@eXeeeDs Just pods here. If you wish to see an unbeatable full payload display...watch BAE's display:
watch?v=Q4psRKtsy9c
4 GBU, 6 missiles and 3 tanks
Only the F-18 will do a full payload display. You won't see it from any other jet in the world because they will be exposed. This is a trong selling point for EF.
Is it bird? Is it a plane? No its Eurofagger less powerful than a model choo choo train,fast as a WW1 Biplane,able to fly 500 feet. Eurofagger a piece of shit with two wings that can't get out its own way. No stealth cuz there to cheap + don't have Yankee Know How & Ingenuity to build a real Fighter Plane. Pilots draw straws to see who flys and dies first. Eurofagger "The Fly + Die Plane" + Brits hope 3RD world nations will buy for a discount!
@navnig I greatly appreciate your explanation. It helps put my mind at ease a little. There are very few jets capable of challenging an F-22, and the majority of them are possessed by NATO. The one thing I'm a bit worried about is the Su-47, because I know very little of it. Either way, it would not be good to have NATO's enemies come in possession of F-22's.
The Su-47 is gonna be competition for the Eurofighter and the F35. The Pak-FA is going to be competition for the F-22. Funny how it was the Russians that came up with the radar stealth geometry...but they didn't invest in it til we did on the .
@Owninatlife I should explain a little. Nobody is going to buy it anyway because of the current GLOBAL financial crisis.
The only countries that could realisticly afford it would be China, Saudi Arabia and possibly Japan and there's no way that the US govt. would approve the sale of F-22's to China and Saudi Arabia.
@Owninatlife The Eurofighter is a far more sensible purchase, especially considering the financial crisis. The F-22 is only an air superiority fighter.
The Eurofighter Typhoon is a fighter-bomber.
To put it simply - to take the skies alone, you want an F-22. But to take a city, you want a Eurofighter.
@ryantika No it's being made exclusively in America, and funded mostly by America. To be honest though I'm not super proud of that fact because I've always though the F-35 was overpriced and underpowered, and I suspect that without it we might still be producing the F-22.
@4V14T10N ohh didn't know i had to have a reason, maybe im bias because I'm British. Your obviously trying to out whit me some how and will probably reply with some factual knowledge of your own intellectual capability. You asked in your opinion, I'm entitled to it.And just remember this all started with my first comment on the video which was an expression of my own view.Im not actually in to aviation and was just trying to be funny as the brits are usually known for not being first.
@rex2267 Japan will never buy EF I'm afriad mate. Japan is too closey tied with the US. Japan has never brought a non US jet and probably never will. The US can just apply diplomatic pressure to get Japan to buy old F-15's/F-16's.
@TheARMAProductions Actually Japan is currently in the process of making their own fifth generation fighter because the US refused to sell them the F-22.
@Userunvalid as soon as a dollar or pound note is printed, it is indebted to someone. The whole banking system trades DEBT, our governments trade in DEBT.
The Typhoon, being at once super-agile and just large enough for a reasonable load of missiles and 25mm ammunition, would be well suited for flying fighter sweep to clear the path for the older Tornadoes, which can outhaul them in terms of stores for the air support and interdiction missions.
"India has decided not to buy American F-16's or F/A-18's for the biggest defense tender in its history -- a pending $10 billion-plus contract for 126 multi-role combat aircraft. Following field trials, it has instead shortlisted the Rafale, made by France's Dassault, and the Typhoon, produced by a European consortium. "
spitfire of its day?no I don't so...this is a bomber/fighter and the spitfire was a pure fighter like the F-22 and thats why the F-22 would kill this EF in a dogfight!
The EF was designed as a pure air dominance fighter / interceptor. Adding multirole capability doesn't change that. While the F22 will have it's advantage in BVR fights, it lacks things like infrared tracking, high off-boresight missiles and a helmet mounted cueing system which are vital in a modern dogfight.
@MsBallbeater shame not one F-22 has flown in over 4 months.......all of them grounded yet again ......to win a dog fight first you have to be in the air!
@MsBallbeater That must be why two RAF Typhoons that participated in an exercise in the US defeated the F-22 in WVR combat & also achieved radar lock on the 'stealthy' F-22 in BVR combat. The USAF spat it's dummy out & cancelled the Ex on day 2. In addition, 2 USAF F-15's attempted to bounce a single EF over the Lake District, Cumbria three years ago- they lost the engagement very quickly. You are clearly another armchair expert who knows very little-you have an opinion & ZERO knowledge of facts
@MsBallbeater Ridiculous comment. The vast majority of fighter aircraft today are essentially fighter-bombers. What do you think the F-15 Strike Eagle is? Both F-16 & F-18's are dual role capable like Typhoon. The EF is designed primarily as a fighter. Stating that the F-22 would defeat the Typhoon simply because the latter has an air to ground capability is ridiculous. Within visual range, the Typhoon is more potent because it is more manouevrable than the F-22.
"f22s are grounded because of some oxygen system problem in the plane itself."
Not only that, but they're reportedly suffering "critical technical failures" on an average of every 2 hours in the air, their airframes are vulnerable to compromising stress fractures (many of them needed multimillion dollar repairs, only to have these stress fractures return later), and their radar absorbant materials are "vulnerable to the rain" and need 30+ hrs maintenance per hour spent in flight.
Given that there are a lot of concerns regarding the F22 and F35, looks like the eurofighter and Su-37 will be the definitive air supremacy aircraft into the 21st century.
@Mrscoobycoco but we didnt both create it. be proud of the Eurofighter even though you only contributed 38% of it thats 38% more than the f-35.
not saying you guys are dumb but 5th generation is not easy to make. as of right now only 3 countries in the world are capable of making them and thats Russia China and US
@konischev konischev i don't think you have heard of BAE REPLICA have you! so you had better make that 4 countries!!!!! sadly it never went past the prototype stage :)
@konischev Replica was a project by the UK to create an aircraft with advanced stealth characteristics as a part of the FOAS. Though the FOAS project was cancled, the results from that along with the HALO project were rolled into the JSF program.
Its also worth noting that the UK is contributing heavily towards the F-35. UK companies have manufacturing responsibilities for the aft fuselage, life support, engine components, EW systems and next gen armaments.
@konischev The Typhoon is in service now. F-35 isn't exactly making great headway towards that. It'll only enter IOC service in 2021 over here, by that point the Typhoon will have been in service for 18 years. Taranis will be close to introduction then... Looks like the 5th generation is the one to miss really.
@MrBertramPantyshield depends how you look at it...russia is launching pak-fa in 2015. along with 1 other stealth 5th generation fighter and a bomber. and USAF is developing another 5thgen fighter and bomber as well and they already got the f-22 in service. and on top of that the chinese j-20 should be coming to service in 2020. 5th generation is going to come its just a hard thing to develop.
@konischev The PAF FA first flew last year, I don't think it'll be introduced as early as 2015. It took the USAF over 8 years for the F-22, with a much larger industrial base and budget.
Regardless, none will be in sufficient number at an early enough time to make any noticeable impact. It's the final generation prop aircraft versus jet, impressive versus other props, but ultimately outclassed by jet fighters. The same will be true of 5th gen vs UCAV. No need for biological ballast.
@MrBertramPantyshield Ya but India is heavilly investing in Pak-FA as well so Russia is not alone and the plane is finished all they have left is the engines which are in final stages so 2015 is a good reality. And I honestly dont think 6th generation UCAV's are going to be operational untill 2035...none have been test flown all are in prototype stages and have a lot of work left to do. we will see at least 15-25 years of 5th generation technology
@konischev The project total cost for PAK-FA is $10 billion, Britain's contribution to the Eurofighter project is £37 billion alone; (including the purchase of 160 aircraft) around $60 billion.
1st generation UCAVs are to be operational by 2025. Taranis has an in service date of then, and that's a small, UK only, project. Granted Taranis won't be a fully fledged fighter, but it has an intercontinental range, and LO, able to carry storm shadow. So, again, what's to miss in 5 years of F-35?
@MrBertramPantyshield first off dont forget UK invested more money than anyone in the world in the f-35 so you guys obviously want 5th generation fighter for longer than just 5 years. and what a lot of people dont understand about russian jets is their always going to be the cheapest because when you count up total cost in Russia its cheaper for labor and supplies...where in the UK its way more expensive for both. Russia has very good jets thats why they sell more than anybody.
@MrBertramPantyshield also dont be so sure about Taranis like I said it has yet to test fly. right now its in experimental stage and ur that sure that its going to be out so soon? The american X-47 test flew around 2003 and is still not out today.truth is we will see a lot of 5th generation for the next 30-40 years.The world is not ready for unmanned combat planes. when they first come out for every county it will gave bugs when has humanity every released something 100% perfect the first time?
@konischev Labour and supplies are the lowest of the costs in a fighter development program. From the £37 billion figure, around 160 Typhoons will be bought for Britain, roughly £12.8bn on fighters, £24.2bn for R & D. By comparison Britain has put $2 billion dollars into F-35. That was mainly so BAE would get a slice of manufacturing (worth tens of billions to the Exchequer).
