Wow half of the people hating on IE are obviously retarded, i used internet explorer from 2007-2010 and it worked fine, it only crashed few times during that time, when firefox crashes all the time and ive been using it only for 2 years. Fuck you people, Internet explorer was better and will be!
Fuck IE, I have spent the last 3 hours trying to understand wine and get IE on my ubuntu, and I swear to god, I just want to throw my computer through a wall. I need it for my job, and I can't get hours without it. I have windows on dual boot, but this is the reason I don't use linux solely. I guarantee they do this on purpose just to fuck people who are new to linux into microshit. Brb, going to blow my brains out.
As you pointed out, EI is a bad thing because it uses such a different way of reading web code that we always have to fight to make things work in internet explorer where as it might work fine in ALL other webbrowsers, even my phone mostly does a better job of reading web code than internet explorer... The phrase IE hacks speaks for itselfs on how incompatible this browser really is, do you ever hear people talk about applying Firefox hacks or Chrome hacks? no... they all work, just not IE...
I am a computer programmer, and internet explorer is always a pain to me because it reads code so badly, infact every third advanced function i program for a website does not work or is severely disfigured in internet explorer. Internet explorer is not bad because the interface is bad or because it is slow, but simply because it is so incompatible with the programming standard of today, that it becomes painful to deal with it. the internte would be a better place for programmers without it.
Yes.... Personally only, but oh my goodness its horrible. I am in High School and run our Robotics Team's Website (I have the most experience with HTML/XHTML as well as PHP so it seemed right.
I still don't have it perfect in IE, the one time I did get it right in IE, it was off in EVERYTHING ELSE...... I hate IE, and while I am trying to fix it in IE, I don't care too much, so if it doesn't I am leaving it.
I have only used it a little bit it is slow and plus iam on a MacBook pro now so I can't use it anyways. Iam getting debian 6.1 in a couple of days I can't wait to use it. I also just ordered 8GB of ram. Will be trying out loads of distress in virtual box
WHen I make a website, these thungs are most important to me, in this order: (W3C) valid HTML, semantic code, it should work, (W3C) valid CSS. In the end when a website of mine is completely finished, it has all of those. But that's the order I work in. I start writing vlid HTML, make sure it's semantic, I check if it works and if needed correct it, then I check it in IE and try to correct as much as possible, and then I check if my CSS is (W3C) valid. If not everything is perfect in IE, idc.
As much as I hate Internet Explorer, it (unfortunately) still remains the most important webbrowser your site, just because most companies and clients use it all around the world. And those people really don't care about standards (eventhough they should), they just want it to look pretty in their bad Microsoft browser.
Internet Explorer is like a fussy kid..but since its browser and not a child, its a joke. All browsers need to be standards compliant or just go away. It really doesn't make sense to not be. Apply the same concept to anything else...what if I went to work and just started saying everything in pig latin or just talked in jibberish?
Most of the web apps I make are for in house and no one uses IE. If this wasn't the case though I'd probably just use a separate style sheet for IE and be done.
and yeah, actuali once upon a time IE was the best browser. and when IE 6 came out about 95% of all internet users were using IE so what did they do ? they just chilled and did nothing. untill Firefox and other browser came and got superior beacuse of microsoft laziness. same thing happend when they realesed XP (tough its no good lol). 6 years beetween operating system is a long time.
@Mastermind12358 Could have been me saying that. Teaching the users not to upgrade has done a lot more damage not only for webmaster but also for security.
Actually, it was Apple and Mozilla who started the new war, but I was pleased to see how quickly Google joined in. Microsoft was... well, better late than never. Now I am looking forward to be able to make my websites on a Linux only, still they can work as expected in IE.
I hate it well lets see, its full of USELESS toolbars, and it feels heavy, hope it dies one day and the Windows gamer down there... Hope u get carpal tunnel u fucking shut it! -:D -- Proud Ubuntu 10.10 user
I develop for all browsers, but traffic that Internot Exploder brings to my sites is gradually declining in favour of Chrome & Firefox, so hopefully it's only a matter of time before it goes away entirely.
IE is junk - but the sad truth is it is widely used by end-users not educated on the many options out there. Firefox is my favorite, Chrome is catching on, but IE should R.I.P. - As for design, I run into several problems when viewing in IE. Great work man, keep it up!
I was working at a local bank here, guess what: the whole banking system is built on IE.... with windows 95, 98 or XP. but the real deal is that this bank is national, not a small business. if they get a single pervert little virus and they are screwed
My attitude to web is: Make valid pages, keep standards, and if it does not work in some browser, it is problem of browser developers and they should solve it.
The little bit of development I've done has been on my own terms. I try to make everything work for any browser that I can come up with, but if it doesn't work for IE, I say screw it. If someone wants to use the most insecure browser and my site doesn't display correctly, I'm not gonna consider that the biggest prob ever :P
IE has something like a 85% market share of my hate . And I mean all things considered. Thinking about it alone makes me ill. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, god I hate it. But the fault is our own, as developers. We should develop for standards, not for browsers. And, above all, should tell managers who want us to develop for IE to go f**k themselves, and users who use it to go get a brain.
IE is the browser that almost doubles the work web developers have to do at stylesheets. At my school some teachers who teach informatics are in a conflict with the ICT system managers about IE.
@TWILTalks I've made some websites myself too and I hated the [if IE] hacks. Now I'm working at a website/blog for myself and I still can't motivate myself starting to make it right for IE. It works almost perfect in chrome and firefox but IE is a mess...
It is slow and shit lol simple....it is only good when working with any other Microsoft program.(silverlight) other than that its crap..Mozilla for the win......oh if you have to take the time redoing your code just because of IE I would give up and put a JavaScript code in there and tell people they are using a invalid browser LOL
Last semester, I took a class called Internet/Intranet Design at Stark State. They told us we should only use Firefox to test our webpages instead of Internet Explorer.
(and as for the comments below, on second thought I won't get involved(but I'm siding with america0014))
@Tununias I hadn't been paying attention to most of the comments here. I only get emailed when it's a direct response to the video, or is a reply to one of my comments. Wow. :)
To be honest, when I'm developing at work, I test in IE, Firefox, Safari, Opera, and Chrome.
Yeah but I can enjoy my main use for Computers... gaming! Look, if your not trying to save on IT for a business, and if you aren't an IT pro or a hacker, no one wants to be bothered with an undersupported OS.
@america0014 WTF do you mean by Im a gamer?Your saying im ignorant? And yeah, pressing Scan on my virus protection is such a hassle compared to manual commands. Look, windows is conformity so you have to be different to feel satisfactory, so you can look down on windows users for being "stupid" or unoriginal. When you look at the most powerful Computers, most of them are made for gaming, gaming is a complex job for an OS or computer, Linux trails behind greatly, what does that say? FAIL
@america0014 Yeah but I can enjoy my main use for Computers gaming, If your not trying to save on IT for a business, or are an IT pro, or a hacker, no one wants to be bothered with an undersupported OS.
@FrankDaTank1218 Awesome combat. Look, I'm not going to try to explain why Linux is awesome to some 22 year old Windows gamer. That would take all day...and half the stuff I don't expect you to understand anyways. If you like Windows, don't go jumping in a Linux channel bloating about antivirus buttons and talking about powerful computers and include words like gaming...the ppl here are going to start thinking your some kind of retard and you don't want that, don't you?
@america0014 WTF do you mean by Im a gamer? I don't understand you mighty Linux boys? And yeah, pressing "Scan" on my virus protection is such a hassle compared to manual commands. Look, windows is conformity so you have to be different to feel satisfactory, so you can look down on windows user for being "stupid" or unoriginal. Gaming is a complex job for an OS or computer, Linux trails behind greatly, what does that say?
