i watched the video and it is racist garbage like most of the native americans on you tube! i am glad the ones i met in person where nothing like any of these people!
@reverenddoush, wow!! Lighten up SNOWBALL. It looks like another one has forgotten to take their medication. Why is it when it comes to Indians that all these silly and ridiculous white people GO OFF THE RAILS. Yuck, you white people are tiresome and just plain exhausting!
Some one else made a good point and posted this comment a long time ago and I quote " How is this you tube video even relevant to any of your rants??" Well? Have any of you white people even watched the video?? Seriously.
@reverendloush lololol I am sure most would agree that the only crazy person here is the one who plays with faeries! You are classic Twinkie. I am not your mascot, nor is my culture yours for the taking. You'll come to realize it someday.
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listen we will never agree but i do want to say that it has been an interesting and lively conversation! i hope you and our people get whatever you want or need out of life and that all blessing find you abundantly in all ways! peace, joy, love, and light! may The Great Spirit be with you, bless you, and keep you always!
Pretending you are something you are not, may make you something you do not want to be. Live your life as a fraudulent thief if you want, but don't expect to be welcomed with open arms to steal my culture to "interpret" any way you like. If you plan on interpreting teachings anyway you like, what is the point of being taught? Go back to your parent's basement little man.....you have no rights here.
@Ajidamoon we all have rights! i am not a fraud or a theif, i will leave that to you. you pretend to be so wise, and you try and steal the rights of others! but in the end you can'! i don't want to be embraced by your culture, i have my own thanks! the point of being taught is not to agree with everything your teacher tells you, but to expand your perception of the universe! i don't live in a basement and never have so no clue what you mean there crazy!
if you and your people are so concerned with outsiders getting your traditions wrong than stop complaining and start trying to share your reality! otherwise you have no business complaining about people getting your culture wrong. and if you don't want to share with outsiders that is ok, but then you have no business screaming about people not understanding your culture! you say people misunderstand, fine then teach them or keep quiet! you either care or you don't; choose!
@reverendloush LOL. You are a joke. Keep on thinking that you have a right to take whatever you want. All you will end up is peddling misinformation....exactly what everything you are saying in your posts points to. Go play with your tarot cards and read your Twilight. Elders wouldn't teach you "ritual".....you 'learned' off a website written by White Eagle Medicine Woman or another notorious Pretendian. I'm sorry you have been the victim of fraud.
@Ajidamoon obviously you are too ignorant to understand english. i didn't learn anything from a website, i did have elders teach me. a couple were native, most were of my tradition or people. i don't peddle misinformation i leave that up to people like you! i don't play with tarot cards but i do read cards now and again. i love a good vampire fantasy novel like twilight so i will! i am not a victim and have never been, that is what you are! you are the joke!
@reverendloush Ahhh, but we have shared, and that is where people get ridiculous notions about spirit animals, that Gitchi Manitou is a god, and that we all talk to trees. You won't ever be satisfied until we have nothing left as a peoples, as it is our spirit that has brought us this far. Sorry kid, but you DON'T get anything else. Its been made clear we don't want to share anymore, but here you are with your hand out ready to take what you can and use it as you see fit. Find your own path.
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@Ajidamoon get over yourself! i wasn't asking for information, i have known my path always as i was born into it! i was simply saying that you have no grounds to bitch for things being the way you helped make them. put up or shut up! you may not talk to trees but many of us do, they are great teachers. you never gave me anything nor do i want anything from you because you have nothing to teach me. i hope you have everything as a peoples, but i hope you stop trying to deny it to everyone else!
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ps. spirit animals are very much real! we work with them all the time, and they too are great teachers! sorry you have not met them, they have so much knowledge to share! there are also angels, ancestors, elementals or fairies, and a host of other beings in the universe. they all have something wonderful to teach and to share! sorry you have not met them. all can be messengers from God! well i hope you are blessed and enjoy your path! i know i enjoy mine! blessed be! and good bye!
and you do not know me again! some of the people who shared ritual with me were native, so what! they warned me about racist natives who didn't understand their own traditions, i just never thought to encounter them on youtube. the people i use to know made fun of angry natives and said that The Great Spirit never intended for his children to hate each other or try and hoard knowledge! now i see what they were talking about!
no one stole anything and that is the point! you can't steal something that belongs to everyone!!!!!!!! no one is pretending anything! plenty of people and elders have share ritual with me! so what! and yours is not the only culture that gets mocked or romanticized, are you nuts?! stop being in your victim mentality! all cultures get mocked and romanticized! humans always romanticize all history! you are not special no one is, we are all the same! that is exactly the point you aren't getting!
You may have been persecuted against because you are gay & that is wrong....but have you ever been persecuted because of your race? Been subject to myths like you live on government assistance from cradle to grave? Been spit on at University orientation because the other students, black, white & other, think you got a free ride? Do random stranger tell you you should have to pay taxes to without ever knowing that you do?
@Ajidamoon yes i am persecuted all the time for all aspects of who i am, being white, being gay, and being christian, and a few other things too! boo hoo i am not going to lay down and die because of it! everyone is persecuted for something! hopefully one day all humans will know better!
everyone has a divine right to believe what they want to and hold whatever rituals they want to! freedom to all people, not just tribal ones! do what you want people believe what you want! if anyone tells you what to do, remind them that they are not God, or any god of any kind! then tell them to shut up and mind their own business instead of worrying about yours!
@reverendloush Get back at me when they rename the Cleveland Indians to the Cleveland Crackers, and make the mascot a fat, white guy in a trucker cap and wife-beater. Or when they sell Halloween costumes of your race for people to wear. Or when every person you meet feels a need to tell you about their Cherokee great-great-Grandmother, their spirit animal is a wolf, and that is why they have a dream catcher tattoo or hang one from their rear view mirror.
@Ajidamoon they do sell halloween costumes of all people and races crazy! i have seen hundreds of braveheart costumes amongst many other things! so you just sound like a crazy victim! many schools have crazy white mascots like, the rebel soldiers of instance. and again there is the example of ronald mcdonald!
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@reverendloush lol i remember this one school a friend went to and they had a...well...a paul bunion kind of mountain hatchet man. and an old school i went to had a cowboy as a mascot. it was so boring i would have rather had a native mascot, at least it would have stood for something and had some style lol!
@reverendloush The point......you just aren't getting it. Call your rituals and ceremonies whatever you want...but NOT Native, as they weren't given to you by Natives.....you stole them to fit your needs. And all you are really doing, is pretending, as you will never understand our ceremonies and traditions, as no one is ever going to share them with you. Ours is the ONLY culture it is ok to mock, to romanticize and to commercialize.
@Ajidamoon And now these same people, want to take your very culture & make it their own......and sadly, you don't see anything wrong with that. In fact, you try and tell me I don't know my own traditions, when you are the one who is the outsider and makes it clear from what you write, you don't have a clue as to what we actually believe. I really hope you get over this sense of entitlement you have. Amii sa apane.
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@Ajidamoon again you are the one with entitlement issues! you feel entitled to tell others what to do! and no i don't care if people take my culture and interpret it in a way that is good for them. why would i care, it doesn't change me or the historical reality of my culture. my culture and me are old enough not to care about such trivial things lol!
ps. i will say this; when we do ritual or teach; a class we say when something came from natives to honor where it came from, and we never never say that we do it, teach it, or perceive it in the same way that natives do! and no offense but i wouldn't want to perceive it the same way as you! we are all called to different paths! but everyone has a divine right to spiritual expression and freedom!
russia and the middle east have had sweat lodges for thousands of years! the idea of spirit animals and medicine shields, war paint, dream catchers, these are not unique to any one culture! they appear all over the ancient world! the celts for example had all of these things and so what! all human beings use to know all of this stuff! no one culture is special and no one owns it! it is arrogant and ignorant to think otherwise! no one is better than anyone else!
@reverendloush There are certain elements that ARE exclusive to Native ceremonies....and all these Pretendians are missing them. Know why? Perhaps its because they haven't met a real Native in their entire pirating life. Then they have the gall to turn around and call what they do Native. THAT IS THE PART THAT IS WRONG! Egesedidawe! Please thoroughly read what has been written before you respond.....you are making this far too easy....I almost feel bad.
@Ajidamoon see that is the arrogance i am talking about! there may be a few minor details that are unique to your tribe...so what! all these videos on the so called plastic medicine people, all this calling people pretendians, and pirates, all this arrogant prosecution of people who dare practice ritual because they are white that is the problem! your attitude! not a single white shaman i have ever met and i have known many claims to be anything other than what they are!
@reverendloush LOLOLOL You still aren't getting it. You are posting the same thing, over and over again. Who cares that these people are doing rituals, or sweats? No one. What we care about is that what they are doing, they are passing off AS NATIVE. They are claiming their rituals ARE NATIVE!
@reverendloush Its doesn't matter that they are white. There are black people that do it too. There are even Natives that sell PLASTIC medicine. What these people do isn't Native. Its a vague interpretation of it....the equivalent of playing let's pretend.
