I am a lover of animals & I believe firmly in a bill for animal rights.The cruelty towards them is sickening all over the world,WHEN,WHEN,WHEN, will they be treated as equals under law,homelife,internationally if you please.
We need to stop acting like were on top of everything in the world. If we keep going like this soon there will be nothing left and in turn we'll have condemned ourselves. I treat animals the way I would want to be treated. I don't buy animal tested products (if available) and I don't eat meat. I hope one day we'll wake up and realize the way we're living is so sickly.
What does being an atheist have to do with this one way or the other??? Religion is of no consequence, rather it is a hindrance. It gets in the way of reasoning. This man is incredible. Leave it there.
Tom Regan on the sidebar on the ''late late show'' an irish talk show: In that video he has gray long hair & beard in 2001, here his hair is coloured. X years later & he is saying the exact same argument, saddens me that his straight up logic & other AR activists haven't been heard strongly & that it has been another 10 years later
@TheTvrulesthenation This was filmed in 1989. so its x years earlier than your date. Also I don't know what planet you are on but there has been unbelievable changes in Britain since this time.
1. Hunting with dogs has been banned (some thing I thought I would never see in my lifetime)
2. The arrest and imprisonment of Mary Chipperfield, the owner of the long established Chipperfield circus, for cruelty to animals. This has led to the complete ban on Animal Circuses on council land in the uk.
And upon researching, i feel the need to point you towards Gary Francione a vegan law & ethics professor criticism of welfarism. His articles are amazing, one thread of thought he uses is how welfare movements only further convince the public it is alright in some forms to use animals if even the AR groups are happy at successfully banning a single issue (eg dogs in hunting)
@TheTvrulesthenation 1. Yes that is true. I myself have done the same thing by trying to persuade people to eat free range meat instead of factory farm products. Do you think I should be arguing that every one should be Vegan? I don't think I would be very successfull. What do you think? It's alright putting out arguments of pure ethics but in practise you have go for what you can achieve. Also you may have to lower your aims in order to help and join other groups,
Francione addresses this, i would've 100% agreed with you months back & said to try public persuasion from a-b-c-d. But as Francione points out this doesn't make something intrinsically wrong any better (eg promoting ''humane'' slavery as was done 200 years ago), AND it does enforce the idea that animals are alright to use etc as long as its done under certain conditions, basically welfare is there to make people feel good about something they are inclined to feel is wrong
eg you hear all the time of ''humane slaughter'' a complete oxymoron to make the public feel better about butchering an animal for food.
Of course most people aren't going to jump from X lifestyle to a vegan lifestyle, encourage them to make the change in their own time BUT never promote anything other than veganism as the moral baseline. One needs to only look at the egg-dairy industry to see the flaw in ethical vegetarianism ie ''for the animals''
As francione says, we are at a point in history where there has been more welfare laws for animals then ever before & yet there is no correlation that this has moved people towards veganism, instead more animals are being slaughtered each year. A new mode of thought is needed, not single issue campaigns that deems banning dogs from hunting a success & reinforces the perception that huntil is neutral, but hunting with dogs is unethical.
@TheTvrulesthenation1. Yes that is true, however I disagree with you when you say never promote anything other than a Vegan lifesyle. It depends on the situation and who I'm adresssing. I don' say eating free range meat is good, but better for us as Humans and for the Animals themselves. My experience has shown me that people act mainly in there own interests. Therefore I appeal to this aspect if i can whether it be guilt over cruelty, or health concerns they may have. MTF(more to follow)
You misread me, as i said veganism should be the moral baseline most people care about animals & get stressed when they see slaughter videos etc they don't want to be part of all this murder for food & such. Of course very few will go vegan straight out, so we should encourage people to eat less meat etc but show them how veganism is the only consistent ethical model. But we shouldn't be so pessimistic as to say ''oh well not many will go vegan so lets promote welfarism''
@TheTvrulesthenation 'Veganism should be the moral baseline...' How do you justify that statement?. As far as I know the moral baseline is Dr Tom Regans philosophy. This philosophy is not all encompassing and Regan only says we should give the Animals not covered the benefit of the doubt. So how can you justify this emotive word 'Murder' in this case?. Also, does this mean that as a Vegan I can now go out and indulge my passion for hunting. I promise I won't eat what I kill.
As i keep saying please refer to Gary Franciones online articles at Abolitionist approach.com, you'll get a full read (rather than 250 characters) & it much better explained + no tennis match debates.
I don't really understand however how you thought my last message correlated to hunting as morally acceptable?
@TheTvrulesthenation 1. I don't like the statement 'Moral Baseline' when refering to veganism. The Abolitionist's morality is based on any creature that 'be sentient' and have 'cognitive awareness'. Veganism is the action to be taken to realise this morality. That makes sense.
You can't make the act of Veganism a moral philosopy it is a response, not a thought process.
You fall down a well. You have a right to live so my response is to throw a rope.and haul you out. The rope is not moral. MTF
@TheTvrulesthenation 2.Their philosophy is based (as far as I can tell) on Peter Singers Animal Liberation. This book had no effect on me at all. True Animal Rights Philosophy started for me with Regans 'The case for Animal Rights,' everyone in the world should read this book. It's a much stronger position because it is put across form a Human position. Regan states that any qualities in Humans that give rise to rights must logically be extended to Animals if they posses the same qualities MTF
@TheTvrulesthenation 3. I agree with their moral attacks on welfarists. I don't think they are attacking single welfare acts but more the philosophy behind it. Everyone should be pleased with the end to hunting Circus etc. But groups like the RSPCA have definitly held back Animal rights in the past (although it is now been infiltrated by more aggressive people)
The welfare groups I know of all accept animals as self aware. MTF
@TheTvrulesthenation 4. Also the British goverment has accepted farm Animals are conscious so I don't think their statement that the welfarist don't accept self awareness is true in England.
I think the thing I really don't like about them is when they say things like 'going Vegan' can take you to 'complete non violence' - Complete Rubbish.
@TheTvrulesthenation 2. For instance; the alarming rise in antibiotic resistant bacteria can be stongly associated with intensly reared Animals. These Animals are routinely pumped full of Antibiotics. According to the World Health Authority, eggs, milk and meat produced from these Animals can be the source of superbugs.
This statement is true and can be checked. Many people (I have found) will act in their own interests and switch to free range produce. MTF
@TheTvrulesthenation 3. When I was at University I was engaged in a debate on Animal rights with a group from the socialist workers party (they lost). In that situation I argued pure Animal rights because it was appropriate to do so,
What I do not like above anything else is suffering, whether in Humans or Animals. If Suffering can be alleviated or reduced in any way possible, by any argument, then I will use it. MTF
@TheTvrulesthenation 4. The problem I see with purists is that they isolate themselves from people, They have nothing to do with people who eat meat and don't empathize with them, There are a lot of examples of this on you tube. You get statements like 'The Human race should be destroyed with Atomic Bombs' or 'dosn't deserved to survive'. Well; I don't want to be part of those thought patterns.
3. The introduction of The british Animal rights bill which has made wide changes across the board. The treatment of Amimals on farms a major part of that bill. Have you noticed how many supermarkets are selling free range products from hens to pigs. The RSPCA now has real power to prosecute thoes who abuse Animals and they are doing just that.
The closing of Hill Grove cat farm in Oxfordshire (i was on that one)
3. You should not get downhearted or lethargic because of abuse to Animals. There is still a lot to be done but there is some light. The sad thing is that Tom Reagans influence is strongest not in his native country but here in Britain. His book adorns the shelfs of Philosophy departments and libraries all over the uk, (it is seen as the Gospel) but he never gets a mention in his own country. (in the media anyway)
Your facts are interesting & i will say i was unaware (i'm not from Britain nor born when this video took place). I was merely expressing that it is saddening how the mainstream attitude to animal exploitation in some forms is positive (eg as you say banned dogs hunting which many support) but then in the meat-industry such as british factory farming it is largely ignored.
I like Regan, he's so clear & down to earth with how he explains his belief.
@TheTvrulesthenation Actually, one of my facts was wrong. Mary Chipperfield was fined £7500 but did not go to prison. (she would have under the 2006 welfare act.)
The 2006 Animal welfare act states sec1 sub1
'In this Act,... ''animal'' means a Vertebrate other than man.
Section 2 states
An ''animal'' is protected if (a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Isles.
@TheTvrulesthenation 2. Send me your Email address and I'll post you/ or anyone out there who's interested, a copy of the 2006 Animal Welfare Bill and you can see the changes for yourself. Although its a bit out of date because a revised version with extensions will soon be coming into effect.