@FrankDaTank1218 All right then Windows fan boy. Before you go shooting off your mouth you have to understand
A: Your talking smack in a channel that' named "TWIL Talks" = This Week In Linux, not this week in Windows.
B: Your comparing a antivirus scan button to cli = You should already be shooting yourself in the foot for this one. I honestly couldn't believe you wrote that...ouch!
C: Gaming isn't a complex job for any OS! = Now I'm going to make my toaster a complex time machine lol!
I still don't miss Windows or Internet Explorer for that matter. I wish ppl would stop watching tv and learn a thing or two about how Linux is a great system. Maybe learn a command or two a day...learn how to make a personal Linux machine like Arch! It would be nice to walk in a Best Buy and be greeted with less Windows, more Linux machines. I don't even respond to the guys at geek squad when they say "How Windows 7 is superior and this and that"...I just laugh at them for being idiots :)
@america0014 Sorry, but things are made for windows and are at least slightly more effective on windows, plus, learn a command or two a day? I am not stupid, but user-friendliness goes a long way.
@FrankDaTank1218 User friendly goes in the garbage every couple of months when you need to treat your Windows like a princess with the defraging, the virus scanning, registry cleaning, ect. Your a gamer...enough said.
@NJPinator read it in pcworld and/or maximum pc a while back, and alot of united states readers wished microsoft did the same here when one set up their new windows system.
I have a self-hosted blog with WordPress, and I've messed up with it a little, although I have almost no HTML/PHP knowledge, just enough to get the site working. I use "WicketPixie", by Chris Pirillo as my theme, and I looked at the header.php file, and found a few "if IE" lines, including extra CSS files. I was rather disgusted, and decided to delete the lines, and let my few readers realize IE is just wrong. Of course, it's a small site, but the point is: f*ck IE!
@ZebaSzp There are actually plugins for Wordpress that will pop up and let your viewers know they should upgrade to a more secure browser (specifically for IE6, but I believe there are just plain IE-based ones as well). I'm a huge fan of those.
IE is a disaster! Hi I'm Rainy and me,my wife, and a few older Programmers and young Tech Enthusiast have began a Project in Herndon Virginia (Internet Capitol) of making High powered PCs for a VERY fare price. We have banned the use of IE in our office do to the EXTREMELY HIGH SECURITY RISK! If your using IE think of this. Winxp gets infected before you finish updating after install repeatedly. We install XP as Vbox VM for site testing on Ubuntu only. (WE ONLY USE UBUNTU and SUSE!)
@Donflorgon I generally don't mind making it work in IE after it works in other browsers, since it IS so widely used, but I don't go out of my way to support really old versions, and I'm not going to sacrifice functionality (at least not something critical) to make it work in IE. :P
If the viewer is using Internet Explorer, force redirect them to a simple page with a list of REAL web browsers they should be using. If they don't want to get a real web browser and continue using that Microsoft IE crap then they can suffer.
Boycott IE compatibility rewrites and make your website how YOU want it!
@jaminscript that's a great solution, if you can do it. Where I work, we HAVE to support IE, so I can't just force redirect telling them to upgrade. I built in an overlay that would tell people to upgrade if they used IE6, but so many people at work were using it and wouldn't upgrade (they have now) that they wouldn't let me leave it in!
I experienced the same when I did my first website this year. I made the design of the page, checked it in Firefox, Opera... everything was fine with only one CSS-File... and then I started with CSS-Hacks to get the IE6 and the IE7 working. Now, as even popular pages like youtube or ebay do not support the IE6 anymore, I hope we can stop wasting time writing different CSS-Files for just one old browser. Stats for my site: 56,6% Firefox, 35,5% IE overall... IE6 still is at 5,9%...
My approach to that kind of problem is simply to point out that Internet Explorer is driving towards standards compliance as well as all the other browsers, and if you write something which only works in IE6 or IE7 you have no guarantee that there won't be problems later when your company upgrades to IE8 or IE9 later.... It's always best to be standards compliant and test in multiple browsers to protect you from having to re-work things later when you upgrade IE.
I debug in Safari and Firefox, but write for lowest common functionality which is IE. I'm enterprise business application developer. I predict Chrome will be new standard.
@jdubeau007 I'll admit, I haven't been doing this for long, but I'd rather develop apps with more functionality that works across more browsers, then make it look right in IE. :)
I debug in Safari and Firefox, but write for lowest common functionality which is IE. I'm enterprise business application developer. I predict Chrome will be new standard. The IE team at MS simply doesn't listen.
My biggest problem is that some companies and government departments still use IE6! I do the same, get it working in Firefox, Chrome, Safari and then go back and do fixes for IE.
@sonicbaz1 I agree. Up until recently my work was using IE6. I basically told them how much time we were wasting supporting a 9-year-old browser, and got them to update. I do all my development on Firefox/Chrome/Opera/Safari, then make it work in IE7/8.
@egadw possibly, but to be honest, I'm not holding out that much hope. Honestly, I'd love to see it support max width, min width, max height, min height, etc. I don't believe IE8 even supported that. cant' remember offhand though
It's a real pain in the a** to have transparency work correctly in IE. Instead of the standard CSS way they have some filter alpha stuff that can't be applied to anything else but images. I tried to use it on a div with just a plain background-color specified but it failed miserably.
Example here:
h t t p : / / m e k l u (.) w e b e g e (.) c o m / m i s c _ t e s t s / l o r e m . h t m l
I really dont see the reason why Microsoft is even making IE anymore, no addons, no real major updates, slow. And as far as I can tell, how do they make money on it anyway? They should just bundle windows with firefox instead.
@Tinfoilpain I think it's just a dominance thing at this point. Wanting to make sure they stay on top no matter what. if people realized that there's so much open source software out there that's very easy to get and use, they might leave MS entirely.
CSS in IE sucks. That's all I can say. People say to me "Your site looks ugly" and the first question I ask is "Are you using IE?". That pretty much shuts them up :)
@mh3rn4nd3z3 :) I've had a couple of guys in my IRC channel tell me my website and forum don't look right in IE 6 because of the png transparency. I could easily fix it, but I'd rather not.
@lejonicom I don't know if I'd physically attack someone over it, but I almost threw him out of my office over it. I figure if you're going to get snippy with me and just refuse to do your job, why should I go out of my way to be nice to you?
@Gurka9999 see, that's a huge, amazing step forward. There's also several projects out there to get website designers to add code to their site that checks your browser, and if it detects an old version of IE it pops up and says "you're using an outdated browser, please upgrade. here are some options".
On a project at the last company I worked for, two of us were working the server code. I had most of the guts behind the front-end and my buddy had most of the UI. We gave up fighting to keep cross-browser compatibility officially and simply just did it that way ourselves instead. It took less effort to just do it than it did to explain to someone why standards are a good thing. And we always found it easier to start with Firefox and Chrome and do IE last, since it was always the "broken" one.
Hate it, I don't do any web designing but, have ran into this issue as a user of Firefox and I hate everything Microsoft. And will not get anything made for them or by them. but there are sites out there that only support IE and they do not support anything else. People need to realize that there are other OS's out there other then Mac OS X and Windows and other Browsers too.
me i skip app or program etc that do like you mention (dev in ie then dev elsewhere.
i favor this approach:dev in firefox then dev in ie ,chrome etc but starting in ie is a sure way to be non-standard .since ie is very slow to react to change.
