" by Elie Wiesel. It is an excellent book and a stirring example of triumph over adversity. Why does the most celebrated survivor of Auschwitz not mention gas chambers or gassing of prisoners even once in his book? Why did he and so many other prisoners choose to leave with the SS instead of waiting for the Soviets if those SS men were only there to kill them?
omcx1 2 years ago
Alan, I know you are just trying to drag this out until your friend 64Rufus64 bans me for destroying your, and his, position. You have both done it before. You do not ban or delete the vile, racist comments of neo-nazi idiots because they make you look good. You only ban and delete those who crush you in debate. By the way, do you complain about talking to 64Rufus64 because he does not use his full name as his screen name? Doing so in this day and age of security breeches is not smart.
omcx1 2 years ago
And before you even attempt to use my typos as another source of diversion, you try typing with a 1 year old on your lap!
omcx1 2 years ago
Sorry, but I have little respect for neo-nazi idiots nor for the people who fuel them and give them ammunition by doing such an inept job of representing factual history.
omcx1 2 years ago
It is getting late here so
I will leave you with an entire day to try and look up some answers to the relevent questions I posted. Gute nacht.
omcx1 2 years ago
I am sorry but I have a life and I cannot keep repeating constantly the same things. I know you probably get some pleasure in insulting people so that has kept you happy.
I am more than happy to correspond with educated people.
I suggest you find someone else to insult.
alanheath 2 years ago
Actually, you have been doing a great job of repeating the same irrational, irrelevent nonsense while avoiding the subject at hand totally. It is clear that education is something you simply do not have. If you do not want to be insulted than offer intelligent points and stop hiding behind pointless nonsense. If you look back throught the posts (and the earlier PMs) you will see that I addressed you with perfect respect until you proved that you were not worthy of it.
omcx1 2 years ago
Obviously you enjoy insulting people and possibly get pleasure from it. You have completely failed to answer several questions, I am not going to repeat them again.
I am a historian not a psychiatrist. Once you have learned to control your anger and insults as well as properly introducing yourself instead of hiding behind a false name then I may be prepared to correspond. Alternatively you may prefer to insult someone else - your choice.
alanheath 2 years ago
Making tourist videos and attaching whatever info you find in the internet does not even come close to making you a historian. Your pathetic excuses are getting tiresome. I answered every question you asked but you have avoided answering even one and all my questions are about the subject at hand, not a completely un related event, but thagt is because I am not the one who must try to avoid the subject for fear of being exposed as knowing nothing. There is no anger, only tiring of your nonsense.
omcx1 2 years ago
Some more questions for you. How do you discount the scientific evidence of the impossibility of burying 800,000 people in the area stated using actual known mass grave specifications? How do you explain the recon photos that show no evidence of any buildings other than the original farm buildings? How do you explain the photo that prove the
Soviets destroyed those buildings? How do you explain the total lack of evidence or testimony from anyone in Wolka Okraglik?
omcx1 2 years ago
Let us not move on until we resolve the unanswered questions.
I have incidentally dealt with those points in one of my videos other than the recon one.
I will give you an answer once the outstanding answers are dealt with.
I accept you do not know where the pyres were, you probably made it up but won't admit it.
alanheath 2 years ago
Amazing. You blatantly refuse to discuss the issue at hand until until I come up with a non-existant answer to a completely irrelevent question about a completely unrelated event that has nothing in common with Treblinka. It is obvious that you have come to the realization that you have nothing factual to say in defense of your position in relation to the subject at hand, TREBLINKA.
omcx1 2 years ago
No, I refuse to move on until we complete the points at hand. You can only throw out baseless accusations and insults.
I will repeat myself again. You made the point that it is impossible to burn so many bodies at Treblinka. You brought the subject up. I am trying to find out why people in Germany burn more easily than people in Poland but I cannot get an answer. That has everything to do with your silly claims on Treblinka.
You cannot defend your position - hence insults.
alanheath 2 years ago
No, I cited the studies that prove that it was impossible to bury that many people in such a small area and the science on that is indisputable no matter what you choose to believe. I cited readily available information on cremation that prove it was impossible to burn so many bodies IN SO LITTLE TIME, especially using such an inefficient, uncontrolled method.
omcx1 2 years ago
The area is huge and I even filmed it specially.