I appreciate the the time you take to reply and all but i personally do not feel comfortable handing personal info across the net to strangers, you've given me enough of a diving board to research further so thank you. Best of luck
i say i want to be a vegitarian because i agree wholeheartedly with Dr Tom Regan and everyone i know starts saying im daft, because animals are exploited across the board. why am i made to feel like a fool for caring?
Why doesn't main stream religion embrace compassion for God's creatures??
Jesus was a radical and went against the world's ways. God created His creatures to rightfully live naturally in their natural environment. It is rational, logical, ethically and morally 'correct' and 'right'. Our understanding and support of this affects and reflects our relationship with God. We will be held accountable someday for every creature as Hebrews 4:13 states.
I've thought seriously on the abortion issue and have argued from both sides in my life. I am a vegan but I do support a woman's right to choose. I've come to the conclusion that a growing embryo is not analogous to a fully conscious being that suffers and has complex awareness. In other words, a cow has rights that a fetus does not. This is NOT an anti-human position, (in fact women's reproductive rights are pro-human) rather I give rights to beings with awareness and sentience
CONT Abortion is an issue two sides will never agree on. And I am by no means representative of the animal rights movement in my acceptance of it. However, Tom Regan's own animal rights theory emphasizes consciousness and awareness, which a fetus does not have until it is born. So far my rights theory is consistent with allowing abortion.
You might be trying to get me to suggest I support animal life and not human life, but "life" is generally more complex.than a fetus.
@HumidNightblueFruit I applaud your well thought out explanation, but I do have another question...have you ever heard of a silent scream? in abortion terms? It is a very graphic thing that you should watch. I did not always used to be against abortion until I went to the Body's exhibit, something that has gone around the world show how the body exactly works and what it looks like, but what changed me is the fetus part, it is amazing in just two weeks what a baby looks like! Check it out!
@ Duraldehunter: Fuck off? Is this really the only argument you can come up with? "So is your case on really thin ice. When you attack people personally rather than academic arguments, it is usually obvious signs of weakness. Are you weak? "I think so. Reading your comments between the lines, or lack thereof :-)
Animal Rights asks a simple question: Granted that harming human beings is wrong, and that animals have intellegence and an emotional capacity strong enough to be "harmed" in the true sense of the word, why justification is there to factory farm animals, hunt or harm them in other ways?
I've never come across a coherent, acceptable argument that suggests it's morally consistent to treat humans well but to factory farm pigs.
Good video, first is important to stop to eat all kind of animals. Just with this decision is avoiding killing hundreds of creature in one human life.
A meat eater can't complain about pollution or global warming, because raising animal for food is one of the major sources of deforestation for give land to factory farms.
Statistics say that people in the UK are on average 12 yards from a rat. Maybe we should think of rats welfare, and stop the systematic extermination of these adorable and intellegente animals whose adaptability is close to unique among mammals. It's not the rats fault, we humans see ourselves threatened by them. Next time you see a rat hunter, make a demonstration against his work. Rats've also right to live. Save the rats from the bad people.
Statistics say that people in the UK are on average 12 yards from a rat. Maybe we should think of rats welfare, and stop the systematic extermination of these adorable and intellegente animals whose adaptability is close to unique among mammals. It's not the rats fault, we humans see ourselves threatened by them. Next time you see a rat hunter, make a demonstration against his work. Rats've also right to live. Save the rats from the bad people.
I agree with the statement that "People who are for animal rights are noble, intellectual and made in the image of God! These people are also brave, and stand strong in their beliefs. They don't waver just because someone else doesn't agree. You are amazing, According to the bible we are the keepers of the Earth. Therefore we need to take care of her. We need to love and take care of the animals also and quit treating them as a means and start treating them as an ends!
"This moral philosophy, utilitarianism, has a long and venerable history, influential men and women, past and present, are among its adherents and yet it is a bankrupt moral philosophy if ever there was one."
@skjoyner :) I don't mean to be so defensive, but I hate the idea of animals being hurt. I can't wait till In vitro meat is readily available to the public. :D
@IAmTheCthulhu screw you coward little bitch. I told a joke and you reply to a video of my 2 y.o. niece calling her a bitch and hope she dies. I'd beat your little chicken shit ass to a pulp with a baseball bat if I knew where you lived. I'd even fly to where your at to do it. young little stupid punk
@skjoyner quit stalking me. you act like humans have a soul or something. are you trying to get me to reveal to you where I live? are you unstable or something? do you realize that is a form of domestic terrorism. I won't report you now, but I will if you keep coming to me with pseudo-threats and checking my channel to find where I comment. gee, 53 and making threats. how mature.
@IAmTheCthulhu report me bitch. call my 2 y.o. niece a bitch and wish she was dead. I'd blow your head off if I knew where you lived. Now go report me you 19 y.o little punk HO. I gave you my correct address, come over anytime.
@skjoyner I never fucking said shit. You're just delusional. Just go bother someone else, because you're not finding out where I live because you're apparently crazy enough to hurt my loved ones as well. I'm trying to be nice. Walk away before this escalates into something ridiculous.
@skjoyner If anyone had said something, its not like your niece would have known what it meant or who said it. Don't worry about revenge, just go enjoy what little time you apparently have of your life (you're 53, you only have on average 20 more years to teach her not to be a ho) and enjoy your freedom, family and everything else. You act like some nutty whack job veteran from vietnam or korea. go play with your niece instead of harassing me. spend your time (the only life you have) wisely.
@IAmTheCthulhu Many talk plenty shit online but scared shitless to do it in public. You teach your prostitute mom who bore you not to sell sex just so her Negro pimp can have plenty of money. And teach "your own daughter" if or when you have not to be a little slut and whore when she grows up, like I know she will be. I'm sure any sisters you have are sluts too.
@jehophus Not really. Their genetics would still be different. We've given rat embryos human thumbs. Does it make them human? no. it just means they have human qualities. if you mean their thinking ability would make them human because they'd be capable and aware of what being humane is then I wouldn't call it humane since human beings are only humane to their own species in most instances, when being humane applies to all forms of life. animals can think, though, so maybe some day be like us.
Most comments I see here make me feel sad for the human race. To understand and live the animal rights principle allows one to enjoy and love animals, both human and not and to love the earth and her creator without violence or placing oneself above others. It is a far more peaceful and happier existence than most humans experience. I hope at least some people were touched by Mr. Regan's words and will read more about this way of living and thinking. Thanks
Dontrickrollme,I agree. And don't you just love it when people justify killing animals with Bible passages.I believe in God,but do you honestly trust human beings to keep the exact word of the Bible without manipulation for all these years?Animals deserve the same humane treatment any other human being would.They suffer just like you and I, and when it's because of humans,it is wrong any way you want to look at it. I often wonder why some haven't evolved spiritually enough to realize this fact.
At least not everyone is ignorant im glad you can see it. What I found hilarious is his comment about "rebelling against god" because im a vegetarian and choose not to eat meat.
Judges 15:4 So Samson went and caught 300 foxes and took torches. And he turned them tail to tail and put a torch between each pair of tails. 5 And when he had set fire to the torches, he let the foxes go into the standing grain of the Philistines and set fire to the stacked grain and the standing grain, ...
Matthew 8:32 And he said to them, Go. So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters.
He is rebelling against God. God blessed us with animals to eat and we may use animals for our purpose with thanksgiving. We are not to be cruel for cruelty sake, but some things may seem cruel to the carnal man using man's reasoning, but animals do not have any rights and God never intened them to have rights. The principles of taking care of your own animal is a principle for man to follow, God doesn't care about animals, he cares about us and sent his son to die for man, not animals.
Sorry but I think the whole concept goes against the reality of nature. And in reality humans will either learn to enhabit other planets or we will drive ourselves to, or near, extinction as a result of our success in exploiting the world around us to suit our personal comfort. To presume it is our responsibility to extend the same rights to other species that we extend to our own species which has enabled us to practically take over the plalnet is obsurd!
@jmdnarri This man is right all animals should be treated with respect just like any human being. They are not ours to capture and kill and are still like us in a lot of ways. People could get by without eating meat because there is plenty of things that contain protein and are a lot healthier for you.
I do treat animals with respect and acknowledge that humans are animals as well. I also see no reason to extend rights to humans that other species do not extend to us. Hence if I were in a lion's territiory and he killed and ate me, or I came between a mother bear and her cubs, I would consider it just the way nature is and would not consider it evil. A wolf or cyote or cougar has a right to eat a deer, rabbit, or antelope, but I do not have the right to eat a cow??
