Now as a true Christian you would have found the truth in Christ and as such you would not turn away from the truth. Thus if you turn away from Christ you obviously had not found that truth in him, but something acceptable. Unlike stated by the aggressive atheist this is nothing to do with free will but there is no logic in turning away from the truth. You can of course do it but as you are now aware of consequences cause u know the truth, to deny it will be a painful self made hell.
okay..now i have a question..why was Exodus 22.18 changed? there are plenty of hypocrisies in the bible.. it is not a book but a collection of stories that was put together to make it look like its infallible which in truth it is not..
Your video is very unclear. Passages that go to the definition and clarity of belief are irrelevant. People of all levels of devoutness can later on come to believe Christianity is untrue.
The fact that the Bible says people won't change their mind is irrelevant. Yes, we violate this passage,and at this point we stop being Christian. It has no bearing on who we were or what we believed until that point, which is the only period in which we claim we were Christian.
Yes, defining a Scotsman is different than defining a Christian, but that doesn't mean your argument isn't a prime example of the fallacy. Christians are directed not to commit sins, but that doesn't mean that they stop being Christian when they fall short. Christians are defined by what they believe, not how they behave. You can say they are not *good* Christians, but you don't have the right to change the definition of the word because it suits you.
The term "true Christian" is meaningless. You say that "true Christians" wouldn't persecute and kill. Fundamentalists take the word of the Bible literally and they do persecute, would kill, and would call you not a "true Christian." A Roman Catholic would call a Protestant not a "true Christian" and vise versa. Its only use is to use it to cover up the inconsistencies of Christianity.
You're not a "true" christian! The only videos I've seen on here with "true" christians are the westboro church, jesus camp and the parody of the landover baptist church. How dare you speak in such a way about the inquisition (true christians) Salem witch trials true christians. True christians hate fags and burn witches. True muslims fly plane into buildings and strap-on suicide bombs. That's the true face of insanity and religion!
The no true scotsman fallacy. Circular logic of quoting scripture. You can't find a xian that can think logically. Once they start, they become atheists.
of course people are going to fall away..as soon as people see threw the lies and the fear mongering......PRAISE ME OR YOU BE TORN APART AND BURN FOREVER AND EVER!!!....now...you gonna worship me cause i can tell you the out comes of lies........keep following your devils.......i don't want to be with all you air head losers living in a desert..with the heaven on earth over in the middle east...go a learn how to read and understand what you read...its evil and the devils as you brainwashed idiot
@emptywithoutjesus uhm, ive been thinking for awhile. "God" "made" us all equals right? like no-one is better then the other guy standing next to them. well, why does "god" get all this worship, why does he make the whole what is a sin and what isnt?
and i wanna know do you hate gay people? Do u personaly think it should be a sin to be gay?
@Carley6200 I don't hate gay people or anybody for that matter. I love everyone and care deeply for them. This is proven in my constant warning them of the end and the judgements of God. Homosexuality is a sin, like many other selfish desires. Some of my closest friends WERE Gay.
@emptywithoutjesus Bad news for your friends, they probably still are gay. You can't tell because you can't read their minds. I have a question for you. Let's assume that god DOES exist and that he is perfect. As a perfect deity and a creator, he wouldn't do anything by MISTAKE, as he does no mistakes, ever. Thus he made gay people gay on purpose, not by accident. So, my qustion is, what's the point of that? Why create something in a way that you don't approve in the first place?
@alexggbr I KNOW they're not gay because they've lived for years before they were gay, NOT being gay, and they've lived for years after, NOT being gay. Being gay is a decision. God did not make anyone gay. His original creation was perfect. Sin has marred all of His perfect creation. Now we are all born with a sin nature. please see exodus international for more on what I am saying.
@emptywithoutjesus What I am saying is that no heterosexual man will ever "Experiment" on being Gay, ever. If one leads a gay life for any amount of time, this is about one's nature, not one's decision. Sexuality is not like a musical preference! No heterossexual man will ever "decide" to be gay. You can't KNOW they're not gay anymore, no matter how much you believe that. Would you bet your life on it? You can't go inside their minds and explore their most intimate thoughts.
@emptywithoutjesus Seems that you're the one who's given up, mate! I'm sorry brother, but if you're willing to post 106 VIDEOS preaching about your religion than you should expect to find people who's wiling to disagree with you. If you're not willing to discuss with anyone, you should not post your videos in the first place.
@alexggbr I disagree with your comment. People post videos all the time for different reasons. I chose to respond to videos but I don't have to. And, I know people are going to disagree with me. I don't have a problem with that. I am sure of the change in homosexual to heterosexual behavior so I am done discussing that.
@emptywithoutjesus The thing about responding or not is because you just tried to end the conversation by saying "you are wrong" and that is no way to discuss something. If you aren't willing to do so, you should just say "okay, I don't want to discuss with you anymore, bye bye, best wishes".
@emptywithoutjesus See, what I am looking for it not to upset you or to get upset myself, but to really discuss opinions in a healthy way. My point is: trying to change one's nature is not only an offense to that person, but a waste of time as well. Imagine yourself, a straigh men living into an imaginary world where being gay is the standard, and straight people are hostilized. Imagine them having you into a treatment to make you gay. Do you think that it would work? HONESTLY?
@alexggbr "My point is: trying to change one's nature is not only an offense to that person, but a waste of time as well. " This is where, pardon the offense, but you are completely wrong. And that is why I directed you to that site...for starters. There are books on the subject as well. People that are WILLING to change AREN'T offended. They WANT to change...and they do!
@emptywithoutjesus Very well! And why is it that there are homossexuals who are WILLING to become straight? It is obviously because they are not confortable with being like that. They ARE like that and they do not want to be. Their view of the world and of themselves is different thant what they are. The very existence of gays who are not confortable being such is proof that it's not their choice in the first place. They are what they are, and this is why I don't believe in these conversions.
@alexggbr I agree with you that homosexuals shouldn't be treated wrongly however I do believe it is a sin and I will continually tell others of this sin and the hope of change to any willing to listen. If they want to live together, fine, but don't call it marraige. that would be changing the definition. Understand? I understand you feeling bad for them but most will admit that they know it's wrong. Because it is. It's UN natural. Can you understand that?
@emptywithoutjesus You as a christian have the sole right to think that of homossexuality, as the bible itself if very much clear on this subject. Now we come to an interesting point - what is NATURAL? Is it something that has always existed in mankind and nature? Is it something that happens without the intervention of men ? Then homossexuality is natural, because it's been there for millenia. Of course it is strange for us straights, but it's there.
@alexggbr "Now we come to an interesting point - what is NATURAL?"
Oh good, I love this point. Is it natural for a man to put his penis in a mans rectum? Is this "sex" to you? What are the reproductive organs doing on the male and female if they're not necessary? I mean, a whole reproductive system all for nothing? Why does a man want to dress like a woman and vice versa? Essentially wishing they were the opposite sex, if they're is no scientific evidence to back this up?
@emptywithoutjesus "what is natural" - What I meant to be natural, is the NATURAL occurance. Gay behavior HAPPENS, no matter what we or your god think of it. The rest of your points are pretty much, your VIEWS on the subject.
"If homosexuality is natural why has it not gone extinct within a generation or two?" - Your asertion only proves your lack of knowledge regarding evolution and the evolution of human behavior. You might want to take a look at it before you mention it.