We come back to the same thing. In Dresden it is possible to burn bodies in much greater quantities than in Treblinka. At least it is for those who want to exaggerate the death toll in Dresden whilst negating that in Treblinka.
alanheath 2 years ago
So, now you are the one claiming that the death toll in Dresden was from the pyres? Treblinka was not an entire city that was firebombed by thousands of planes. The death toll was from the attack. Your mindless assertions that Treblinak and Dresden are in any way the same betray your complete lack of knowledge and makes it obvious that you know you have nothing intelligent to say. I almost feel sorry for you now.
omcx1 2 years ago
You want me to avoid insults but it is so hard when you keep saying such stupid things in an attempt to avoid the subject. There is no issue of bodies burning better in Germany . You are acting as though a city-wide incendiary firebombing by thousands of planes should burn exactly the same as a couple of small open pits. Are you really so desperate to avoid the subject that you expect that nonsense to seem rational? You are trying to avoid the subject by flooding it with B.S. - hence insults.
omcx1 2 years ago
I have only refered to the pyre and not to the attack itself.
Most victims of Dresden were probably caused by suffocation and then blast effect which means their bodies were burnt on the pyre.
alanheath 2 years ago
You have obviously read no more about Dresden than you have about Treblinka. So, now you assert that most of the deaths were from "blast effect", which only occurs from high explosive bombs, not incendiary bombs, and suffocation and only a minority were burned in the city wide fires that burned for almost a week? Again you spout more nonsense about Dresden in a feeble attempt to avoid discussing Treblinka and expose another area you have no knowledge of, munitions.
omcx1 2 years ago
If you had done any research into Dresden at all you would have the diversionary answers you seek. NO ONE WENT AROUND COUNTING BODIES, TIMING BURNING, OR MAPPING OUT THE LOCATIONS OF PYRES. They were concerned with preventing the spread of disease and NOTHING else. Now, you answer a question. What does all your Dresden rambling have to do with Treblinka?
omcx1 2 years ago
I asked you where the pyres were to make the point that there was probably only one.
alanheath 2 years ago
The problem with the denier liars in general is that once confronted with questions they do not give answers. I have yet to see one who cannot do anything other than give personal insults rather than answer a point.
I have repeated several questions, several times. Rather than give a straight answer I get insults.
The fact is that when confronted with their own lies, the denier liars just cannot give an answer. Insults are all that is left.
alanheath 2 years ago
The problem with people like you who give denier liars more tools to use against the holocaust story than anyone else is that you seek answers to unrelated, irrelevent questions to avoid discussing the subject at hand which you can not discuss from a position of knowledge and ignore the answers even when given.
omcx1 2 years ago
If I have received an answer on where the Dresden pyres were then I am sorry but I did not see it.
It was you who said it was impossible to burn bodies at this rate in Treblinka not I.
As one pyre in Dresden destroyed around 18,000 bodies in relative secrecy in a place where all fuel had to be brought in and with a desperate military situation, I fail to see why several organised pyres in Treblinka with a large labour supply and no fuel problems cannot destroy the same number of corpses.
alanheath 2 years ago
Wiernik claimed that up to 1200 people could fit into an area 7 X 7 m, in other words more than 20 people per sq. meter. He claimed that bodies burned on their own once lit. He said the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires as though women are made of some highly flammable material different from men. His claims are ridiculous. I didn't know anyone still believed them.
omcx1 2 years ago
False testimony from Treblinka? Start with Yankel Wiernik. Try to explain some of his incorrect or wildly impossible claims.
omcx1 2 years ago
The town of Wolka Okraglik was right across the fields from the supposed extermination camp. The whole camp was visible from the town. Does anyone actually believe that the Germans imported 800,000 people, gassed them and buried them, then dug them up and burned them on huge bonfires, and not one person in town thought to take a picture? Not one person in town contacted the Polish underground so they could document it? Not one person in town published a witness account?