@dontrickrollme Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
Luke 22:8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction,
@PeterCornstalk There are a lot of different versions of the bible im pretty sure somebody just made that up and I believe god would intend all animals to live despite what any bible says. Animals suffer a lot of pain when we slaughter them and I know its wrong.
there are 4 kinds of animals...pets, pests, beasts of burden, and food.
understand, the vast majority of animals used for food are herbivorous. If we don't kill them for food, we must share a vegetarian diet with them. then at some point we must decide to slaughter them anyway, and not use them for food, or let them die of starvation...and THAT is a very long and very painful process!
So, you think you are kind, but you have no idea what pain you will bring to animals.
Lot's of humans are starving too but when it's an animal you look at it from a different point of view. We wouldn't kill an actual person if they were starving and it shouldn't be any different with animals. People should just let them roam free as nature intended because they were here long before we were. Eating any form of meat is terrible for you. It's bad for your heart, causes constipation, contains parasites, and really serves no purpose other then the greedy profiting from slaughter.
Lol that doesn't make sense. We're the ones bringing these animals into existence for our own greedy consumption. Ever heard of a (factory)farm? There would be less animals to 'compete' with if we didn't expend so much time bringing them into existence and then slaughtering them.
I was in Glendale when I spotted a guy yanking on the leash and the dog would yelp and drop to the ground and shake, I was traumatized by that because I love cats and dogs and birds and all, I wanted to get out and do something for that gentle little cocker spaniel but even in this country, animals have no rights. I wish a monster like that could be sued "by the dog" I would be the first one to become an animal rights lawyer. I trust that God does and will give it back to sobs like that.
If there is one thing that we should make sure of its that we progress toward bringing no creature forth for a pitifully short and unnatural existence.
Man has had his share of the earth, its time now to give back some of what we have taken by ending animal exploitation and experiments and creating, protecting, and re-establishing natural habitats.
This will not only bring great benefits to all mankind but to animal kind also .
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Dear Animal Rights Hypocrites, please die a slow and painful death, and may your children die in a car fire cause by a vegan who is dizzy behind the wheel from lack of protein. You are the scum of society comparable to terrorists. You are the people who are slowly ruining the USA. You will never stop the hunt for the forests would be ruined you ignorant cocksuckers. To all the PETA people, George W Bush, Dickhead Cheyney, and Barrack Obamination, may you all rot in hell. God save America.
can anyone please tell me how am i gonna get his full speech and put it on my flash drive so that i can present it on presentation on animal rights for my english class please..i really need it
because people destroy the earth, and animals do not. To me its not animal rights. Rights would mean they have their own bathrooms, and they can vote. Its more of animal wellfare. Also, you may not realize it but corporate greed such as the seed steralization going down at monsanto is what keeps produce from being a limitless supply. Also, human intervention towards the natural ways between species of animals is unnatural.
So are you suggesting that we kill humans so the planet is better for animals? If a bear injures a dear should we nurse it back to health but let starving children die?Give your head a shake.
@denizen09 no they are retarded and should have to go to special ed and humans are more important than animals animal importance is 0 percent and humans ar 100 percent
That's because PETA is a joke. They objectify women, use cheap marketing tactics and do ridiculous PR stunts to get publicity. Yet they are supposed to stand for animal rigths, a serious, ethical issue. PETA brings nothing but ridicule to the animal rights movement. They also promote the "Happy meat and dairy" scam. These big organizations can never be trusted, they always have some hidden agenda. As a vegan and animal rights advocate I wish PETA would dissapear and make way for serious people.
KFC kills 1 billion chickens every year; 1 million chickens are eaten every hour in the U.S. And now "abolitionists" want to blame PETA for this? Every year, 850 million chickens go to the scalding tank alive, and you criticize PETA for daring to stop this hideousness?
Such scandalous spin is expected from the factory-farming industry's hired gun, David Martosko, of the CCF, not from fellow activists.
Where in my post do I say anything about PETA being responsible for the death of 1 billion chickens? Read my post again and adress the points I made instead of making strawmen. Such an important issue as animal rights require a level of seriousness and competence wich PETA lacks. We need people like Tom Reagan to teach and present solid arguments, not half naked women running around with face paint f.ex. Such actions will not inform people, however, it will surely alienate them from the message.
In their 28 years, PETA's serious work has exposed the most vulgar forms of cruelty inflicted upon animals that the sadistic human mind has ever devised; surely you have seen PETA's undercover investigations into Butterball, Pilgrims's Pride, and Tyson.
There is no one single approach to exposing animal exploitation. That you believe PETA's racy campaigns and street theatrics lack decorum is inconsequential. Animals are suffering immensely, and that warrants action.
What are rights? Who gives you rights? What can you do with rights? Why does anyone deserve rights? Can you earn rights or are you born with them? Who decides who gets what rights? Which rights are more important?
I cannot dismiss "animal rights" out of hand--for the moment let us put that aside--I am baffled as to how you reach a non-theistic rights model for non-human animals and a pro-choice model for abortion. To talk about psychology rather than ethics/morals now--human beings cannot stop killing their own kind in mass numbers--the power to destroy the world still rests in the hands of a few mortal men--how do we ever get to animal rights? Some of those men in the past were willing to destroy it.
Los seres humanos comen, usan para ciencia, cazan, entrapan y explotan de varias maneras los animales, y esos animales tienen el derecho a una vida suya, la cual tiene importancia para ellos aparte de su utilidad para nosotros. No solamente estan en el mundo sino que tambien estan conscientes de ese mundo y de todo lo que les pasa. Lo que les pasa les importa. Cada uno tiene una vida que puede ser bueno o malo. Tanto como nosotros, tienen una presencia psicologica en este mundo.
Tanto como nosotros, son "alguien" y no "algo." De esta manera fundamental, los animales no humanos que se encuentran en ranchos y en laboratorios, por ejemplo, son iguales a los seres humanos. Asi es que las eticas que guian nuestro trato con ellos y entre si debe tener muchos de los mismos principios morales fundamentales. A su nivel mas profundo, una etica humana culta esta basada en el valor de la independecia del individuo.
El hecho de tratar a seres humanos de una manera que no respeta su valor independiente, el hecho de reducirlos al estatus de herramientas o modelos o productos, por ejemplo, significa una violacion de eso, el derecho humano mas basico, el derecho de ser respetado. La filosofia de los defensores de los derechos de los animales demanda nada mas que el logico sea respetado para cualquier argumento que explica de un modo plausible el valor independiente de los seres humanos implica que los animales-
-tienen el mismo valor y que lo tienen de igual manera. Como resultado de la representacion selectiva de los medios de comunicacion en el pasado, (esta reunion es una excepcion), el publico en general ha tenido la tendencia de considerar a los activistas pro-animales bajo terminos muy negativos. Anti-intelectual, anti-ciencia, anti-racional, anti-humano, que nos identificamos en contra de la justicia y para la violencia. La verdad es todo lo contrario.
If I find a stray dog and shoot it with a BB gun for kicks and giggles, am I treated it with property? If we're going to treat all sentient beings, human and nonhuman with respect, then to not treat them as commodities for sale and consumption is not the only obligation.
I agree that not treating others as property is not the only obligation for equality.
However, legally speaking it is the only way to ensure that animals are treated equally...
Also, the abolition of the property status of animals would mean that thier would be no more animals in domestication such as dogs. So you couldn't shoot the dog w/ the BB gun.
THier would still be animals in the wild, but they wouldn't be the property of anyone else...
Well no, legally speaking it should also be illegal to go out and hunt animals, which doesn't require any buying or selling of animals. If I were to shoot squirrels (rather than dogs) with a BB gun, then that doesn't require me to treat them as property. Similarly, if I were to drive those squirrels out of their home to cut down a forest to build a shopping mall, that, too, has nothing to do with whether or not they are property. So animals certainly have a right to more than not being property.
My thoughts? Make it illegal to harm an animal for any reason other than self-defense. Harm includes inflictions (physical injury, psychological distress, disease) and deprivations (keeping them confined, taking them out of their habitat, depriving them of their young).
and another thing i kind of believe in some animal rights... 0-0.. Like some animals should have rights based on a matter of intelligence. not all animals should especially the tasty ones.
Really? How many animals are killed every year to feed you? Millions. Ploughing the fields, killing off the animals that compete for the crops. Organic farms are no different.
Hunters kill fewer animals than you do. And they preserve wilderness.
And therefore? What, animals get killed for plant based crops, and so somehow we are justified in eating meet, thereby killing more animals, including the ones that we kill to make massive crops to grow all the grain that we feed to livestock? Ingenious argument.