@Hax0rPr0n agreed, it's not that difficult to make it work across all browsers. generally I end up doing a standard CSS file that's compliant with non-IE browsers, then adding tweaks to it (or creating a separate file) for IE. It's pretty minimal, but sometimes there are elements that are just treated differently in IE (height/width usually)
IE is a fail, even though if they make it better with IE 9 it will still be the browser using tech from years ago and the sad thing is is that all the people that use IE will NEVER update. And because everyone devs for IE all websites will be slow and lame. Microsoft is holding back tech from advancing.
Doing php/javascript/flex/.NET development for 3-5 years. At the time IE 6 was the standard. MS due to their nature did not listen to the complaints of their customers and kept using antiquated technology. Soon the W3C came in and deemed IE as non-compliant. My first issue was having to create a separate CSS file for IE...what BS.
@beanwl Another issue is in the FLEX SDK, IE & non-IE browsers handle adobe flash differently. I hate to say in my .NET code, I had to use IE for the code to work. It is hard for MS to understand that not everyone uses their crap. And AJAX sucks too!!!
IE is an archaic piece of crap. I don't care if anything I develop works in IE, although the top dog there are pleny of people swapping to a better browser. Disclaimer on the site to twell them IE may not be compatible, with even a link to the explanation why would be the route i would take.
@JamesManes you know, I haven't actually used IE9 yet. IE has definitely been improving over the last few years, but even with IE8 it's miles away from standards compliance. Closer, but not quite.
I work in a corporate environment, many of my tasks involve the corporate website and the intranet. Our web designer generally builds in FF first even though the majority will be visiting with IE, especially the intranet page.
I don't know where your co-worker's soul went, and I don't know why he is in the development field. Frankly, his attitude sucks and I'm glad I dont have to work with him.
Tho, There are a few things that simply _only_ work in IE. Like _automatic_ AD authentication.
I recently had to go through a complete reinstall simply because I caught some trojan that was using IE as its bitch. No matter how many times I scanned, nothing came up in any anti-whatever program. For some reason it made my sound completely stop working too, even though the service was working. I tried removing IE, but it decided it would stay. I figured this was sorta pointless anyways since Microsoft Update requires IE.
I HATE IE
On a daily basis, I use any of Firefox, Chrome, or Opera
The sooner IE dies the better. Lets be honest it's slow and pain in the ass to code for. I am a web developer and I constantly find myself having to tweak IE. But most of all we just want IE6 to die. Die IE6 die!!
I hate that attitude from web developers. I always develop for Web Kit and Gecko first, as they are the most standards compliant, and I tend to get lucky with Opera along the way. If things don't look 100% in Opera, I go back and work on Opera next, followed by IE fixes. IE always comes last, which is why I hope IE9 is a big step towards standards compliance for Microsoft. I just hate it when people think that because most users use IE it is pointless to check in anything but IE.
i don't even try with IE. Everything i ever wrote was for firefox. when i first started, i used to cross check but after time, it just good to frustrating...
I hate the internet explorer browser. Took me forever to convince my parents to at least upgrade from ie6 to ie8. But the reason it won't die is the same reason my dad kept Vista on his computer when he had a free upgrade to Windows 7. People don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading.
But really, Internet Explorer 8 is still a crashy mess. Everytime I'm on my parents computer it crashes at least 3 or 4 times in about a 20-30 minute period. Especially on Facebook. Its really ridiculous.
I do web development for myself, and for the most part I completely ignore IE compatibility. All I care about is standards compliance and that it works in browsers that support the standards.
It seems that most of us who have commented realize how much IE needs to go away. Why, oh why can't corporations figure it out. I went to my banking website the other day only to receive a message that my browser, Opera, was no longer supported. I was directed to download a compatible browser from a list, and the first name on that list was IE. Oh, and their explanation is that this change is due to concerns over security. Are you kidding me! Sad thing is that I know this isn't isolated at all.
I run our website here at the public library. We use wordpress, and everything works great in pretty much every browser except for IE. Though, the problems aren't too major to try and solve, just a couple of cosmetic issues that don't really affect the site enough to worry about.
Though, if it ever did become a problem, I'm not sure how much I'd work to fix it, as opposed to notifying our visitors of the issue and directing them to a different browser.
I don't do much frontend stuff at work but it kind of works the other way around here, at my workplace almost everything they use is opensource (svn, trac, drupal) and for the latest projects everything is developed for FireFox/Webkit then backport to IE. Every once in a while I would hear the frontend guy goes "why won't IE die!!!", and we'll know he is up to the IE part!! :D
there is a high level of contamination that has been prevalent for many years now, namely the fact that IE is preinstalled on Windows machines. So basically when you get a new computer, you launch windows and decide to install Firefox/Chrome/other and to do that, you have to open IE, right? Well guess what? The fact that you open IE counts as a +1 in favor of IE, even though you've opened it ONCE and use FF for the next year.
@LuigiPeach that's an excellent point. The stats I referred to in an earlier comment though (if that's what you were referring to) were actual stats from the site I run at work. 90% IE. :/
For the TWIL website, it's actually closer to 54% Firefox, 32% chrome, 5.5% IE, 3% safari, 3% opera, and 3% other. Win. :)
@LuigiPeach that's why in the UK windows has to offer you a list of browsers because MS was getting sued for forcing their browser on the users. I doubt that would ever work here in the states.
@LuigiPeach There's a solution for that. When you get a new computer, that comes with Windows, before start using IE to download other browser, you can just ask to a friend the installer of the browser you want, while doing this, you will no longer be using IE to download another browser. :)
You can't make web page for specific browser...if html and css according to the standard it will work in every browser especialy in FF, IE , Chrome and Opera.
BTW I really hate internet explorer and I don't know why somebody would use it when there are better browsers than IE.
@Oggy250 That gets back to the idea of people understanding what an operating system and a browser are. So many people just turn their computers on and have no clue what any of it is, they just use what's given to them. They know that clicking "Internet" takes them to the web, but little more.
this is funny. i've never done enterprise work, but also never had to deal with a situation like this. i mostly have to make things look and work right on at least explorer and firefox.
as for the browser itself, i dislike it because it's an inconsistent patchwork (or mosaic? khm khm..), hard to use/develop for, and always tries to force it's own standards instead of complying with the existing ones, but not because of the name microsoft. :)
That's really ignorant of your co-worker to not provide cross-browser support. Yes I can imagine its a pain to fix code or add code so that it works everywhere but it makes sense. As you say why upset even a small percentage of your audience.
At work I've tried to use another browser but some things don't work right again because its designed only for IE. At least they have now upgraded all the browsers to IE8 so no more IE6.
@GhoS64 agreed entirely. Think about it though, 10% of, let's say 20,000 views per month. That's 2,000 people that wouldn't get the full experience of our site if we only developed for IE. If those are paying customers, I know I wouldn't want to lose 10% of them...
I work as a study-coordinator of 2 medical studies. The websites i have to deal with (mainly inputting data into forms) are IE-ONLY. One of them even uses some weird dll file. I HATE IEs non w3c compliance. If they'd keep to the standard there wouldn't even be a problem developing FOR IE because it would work in all other browsers too (maybe not perfect) but it'd work.
Everytime i want to do some work i need to boot up my windows because it doesn't even work with wine.