Please. Use your head.
omcx1 2 years ago
This is utter nonsense. There are plenty of reports from the area and what was happening was widely known.
Very few people had cameras and the idea that someone could take photographs of a death camp freely is absurd.
alanheath 2 years ago
Really? Post them. Post links. Post anything RELIABLE. As I said, there must be photos. POST THEM. Cameras were VERY common. In Germany, even color movie cameras were available to the public. The notion that the Germans would have been able to prevent photos from being taken from town is beyond absurd. It is stupid. Do you think they had an agent in every house, every store, every Church, every garage?
omcx1 2 years ago
Treblinka is not in Germany. Try looking at a map. Make sure it shows the borders as they were then.
Cameras were then rare and only owned by professionals or wealthy people. I have often asked this. You have never asked this, if not you would have known. The people who lived nearby were Polish peasants not wealthy Germans.
Try doing research. It helps get your facts right.
alanheath 2 years ago
Do I believe the holocaust is one big hoax? Of course not. Do I believe that there was an extermination center at Treblinka? The preponderance of evidence says there was not.
omcx1 2 years ago
All the mountains of evidence from eye witnesses from escaped inmates from 1942, to guard testimony and eye witnesses, reports of the home army and others, evidence by the former guards, the trains full of people, the court records, the photographs ... all of it is fake.
All of that nothing compared to one person who has never set foot in a camp, never interviewed a single witness, been in an archive in his life but somehow 'knows'.
alanheath 2 years ago
That is just it. While there is much evidence of some events of the holocaust, evidence from Treblinka is very weak. Witness testimony has proven to be almost worthless. There have been more fake holocaust survivors than anyone can even remember. There have been more "confessions" by German personnal that have been exposed as false, forced, or lies to cover thier own butts that they are not trustworthy either. The only reliable evidence is documentation the precedes 1945 and there is none.
omcx1 2 years ago
You throw out accusations but cannot back things up.
What confessions have been exposed as false from Treblinka?
There are accounts of Treblinka that precede 1945 - first hand e.g. Wiernik, Krzepicki
alanheath 2 years ago
It is impossible that the Germans dug up and burned 800,000 bodies in open pits. Even if it would have been possible to completely burn bodies it would have taken years to burn so many. The area described by "witnesses" as the burial site could not contain even 20,000 bodies much less 800,000. The whole camp could not contain that many.
omcx1 2 years ago
More absurdity. I have filmed the site as well as the Nazi's own photographs and there is sufficient room there to bury millions.
Taken years to burn so many? There are those that claim 250,000 people were burned alive in one night in Dresden. Obviously with this logic, Germans burn more easily than Jews.
alanheath 2 years ago
Alan, I really thought you could do better than this. Filming there does not mean you know ANYTHING about the subject at hand. The math debunking the claim of burying so many bodies in such a small area was derived form ACTUAL MASS GRAVE SITES at Katyn and other locations. Making actual measurements of known graves of a known number of victims, not talking out of their butt like you are.
omcx1 2 years ago
Dresden. Alan, if you ever hope to have ANY credibility you need to do research and stop making pointless, naive, un-educated analogies. The temperature in Dresden during the firebomb raids using very flammable accelerants reached over 3600°F. A crematory oven operates at 1400°F to 2100°F. An open flame, as in a pit or bonfire is usually in the range of 900°F - 1200°F. Your Dresden anology exposes you as someone who knows very little and does no research.
omcx1 2 years ago
According to your assessment - the temperature reached - not was at - but reached 3600F. Therefore there should have been no bodies at all and not much of anything else. So how come there were so many bodies. And how come - according to the denier liars - it was possible to burn 250k of them on one open pit in the centre of Dresden.
alanheath 2 years ago
Alan, if you hope to support the holocaust the best thing you can do is shut your mouth. You are just embarassing yourself. Dresden and Treblinka have NOTHING in common. Dresden was a city-wide firebombing not a single open pit. The temperature would not be identical throughout the city (are you really THAT slow) so the amount of remains would vary widely. Anyone who says all those bodies were burned in one pit (I have seen no one say that) knows nothing. There were pyres all over the city.
omcx1 2 years ago
What is your evidence that there were pyres all over the city? Or did you just make this up?