Russia sells cheap jets to anyone. That's why they proliferate. The US or EU are more discerning over who buys theirs.
@MrBertramPantyshield well i wouldnt call them cheap. over the years russian equipment proved to be some of the best around. Just research how many Mig-29's have been sold and how man air forces use them. Or look at how many Sukhoi Jets India has in its air force and their not cheap either. Russian Jets always have less cost but always are very competitive and battle ready...just look at their recent stuff like the SU-35 and the Mig-35 and the upcoming 5th gen pak-fa
@konischev Not cheap per se, but cheaper than the western equivalent. The single biggest producer of aircraft is the US. 24 Nations operate the F-16 alone. 1,600 MiG-29s were built. 4,450 F-16s have been built so far; 1,200 F-15s. A bit of a tangent, and a moot point, really.
The main reason I see the F-35 going ahead is industrial subsidy. All nations involved want to prop up fighter industries. If the $300 billion to be spent of F-35 was spent on UCAV R&D; then we'd be pushing boundaries.
@MrBertramPantyshield sorry to burst ur bubble but that 1600 mig 29's from wiki is very incorrect, the website their using for that info is not accurate there is way more in the world, Russia alone operates almost 600 and 42 countries have purchased them and 30 are still using them today and more are still ordering..and ya maybe we would be pushing boundires if the joint fighter program was for a UCAV instead of f-35 but like i said we cant just skip 5th generation and hop into 6th..
@konischev Can't we? Like I keep saying, Taranis will be in service in 2025, 5 years after F-35. This is a small project, by a private firm. If the US put even $60 billion into a similar project we could feasibly operate the aircraft by 2030-ish, the same time the UK will reach FOC with it's F-35s, and still in time for the USN's Super Hornets to be replaced.
The next-gen bomber programme is looking at a potentially unmanned aircraft, along with X-47 etc. The delays to JSF have put it in limbo.
@MrBertramPantyshield like i keep asking you what makes you so sure that taranis will be in service so soon? x-47 test flew in 2003 and is still not out. taranis has yet to make a test flight. what makes you think things will go 100% smoothly and it will meet its anticipated date? in the air craft industries stuff always gets pushed back(f-35 perfect example) especially with tech thats brand new to us...like i said 5th gen is here for 30-40 years then we will get the bugs out of UCAV's..
@konischev Because Taranis is a continued development of technology used on the BAE Mantis, with some LO thrown in for good measure. It's a small project really. The Mantis was designed to enter RAF service around 2014, but due to defence cuts the purchase was put back until 2017.
UCAVs aren't there yet, I know, but could conceivably have bridged the gap which opened up due to inherent problems developing manned fifth generation fighters. Bung it $50bn and see what happens.
@MrBertramPantyshield ok ur telling me taranis is a 2nd of its kind of a UCAV? uhh the US has built and successfully flew 6 diffrent UCAV's and guess what...all are still concepts except x-47 thats a prototype yet to enter serive for another 25 years probably. like i said i can guarantee you taranis will not be in service in 2025..for starters it already had its first set back. they were supposed to test fly taranis this year but it got pushed back to late next year..
@konischev No, not second of a kind, but a continued development of a drone which featured several of the autonomous technologies that will feature within it. Think Predator to Reaper.
You seem adamant that PAK FA will be in service in 2015, an aircraft which first flew in 2010, but a UCAV, first flight 2012, won't make it in service in 2025. The PAK FA also had a setback with the second prototype, with test flights delayed by ~6 months. Much like Taranis.
@MrBertramPantyshield yes however Pak-FA now has 4 planes flying and they unvelied this year at the MAKS air show ready for investors, the plane its self is done the engines just need to be complete which i heard are in last phases of prototype stages..and like I said Taranis is brand new tech, it will NOT and i repeat NOT in service by 2025. we cant skip 5th generation. if we could and Taranis is so bad ass why did you county invest such a massive amount of money into the F-35...?
@konischev Christ. For the final time: $2 billion dollars is a small amount of money invested in F-35, it amounts to 0.3% of British defence spending over the last 10 years; We're not skipping 5th generation, it's been around since Raptor, and a fifth generation fighter isn't leaps and bounds behind a LO UAV with already designed autonomy built in; PAK FA has four planes, so naturally it will be in service by 2015, whereas F-35 with 20 fighters, first flight 2006, won't be in service then. QED.
@MrBertramPantyshield f-35 is diffrent thought, Pak-FA will be in service by 2015 where IMO f-35 by MAYBE 2020...the reason is each country has its own variants....thats why they got over 20 out. on top of that f-35 is a bad project financially. originally it was supposed to be an advanced fighter that can do it all with 5th gen tech at 35% less cost than the f-22...well as of right now its about even with the f-35 and it keeps getting pushed back
@Mrscoobycoco lol ok now your folding and getting personal.i win here. you saying f-35 is british is like saying youtube is british. have a good day mate.
@Mrscoobycoco yes your hard core trolling because you admitted that this plane was based of the yak-141 i still have the messege...ONCE AGAIN THIS PLANE IS NOT BRITISH IS NOT YOUR IDEA YOUR NATION IS TOO FUCKEN MORONIC TO BUILD 5TH GENERATION FIGHTERS THATS WHY YOU NEED AMERICA AND YOU MONEY AND WE WILL BUILD YOU A 5TH GENERATION PLANE BASED OF THE YAK-141. and about the tornado i was reffering to the Panavia Tornado
@Mrscoobycoco omg what the fuck are you saying. The yak-141 is nor british its russian. it got turned into the x-35 which then turned into the f-35 thats why theres no british involvement bsides money...like I dont get this now are you just purposelyy trolling now??? what the fuck dude thats not even cool. i can pull up these facts from about 20 diffrent sites....show me just 1 of the BS your talking about
@Mrscoobycoco omg i cant belive i read that. your such a fucken idiot like where are you getting your facts from....seriously what the fuck are you this dumb. how many times must i explain to you this plane was built by lockheed martin developed from yak-141 and we needed money so you guys invested thats IT!!!!!!!!!!!! what the fuck dude now i feel sad because i now have a sense im talking to mentally retarded patient..
@Mrscoobycoco what did i copy and paste from Wiki show me this now. only thing i used from wiki is the Euroasia thing and thats because it was the first source in google(how many times must i say this) and thats the only thing i used wiki for.
and thats right you cant be a 4th grade drop out because you have yet to finish the 3rd grade
@Mrscoobycoco i get my source from many other places.....wiki was just for the continent thing..and at least i got sources you just blurt random shit. and your a bigger moron than i thought...the prototype Is WAYYYYY diffrent then the final stage production. because if that was the case we should just send UK the X-35 back in 2000 when it flew successfully.....i mean all that crap were putting into it now and beraly half way done with it is just "minor" tweaks right..dumb bitch...
@Mrscoobycoco your blurting facts you know nothing about...I know for a fact they have not been flying since the 80's the prototypes yes but not the same ones that went into production...where are you getting this info from may I ask...?
@Mrscoobycoco your dumb...its not when they go into prototype stage its when they start production dates thats when you count..because with that logic i can say that the f-22 raptor has been around since the late 80's and the f-35 has been around since the mid 90's............
@Mrscoobycoco i said the Order will be complete by 2017 meaning that more and more will be more and more every year...i think off the top of my head in the 4 months left this year their going to deliver 10 KA-52 and 25 MI-28's and no what I mean was their good helicopters because how you made it sound is they fall everyday...every piece of equipment out there has accidents...and apaches are here to stay past 2017. So far US has showed no signs of building a nex gen helicopter not even prototype
@Mrscoobycoco look up mi 24/25/35...those are the most battle tested helicopters in the world. and to this day still most deadly(fact) and Russia just signed their huge defense contract in June of this year so they will get WAY more KA-52's and MI-28's by 2017 and those 2 are extremely elite helicopters. and yes 1 accident. every county has accidents with their equipment. the way you made it sound is they fall out of the skies every day. still 2nd best SUCK IT!!!!!!!!
@Mrscoobycoco uhh the new russian helicpoters are the KA-52 and the MI-28's which are in current replacement and both were built after 2000 and the rest of their helicopters are the most reliable in the world thats why to this day their still selling a lot and their most battle proven and battle ready....even US marrines admit that going against russian helicpoters with their apaches would be a nightmare. and russia hasnt had any accidents with their helicopter so suck it. 2nd best...SUCK IT!
@Mrscoobycoco no i didnt praise shit. here i will make a statement you cant argue with because the euroasia thing is getting old and you wont let up because your have an iron head. RUSSIA HAS 2nd BEST AIR FORCE IN THE WORLD. argue with that bitch
@Mrscoobycoco lol i made this statement so many times and your the first person to have a problem with it...because your a moron. Russia is in Europe end of story.
@Mrscoobycoco shut the fuck up already god your fucking a moron who cant admit he is wrong. Russia is in Europe. this is a fact i dont get what your trying to argue here. the word EUROASIA obviously means its in both. fucken brit..