Animals that are killed to protect crops? Deer, mice, rats, racoons, billions of insects, birds, and so on.
Hunters kill animals that live on non-agricultural, wild land. And we don't bother the lower animals at all, unlike agriculture which ploughs millions of small animals under every year.
I don't eat non-organic meat. If I eat it, I killed it. Fish, deer, buffalo, various birds, rabbits, and so on
The animals I kill live in the forest I own (except the buffalo which I get in Montanna)
Even if Veganism, as you say, isn't a practical way to minimize animal death, I don't understand why it follows that they have no rights. Heck, what you're writing here almost seems to imply that you believe animals' interests are morally relevant and that we should minimize animal suffering and death, and that the only way to do so is to kill them in moderation. Or am I mistaken?
I minimize animal suffering by making sure that when I take an animal I do so with the most lethal option available to me, with the minimum chance of a wounding.
Hunting squirrels, I go for head shots so they die instantly. Bird hunting I use dogs to make sure they are recovered quickly and if still living, quickly dispatched. With deer, I go for reliably lethal shots.
But they have no RIGHT to such treatment. It is my essential compassion that dictates that I minimize suffering.
If humansd have the right to our moral consideration, then surely at least some animals must also have that right. I cannot conceive of how moral rights could be conferred simply on the basis of biological species.
Also, where do you get your fruits and vegetables? If you're so averse to agricultural practices that have the side-effect of killing animals, then I'm interested to hear your answer.
I have no aversion to eating agriculturally produced foods. I just like to point out the hypocrisy of vegans lecturing me about hunting, & forcing them to face the fact that they kill more animals than I do.
Also, if they really cared about endangered species, they would encorage them to be farmed for their meat and fur. How many farmed animals are rare?
Not to mention that by making farmed clouded leopard skins available, you would collapse the value of the poached skins. Reducing the incentive for killing them in the wild.
Establish a breeding population which can be returned to the wild, and destroy the illicit market in their skins in one fell swoop.
Deer? Because we killed off the natural predators. I am all for re-introducing the wolves and mountain lions (there is one on my land adjoining the Savannah River plant complex right now).
We didn't kill off the wolves because they killed deer, historically. We killed them off because they killed people....
And the first schoolkid that dies in the jaws of a wolfpack and every limp dick out there will be screaming for the death of the wolves again....
We killed them because they killed people? I was under the impression that wolves tended to avoid people. Can you provide some evidence for your argument? What I said comes from the essay "Thinking Like a Mountain" by Aldo Leopold. Wolves killed deer. Hunters wanted to hunt the deer. Hunters killed the wolves.
Our history of early settlement and colonization is rife with accounts of humans being killed by various predatory animals. It is also quite possible that we killed them to reduce competition, but I have not read about that.
Wolves are not stupid however, and as our weaponry improved they learned to avoid us. Today you can go to Yellowstone and witness them taking down prey (I have personally seen them take elk twice while cross country skiing in Leopold Canyon).
I am a lover of animals & I believe firmly in a bill for animal rights.The cruelty towards them is sickening all over the world,WHEN,WHEN,WHEN, will they be treated as equals under law,homelife,internationally if you please.
Poldark3 3 weeks ago
We need to stop acting like were on top of everything in the world. If we keep going like this soon there will be nothing left and in turn we'll have condemned ourselves. I treat animals the way I would want to be treated. I don't buy animal tested products (if available) and I don't eat meat. I hope one day we'll wake up and realize the way we're living is so sickly.
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HAIKU
I hatch! Crawl! And swim!
Oh how I love my sweet life,
Please don’t hunt me.
—A Green Sea Turtle
StephanieLisaTara 4 months ago
What does being an atheist have to do with this one way or the other??? Religion is of no consequence, rather it is a hindrance. It gets in the way of reasoning. This man is incredible. Leave it there.
meech643 4 months ago
Tom Regan on the sidebar on the ''late late show'' an irish talk show: In that video he has gray long hair & beard in 2001, here his hair is coloured. X years later & he is saying the exact same argument, saddens me that his straight up logic & other AR activists haven't been heard strongly & that it has been another 10 years later
TheTvrulesthenation 5 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation This was filmed in 1989. so its x years earlier than your date. Also I don't know what planet you are on but there has been unbelievable changes in Britain since this time.
1. Hunting with dogs has been banned (some thing I thought I would never see in my lifetime)
2. The arrest and imprisonment of Mary Chipperfield, the owner of the long established Chipperfield circus, for cruelty to animals. This has led to the complete ban on Animal Circuses on council land in the uk.
conn6m 5 months ago
conn6m
And upon researching, i feel the need to point you towards Gary Francione a vegan law & ethics professor criticism of welfarism. His articles are amazing, one thread of thought he uses is how welfare movements only further convince the public it is alright in some forms to use animals if even the AR groups are happy at successfully banning a single issue (eg dogs in hunting)
TheTvrulesthenation 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 1. Yes that is true. I myself have done the same thing by trying to persuade people to eat free range meat instead of factory farm products. Do you think I should be arguing that every one should be Vegan? I don't think I would be very successfull. What do you think? It's alright putting out arguments of pure ethics but in practise you have go for what you can achieve. Also you may have to lower your aims in order to help and join other groups,
conn6m 1 month ago
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Francione addresses this, i would've 100% agreed with you months back & said to try public persuasion from a-b-c-d. But as Francione points out this doesn't make something intrinsically wrong any better (eg promoting ''humane'' slavery as was done 200 years ago), AND it does enforce the idea that animals are alright to use etc as long as its done under certain conditions, basically welfare is there to make people feel good about something they are inclined to feel is wrong
TheTvrulesthenation 1 month ago
conn6m
eg you hear all the time of ''humane slaughter'' a complete oxymoron to make the public feel better about butchering an animal for food.
Of course most people aren't going to jump from X lifestyle to a vegan lifestyle, encourage them to make the change in their own time BUT never promote anything other than veganism as the moral baseline. One needs to only look at the egg-dairy industry to see the flaw in ethical vegetarianism ie ''for the animals''
TheTvrulesthenation 1 month ago
conn6m
As francione says, we are at a point in history where there has been more welfare laws for animals then ever before & yet there is no correlation that this has moved people towards veganism, instead more animals are being slaughtered each year. A new mode of thought is needed, not single issue campaigns that deems banning dogs from hunting a success & reinforces the perception that huntil is neutral, but hunting with dogs is unethical.
Read the articles for in-depth explanation
TheTvrulesthenation 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation1. Yes that is true, however I disagree with you when you say never promote anything other than a Vegan lifesyle. It depends on the situation and who I'm adresssing. I don' say eating free range meat is good, but better for us as Humans and for the Animals themselves. My experience has shown me that people act mainly in there own interests. Therefore I appeal to this aspect if i can whether it be guilt over cruelty, or health concerns they may have. MTF(more to follow)
conn6m 1 month ago
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You misread me, as i said veganism should be the moral baseline most people care about animals & get stressed when they see slaughter videos etc they don't want to be part of all this murder for food & such. Of course very few will go vegan straight out, so we should encourage people to eat less meat etc but show them how veganism is the only consistent ethical model. But we shouldn't be so pessimistic as to say ''oh well not many will go vegan so lets promote welfarism''
TheTvrulesthenation 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 'Veganism should be the moral baseline...' How do you justify that statement?. As far as I know the moral baseline is Dr Tom Regans philosophy. This philosophy is not all encompassing and Regan only says we should give the Animals not covered the benefit of the doubt. So how can you justify this emotive word 'Murder' in this case?. Also, does this mean that as a Vegan I can now go out and indulge my passion for hunting. I promise I won't eat what I kill.
conn6m 1 month ago
conn6m
As i keep saying please refer to Gary Franciones online articles at Abolitionist approach.com, you'll get a full read (rather than 250 characters) & it much better explained + no tennis match debates.
I don't really understand however how you thought my last message correlated to hunting as morally acceptable?
TheTvrulesthenation 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 1. I don't like the statement 'Moral Baseline' when refering to veganism. The Abolitionist's morality is based on any creature that 'be sentient' and have 'cognitive awareness'. Veganism is the action to be taken to realise this morality. That makes sense.
You can't make the act of Veganism a moral philosopy it is a response, not a thought process.