@Ajidamoon no its not pretend anything! there is no such thing as plastic medicine! there is just people who disagree with you and who are different than you! you are arrogant, ignorant, judgmental, and hateful! no one cares, be whatever you want as that is your divine right as well! freedom for you too!
we tell people that we have mixed blood, that some practices and teachings come from natives and some come from europe and some from over here and some from over there! as is our divine right! some of my ancestors were native, and many were not! who cares? not the point! the native traditions that were passed down in my family are mine to interpret as i see fit! i have never seen a single white shaman even in these videos that claim to be full blood native tribes peoples! not a single one!
@reverendloush It isn't about full-blood vs ancestry. Its about people doing random rituals, then calling them Native ceremonies just because they read somewhere that Natives have animal spirits, do horoscopes, and give each other ridiculous spirit names, that don't have anything to do with us. It only serves to perpetuate the ridiculous amount of stereotypes, myths and persecution we already face.
Respond to this video... yet native peoples think they have the right to prosecute people for holding ceremony, or doing a sweat lodge! native tribes peoples have become so arrogant like their former oppressors that they think they are the only people with the rights to certain plants and feathers! nature, ritual, and ceremony belong to all the children of God! that is the point! so keep your arrogance and ignorance if you want! you make it too easy to see!
@reverendloush That man who held the sweat was prosecuted.....because people died, as he didn't do it correctly. He just took what he saw in movies, charged a fee and told the fools that bought into it, it was Native. It wasn't. Take your god and stick him where the sun don't shine, as you clearly don't know the first thing about Native ceremony, traditions and teachings. You do NOT have a "divine" right to take the cultures of others just because you are lost.
@Ajidamoon i am not talking about that one man. people died obviously we all know why he was prosecuted! i am talking about all the talk of prosecuting all white shamans in all these videos. you are an idiot for saying that about God but that is your peril and stupidity to deal with and not anyone elses! you don't know me or what i do and do not know, and you don't know anything about ritual or spirituality at all of any culture including the native culture apparently!
@reverendloush You don't have any Native ancestry......what a joke. If you did, you would know how completely wrong you are and how you are NO BETTER than the people who stole our children, sterilized our women, outlawed our ceremonies.........and now you want to steal our culture too, to fill a void in your life. You are nothing more than a Plastic "Shaman". Keep posting, so everyone on youtube knows it too.
this is why you are stupid and know nothing about other cultures! animal totems also called spirit animals and smudging, sweat lodges, medicine shields, dream catchers, sacred pipes, ritual, these things have been part of all human cultures since the dawn of time and do not belong to anyone culture! they are a part of all human culture and no one owns them! it isn't about cherry picking that ignorant! it's about humans being human! no one culture is any better than another!
@reverendloush *sigh* YOU still DON'T get it. No one is claiming that those things are exclusive to Natives. LOL. But when you practise made-up rituals based on what you can read in books/off the net, written by other non-Natives, then turn around and claim what you are doing is Native....that is when you are wrong! Sheeeeesh. Dis you even actually watch the video? Or any of the hundreds of others on here?
nothing is missing from my life! i have been so very blessed! and i will keep fighting for the freedom of religion and spirituality which belongs to everyone not just natives! you do not know me or what i do or do not know or what we are and are not privy too! you think you are special and you are not! you are just like every other person on the planet who all have the same rights as you!
@reverendloush Again with the sense of entitlement.You can keep blathering on and on about your rights but truth is, you don't have a right to twist my culture into what you need it to be. There are thousands of religions you can cherry pick from to find your own spirituality. On the contrary, I do know you. I meet people like you everyday. Animal totems! Give credit where credit is due, since they haven't a thing to do with Native spirituality. Keep with your postings, they are good for a laugh
there is nothing missing in my life, i am very blessed you arrogant child! and just because you are tribal doesn't mean that you know everything! no one person knows it all and no one is perfect and everyone should have the freedom to live as they choose and that again is the point!
@reverendloush says the guy who seems to spend most of his time trying to justify why its okay to appropriate cultures he knows nothing about, for his own pleasure.....You can live as you chose.....but you CANNOT call your beliefs Native when you don't even know what it is we believe...just like those in the video. You will never be privy. Call me a child all you want...I'm not the one tossing around grade-school insults. Seems like there is lots missing in your life.
no i am way older than you probably and no it is not the wolf and no i don't have to pretend anything you shrew! i am who i am and i don't need to be anyone or anything else and it is you who know nothing about other cultures!
@reverendloush You may be older than me....don't really care. Older doesn't necessarily mean wiser, which you make quite evident. Keep on showcasing how ignorant and just down right ridiculous you are. Add in a few more grade-school insults. I don't care. Culture Vultures like you will spend your entire existence appropriating what is missing in your own life, without ever really understanding it. You make it quite clear in your posts, you don't even have a clue.
@reverendloush You are a JOKE! A complete and total ignoramus. Mascots like Chief Wahoo are disrespectful, offensive and disgusting. It wouldn't fly if it were any other group of peoples. Go play with your totem animal, you ridiculous, little man! I feel very, very sorry for you, and those who must have to put up with you in real life. I'll forget about you, as soon as I close this tab.
@Ajidamoon you are a complete joke little man! i feel sorry for anyone who has to put up with you! i don't play with totems they are sacred and not for play! and it happens to everyone and you don't see us getting all up in arms about it! ronald mcdonald was a real clan cheifton you idiot and in america he is portrayed as a clown and so what! i doubt that he would care one little bit! you are an ignorant child! and please forget me i pray you do you ignorant arrogant person!
@reverendloush LOL. Are you still in high school? Repeating my words....lololol. Just know that you are the kind of person real Natives avoid like the plague. I am not a child. Not even close to being a child. I am a woman who has lived everyday of her life as a Native person, while you have lived yours grasping at cultures you know nothing about. Sad. I bet your totem is a wolf too....Pretendian.
i have had so many native americans tribes people on myspace, facebook, and youtube tell me that i deserve no rights as a gay man it isn't ever funny anymore it is just stupid! to all people who see this thread! be who you want and believe what you want and call it what you want and screw everyone who doesn't like it!
i had teachers, guides, ancestors, family, family traditions, books, classes, experiences, and a host of other things! i don't care if something jives with yall, and i don't need to be accepted by your community! i have my own! not the point! everyone has a right to their beliefs no matter where they got them from, and a right to their perspectives!
the problem with all people is that they think they own their culture and they don't! no one owns any culture! no one owns any path, religion, or spiritual system!
@reverendloush I've never read so many postings by someone on youtube, who only manages to say the exact same thing in each post. Once again, you DON'T understand the video. The only other thing I have to say, is no matter what, these Pretendians are not practising Native beliefs and traditions...they are just playing at being Indian. They make a mockery of our actual beliefs. They can do whatever they want, pretend they understand our stories, but what they do isn't Native. Its a sad joke.
@Ajidamoon i understand but again i do not agree!!!!!!!!!! just because someone take an celtic tradition and uses it differently does not make it non celtic! same goes for native rituals! no one is making a mockery of anything! your arrogance is a sad joke! i am not steeped in ignorance you are! there is no such thing as plastic medicine people! there are people who are different from you and yes some have made mistakes! so have you! didn't learn what i know from the net!
@reverendloush Yeah, actually that is exactly what it means. If I take a certain Celtic deity, then make claims that they are something/someone that they aren't, based on my own interpretations because I have always felt "close" to Celtic people, that makes it non-Celtic. Just as most people misinterpret the Great Spirit or Wakan Takan, and make it what they want it to mean, but still claim it is Native. I wouldn't care less what these people do, if they didn't make the claim that it is Native.
@Ajidamoon so we will just agreee to disagree! it doesn't make it non celtic in my opinion or in reality! and you so don't want to do try and own any concept of The Great Spirit that is very very bad trouble! The Great Spirit belongs to all and all belong to him unless they reject him (and or her)!
@reverendloush LOL.....Case in point, Waniseinini. Ishtaahay! What is next? Are you going to tell me I have no right to be offended at Indian depictions as sports/school mascots? Are you going to start talking about your Native spirit animal? Its sad to meet someone so ignorant.
@Ajidamoon i do have totem spirits like every other human being on planet earth and i don't need to talk about them! you are so ignorant and arrogant! be offended at whatever you want and so will the rest of us!
@reverendloush@reverendloush The plastic medicine people this video and others on here speak of, are non-Natives, with NO tribal affiliation, that have never been taught our ways, and haven't been taken under the wing of a Medicine Man, take what they learned out of books, or other misinterpretations written by non-Natives, then sell it AS NATIVE. So yes, they do exist. Need a website that lists them? Ones up on fraud charges? They can be Shamans all they want, but they can't say its Native.
@Ajidamoon plastic medicine people don't exist except in the minds of arrogant native tribes peoples who think they own things they don't! that is the real truth!
@reverendloush "yes we all have native in us by now! we have at least three tribes in our blood".....You are a funny little guy, Enjoy being steeped in ignorance. You are late for your poly-resin-tarped sweat lodge, directed by James Arthur Ray. That is what happens to people who fall prey to plastic medicine men who don't have even the basic of knowledge about our varied beliefs and learned it all off of internet sites written by other non-Natives.