@Mrscoobycoco your twisting it around now....YOU said originally that Russia is not part of Europe and I said right after its part of 2 continents Now go sip tea with your fucked up teeth
@Mrscoobycoco lol using NOT jokes what is the the 60's? oh wait your from the UK.........
and ya your still stupid as fuck your ranting about something thats not that important. Russia is in Europe and Asia. They have best Air force in Europe...
@Mrscoobycoco your a moron now. why? because now your changing the subject because you know you already look stupid, oh and heads up its the internet who gives a fuck about spelling?
You know how I know your a moron? You said Russia is not part of Europe. If you take your finger on the map and move it around the European continent you will go over a huge part of Russia. goodbye retarded britt. find other things to argue about
@Mrscoobycoco no your still the fucken moron once again russia is only member of euroasia so how can you say your the best when your the only one...the other 2 britts acknowledge that fact that russia has best air force in europe your the only one that cant comprehend this fact because your too fucken stupid to understand about 60% of russia is in Europe...your a dumb bitch congrats
@Mrscoobycoco your an idiotic moron. Russia is the ONLY country in Euroasia because its the only country big enough to take up 2 continents.....so saying a stament like "Russia has best air force in Euroasia" is moronic because their the only member...so of course you have to say best in Europe because half the country is in Europe. And I was born in Russia, im Russian you fucking tea cup sipping bitch. Now your proving your the moron here...god your fucking stupid
During World War II, USAAF became world's most powerful air force. In 1939, with 20,000 men and 2,400 planes, to autonomous AAF of 1944, with 2.4 million personnel and 80,000 aircraft. WW2 America fought two wars Europe and the Pacific and without one doubt saved the world and Little Britain by defeating Hilters Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire. Without one doubt American power stopped Stalin from invading Europe and defeated Russian in the Cold War. Have a nice day!
@LottoWinner999 Britain made you. This is fact, and you will just have to live with it. Britain made you, and France helped you become independent.
I suppose you believe god created the USA haha
No, Britain made you. Britain. Made. You. A tiny nation in the North Atlantic MADE you. We made a lot of other places too, but most of them are proud of this, not in denial like you. I mean your flag is still the same design as the one we made for you, how come you didnt make a new one?
@gnark1ll1us U have it all wrong! The people the left Britain, Europe, Asia and all other countries were disgusted with your ruling emperors, kings, queens, dictators despots and their churches who murdered, invaded, enslaved, subjugated people of all nations and faiths. Unlike them and you were not perfect but were there best and we improve and if were not for America you asholes would be at war. In the USA no body make because we choose our way and lives versus Europes mold of inbred insanity!
@TacticalHub London is the New Mecca for worlds Muslim Population of 8 Pakis for every Brit wbi don't thing to much about reproducing. London has 1000 Mosques, every week theres a new one. I have definitely taken London off my flight planning 20 years ago as my protest for Britaisn illegal occupation of N. Irleland and previous war crimes against the Irish people. British history will teach that Britain crimes against humanity in Ireland ranked just as bad if not worse than in Nazi Germany.
@LottoWinner999 Meanwhile back in reality.......the US is being swamped by illegal immigrants from Mexico. Muslim US army majors are shooting their GI's in their own barracks, your economy is a disaster area- the US has a debt measured in trillions of dollars. Your space programme is effectively dead in the water- no more shuttle flights & NOTHING in the pipeline. Now you are reliant on the Russians for space flight & China is breathing down your neck & will eclipse your GDP within 15 years ROFL
@LottoWinner999 Oh my fucking word!!!! I just logged into this account after months of using a different account and you are STILL on this video leaving comments....... HAHAHAHAHHAAHAAH now I just feel sad for you!
@LottoWinner999 And you really want to talk about crimes against humanity? You come from the USA mate. You are no different to Soviet russia in that regard. Look up "Unethical human experimentation in the US" on wikipedia and you will see a list of attrocities that outstrip those of even soviet russia or nazi germany. You are just a brainwashed poor little shrimp.... Lotto winner paaahhahhaaa
@TacticalHub England is the land of torture just look what they did to William Wallace! Britian establsihed slavery and apartheid in USA. We fought the American Civil War to bring to end slavery. Its was Brits who gave Native Americans blankets with small pox plus and established scalping. It took America 200 years to remove British infections of Slavery & Genocide from American Society. Americas not perfect but were the best there is + I hate ungrateful Brits cuz we saved you ass in WW1 & WW2.
@LottoWinner999 bullshit.. ww1 we handled our slefs just fine. in ww2 we were doing fine... but ill admit with out your help we would have been screwed in the end. anyway the US wasnt in the war from the start..
but US ships were being sunk buy the germans before tey evan enterd the war. that only stoped until you abdopted british tatics... and the royal navy stoped the atlantic slave trade.. because they controlled the seas they stoped slave ships traveling that were built in america.
@harrybyles1996 It was British who established slavery and in India on Brtitish Plantation U enslaved Indians to grow opium while they worked for practically nothing. You Brits forced China to accept Opium and addicted 1/3 of Chinas population to opium. When Chinese refused to let opium in you invaded them and forced the governement to give U Honk Kong and other Chinese lands. Were ever you Brits go you invaded, murdered and looted. Your war crimes in Ireland are just as bad as the Nazis, UYs!
@LottoWinner999 You will find slavery was never the central issue in that war, and it was in fact an Englishman by the name of William Wilburforce who was the driving force behind its abolition.
Britain banned it long before it was banned in the colonies, colonies like the USA. Thats right, your country didnt just appear, we made you. I know you hate that idea but its true. so unlucky. Once a colony, always a colony. Oh and to add insult to injury, it was the French that made it possible.
@gnark1ll1us A devastated China surrendered. Under the Nanking Treaty, China agreed to pay £6,000,000 for destroyed opium and cede Hong Kong to Britain. This infuriated Lord Palmerston, who complained 6 million did not cover the cost of the destroyed opium. The Times ridiculed this claim, arguing that Britain owed China compensation for “pillaging her towns and slaughtering her citizens in a quarrel which would never have arisen if we had not been guilty of an international crime.”
@LottoWinner999 Did you watch Braveheart? lol. That was 1305 over 100 years before americans would be eradicating the native population of the americas. And your country performed disgusting experiments on babies, young children and black people up until the mid 20th century. They gave black people radiation poisoning in the 1960s. In the early 1900s you were infecting little girls with syphilis and in 1932 to 1972 black people were experimented on with syphilis. Nothing like that was done in UK
Who else is fed up of this old twat doing amazing stuff on BBC at our expense?
He never says anything interesting, just lots of 'amazing' 'wow' 'awesome' 'best thing ever'. They may as well put in a 17 year old girlband member for all the insight James May provides.
Brtian would be better if they could develop more planes like this. All they got is this and the shitty Tornado. It makes them good but limited air force...russia has best in eruope for that matter
@konischev Russian jets are not what they once were. They are crashing allot due to engine troubles and the SU-35, along with the F-16 and F-18 were defeated out of the Indian MMRCA deal earlier this year by the Eurofighter and Rafale. By the time jets like the Pak -50/J-20 are in Service....UK/USA/Western Europe will have unmanned 6th gen jets such as Taranis crossing continents:
watch?v=eITS4R11kGY
At the moment there's only 1 Pak -50 and J-20 test jet. EF is whooping ass as I type....
@TheARMAProductions Their not crashing a lot theres been like 4 accidents this year big deal thats not a lot for a military jet the US has the most....and in some red flags exercises against IAF pilots and RAF pilots the SU-30's took out the EF's and the RAF pilots admitted they were amazed by the SU-30...and LMAO there is 4 PAk-FA jets out there. and Europe cant even develop their own 5th gen jet how the fuck are they going to make a 6th gen hahahah!???
@konischev That's 4 accidents I was unaware of lol but it's been going on for years now. Forget those old red flag tests. They were when the T1 block EF had shitty CAPTOR radar. We are now in the year 2011 with EF getting AESA Ceasar radar and 3D TVN engines with 10-15% more power. Why do u think India has chosen the more expensive EF over all the teens and Russian jets? I doubt it's because the cheaper jets were better. You can deny it all ya want, here it is again :)
@TheARMAProductions ya and back then i forgot what systems the Russian Su-30 was using but the radar systems were disables for that exercsise or some shit like that so trust me it was even on both sides. and the reason India is going with the EF is because they want diversity in their air force. they already got over 400+ Suikhoi fighters and a bunch of their own variants...and in 2015 their going to get 600 PAk-FA's from Russia, their first official 5th generation fighter
@konisch Seriously, India, China, Brazil & Russia do not have a single high quality brand such as Microsoft/Rolls Royce between them. How do u think they are going to compete with the UK who is the worlds 2nd largest arms producer with BAE systems being the worlds largest arms company? Rolls Royce alone owns 40% of the commercial jet engine industry. These countries can't even develop cars!
w w w . guardian . co . uk /business/2010/apr/12/bae-systems-weapons-arms-manufacturers
@TheARMAProductions Lol you talking car brands??? so does that mean that Japan is best in the world because if their automotive industry? LOL dude Russia is the biggest weapons exporter in the world. and their not competeting with the UK their already beating them...Russia makes 100% of their own equipment unlike UK who turns for help to everyone to make theirs...run along brit and go patiently wait for US to build your f-35 while we build OUR OWN 5th gen Pak-FA HAHA!
