America has bigger things to worry about than this turban issue. We need to focus on bigger issues such as economy, national debt, unemployment. It's unfortunate so much time and energy is wasted on trivial issues like this turban issue. Minorities must respect law of land. They can always go back to their native countries, if they can't practice their faith.
@jay1970 I agree with you but what's wrong with someone that wants to serve our country if they have to wear a turban due to religious reasons? Sikhs serve in armies across the globe and have a excellent reputation for being some of the finest soldiers fighting till their last breath. Like you said, America has bigger things to worry about but unfortunately it keeps focusing on minor issues.
Nothing wrong with serving country, problem is disruption these guys bring. This is not about patriotism. If this was just to serve country, they would not make issue out of it. This is about shoving their religion to others throats. If Sikhs can not change with time, why force others to change their traditions?
This is just a propaganda that sikhs are the finest soldiers. Sikh soldiers are no better than any other communities.
What I mean by finest soldiers is that they proudly serve in armed forces around the world. Navy, military, marines, air force, you name it. I am NOT saying that they are better or superior than their counterparts in anyway. A soldier is a soldier. I don't get how these guys are shoving their religion in other peoples throats as you mentioned. They are just asking if they can serve while keeping their hair. They aren't telling anyone else to change.
"just asking if they can serve while keeping their hair. They aren't telling anyone else to change."
They are telling others to change, they are asking to change others to change traditions, ideologies, rules, policies because of Sikh religions. Sikhs always demand special treatment and that's the problem. Sikhs don't want to change themselves while expecting others to change for them. Worst thing is their arrogance and superiority complex.
Woah, hold on there. Arrogance and superiority complex? Where in the world did you get that from?
The only thing that they demand is that they be allowed to serve while retaining their articles of faith. I don't understand why people like you think it's a big deal.
Unless you're an atheist, I don't see why you would want to change your practices instead of asking for permission. Plus, Sikhs serve in forces around the world and it's not like other countries have a problem.
The problem is that us Americans have a narrow way of thinking. We want things to either go our way or not go at all. We aren't open to change and accepting other religious, cultural, and traditional practices. This is what all of my professors have said in my classes.
You should "The problem is that us Americans have a narrow way of thinking."
You are so ungrateful. Hasn't army allowed Sikhs to wear turbans? Isn't it enough to show Americans don't have "Narrow way of thinking". If Americans are not open to other cultures, why don't you go to wherever people don't have "Narrow way of thinking" How about Sikhs, why they are not open to new ideas by not wearing turbans?
Who said I'm ungrateful? The problem is people like yourself think with a narrow mind and aren't open to change. I am very thankful of the army and yes it has allowed Sikhs to serve while retaining their head dress. The only reason I said that was because YOU were the one that said Sikhs have a "superiority" complex, thus my response was directed specifically towards you. And yes everyone has their own beliefs.
I am saying you are ungrateful. America has been accomodating to Sikhs' unreasonable demands and you still have audacity to call Americans have narrow way of thinking. And don't put it on me, you could have said, I have narrow way of thinking. But you chose to use "Americans".
Buddy, you were the one that was trying to represent the "voice" of America, quit trying to make a big deal out of it. However, I do apologize if it sounded like a generalization, ok? Speaking of generalizations, you seem to make a lot as well. I grew up in Cali my whole life, I'm not any less American than you are and neither am I excluding myself when I made that statement. I am just as proud of our history and heritage as you are. Hopefully this clears things up.
No-one has to give me authority to express what I have observed. This is based on my experiences in US and other countries I have lived in. And I am not the voice of America, however many Americans agree with what I said here. But how many Americans I know, how many sikhs I know... I may be completely wrong,
Re. arrogance, listen to Kalsi in this video right here. He starts with "Any soldier who has worked with Sikhs will know we are great soldiers" Sounds like arrogance to me.
Now I understand what you are saying. What he should have said is "Sikhs can make good soldiers given the opportunity." His choice of words wasn't the best but I'm sure he didn't mean to offend anyone or make himself sound better.
All I'm saying is that it shouldn't matter if someone wants to serve with a turban. I have many Sikh friends in the army who serve without them since they have haircuts.