Wow, looks like the majority of you guys just don't like IE. I <3 you. :)
Sadly, looking at the browser statistics for my work website (not the TWIL website) it's like 90% Internet Explorer, 5% Firefox, 5% "Other" (Chrome, Safari, Opera, etc). Still doesn't mean I should ONLY support IE... if 10% of our views are not IE, I'm supporting those others. :)
Its silly companies and people do have to check support for other browsers cause it consists of 40% of the market share. As far as I am concerned companies that dont adopt it are closed minded in terms of alternative software and it will bite back when people start complaining saying such and such don't work and will take their business else where
Well, it's crap, but it will die 2014, the end of the extended supportcycle of XP. And even Vista doesn't allow installation of the IE 6 anymore. This means that companies won't have choice anymore.
I don't develop websites but I've come across websites that require IE, such as my old bank. It's a PITA when people are of the mindset that IE is king, and there should be more to educate people about the benefits of using alternative browsers.
I know someone who had to use a website to fill some claims for work, and the makers of the site seem to have overlooked that other browsers exist. It had a drop calendar thing, and it wouldn't work in FF or chrome only IE. You come to expect compatibility problems when your a Linux user, but this was on windows, ie isn't even the most popular browser
I have my own blog. After a few weeks of trying to make the layout work in IE, I gave up and added a message that appears in IE saying that it might not display properly and directing them to a page that explains why. I'm relatively confident that the problem is not with my HTML/CSS/PHP as I've run it through BrowserShots and it displays properly on 'most everything. It even displays properly on my mobile phone; the problem just seems to be some versions of IE.
@DLandonCole The Embrace, Extend and Extinguish strategy of MS is well known. I think, however, that their lack of development of IE opened the way for other browsers, notably Firefox, to come in. The market share held by other browsers is now sufficient that IE doesn't have the dominance it once did and the actions taken by the Neelie Kroes have, I think, really highlighted the issue. Various governments have, at one time and another, issued public security warnings about IE.
Wow half of the people hating on IE are obviously retarded, i used internet explorer from 2007-2010 and it worked fine, it only crashed few times during that time, when firefox crashes all the time and ive been using it only for 2 years. Fuck you people, Internet explorer was better and will be!
MrDoubleKiller 1 week ago
Fuck IE, I have spent the last 3 hours trying to understand wine and get IE on my ubuntu, and I swear to god, I just want to throw my computer through a wall. I need it for my job, and I can't get hours without it. I have windows on dual boot, but this is the reason I don't use linux solely. I guarantee they do this on purpose just to fuck people who are new to linux into microshit. Brb, going to blow my brains out.
TheJazzSwings 4 weeks ago
As you pointed out, EI is a bad thing because it uses such a different way of reading web code that we always have to fight to make things work in internet explorer where as it might work fine in ALL other webbrowsers, even my phone mostly does a better job of reading web code than internet explorer... The phrase IE hacks speaks for itselfs on how incompatible this browser really is, do you ever hear people talk about applying Firefox hacks or Chrome hacks? no... they all work, just not IE...
linebit 2 months ago
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I am a computer programmer, and internet explorer is always a pain to me because it reads code so badly, infact every third advanced function i program for a website does not work or is severely disfigured in internet explorer. Internet explorer is not bad because the interface is bad or because it is slow, but simply because it is so incompatible with the programming standard of today, that it becomes painful to deal with it. the internte would be a better place for programmers without it.
linebit 2 months ago
Yes.... Personally only, but oh my goodness its horrible. I am in High School and run our Robotics Team's Website (I have the most experience with HTML/XHTML as well as PHP so it seemed right.
I still don't have it perfect in IE, the one time I did get it right in IE, it was off in EVERYTHING ELSE...... I hate IE, and while I am trying to fix it in IE, I don't care too much, so if it doesn't I am leaving it.
gixxygamma 2 months ago
@chikenexpress36 lol
MrDemilord 3 months ago
I don't work for any company so I don't care about my website being compatible for IE :D
benoitlegat 3 months ago
@benoitlegat lucky guy. :P
TWILTalks 3 months ago
I hate Internet Explorer if i have to use a windows machine i use firefox or chrome.
babywolf1 4 months ago
I have only used it a little bit it is slow and plus iam on a MacBook pro now so I can't use it anyways. Iam getting debian 6.1 in a couple of days I can't wait to use it. I also just ordered 8GB of ram. Will be trying out loads of distress in virtual box
tubeman25 5 months ago
IE is just shit, not more and not less
nicki9595 6 months ago 2
IE is alive? DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!
pokestory1 6 months ago
I've had similar experience with IE. That's really sad, but it is what it is and we can't do anything to make Redmond guys fix their Frankenstein.
slavchevpeter 6 months ago
Windows - Die, die, just f**king DIE!!!
binaryD3struct0r 7 months ago
microsoft won't let IE to die that easily.
It is one of the core elements after all.
asperger1981 7 months ago
IE is evil
MRxSNIPES2 7 months ago
What's internet explorer?
TWILisawesome 7 months ago 3
WHen I make a website, these thungs are most important to me, in this order: (W3C) valid HTML, semantic code, it should work, (W3C) valid CSS. In the end when a website of mine is completely finished, it has all of those. But that's the order I work in. I start writing vlid HTML, make sure it's semantic, I check if it works and if needed correct it, then I check it in IE and try to correct as much as possible, and then I check if my CSS is (W3C) valid. If not everything is perfect in IE, idc.
broederjacobs 7 months ago
I love Firefox. But I experienced bluescreens when watching YT videos in full screen mode. :-(
So I deactivated the hardware acceleration in Firefox 4.0.1
Now I´d like to know if this problem is fixed in Firefox 5.
Hewson60 8 months ago
As much as I hate Internet Explorer, it (unfortunately) still remains the most important webbrowser your site, just because most companies and clients use it all around the world. And those people really don't care about standards (eventhough they should), they just want it to look pretty in their bad Microsoft browser.
PastulioLive 8 months ago
Well it was the basis for Firefox and Google Chrome. And it has better security. If your using CSS don't use the damn web browser.
SecularTechnology 8 months ago
Internet Explorer is like a fussy kid..but since its browser and not a child, its a joke. All browsers need to be standards compliant or just go away. It really doesn't make sense to not be. Apply the same concept to anything else...what if I went to work and just started saying everything in pig latin or just talked in jibberish?
Most of the web apps I make are for in house and no one uses IE. If this wasn't the case though I'd probably just use a separate style sheet for IE and be done.
mattbliese 9 months ago
i program html, css and javascript using command line editors...
SAME PROBLEM...chrome, firefox and MIDORI display same output..even MIDORI..while IE shows some outa-this-world sht...IE shud just R.I.P
amanunpredictable 9 months ago
My websites dont get tested in IE at all... ;-)
I dont know any person who uses IE, they all use either chrome or firefox..
Not even our public school uses IE any more, and its done wonders for the IT budgets for one thing..
thedarkhenrik 9 months ago
and yeah, actuali once upon a time IE was the best browser. and when IE 6 came out about 95% of all internet users were using IE so what did they do ? they just chilled and did nothing. untill Firefox and other browser came and got superior beacuse of microsoft laziness. same thing happend when they realesed XP (tough its no good lol). 6 years beetween operating system is a long time.
Mastermind12358 9 months ago
@Mastermind12358 Could have been me saying that. Teaching the users not to upgrade has done a lot more damage not only for webmaster but also for security.
Actually, it was Apple and Mozilla who started the new war, but I was pleased to see how quickly Google joined in. Microsoft was... well, better late than never. Now I am looking forward to be able to make my websites on a Linux only, still they can work as expected in IE.
Happy Linux (Ubuntu) user.
htmlmm 9 months ago
Microsoft are like the evil empire from star wars, while everthing else (expect apple ofc) is like the rebels.
iE sucks.