@konischev If the Japs put their mind to developing weapons then yes...they'd be up there but they are still under certain restrictions linked to WW2 I believe. Same deal with the Germans so they prefer to buy US kit. Russia is buying French kit such as helicopter carriers and is even looking to buy stuff from the USA because their kit is shite lulz.
watch?v=LMeL-UBSS8A
This source is From Russia Today matey lmao. Russia has to come to the West to buy weapons these days...
@TheARMAProductions Russia so far bought 2....2 freaking helicopter carriers. Thats IT!! and that report is old. figure wise its wrong the actuall deal that got signed in June was 2011-2020 worth 730 billion dollars..thats 20 million dollars a day and the contracts have all been signed where they money is going. only foreign stuff on their was the French Minstral class carrier....like i said they still make and export way more than anybody. and japan cant develop shit its all US tech
@konischev That's not the point. U just said that "Russia makes 100% of their own equipment". As that vid shows, Russia is looking to buy US kit and has already brought French stuff. U are part correct because allot of our projects are co developed with NATO allies but this is why we have quality over quantity. Keep in mind that Russia needs Indian money for PAK-50. I never meant to bash Russia actually. I am just educating you as to what the situation is. Russia is no longer the USSR my friend
@TheARMAProductions The French mistral class thing was the first time this happened..so ya they make 99% of their own stuff. and like i said the contracts have been inked. their not buying US stuff, it was all speculation and unconfirmed resources. and dude..like I said Russia just signed a deal thats 730 billion over 9 years for JUST their defense, thats a lot...their doing very well and have a lot of nex gen projects in the works. and yes they got INdia to join in making a 5th gen is expensive
@konischev I know the Mistrel class was the first time Russia has approached other nations to buy kit but this is the situation they are in. As that RT report sais, Russia needs to modernize it's military. You either do that by buying or developing and it will take years to catch up the West. 730 billion is stupid with a GDP less than the UK's lol and that level of defence spending is what led the USSR to collapse in the late 80's after being forced into an arms race.
@TheARMAProductions and trust me their doing fine. the reason they turned to the mintral because navy is their biggest weakness...right now they have to tear down all their shipyards and rebuild new ones so you have to understand why they jumped the gun to stay top notch in navy. and catch up? lol dude right now we got the Pak-FA almost ready to come out, the Pak-DA in works a 5th gen stratigic stealth bomber and the mikoyan LMFS a 5th gen mig and the mig skat a 6th gen UAV..were good
@konischev Take that recent BP deal with that Russian oil company. Russia had to appraoch British Petroleum because they don't have the technology/experience to drill in the arctic conditions and they admit it. Russia's economy is 90% dependent upon energy esports to the EU. If we canx that, Russia would loose 90% of it's GDP more or less over night.
"BAE Systems' 2008 arms sales alone were larger than the gross domestic product of 100 countries"
@TheARMAProductions lol dude UK and USA are NOT running the show.....USA right now doesnt have money to keep their planes in the air and their ships sailing. they admited their going to have to take drastic budget cuts. they said more than 55% of their ships out in the world are in desperate need of repair..and UK is not even a threat. all they do is turn to others for help for everything including tech and war. and yes russia epxorts gas and oil to almost all of europe. its good money so what?
@konischev Just look at the epic jokes when Russia tried to invade UK airspace a few years back. They flew the prop powered 1960's Bear into our country.
watch?v=D9FqA9Rtuk0
It was like something out of the dinosaur era! Very comical to watch
@TheARMAProductions your dumb dude. they went invading anyones air space all they did was revive their stratigic bomber force(something UK does not have) and was flying missions. yes those are old their going to get replaces by the PAK-Da...and also in time for war Russia would use its supersonic strategic bomber the Tu-160..and the US does the same the still use the B-52 which was build in 1952....................
@konischev We don't need strategic bombers mate. The UK has SSBN's (underwater stealth armageddon machines) that carry thermo nuclear warheads and we have a complete sonar system surrounding Western Europe. Now come on....flying near UK airspace is eactly that lol. They got turned around by Tornados. They have done it to Canada as well. Believe...if Russia tried to send their jets over to the UK they would be blown out of the sky. they'd have to use their strategic missiles as their Navy is weak
@TheARMAProductions and if you know your defense you should know Russia has a very elite stratigic missle force and defnse. and Russia also went into Alaska and Japan air space like I said their just doing long range exercises. and no shit it would get blown out of the sky...its a plane from the 50's you could send a p-51 up to shoot it down. and like i said if russia really wanted to scare someone they would use their tu-160 but they wernt trying to scare anyone its just long range exercises
Did I hear garmin gps? After 200 meters turn left? wtf
kokosz33 1 week ago
Is it armed or are this just pods?
eXeeeDs 2 weeks ago
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@eXeeeDs Just pods here. If you wish to see an unbeatable full payload display...watch BAE's display:
watch?v=Q4psRKtsy9c
4 GBU, 6 missiles and 3 tanks
Only the F-18 will do a full payload display. You won't see it from any other jet in the world because they will be exposed. This is a trong selling point for EF.
TheARMAProductions 1 week ago
omfg fair play to these guys , they earn 10% of what they are worth , "Hero's of our nation "
freeky909 2 weeks ago
The U-2 flight was more impressive imho.
akburst510 2 weeks ago
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SUPER-EUROFAGGER-SUCKS-DICK
Is it bird? Is it a plane? No its Eurofagger less powerful than a model choo choo train,fast as a WW1 Biplane,able to fly 500 feet. Eurofagger a piece of shit with two wings that can't get out its own way. No stealth cuz there to cheap + don't have Yankee Know How & Ingenuity to build a real Fighter Plane. Pilots draw straws to see who flys and dies first. Eurofagger "The Fly + Die Plane" + Brits hope 3RD world nations will buy for a discount!
LottoWinner999 2 weeks ago
...Why is 'bloody hell' censored?
Triplewave4 3 weeks ago
@rex2267
if you sell it all over the earth it will be useless for germany ;)
P.S. the same with leopard 2 and other german perfectly designed projects
mymrmaster5556 3 weeks ago
climbs like a bf109 and turns like spitfire
motormonkeyNL 1 month ago
@navnig I greatly appreciate your explanation. It helps put my mind at ease a little. There are very few jets capable of challenging an F-22, and the majority of them are possessed by NATO. The one thing I'm a bit worried about is the Su-47, because I know very little of it. Either way, it would not be good to have NATO's enemies come in possession of F-22's.
Owninatlife 1 month ago
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The Su-47 is gonna be competition for the Eurofighter and the F35. The Pak-FA is going to be competition for the F-22. Funny how it was the Russians that came up with the radar stealth geometry...but they didn't invest in it til we did on the .
akburst510 2 weeks ago
James May, the luckiest man alive...Maxed out a Veyron, flown at 80,000 feet in a U-2 and now he's done this....The jammy old git.
navnig 1 month ago 2
All I can say is: WHATEVER YOU DO, LOCKHEED, DO NOT SELL THE F-22 TO OTHER COUNTRIES! 150 MIL MIGHT SOUND NICE BUT IT'S NOT WORTH IT!
Owninatlife 1 month ago
@Owninatlife nobody would buy it.
navnig 1 month ago
@Owninatlife I should explain a little. Nobody is going to buy it anyway because of the current GLOBAL financial crisis.
The only countries that could realisticly afford it would be China, Saudi Arabia and possibly Japan and there's no way that the US govt. would approve the sale of F-22's to China and Saudi Arabia.
navnig 1 month ago
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@Owninatlife The Eurofighter is a far more sensible purchase, especially considering the financial crisis. The F-22 is only an air superiority fighter.
The Eurofighter Typhoon is a fighter-bomber.
To put it simply - to take the skies alone, you want an F-22. But to take a city, you want a Eurofighter.
BasilFawlty4444 4 days ago
Meine oma mit rollstuhl ist schneller in der luft als der Euro Fighter !
TheNeedbackup 1 month ago
@TheNeedbackup Boah, echt? Du bist ja ein richtig toller Kerl, mit so einer Oma. Kannst stolz sein, Jungchen!
Jetzt geh aber spielen, du störst hier.
rodelaax 3 weeks ago
@rodelaax
???
TheNeedbackup 3 weeks ago
0:09 Was labbasch doooo??
CkMaveri 1 month ago
@rex2267 Japan go to the F-35.
Its their loose :)
lintu25 1 month ago
rip james may.
pointlessin 1 month ago
@rex2267 Nah Japan prefers our F-35 to this old thing :P
thekkl 1 month ago
@thekkl By our who do you mean? The US because the F-35 is being made by lots of different countries including the UK
ryantika 1 month ago
@ryantika No it's being made exclusively in America, and funded mostly by America. To be honest though I'm not super proud of that fact because I've always though the F-35 was overpriced and underpowered, and I suspect that without it we might still be producing the F-22.
thekkl 1 month ago
@thekkl Yeah its being made in the US but the UK and other countries are helping to build it and are funding some of it.
ryantika 1 month ago
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Japan will buy the F-35. Well..... their loss in the long term.
mr9396 1 month ago
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at least were leading the field in something :)
stompman101 2 months ago
@stompman101
Excuse me who is leading the aviation industry in your opinion?