You fall down a well. You have a right to live so my response is to throw a rope.and haul you out. The rope is not moral. MTF
conn6m 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 2.Their philosophy is based (as far as I can tell) on Peter Singers Animal Liberation. This book had no effect on me at all. True Animal Rights Philosophy started for me with Regans 'The case for Animal Rights,' everyone in the world should read this book. It's a much stronger position because it is put across form a Human position. Regan states that any qualities in Humans that give rise to rights must logically be extended to Animals if they posses the same qualities MTF
conn6m 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 3. I agree with their moral attacks on welfarists. I don't think they are attacking single welfare acts but more the philosophy behind it. Everyone should be pleased with the end to hunting Circus etc. But groups like the RSPCA have definitly held back Animal rights in the past (although it is now been infiltrated by more aggressive people)
The welfare groups I know of all accept animals as self aware. MTF
conn6m 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 4. Also the British goverment has accepted farm Animals are conscious so I don't think their statement that the welfarist don't accept self awareness is true in England.
I think the thing I really don't like about them is when they say things like 'going Vegan' can take you to 'complete non violence' - Complete Rubbish.
conn6m 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 2. For instance; the alarming rise in antibiotic resistant bacteria can be stongly associated with intensly reared Animals. These Animals are routinely pumped full of Antibiotics. According to the World Health Authority, eggs, milk and meat produced from these Animals can be the source of superbugs.
This statement is true and can be checked. Many people (I have found) will act in their own interests and switch to free range produce. MTF
conn6m 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 3. When I was at University I was engaged in a debate on Animal rights with a group from the socialist workers party (they lost). In that situation I argued pure Animal rights because it was appropriate to do so,
What I do not like above anything else is suffering, whether in Humans or Animals. If Suffering can be alleviated or reduced in any way possible, by any argument, then I will use it. MTF
conn6m 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 4. The problem I see with purists is that they isolate themselves from people, They have nothing to do with people who eat meat and don't empathize with them, There are a lot of examples of this on you tube. You get statements like 'The Human race should be destroyed with Atomic Bombs' or 'dosn't deserved to survive'. Well; I don't want to be part of those thought patterns.
conn6m 1 month ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 2. although Horses are still allowed by some councils.
3. The introduction of The british Animal rights bill which has made wide changes across the board. The treatment of Amimals on farms a major part of that bill. Have you noticed how many supermarkets are selling free range products from hens to pigs. The RSPCA now has real power to prosecute thoes who abuse Animals and they are doing just that.
The closing of Hill Grove cat farm in Oxfordshire (i was on that one)
conn6m 5 months ago
3. You should not get downhearted or lethargic because of abuse to Animals. There is still a lot to be done but there is some light. The sad thing is that Tom Reagans influence is strongest not in his native country but here in Britain. His book adorns the shelfs of Philosophy departments and libraries all over the uk, (it is seen as the Gospel) but he never gets a mention in his own country. (in the media anyway)
conn6m 5 months ago
conn6m
Your facts are interesting & i will say i was unaware (i'm not from Britain nor born when this video took place). I was merely expressing that it is saddening how the mainstream attitude to animal exploitation in some forms is positive (eg as you say banned dogs hunting which many support) but then in the meat-industry such as british factory farming it is largely ignored.
I like Regan, he's so clear & down to earth with how he explains his belief.
TheTvrulesthenation 5 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation Actually, one of my facts was wrong. Mary Chipperfield was fined £7500 but did not go to prison. (she would have under the 2006 welfare act.)
The 2006 Animal welfare act states sec1 sub1
'In this Act,... ''animal'' means a Vertebrate other than man.
Section 2 states
An ''animal'' is protected if (a)it is of a kind which is commonly domesticated in the British Isles.
That means farm Animals too doesn't it !!
conn6m 5 months ago
@TheTvrulesthenation 2. Send me your Email address and I'll post you/ or anyone out there who's interested, a copy of the 2006 Animal Welfare Bill and you can see the changes for yourself. Although its a bit out of date because a revised version with extensions will soon be coming into effect.
conn6m 5 months ago
conn6m
I appreciate the the time you take to reply and all but i personally do not feel comfortable handing personal info across the net to strangers, you've given me enough of a diving board to research further so thank you. Best of luck
TheTvrulesthenation 5 months ago
"The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man"
-Charles Darwin
ZoldierrZzz 6 months ago
what a prick that guy is for interrupting him halfway through, might aswell have said "yea yea dr regan can you please hurry up so we can move on?"
dANNNimal 8 months ago
i say i want to be a vegitarian because i agree wholeheartedly with Dr Tom Regan and everyone i know starts saying im daft, because animals are exploited across the board. why am i made to feel like a fool for caring?
dANNNimal 8 months ago
Why doesn't main stream religion embrace compassion for God's creatures??
Jesus was a radical and went against the world's ways. God created His creatures to rightfully live naturally in their natural environment. It is rational, logical, ethically and morally 'correct' and 'right'. Our understanding and support of this affects and reflects our relationship with God. We will be held accountable someday for every creature as Hebrews 4:13 states.
Jan, God's Creatures Ministry
Godscre1 9 months ago
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Godscre1 9 months ago
That was awsome Dr Regan. Thank you for all the living creatures.
mmaccracken 10 months ago
you are a hero!
normalguyable 1 year ago
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ultracobrax 1 year ago
BEST SPEECH ON MY LIFE. BLESSED THOSE WHO OPEN THEIR EYES AND HEARTS.
ultracobrax 1 year ago
You spelled institution wrong... :)
WintertideSleep 1 year ago
What a pity he wont live to see the emanzipation of animals.
100 years after he died people will look back on our society as we look back on slave keepers and nazis.
all spezies will have a equal right to live unharmed and free.
There will be Tom Regan and Peter Singer Memorials...
Its just a long and hard stuggle till then.. but we ll make it if we keep fighting!
NEUHEITEN100 1 year ago 2
Clearly you look healthy for not eating meat...
If you care so much about animals I only have one question, What are your thoughts on abortion?
Walpernator 1 year ago
@Walpernator
I've thought seriously on the abortion issue and have argued from both sides in my life. I am a vegan but I do support a woman's right to choose. I've come to the conclusion that a growing embryo is not analogous to a fully conscious being that suffers and has complex awareness. In other words, a cow has rights that a fetus does not. This is NOT an anti-human position, (in fact women's reproductive rights are pro-human) rather I give rights to beings with awareness and sentience
HumidNightblueFruit 1 year ago
@HumidNightblueFruit
CONT Abortion is an issue two sides will never agree on. And I am by no means representative of the animal rights movement in my acceptance of it. However, Tom Regan's own animal rights theory emphasizes consciousness and awareness, which a fetus does not have until it is born. So far my rights theory is consistent with allowing abortion.
You might be trying to get me to suggest I support animal life and not human life, but "life" is generally more complex.than a fetus.
HumidNightblueFruit 1 year ago
@HumidNightblueFruit I applaud your well thought out explanation, but I do have another question...have you ever heard of a silent scream? in abortion terms? It is a very graphic thing that you should watch. I did not always used to be against abortion until I went to the Body's exhibit, something that has gone around the world show how the body exactly works and what it looks like, but what changed me is the fetus part, it is amazing in just two weeks what a baby looks like! Check it out!
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hyperion1159 1 year ago
@ Duraldehunter: Fuck off? Is this really the only argument you can come up with? "So is your case on really thin ice. When you attack people personally rather than academic arguments, it is usually obvious signs of weakness. Are you weak? "I think so. Reading your comments between the lines, or lack thereof :-)
oz1dwf 1 year ago
Animal Rights asks a simple question: Granted that harming human beings is wrong, and that animals have intellegence and an emotional capacity strong enough to be "harmed" in the true sense of the word, why justification is there to factory farm animals, hunt or harm them in other ways?
I've never come across a coherent, acceptable argument that suggests it's morally consistent to treat humans well but to factory farm pigs.
HumidNightblueFruit 1 year ago
Good video, first is important to stop to eat all kind of animals. Just with this decision is avoiding killing hundreds of creature in one human life.