Mastermind12358 9 months ago
I only use internet explorer if i need to get online to download Google chrome...
witch i don't have to with linux..
techfighterminal 10 months ago
ie stands for idiotic explorer in my eyes.
kieran2209 10 months ago
I hate it well lets see, its full of USELESS toolbars, and it feels heavy, hope it dies one day and the Windows gamer down there... Hope u get carpal tunnel u fucking shut it! -:D -- Proud Ubuntu 10.10 user
91jmda 10 months ago
I develop for all browsers, but traffic that Internot Exploder brings to my sites is gradually declining in favour of Chrome & Firefox, so hopefully it's only a matter of time before it goes away entirely.
thistleinfotech 10 months ago
IE is junk - but the sad truth is it is widely used by end-users not educated on the many options out there. Firefox is my favorite, Chrome is catching on, but IE should R.I.P. - As for design, I run into several problems when viewing in IE. Great work man, keep it up!
ITConflict 11 months ago 2
I was working at a local bank here, guess what: the whole banking system is built on IE.... with windows 95, 98 or XP. but the real deal is that this bank is national, not a small business. if they get a single pervert little virus and they are screwed
soosrooland 11 months ago
Internet Explorer is what you use to download a real browser
drrobertoboogie97 11 months ago 3
IE sucks, I think you are working with an IE fanboy probably
jazzmaster700 11 months ago
Friends don't let friends use Internet Explorer.
ultimatenerd22 11 months ago
My attitude to web is: Make valid pages, keep standards, and if it does not work in some browser, it is problem of browser developers and they should solve it.
theNguitar 11 months ago
The little bit of development I've done has been on my own terms. I try to make everything work for any browser that I can come up with, but if it doesn't work for IE, I say screw it. If someone wants to use the most insecure browser and my site doesn't display correctly, I'm not gonna consider that the biggest prob ever :P
ckildegaard 1 year ago
Indeed, IE, needs to die! Its has made my life hell every time I develop a website and I have to recreate the css just so that it would work on IE.
MadSam214 1 year ago
in the end I simply put a popup notice that they need to download chrome to use the site if they are using IE.
solvision23 1 year ago
IE has something like a 85% market share of my hate . And I mean all things considered. Thinking about it alone makes me ill. I hate it, I hate it, I hate it, god I hate it. But the fault is our own, as developers. We should develop for standards, not for browsers. And, above all, should tell managers who want us to develop for IE to go f**k themselves, and users who use it to go get a brain.
jpcfernandes 1 year ago
Internet Explorer is just a waste of HDD space.
TheJoshuaPChan 1 year ago
I hate IE, my school is still stuck on IE7, its so slow and iv sont have much patience, but USB firefox runs better than what we have in school XD
TeruMikami2345 1 year ago
Internet Explorer is the best browser to download a different browser ;)
brumbrine 1 year ago 2
IE is the browser that almost doubles the work web developers have to do at stylesheets. At my school some teachers who teach informatics are in a conflict with the ICT system managers about IE.
ubufreak 1 year ago 3
@ubufreak I can't tell you just how much time I've spent redoing CSS to make it work with IE...
TWILTalks 1 year ago 3
@TWILTalks I've made some websites myself too and I hated the [if IE] hacks. Now I'm working at a website/blog for myself and I still can't motivate myself starting to make it right for IE. It works almost perfect in chrome and firefox but IE is a mess...
ubufreak 1 year ago
@TWILTalks
It is slow and shit lol simple....it is only good when working with any other Microsoft program.(silverlight) other than that its crap..Mozilla for the win......oh if you have to take the time redoing your code just because of IE I would give up and put a JavaScript code in there and tell people they are using a invalid browser LOL
BattleGround16 11 months ago
Last semester, I took a class called Internet/Intranet Design at Stark State. They told us we should only use Firefox to test our webpages instead of Internet Explorer.
(and as for the comments below, on second thought I won't get involved(but I'm siding with america0014))
Tununias 1 year ago
@Tununias I hadn't been paying attention to most of the comments here. I only get emailed when it's a direct response to the video, or is a reply to one of my comments. Wow. :)
To be honest, when I'm developing at work, I test in IE, Firefox, Safari, Opera, and Chrome.
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Yeah but I can enjoy my main use for Computers... gaming! Look, if your not trying to save on IT for a business, and if you aren't an IT pro or a hacker, no one wants to be bothered with an undersupported OS.
FrankDaTank1218 1 year ago
@america0014 WTF do you mean by Im a gamer?Your saying im ignorant? And yeah, pressing Scan on my virus protection is such a hassle compared to manual commands. Look, windows is conformity so you have to be different to feel satisfactory, so you can look down on windows users for being "stupid" or unoriginal. When you look at the most powerful Computers, most of them are made for gaming, gaming is a complex job for an OS or computer, Linux trails behind greatly, what does that say? FAIL
FrankDaTank1218 1 year ago
@FrankDaTank1218 Oh and your going to need that powerful computer in order to run your heavy Windows OS :)
america0014 1 year ago
@america0014 Yeah but I can enjoy my main use for Computers gaming, If your not trying to save on IT for a business, or are an IT pro, or a hacker, no one wants to be bothered with an undersupported OS.
FrankDaTank1218 1 year ago
@FrankDaTank1218 Awesome combat. Look, I'm not going to try to explain why Linux is awesome to some 22 year old Windows gamer. That would take all day...and half the stuff I don't expect you to understand anyways. If you like Windows, don't go jumping in a Linux channel bloating about antivirus buttons and talking about powerful computers and include words like gaming...the ppl here are going to start thinking your some kind of retard and you don't want that, don't you?
america0014 1 year ago
@america0014 WTF do you mean by Im a gamer? I don't understand you mighty Linux boys? And yeah, pressing "Scan" on my virus protection is such a hassle compared to manual commands. Look, windows is conformity so you have to be different to feel satisfactory, so you can look down on windows user for being "stupid" or unoriginal. Gaming is a complex job for an OS or computer, Linux trails behind greatly, what does that say?
FrankDaTank1218 1 year ago
@FrankDaTank1218 All right then Windows fan boy. Before you go shooting off your mouth you have to understand
A: Your talking smack in a channel that' named "TWIL Talks" = This Week In Linux, not this week in Windows.
B: Your comparing a antivirus scan button to cli = You should already be shooting yourself in the foot for this one. I honestly couldn't believe you wrote that...ouch!
C: Gaming isn't a complex job for any OS! = Now I'm going to make my toaster a complex time machine lol!
america0014 1 year ago
I still don't miss Windows or Internet Explorer for that matter. I wish ppl would stop watching tv and learn a thing or two about how Linux is a great system. Maybe learn a command or two a day...learn how to make a personal Linux machine like Arch! It would be nice to walk in a Best Buy and be greeted with less Windows, more Linux machines. I don't even respond to the guys at geek squad when they say "How Windows 7 is superior and this and that"...I just laugh at them for being idiots :)
america0014 1 year ago
@america0014 Sorry, but things are made for windows and are at least slightly more effective on windows, plus, learn a command or two a day? I am not stupid, but user-friendliness goes a long way.
FrankDaTank1218 1 year ago
@FrankDaTank1218 User friendly goes in the garbage every couple of months when you need to treat your Windows like a princess with the defraging, the virus scanning, registry cleaning, ect. Your a gamer...enough said.
america0014 1 year ago
@america0014 WTF do you mean by Im a gamer? I don't understand you mighty Linux boys?