4V14T10N 1 month ago
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@4V14T10N BRITS ALL THE WAY!!!!
stompman101 1 month ago
@stompman101
And how exactly are "brits" leading aviation can u give me an example please?
4V14T10N 1 month ago
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@4V14T10N ohh didn't know i had to have a reason, maybe im bias because I'm British. Your obviously trying to out whit me some how and will probably reply with some factual knowledge of your own intellectual capability. You asked in your opinion, I'm entitled to it.And just remember this all started with my first comment on the video which was an expression of my own view.Im not actually in to aviation and was just trying to be funny as the brits are usually known for not being first.
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@rex2267 Japan will never buy EF I'm afriad mate. Japan is too closey tied with the US. Japan has never brought a non US jet and probably never will. The US can just apply diplomatic pressure to get Japan to buy old F-15's/F-16's.
TheARMAProductions 2 months ago
@TheARMAProductions Actually Japan is currently in the process of making their own fifth generation fighter because the US refused to sell them the F-22.
thekkl 1 month ago
Bit annoying that licence payers money going on that twerp having a jolly...Sick!
JoeSoap68 2 months ago
Captain slow?
rolfen 3 months ago
@rolfen captain not-so-slow now
fyrep0w3r 2 months ago
lucky lucky lucky mf, one of the things to do before you die!
benjesolems 3 months ago
Euro Fighter = European Pride!!!
900Innsmouth 4 months ago
A nice plane, but also a real white elephant given how completely bankrupt and indebted our country is.
PseudoApollodorus 4 months ago
@PseudoApollodorus debt makes the world go round. no debt = no economy
Userunvalid 3 months ago
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MrBRL 3 months ago
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@Userunvalid Trade makes the world go round, not debt...what are you Jewish?
conspiracytheory1066 3 months ago
@Userunvalid as soon as a dollar or pound note is printed, it is indebted to someone. The whole banking system trades DEBT, our governments trade in DEBT.
Userunvalid 3 months ago
@PAMcomedyclips RAF don't accept people who've had laser eye surgery
mitsterful 4 months ago
@mitsterful I guess the people to ask then are the RAF recruiting office then and good luck...
PAMComedyClips 4 months ago
Anyone know accurate up to date vision requirements for the RAF that are absolutely certain, only I wanna be a pilot but I wear glasses
mitsterful 4 months ago
@mitsterful Could you have laser eye surgery? That could be the answer...
PAMComedyClips 4 months ago
Damn, i wish i could be James sometimes...
deshuks 4 months ago
@1987Arihant Is this for definate? I thought it was still very close between the Typhoon and the Rafale in the MMRCA?
aspiringdrummer17 4 months ago
The Typhoon, being at once super-agile and just large enough for a reasonable load of missiles and 25mm ammunition, would be well suited for flying fighter sweep to clear the path for the older Tornadoes, which can outhaul them in terms of stores for the air support and interdiction missions.
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magnusalexa 4 months ago
"India has decided not to buy American F-16's or F/A-18's for the biggest defense tender in its history -- a pending $10 billion-plus contract for 126 multi-role combat aircraft. Following field trials, it has instead shortlisted the Rafale, made by France's Dassault, and the Typhoon, produced by a European consortium. "
proferrando 4 months ago
@proferrando
Rafale is a low level in face of the Eurofighter Typhoon.
Miauriceful 4 months ago
spitfire of its day?no I don't so...this is a bomber/fighter and the spitfire was a pure fighter like the F-22 and thats why the F-22 would kill this EF in a dogfight!
MsBallbeater 4 months ago
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@MsBallbeater
The EF was designed as a pure air dominance fighter / interceptor. Adding multirole capability doesn't change that. While the F22 will have it's advantage in BVR fights, it lacks things like infrared tracking, high off-boresight missiles and a helmet mounted cueing system which are vital in a modern dogfight.
blablubb12345 4 months ago
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@MsBallbeater shame not one F-22 has flown in over 4 months.......all of them grounded yet again ......to win a dog fight first you have to be in the air!
1MrTurd 4 months ago
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@MsBallbeater That must be why two RAF Typhoons that participated in an exercise in the US defeated the F-22 in WVR combat & also achieved radar lock on the 'stealthy' F-22 in BVR combat. The USAF spat it's dummy out & cancelled the Ex on day 2. In addition, 2 USAF F-15's attempted to bounce a single EF over the Lake District, Cumbria three years ago- they lost the engagement very quickly. You are clearly another armchair expert who knows very little-you have an opinion & ZERO knowledge of facts
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 4 months ago
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@MsBallbeater Ridiculous comment. The vast majority of fighter aircraft today are essentially fighter-bombers. What do you think the F-15 Strike Eagle is? Both F-16 & F-18's are dual role capable like Typhoon. The EF is designed primarily as a fighter. Stating that the F-22 would defeat the Typhoon simply because the latter has an air to ground capability is ridiculous. Within visual range, the Typhoon is more potent because it is more manouevrable than the F-22.
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 1 week ago
This thing will destroy the f-35. Oh crap,Canada is getting the f-35.Thanks Harper.
t5239857289578947594 5 months ago
@t5239857289578947594 And Peter McKay.
MikeNoran 5 months ago
@t5239857289578947594 Really? Do some research.
iceagescrat1 5 months ago
german, italian, spanish and a GreatBritain project =)
SpiderpigDE 5 months ago 17
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@SpiderpigDE United Kingdom is much better :)
rashdin 1 week ago
james is like " best thing ever wooooo" and the pilots like " yup just another day"
totopoo123 5 months ago
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@brelan001
"f22s are grounded because of some oxygen system problem in the plane itself."
Not only that, but they're reportedly suffering "critical technical failures" on an average of every 2 hours in the air, their airframes are vulnerable to compromising stress fractures (many of them needed multimillion dollar repairs, only to have these stress fractures return later), and their radar absorbant materials are "vulnerable to the rain" and need 30+ hrs maintenance per hour spent in flight.
JCrownwell 5 months ago
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Given that there are a lot of concerns regarding the F22 and F35, looks like the eurofighter and Su-37 will be the definitive air supremacy aircraft into the 21st century.
JCrownwell 5 months ago
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konischev I don't think you have heard of the BAE replica have you? so you had better make that 4 countries :)
MegaBettyboop63 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco but we didnt both create it. be proud of the Eurofighter even though you only contributed 38% of it thats 38% more than the f-35.
not saying you guys are dumb but 5th generation is not easy to make. as of right now only 3 countries in the world are capable of making them and thats Russia China and US
konischev 5 months ago
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MegaBettyboop63 5 months ago
@konischev konischev i don't think you have heard of BAE REPLICA have you! so you had better make that 4 countries!!!!! sadly it never went past the prototype stage :)
THEROARINGRHINO 5 months ago
@THEROARINGRHINO i have not enlighten me
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev Replica was a project by the UK to create an aircraft with advanced stealth characteristics as a part of the FOAS. Though the FOAS project was cancled, the results from that along with the HALO project were rolled into the JSF program.
Its also worth noting that the UK is contributing heavily towards the F-35. UK companies have manufacturing responsibilities for the aft fuselage, life support, engine components, EW systems and next gen armaments.
Melanth89 5 months ago
@konischev The Typhoon is in service now. F-35 isn't exactly making great headway towards that. It'll only enter IOC service in 2021 over here, by that point the Typhoon will have been in service for 18 years. Taranis will be close to introduction then... Looks like the 5th generation is the one to miss really.
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield depends how you look at it...russia is launching pak-fa in 2015. along with 1 other stealth 5th generation fighter and a bomber. and USAF is developing another 5thgen fighter and bomber as well and they already got the f-22 in service. and on top of that the chinese j-20 should be coming to service in 2020. 5th generation is going to come its just a hard thing to develop.
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev The PAF FA first flew last year, I don't think it'll be introduced as early as 2015. It took the USAF over 8 years for the F-22, with a much larger industrial base and budget.
Regardless, none will be in sufficient number at an early enough time to make any noticeable impact. It's the final generation prop aircraft versus jet, impressive versus other props, but ultimately outclassed by jet fighters. The same will be true of 5th gen vs UCAV. No need for biological ballast.
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield Ya but India is heavilly investing in Pak-FA as well so Russia is not alone and the plane is finished all they have left is the engines which are in final stages so 2015 is a good reality. And I honestly dont think 6th generation UCAV's are going to be operational untill 2035...none have been test flown all are in prototype stages and have a lot of work left to do. we will see at least 15-25 years of 5th generation technology
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev The project total cost for PAK-FA is $10 billion, Britain's contribution to the Eurofighter project is £37 billion alone; (including the purchase of 160 aircraft) around $60 billion.
1st generation UCAVs are to be operational by 2025. Taranis has an in service date of then, and that's a small, UK only, project. Granted Taranis won't be a fully fledged fighter, but it has an intercontinental range, and LO, able to carry storm shadow. So, again, what's to miss in 5 years of F-35?