A meat eater can't complain about pollution or global warming, because raising animal for food is one of the major sources of deforestation for give land to factory farms.
cochinealake 1 year ago 10
@cochinealake animals are ment to be eaten
duraldehunter 1 year ago
Statistics say that people in the UK are on average 12 yards from a rat. Maybe we should think of rats welfare, and stop the systematic extermination of these adorable and intellegente animals whose adaptability is close to unique among mammals. It's not the rats fault, we humans see ourselves threatened by them. Next time you see a rat hunter, make a demonstration against his work. Rats've also right to live. Save the rats from the bad people.
oz1dwf 1 year ago
@oz1dwf fuck off
duraldehunter 1 year ago
Statistics say that people in the UK are on average 12 yards from a rat. Maybe we should think of rats welfare, and stop the systematic extermination of these adorable and intellegente animals whose adaptability is close to unique among mammals. It's not the rats fault, we humans see ourselves threatened by them. Next time you see a rat hunter, make a demonstration against his work. Rats've also right to live. Save the rats from the bad people.
oz1dwf 1 year ago
Animal rights are for fags
Jonatahn14 1 year ago
@Jonatahn14 Anthropocentrism is for fags, my 'friend'.
vgman94 1 year ago
I agree with the statement that "People who are for animal rights are noble, intellectual and made in the image of God! These people are also brave, and stand strong in their beliefs. They don't waver just because someone else doesn't agree. You are amazing, According to the bible we are the keepers of the Earth. Therefore we need to take care of her. We need to love and take care of the animals also and quit treating them as a means and start treating them as an ends!
sarahocean76 1 year ago
MORON
wespayne67 1 year ago
"This moral philosophy, utilitarianism, has a long and venerable history, influential men and women, past and present, are among its adherents and yet it is a bankrupt moral philosophy if ever there was one."
HomoVeganus 1 year ago
If i ate your dog you wouldn't have to kick my ass, I'd do it for you.
skjoyner 1 year ago
@skjoyner :) I don't mean to be so defensive, but I hate the idea of animals being hurt. I can't wait till In vitro meat is readily available to the public. :D
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@IAmTheCthulhu screw you coward little bitch. I told a joke and you reply to a video of my 2 y.o. niece calling her a bitch and hope she dies. I'd beat your little chicken shit ass to a pulp with a baseball bat if I knew where you lived. I'd even fly to where your at to do it. young little stupid punk
skjoyner 1 year ago
@skjoyner quit stalking me. you act like humans have a soul or something. are you trying to get me to reveal to you where I live? are you unstable or something? do you realize that is a form of domestic terrorism. I won't report you now, but I will if you keep coming to me with pseudo-threats and checking my channel to find where I comment. gee, 53 and making threats. how mature.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@IAmTheCthulhu report me bitch. call my 2 y.o. niece a bitch and wish she was dead. I'd blow your head off if I knew where you lived. Now go report me you 19 y.o little punk HO. I gave you my correct address, come over anytime.
skjoyner 1 year ago
@skjoyner I never fucking said shit. You're just delusional. Just go bother someone else, because you're not finding out where I live because you're apparently crazy enough to hurt my loved ones as well. I'm trying to be nice. Walk away before this escalates into something ridiculous.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@skjoyner If anyone had said something, its not like your niece would have known what it meant or who said it. Don't worry about revenge, just go enjoy what little time you apparently have of your life (you're 53, you only have on average 20 more years to teach her not to be a ho) and enjoy your freedom, family and everything else. You act like some nutty whack job veteran from vietnam or korea. go play with your niece instead of harassing me. spend your time (the only life you have) wisely.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@IAmTheCthulhu Many talk plenty shit online but scared shitless to do it in public. You teach your prostitute mom who bore you not to sell sex just so her Negro pimp can have plenty of money. And teach "your own daughter" if or when you have not to be a little slut and whore when she grows up, like I know she will be. I'm sure any sisters you have are sluts too.
skjoyner 1 year ago
As much as you want to anthropomorphize them, animals will never have equal footing with humans. The "descrimination" is not arbitrary.
jehophus 1 year ago
@jehophus anthropomorphizing animals? animals do have emotions, even scientists agree on that. its an evolutionary trait.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@IAmTheCthulhu Yes, animals are our friends, but they won't pick you up at the airport.
jehophus 1 year ago
@jehophus I'm sure if they were physically adapted to do so and cognitively ready they would.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@IAmTheCthulhu Then they would be human.
jehophus 1 year ago
@jehophus Not really. Their genetics would still be different. We've given rat embryos human thumbs. Does it make them human? no. it just means they have human qualities. if you mean their thinking ability would make them human because they'd be capable and aware of what being humane is then I wouldn't call it humane since human beings are only humane to their own species in most instances, when being humane applies to all forms of life. animals can think, though, so maybe some day be like us.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@jehophus they'll be like us ** I doubt in our lifetimes though
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
Most comments I see here make me feel sad for the human race. To understand and live the animal rights principle allows one to enjoy and love animals, both human and not and to love the earth and her creator without violence or placing oneself above others. It is a far more peaceful and happier existence than most humans experience. I hope at least some people were touched by Mr. Regan's words and will read more about this way of living and thinking. Thanks
Dorene472 1 year ago
this dude is boring..he talks like a robot...im sure his students hav't to pinch themselves to stay awake....and his argument is weak by the way...
blazeman139 1 year ago
I will eat vegetables and meat as long as they taste good..
It's their right to be eaten.. I had a Turkey was begging me to eat it .. and I did :)
grandizer92 1 year ago
London broil is my favorite type of animal.
liberalwankers 1 year ago
His words are truth for a civilized, compassionate society
wolfiesmom1 1 year ago 2
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PhantomDog666 1 year ago
when animals and trees start paying taxes and serving on jury duty, I'll give them equal rights.
until then....who wants to come to my next bbq? burgers and dogs and ribs!!!!
thordoggie 1 year ago
@thordoggie there are animal welfare laws though, douche.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
Dontrickrollme,I agree. And don't you just love it when people justify killing animals with Bible passages.I believe in God,but do you honestly trust human beings to keep the exact word of the Bible without manipulation for all these years?Animals deserve the same humane treatment any other human being would.They suffer just like you and I, and when it's because of humans,it is wrong any way you want to look at it. I often wonder why some haven't evolved spiritually enough to realize this fact.
poppyplanet1 1 year ago
At least not everyone is ignorant im glad you can see it. What I found hilarious is his comment about "rebelling against god" because im a vegetarian and choose not to eat meat.
dontrickrollme 1 year ago 2
Judges 15:4 So Samson went and caught 300 foxes and took torches. And he turned them tail to tail and put a torch between each pair of tails. 5 And when he had set fire to the torches, he let the foxes go into the standing grain of the Philistines and set fire to the stacked grain and the standing grain, ...
Matthew 8:32 And he said to them, Go. So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters.
PeterCornstalk 1 year ago
He is rebelling against God. God blessed us with animals to eat and we may use animals for our purpose with thanksgiving. We are not to be cruel for cruelty sake, but some things may seem cruel to the carnal man using man's reasoning, but animals do not have any rights and God never intened them to have rights. The principles of taking care of your own animal is a principle for man to follow, God doesn't care about animals, he cares about us and sent his son to die for man, not animals.
PeterCornstalk 1 year ago
Sorry but I think the whole concept goes against the reality of nature. And in reality humans will either learn to enhabit other planets or we will drive ourselves to, or near, extinction as a result of our success in exploiting the world around us to suit our personal comfort. To presume it is our responsibility to extend the same rights to other species that we extend to our own species which has enabled us to practically take over the plalnet is obsurd!
jmdnarri 1 year ago
@jmdnarri This man is right all animals should be treated with respect just like any human being. They are not ours to capture and kill and are still like us in a lot of ways. People could get by without eating meat because there is plenty of things that contain protein and are a lot healthier for you.
dontrickrollme 1 year ago
I do treat animals with respect and acknowledge that humans are animals as well. I also see no reason to extend rights to humans that other species do not extend to us. Hence if I were in a lion's territiory and he killed and ate me, or I came between a mother bear and her cubs, I would consider it just the way nature is and would not consider it evil. A wolf or cyote or cougar has a right to eat a deer, rabbit, or antelope, but I do not have the right to eat a cow??
jmdnarri 1 year ago
@dontrickrollme Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
Luke 22:8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction,
PeterCornstalk 1 year ago
@PeterCornstalk There are a lot of different versions of the bible im pretty sure somebody just made that up and I believe god would intend all animals to live despite what any bible says. Animals suffer a lot of pain when we slaughter them and I know its wrong.
dontrickrollme 1 year ago 2
there are 4 kinds of animals...pets, pests, beasts of burden, and food.
understand, the vast majority of animals used for food are herbivorous. If we don't kill them for food, we must share a vegetarian diet with them. then at some point we must decide to slaughter them anyway, and not use them for food, or let them die of starvation...and THAT is a very long and very painful process!