@alexggbr If homosexuality is natural why has it not gone extinct within a generation or two? Love for another human being is one thing, and enjoying their friendship is normal;. Even not having a desire to marry is in some peoples heart, but the minute you tell me they're having "sex", it is UN natural. Basic science.
@emptywithoutjesus About "definitions" - if you call it marriage or sex, it doesn't matter, give it another name then. Whatever. The point here is, you are somehow trying to use science and biology to back up your idea of unnatural, even though you haven't got enough information or knowledge about it, so you shouldn't even bring it up. I can say this from stuff you say on some other videos of yours.
@emptywithoutjesus The difference is that now,they can come out of their closets, unlike family heads and priests of yore. Remember that in the 1800's this conversation would be about black people! And now, in the 21st century, we all know that there is NO REASON, AT ALL that will ever justify discrimination by race, or slavery. Times are changing, and christians should catch up. Just to make it clear, I am straight, and I believe the strange idea that everyone have the right to be theirselves.
@alexggbr I don't submit to any priest. The priest hood is unbiblical. Religion is a bondage used to control people. Please don't compare the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement and insult African American like that. The Africans were treated despicably. Homosexuals have all the rights of US citizens except marraige (except for a few states). And they work in all areas of society. Big difference. Unless I see a "homosexual only" water fountain, it's not the same.
@emptywithoutjesus This is precisely the point. Homossexuals have got an immense amount of rights and recognition towards society, and yet here are you christians trying to come up with "methods" to make them straight. What's the point anyway? Gays who want to be straight should have psycological care, only. If such care results on making the person straight, fine. If it makes one accept oneself as gay, fine too. As long as inner happiness is achieved, I think it's the right path.
@emptywithoutjesus About priests, I only gave an example that gays are everywhere, even amongst christian and religious people.
"Because He allows free will. Starting over with free will again will most likely result in the same thing"
Then we're damned and that's it. We were "made" like that. I'm okay with being unperfect. Why shouldn't my "creator" ? Why not make us perfect in the first place? If he had so, we would have never gone the path of sin in to begin with.
@emptywithoutjesus Now I got another question. If Yaweh does exist, and he's the supreme almighty, he's all love and forgiveness, why can't he let it all go and just make it so that we go back to not be born with a sin nature? That should be piece of cake for a deity who has made the entire universe out of the blue. Everybody wins. How about that?
@alexggbr" If Yaweh does exist, and he's the supreme almighty, he's all love and forgiveness, why can't he let it all go and just make it so that we go back to not be born with a sin nature?"
Because He allows free will. Starting over with free will again will most likely result in the same thing.
@emptywithoutjesus Free will is just a cute name christians give to the obvious. That we can do whatever we please and face the consequences. That's how life is, no one needs a god or a whole religion to know that. It's just the obvious. If I study I'll probably be successful. If I spend my days getting stoned, I'll make nothing of my life. If I'm a jackass, then I'll have no friends and ppl will dislike me. Se...consequences.
You are the dumb schmuck that grips tightly to that vile filthy despicable book which contains the even worse Pre-Jesus books that outline the hideously reprehensible nature of the filthy fantasy being that you worship.
Your God is disgusting, the book believed to be written by him and his spokesmen is disgusting, and those who hold onto that, believe it, and worship it are disgusting. Absolute filth.
I am HAPPY to be working to remove the affliction of your religion from the world.
emptywithoutjesus...do you adhere to, or hold to a "statement of faith"? If so, we can all see why you defend your bible and your god....because you must!!
Try letting go of it for a week, and read some Science books. If you do that and still defend your bible and your god, then your statement of faith has a pretty powerful hold on you.
Ever heard of the phrase "head in the sand" that is what I see with you, and listen, you can go about saying "word of god" all you want ... it means nothing. Why do you supose blah blah blah bible verses means a thing to people who do not think it is the word of god. And, the old argument "they are not true christians" is stupid.
Oh one last thing, we dont hate the bible, we hate the way guys like you read into it what you want out of it and are too blinded to past your tiny world.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
If you are saying that if you don't completely beleive in the bible you are not a true Christian then why are you not in jail right now for doing Jesus's will? I think the reason is that you are a hypocrite by your own definition.
True Christian? Oh, I see, the video poster's with Landover Baptist Church. I see, it's all a big joke. Ha ha. Wow, you had me going. Say hi to Betty Bowers for me.
Dude you dont get it, people who left your religion are not mad at god, they are mad that guys like you say "you where not really saved" and then start puking bible verses out to prove. It is insultive, and demeans the real life experience of the person, it shows you dont care to hear what others have to say and want only to beat them about the head with your own idealisms.
So how do you tell if someone rejected the true gospel and holy spirit from one who rejected a false representation presented by religious hypocrites?
I can't be 100% sure but it is likely the case when someone totally rejects God after once spending time in the fellowship. their belief was merely intellectual and not spiritual. Jesus said we would know people by the fruit they produce. It's not a matter of judging but rather inspecting. The Bible gives us guidelines for us to follow, but this following Christ must be done out of a heart of love, not just (or only) strict law keeping.
The moment you mentioned the bible I switched off. Don't you see the the vodoo magic religion thing is fundamentally empty. And where do you get off quoting a work of fiction, it's so patronizing, you might as well quote Harry Potter. Enjoy your magic stories. Peace!
You are a sinner and the Bible declares that all men need salvation through Jesus Christ who was and is God. I hope you come to accept that fact one day.
@eopyk: you see, "you" don't "get it" one "cannot" be born again and then fall from Christianity.
It allows people to fall off the wagon, and get back on countless times.
One can "prove" anything if they start out with a fals premise.
Emptywithoutjesus is defining Scotsman as those incaple of commiting crimes to start out. If you accept that premise, it doesn't look like a logical fallacy. (even though it is 99.999% likely that the premise is false)
Hearing people like this are one of the reasons I'm on anti-depressants.
I suppose this video isn't aimed at people like myself. Just a bunch of reading and what seems to be misinterpretation mixed in a blender. I suppose there isn't much else to do with a tiny book that is suppose to explain everything.
@sadicious Suppose you give your life to Jesus Christ and ask Him to take away your depression and He does, like He did mine? Regardlesss if He does it or not, He is real and you will meet Him one day. I hope you seek Him out.
@sadicious " Hearing people like this are one of the reasons I'm on anti-depressants"
I am very sorry to hear that. The Bible shows us the way to everlasting life. don't let me or anyone else mess that up for you. Seek God in the privacy of your home and He will speak to you. Trust Him in your heart, repent, and receive. he loves you and is waiting to come to all of those who are weary and heavy laden.
In my experience, people who are nominally religious become more religious when times get tough. The community of the church and the comfort of an all-loving god. It'd why when there's disasters, there are missionaries there not only with food and shelter, but with the gospel.
I took my faith very seriously, So seriously, in fact, that I thought that everything in the bible could be tested and proven true, beyond reasonable doubt.
I understand the position you're in. As a Christian, you have to rely on the Scriptures for your understanding, and they are pretty clear on this issue.
I just wish you could somehow understand that our experiences really were genuine. Maybe someday.
Just a note on Scripture reading in videos like this: Most of us ex-Christians are very familiar with the passages you read, so it may be enough just to include a reference. Take care!
"I'm not claiming to know your situation" at 0:52
So you then go on to make a 10 minute video based on what?
I honestly have to put this to you: Who do you think you are, that you have any right to judge someone else's belief and the extent to which they believed in their God?