I still do not see how a pyre in Dresden burns at a greater temperature than a pyre in Treblinka. Perhaps you could enlighten us.
Obviously you have to resort to personal insults which just shows the bankruptcy of your arguments.
alanheath 2 years ago
Read ANYTHING. There are photos of numerous pyres. Do you actually believe that all the corpses from all over the cith were collected and transported to a single location for burning. Do you think at all before typing?
omcx1 2 years ago
As I have already pointed out several times, try insults to avoid answering the question.
This is sarcasm.
Now try answering the question. What is your evidence and where were these alleged pyres?
alanheath 2 years ago
I have actually bothered to visit Dresden and published a very long interview with a Dresden survivor on this site. You, not being interested in getting your facts right but rather insulting others, did not bother even to check.
And I still do not see how a pyre in Dresden emits more heat than a pyre in Treblinka. You seem to work with the same silly denier liar scientific knowledge.
alanheath 2 years ago
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omcx1 2 years ago
Do ensure you get as many personal insults in as you can. It will help avoid answering the question.
The death toll was uniquely from the attack. I have never heard of anyone - not even a denier liar - claim that deaths were caused by the pyres.
(Remember to get the personal insult in to avoid making a coherent response.)
alanheath 2 years ago
We are talking about the body count. You keep claiming that all the bodies were burned on one pyre after the attack, which makes your lack of research and common sense very clear, and that no bodies would have been burned by the far larger and far hotter fires resulting from the attack.
omcx1 2 years ago
Now we are talking about the body count. You removed your silly assertion that people were killed by pyres. That sounds like removal of the evidence to me.
You have also just claimed that no bodies would have been burned by the attack - I presume that that is a typo.
I repeat. What is the source of your information that there were several pyres?
Where was their location?
Dont respond without giving a few personal insults.
alanheath 2 years ago
No. I removed a new comment that had a typo in it. I never asserted that people were killed by pyres. You are simply making things up in an attempt to avoid the facts and facing the ridiculousness of your posts.
omcx1 2 years ago
Why do you lie? You wrote (and removed) :
Alan, at first I thought you were just un-informed. Now I realize you just are not very intelligent and will say anything, no matter how foolish, in a feeble attempt tp support your position. The death toll in Dresden is not just from the funeral pyres, they are from the fires caused by the attack. I guess that never occurred to you.
alanheath 2 years ago
I deleted that because it was supposed to say the death toll is not just from THE BODIES on the pyres btu from the attack as well. That was the typo. All of my posts make the comparison and my meaning clear. Seizing on a typo and trying to assert that supp[orts your position is characteristically weak of you.
omcx1 2 years ago
I think you are getting yourself a bit tied up. Having been caught lying red handed.
So lets have some answers to the questions.
ONCE AGAIN.
Where were the pyres? How many corpses on them?
Name one person I refused to talk to.
What confessions have been exposed as false from Treblinka?
+ the other questions that remain unanswered.
Try to forget the insults as they are getting a bit boring and repetitive as is my sarcasm about them.
alanheath 2 years ago
Please. The post was reposted with the correct wording and even if it had not been, my meaning, and the feebleness of your seizing on a typo is very clear. Stop clouding the issue to hide your ineptness.
omcx1 2 years ago
Forget the insults. Answer the questions.
alanheath 2 years ago
You talk of Dresden's corpse disposal as though it was some civil project with a plan and budget. No one bothered with accurate documentation. Their only concern was disesase control. There were pyres all over the Altstadt. What does any of this have to do with Treblinka, which was my whole point in exposing the ridiculous nature of using Dresden as a comparison.
omcx1 2 years ago
No matter how hard I try, I just cannot get an answer.
How many times have I asked you where these alleged pyres were?
Or did you make it up?
alanheath 2 years ago
You mean no matter how hard you try you can not divert me from destroying your claims about the subject at hand with your pointless, irrelevent rambling about unrelated issues.
omcx1 2 years ago
Just answer the questions - forget the insults.