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield first off dont forget UK invested more money than anyone in the world in the f-35 so you guys obviously want 5th generation fighter for longer than just 5 years. and what a lot of people dont understand about russian jets is their always going to be the cheapest because when you count up total cost in Russia its cheaper for labor and supplies...where in the UK its way more expensive for both. Russia has very good jets thats why they sell more than anybody.
konischev 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield also dont be so sure about Taranis like I said it has yet to test fly. right now its in experimental stage and ur that sure that its going to be out so soon? The american X-47 test flew around 2003 and is still not out today.truth is we will see a lot of 5th generation for the next 30-40 years.The world is not ready for unmanned combat planes. when they first come out for every county it will gave bugs when has humanity every released something 100% perfect the first time?
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev Labour and supplies are the lowest of the costs in a fighter development program. From the £37 billion figure, around 160 Typhoons will be bought for Britain, roughly £12.8bn on fighters, £24.2bn for R & D. By comparison Britain has put $2 billion dollars into F-35. That was mainly so BAE would get a slice of manufacturing (worth tens of billions to the Exchequer).
Russia sells cheap jets to anyone. That's why they proliferate. The US or EU are more discerning over who buys theirs.
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield well i wouldnt call them cheap. over the years russian equipment proved to be some of the best around. Just research how many Mig-29's have been sold and how man air forces use them. Or look at how many Sukhoi Jets India has in its air force and their not cheap either. Russian Jets always have less cost but always are very competitive and battle ready...just look at their recent stuff like the SU-35 and the Mig-35 and the upcoming 5th gen pak-fa
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev Not cheap per se, but cheaper than the western equivalent. The single biggest producer of aircraft is the US. 24 Nations operate the F-16 alone. 1,600 MiG-29s were built. 4,450 F-16s have been built so far; 1,200 F-15s. A bit of a tangent, and a moot point, really.
The main reason I see the F-35 going ahead is industrial subsidy. All nations involved want to prop up fighter industries. If the $300 billion to be spent of F-35 was spent on UCAV R&D; then we'd be pushing boundaries.
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield sorry to burst ur bubble but that 1600 mig 29's from wiki is very incorrect, the website their using for that info is not accurate there is way more in the world, Russia alone operates almost 600 and 42 countries have purchased them and 30 are still using them today and more are still ordering..and ya maybe we would be pushing boundires if the joint fighter program was for a UCAV instead of f-35 but like i said we cant just skip 5th generation and hop into 6th..
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev Can't we? Like I keep saying, Taranis will be in service in 2025, 5 years after F-35. This is a small project, by a private firm. If the US put even $60 billion into a similar project we could feasibly operate the aircraft by 2030-ish, the same time the UK will reach FOC with it's F-35s, and still in time for the USN's Super Hornets to be replaced.
The next-gen bomber programme is looking at a potentially unmanned aircraft, along with X-47 etc. The delays to JSF have put it in limbo.
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield like i keep asking you what makes you so sure that taranis will be in service so soon? x-47 test flew in 2003 and is still not out. taranis has yet to make a test flight. what makes you think things will go 100% smoothly and it will meet its anticipated date? in the air craft industries stuff always gets pushed back(f-35 perfect example) especially with tech thats brand new to us...like i said 5th gen is here for 30-40 years then we will get the bugs out of UCAV's..
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev Because Taranis is a continued development of technology used on the BAE Mantis, with some LO thrown in for good measure. It's a small project really. The Mantis was designed to enter RAF service around 2014, but due to defence cuts the purchase was put back until 2017.
UCAVs aren't there yet, I know, but could conceivably have bridged the gap which opened up due to inherent problems developing manned fifth generation fighters. Bung it $50bn and see what happens.
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield ok ur telling me taranis is a 2nd of its kind of a UCAV? uhh the US has built and successfully flew 6 diffrent UCAV's and guess what...all are still concepts except x-47 thats a prototype yet to enter serive for another 25 years probably. like i said i can guarantee you taranis will not be in service in 2025..for starters it already had its first set back. they were supposed to test fly taranis this year but it got pushed back to late next year..
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev No, not second of a kind, but a continued development of a drone which featured several of the autonomous technologies that will feature within it. Think Predator to Reaper.
You seem adamant that PAK FA will be in service in 2015, an aircraft which first flew in 2010, but a UCAV, first flight 2012, won't make it in service in 2025. The PAK FA also had a setback with the second prototype, with test flights delayed by ~6 months. Much like Taranis.
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
@MrBertramPantyshield yes however Pak-FA now has 4 planes flying and they unvelied this year at the MAKS air show ready for investors, the plane its self is done the engines just need to be complete which i heard are in last phases of prototype stages..and like I said Taranis is brand new tech, it will NOT and i repeat NOT in service by 2025. we cant skip 5th generation. if we could and Taranis is so bad ass why did you county invest such a massive amount of money into the F-35...?
konischev 5 months ago
@konischev Christ. For the final time: $2 billion dollars is a small amount of money invested in F-35, it amounts to 0.3% of British defence spending over the last 10 years; We're not skipping 5th generation, it's been around since Raptor, and a fifth generation fighter isn't leaps and bounds behind a LO UAV with already designed autonomy built in; PAK FA has four planes, so naturally it will be in service by 2015, whereas F-35 with 20 fighters, first flight 2006, won't be in service then. QED.
MrBertramPantyshield 5 months ago
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@MrBertramPantyshield f-35 is diffrent thought, Pak-FA will be in service by 2015 where IMO f-35 by MAYBE 2020...the reason is each country has its own variants....thats why they got over 20 out. on top of that f-35 is a bad project financially. originally it was supposed to be an advanced fighter that can do it all with 5th gen tech at 35% less cost than the f-22...well as of right now its about even with the f-35 and it keeps getting pushed back
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco lol ok now your folding and getting personal.i win here. you saying f-35 is british is like saying youtube is british. have a good day mate.
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco J-20............ can you not see right? put on your harry potter glasses
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco ya the f-35 is British...and so is the J-20
/sracsm off
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco yes your hard core trolling because you admitted that this plane was based of the yak-141 i still have the messege...ONCE AGAIN THIS PLANE IS NOT BRITISH IS NOT YOUR IDEA YOUR NATION IS TOO FUCKEN MORONIC TO BUILD 5TH GENERATION FIGHTERS THATS WHY YOU NEED AMERICA AND YOU MONEY AND WE WILL BUILD YOU A 5TH GENERATION PLANE BASED OF THE YAK-141. and about the tornado i was reffering to the Panavia Tornado
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco omg what the fuck are you saying. The yak-141 is nor british its russian. it got turned into the x-35 which then turned into the f-35 thats why theres no british involvement bsides money...like I dont get this now are you just purposelyy trolling now??? what the fuck dude thats not even cool. i can pull up these facts from about 20 diffrent sites....show me just 1 of the BS your talking about
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco omg i cant belive i read that. your such a fucken idiot like where are you getting your facts from....seriously what the fuck are you this dumb. how many times must i explain to you this plane was built by lockheed martin developed from yak-141 and we needed money so you guys invested thats IT!!!!!!!!!!!! what the fuck dude now i feel sad because i now have a sense im talking to mentally retarded patient..
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco uk owns nothing. like i said if f-35 was yours it would be in your factories which its not. case closed
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco what did i copy and paste from Wiki show me this now. only thing i used from wiki is the Euroasia thing and thats because it was the first source in google(how many times must i say this) and thats the only thing i used wiki for.
and thats right you cant be a 4th grade drop out because you have yet to finish the 3rd grade
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco i get my source from many other places.....wiki was just for the continent thing..and at least i got sources you just blurt random shit. and your a bigger moron than i thought...the prototype Is WAYYYYY diffrent then the final stage production. because if that was the case we should just send UK the X-35 back in 2000 when it flew successfully.....i mean all that crap were putting into it now and beraly half way done with it is just "minor" tweaks right..dumb bitch...
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco your blurting facts you know nothing about...I know for a fact they have not been flying since the 80's the prototypes yes but not the same ones that went into production...where are you getting this info from may I ask...?
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco your dumb...its not when they go into prototype stage its when they start production dates thats when you count..because with that logic i can say that the f-22 raptor has been around since the late 80's and the f-35 has been around since the mid 90's............
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco i said the Order will be complete by 2017 meaning that more and more will be more and more every year...i think off the top of my head in the 4 months left this year their going to deliver 10 KA-52 and 25 MI-28's and no what I mean was their good helicopters because how you made it sound is they fall everyday...every piece of equipment out there has accidents...and apaches are here to stay past 2017. So far US has showed no signs of building a nex gen helicopter not even prototype
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco look up mi 24/25/35...those are the most battle tested helicopters in the world. and to this day still most deadly(fact) and Russia just signed their huge defense contract in June of this year so they will get WAY more KA-52's and MI-28's by 2017 and those 2 are extremely elite helicopters. and yes 1 accident. every county has accidents with their equipment. the way you made it sound is they fall out of the skies every day. still 2nd best SUCK IT!!!!!!!!