Additionally, i think you should take the arguments Atheists make seriously, your portrayal of what they've said shows little to no consideration for what's been said.
"I am basing my judgements on the may atheists I have talked with. If you do not fall into this catagory, then simply move on. "
But that doesn't excuse your mocking other people's point of view, and i stand by that you should at least portray yourself taking their perspectives more seriously.
@LJonesy2 "Who do you think you are, that you have any right to judge someone else's belief and the extent to which they believed in their God?" Because I speak to Atheists that make this claim and the BIble can explain it.
Look up "No true Scotsman fallacy." Please. Who are you to suggest who is a 'true' Christian or not? Even if I were Christian myself I would find that insulting.
Furthermore, I would argue that defecting from faith is not hypocritical in the least. Life happens, and people and their beliefs change. There is nothing hypocritical about that at all.
The problem is that for most Christians, the Bible trumps any other possible source of knowledge, and there is no Biblical support for the idea that you can be a True Christian(TM) and lose your faith for honest reasons. So they will reject out of hand any claims we could make to the contrary.
That's why I usually open conversations with an account of my Christian life; for a Christian to admit that maybe the Bible is wrong about this issue is likely a huge step towards an open mind.
Again your commiting the fallacy . When you say that people who have left Christianity never where real Christian it is ''No true Scotsman fallacy'' Because A many of those where Christiand did have strong faith and B you cannot define what a Christian is because of all the interpitations and variations. The only thing that defines a Christians is the belife that Jesus is the lord and savoiur and the sun of god who dies for our sins and the Bible is the inspired written word of god.
@Eopyk "When you say that people who have left Christianity never where real Christian it is ''No true Scotsman fallacy''"
Please see my video on the NTS fallacy I'm accused of.
"The only thing that defines a Christians is the belife that Jesus is the lord and savoiur and the sun of god who dies for our sins and the Bible is the inspired written word of god."
Not exactly.
John 3:3
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "
@emptywithoutjesus Yeah and being born again means becoming a beliver and getting faith one can lose that faith when one stops to belive in it. Simple as that nothing more to it.
No True Scotsman fallacy is precisely what is going on here, and I'm sorry you don't agree. If it helps any, Youtube user TheraminTrees has a really excellent video about the fallacy and exactly how it is relevant to this subject. He explains it much better than I could in one of these short comments.
Interesting, I didn't realize the word "Christian" was in the bible, much less had a clear definition.
Without having direct access to someone else's personal experience, I can say that my experience did line up with all the "true Christians" that I know, at least in their descriptions of their walk with Christ. It seems a little pointless to me for God to give me a realistic simulation of a "born again experience" without actually sealing me for the day of redemption.
Just because some christians aren't true christians does not mean that I, King Heathen, or anyone else was not a trure christian before giving their beliefs. I opened my eyes to the truth and gave up the sincere, but deluded beliefs of my first 27 years to become an atheist.
Your mind is your enemy, if you silence it, there is nothing, if there is, then it's not god, it's insanity, your constant rambling distracts you from the truth that you're alone.
And in order to believe that you can discern right from wrong, you have to believe that it is IN you to be able to do that. And the only way that can be there is by design. God. Not an explosion or a monkey.
So that must mean that if there is evil, there must be good.
How do you know if something is right or wrong?
Well if I punched someone in the face for no reason it is WRONG. If I give someone food who needs it almost everyone would say it`s GOOD.
So how do we know right from wrong?
In every person is a conscience, moral law. Now if you believe there is good and evil in the world, than you have to believe that you can discern what is right/wrong.
@0Gimmick The Bible clearly tells us what aChristian is suppossed to be and act like. it tells of the experience we have in the Spirit when we truly make this decision. They rejected God by their own will and never were a Christian.
Out of curiosity, emptywithoutjesus, what would it take to convince you that a given ex-Christian really *was* a true Christian with a true walk of faith, but deconverted for sincere and honest (if, to your mind, ultimately incorrect) reasons?
@Vic92084 Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and they know me. It also says we are sealed by the Holy spirit till the day of redemption. if you reject someone you know, I mean deny he even exists, did you really know him?
Speaking from my own experience, I still believe Jesus existed, but I don't believe he had all the attributes asserted by Christianity. So by analogy, I knew somebody, learned he had lower-ranking than I thought (co-worker rather than CEO, let's say), and therefore revised my opinion of him. At no point did I cease knowing him.
But I'd really appreciate if you could actually answer the question I asked. What would it take to convince you an ex-Christian really DID used to be a true Christian?
@Vic92084 " Speaking from my own experience, I still believe Jesus existed, but I don't believe he had all the attributes asserted by Christianity."
Believing He existed and experiencing Him supernaturally are 2 different things.You know Him by what he did for you and believing it. Did you ever know why He died?
"What would it take to convince you an ex-Christian really DID used to be a true Christian?"
Nothing. An ex Christian is someone that went to church. NOT someone that was born again.
@emptywithoutjesus I certainly experienced Jesus and was born again. I believed Jesus died for our sins, and through faith experienced forgiveness and rebirth as a Christian. In hindsight, of course, with my new worldview, I no longer regard those experiences as supernatural.
Unfortunately, however, since there is nothing -- even the testimony of other Christian churches -- that could convince you that you're wrong about "true Christians," meaningful dialogue is impossible at this point. :-/
@nutsinthecoco A person is born again one they open their heart to Christ by accepting the fact that they've sinned against God and that Jesus paid the penalty for that sin. When we acknowledge that, we receive Christ and are born again. We no longer have to "Try" to be a Christian. We ARE one.
You smarmy, arrogant, presumptuous, asinine, ignorant, bigoted jackass! How dare you question my former sincerity. How dare you prevaricate to tell me what I was, wasn't, am or will be. How dare you, sir! Your monumental hypocrisy astounds in it's depth, breadth, width, and intensity. Your glaring prejudice shines out from every pore, every facial expression and oozes from your pores like a malignant urine. I hope, one day, someone from another Xtian sect shows you the same prejudice.
We understand your motivations are pure (and very admirable in my opinion, only a monster can sit quiet while people are going to hell), but you're still being intellectually dishonest. To some, that is extremely offensive, especially those that don't understand your motivations.
Heck, I understand your motivations and I'm still a bit offended by the arrogance with which you seem to dismiss my experience. Can't be helped, I guess, it looks doubtful you'll back down any.
My friend, if I told you I used to be a true belivin' Republican but am now a Democrat, you would believe my convictions had sincerely changed for whatever reason.
But when I say I used to be a true believin' Christian but am now not a Christian, then you believe my convictions were fake the whole time.
I don't think all Christians are hypocrites. I don't think all Christians are immoral. I *was* a true believer. I loved my faith and have never lived a worldly life.
My morality has not substantially changed. My politics have not substantially changed. The only thing that changed was that I realized that my faith was not intellectually defensible, and so in honesty I could no longer keep it.
It was incredibly hard to take that step and give up my faith. I still would love for Christianity to be true. I changed not because of emotion, but on pure honesty and conviction.
And you dare call my faith false. You should be ashamed of yourself.
@Vic92084 "The only thing that changed was that I realized that my faith was not intellectually defensible, and so in honesty I could no longer keep it"
Faith in God and particularly Christ is an experience, not an intellectual decision. Although logic, reason, and intellect can lead you there (and it has for many), believing that we are a sinners and that Christ died to set us free from our sin and give us eternal life, and then receiving Him by faith is what makes the person a Christian.