Once again:
Where were the pyres at Dresden? I accept that no-one knows how many.
What archive have I not been in?
Lets get rid of these points before moving on. And try and drop the personal insults.
alanheath 2 years ago
I have been to Dresden as well. I have talked with several survivors. I have talked with aircrew that flew the raids. I have reviewed countless documents including seeing the original targeting maps.
omcx1 2 years ago
You speak German?
alanheath 2 years ago
Ja, Ich spreche Deutsch. Ich brauche zu für meine Forschung mit deutschen Veteranen.
omcx1 2 years ago
Ich bin nicht fließend aber ich kann gut genug kommunizieren.
omcx1 2 years ago
And I still do not see how you expect to have any credibility when you continue to make pointless comparisons. No one is comparing the temperature of a pyre in Dresden to a pyre in Treblinka. The comparison is the temperature of the fires resulting from a city-wide incendiary raid by thousands of planes to the temperature of an open pit. I would think that was VERY clear. Maybe I should use smaller words.
omcx1 2 years ago
OK so you accept you were mistaken.
Clear question. How many people were burned on pyre (s) in Dresden? How long did it take?
I still do not know the location of these pyres other than the one I claim exist. If you made this up just say so and we can move on.
alanheath 2 years ago
There are no reliable numbers from Dresden. The city was full of refugees and other non-residents. They were not concerned with counting bodies they were concerned with preventing the spread of disease. Estimates, as you knw, vary wildly. we will never know the correct numbers.
omcx1 2 years ago
So you do not know how many people were killed and I accept that no-one was counting.
But you have not told me where the pyres were.
Please answer the questions. Dont use personal insults - answer the questions.
alanheath 2 years ago
Learn to read. It says very clearly on my profile that I do not enter into correspondence with anonymous people. I have no intention of entering into long correspondence with people who do not introduce themselves and certain not people who have psychological and anger problems.
alanheath 2 years ago
I have noticed that you also refuse to talk to anyone who exposes your lack of research and knowledge. The mark of someone whi knows their limitations.
omcx1 2 years ago
Name one person I have refused to talk to.
alanheath 2 years ago
You blocked me from one of your videos over a year ago when I cleaned your clock on it's subject.
omcx1 2 years ago
Aerial photos show that the buildings on the site were only destroyed AFTER the Soviets took over the area. The convict labor camp 1KM north of the supposed death camp, is known to have housed thousands of prisoners. The soviets founs exactly 10 bodies there. They cited no evidence of bodies at the supposed death camp, only a story of the open burning of bodies at a rate that is not even remotely possible. Open pits do not reach a sufficient temperature to cremate completely.
omcx1 2 years ago
More lack of knowledge and none of the site. Even at T1 bodies were largely burned.
alanheath 2 years ago
Alan, the people who hope to prove the whole holocaust is a lie (I am NOT one of them) LOVE people like you. You make feeble attempts to support your position that are the result of little knowledge and no research. You film. So what? TRY READING. Try visiting archives. Try researching ALL SIDES OF THE STORY because until you have you are in no position to make statements about what is or is not true and supported by evidence.
omcx1 2 years ago
You really are very silly are not you. I have shown quite detailled research on this site alone but people like you, full of their own insiginificance and lack of knowledge, would rather use insults based on zero knowledge.
What archive, in your opinion, have I not visited?
alanheath 2 years ago
detailed research? You don't know the meaning of the term. Your tourist videos are NOT detailed research.
omcx1 2 years ago
Open pits in Treblinka do not reach temperature to cremate properly but they do in Dresden????
alanheath 2 years ago
The main rail station and line at Treblinka remained open for public travel well after the supposed murders started and the entire supposed camp was plainly visible from the town of Wolka Okraglik, only 600 meters across the field from the camp. There were no gates on the raods to the camp. Aerial photos of the camp from 1944 show the same farmhouse and outbuildings that existed before the war and no evidence of any other structures or disturbance of the ground.