So, you think you are kind, but you have no idea what pain you will bring to animals.
thordoggie 1 year ago
Lot's of humans are starving too but when it's an animal you look at it from a different point of view. We wouldn't kill an actual person if they were starving and it shouldn't be any different with animals. People should just let them roam free as nature intended because they were here long before we were. Eating any form of meat is terrible for you. It's bad for your heart, causes constipation, contains parasites, and really serves no purpose other then the greedy profiting from slaughter.
dontrickrollme 1 year ago
whatever you say
thordoggie 1 year ago
if the only diet for man and animals is plants...then we both compete for the same source of food. if animals aren't killed, they over populate.
THEN we reach a point when man has to decide if animals should have food, or if man should have food.
Now, may i ask....do you think so little of yourself you'd die to let an animal live? If so, why don't you kill yourself today and save an animal?
nope you won't do that! and that make you a fraud and hypocrit
thordoggie 1 year ago
Lol that doesn't make sense. We're the ones bringing these animals into existence for our own greedy consumption. Ever heard of a (factory)farm? There would be less animals to 'compete' with if we didn't expend so much time bringing them into existence and then slaughtering them.
quolatrini 1 year ago
I was in Glendale when I spotted a guy yanking on the leash and the dog would yelp and drop to the ground and shake, I was traumatized by that because I love cats and dogs and birds and all, I wanted to get out and do something for that gentle little cocker spaniel but even in this country, animals have no rights. I wish a monster like that could be sued "by the dog" I would be the first one to become an animal rights lawyer. I trust that God does and will give it back to sobs like that.
jgray110 2 years ago
Tom Regan is an enlightened soul.
If there is one thing that we should make sure of its that we progress toward bringing no creature forth for a pitifully short and unnatural existence.
Man has had his share of the earth, its time now to give back some of what we have taken by ending animal exploitation and experiments and creating, protecting, and re-establishing natural habitats.
This will not only bring great benefits to all mankind but to animal kind also .
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EvolutionaryMind 2 years ago
All animals should be treated with respect - farm animals and wild animals alike.
muninoghugin 2 years ago 2
Would we still eat them?
CoffeyClan 1 year ago
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Dear Animal Rights Hypocrites, please die a slow and painful death, and may your children die in a car fire cause by a vegan who is dizzy behind the wheel from lack of protein. You are the scum of society comparable to terrorists. You are the people who are slowly ruining the USA. You will never stop the hunt for the forests would be ruined you ignorant cocksuckers. To all the PETA people, George W Bush, Dickhead Cheyney, and Barrack Obamination, may you all rot in hell. God save America.
jmassey1981 2 years ago
can anyone please tell me how am i gonna get his full speech and put it on my flash drive so that i can present it on presentation on animal rights for my english class please..i really need it
Kasumichick2772 2 years ago
people who are for animal rights are noble, intellectual and made in the image of god .I SALUTE THEM !
MORE POWER TO THE ANIMAL RIGHTS MOVEMENT
denizen09 2 years ago 27
Why don't we take care of all the humans on the planet before we spend time and resources on animal rightrs,
bogdanmil69 2 years ago
because people destroy the earth, and animals do not. To me its not animal rights. Rights would mean they have their own bathrooms, and they can vote. Its more of animal wellfare. Also, you may not realize it but corporate greed such as the seed steralization going down at monsanto is what keeps produce from being a limitless supply. Also, human intervention towards the natural ways between species of animals is unnatural.
tohidefromourways 2 years ago
So are you suggesting that we kill humans so the planet is better for animals? If a bear injures a dear should we nurse it back to health but let starving children die?Give your head a shake.
bogdanmil69 2 years ago
@bogdanmil69 Tom Regan specifically addresses this at 6:00
NowWeAreMagic 2 years ago
@denizen09 I believe in animal rights. I believe all animals have the right to be served with fries and gravy.
skjoyner 1 year ago 2
@skjoyner you try to eat my dog, i'll whoop your ass.
IAmTheCthulhu 1 year ago
@denizen09 no they are retarded and should have to go to special ed and humans are more important than animals animal importance is 0 percent and humans ar 100 percent
duraldehunter 1 year ago
@denizen09 lol isnt tom regan an atheist. Peter Singer is too.
Morlock27 1 year ago
@denizen09 "Made in the image of god" Do not involve your fairy tales of god or whatever with animal rights activism. I find it extremely offensive.
velinguist 1 year ago
What would animals do with Animal rights?
slicingwater 2 years ago
Its not rights like voting. Its more like freedom from pain, and low regard.
tohidefromourways 2 years ago
Should we protect animals from all predators and pain? They are animals we are humans,
bogdanmil69 2 years ago
Does anyone else see the transcendent irony in an animal rights provocateur being such a big ham?
2468huyu 2 years ago
The evolution of man into a moral being starts here.
Henrymood8 2 years ago 3
Yep in the recognition that animals do not have rights...
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
THey get mad at obama for kiiling a fly but sara palin kills all kind of animals and they never spoke on it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hazelross1 2 years ago
flies are not sentient creatures,they are not deserving of moral status
tomheppy 2 years ago
That's because PETA is a joke. They objectify women, use cheap marketing tactics and do ridiculous PR stunts to get publicity. Yet they are supposed to stand for animal rigths, a serious, ethical issue. PETA brings nothing but ridicule to the animal rights movement. They also promote the "Happy meat and dairy" scam. These big organizations can never be trusted, they always have some hidden agenda. As a vegan and animal rights advocate I wish PETA would dissapear and make way for serious people.
NorthernLight12 2 years ago
What is PETA's "hidden agenda", northernlight?
KFC kills 1 billion chickens every year; 1 million chickens are eaten every hour in the U.S. And now "abolitionists" want to blame PETA for this? Every year, 850 million chickens go to the scalding tank alive, and you criticize PETA for daring to stop this hideousness?
Such scandalous spin is expected from the factory-farming industry's hired gun, David Martosko, of the CCF, not from fellow activists.
So what's your agenda?
CDLver 2 years ago
Where in my post do I say anything about PETA being responsible for the death of 1 billion chickens? Read my post again and adress the points I made instead of making strawmen. Such an important issue as animal rights require a level of seriousness and competence wich PETA lacks. We need people like Tom Reagan to teach and present solid arguments, not half naked women running around with face paint f.ex. Such actions will not inform people, however, it will surely alienate them from the message.
NorthernLight12 2 years ago
In their 28 years, PETA's serious work has exposed the most vulgar forms of cruelty inflicted upon animals that the sadistic human mind has ever devised; surely you have seen PETA's undercover investigations into Butterball, Pilgrims's Pride, and Tyson.
There is no one single approach to exposing animal exploitation. That you believe PETA's racy campaigns and street theatrics lack decorum is inconsequential. Animals are suffering immensely, and that warrants action.
CDLver 2 years ago
What are rights? Who gives you rights? What can you do with rights? Why does anyone deserve rights? Can you earn rights or are you born with them? Who decides who gets what rights? Which rights are more important?
Please, answer me these questions.
thegillotine09 2 years ago
use your imagination
vikingking72787 2 years ago
I cannot dismiss "animal rights" out of hand--for the moment let us put that aside--I am baffled as to how you reach a non-theistic rights model for non-human animals and a pro-choice model for abortion. To talk about psychology rather than ethics/morals now--human beings cannot stop killing their own kind in mass numbers--the power to destroy the world still rests in the hands of a few mortal men--how do we ever get to animal rights? Some of those men in the past were willing to destroy it.
RPenta 2 years ago
Very powerful. Why are there so few in the 'civilised world' with this belief?
nicktimo11 2 years ago 14
dude is ridiculously eloquent
tomheppy 2 years ago 4
Please, somebody could traduce this interview to spanish???????????? pleaseeeeee
rociosoyyo 2 years ago
Los seres humanos comen, usan para ciencia, cazan, entrapan y explotan de varias maneras los animales, y esos animales tienen el derecho a una vida suya, la cual tiene importancia para ellos aparte de su utilidad para nosotros. No solamente estan en el mundo sino que tambien estan conscientes de ese mundo y de todo lo que les pasa. Lo que les pasa les importa. Cada uno tiene una vida que puede ser bueno o malo. Tanto como nosotros, tienen una presencia psicologica en este mundo.
nihonchic 2 years ago 2
Tanto como nosotros, son "alguien" y no "algo." De esta manera fundamental, los animales no humanos que se encuentran en ranchos y en laboratorios, por ejemplo, son iguales a los seres humanos. Asi es que las eticas que guian nuestro trato con ellos y entre si debe tener muchos de los mismos principios morales fundamentales. A su nivel mas profundo, una etica humana culta esta basada en el valor de la independecia del individuo.
nihonchic 2 years ago 2
El hecho de tratar a seres humanos de una manera que no respeta su valor independiente, el hecho de reducirlos al estatus de herramientas o modelos o productos, por ejemplo, significa una violacion de eso, el derecho humano mas basico, el derecho de ser respetado. La filosofia de los defensores de los derechos de los animales demanda nada mas que el logico sea respetado para cualquier argumento que explica de un modo plausible el valor independiente de los seres humanos implica que los animales-
nihonchic 2 years ago 2
-tienen el mismo valor y que lo tienen de igual manera. Como resultado de la representacion selectiva de los medios de comunicacion en el pasado, (esta reunion es una excepcion), el publico en general ha tenido la tendencia de considerar a los activistas pro-animales bajo terminos muy negativos. Anti-intelectual, anti-ciencia, anti-racional, anti-humano, que nos identificamos en contra de la justicia y para la violencia. La verdad es todo lo contrario.
nihonchic 2 years ago 2
Mil gracias!!! Te agradezco mucho lo que traduciste de verdad...muchisimas gracias por tu ayuda!!!! ;)
rociosoyyo 2 years ago
Never heard Tom Regan Speak Before, I'm quite surprised, he's very good, not preachy or in your face but jsut saying it plain and simple
very good, except I think that animals only need one right, the right to not be treated as a property....