@Ajidamoon again you do not know me or my family or what we do nor do not know oh arrogant one! your stance holds no water because of this! if you have 100 people read a bible passage you get a hundred different perceptions. without all these understandings you can't ever see the whole truth! every person has part of the truth within them!
@reverendloush Wrong again.So much of our culture has been taken from us already...why do you think you have a right to take our beliefs and turn them into things they are not too? Is it because you claim to have a distant NA relative? Get in line hunny, so does everyone else on this continent. Bet the elusive Native hiding in the family tree is Cherokee too. Everything you spit out smacks of entitlement.
@Ajidamoon arrogant till the end you are! yes we all have native in us by now! we have at least three tribes in our blood! i have more than illusive ....so what! the point is we all have the right to any beliefs we want to have and understand them how we want! you are not God! get over yourself! no one can take your culture from you that is stupid! the irish weren't allowed to speak irish or where green. it didn't make us non irish! everyone can believe what they want and that is the point!
@reverendloush Spiritual "things" are not limited to NA beliefs. I am sure as a Christian, you have spirituality. You can't corrupt our culture just because you are spiritually lost, and not expect a backlash. Get over your sense of entitlement. It will make your life a helluva lot easier.
@Ajidamoon you are the ones with the sense of entitlement and that is exactly the point and the problem! i can take any belief from any culture or time or place i choose and understand it differently than you and that is my divine right! it doesn't make either one of us wrong or right! but in your arrogance you think your culture owns certain beliefs and you don't! that is the point!
@Ajidamoon no one is corrupting anything except by thinking they own exclusive rights to it! i am not lost at all! in my family we never lost our culture or our way! i am not lost at all! i know exactly what i do and don't believe! no one can take that from me because i won't allow it! anyone who thinks they own an idea of a spiritual belief needs to get themselves in check and right with God! lots of people take irish beliefs and perceive them differently than me and they have the right to!
@reverendloush Believe whatever the hell you want.....but you can't call it Native when your version of it doesn't jive with actual Natives, nor can you call it Native when you are not a tribal member, or a person accepted by the community.
wait except me because i am part white, gay, and a christian mystic! of course i don't have any rights to my beliefs since i don't live on a native american tribal reservation!
@reverendloush Who really gives a crap that you are gay or a Christian mystic? Our current healer is gay, as was the one before him, and many tribal members have decided Christianity is the way to go......but just as one cannot cherry pick bits and pieces from the bible, one cannot do it with NA spirituality either. Its the same reasoning why there is so much fighting amongst the sects of Christianity. You didn't understand the video at all. Cry racism against the zhaaganash all you want....
@Ajidamoon people fight because of arrogance like yours where you assume you know everything about every one and that your beliefs are the only right way to look at things!
@reverendloush "that your beliefs are the only right way to look at things". Uh, no. Not even close. My beliefs teach me that everyone must find their own path. I couldn't care less that you are Christian. That is what works for you....bravo.
it was not in any way nonsensical unless one is stupid! emotional yes...this racist crap offends me deeply as a human being! i understand your position but i disagree with it completely! you misunderstand disagreement with misunderstanding! i disagree! we have the right to disagree with each other as unlike the racists people involved in these anti-white videos i don't want or need to take other rights from them! so we disagree! good for you and good for me! everyone has equal rights!
in my family a great many many spiritual and healing traditions were passed down! if you don't like it that is your problem! stop trying to make it everyone elses!
and once again i was born in america so i am a native american, i have a clan, a family, and a tribe....actually i have several of each of these and i am proud to be of mixed heritage! and you keep throwing around the term new age like it is something new or silly and it is neither! besides my native american tribal ancestry i have celtic ancestry, which includes a clan, and a tribe, several in fact in my case! these people don't think they are racist but they are!
they don't know what kind of traditions have been passed on to these people in their families! and yet they feel like they have a right to sit in judgment on them! it is no different than when people first came to this land and sat in judgment on the tribes peoples! it i all about freedom! we all have it or we all don't! as a gay man i will fight for freedom for all people! people do what you want and if others don't like it too bad for them!
really well that is funny because went i went to new mexico and colorado the tribes peoples where all about selling stuff lol! look i just find it hypocritical for any person to say something is alright for them to do but not alright for someone else to do! i will do what i want and call it what i want! the funny thing is that these so called natives don't know anything about the people they are complaining about! they don't know their ancestry or their upbringing!
@interstellarwonder to be a supremist means that you have to believe one race is better or supreme compared to others! that is just silly! all races still have a lot to learn, and all i am saying is that native americans think they are better than everyone else and they aren't! now i know it is not all natives, but there is now a large vocal portion that are highly racist and highly wrong! to the creator, we all look the same!
@reverendloush you actually think native americans think they're better than everyone else?that is just silly and completely racist bullshit!native americans are not even citizens of the states they live in because of gov't laws and shit like that,which is why the gov't can care less about 'INDIANS'.
@reverendloush@reverendloush you actually think native americans think they're better than everyone else?that is just silly and completely racist bullshit!native americans are not even citizens of the states they live in because of gov't laws and shit like that,which is why the gov't can care less about 'INDIANS'.
@interstellarwonder hey i myself am a thrid class citizen because i am gay so don't cry to me about injustice as i face a lot more than tribes peoples! in fact a lot of it is coming from tribes peoples! many of whom told me that i deserve no rights as a gay man!
@reverendloush your being gay has nothing to do with native ppl. i can tell you just want to pick on native americans ,but i have no clue why? your just pointing fingers making native americans look bad,why would you do this? don't be an asshole ,okay?
@interstellarwonder i am picking on people who picked on me first! they have the nerve to call other people plastic because we disagree with them, or have a different perception of certain things, or practice the medicine ways differently than they do! well screw that, and you are being an asshole ok!
Funny how SNOWFLAKE wont respond to the people who have dismantled and deconstructed her RiDICULOUS AND RACIST STRAWMAN ARGUMENT.
Hey SNOWFLAKE, lemme give you some well meaning advice, be happy with who you are and really think about why us Indians make YOU sooo angry. All this hate must be eating you up inside, just let it go and do everyone a favor and just leave! We don't need your toxic words.
@SNOWFLAKE, the question to you should be HOW DO YOU REALLY KNOW? Like I said before all you have is some old picture from 100-150 years ago? And you think this dead relative is an Indian? You don't know. ROFL! You know what SNOWFLAKE I feel sorry for you, you are desperately trying to be something you're not and can never be. I know you're disappointed with us Indians because we didn't live up to your racist and stereotypical views and this makes you angry. Again be happy with who you are.
@SNOWFLAKE, no, I don't want to see a picture of one of your relatives from 5 generations ago. I don't believe you are "part Native American". Just because you seem to think some relative is Indian from an old picture doesn't mean their Indian. This is a common mistake most white people make, unfortunately it SNOWBALLS (pun intended) into the old ggg grandma was Indian story. We Indians hear that a lot. Now, I'm not putting you down I'm just giving you my opinion. Be happy with who are.
@ndnguest How do you really know? you haven't seen the picture. you don't know. the truth is that you don't care. Your words show me that you are a racist. I used to love indians. But now I've found that most of you are just a bunch of filthy racists. no better than the white people you claim to know so much about.
@jacarandas82 As a matter of fact, many american indians today feel that for these very reasons, white people should not be allowed to use drums, operate saunas, bear eagle feathers, wear "mohawks" etc., and the same people will argue that the reason is because white people never had shamans anyway. An even greater number of "native americans" believe that no matter if you have indian ancestors or not, the color of your skin determines whether you have the right to participate with them or not.
@allisonforfornsed--lighten up SNOWFLAKE! Wow, looks like someone is off their medication.
Why do all white people try to claim "part native american" to justify rascist rants? Can you answer me that SNOWFLAKE? Because I would really like to know.
@ndnguest If you want to see a picture of my indian ggg grandmother, I can e-mail it to you right away. It was years of putting up with people like you that passed judgment on me, putting me down for "trying to claim" to be part native american, that led me to begin these rants. I don't like racists anymore than you do, but I've had my fill of "native american" racists, I;ve had quite enough thank you.
Another good thing to mention is that I don't use the term "Native American". It is a misnomer. look the word "native" up in the dictionary. It means that you are born here. how many of you were born here? raise your hands? that's right. I'm white, and I was born here. that means I AM A NATIVE AMERICAN. All people born in America are technically native americans. but not all are indians. that is different. I am a Native American. But I am not indian. Even though, I do have some indian ancestors.
I am a Celtic Witch and I denounce the use of my Native Peoples sacred things being used in any WiseCraft. We have our own birds to gather feathers from, we have our own drums, which should be fashioned exactly as the Celts created them. We paint our faces, but we use different pigments and different designs.
@moonfirewolf1 Hi Hi! I appreciate your comment. I would however like to point out that Celtic people are not considered "native" anywhere, because they were not the first peoples to inhabit the seven celtic nations, they displaced the earlier inhabitants, according to history. nice comment though.