omcx1 2 years ago
I do not know what the word 'main' means here but I will try to guess. Treblinka is not and was not on the main line. The station at Treblinka is some distance from the camp (see a map) indeed Treblinka is not the closest village to the camp as can be seen in one of my films. The road to the camp was built by the Nazis. There was a gate to the camp - how could people get in? Why should there be gates on the roads? What prewar photographs are there?
alanheath 2 years ago
The "postwar photos" are CLEARLY not from Treblinka. Nothing about them is correct. The soil is wrong, the flora is wrong, and the surrounding area is not even close to that surrounding Treblinka. It is more likely the site of a soviet massacre. They committed more of them than the Germans did and tried to blame all of them on the Germans like those at Katyn and Ukraine. there are more problems....
omcx1 2 years ago
What post war photos are not from Treblinka? What should the soil and flora be and what is it?
What Soviet massacre are you claiming this is from?
What other problems are there?
Lots of accusations, no facts to back them up.
alanheath 2 years ago
Krege never formally released the GPR results so there is nothing to debunk. Why make such a poor effort to do so? First, the Polish investigation means very little when it comes from a Soviet puppet government and the Soviets are known to have faked evidence by the trainload. It does not even read like a serious investigation. It starts with the accepted story and then looks for proof to fit the pre-concieved story. Continued...
omcx1 2 years ago
Scientific evidence supercedes all "claims", or "eyewitnesses".
Humans have the capacity to lie and stretch the truth. Science is just Science. It is what it is.
Treblinka wasn't a death camp, now lets move on to the next camp.
Any finding, or lack thereof, shouldn't, by any means, take away the shame of having these inoccent people put in the prisons to begin with.......
brian8793 2 years ago
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vacavaconve 2 years ago
this video is "bull" ! you cannot quote the allies as a reliable source to prove allies claims, that isn't logic. All you have is jewish historians and allies reports to prove their own claims. however if you ask neonazis they also will present their own proves pointing out the opposite.
DERZEEMANS 2 years ago
this video is bullshit
truthbringer2012 2 years ago
"In 1959, third Reich historian Marin Gilbert . . . [said] 'we reached an enormous clearing. . . Darkness was falling, and with it . . . a cold dew. . . . The earth beneath my feet was coarse and sharp: filled with the fragments of human bone.'"
So, 15 years after the war, in an area prone to dampness, there in the shallow earth lies undecomposed bone fragments identifiable in the semi-darkness as human to a person with no training as a physical anthropologist.
kenp3L 3 years ago
This video is Horse shit!
If you can't prove the existence of 870,000 Bodies in Mass Graves, you can't prove the Holocaust.
The only forensic report on the 'gas chambers' ever submitted at Nuremberg was one that claimed Jews were STEAMED to death. "STEAMINGS" were "PROVEN" at Treblinka in the Pohl Trial, Fourth Nuremberg Trial, NMT IV, 1119-1152.(Fourth National Military Tribunal, Nuremberg), and Nuremberg docs. 1553-PS, 3311-PS.
So much for Soviet "Investigations of War Crimes"!
panzermacher 3 years ago
Five months ago I asked when Krege allegedly visited Treblinka. I have written to him. I have written to his company. And no-one, not even Krege himself can give me an answer.
The only conclusion is that he was never there - he just made it all up and the naive denier liars will swallow any nonsense, no matter how ridiculous, as long as it backs their racist agenda.
alanheath 3 years ago
Since hearing of the alleged Krege visit to Treblinka several years ago, I have repeatedly asked for the dates. No-one has supplied me with them. The authorities have no records. This is a simple question. Yet denier liars cannot answer it. Krege was never there. He is a fraud.
Anyone claiming otherwise can supply me with the answer to the simple question:
WHEN DO YOU ALLEGE THAT KREGE WAS THERE?
alanheath 4 years ago 2
Um I don't believe him.... but I found this.
October, 1999, for six days...
JesusChick123 3 years ago
That is the claim but he is going to have to do better than that. I have also heard three weeks claimed.
So he was on site for six days in a six day visit. Not impossible - but he must have been going pretty fast from the airport. Not bad after a flight half way around the world!