FrankDaTank1218 1 year ago
@NJPinator read it in pcworld and/or maximum pc a while back, and alot of united states readers wished microsoft did the same here when one set up their new windows system.
experimental0000 1 year ago
I have a self-hosted blog with WordPress, and I've messed up with it a little, although I have almost no HTML/PHP knowledge, just enough to get the site working. I use "WicketPixie", by Chris Pirillo as my theme, and I looked at the header.php file, and found a few "if IE" lines, including extra CSS files. I was rather disgusted, and decided to delete the lines, and let my few readers realize IE is just wrong. Of course, it's a small site, but the point is: f*ck IE!
ZebaSzp 1 year ago
@ZebaSzp There are actually plugins for Wordpress that will pop up and let your viewers know they should upgrade to a more secure browser (specifically for IE6, but I believe there are just plain IE-based ones as well). I'm a huge fan of those.
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Internet Explorer should die.
MrJordanstech 1 year ago 19
IE is a disaster! Hi I'm Rainy and me,my wife, and a few older Programmers and young Tech Enthusiast have began a Project in Herndon Virginia (Internet Capitol) of making High powered PCs for a VERY fare price. We have banned the use of IE in our office do to the EXTREMELY HIGH SECURITY RISK! If your using IE think of this. Winxp gets infected before you finish updating after install repeatedly. We install XP as Vbox VM for site testing on Ubuntu only. (WE ONLY USE UBUNTU and SUSE!)
R1C1Media 1 year ago 2
I just saw this vid. I dont know how I missed it.
When I use to do websites, I personally used Firefox when I did my sites, but I use to try to make sure they looked right in IE.
Only because most of my clients used it. So, you are almost forced to make it compliant with IE.
Donflorgon 1 year ago
@Donflorgon I generally don't mind making it work in IE after it works in other browsers, since it IS so widely used, but I don't go out of my way to support really old versions, and I'm not going to sacrifice functionality (at least not something critical) to make it work in IE. :P
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Simple solution:
If the viewer is using Internet Explorer, force redirect them to a simple page with a list of REAL web browsers they should be using. If they don't want to get a real web browser and continue using that Microsoft IE crap then they can suffer.
Boycott IE compatibility rewrites and make your website how YOU want it!
jaminscript 1 year ago
@jaminscript that's a great solution, if you can do it. Where I work, we HAVE to support IE, so I can't just force redirect telling them to upgrade. I built in an overlay that would tell people to upgrade if they used IE6, but so many people at work were using it and wouldn't upgrade (they have now) that they wouldn't let me leave it in!
TWILTalks 1 year ago
I experienced the same when I did my first website this year. I made the design of the page, checked it in Firefox, Opera... everything was fine with only one CSS-File... and then I started with CSS-Hacks to get the IE6 and the IE7 working. Now, as even popular pages like youtube or ebay do not support the IE6 anymore, I hope we can stop wasting time writing different CSS-Files for just one old browser. Stats for my site: 56,6% Firefox, 35,5% IE overall... IE6 still is at 5,9%...
LunaticTazz 1 year ago
Ie=shit
Firefox FTW
TheOpensourceFTW 1 year ago
My approach to that kind of problem is simply to point out that Internet Explorer is driving towards standards compliance as well as all the other browsers, and if you write something which only works in IE6 or IE7 you have no guarantee that there won't be problems later when your company upgrades to IE8 or IE9 later.... It's always best to be standards compliant and test in multiple browsers to protect you from having to re-work things later when you upgrade IE.
lewiar 1 year ago
OMG IE7... just please M$ give up
SethHikari 1 year ago 2
i think IE is not a problem any more in Europe so no... I haven't met that....
jackasz1990 1 year ago
@jackasz1990 must be nice. :P
TWILTalks 1 year ago
I debug in Safari and Firefox, but write for lowest common functionality which is IE. I'm enterprise business application developer. I predict Chrome will be new standard.
jdubeau007 1 year ago
@jdubeau007 I'll admit, I haven't been doing this for long, but I'd rather develop apps with more functionality that works across more browsers, then make it look right in IE. :)
TWILTalks 1 year ago
I debug in Safari and Firefox, but write for lowest common functionality which is IE. I'm enterprise business application developer. I predict Chrome will be new standard. The IE team at MS simply doesn't listen.
jdubeau007 1 year ago
My biggest problem is that some companies and government departments still use IE6! I do the same, get it working in Firefox, Chrome, Safari and then go back and do fixes for IE.
sonicbaz1 1 year ago
@sonicbaz1 I agree. Up until recently my work was using IE6. I basically told them how much time we were wasting supporting a 9-year-old browser, and got them to update. I do all my development on Firefox/Chrome/Opera/Safari, then make it work in IE7/8.
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Internet Explorer is complete garbage, I hope it gets shot...
smartarted 1 year ago 24
@smartarted
By what?
SecularTechnology 8 months ago
@SecularTechnology: Chrome.
smartarted 8 months ago
@smartarted
Won't happen. Chrome sucks ass at defense. I can create a VBS and breach it like nothing.
SecularTechnology 8 months ago
STATISTICALLY firefox is the most popular browser Google it!
Tell your boss to think about it.
christoph2005 1 year ago
Well the IE9 should be very standard compliant too. It's among the fastest browsers too it seems(as of preview 4) only beaten by Chrome and Opera.
egadw 1 year ago
@egadw I haven't had a chance to test IE9 yet. IE8 was definitely closer to standards compliance, but not quite.
If I had a spare machine at work, I'd put it on there, but I do well to have the horrible machine I have there... :)
TWILTalks 1 year ago
@TWILTalks I haven't tested it myself either, but I am gonna try it in my virtual W7 later. However it should be 'revolutionary' good. :P
egadw 1 year ago
@egadw possibly, but to be honest, I'm not holding out that much hope. Honestly, I'd love to see it support max width, min width, max height, min height, etc. I don't believe IE8 even supported that. cant' remember offhand though
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Honestly, I would never work applications on Internet Explorer. Its a piece of crap software that I just don't care for.
sonic042004 1 year ago
It's a real pain in the a** to have transparency work correctly in IE. Instead of the standard CSS way they have some filter alpha stuff that can't be applied to anything else but images. I tried to use it on a div with just a plain background-color specified but it failed miserably.
Example here:
h t t p : / / m e k l u (.) w e b e g e (.) c o m / m i s c _ t e s t s / l o r e m . h t m l
meklu 1 year ago
I really dont see the reason why Microsoft is even making IE anymore, no addons, no real major updates, slow. And as far as I can tell, how do they make money on it anyway? They should just bundle windows with firefox instead.
Tinfoilpain 1 year ago
@Tinfoilpain I think it's just a dominance thing at this point. Wanting to make sure they stay on top no matter what. if people realized that there's so much open source software out there that's very easy to get and use, they might leave MS entirely.
TWILTalks 1 year ago
CSS in IE sucks. That's all I can say. People say to me "Your site looks ugly" and the first question I ask is "Are you using IE?". That pretty much shuts them up :)
itsbrad212 1 year ago
@itsbrad212 Agreed. if you have to make a separate .css file for an app, it's sort of ridiculous...
TWILTalks 1 year ago
IE should die... I hate it.
arkanedarkmon 1 year ago
@mh3rn4nd3z3 :) I've had a couple of guys in my IRC channel tell me my website and forum don't look right in IE 6 because of the png transparency. I could easily fix it, but I'd rather not.
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Had that happned to me it would have been. Ether he goes or I go.