Could be the problem right there. You need to love your LORD who died for you. You wouldn't want to leave someone you owe your life to. Heck, most people will never leave a doctor that pulled off a difficult surgery. It's loyalty. Indebted to him for their life. The same is true for Jesus Christ. Beyond our intellect, into our heart we view the stains of our sinful life. We all stand guilty before God.
@emptywithoutjesus Life and history, to say nothing of science, have repeatedly demonstrated that experiences very often give us a wrong impression. I believed I was a sinner, believed that Christ died to free us from sin, and received him by faith. I loved God and would gladly have been martyred for his name's sake. But my faith and love eventually conflicted with what I could show to be true. Knowing how fallible experience can be, I had to trust evidence over experience. But I WAS CHRISTIAN.
I fully accept that I probably never had the kind of belief, and certainly not the faith, that you and especially any fundy has. But to say that means I was never a true Christian is disingenuous. By the same reasoning I can easily claim that Cameron was never a true Atheist before he became a Christian. The reality is that at the time I would have listened and agreed with everything you might have to say, and whether or not I was a true Christian, you wouldn't have been able to determine it.
" I fully accept that I probably never had the kind of belief, and certainly not the faith, that you and especially any fundy has. But to say that means I was never a true Christian is disingenuous"
A true Christian is someone that agrees with God that they are a sinner and has been baptized by the Holy spirit and is thus born again. This is seen by the obvious change in a persons life. A true change that exhibits hungering and thirsting for righteousness, not just attending church.
I used to be fanatical and now I'm atheist. If you told me I was not a Christian, I would have been really offended. And if you told me that I'll one day be an atheist, I would have laughed, because I *knew* God existed.
@diegopmc "And if you told me that I'll one day be an atheist, I would have laughed, because I *knew* God existed."
KNOWING God exists and experiencing God in your life are 2 different things. Many people believe God exists, but receiving Christ in your heart and being born again are experiences that you can't walk away from.
AOG is the dumbest chrisian sect ever, and they are all fucking stupid but it is number 1.
i read 1 of their pamphlets once. it said "some people say our church is new (and i guess less credible because its not as old as others)....but we are over 50 years old. lol
wow thats as old as scientology. lets compare that to catholics which is almost 2000 years old and is still considered a "new" religion compared to Hinduism ect
AHH! Please stop saying these things! Don't assume I hate hearing the Bible, and don't assume I was never a "real" Christian. Just because my own beliefs have led me in a different direction than you doesn't mean I invalidate your beliefs, or that you should invalidate others.
Also, on a purely technical note, what is with the frequent popping sound in the audio portion? It's somewhat distracting.
You talk about True Christians™ and then you celebrate Christmas in direct opposition to the teachings in your own Bible.
Even Paul's gospel contradicts Jesus in many ways but yet you follow his teachings in direct opposition to the words of Jesus. You're nothing but a Cafeteria Christian picking and choosing what makes sense to you and then when someone disagrees with you, you claim they were never a Christian.
The best reason for becoming an atheist is that Yaweh is a vicious and jealous monster ^_^ Have you actually read the whole bible? I haven't committed genocide of infanticide. I've never destroyed a planet because a few monkeys annoyed me.
Creationism is the devil's shiny new toy as well. It detracts from what really exists.
wat you said about people not being "true" christians is true, but lets be honest all christians pick and choose wat they wanna do and believe themselves to be true christians. Those bigots who are in god hates fags and those who used to lynch black people considered themselves true christians i bet. I would have no problem if people acted like jesus said, but they don't. And i was lucky growing up because my parents never took me to church and i couldn't believe even if i wanted to.
"and; behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.'"
Why not reflect on that a while before you crucify anybody else LIAR!
You are not a Christian and you don't even understand the message . You constantly pass judment on Atheists.:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;
I am not judging dude. You will know them by their fruit. if I hold an apple in my hand and call it a banana am I being judgmental? No. i am declaring the obvious. I am providing the evidence of their faith. plain and simple and you don't like it. I understand. It is a weak faith and needs to be defended to survive.
No, as I am judging you so you are judging Atheists. But for me it does not matter. For you.. well as you know you will be judged by the same measure that you use. If it turns out you are right about heaven and hell, with all the lies, judgements and encouragements to hate you commit, you are going to burn for all eternity.
I used to be a christian and I can't believe I used to waste the best years of my life listening to exactly this kind of bullshit.
If refusing to believe that I am not spiritually broken in any way and do not need fixing (for a price of course) by anyone makes me a hypocrite in your eyes, then so be it.
Screw you and your death insurance, you evil parasite. Religion is supported by it's followers. It gives nothing, it just sucks all the joy of life and money out of it's followers.
that simply doesnt make sense, a true christian is non existant. a christian follows the teachings of jesus christ. an atheist can convert into christianity, but not vice versa? does that make sense to you? doesnt to me, but thats just me.
@StaulkHolm "an atheist can convert into Christianity, but not vice versa? does that make sense to you? Doesn't to me, but thats just me."
A Christians conversion is a supernatural experience. Being born again. A Christian that "leaves" Christianity has left a church, association, meeting place, denomination, but NOT hte Lord. It's Impossible because He lives inside of us.
Now as a true Christian you would have found the truth in Christ and as such you would not turn away from the truth. Thus if you turn away from Christ you obviously had not found that truth in him, but something acceptable. Unlike stated by the aggressive atheist this is nothing to do with free will but there is no logic in turning away from the truth. You can of course do it but as you are now aware of consequences cause u know the truth, to deny it will be a painful self made hell.
fourteatwo 3 weeks ago
stop circular reasoning!!!! dont quotre from bible
117DieHard 1 month ago
okay..now i have a question..why was Exodus 22.18 changed? there are plenty of hypocrisies in the bible.. it is not a book but a collection of stories that was put together to make it look like its infallible which in truth it is not..
AuronMazusWolf 1 month ago
Your video is very unclear. Passages that go to the definition and clarity of belief are irrelevant. People of all levels of devoutness can later on come to believe Christianity is untrue.
The fact that the Bible says people won't change their mind is irrelevant. Yes, we violate this passage,and at this point we stop being Christian. It has no bearing on who we were or what we believed until that point, which is the only period in which we claim we were Christian.
AstoriaRego 2 months ago
Yes, defining a Scotsman is different than defining a Christian, but that doesn't mean your argument isn't a prime example of the fallacy. Christians are directed not to commit sins, but that doesn't mean that they stop being Christian when they fall short. Christians are defined by what they believe, not how they behave. You can say they are not *good* Christians, but you don't have the right to change the definition of the word because it suits you.
AstoriaRego 2 months ago
The term "true Christian" is meaningless. You say that "true Christians" wouldn't persecute and kill. Fundamentalists take the word of the Bible literally and they do persecute, would kill, and would call you not a "true Christian." A Roman Catholic would call a Protestant not a "true Christian" and vise versa. Its only use is to use it to cover up the inconsistencies of Christianity.
lunarpoetry1015 4 months ago
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lunarpoetry1015 4 months ago
You're not a "true" christian! The only videos I've seen on here with "true" christians are the westboro church, jesus camp and the parody of the landover baptist church. How dare you speak in such a way about the inquisition (true christians) Salem witch trials true christians. True christians hate fags and burn witches. True muslims fly plane into buildings and strap-on suicide bombs. That's the true face of insanity and religion!
somethingdiffereable 5 months ago
Is the popcorn ready??
guidobela 6 months ago
whats a 'christian'?..only a label given to man from man...Christ called me a child of God and that is what i will continue to call myself...-a-z-
simall09 6 months ago
The no true scotsman fallacy. Circular logic of quoting scripture. You can't find a xian that can think logically. Once they start, they become atheists.