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco uhh the new russian helicpoters are the KA-52 and the MI-28's which are in current replacement and both were built after 2000 and the rest of their helicopters are the most reliable in the world thats why to this day their still selling a lot and their most battle proven and battle ready....even US marrines admit that going against russian helicpoters with their apaches would be a nightmare. and russia hasnt had any accidents with their helicopter so suck it. 2nd best...SUCK IT!
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco no i didnt praise shit. here i will make a statement you cant argue with because the euroasia thing is getting old and you wont let up because your have an iron head. RUSSIA HAS 2nd BEST AIR FORCE IN THE WORLD. argue with that bitch
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco lol i made this statement so many times and your the first person to have a problem with it...because your a moron. Russia is in Europe end of story.
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco your still dumb as fuck. Russia has best Air force in Europe since it touches Europe and its in Europe.
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco shut the fuck up already god your fucking a moron who cant admit he is wrong. Russia is in Europe. this is a fact i dont get what your trying to argue here. the word EUROASIA obviously means its in both. fucken brit..
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco Russia is physically in Europe over half the county is...no go back to sipping your tea
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco your twisting it around now....YOU said originally that Russia is not part of Europe and I said right after its part of 2 continents Now go sip tea with your fucked up teeth
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco lol using NOT jokes what is the the 60's? oh wait your from the UK.........
and ya your still stupid as fuck your ranting about something thats not that important. Russia is in Europe and Asia. They have best Air force in Europe...
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco your a moron now. why? because now your changing the subject because you know you already look stupid, oh and heads up its the internet who gives a fuck about spelling?
You know how I know your a moron? You said Russia is not part of Europe. If you take your finger on the map and move it around the European continent you will go over a huge part of Russia. goodbye retarded britt. find other things to argue about
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco no your still the fucken moron once again russia is only member of euroasia so how can you say your the best when your the only one...the other 2 britts acknowledge that fact that russia has best air force in europe your the only one that cant comprehend this fact because your too fucken stupid to understand about 60% of russia is in Europe...your a dumb bitch congrats
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco your an idiotic moron. Russia is the ONLY country in Euroasia because its the only country big enough to take up 2 continents.....so saying a stament like "Russia has best air force in Euroasia" is moronic because their the only member...so of course you have to say best in Europe because half the country is in Europe. And I was born in Russia, im Russian you fucking tea cup sipping bitch. Now your proving your the moron here...god your fucking stupid
konischev 5 months ago
@Mrscoobycoco lol now the 3rd britt wants to jump in? Your fucking retarded Russia is in both Europe and Asia you stupid moron called Euroasia
stupid fucken britt
konischev 5 months ago
now that i think of it exact copy of dessault mirrage
konischev 5 months ago
The British have a winner here indeed. Mad tech!
kwmkc13 5 months ago
@kwmkc13
It's a collaborative effort from numerous countries.
Yallniggasbetrollin 5 months ago
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@MsArzens Yeah but you have to ask yourself what BAE's 30% equals my friend :)
Computers, electronics, engines etc. I think Spain made the wings lolz.
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
that is james may from top gear??
tomekser 6 months ago
bae make a monster it did not know about it yet EF is the best
battelable 6 months ago
During World War II, USAAF became world's most powerful air force. In 1939, with 20,000 men and 2,400 planes, to autonomous AAF of 1944, with 2.4 million personnel and 80,000 aircraft. WW2 America fought two wars Europe and the Pacific and without one doubt saved the world and Little Britain by defeating Hilters Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire. Without one doubt American power stopped Stalin from invading Europe and defeated Russian in the Cold War. Have a nice day!
USA Rules Britian
LottoWinner999 6 months ago
@LottoWinner999 Britain made you. This is fact, and you will just have to live with it. Britain made you, and France helped you become independent.
I suppose you believe god created the USA haha
No, Britain made you. Britain. Made. You. A tiny nation in the North Atlantic MADE you. We made a lot of other places too, but most of them are proud of this, not in denial like you. I mean your flag is still the same design as the one we made for you, how come you didnt make a new one?
gnark1ll1us 6 months ago 2
@gnark1ll1us U have it all wrong! The people the left Britain, Europe, Asia and all other countries were disgusted with your ruling emperors, kings, queens, dictators despots and their churches who murdered, invaded, enslaved, subjugated people of all nations and faiths. Unlike them and you were not perfect but were there best and we improve and if were not for America you asholes would be at war. In the USA no body make because we choose our way and lives versus Europes mold of inbred insanity!
LottoWinner999 6 months ago
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@LottoWinner999 FFS learn basic English skills before talking shite!
humeyboy 6 months ago
@TacticalHub London is the New Mecca for worlds Muslim Population of 8 Pakis for every Brit wbi don't thing to much about reproducing. London has 1000 Mosques, every week theres a new one. I have definitely taken London off my flight planning 20 years ago as my protest for Britaisn illegal occupation of N. Irleland and previous war crimes against the Irish people. British history will teach that Britain crimes against humanity in Ireland ranked just as bad if not worse than in Nazi Germany.
LottoWinner999 6 months ago
@LottoWinner999 Meanwhile back in reality.......the US is being swamped by illegal immigrants from Mexico. Muslim US army majors are shooting their GI's in their own barracks, your economy is a disaster area- the US has a debt measured in trillions of dollars. Your space programme is effectively dead in the water- no more shuttle flights & NOTHING in the pipeline. Now you are reliant on the Russians for space flight & China is breathing down your neck & will eclipse your GDP within 15 years ROFL
LIVERPOOLSCOTTISH 6 months ago
@LottoWinner999 Oh my fucking word!!!! I just logged into this account after months of using a different account and you are STILL on this video leaving comments....... HAHAHAHAHHAAHAAH now I just feel sad for you!
TacticalHub 6 months ago 2
@LottoWinner999 And you really want to talk about crimes against humanity? You come from the USA mate. You are no different to Soviet russia in that regard. Look up "Unethical human experimentation in the US" on wikipedia and you will see a list of attrocities that outstrip those of even soviet russia or nazi germany. You are just a brainwashed poor little shrimp.... Lotto winner paaahhahhaaa
TacticalHub 6 months ago
@TacticalHub England is the land of torture just look what they did to William Wallace! Britian establsihed slavery and apartheid in USA. We fought the American Civil War to bring to end slavery. Its was Brits who gave Native Americans blankets with small pox plus and established scalping. It took America 200 years to remove British infections of Slavery & Genocide from American Society. Americas not perfect but were the best there is + I hate ungrateful Brits cuz we saved you ass in WW1 & WW2.
LottoWinner999 6 months ago
@LottoWinner999 bullshit.. ww1 we handled our slefs just fine. in ww2 we were doing fine... but ill admit with out your help we would have been screwed in the end. anyway the US wasnt in the war from the start..
but US ships were being sunk buy the germans before tey evan enterd the war. that only stoped until you abdopted british tatics... and the royal navy stoped the atlantic slave trade.. because they controlled the seas they stoped slave ships traveling that were built in america.
harrybyles1996 6 months ago
@harrybyles1996 It was British who established slavery and in India on Brtitish Plantation U enslaved Indians to grow opium while they worked for practically nothing. You Brits forced China to accept Opium and addicted 1/3 of Chinas population to opium. When Chinese refused to let opium in you invaded them and forced the governement to give U Honk Kong and other Chinese lands. Were ever you Brits go you invaded, murdered and looted. Your war crimes in Ireland are just as bad as the Nazis, UYs!
LottoWinner999 6 months ago
@LottoWinner999 You will find slavery was never the central issue in that war, and it was in fact an Englishman by the name of William Wilburforce who was the driving force behind its abolition.
Britain banned it long before it was banned in the colonies, colonies like the USA. Thats right, your country didnt just appear, we made you. I know you hate that idea but its true. so unlucky. Once a colony, always a colony. Oh and to add insult to injury, it was the French that made it possible.
gnark1ll1us 6 months ago
@gnark1ll1us A devastated China surrendered. Under the Nanking Treaty, China agreed to pay £6,000,000 for destroyed opium and cede Hong Kong to Britain. This infuriated Lord Palmerston, who complained 6 million did not cover the cost of the destroyed opium. The Times ridiculed this claim, arguing that Britain owed China compensation for “pillaging her towns and slaughtering her citizens in a quarrel which would never have arisen if we had not been guilty of an international crime.”
LottoWinner999 6 months ago
@LottoWinner999 Did you watch Braveheart? lol. That was 1305 over 100 years before americans would be eradicating the native population of the americas. And your country performed disgusting experiments on babies, young children and black people up until the mid 20th century. They gave black people radiation poisoning in the 1960s. In the early 1900s you were infecting little girls with syphilis and in 1932 to 1972 black people were experimented on with syphilis. Nothing like that was done in UK
TacticalHub 6 months ago
Who else is fed up of this old twat doing amazing stuff on BBC at our expense?
He never says anything interesting, just lots of 'amazing' 'wow' 'awesome' 'best thing ever'. They may as well put in a 17 year old girlband member for all the insight James May provides.
gnark1ll1us 6 months ago
Brtian would be better if they could develop more planes like this. All they got is this and the shitty Tornado. It makes them good but limited air force...russia has best in eruope for that matter
konischev 6 months ago
@konischev
The Tornado is NOT shit.