Anyway, I am very grateful that these soldiers were granted special privileges. =D
If I'm not mistaken, weren't you the one that said Sikhs have a "Arrogance and superiority complex." Who gives you the authority to make such a statement?
It's funny how you keep ignoring my main arguments but instead keep sidetracking and focusing on topics not relevant to the main subject.
But you are correct though, we are open to other cultures and that's what makes us so culturally and religiously diverse. America is not a single culture or ethnicity, it is a blend of everything and that's what sets us apart from the rest of the world and makes us unique. I was only saying that because of your comment regarding superiority complex. As you are aware, just because one person might think a certain way doesn't mean all ppl of that culture think similarly.
And yes, Sikhs are definitely open to not wearing turbans when they don't have a choice. Sikhs have fought without them during WW1 and WW2 and even in America have gone through training/combat without them. The only thing I'm saying is that what difference does it make if someone fights with a turban as opposed to without it. It doesn't make a difference in the type of solider one is during combat.
That is quite admirable stuff and I bow my head to the Sikh Coalition and Captain Kalsi for their passion and fervor for Sikhism as well as for their intelligence and poise...
In the last two world wars 83,005 turban wearing Sikh soldiers were killed and 109,045 were wounded.
They all died or were wounded for the freedom of Britain and the world, and during shell fire, with no other protection but the turban, the symbol of their faith.
The Battle of Saragarhi is considered one of the greatest stories of collective bravery in human history.
The contingent of twenty-one soldiers from the 36th Sikhs was led by Havildar Ishar Singh, and held off an Afghan attack of 10,000 men for several hours.
All 21 Sikh soldiers chose to fight to the death instead of surrendering.
In recognition of their supreme sacrifice, the British Parliament rose to pay them respect, and each one of them was awarded the Indian Order of Merit (equivalent to the Victoria Cross).
The battle has been compared to the Battle of Thermopylae, where a small Greek force faced a large Persian army of Xerxes (480 BC).
Saragarhi Day, is a Sikh military commemoration day celebrated on 12 September every year annually to commemorate The Battle of Saragarhi. Sikh military personnel and Sikh non-military people commemorate the battle around the World every year on September 12.
great sikhs...all ways severed the military they are no treaters, if some bums who leave the forces never left ..sikh would never need to join..many many year they severd in the english , us, and indian forces.there turbans and beards never stopped them then......keep on what great honest people.
People wore turbans centuries ago because it was in the contemporary fashion, just like medieval Europeans wore tights and about 60 years ago all English and American men wore ties and jackets casually.
I don't need anything to figure out that wearing a turban and carrying a knife as a religious requirement is superstition, culturally its completely fine, Arabs wear robes, Indians wear saris, but they don't make it a requirement.
we all know that you leve you work at work an leve you home at home as in you dont take your work home with you leve your bs kasi at home.
we cant have god in school an so on you shold not be abal to have this i hope if your on the battel an some tele ban use some kind of gas on you
you will find that ur bear will be the death of you your gas mask will not work with it an so on you got a GET OUT OF DUTY CARD FROM QIRA AN SO ON
no 1 will make you go do your job cuzz you cant use the g-mask
TheRaven1942 7 months ago
@TheRaven1942 why do you have too hate? they want to offer their lives to their country and are denied. cant you be supportive?
JaideepSB 6 months ago
you will NEVER see this in the United States Marine Corps
anteracmacash 1 year ago
America has bigger things to worry about than this turban issue. We need to focus on bigger issues such as economy, national debt, unemployment. It's unfortunate so much time and energy is wasted on trivial issues like this turban issue. Minorities must respect law of land. They can always go back to their native countries, if they can't practice their faith.
jay1970 1 year ago
@jay1970 I agree with you but what's wrong with someone that wants to serve our country if they have to wear a turban due to religious reasons? Sikhs serve in armies across the globe and have a excellent reputation for being some of the finest soldiers fighting till their last breath. Like you said, America has bigger things to worry about but unfortunately it keeps focusing on minor issues.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@NismoCA
Nothing wrong with serving country, problem is disruption these guys bring. This is not about patriotism. If this was just to serve country, they would not make issue out of it. This is about shoving their religion to others throats. If Sikhs can not change with time, why force others to change their traditions?