ScreamingChickenP 2 years ago
If I find a stray dog and shoot it with a BB gun for kicks and giggles, am I treated it with property? If we're going to treat all sentient beings, human and nonhuman with respect, then to not treat them as commodities for sale and consumption is not the only obligation.
atentso 2 years ago
As property, not with property. Mea culpa.
atentso 2 years ago
I agree that not treating others as property is not the only obligation for equality.
However, legally speaking it is the only way to ensure that animals are treated equally...
Also, the abolition of the property status of animals would mean that thier would be no more animals in domestication such as dogs. So you couldn't shoot the dog w/ the BB gun.
THier would still be animals in the wild, but they wouldn't be the property of anyone else...
ScreamingChickenP 2 years ago
Well no, legally speaking it should also be illegal to go out and hunt animals, which doesn't require any buying or selling of animals. If I were to shoot squirrels (rather than dogs) with a BB gun, then that doesn't require me to treat them as property. Similarly, if I were to drive those squirrels out of their home to cut down a forest to build a shopping mall, that, too, has nothing to do with whether or not they are property. So animals certainly have a right to more than not being property.
atentso 2 years ago
My thoughts? Make it illegal to harm an animal for any reason other than self-defense. Harm includes inflictions (physical injury, psychological distress, disease) and deprivations (keeping them confined, taking them out of their habitat, depriving them of their young).
atentso 2 years ago
Oh, and killing, of course.
atentso 2 years ago
well we kll them and eat animals dude. its called the DOuble Chhese burger at mcdonalds with bacon at wendys. thats another reason to kill cows.
blizzard7006 2 years ago
Why is someone so obviously uninterested in animal rights even watching this?
atentso 2 years ago 2
it's not that im uninterested, it's just that if your not a vegetarian i don't see how anyone can justify animal rights.
blizzard7006 2 years ago
Well, I'm vegan. So that doesn't apply to me.
atentso 2 years ago
and another thing i kind of believe in some animal rights... 0-0.. Like some animals should have rights based on a matter of intelligence. not all animals should especially the tasty ones.
blizzard7006 2 years ago
Really? How many animals are killed every year to feed you? Millions. Ploughing the fields, killing off the animals that compete for the crops. Organic farms are no different.
Hunters kill fewer animals than you do. And they preserve wilderness.
No principles.
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
And therefore? What, animals get killed for plant based crops, and so somehow we are justified in eating meet, thereby killing more animals, including the ones that we kill to make massive crops to grow all the grain that we feed to livestock? Ingenious argument.
atentso 2 years ago
Animals that are killed to protect crops? Deer, mice, rats, racoons, billions of insects, birds, and so on.
Hunters kill animals that live on non-agricultural, wild land. And we don't bother the lower animals at all, unlike agriculture which ploughs millions of small animals under every year.
I don't eat non-organic meat. If I eat it, I killed it. Fish, deer, buffalo, various birds, rabbits, and so on
The animals I kill live in the forest I own (except the buffalo which I get in Montanna)
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
Even if Veganism, as you say, isn't a practical way to minimize animal death, I don't understand why it follows that they have no rights. Heck, what you're writing here almost seems to imply that you believe animals' interests are morally relevant and that we should minimize animal suffering and death, and that the only way to do so is to kill them in moderation. Or am I mistaken?
atentso 2 years ago
I minimize animal suffering by making sure that when I take an animal I do so with the most lethal option available to me, with the minimum chance of a wounding.
Hunting squirrels, I go for head shots so they die instantly. Bird hunting I use dogs to make sure they are recovered quickly and if still living, quickly dispatched. With deer, I go for reliably lethal shots.
But they have no RIGHT to such treatment. It is my essential compassion that dictates that I minimize suffering.
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
I see. Do humans have rights, or do just follow the same principle of compassion with regard to them?
atentso 2 years ago
Good question. Do humans have rights?
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
If humansd have the right to our moral consideration, then surely at least some animals must also have that right. I cannot conceive of how moral rights could be conferred simply on the basis of biological species.
Also, where do you get your fruits and vegetables? If you're so averse to agricultural practices that have the side-effect of killing animals, then I'm interested to hear your answer.
atentso 2 years ago
That wasn't the question. Do humans have rights.
I have no aversion to eating agriculturally produced foods. I just like to point out the hypocrisy of vegans lecturing me about hunting, & forcing them to face the fact that they kill more animals than I do.
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
*I* originally asked *you* that very question, and you just repeated it. What do YOU think? Do humans have rights?
atentso 2 years ago
Also, if they really cared about endangered species, they would encorage them to be farmed for their meat and fur. How many farmed animals are rare?
Not to mention that by making farmed clouded leopard skins available, you would collapse the value of the poached skins. Reducing the incentive for killing them in the wild.
Establish a breeding population which can be returned to the wild, and destroy the illicit market in their skins in one fell swoop.
Frarress wictoly.
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
And hrm... I wonder why we need hunters to keep Deer populations under control...
OHHH, right, because we killed all the wolves that preyed on the deer! Duh, silly me!
But hrm... but why did we kill all the wolves if they were so important to keeping the deer population under control?
OHHH, now I remember! Because they hunted the deer, and WE wanted to hunt the deer for sport and fun!
atentso 2 years ago
Deer? Because we killed off the natural predators. I am all for re-introducing the wolves and mountain lions (there is one on my land adjoining the Savannah River plant complex right now).
We didn't kill off the wolves because they killed deer, historically. We killed them off because they killed people....
And the first schoolkid that dies in the jaws of a wolfpack and every limp dick out there will be screaming for the death of the wolves again....
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
We killed them because they killed people? I was under the impression that wolves tended to avoid people. Can you provide some evidence for your argument? What I said comes from the essay "Thinking Like a Mountain" by Aldo Leopold. Wolves killed deer. Hunters wanted to hunt the deer. Hunters killed the wolves.
atentso 2 years ago
Our history of early settlement and colonization is rife with accounts of humans being killed by various predatory animals. It is also quite possible that we killed them to reduce competition, but I have not read about that.
Wolves are not stupid however, and as our weaponry improved they learned to avoid us. Today you can go to Yellowstone and witness them taking down prey (I have personally seen them take elk twice while cross country skiing in Leopold Canyon).
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
Brilliant speech!!
Animalsangel888 2 years ago 2
imagine one day, police chasing somebody for having "10 pounds of meat"
Omid45 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
animals already have enough rights...
1)they shit when and were they want to.
2)they live for free.
3)they hump what they want to.
4)they steal what they want to.
5)some animals get to sleep inside.
thats all i would ever wont. Copy/paste if you agree.
MonkeyBizProductions 2 years ago
i think your a dumbass!!! piece of shit!!!
2thetop23 2 years ago 2
lol i think your funny!!! go fuck a dog in the ass
MonkeyBizProductions 2 years ago
DOES YOUR MOM COUNT?
2thetop23 2 years ago
only for you :)
MonkeyBizProductions 2 years ago
I would say so myself! but for some reason she squeels like a pig... can you explain this???
2thetop23 2 years ago
Most people don't want to accept the idea of animal rights, because its easier not to care. It must be made as easy as possible for the masses.
goldenage 2 years ago
We should all be crying miserable and sad because creatures including plants, animals and people are suffering.
TaraZatara 2 years ago
A new understanding is emerging about the animals we share this planet with.
Well said Dr. Regan!
judyrusso 2 years ago