Its a great low level ground attack airplane.
When it comes to flying fast at low level and delivering a bomb to a specific target nobody does it better than Britains Tornado's
ToonandBBfan 6 months ago
@ToonandBBfan its shit. its old and it cant even do mock 1.0....and theres better bombers than it out there...ever heard of the SU-34?
konischev 6 months ago
@konischev
I think you'll find the Tornado is faster than the Su-34 at low level
Tornado is combat proven where as only about 20 Su-34s are in service
ToonandBBfan 6 months ago
@ToonandBBfan because Su-34 is a newly developed plane...theres way more on the way
and the SU-34 can do mock 1.2 at low altitude and 2.2 at high so it is faster and it can dogfight. its much more superior
konischev 6 months ago
@konischev
The Tornado is good for Mach 1.3 at low level.
As for high level - I dont know.
Its not important, when do airplanes need to travel at Mach 2 nowerdays?
The Tornado is not a dogfighter, I'll leave that to the Typhoon and the F-16 and F-22 that our American allies use.
ToonandBBfan 6 months ago
@ToonandBBfan ok SU 34 is still more superior and nore advanced typhoon is from the70'.s.....
konischev 6 months ago
@konischev
The end product of the Typhoon is a formidable 21st century plane
ToonandBBfan 6 months ago
@ToonandBBfan too bad its not 5th generation. best planes in the next decade will be F-22, PAK-FA and J-20
konischev 6 months ago
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@konischev Russian jets are not what they once were. They are crashing allot due to engine troubles and the SU-35, along with the F-16 and F-18 were defeated out of the Indian MMRCA deal earlier this year by the Eurofighter and Rafale. By the time jets like the Pak -50/J-20 are in Service....UK/USA/Western Europe will have unmanned 6th gen jets such as Taranis crossing continents:
watch?v=eITS4R11kGY
At the moment there's only 1 Pak -50 and J-20 test jet. EF is whooping ass as I type....
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions Their not crashing a lot theres been like 4 accidents this year big deal thats not a lot for a military jet the US has the most....and in some red flags exercises against IAF pilots and RAF pilots the SU-30's took out the EF's and the RAF pilots admitted they were amazed by the SU-30...and LMAO there is 4 PAk-FA jets out there. and Europe cant even develop their own 5th gen jet how the fuck are they going to make a 6th gen hahahah!???
konischev 6 months ago
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@konischev That's 4 accidents I was unaware of lol but it's been going on for years now. Forget those old red flag tests. They were when the T1 block EF had shitty CAPTOR radar. We are now in the year 2011 with EF getting AESA Ceasar radar and 3D TVN engines with 10-15% more power. Why do u think India has chosen the more expensive EF over all the teens and Russian jets? I doubt it's because the cheaper jets were better. You can deny it all ya want, here it is again :)
watch?v=eITS4R11kGY
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions ya and back then i forgot what systems the Russian Su-30 was using but the radar systems were disables for that exercsise or some shit like that so trust me it was even on both sides. and the reason India is going with the EF is because they want diversity in their air force. they already got over 400+ Suikhoi fighters and a bunch of their own variants...and in 2015 their going to get 600 PAk-FA's from Russia, their first official 5th generation fighter
konischev 6 months ago
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@konisch Seriously, India, China, Brazil & Russia do not have a single high quality brand such as Microsoft/Rolls Royce between them. How do u think they are going to compete with the UK who is the worlds 2nd largest arms producer with BAE systems being the worlds largest arms company? Rolls Royce alone owns 40% of the commercial jet engine industry. These countries can't even develop cars!
w w w . guardian . co . uk /business/2010/apr/12/bae-systems-weapons-arms-manufacturers
BAE = no.1
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions Lol you talking car brands??? so does that mean that Japan is best in the world because if their automotive industry? LOL dude Russia is the biggest weapons exporter in the world. and their not competeting with the UK their already beating them...Russia makes 100% of their own equipment unlike UK who turns for help to everyone to make theirs...run along brit and go patiently wait for US to build your f-35 while we build OUR OWN 5th gen Pak-FA HAHA!
konischev 6 months ago
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@konischev If the Japs put their mind to developing weapons then yes...they'd be up there but they are still under certain restrictions linked to WW2 I believe. Same deal with the Germans so they prefer to buy US kit. Russia is buying French kit such as helicopter carriers and is even looking to buy stuff from the USA because their kit is shite lulz.
watch?v=LMeL-UBSS8A
This source is From Russia Today matey lmao. Russia has to come to the West to buy weapons these days...
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions Russia so far bought 2....2 freaking helicopter carriers. Thats IT!! and that report is old. figure wise its wrong the actuall deal that got signed in June was 2011-2020 worth 730 billion dollars..thats 20 million dollars a day and the contracts have all been signed where they money is going. only foreign stuff on their was the French Minstral class carrier....like i said they still make and export way more than anybody. and japan cant develop shit its all US tech
konischev 6 months ago
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@konischev That's not the point. U just said that "Russia makes 100% of their own equipment". As that vid shows, Russia is looking to buy US kit and has already brought French stuff. U are part correct because allot of our projects are co developed with NATO allies but this is why we have quality over quantity. Keep in mind that Russia needs Indian money for PAK-50. I never meant to bash Russia actually. I am just educating you as to what the situation is. Russia is no longer the USSR my friend
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions The French mistral class thing was the first time this happened..so ya they make 99% of their own stuff. and like i said the contracts have been inked. their not buying US stuff, it was all speculation and unconfirmed resources. and dude..like I said Russia just signed a deal thats 730 billion over 9 years for JUST their defense, thats a lot...their doing very well and have a lot of nex gen projects in the works. and yes they got INdia to join in making a 5th gen is expensive
konischev 6 months ago
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@konischev I know the Mistrel class was the first time Russia has approached other nations to buy kit but this is the situation they are in. As that RT report sais, Russia needs to modernize it's military. You either do that by buying or developing and it will take years to catch up the West. 730 billion is stupid with a GDP less than the UK's lol and that level of defence spending is what led the USSR to collapse in the late 80's after being forced into an arms race.
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions and trust me their doing fine. the reason they turned to the mintral because navy is their biggest weakness...right now they have to tear down all their shipyards and rebuild new ones so you have to understand why they jumped the gun to stay top notch in navy. and catch up? lol dude right now we got the Pak-FA almost ready to come out, the Pak-DA in works a 5th gen stratigic stealth bomber and the mikoyan LMFS a 5th gen mig and the mig skat a 6th gen UAV..were good
konischev 6 months ago
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@konischev Take that recent BP deal with that Russian oil company. Russia had to appraoch British Petroleum because they don't have the technology/experience to drill in the arctic conditions and they admit it. Russia's economy is 90% dependent upon energy esports to the EU. If we canx that, Russia would loose 90% of it's GDP more or less over night.
"BAE Systems' 2008 arms sales alone were larger than the gross domestic product of 100 countries"
Believe...UK/USA running the show
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions lol dude UK and USA are NOT running the show.....USA right now doesnt have money to keep their planes in the air and their ships sailing. they admited their going to have to take drastic budget cuts. they said more than 55% of their ships out in the world are in desperate need of repair..and UK is not even a threat. all they do is turn to others for help for everything including tech and war. and yes russia epxorts gas and oil to almost all of europe. its good money so what?
konischev 6 months ago
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@konischev Here's another example of how shit Russian jets are now. Thales UK awarded contract to upgrade failing Mig CPU's:
h t t p : //aerospacediary . blogspot . com/2010/04/thales-wins-work-on-indian-mig-29 . html
We even have to upgrade Russia's own jets lol
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
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@konischev Just look at the epic jokes when Russia tried to invade UK airspace a few years back. They flew the prop powered 1960's Bear into our country.
watch?v=D9FqA9Rtuk0
It was like something out of the dinosaur era! Very comical to watch
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions your dumb dude. they went invading anyones air space all they did was revive their stratigic bomber force(something UK does not have) and was flying missions. yes those are old their going to get replaces by the PAK-Da...and also in time for war Russia would use its supersonic strategic bomber the Tu-160..and the US does the same the still use the B-52 which was build in 1952....................
konischev 6 months ago
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@konischev We don't need strategic bombers mate. The UK has SSBN's (underwater stealth armageddon machines) that carry thermo nuclear warheads and we have a complete sonar system surrounding Western Europe. Now come on....flying near UK airspace is eactly that lol. They got turned around by Tornados. They have done it to Canada as well. Believe...if Russia tried to send their jets over to the UK they would be blown out of the sky. they'd have to use their strategic missiles as their Navy is weak
TheARMAProductions 6 months ago
@TheARMAProductions and if you know your defense you should know Russia has a very elite stratigic missle force and defnse. and Russia also went into Alaska and Japan air space like I said their just doing long range exercises. and no shit it would get blown out of the sky...its a plane from the 50's you could send a p-51 up to shoot it down. and like i said if russia really wanted to scare someone they would use their tu-160 but they wernt trying to scare anyone its just long range exercises
konischev 6 months ago