@allisonforfornsed You're right about this, only one interesting thing I would like to point out. The word "native", is widely misused. I think it is a misnomer. I think there should be a better word for it. though I don't really like the word "indigenous", I think it better than native. As you may know, the actual direct meaning of the word "native" refers to the land of one's birth, hence the root prefix "Nat". 'for instance, I am "native" to america because I was born here, despite my race.
@allisonforfornsed ..How far back in history are you going. I'm talking long before the Roman invasion. In either case, everyone must respect the People of Turtle Islands to exclusive rights of their Sacred Path. We are transgressors on this land and transgressors of their cultures. At no point in time did we rightfully immigrate to this land and convert to their Spiritual path, learn the languages, and take up and abide by their laws and customs.
@moonfirewolf1 Lemme give you some well-meaning advice, one celt to another. while you blindly love, respect, admire & exalt them to a pedestal, those mystical, sacred, holy, blameless people of turtle island are going to spit right in your eye and then turn and laugh at you. Keep in mind that many archaeologists believe based on good evidence that white people were here before indians, & were killed off in the same way as the white people killed them off later on. People are people, pain and
@allisonforfornsed simple. also, no offense, but I can tell from some of your earlier comments about us celts being "native" that you really need to go and learn more about history. For your own good. I was where you were once, believing what you do about "the people of turtle island". Don't just go on what everyone tells you.
@allisonforfornsed Regardless of yours or any others claims, these are the rightful holders of the lands, their culture and spirituality. The white man was not here first, he came and traded and returned home. I can tell you the dictates of Gaia upon the Celts as regards this situation. I did bother to ask our ancestors and Gaia, I will leave the wording at that as I am Avalonic...
Nice white tactic to use pseuo-anthropology to downplay Indian issues. The only people who still believe in such false claims as the Solutrean theory and "ancient white americans" are white supremacists (Stormfront members) and anti-Indian groups and individuals in general. Kennewick Man was shown not to be related to "caucasians". They've been classified as either resembling Polynesian or Ainu populations. Before you jump to conclusions, the Ainu aren't white. LOL
you are a liar on many levels. even the tribes people we are related too told us of the ancient stories from our people about ancient fair skinned people coming here and marrying some tribes people and having mixed babies. genetics tests that scientists have done show this to be true!
@reverendloush Take it up with your government if you want to be called a Native American too. They are the ones who came up with the label and slapped it on the indigenous of the US without their consent. Amongst ourselves, we identify as our tribal Nations......only when talking to "outsiders" will you find a Native using the term Native, or First Nations in Canada. Nothing else you have written is even worth addressing do to its level of ridiculousness.
@Ajidamoon nothing i wrote was ridiculous except to morons too stupid to understand it! all i have said over and over again in different ways and with different points is that this video and a lot of tribes peoples are highly racist, and yet scream about white people being racist! it is hypocritical! take the beam out of your own eyes i say! but you go ahead little racists, little people! you can't hurt me, you can only keep yourselves small and un-evolved!
@reverendloush Oh yes. How racist to want to keep our traditions and culture from being polluted with new-age nonsense says the person telling others to take the beam out of their eye. Awwww......aren't you cute.
@Ajidamoon no one is telling you that you can't do what you want that is just stupid! what we are saying is that you don't have the right to tell us what to do in return! and no i am not particularly attractive i am rather plain! that is not the issue so stop being stupid! and yes take the beam out of your own eyes and stop being hypocritical, and racist!
@reverendloush Again, with the misuse of the word racism. It really doesn't have anything to do with race. I am a citizen of the Ojibwe Nation and there are MANY Ojibwe who are part black or part white.....I even know a part Chinese Ojibwe. We want to stop ALL people from appropriating our customs and PASSING THEM OFF as something that is Native. If its for sale, it isn't Native. If they want to practice being new-age Shamans, then woohoo. Its the pretending its Native that is inappropriate.
@Ajidamoon and by the way who the hell do you or any tribes person think you are to decide for everyone else what is or is not appropriate!?! i am a human being with divine rights that you don't get to decide to take away!
@reverendloush Ishtaahay! That was quite a little rant you went on there.....mostly nonsensical, emotional whining. You clearly do not understand the video, nor our position in the least.....LOL
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PUKE PUKE PUKE.....you guys are gonna have alot of fight on your hands from the asatruar and celts as soon as you try to tell us we can't use OUR drums OUR herbs and celebrate the history of OUR tribes. See my video.
@aimsb1214 Actually, archaeology /genetics is beginning 2 show that white people were here before indians. But I don't condone what the Europeans did to the indians when the white settlers came over more recently. It was wrong. But u must understand that no one has ever "owned" land. THIS IS NOT NDN land. In Europe, from times of old tribes were constantly being misplaced by other peoples. that is the way of things. YOU accept it! U don't own this country. As for making rules for us white people
@allisonforfornsed The theory that prehistoric Europeans colonized America was first put forward in the 1950s by archaeologist Frank Hibben, but was discredited by evidence supporting the notion the continent was populated 20,000 to 15,000 years ago by Asian migrants who walked across the land bridge then linking Siberia with Alaska, and who then trekked south through the continent.
From The Observer, Japan Times, November 29, 1999.
it was not discredited by anyone who is credible! so i will disagree with much of what you say! it is only said to be discredited by people who hate the truth interfering with popular historical theory!
@allisonforfornsed Yeah...calm down. I'm pretty sure the spiritual and traditional people of the Native Americans would be more accepting and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you are proposing is an attempt to resurrect the ways of white ancestry. We should certainly explore this to it's fullest as a way to bridge gaps and not start..."tribal wars" as it were. Just calm down...
@allisonforfornsed BTW, I wasn't using the word Native in description of the Celts, please re-read. The People of Turtle Island are my Sacred Native People...
Next thing you know, these indians will have it to where we Celts can't use OUR drums, burn OUR herbs or call ourselves tribes because apparently INDIANS OWN ALL THESE THINGS. Lemme tell you something you filthy little RACIST pukes. You try to tell us white people what to do, and we're going to spit right in your miserable self-pitying little greedy eyes. believe me. us Celts and asatruars aren't gonna sit back and take it. Get a life! see my video response.
what gets me is all the racism from the ultra spiritual natives who are here to set us white people strait! every culture has been enslaved or threatened with extermination at some point in time. people have tried to wipe the jews, and the celts, and many others out at one time or another, and all of these cultures had to rebuild and get over it! it is time to put the past to rest. not to forget it but to be freed from the spiritual prison it keeps people in! time to evolve and move on!
well first off...no i won't but you feel free, and secondly the word bitch implies female which i am not! but thanks for the laughs and giving me so much power! that fact you felt the need to tell me to f-off and called me silly names means that something i said struck a nerve! which means on some level, that you know i am right and telling the truth! so thanks! blessings you lol!
lol hahaha i just read your page! seriously white supremecy will be the cause of the next war in your opinion? lol that is so funny and stupid! oh and there is a God and he/she/it Loves you and cares a great deal! i hope you find happiness, you are so angry and sad! well misguided one, love, light, and blessings!
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i watched the video and it is racist garbage like most of the native americans on you tube! i am glad the ones i met in person where nothing like any of these people!
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@reverenddoush, wow!! Lighten up SNOWBALL. It looks like another one has forgotten to take their medication. Why is it when it comes to Indians that all these silly and ridiculous white people GO OFF THE RAILS. Yuck, you white people are tiresome and just plain exhausting!
Some one else made a good point and posted this comment a long time ago and I quote " How is this you tube video even relevant to any of your rants??" Well? Have any of you white people even watched the video?? Seriously.
ndnguest 4 months ago 9
@ndnguest thanks for proving my point....yall are a bunch of racists throwing around your racist terms! typical, and stupid, and pathetic!
reverendloush 4 months ago
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whatever crazy!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush lololol I am sure most would agree that the only crazy person here is the one who plays with faeries! You are classic Twinkie. I am not your mascot, nor is my culture yours for the taking. You'll come to realize it someday.
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Sad.....lol.Like I said.....Twinkie.
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@Ajidamoon like i said crazy racist!
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listen we will never agree but i do want to say that it has been an interesting and lively conversation! i hope you and our people get whatever you want or need out of life and that all blessing find you abundantly in all ways! peace, joy, love, and light! may The Great Spirit be with you, bless you, and keep you always!
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Respond to this video... that should say "your people" sorry!
reverendloush 5 months ago
If you feel sorry for the poor Native Americans who are so benighted they can't understand that you're right....you might be a Twinkie.
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@Ajidamoon now i know you are nuts! bye bye crazy bird!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon moron and racist!
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@reverendloush I can always count on you for a laugh. Thanks again guy.
Ajidamoon 3 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon wow you can laugh i was beginning to think natives didn't know how! that is good to know! maybe there is hope for yall yet!
reverendloush 3 months ago
@reverendloush lololololol! That was a good one. Are you twelve?