USSNIMITZCVAN68 8 months ago
You forgot to put "mybrainis" before you name. I believe your name should my mybrainisemptywithjesus.
C00lblkatheist 11 months ago
of course people are going to fall away..as soon as people see threw the lies and the fear mongering......PRAISE ME OR YOU BE TORN APART AND BURN FOREVER AND EVER!!!....now...you gonna worship me cause i can tell you the out comes of lies........keep following your devils.......i don't want to be with all you air head losers living in a desert..with the heaven on earth over in the middle east...go a learn how to read and understand what you read...its evil and the devils as you brainwashed idiot
chucka59 1 year ago
@Kwinnky No. The Bible says you can Know. Did you have a change of heart or just agree with most of it in your head?
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus uhm, ive been thinking for awhile. "God" "made" us all equals right? like no-one is better then the other guy standing next to them. well, why does "god" get all this worship, why does he make the whole what is a sin and what isnt?
and i wanna know do you hate gay people? Do u personaly think it should be a sin to be gay?
x
Carley6200 1 year ago
@Carley6200 I don't hate gay people or anybody for that matter. I love everyone and care deeply for them. This is proven in my constant warning them of the end and the judgements of God. Homosexuality is a sin, like many other selfish desires. Some of my closest friends WERE Gay.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus Bad news for your friends, they probably still are gay. You can't tell because you can't read their minds. I have a question for you. Let's assume that god DOES exist and that he is perfect. As a perfect deity and a creator, he wouldn't do anything by MISTAKE, as he does no mistakes, ever. Thus he made gay people gay on purpose, not by accident. So, my qustion is, what's the point of that? Why create something in a way that you don't approve in the first place?
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr I KNOW they're not gay because they've lived for years before they were gay, NOT being gay, and they've lived for years after, NOT being gay. Being gay is a decision. God did not make anyone gay. His original creation was perfect. Sin has marred all of His perfect creation. Now we are all born with a sin nature. please see exodus international for more on what I am saying.
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus What I am saying is that no heterosexual man will ever "Experiment" on being Gay, ever. If one leads a gay life for any amount of time, this is about one's nature, not one's decision. Sexuality is not like a musical preference! No heterossexual man will ever "decide" to be gay. You can't KNOW they're not gay anymore, no matter how much you believe that. Would you bet your life on it? You can't go inside their minds and explore their most intimate thoughts.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr Give it up alex. You're wrong. Go to exodus international for proof. Goodbye.
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus Seems that you're the one who's given up, mate! I'm sorry brother, but if you're willing to post 106 VIDEOS preaching about your religion than you should expect to find people who's wiling to disagree with you. If you're not willing to discuss with anyone, you should not post your videos in the first place.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr I disagree with your comment. People post videos all the time for different reasons. I chose to respond to videos but I don't have to. And, I know people are going to disagree with me. I don't have a problem with that. I am sure of the change in homosexual to heterosexual behavior so I am done discussing that.
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus The thing about responding or not is because you just tried to end the conversation by saying "you are wrong" and that is no way to discuss something. If you aren't willing to do so, you should just say "okay, I don't want to discuss with you anymore, bye bye, best wishes".
alexggbr 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus See, what I am looking for it not to upset you or to get upset myself, but to really discuss opinions in a healthy way. My point is: trying to change one's nature is not only an offense to that person, but a waste of time as well. Imagine yourself, a straigh men living into an imaginary world where being gay is the standard, and straight people are hostilized. Imagine them having you into a treatment to make you gay. Do you think that it would work? HONESTLY?
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr "My point is: trying to change one's nature is not only an offense to that person, but a waste of time as well. " This is where, pardon the offense, but you are completely wrong. And that is why I directed you to that site...for starters. There are books on the subject as well. People that are WILLING to change AREN'T offended. They WANT to change...and they do!
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus Very well! And why is it that there are homossexuals who are WILLING to become straight? It is obviously because they are not confortable with being like that. They ARE like that and they do not want to be. Their view of the world and of themselves is different thant what they are. The very existence of gays who are not confortable being such is proof that it's not their choice in the first place. They are what they are, and this is why I don't believe in these conversions.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr I agree with you that homosexuals shouldn't be treated wrongly however I do believe it is a sin and I will continually tell others of this sin and the hope of change to any willing to listen. If they want to live together, fine, but don't call it marraige. that would be changing the definition. Understand? I understand you feeling bad for them but most will admit that they know it's wrong. Because it is. It's UN natural. Can you understand that?
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus You as a christian have the sole right to think that of homossexuality, as the bible itself if very much clear on this subject. Now we come to an interesting point - what is NATURAL? Is it something that has always existed in mankind and nature? Is it something that happens without the intervention of men ? Then homossexuality is natural, because it's been there for millenia. Of course it is strange for us straights, but it's there.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr "Now we come to an interesting point - what is NATURAL?"
Oh good, I love this point. Is it natural for a man to put his penis in a mans rectum? Is this "sex" to you? What are the reproductive organs doing on the male and female if they're not necessary? I mean, a whole reproductive system all for nothing? Why does a man want to dress like a woman and vice versa? Essentially wishing they were the opposite sex, if they're is no scientific evidence to back this up?
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus "what is natural" - What I meant to be natural, is the NATURAL occurance. Gay behavior HAPPENS, no matter what we or your god think of it. The rest of your points are pretty much, your VIEWS on the subject.
"If homosexuality is natural why has it not gone extinct within a generation or two?" - Your asertion only proves your lack of knowledge regarding evolution and the evolution of human behavior. You might want to take a look at it before you mention it.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr If homosexuality is natural why has it not gone extinct within a generation or two? Love for another human being is one thing, and enjoying their friendship is normal;. Even not having a desire to marry is in some peoples heart, but the minute you tell me they're having "sex", it is UN natural. Basic science.
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus About "definitions" - if you call it marriage or sex, it doesn't matter, give it another name then. Whatever. The point here is, you are somehow trying to use science and biology to back up your idea of unnatural, even though you haven't got enough information or knowledge about it, so you shouldn't even bring it up. I can say this from stuff you say on some other videos of yours.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus The difference is that now,they can come out of their closets, unlike family heads and priests of yore. Remember that in the 1800's this conversation would be about black people! And now, in the 21st century, we all know that there is NO REASON, AT ALL that will ever justify discrimination by race, or slavery. Times are changing, and christians should catch up. Just to make it clear, I am straight, and I believe the strange idea that everyone have the right to be theirselves.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr I don't submit to any priest. The priest hood is unbiblical. Religion is a bondage used to control people. Please don't compare the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement and insult African American like that. The Africans were treated despicably. Homosexuals have all the rights of US citizens except marraige (except for a few states). And they work in all areas of society. Big difference. Unless I see a "homosexual only" water fountain, it's not the same.
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus This is precisely the point. Homossexuals have got an immense amount of rights and recognition towards society, and yet here are you christians trying to come up with "methods" to make them straight. What's the point anyway? Gays who want to be straight should have psycological care, only. If such care results on making the person straight, fine. If it makes one accept oneself as gay, fine too. As long as inner happiness is achieved, I think it's the right path.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus About priests, I only gave an example that gays are everywhere, even amongst christian and religious people.