And in a weak moment I might even have given him a bloody nose.
lejonicom 1 year ago
@lejonicom I don't know if I'd physically attack someone over it, but I almost threw him out of my office over it. I figure if you're going to get snippy with me and just refuse to do your job, why should I go out of my way to be nice to you?
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Had that happned to me it would have been. Ether he goes or I go.
And in a weak moment I might even have given him a bloody nose.
lejonicom 1 year ago
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lejonicom 1 year ago
I have tried IE, firefox, opera, and many more browsers. The one that sucks the most is IE. What you implement in IE normally works only in IE.
I hate it to see that some old fashioned just want to develop for IE only and never care for the rest of world.
I think that attitude just makes the number of users more and more limited.
It is always better to develop with a global perspective in mind.
akaboudian 1 year ago
In Europe (EU) They are letting you choose what browser to use on your Windows computers.
Gurka9999 1 year ago
@Gurka9999 see, that's a huge, amazing step forward. There's also several projects out there to get website designers to add code to their site that checks your browser, and if it detects an old version of IE it pops up and says "you're using an outdated browser, please upgrade. here are some options".
TWILTalks 1 year ago
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oldaith 1 year ago
On a project at the last company I worked for, two of us were working the server code. I had most of the guts behind the front-end and my buddy had most of the UI. We gave up fighting to keep cross-browser compatibility officially and simply just did it that way ourselves instead. It took less effort to just do it than it did to explain to someone why standards are a good thing. And we always found it easier to start with Firefox and Chrome and do IE last, since it was always the "broken" one.
oldaith 1 year ago
Hate it, I don't do any web designing but, have ran into this issue as a user of Firefox and I hate everything Microsoft. And will not get anything made for them or by them. but there are sites out there that only support IE and they do not support anything else. People need to realize that there are other OS's out there other then Mac OS X and Windows and other Browsers too.
fatheroftwins06 1 year ago
me i skip app or program etc that do like you mention (dev in ie then dev elsewhere.
i favor this approach:dev in firefox then dev in ie ,chrome etc but starting in ie is a sure way to be non-standard .since ie is very slow to react to change.
drbaltazar 1 year ago
@Hax0rPr0n agreed, it's not that difficult to make it work across all browsers. generally I end up doing a standard CSS file that's compliant with non-IE browsers, then adding tweaks to it (or creating a separate file) for IE. It's pretty minimal, but sometimes there are elements that are just treated differently in IE (height/width usually)
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Fire Fox is the Man! use that!
signedadam 1 year ago
IE is a fail, even though if they make it better with IE 9 it will still be the browser using tech from years ago and the sad thing is is that all the people that use IE will NEVER update. And because everyone devs for IE all websites will be slow and lame. Microsoft is holding back tech from advancing.
TheSushiDude 1 year ago
Doing php/javascript/flex/.NET development for 3-5 years. At the time IE 6 was the standard. MS due to their nature did not listen to the complaints of their customers and kept using antiquated technology. Soon the W3C came in and deemed IE as non-compliant. My first issue was having to create a separate CSS file for IE...what BS.
beanwl 1 year ago
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beanwl 1 year ago
@beanwl Another issue is in the FLEX SDK, IE & non-IE browsers handle adobe flash differently. I hate to say in my .NET code, I had to use IE for the code to work. It is hard for MS to understand that not everyone uses their crap. And AJAX sucks too!!!
beanwl 1 year ago
I'll never hack my code for IE6.
I cant stand IE. Ugly UI, horrid rendering engine. prone to attacks etc.
Hermetiqa 1 year ago
IE is an archaic piece of crap. I don't care if anything I develop works in IE, although the top dog there are pleny of people swapping to a better browser. Disclaimer on the site to twell them IE may not be compatible, with even a link to the explanation why would be the route i would take.
Swathe1 1 year ago
Internet explorer 6 and 7 need to die. But IE 9 alpha 3 scores in the 80s for acid 3 (: IE 9 will be great.
JamesManes 1 year ago
@JamesManes you know, I haven't actually used IE9 yet. IE has definitely been improving over the last few years, but even with IE8 it's miles away from standards compliance. Closer, but not quite.
TWILTalks 1 year ago
@TWILTalks
Go try the IE 9 preview. It is awesome, renders everything just as good as webkit IMO
JamesManes 1 year ago
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@JamesManes
what about beta dot html5test dot c o m?
DrSunnz 1 year ago
I can hardly agree anymore. Internet Explorer 9 has made great strides and in terms of standards etc it's very good on version 9.
windowspczone 1 year ago
I work in a corporate environment, many of my tasks involve the corporate website and the intranet. Our web designer generally builds in FF first even though the majority will be visiting with IE, especially the intranet page.
I don't know where your co-worker's soul went, and I don't know why he is in the development field. Frankly, his attitude sucks and I'm glad I dont have to work with him.
Tho, There are a few things that simply _only_ work in IE. Like _automatic_ AD authentication.
whatnameisavailablee 1 year ago
I recently had to go through a complete reinstall simply because I caught some trojan that was using IE as its bitch. No matter how many times I scanned, nothing came up in any anti-whatever program. For some reason it made my sound completely stop working too, even though the service was working. I tried removing IE, but it decided it would stay. I figured this was sorta pointless anyways since Microsoft Update requires IE.
I HATE IE
On a daily basis, I use any of Firefox, Chrome, or Opera
TheLifeRuiner 1 year ago
@TheLifeRuiner nou
Aazzlano 1 year ago
The sooner IE dies the better. Lets be honest it's slow and pain in the ass to code for. I am a web developer and I constantly find myself having to tweak IE. But most of all we just want IE6 to die. Die IE6 die!!
garethhallnz 1 year ago
I hate that attitude from web developers. I always develop for Web Kit and Gecko first, as they are the most standards compliant, and I tend to get lucky with Opera along the way. If things don't look 100% in Opera, I go back and work on Opera next, followed by IE fixes. IE always comes last, which is why I hope IE9 is a big step towards standards compliance for Microsoft. I just hate it when people think that because most users use IE it is pointless to check in anything but IE.
TylorSweeney 1 year ago
@TylorSweeney Gladly here in Finland IE is a browser of the minority.
meklu 1 year ago
I disabled IE8 on my Windows 7 computer. I use Chrome as my main browser on every OS I run.
TheFusionIcon 1 year ago
i don't even try with IE. Everything i ever wrote was for firefox. when i first started, i used to cross check but after time, it just good to frustrating...
JohnPortfolio2010 1 year ago
I hate the internet explorer browser. Took me forever to convince my parents to at least upgrade from ie6 to ie8. But the reason it won't die is the same reason my dad kept Vista on his computer when he had a free upgrade to Windows 7. People don't want to go through the hassle of upgrading.
But really, Internet Explorer 8 is still a crashy mess. Everytime I'm on my parents computer it crashes at least 3 or 4 times in about a 20-30 minute period. Especially on Facebook. Its really ridiculous.
ConMahaff 1 year ago
I do web development for myself, and for the most part I completely ignore IE compatibility. All I care about is standards compliance and that it works in browsers that support the standards.
OniLink10 1 year ago
I wanna try ie9's D2D Rendering.
I'm at a Library now and they have Firefox, but they're still using Firefox 3.0.
I'm glad I have Chrome Portable.
commodore256 1 year ago
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TradieTrev
7 hours ago 5
IE + ActiveX + Cookies + Dodgy websites = Malware. Have fun people!
Totally true!