Ajidamoon 3 months ago 2
Pretending you are something you are not, may make you something you do not want to be. Live your life as a fraudulent thief if you want, but don't expect to be welcomed with open arms to steal my culture to "interpret" any way you like. If you plan on interpreting teachings anyway you like, what is the point of being taught? Go back to your parent's basement little man.....you have no rights here.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 4
@Ajidamoon we all have rights! i am not a fraud or a theif, i will leave that to you. you pretend to be so wise, and you try and steal the rights of others! but in the end you can'! i don't want to be embraced by your culture, i have my own thanks! the point of being taught is not to agree with everything your teacher tells you, but to expand your perception of the universe! i don't live in a basement and never have so no clue what you mean there crazy!
reverendloush 5 months ago
if you and your people are so concerned with outsiders getting your traditions wrong than stop complaining and start trying to share your reality! otherwise you have no business complaining about people getting your culture wrong. and if you don't want to share with outsiders that is ok, but then you have no business screaming about people not understanding your culture! you say people misunderstand, fine then teach them or keep quiet! you either care or you don't; choose!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush LOL. You are a joke. Keep on thinking that you have a right to take whatever you want. All you will end up is peddling misinformation....exactly what everything you are saying in your posts points to. Go play with your tarot cards and read your Twilight. Elders wouldn't teach you "ritual".....you 'learned' off a website written by White Eagle Medicine Woman or another notorious Pretendian. I'm sorry you have been the victim of fraud.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 4
@Ajidamoon obviously you are too ignorant to understand english. i didn't learn anything from a website, i did have elders teach me. a couple were native, most were of my tradition or people. i don't peddle misinformation i leave that up to people like you! i don't play with tarot cards but i do read cards now and again. i love a good vampire fantasy novel like twilight so i will! i am not a victim and have never been, that is what you are! you are the joke!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Ahhh, but we have shared, and that is where people get ridiculous notions about spirit animals, that Gitchi Manitou is a god, and that we all talk to trees. You won't ever be satisfied until we have nothing left as a peoples, as it is our spirit that has brought us this far. Sorry kid, but you DON'T get anything else. Its been made clear we don't want to share anymore, but here you are with your hand out ready to take what you can and use it as you see fit. Find your own path.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 4
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@Ajidamoon get over yourself! i wasn't asking for information, i have known my path always as i was born into it! i was simply saying that you have no grounds to bitch for things being the way you helped make them. put up or shut up! you may not talk to trees but many of us do, they are great teachers. you never gave me anything nor do i want anything from you because you have nothing to teach me. i hope you have everything as a peoples, but i hope you stop trying to deny it to everyone else!
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ps. spirit animals are very much real! we work with them all the time, and they too are great teachers! sorry you have not met them, they have so much knowledge to share! there are also angels, ancestors, elementals or fairies, and a host of other beings in the universe. they all have something wonderful to teach and to share! sorry you have not met them. all can be messengers from God! well i hope you are blessed and enjoy your path! i know i enjoy mine! blessed be! and good bye!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush LOL. Do you have stocks in tin foil?
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 4
and you do not know me again! some of the people who shared ritual with me were native, so what! they warned me about racist natives who didn't understand their own traditions, i just never thought to encounter them on youtube. the people i use to know made fun of angry natives and said that The Great Spirit never intended for his children to hate each other or try and hoard knowledge! now i see what they were talking about!
reverendloush 5 months ago
no one stole anything and that is the point! you can't steal something that belongs to everyone!!!!!!!! no one is pretending anything! plenty of people and elders have share ritual with me! so what! and yours is not the only culture that gets mocked or romanticized, are you nuts?! stop being in your victim mentality! all cultures get mocked and romanticized! humans always romanticize all history! you are not special no one is, we are all the same! that is exactly the point you aren't getting!
reverendloush 5 months ago
lol....somehow I addressed those comments to myself.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
You may have been persecuted against because you are gay & that is wrong....but have you ever been persecuted because of your race? Been subject to myths like you live on government assistance from cradle to grave? Been spit on at University orientation because the other students, black, white & other, think you got a free ride? Do random stranger tell you you should have to pay taxes to without ever knowing that you do?
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon yes i am persecuted all the time for all aspects of who i am, being white, being gay, and being christian, and a few other things too! boo hoo i am not going to lay down and die because of it! everyone is persecuted for something! hopefully one day all humans will know better!
reverendloush 5 months ago
everyone has a divine right to believe what they want to and hold whatever rituals they want to! freedom to all people, not just tribal ones! do what you want people believe what you want! if anyone tells you what to do, remind them that they are not God, or any god of any kind! then tell them to shut up and mind their own business instead of worrying about yours!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Get back at me when they rename the Cleveland Indians to the Cleveland Crackers, and make the mascot a fat, white guy in a trucker cap and wife-beater. Or when they sell Halloween costumes of your race for people to wear. Or when every person you meet feels a need to tell you about their Cherokee great-great-Grandmother, their spirit animal is a wolf, and that is why they have a dream catcher tattoo or hang one from their rear view mirror.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon they do sell halloween costumes of all people and races crazy! i have seen hundreds of braveheart costumes amongst many other things! so you just sound like a crazy victim! many schools have crazy white mascots like, the rebel soldiers of instance. and again there is the example of ronald mcdonald!
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@reverendloush lol i remember this one school a friend went to and they had a...well...a paul bunion kind of mountain hatchet man. and an old school i went to had a cowboy as a mascot. it was so boring i would have rather had a native mascot, at least it would have stood for something and had some style lol!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush The point......you just aren't getting it. Call your rituals and ceremonies whatever you want...but NOT Native, as they weren't given to you by Natives.....you stole them to fit your needs. And all you are really doing, is pretending, as you will never understand our ceremonies and traditions, as no one is ever going to share them with you. Ours is the ONLY culture it is ok to mock, to romanticize and to commercialize.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 4
@Ajidamoon And now these same people, want to take your very culture & make it their own......and sadly, you don't see anything wrong with that. In fact, you try and tell me I don't know my own traditions, when you are the one who is the outsider and makes it clear from what you write, you don't have a clue as to what we actually believe. I really hope you get over this sense of entitlement you have. Amii sa apane.
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@Ajidamoon again you are the one with entitlement issues! you feel entitled to tell others what to do! and no i don't care if people take my culture and interpret it in a way that is good for them. why would i care, it doesn't change me or the historical reality of my culture. my culture and me are old enough not to care about such trivial things lol!
reverendloush 5 months ago
lol whatever hahahahahaha! believe what you want i don't really care hahaha! lol lol lol
reverendloush 5 months ago
ps. i will say this; when we do ritual or teach; a class we say when something came from natives to honor where it came from, and we never never say that we do it, teach it, or perceive it in the same way that natives do! and no offense but i wouldn't want to perceive it the same way as you! we are all called to different paths! but everyone has a divine right to spiritual expression and freedom!
reverendloush 5 months ago
russia and the middle east have had sweat lodges for thousands of years! the idea of spirit animals and medicine shields, war paint, dream catchers, these are not unique to any one culture! they appear all over the ancient world! the celts for example had all of these things and so what! all human beings use to know all of this stuff! no one culture is special and no one owns it! it is arrogant and ignorant to think otherwise! no one is better than anyone else!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush There are certain elements that ARE exclusive to Native ceremonies....and all these Pretendians are missing them. Know why? Perhaps its because they haven't met a real Native in their entire pirating life. Then they have the gall to turn around and call what they do Native. THAT IS THE PART THAT IS WRONG! Egesedidawe! Please thoroughly read what has been written before you respond.....you are making this far too easy....I almost feel bad.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon see that is the arrogance i am talking about! there may be a few minor details that are unique to your tribe...so what! all these videos on the so called plastic medicine people, all this calling people pretendians, and pirates, all this arrogant prosecution of people who dare practice ritual because they are white that is the problem! your attitude! not a single white shaman i have ever met and i have known many claims to be anything other than what they are!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush LOLOLOL You still aren't getting it. You are posting the same thing, over and over again. Who cares that these people are doing rituals, or sweats? No one. What we care about is that what they are doing, they are passing off AS NATIVE. They are claiming their rituals ARE NATIVE!