"Because He allows free will. Starting over with free will again will most likely result in the same thing"
Then we're damned and that's it. We were "made" like that. I'm okay with being unperfect. Why shouldn't my "creator" ? Why not make us perfect in the first place? If he had so, we would have never gone the path of sin in to begin with.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus Now I got another question. If Yaweh does exist, and he's the supreme almighty, he's all love and forgiveness, why can't he let it all go and just make it so that we go back to not be born with a sin nature? That should be piece of cake for a deity who has made the entire universe out of the blue. Everybody wins. How about that?
alexggbr 8 months ago
@alexggbr" If Yaweh does exist, and he's the supreme almighty, he's all love and forgiveness, why can't he let it all go and just make it so that we go back to not be born with a sin nature?"
Because He allows free will. Starting over with free will again will most likely result in the same thing.
emptywithoutjesus 8 months ago
@emptywithoutjesus Free will is just a cute name christians give to the obvious. That we can do whatever we please and face the consequences. That's how life is, no one needs a god or a whole religion to know that. It's just the obvious. If I study I'll probably be successful. If I spend my days getting stoned, I'll make nothing of my life. If I'm a jackass, then I'll have no friends and ppl will dislike me. Se...consequences.
alexggbr 8 months ago
@Kwinnky No. I am saying they were never a Christian as defined in the Word of God.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@Kwinnky My friend, being a Christian involves a change of heart. Being born again, not good works. Matthew 7:22-24
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
Thank you :)
Domodeath 1 year ago
in response to your comment: your god does not exist, only the concept of god.
StaulkHolm 1 year ago
@CaffeinatedThinking " Oh man, are you not aware of the No True Scottsman Fallacy?"
Did a video on this. Look at it.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
You are the dumb schmuck that grips tightly to that vile filthy despicable book which contains the even worse Pre-Jesus books that outline the hideously reprehensible nature of the filthy fantasy being that you worship.
Your God is disgusting, the book believed to be written by him and his spokesmen is disgusting, and those who hold onto that, believe it, and worship it are disgusting. Absolute filth.
I am HAPPY to be working to remove the affliction of your religion from the world.
EmeraldView 1 year ago
@EmeraldView How ya doin Satan! Alive and well i see! Bottomless pit, remember?
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus Don't forget to learn more about the vile thing your worship at EvilBible (dot ) com.
Untimely deaths attributed to God in the Bible: Over 2 million!
Deaths attributed to his fantasy counterpart, Satan: A measly 10.
Are you sure you're worshiping the right being? Maybe you ought to get Satan's side of the story before you make up your mind.
EmeraldView 1 year ago
emptywithoutjesus...do you adhere to, or hold to a "statement of faith"? If so, we can all see why you defend your bible and your god....because you must!!
Try letting go of it for a week, and read some Science books. If you do that and still defend your bible and your god, then your statement of faith has a pretty powerful hold on you.
EddieSchultz62 1 year ago
Ever heard of the phrase "head in the sand" that is what I see with you, and listen, you can go about saying "word of god" all you want ... it means nothing. Why do you supose blah blah blah bible verses means a thing to people who do not think it is the word of god. And, the old argument "they are not true christians" is stupid.
Oh one last thing, we dont hate the bible, we hate the way guys like you read into it what you want out of it and are too blinded to past your tiny world.
givingmantoo 2 years ago
So if the church is full of hypocrites, why even go to Church?
aristottlesdeathwish 2 years ago
@aristottlesdeathwish " So if the church is full of hypocrites, why even go to Church?"
You don't have to. Jesus said the time would come that people would worship Him In "Spirit and in truth", NOT in the church.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
How about studying something that you can actually use. Like a science book???
downtoearth9 2 years ago
Luke 19:27
Jesus say's
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
If you are saying that if you don't completely beleive in the bible you are not a true Christian then why are you not in jail right now for doing Jesus's will? I think the reason is that you are a hypocrite by your own definition.
josermj 2 years ago 2
True Christian? Oh, I see, the video poster's with Landover Baptist Church. I see, it's all a big joke. Ha ha. Wow, you had me going. Say hi to Betty Bowers for me.
luccaskunk 2 years ago
No True Scotsman would commit such a crime.
MinervaInTheBrain 2 years ago 2
@MinervaInTheBrain I already made a video with similar title. Please view it.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
Dude you dont get it, people who left your religion are not mad at god, they are mad that guys like you say "you where not really saved" and then start puking bible verses out to prove. It is insultive, and demeans the real life experience of the person, it shows you dont care to hear what others have to say and want only to beat them about the head with your own idealisms.
givingmantoo 2 years ago 2
So how do you tell if someone rejected the true gospel and holy spirit from one who rejected a false representation presented by religious hypocrites?
synapsidJ 2 years ago
I can't be 100% sure but it is likely the case when someone totally rejects God after once spending time in the fellowship. their belief was merely intellectual and not spiritual. Jesus said we would know people by the fruit they produce. It's not a matter of judging but rather inspecting. The Bible gives us guidelines for us to follow, but this following Christ must be done out of a heart of love, not just (or only) strict law keeping.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
The moment you mentioned the bible I switched off. Don't you see the the vodoo magic religion thing is fundamentally empty. And where do you get off quoting a work of fiction, it's so patronizing, you might as well quote Harry Potter. Enjoy your magic stories. Peace!
skyzthelimi7 2 years ago
You are a sinner and the Bible declares that all men need salvation through Jesus Christ who was and is God. I hope you come to accept that fact one day.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
This video screams one thing, No true scotsman fallacy.
Eopyk 2 years ago
@Eopyk False. What's the definition of a scotsman?
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
@eopyk: you see, "you" don't "get it" one "cannot" be born again and then fall from Christianity.
It allows people to fall off the wagon, and get back on countless times.
One can "prove" anything if they start out with a fals premise.
Emptywithoutjesus is defining Scotsman as those incaple of commiting crimes to start out. If you accept that premise, it doesn't look like a logical fallacy. (even though it is 99.999% likely that the premise is false)
MinervaInTheBrain 2 years ago
@Eopyk Please see the video I did regarding the NTS fallacy I'm accused of.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
Hearing people like this are one of the reasons I'm on anti-depressants.
I suppose this video isn't aimed at people like myself. Just a bunch of reading and what seems to be misinterpretation mixed in a blender. I suppose there isn't much else to do with a tiny book that is suppose to explain everything.
sadicious 2 years ago
@sadicious Suppose you give your life to Jesus Christ and ask Him to take away your depression and He does, like He did mine? Regardlesss if He does it or not, He is real and you will meet Him one day. I hope you seek Him out.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
@sadicious " Hearing people like this are one of the reasons I'm on anti-depressants"
I am very sorry to hear that. The Bible shows us the way to everlasting life. don't let me or anyone else mess that up for you. Seek God in the privacy of your home and He will speak to you. Trust Him in your heart, repent, and receive. he loves you and is waiting to come to all of those who are weary and heavy laden.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
In my experience, people who are nominally religious become more religious when times get tough. The community of the church and the comfort of an all-loving god. It'd why when there's disasters, there are missionaries there not only with food and shelter, but with the gospel.