This is just a propaganda that sikhs are the finest soldiers. Sikh soldiers are no better than any other communities.
jay1970 1 year ago
@jay1970
What I mean by finest soldiers is that they proudly serve in armed forces around the world. Navy, military, marines, air force, you name it. I am NOT saying that they are better or superior than their counterparts in anyway. A soldier is a soldier. I don't get how these guys are shoving their religion in other peoples throats as you mentioned. They are just asking if they can serve while keeping their hair. They aren't telling anyone else to change.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@NismoCA
"just asking if they can serve while keeping their hair. They aren't telling anyone else to change."
They are telling others to change, they are asking to change others to change traditions, ideologies, rules, policies because of Sikh religions. Sikhs always demand special treatment and that's the problem. Sikhs don't want to change themselves while expecting others to change for them. Worst thing is their arrogance and superiority complex.
jay1970 1 year ago
@jay1970
Woah, hold on there. Arrogance and superiority complex? Where in the world did you get that from?
The only thing that they demand is that they be allowed to serve while retaining their articles of faith. I don't understand why people like you think it's a big deal.
Unless you're an atheist, I don't see why you would want to change your practices instead of asking for permission. Plus, Sikhs serve in forces around the world and it's not like other countries have a problem.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@NismoCA
You wrote "Woah, hold on there. Arrogance and superiority complex? Where in the world did you get that from?"
I got it right here. Kalsi starts with "Any soldier who has worked with Sikhs will know we are great soldiers"
You wrote "The only thing that they demand is that they be allowed to serve while retaining their articles of faith"
No this is not the only thing Sikhs demand, they need special treatment everywhere and expect others to accomodate their unreasonable demands.
jay1970 1 year ago
@jay1970
The problem is that us Americans have a narrow way of thinking. We want things to either go our way or not go at all. We aren't open to change and accepting other religious, cultural, and traditional practices. This is what all of my professors have said in my classes.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@NismoCA
You should "The problem is that us Americans have a narrow way of thinking."
You are so ungrateful. Hasn't army allowed Sikhs to wear turbans? Isn't it enough to show Americans don't have "Narrow way of thinking". If Americans are not open to other cultures, why don't you go to wherever people don't have "Narrow way of thinking" How about Sikhs, why they are not open to new ideas by not wearing turbans?
jay1970 1 year ago
@jay1970
Who said I'm ungrateful? The problem is people like yourself think with a narrow mind and aren't open to change. I am very thankful of the army and yes it has allowed Sikhs to serve while retaining their head dress. The only reason I said that was because YOU were the one that said Sikhs have a "superiority" complex, thus my response was directed specifically towards you. And yes everyone has their own beliefs.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@NismoCA
I am saying you are ungrateful. America has been accomodating to Sikhs' unreasonable demands and you still have audacity to call Americans have narrow way of thinking. And don't put it on me, you could have said, I have narrow way of thinking. But you chose to use "Americans".
jay1970 1 year ago
@jay1970
Buddy, you were the one that was trying to represent the "voice" of America, quit trying to make a big deal out of it. However, I do apologize if it sounded like a generalization, ok? Speaking of generalizations, you seem to make a lot as well. I grew up in Cali my whole life, I'm not any less American than you are and neither am I excluding myself when I made that statement. I am just as proud of our history and heritage as you are. Hopefully this clears things up.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@NismoCA
No-one has to give me authority to express what I have observed. This is based on my experiences in US and other countries I have lived in. And I am not the voice of America, however many Americans agree with what I said here. But how many Americans I know, how many sikhs I know... I may be completely wrong,
Re. arrogance, listen to Kalsi in this video right here. He starts with "Any soldier who has worked with Sikhs will know we are great soldiers" Sounds like arrogance to me.
jay1970 1 year ago
@jay1970
Now I understand what you are saying. What he should have said is "Sikhs can make good soldiers given the opportunity." His choice of words wasn't the best but I'm sure he didn't mean to offend anyone or make himself sound better.