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@reverendloush Its doesn't matter that they are white. There are black people that do it too. There are even Natives that sell PLASTIC medicine. What these people do isn't Native. Its a vague interpretation of it....the equivalent of playing let's pretend.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon no its not pretend anything! there is no such thing as plastic medicine! there is just people who disagree with you and who are different than you! you are arrogant, ignorant, judgmental, and hateful! no one cares, be whatever you want as that is your divine right as well! freedom for you too!
reverendloush 5 months ago
we tell people that we have mixed blood, that some practices and teachings come from natives and some come from europe and some from over here and some from over there! as is our divine right! some of my ancestors were native, and many were not! who cares? not the point! the native traditions that were passed down in my family are mine to interpret as i see fit! i have never seen a single white shaman even in these videos that claim to be full blood native tribes peoples! not a single one!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush It isn't about full-blood vs ancestry. Its about people doing random rituals, then calling them Native ceremonies just because they read somewhere that Natives have animal spirits, do horoscopes, and give each other ridiculous spirit names, that don't have anything to do with us. It only serves to perpetuate the ridiculous amount of stereotypes, myths and persecution we already face.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
Respond to this video... yet native peoples think they have the right to prosecute people for holding ceremony, or doing a sweat lodge! native tribes peoples have become so arrogant like their former oppressors that they think they are the only people with the rights to certain plants and feathers! nature, ritual, and ceremony belong to all the children of God! that is the point! so keep your arrogance and ignorance if you want! you make it too easy to see!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush That man who held the sweat was prosecuted.....because people died, as he didn't do it correctly. He just took what he saw in movies, charged a fee and told the fools that bought into it, it was Native. It wasn't. Take your god and stick him where the sun don't shine, as you clearly don't know the first thing about Native ceremony, traditions and teachings. You do NOT have a "divine" right to take the cultures of others just because you are lost.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon i am not talking about that one man. people died obviously we all know why he was prosecuted! i am talking about all the talk of prosecuting all white shamans in all these videos. you are an idiot for saying that about God but that is your peril and stupidity to deal with and not anyone elses! you don't know me or what i do and do not know, and you don't know anything about ritual or spirituality at all of any culture including the native culture apparently!
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@reverendloush You don't have any Native ancestry......what a joke. If you did, you would know how completely wrong you are and how you are NO BETTER than the people who stole our children, sterilized our women, outlawed our ceremonies.........and now you want to steal our culture too, to fill a void in your life. You are nothing more than a Plastic "Shaman". Keep posting, so everyone on youtube knows it too.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
this is why you are stupid and know nothing about other cultures! animal totems also called spirit animals and smudging, sweat lodges, medicine shields, dream catchers, sacred pipes, ritual, these things have been part of all human cultures since the dawn of time and do not belong to anyone culture! they are a part of all human culture and no one owns them! it isn't about cherry picking that ignorant! it's about humans being human! no one culture is any better than another!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush *sigh* YOU still DON'T get it. No one is claiming that those things are exclusive to Natives. LOL. But when you practise made-up rituals based on what you can read in books/off the net, written by other non-Natives, then turn around and claim what you are doing is Native....that is when you are wrong! Sheeeeesh. Dis you even actually watch the video? Or any of the hundreds of others on here?
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
nothing is missing from my life! i have been so very blessed! and i will keep fighting for the freedom of religion and spirituality which belongs to everyone not just natives! you do not know me or what i do or do not know or what we are and are not privy too! you think you are special and you are not! you are just like every other person on the planet who all have the same rights as you!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Again with the sense of entitlement.You can keep blathering on and on about your rights but truth is, you don't have a right to twist my culture into what you need it to be. There are thousands of religions you can cherry pick from to find your own spirituality. On the contrary, I do know you. I meet people like you everyday. Animal totems! Give credit where credit is due, since they haven't a thing to do with Native spirituality. Keep with your postings, they are good for a laugh
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
bunch of childish idiots!
reverendloush 5 months ago
there is nothing missing in my life, i am very blessed you arrogant child! and just because you are tribal doesn't mean that you know everything! no one person knows it all and no one is perfect and everyone should have the freedom to live as they choose and that again is the point!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush says the guy who seems to spend most of his time trying to justify why its okay to appropriate cultures he knows nothing about, for his own pleasure.....You can live as you chose.....but you CANNOT call your beliefs Native when you don't even know what it is we believe...just like those in the video. You will never be privy. Call me a child all you want...I'm not the one tossing around grade-school insults. Seems like there is lots missing in your life.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
oh and please avoid! nothing would make me happier! lol hahahahahah
reverendloush 5 months ago
no i am way older than you probably and no it is not the wolf and no i don't have to pretend anything you shrew! i am who i am and i don't need to be anyone or anything else and it is you who know nothing about other cultures!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush You may be older than me....don't really care. Older doesn't necessarily mean wiser, which you make quite evident. Keep on showcasing how ignorant and just down right ridiculous you are. Add in a few more grade-school insults. I don't care. Culture Vultures like you will spend your entire existence appropriating what is missing in your own life, without ever really understanding it. You make it quite clear in your posts, you don't even have a clue.
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Ajidamoon 5 months ago
and why be so juvenile ans stupid and silly as to be offended at mascots which most people love love love! that is just stupid!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush You are a JOKE! A complete and total ignoramus. Mascots like Chief Wahoo are disrespectful, offensive and disgusting. It wouldn't fly if it were any other group of peoples. Go play with your totem animal, you ridiculous, little man! I feel very, very sorry for you, and those who must have to put up with you in real life. I'll forget about you, as soon as I close this tab.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon you are a complete joke little man! i feel sorry for anyone who has to put up with you! i don't play with totems they are sacred and not for play! and it happens to everyone and you don't see us getting all up in arms about it! ronald mcdonald was a real clan cheifton you idiot and in america he is portrayed as a clown and so what! i doubt that he would care one little bit! you are an ignorant child! and please forget me i pray you do you ignorant arrogant person!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush LOL. Are you still in high school? Repeating my words....lololol. Just know that you are the kind of person real Natives avoid like the plague. I am not a child. Not even close to being a child. I am a woman who has lived everyday of her life as a Native person, while you have lived yours grasping at cultures you know nothing about. Sad. I bet your totem is a wolf too....Pretendian.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
i have had so many native americans tribes people on myspace, facebook, and youtube tell me that i deserve no rights as a gay man it isn't ever funny anymore it is just stupid! to all people who see this thread! be who you want and believe what you want and call it what you want and screw everyone who doesn't like it!
reverendloush 5 months ago
i had teachers, guides, ancestors, family, family traditions, books, classes, experiences, and a host of other things! i don't care if something jives with yall, and i don't need to be accepted by your community! i have my own! not the point! everyone has a right to their beliefs no matter where they got them from, and a right to their perspectives!
reverendloush 5 months ago
the problem with all people is that they think they own their culture and they don't! no one owns any culture! no one owns any path, religion, or spiritual system!
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Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@reverendloush I've never read so many postings by someone on youtube, who only manages to say the exact same thing in each post. Once again, you DON'T understand the video. The only other thing I have to say, is no matter what, these Pretendians are not practising Native beliefs and traditions...they are just playing at being Indian. They make a mockery of our actual beliefs. They can do whatever they want, pretend they understand our stories, but what they do isn't Native. Its a sad joke.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon i understand but again i do not agree!!!!!!!!!! just because someone take an celtic tradition and uses it differently does not make it non celtic! same goes for native rituals! no one is making a mockery of anything! your arrogance is a sad joke! i am not steeped in ignorance you are! there is no such thing as plastic medicine people! there are people who are different from you and yes some have made mistakes! so have you! didn't learn what i know from the net!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Yeah, actually that is exactly what it means. If I take a certain Celtic deity, then make claims that they are something/someone that they aren't, based on my own interpretations because I have always felt "close" to Celtic people, that makes it non-Celtic. Just as most people misinterpret the Great Spirit or Wakan Takan, and make it what they want it to mean, but still claim it is Native. I wouldn't care less what these people do, if they didn't make the claim that it is Native.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon so we will just agreee to disagree! it doesn't make it non celtic in my opinion or in reality! and you so don't want to do try and own any concept of The Great Spirit that is very very bad trouble! The Great Spirit belongs to all and all belong to him unless they reject him (and or her)!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush LOL.....Case in point, Waniseinini. Ishtaahay! What is next? Are you going to tell me I have no right to be offended at Indian depictions as sports/school mascots? Are you going to start talking about your Native spirit animal? Its sad to meet someone so ignorant.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon i do have totem spirits like every other human being on planet earth and i don't need to talk about them! you are so ignorant and arrogant! be offended at whatever you want and so will the rest of us!
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Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@reverendloush @reverendloush The plastic medicine people this video and others on here speak of, are non-Natives, with NO tribal affiliation, that have never been taught our ways, and haven't been taken under the wing of a Medicine Man, take what they learned out of books, or other misinterpretations written by non-Natives, then sell it AS NATIVE. So yes, they do exist. Need a website that lists them? Ones up on fraud charges? They can be Shamans all they want, but they can't say its Native.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon plastic medicine people don't exist except in the minds of arrogant native tribes peoples who think they own things they don't! that is the real truth!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush "yes we all have native in us by now! we have at least three tribes in our blood".....You are a funny little guy, Enjoy being steeped in ignorance. You are late for your poly-resin-tarped sweat lodge, directed by James Arthur Ray. That is what happens to people who fall prey to plastic medicine men who don't have even the basic of knowledge about our varied beliefs and learned it all off of internet sites written by other non-Natives.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon again you do not know me or my family or what we do nor do not know oh arrogant one! your stance holds no water because of this! if you have 100 people read a bible passage you get a hundred different perceptions. without all these understandings you can't ever see the whole truth! every person has part of the truth within them!