I took my faith very seriously, So seriously, in fact, that I thought that everything in the bible could be tested and proven true, beyond reasonable doubt.
radicalbacon 2 years ago
I understand the position you're in. As a Christian, you have to rely on the Scriptures for your understanding, and they are pretty clear on this issue.
I just wish you could somehow understand that our experiences really were genuine. Maybe someday.
Just a note on Scripture reading in videos like this: Most of us ex-Christians are very familiar with the passages you read, so it may be enough just to include a reference. Take care!
crocoduckhunter 2 years ago 6
@crocoduckhunter "I just wish you could somehow understand that our experiences really were genuine. Maybe someday."
Again, I am not saying that your experiences were genuine, but how could you be born again and then "walk" away from that?
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
"I'm not claiming to know your situation" at 0:52
So you then go on to make a 10 minute video based on what?
I honestly have to put this to you: Who do you think you are, that you have any right to judge someone else's belief and the extent to which they believed in their God?
Additionally, i think you should take the arguments Atheists make seriously, your portrayal of what they've said shows little to no consideration for what's been said.
Respect, do not judge. God is judge, not you.
LJonesy2 2 years ago
"Who do you think you are, that you have any right to judge someone else's belief and the extent to which they believed in their God?"
I am basing my judgements on the may atheists I have talked with. If you do not fall into this catagory, then simply move on.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
"I am basing my judgements on the may atheists I have talked with. If you do not fall into this catagory, then simply move on. "
But that doesn't excuse your mocking other people's point of view, and i stand by that you should at least portray yourself taking their perspectives more seriously.
LJonesy2 2 years ago
@LJonesy2 "Who do you think you are, that you have any right to judge someone else's belief and the extent to which they believed in their God?" Because I speak to Atheists that make this claim and the BIble can explain it.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus
Look up "No true Scotsman fallacy." Please. Who are you to suggest who is a 'true' Christian or not? Even if I were Christian myself I would find that insulting.
Furthermore, I would argue that defecting from faith is not hypocritical in the least. Life happens, and people and their beliefs change. There is nothing hypocritical about that at all.
thedigitalnomad 2 years ago
The problem is that for most Christians, the Bible trumps any other possible source of knowledge, and there is no Biblical support for the idea that you can be a True Christian(TM) and lose your faith for honest reasons. So they will reject out of hand any claims we could make to the contrary.
That's why I usually open conversations with an account of my Christian life; for a Christian to admit that maybe the Bible is wrong about this issue is likely a huge step towards an open mind.
crocoduckhunter 2 years ago 5
@crocoduckhunter See my response above!
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
I'm sorry, which response, to whom? I'm not sure what you want me to look at. Also, which part of my post are you addressing?
crocoduckhunter 2 years ago
@crocoduckhunter "there is no Biblical support for the idea that you can be a True Christian(TM) and lose your faith for honest reasons."
Yes there is. Please see some of my other comments.
The Bible shows us that we are all sinners. It actually confirms what we already know. We can't be good, 100%. You know that.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
"Look up "No true Scotsman fallacy." Please. Who are you to suggest who is a 'true' Christian or not?"
NTS fallicy doesn't hold weight in this regard when the DEFINITION of a Christian can be found in the Bible. What is the definition of a scottsman?
Christianity is more than a belief. It is a born again experience-a change. You don't "change beliefs" at whim after an experience.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
Again your commiting the fallacy . When you say that people who have left Christianity never where real Christian it is ''No true Scotsman fallacy'' Because A many of those where Christiand did have strong faith and B you cannot define what a Christian is because of all the interpitations and variations. The only thing that defines a Christians is the belife that Jesus is the lord and savoiur and the sun of god who dies for our sins and the Bible is the inspired written word of god.
Eopyk 2 years ago
@Eopyk "When you say that people who have left Christianity never where real Christian it is ''No true Scotsman fallacy''"
Please see my video on the NTS fallacy I'm accused of.
"The only thing that defines a Christians is the belife that Jesus is the lord and savoiur and the sun of god who dies for our sins and the Bible is the inspired written word of god."
Not exactly.
John 3:3
In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus Yeah and being born again means becoming a beliver and getting faith one can lose that faith when one stops to belive in it. Simple as that nothing more to it.
Eopyk 1 year ago
No True Scotsman fallacy is precisely what is going on here, and I'm sorry you don't agree. If it helps any, Youtube user TheraminTrees has a really excellent video about the fallacy and exactly how it is relevant to this subject. He explains it much better than I could in one of these short comments.
thedigitalnomad 2 years ago
@thedigitalnomad Please see my video on the NTS fallacy I'm accused of.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
Interesting, I didn't realize the word "Christian" was in the bible, much less had a clear definition.
Without having direct access to someone else's personal experience, I can say that my experience did line up with all the "true Christians" that I know, at least in their descriptions of their walk with Christ. It seems a little pointless to me for God to give me a realistic simulation of a "born again experience" without actually sealing me for the day of redemption.
crocoduckhunter 2 years ago
@crocoduckhunter The word Christian is not in the Bible becasue it means follower of Christ, which is clearly shown in the Bible.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@thedigitalnomad Please see the video I did regarding the NTS fallacy I'm accused of.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
Just because some christians aren't true christians does not mean that I, King Heathen, or anyone else was not a trure christian before giving their beliefs. I opened my eyes to the truth and gave up the sincere, but deluded beliefs of my first 27 years to become an atheist.
dbradusc1 2 years ago 3
Your mind is your enemy, if you silence it, there is nothing, if there is, then it's not god, it's insanity, your constant rambling distracts you from the truth that you're alone.
EvilBproductions 2 years ago 2
And in order to believe that you can discern right from wrong, you have to believe that it is IN you to be able to do that. And the only way that can be there is by design. God. Not an explosion or a monkey.
littledrummerboy3225 2 years ago
is there evil in the world? Yes.
So that must mean that if there is evil, there must be good.
How do you know if something is right or wrong?
Well if I punched someone in the face for no reason it is WRONG. If I give someone food who needs it almost everyone would say it`s GOOD.
So how do we know right from wrong?
In every person is a conscience, moral law. Now if you believe there is good and evil in the world, than you have to believe that you can discern what is right/wrong.
littledrummerboy3225 2 years ago
Do uber religious people read anything besides the bible? History books? Books on debate? i mean even fking Wikipedia c'mon.
This true christian argument is full of so much fail and has been proven wrong so many times its just funny that its still used.
0Gimmick 2 years ago 3
Some do, like me.... Who then ended up becoming Atheist
LJonesy2 2 years ago
ahahaha well arnt you a bowl full of awesome :3
0Gimmick 2 years ago
Shit yeah ^_^
LJonesy2 2 years ago
@LJonesy2 If I told you I read a book about evolution and became a Christian what would you tell me?
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
I'd say "Good for you"
LJonesy2 2 years ago
@0Gimmick The Bible clearly tells us what aChristian is suppossed to be and act like. it tells of the experience we have in the Spirit when we truly make this decision. They rejected God by their own will and never were a Christian.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
For every kind of christian there are at least one other kind that say they are not a real christian.
There will always be someone that look forward to se you burn in hell.
Faidros62 2 years ago
I estimate 99.5% of atheists don't believe in Satan. The other 0.5% are idiots.
joyork 2 years ago 3
Out of curiosity, emptywithoutjesus, what would it take to convince you that a given ex-Christian really *was* a true Christian with a true walk of faith, but deconverted for sincere and honest (if, to your mind, ultimately incorrect) reasons?