All I'm saying is that it shouldn't matter if someone wants to serve with a turban. I have many Sikh friends in the army who serve without them since they have haircuts.
Anyway, I am very grateful that these soldiers were granted special privileges. =D
NismoCA 1 year ago
@jay1970
If I'm not mistaken, weren't you the one that said Sikhs have a "Arrogance and superiority complex." Who gives you the authority to make such a statement?
It's funny how you keep ignoring my main arguments but instead keep sidetracking and focusing on topics not relevant to the main subject.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@jay1970
But you are correct though, we are open to other cultures and that's what makes us so culturally and religiously diverse. America is not a single culture or ethnicity, it is a blend of everything and that's what sets us apart from the rest of the world and makes us unique. I was only saying that because of your comment regarding superiority complex. As you are aware, just because one person might think a certain way doesn't mean all ppl of that culture think similarly.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@jay1970
And yes, Sikhs are definitely open to not wearing turbans when they don't have a choice. Sikhs have fought without them during WW1 and WW2 and even in America have gone through training/combat without them. The only thing I'm saying is that what difference does it make if someone fights with a turban as opposed to without it. It doesn't make a difference in the type of solider one is during combat.
NismoCA 1 year ago
@NismoCA
You wrote "The only thing I'm saying is that what difference does it make if someone fights with a turban as opposed to without it"
It's about disruption and drama Sikhs bring on trivial issue.
jay1970 1 year ago
@jay1970
Say the country were attacked and these guys were in the Army reserve, are you telling me that you wouldn't let them help defend us? I don't get it.
NismoCA 1 year ago
That is quite admirable stuff and I bow my head to the Sikh Coalition and Captain Kalsi for their passion and fervor for Sikhism as well as for their intelligence and poise...
abreezysleep 1 year ago
In the last two world wars 83,005 turban wearing Sikh soldiers were killed and 109,045 were wounded.
They all died or were wounded for the freedom of Britain and the world, and during shell fire, with no other protection but the turban, the symbol of their faith.
General Sir Frank Messervy
1stmerc 2 years ago 5
The Battle of Saragarhi is considered one of the greatest stories of collective bravery in human history.
The contingent of twenty-one soldiers from the 36th Sikhs was led by Havildar Ishar Singh, and held off an Afghan attack of 10,000 men for several hours.
All 21 Sikh soldiers chose to fight to the death instead of surrendering.
1stmerc 2 years ago 2
In recognition of their supreme sacrifice, the British Parliament rose to pay them respect, and each one of them was awarded the Indian Order of Merit (equivalent to the Victoria Cross).
The battle has been compared to the Battle of Thermopylae, where a small Greek force faced a large Persian army of Xerxes (480 BC).
1stmerc 2 years ago 2
Saragarhi Day, is a Sikh military commemoration day celebrated on 12 September every year annually to commemorate The Battle of Saragarhi. Sikh military personnel and Sikh non-military people commemorate the battle around the World every year on September 12.
1stmerc 2 years ago
great sikhs...all ways severed the military they are no treaters, if some bums who leave the forces never left ..sikh would never need to join..many many year they severd in the english , us, and indian forces.there turbans and beards never stopped them then......keep on what great honest people.
gmudan0 2 years ago 2
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People wore turbans centuries ago because it was in the contemporary fashion, just like medieval Europeans wore tights and about 60 years ago all English and American men wore ties and jackets casually.
I don't need anything to figure out that wearing a turban and carrying a knife as a religious requirement is superstition, culturally its completely fine, Arabs wear robes, Indians wear saris, but they don't make it a requirement.
romansionis 2 years ago
For the most part the argument goes against Sikhs, because the US army cannot endorse the Sikh faith by allowing Sikhs to keep a beard.
But the only counter argument is the Christmas Holiday.
DevilOfTheParadise 2 years ago 2
Thank you Sikh Coalition.
binnyiscooll 2 years ago 3
Guru Sahib will alwayz help hiz warriorz
Amriot 2 years ago 6