Aciliusdev 1 year ago
It seems that most of us who have commented realize how much IE needs to go away. Why, oh why can't corporations figure it out. I went to my banking website the other day only to receive a message that my browser, Opera, was no longer supported. I was directed to download a compatible browser from a list, and the first name on that list was IE. Oh, and their explanation is that this change is due to concerns over security. Are you kidding me! Sad thing is that I know this isn't isolated at all.
libraryeli 1 year ago
I run our website here at the public library. We use wordpress, and everything works great in pretty much every browser except for IE. Though, the problems aren't too major to try and solve, just a couple of cosmetic issues that don't really affect the site enough to worry about.
Though, if it ever did become a problem, I'm not sure how much I'd work to fix it, as opposed to notifying our visitors of the issue and directing them to a different browser.
libraryeli 1 year ago
ie sucks balls!!!!! it must be incinerated!!!
AndresBarrios1990 1 year ago
But man it is so strange that your friend develop in IE only!! Has he been living under a rock or something!! :(
DrSunnz 1 year ago
I don't do much frontend stuff at work but it kind of works the other way around here, at my workplace almost everything they use is opensource (svn, trac, drupal) and for the latest projects everything is developed for FireFox/Webkit then backport to IE. Every once in a while I would hear the frontend guy goes "why won't IE die!!!", and we'll know he is up to the IE part!! :D
DrSunnz 1 year ago
A word regarding statistics:
there is a high level of contamination that has been prevalent for many years now, namely the fact that IE is preinstalled on Windows machines. So basically when you get a new computer, you launch windows and decide to install Firefox/Chrome/other and to do that, you have to open IE, right? Well guess what? The fact that you open IE counts as a +1 in favor of IE, even though you've opened it ONCE and use FF for the next year.
Just something I wanted to share with you
LuigiPeach 1 year ago 6
@LuigiPeach that's an excellent point. The stats I referred to in an earlier comment though (if that's what you were referring to) were actual stats from the site I run at work. 90% IE. :/
For the TWIL website, it's actually closer to 54% Firefox, 32% chrome, 5.5% IE, 3% safari, 3% opera, and 3% other. Win. :)
TWILTalks 1 year ago
@TWILTalks So Chrome is not as popular as I expected. Well, being slower than Firefox right now for me, I don't have to wonder why.
brokenthorn15 1 year ago
@LuigiPeach that's why in the UK windows has to offer you a list of browsers because MS was getting sued for forcing their browser on the users. I doubt that would ever work here in the states.
experimental0000 1 year ago
@LuigiPeach That's why everyone should download it on a usb stick and SHARE THE LOVE!
vargulf19 1 year ago
@vargulf19 In practical terms that would be hard... Most people wouldn't see any reason to do this.
LuigiPeach 1 year ago
@LuigiPeach There's a solution for that. When you get a new computer, that comes with Windows, before start using IE to download other browser, you can just ask to a friend the installer of the browser you want, while doing this, you will no longer be using IE to download another browser. :)
That's what I do.
asorsuehtam 1 year ago
You can't make web page for specific browser...if html and css according to the standard it will work in every browser especialy in FF, IE , Chrome and Opera.
BTW I really hate internet explorer and I don't know why somebody would use it when there are better browsers than IE.
Oggy250 1 year ago
@Oggy250 That gets back to the idea of people understanding what an operating system and a browser are. So many people just turn their computers on and have no clue what any of it is, they just use what's given to them. They know that clicking "Internet" takes them to the web, but little more.
TWILTalks 1 year ago
this is funny. i've never done enterprise work, but also never had to deal with a situation like this. i mostly have to make things look and work right on at least explorer and firefox.
as for the browser itself, i dislike it because it's an inconsistent patchwork (or mosaic? khm khm..), hard to use/develop for, and always tries to force it's own standards instead of complying with the existing ones, but not because of the name microsoft. :)
bamdadkhan 1 year ago
when i develop a site or a web app I don't even consider making anything work ie lol i make sure it works with webkit, mozilla, and opera :)
nolanhester1 1 year ago
That's really ignorant of your co-worker to not provide cross-browser support. Yes I can imagine its a pain to fix code or add code so that it works everywhere but it makes sense. As you say why upset even a small percentage of your audience.
At work I've tried to use another browser but some things don't work right again because its designed only for IE. At least they have now upgraded all the browsers to IE8 so no more IE6.
GhoS64 1 year ago
@GhoS64 agreed entirely. Think about it though, 10% of, let's say 20,000 views per month. That's 2,000 people that wouldn't get the full experience of our site if we only developed for IE. If those are paying customers, I know I wouldn't want to lose 10% of them...
TWILTalks 1 year ago
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nolanhester1 1 year ago
The only people I know who uses internet explorer are old people who don't know anything about computer.... everybody else uses firefox or chrome...
davidgagne80 1 year ago
I work as a study-coordinator of 2 medical studies. The websites i have to deal with (mainly inputting data into forms) are IE-ONLY. One of them even uses some weird dll file. I HATE IEs non w3c compliance. If they'd keep to the standard there wouldn't even be a problem developing FOR IE because it would work in all other browsers too (maybe not perfect) but it'd work.
Everytime i want to do some work i need to boot up my windows because it doesn't even work with wine.
SUCKS
Guybrush369 1 year ago
I never developed for Internet Explorer. I don't care if one of my sites not work in IE.
The best way is to send the IE users (with PHP or .htaccess) to a selection page , where they can choose between the other borwsers.
LinuxHUN 1 year ago
Die IE DIE i hate IE
darkodelta 1 year ago
Wow, looks like the majority of you guys just don't like IE. I <3 you. :)
Sadly, looking at the browser statistics for my work website (not the TWIL website) it's like 90% Internet Explorer, 5% Firefox, 5% "Other" (Chrome, Safari, Opera, etc). Still doesn't mean I should ONLY support IE... if 10% of our views are not IE, I'm supporting those others. :)
TWILTalks 1 year ago
Its silly companies and people do have to check support for other browsers cause it consists of 40% of the market share. As far as I am concerned companies that dont adopt it are closed minded in terms of alternative software and it will bite back when people start complaining saying such and such don't work and will take their business else where
Richardarkless 1 year ago
Well, it's crap, but it will die 2014, the end of the extended supportcycle of XP. And even Vista doesn't allow installation of the IE 6 anymore. This means that companies won't have choice anymore.
Tarnus88 1 year ago
I don't develop websites but I've come across websites that require IE, such as my old bank. It's a PITA when people are of the mindset that IE is king, and there should be more to educate people about the benefits of using alternative browsers.
scouser73ubuntu 1 year ago
I know someone who had to use a website to fill some claims for work, and the makers of the site seem to have overlooked that other browsers exist. It had a drop calendar thing, and it wouldn't work in FF or chrome only IE. You come to expect compatibility problems when your a Linux user, but this was on windows, ie isn't even the most popular browser
metalmaniac248 1 year ago
I have my own blog. After a few weeks of trying to make the layout work in IE, I gave up and added a message that appears in IE saying that it might not display properly and directing them to a page that explains why. I'm relatively confident that the problem is not with my HTML/CSS/PHP as I've run it through BrowserShots and it displays properly on 'most everything. It even displays properly on my mobile phone; the problem just seems to be some versions of IE.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole The Embrace, Extend and Extinguish strategy of MS is well known. I think, however, that their lack of development of IE opened the way for other browsers, notably Firefox, to come in. The market share held by other browsers is now sufficient that IE doesn't have the dominance it once did and the actions taken by the Neelie Kroes have, I think, really highlighted the issue. Various governments have, at one time and another, issued public security warnings about IE.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole IE is not, I feel, a well-regarded brand and, frankly, MS deserve everything they get.
DLandonCole 1 year ago