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reverendloush 5 months ago
you only get rights to believe in spiritual things if you are a native on a reservation!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Wrong again.So much of our culture has been taken from us already...why do you think you have a right to take our beliefs and turn them into things they are not too? Is it because you claim to have a distant NA relative? Get in line hunny, so does everyone else on this continent. Bet the elusive Native hiding in the family tree is Cherokee too. Everything you spit out smacks of entitlement.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon arrogant till the end you are! yes we all have native in us by now! we have at least three tribes in our blood! i have more than illusive ....so what! the point is we all have the right to any beliefs we want to have and understand them how we want! you are not God! get over yourself! no one can take your culture from you that is stupid! the irish weren't allowed to speak irish or where green. it didn't make us non irish! everyone can believe what they want and that is the point!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Spiritual "things" are not limited to NA beliefs. I am sure as a Christian, you have spirituality. You can't corrupt our culture just because you are spiritually lost, and not expect a backlash. Get over your sense of entitlement. It will make your life a helluva lot easier.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon you are the ones with the sense of entitlement and that is exactly the point and the problem! i can take any belief from any culture or time or place i choose and understand it differently than you and that is my divine right! it doesn't make either one of us wrong or right! but in your arrogance you think your culture owns certain beliefs and you don't! that is the point!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon no one is corrupting anything except by thinking they own exclusive rights to it! i am not lost at all! in my family we never lost our culture or our way! i am not lost at all! i know exactly what i do and don't believe! no one can take that from me because i won't allow it! anyone who thinks they own an idea of a spiritual belief needs to get themselves in check and right with God! lots of people take irish beliefs and perceive them differently than me and they have the right to!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Believe whatever the hell you want.....but you can't call it Native when your version of it doesn't jive with actual Natives, nor can you call it Native when you are not a tribal member, or a person accepted by the community.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
wait except me because i am part white, gay, and a christian mystic! of course i don't have any rights to my beliefs since i don't live on a native american tribal reservation!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Who really gives a crap that you are gay or a Christian mystic? Our current healer is gay, as was the one before him, and many tribal members have decided Christianity is the way to go......but just as one cannot cherry pick bits and pieces from the bible, one cannot do it with NA spirituality either. Its the same reasoning why there is so much fighting amongst the sects of Christianity. You didn't understand the video at all. Cry racism against the zhaaganash all you want....
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon people fight because of arrogance like yours where you assume you know everything about every one and that your beliefs are the only right way to look at things!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush "that your beliefs are the only right way to look at things". Uh, no. Not even close. My beliefs teach me that everyone must find their own path. I couldn't care less that you are Christian. That is what works for you....bravo.
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reverendloush 5 months ago
it was not in any way nonsensical unless one is stupid! emotional yes...this racist crap offends me deeply as a human being! i understand your position but i disagree with it completely! you misunderstand disagreement with misunderstanding! i disagree! we have the right to disagree with each other as unlike the racists people involved in these anti-white videos i don't want or need to take other rights from them! so we disagree! good for you and good for me! everyone has equal rights!
reverendloush 5 months ago
in my family a great many many spiritual and healing traditions were passed down! if you don't like it that is your problem! stop trying to make it everyone elses!
reverendloush 5 months ago
and once again i was born in america so i am a native american, i have a clan, a family, and a tribe....actually i have several of each of these and i am proud to be of mixed heritage! and you keep throwing around the term new age like it is something new or silly and it is neither! besides my native american tribal ancestry i have celtic ancestry, which includes a clan, and a tribe, several in fact in my case! these people don't think they are racist but they are!
reverendloush 5 months ago
they don't know what kind of traditions have been passed on to these people in their families! and yet they feel like they have a right to sit in judgment on them! it is no different than when people first came to this land and sat in judgment on the tribes peoples! it i all about freedom! we all have it or we all don't! as a gay man i will fight for freedom for all people! people do what you want and if others don't like it too bad for them!
reverendloush 5 months ago
really well that is funny because went i went to new mexico and colorado the tribes peoples where all about selling stuff lol! look i just find it hypocritical for any person to say something is alright for them to do but not alright for someone else to do! i will do what i want and call it what i want! the funny thing is that these so called natives don't know anything about the people they are complaining about! they don't know their ancestry or their upbringing!
reverendloush 5 months ago
reverendloush<--- i'll bet you a thumbs up this person is spreading hate propaganda, probably a white supremist and is a troll.
interstellarwonder 6 months ago 3
@interstellarwonder i am not a white supremist as i am not completely white idiot!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@interstellarwonder to be a supremist means that you have to believe one race is better or supreme compared to others! that is just silly! all races still have a lot to learn, and all i am saying is that native americans think they are better than everyone else and they aren't! now i know it is not all natives, but there is now a large vocal portion that are highly racist and highly wrong! to the creator, we all look the same!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush you actually think native americans think they're better than everyone else?that is just silly and completely racist bullshit!native americans are not even citizens of the states they live in because of gov't laws and shit like that,which is why the gov't can care less about 'INDIANS'.
interstellarwonder 5 months ago
@reverendloush @reverendloush you actually think native americans think they're better than everyone else?that is just silly and completely racist bullshit!native americans are not even citizens of the states they live in because of gov't laws and shit like that,which is why the gov't can care less about 'INDIANS'.
interstellarwonder 5 months ago
@interstellarwonder hey i myself am a thrid class citizen because i am gay so don't cry to me about injustice as i face a lot more than tribes peoples! in fact a lot of it is coming from tribes peoples! many of whom told me that i deserve no rights as a gay man!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush your being gay has nothing to do with native ppl. i can tell you just want to pick on native americans ,but i have no clue why? your just pointing fingers making native americans look bad,why would you do this? don't be an asshole ,okay?
interstellarwonder 5 months ago 2
@interstellarwonder i am picking on people who picked on me first! they have the nerve to call other people plastic because we disagree with them, or have a different perception of certain things, or practice the medicine ways differently than they do! well screw that, and you are being an asshole ok!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush childish asshole
interstellarwonder 5 months ago 41
people no matter what modern people think , tribal or otherwise....no one owns the earth but the creator. and that is the ultimate truth here!
reverendloush 6 months ago
Funny how SNOWFLAKE wont respond to the people who have dismantled and deconstructed her RiDICULOUS AND RACIST STRAWMAN ARGUMENT.
Hey SNOWFLAKE, lemme give you some well meaning advice, be happy with who you are and really think about why us Indians make YOU sooo angry. All this hate must be eating you up inside, just let it go and do everyone a favor and just leave! We don't need your toxic words.
ndnguest 8 months ago
@SNOWFLAKE, the question to you should be HOW DO YOU REALLY KNOW? Like I said before all you have is some old picture from 100-150 years ago? And you think this dead relative is an Indian? You don't know. ROFL! You know what SNOWFLAKE I feel sorry for you, you are desperately trying to be something you're not and can never be. I know you're disappointed with us Indians because we didn't live up to your racist and stereotypical views and this makes you angry. Again be happy with who you are.
ndnguest 9 months ago
@SNOWFLAKE, no, I don't want to see a picture of one of your relatives from 5 generations ago. I don't believe you are "part Native American". Just because you seem to think some relative is Indian from an old picture doesn't mean their Indian. This is a common mistake most white people make, unfortunately it SNOWBALLS (pun intended) into the old ggg grandma was Indian story. We Indians hear that a lot. Now, I'm not putting you down I'm just giving you my opinion. Be happy with who are.
ndnguest 10 months ago 14
@ndnguest How do you really know? you haven't seen the picture. you don't know. the truth is that you don't care. Your words show me that you are a racist. I used to love indians. But now I've found that most of you are just a bunch of filthy racists. no better than the white people you claim to know so much about.
allisonforfornsed 9 months ago
@jacarandas82 As a matter of fact, many american indians today feel that for these very reasons, white people should not be allowed to use drums, operate saunas, bear eagle feathers, wear "mohawks" etc., and the same people will argue that the reason is because white people never had shamans anyway. An even greater number of "native americans" believe that no matter if you have indian ancestors or not, the color of your skin determines whether you have the right to participate with them or not.
allisonforfornsed 10 months ago
@allisonforfornsed--lighten up SNOWFLAKE! Wow, looks like someone is off their medication.