The question is why is there no record? Where did the equipment come from? Brought in? Then there must be customs papers? Or hired on site? Only if it were stolen - or the story is lies - is there no record.
alanheath 3 years ago
Krege is undoubtedly a fraud. You make very valid points. Furthermore I checked with the authorities for October 1999. No record. As it is illegal to use metal detectors and similar devices at such sites without permission, surely such a large investigative team would have been spotted. But nothing. Nobody knew anything. Conclusion. He was not there. He made it up. Film showing someone with something that looks like a lawnmower was probably done by photoshop or something similar.
alanheath 4 years ago
if they didnt find a million teeth there werent any murders.
xtiml 4 years ago
No, because it is doubtful that the teeth would survive cremation and subsequent crushing with wooden dowels. Nice try bud.
64Rufus64 4 years ago
A point on teeth is that at Belzec very few teeth were found but huge quantities of bones were, and until recently bone fragments littered the area of the former camp.
alanheath 4 years ago
Very good. I agree about free speech etc. The pictures really proved a point about that ground scan thing. The only thing deniers could debate now is statistics of the dead - but why should it be a numbers game - 1,000 murdered or 10,000,000 murdered - people were murdered!! It shouldn't always be about numbers, but I guess that thw world we live in.
Gooner018 4 years ago
are thephotos really from treblinka? creamation of one body requires two to three hours at one thousand eight hundred degrees f physicaly impossible within time frame claimed
poconopete50 4 years ago
Yes. Now back up the rest of your post with evidence.
64Rufus64 4 years ago
So this character is claiming that bodies are destroyed at a constant temperature of 1,800C for at least two hours? Is he crazy? Has he ever done any cooking for example?
alanheath 4 years ago
The time to destroy a body would depend on how much fuel was being used and its position. However we need to remember that only the 'meat' was burnt - the bones were smashed up and dumped in the Bug.
alanheath 4 years ago
Thank you. But tell me, why do you admire NS?
64Rufus64 5 years ago
And what, pray tell, does lokulotes have to do with me? I haven't denied any of your video responses or will in the future. It's becoming painfully obvious that you consider my vid to debunk the Krege nonsense which is why you don't accept it as a vid response.
64Rufus64 5 years ago
Why didn't you accept my vid as a response? Well anyway, thanks for signifying that you consider my vid to debunk the horseshit krege investigations, or else you would have allowed it as a vid response.
64Rufus64 5 years ago
Is the above somehow supposed to prove something?
64Rufus64 5 years ago
Just like your wishful thinking.
64Rufus64 5 years ago
I wonder why YouTube allows a Holocaust Denial series to be uploaded. This in itself would be considered a crime in most civilized countries, amongst which Germany.
hgintern 5 years ago
Although I think of denial to be pure undiluted horseshit that belongs in the rubbish bin of history, I believe that everyone has a right to freedom of speech. The law that prohibits denial in Germany is counterproductive and gives deniers an excuse for their miserable 'research'.
64Rufus64 5 years ago
It certainly makes a mockery of the neo Nazi excuse that people like Krege cannot publish their findings for fear of arrest but can make unsubstantiated allegations whilst working for the Australian government.
And if Krege works for the air traffic control down under yet cannot see a railway siding, cemetary and quarry then really they ought to be a bit less politically correct towards those that are visually challenged.
alanheath 4 years ago 2
"I wonder why YouTube allows a Holocaust Denial series to be uploaded."
They don't. They took down a very informative series by denairbud called onethirdoftheholocaust calling it "hate speech" of some such shit. The truth is it debunked some sacred myths of the holocaust intelligently and persuasively so it was yanked.
floghammer 4 years ago
Deniarbud not "denairbud" sorry about the typo
floghammer 4 years ago
Hardly informative - no research whatsoever other than in California.
The Bug river camps are in Poland, not California.
Poland is around 10,000km from California for those that do not know.
alanheath 4 years ago
"This in itself would be considered a crime in most civilized countries, amongst which Germany"
A civilized country allows the free exchange of ideas. That is the only way the truth will always prevail. If the Shoah was true, there would be no need for holocaust denial laws because there would be no holocaust deniers.
floghammer 4 years ago