Why do all white people try to claim "part native american" to justify rascist rants? Can you answer me that SNOWFLAKE? Because I would really like to know.
ndnguest 10 months ago 5
@ndnguest If you want to see a picture of my indian ggg grandmother, I can e-mail it to you right away. It was years of putting up with people like you that passed judgment on me, putting me down for "trying to claim" to be part native american, that led me to begin these rants. I don't like racists anymore than you do, but I've had my fill of "native american" racists, I;ve had quite enough thank you.
allisonforfornsed 10 months ago
Another good thing to mention is that I don't use the term "Native American". It is a misnomer. look the word "native" up in the dictionary. It means that you are born here. how many of you were born here? raise your hands? that's right. I'm white, and I was born here. that means I AM A NATIVE AMERICAN. All people born in America are technically native americans. but not all are indians. that is different. I am a Native American. But I am not indian. Even though, I do have some indian ancestors.
allisonforfornsed 10 months ago
I am a Celtic Witch and I denounce the use of my Native Peoples sacred things being used in any WiseCraft. We have our own birds to gather feathers from, we have our own drums, which should be fashioned exactly as the Celts created them. We paint our faces, but we use different pigments and different designs.
moonfirewolf1 10 months ago 2
@moonfirewolf1 Hi Hi! I appreciate your comment. I would however like to point out that Celtic people are not considered "native" anywhere, because they were not the first peoples to inhabit the seven celtic nations, they displaced the earlier inhabitants, according to history. nice comment though.
allisonforfornsed 10 months ago
@allisonforfornsed You're right about this, only one interesting thing I would like to point out. The word "native", is widely misused. I think it is a misnomer. I think there should be a better word for it. though I don't really like the word "indigenous", I think it better than native. As you may know, the actual direct meaning of the word "native" refers to the land of one's birth, hence the root prefix "Nat". 'for instance, I am "native" to america because I was born here, despite my race.
allisonforfornsed 9 months ago
@allisonforfornsed ..How far back in history are you going. I'm talking long before the Roman invasion. In either case, everyone must respect the People of Turtle Islands to exclusive rights of their Sacred Path. We are transgressors on this land and transgressors of their cultures. At no point in time did we rightfully immigrate to this land and convert to their Spiritual path, learn the languages, and take up and abide by their laws and customs.
moonfirewolf1 8 months ago
@moonfirewolf1 Lemme give you some well-meaning advice, one celt to another. while you blindly love, respect, admire & exalt them to a pedestal, those mystical, sacred, holy, blameless people of turtle island are going to spit right in your eye and then turn and laugh at you. Keep in mind that many archaeologists believe based on good evidence that white people were here before indians, & were killed off in the same way as the white people killed them off later on. People are people, pain and
allisonforfornsed 8 months ago
@allisonforfornsed simple. also, no offense, but I can tell from some of your earlier comments about us celts being "native" that you really need to go and learn more about history. For your own good. I was where you were once, believing what you do about "the people of turtle island". Don't just go on what everyone tells you.
allisonforfornsed 8 months ago
@allisonforfornsed Regardless of yours or any others claims, these are the rightful holders of the lands, their culture and spirituality. The white man was not here first, he came and traded and returned home. I can tell you the dictates of Gaia upon the Celts as regards this situation. I did bother to ask our ancestors and Gaia, I will leave the wording at that as I am Avalonic...
moonfirewolf1 8 months ago 7
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Nice white tactic to use pseuo-anthropology to downplay Indian issues. The only people who still believe in such false claims as the Solutrean theory and "ancient white americans" are white supremacists (Stormfront members) and anti-Indian groups and individuals in general. Kennewick Man was shown not to be related to "caucasians". They've been classified as either resembling Polynesian or Ainu populations. Before you jump to conclusions, the Ainu aren't white. LOL
NopeJPeg 8 months ago 3
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you are a liar on many levels. even the tribes people we are related too told us of the ancient stories from our people about ancient fair skinned people coming here and marrying some tribes people and having mixed babies. genetics tests that scientists have done show this to be true!
reverendloush 6 months ago
@allisonforfornsed
you are native to where you are born i think! lol...wait i am a native celtic american lol!
reverendloush 6 months ago
@reverendloush technically, according to dictionary definition, you are right. we are native americans because we were born in america.
allisonforfornsed 6 months ago
@reverendloush Take it up with your government if you want to be called a Native American too. They are the ones who came up with the label and slapped it on the indigenous of the US without their consent. Amongst ourselves, we identify as our tribal Nations......only when talking to "outsiders" will you find a Native using the term Native, or First Nations in Canada. Nothing else you have written is even worth addressing do to its level of ridiculousness.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 2
@Ajidamoon nothing i wrote was ridiculous except to morons too stupid to understand it! all i have said over and over again in different ways and with different points is that this video and a lot of tribes peoples are highly racist, and yet scream about white people being racist! it is hypocritical! take the beam out of your own eyes i say! but you go ahead little racists, little people! you can't hurt me, you can only keep yourselves small and un-evolved!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Oh yes. How racist to want to keep our traditions and culture from being polluted with new-age nonsense says the person telling others to take the beam out of their eye. Awwww......aren't you cute.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon no one is telling you that you can't do what you want that is just stupid! what we are saying is that you don't have the right to tell us what to do in return! and no i am not particularly attractive i am rather plain! that is not the issue so stop being stupid! and yes take the beam out of your own eyes and stop being hypocritical, and racist!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Again, with the misuse of the word racism. It really doesn't have anything to do with race. I am a citizen of the Ojibwe Nation and there are MANY Ojibwe who are part black or part white.....I even know a part Chinese Ojibwe. We want to stop ALL people from appropriating our customs and PASSING THEM OFF as something that is Native. If its for sale, it isn't Native. If they want to practice being new-age Shamans, then woohoo. Its the pretending its Native that is inappropriate.
Ajidamoon 5 months ago
@Ajidamoon and by the way who the hell do you or any tribes person think you are to decide for everyone else what is or is not appropriate!?! i am a human being with divine rights that you don't get to decide to take away!
reverendloush 5 months ago
@reverendloush Ishtaahay! That was quite a little rant you went on there.....mostly nonsensical, emotional whining. You clearly do not understand the video, nor our position in the least.....LOL
Ajidamoon 5 months ago 11
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PUKE PUKE PUKE.....you guys are gonna have alot of fight on your hands from the asatruar and celts as soon as you try to tell us we can't use OUR drums OUR herbs and celebrate the history of OUR tribes. See my video.
allisonforfornsed 11 months ago
@allisonforfornsed - well, aren't you a credit to your race....lol how pathetic, your on NDN land motherfucker- accept it
aimsb1214 10 months ago 12
@aimsb1214 Actually, archaeology /genetics is beginning 2 show that white people were here before indians. But I don't condone what the Europeans did to the indians when the white settlers came over more recently. It was wrong. But u must understand that no one has ever "owned" land. THIS IS NOT NDN land. In Europe, from times of old tribes were constantly being misplaced by other peoples. that is the way of things. YOU accept it! U don't own this country. As for making rules for us white people
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1NX9 10 months ago
@allisonforfornsed The theory that prehistoric Europeans colonized America was first put forward in the 1950s by archaeologist Frank Hibben, but was discredited by evidence supporting the notion the continent was populated 20,000 to 15,000 years ago by Asian migrants who walked across the land bridge then linking Siberia with Alaska, and who then trekked south through the continent.
From The Observer, Japan Times, November 29, 1999.
Nice try.
MissManInBlack 9 months ago
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it was not discredited by anyone who is credible! so i will disagree with much of what you say! it is only said to be discredited by people who hate the truth interfering with popular historical theory!
reverendloush 6 months ago
(continued from last) I'd like to see U try. UR a pathetic racist pile of s**t.
allisonforfornsed 10 months ago
@allisonforfornsed Yeah...calm down. I'm pretty sure the spiritual and traditional people of the Native Americans would be more accepting and know beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you are proposing is an attempt to resurrect the ways of white ancestry. We should certainly explore this to it's fullest as a way to bridge gaps and not start..."tribal wars" as it were. Just calm down...
djwaglmuffin 9 months ago
@djwaglmuffin From what I can tell, unless I am mistaken, I think you have made a reasonable comment. I certainly don't want any tribal wars.
allisonforfornsed 9 months ago
@allisonforfornsed BTW, I wasn't using the word Native in description of the Celts, please re-read. The People of Turtle Island are my Sacred Native People...
moonfirewolf1 8 months ago
Next thing you know, these indians will have it to where we Celts can't use OUR drums, burn OUR herbs or call ourselves tribes because apparently INDIANS OWN ALL THESE THINGS. Lemme tell you something you filthy little RACIST pukes. You try to tell us white people what to do, and we're going to spit right in your miserable self-pitying little greedy eyes. believe me. us Celts and asatruars aren't gonna sit back and take it. Get a life! see my video response.
allisonforfornsed 11 months ago
what gets me is all the racism from the ultra spiritual natives who are here to set us white people strait! every culture has been enslaved or threatened with extermination at some point in time. people have tried to wipe the jews, and the celts, and many others out at one time or another, and all of these cultures had to rebuild and get over it! it is time to put the past to rest. not to forget it but to be freed from the spiritual prison it keeps people in! time to evolve and move on!
reverendloush 1 year ago
@reverendloush fuck off troll bitch
interstellarwonder 6 months ago
@interstellarwonder
well first off...no i won't but you feel free, and secondly the word bitch implies female which i am not! but thanks for the laughs and giving me so much power! that fact you felt the need to tell me to f-off and called me silly names means that something i said struck a nerve! which means on some level, that you know i am right and telling the truth! so thanks! blessings you lol!
reverendloush 6 months ago
@interstellarwonder
lol hahaha i just read your page! seriously white supremecy will be the cause of the next war in your opinion? lol that is so funny and stupid! oh and there is a God and he/she/it Loves you and cares a great deal! i hope you find happiness, you are so angry and sad! well misguided one, love, light, and blessings!
reverendloush 6 months ago
@reverendloush like i said fuck off troll bitch
interstellarwonder 6 months ago
well i underst