Vic92084 2 years ago 4
@Vic92084 Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and they know me. It also says we are sealed by the Holy spirit till the day of redemption. if you reject someone you know, I mean deny he even exists, did you really know him?
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
Speaking from my own experience, I still believe Jesus existed, but I don't believe he had all the attributes asserted by Christianity. So by analogy, I knew somebody, learned he had lower-ranking than I thought (co-worker rather than CEO, let's say), and therefore revised my opinion of him. At no point did I cease knowing him.
But I'd really appreciate if you could actually answer the question I asked. What would it take to convince you an ex-Christian really DID used to be a true Christian?
Vic92084 2 years ago 2
I think he did answer the question: nothing would. If only he could see the problem with that position.
crocoduckhunter 2 years ago
@Vic92084 " Speaking from my own experience, I still believe Jesus existed, but I don't believe he had all the attributes asserted by Christianity."
Believing He existed and experiencing Him supernaturally are 2 different things.You know Him by what he did for you and believing it. Did you ever know why He died?
"What would it take to convince you an ex-Christian really DID used to be a true Christian?"
Nothing. An ex Christian is someone that went to church. NOT someone that was born again.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus I certainly experienced Jesus and was born again. I believed Jesus died for our sins, and through faith experienced forgiveness and rebirth as a Christian. In hindsight, of course, with my new worldview, I no longer regard those experiences as supernatural.
Unfortunately, however, since there is nothing -- even the testimony of other Christian churches -- that could convince you that you're wrong about "true Christians," meaningful dialogue is impossible at this point. :-/
Vic92084 1 year ago
If you know Atheists hate them, then why use them?
its like..
I know you hate when i puch you, but anyway HAVE ANOTHER ONE!
AroArgumentum 2 years ago
@AroArgumentum " If you know Atheists hate them, then why use them?"
Huh?
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus
I can accept i was never a true believer, although i did try my damnest.
I would like you to watch a series by Evid3nc3, who use to be a genuine born again christian.
you could start with this one
watch?v=JOmSYHzeoNA
Not all cristians are hypocrites, and Evid3nc3 cerntainly was not a one them.
nutsinthecoco 2 years ago 8
@nutsinthecoco A person is born again one they open their heart to Christ by accepting the fact that they've sinned against God and that Jesus paid the penalty for that sin. When we acknowledge that, we receive Christ and are born again. We no longer have to "Try" to be a Christian. We ARE one.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus have you watched the videos i recommended?
nutsinthecoco 1 year ago
@nutsinthecoco NO. Are they posted here somewhere?
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus watch?v=JOmSYHzeoNA
nutsinthecoco 1 year ago
You smarmy, arrogant, presumptuous, asinine, ignorant, bigoted jackass! How dare you question my former sincerity. How dare you prevaricate to tell me what I was, wasn't, am or will be. How dare you, sir! Your monumental hypocrisy astounds in it's depth, breadth, width, and intensity. Your glaring prejudice shines out from every pore, every facial expression and oozes from your pores like a malignant urine. I hope, one day, someone from another Xtian sect shows you the same prejudice.
LordSlag 2 years ago 2
God Bless You! I do this out of love and eternal life!
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
We understand your motivations are pure (and very admirable in my opinion, only a monster can sit quiet while people are going to hell), but you're still being intellectually dishonest. To some, that is extremely offensive, especially those that don't understand your motivations.
Heck, I understand your motivations and I'm still a bit offended by the arrogance with which you seem to dismiss my experience. Can't be helped, I guess, it looks doubtful you'll back down any.
crocoduckhunter 2 years ago
@emptywithoutjesus "I do this out of... eternal life."
Heh. The irony. I love language.
Vic92084 1 year ago
@LordSlag Exodus International. Jesus Loves you.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
My friend, if I told you I used to be a true belivin' Republican but am now a Democrat, you would believe my convictions had sincerely changed for whatever reason.
But when I say I used to be a true believin' Christian but am now not a Christian, then you believe my convictions were fake the whole time.
I don't think all Christians are hypocrites. I don't think all Christians are immoral. I *was* a true believer. I loved my faith and have never lived a worldly life.
(cont'd)
Vic92084 2 years ago
My morality has not substantially changed. My politics have not substantially changed. The only thing that changed was that I realized that my faith was not intellectually defensible, and so in honesty I could no longer keep it.
It was incredibly hard to take that step and give up my faith. I still would love for Christianity to be true. I changed not because of emotion, but on pure honesty and conviction.
And you dare call my faith false. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Vic92084 2 years ago 3
@Vic92084 "The only thing that changed was that I realized that my faith was not intellectually defensible, and so in honesty I could no longer keep it"
Faith in God and particularly Christ is an experience, not an intellectual decision. Although logic, reason, and intellect can lead you there (and it has for many), believing that we are a sinners and that Christ died to set us free from our sin and give us eternal life, and then receiving Him by faith is what makes the person a Christian.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@Vic92084 "I loved my faith "
Could be the problem right there. You need to love your LORD who died for you. You wouldn't want to leave someone you owe your life to. Heck, most people will never leave a doctor that pulled off a difficult surgery. It's loyalty. Indebted to him for their life. The same is true for Jesus Christ. Beyond our intellect, into our heart we view the stains of our sinful life. We all stand guilty before God.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus Life and history, to say nothing of science, have repeatedly demonstrated that experiences very often give us a wrong impression. I believed I was a sinner, believed that Christ died to free us from sin, and received him by faith. I loved God and would gladly have been martyred for his name's sake. But my faith and love eventually conflicted with what I could show to be true. Knowing how fallible experience can be, I had to trust evidence over experience. But I WAS CHRISTIAN.
Vic92084 1 year ago
"some Atheists that say they were Christians, were probably NOT Christians in the first place" - True Scotsman fallacy at work me thinx. FAIL.
TheSpankymonkey 2 years ago 4
@TheSpankymonkey I have made a video regarding the accusations of the NTS fallacy.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus - So, you want a medal or something?
TheSpankymonkey 1 year ago
"emptywithoutjesus" lol please tell me someone has made a joke about this name!?
crisis123456789 2 years ago
look up the No True Scotsman Fallacy, particularly as presented by TheraminTrees.
chaossource 2 years ago 8
@chaossource I have made a video regarding the accusations of the NTS fallacy.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
I fully accept that I probably never had the kind of belief, and certainly not the faith, that you and especially any fundy has. But to say that means I was never a true Christian is disingenuous. By the same reasoning I can easily claim that Cameron was never a true Atheist before he became a Christian. The reality is that at the time I would have listened and agreed with everything you might have to say, and whether or not I was a true Christian, you wouldn't have been able to determine it.
chaossource 2 years ago
" I fully accept that I probably never had the kind of belief, and certainly not the faith, that you and especially any fundy has. But to say that means I was never a true Christian is disingenuous"
A true Christian is someone that agrees with God that they are a sinner and has been baptized by the Holy spirit and is thus born again. This is seen by the obvious change in a persons life. A true change that exhibits hungering and thirsting for righteousness, not just attending church.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
Many people get their view of Christianity from people when they should get their view from Jesus Christ.
The church is filled with imperfect people. Don't expect an imperfect person to be perfect.
caccycacman 2 years ago
Bravo for allowing comments! Most Christians can't handle the criticisms.
jeans1515 2 years ago 6
I used to be fanatical and now I'm atheist. If you told me I was not a Christian, I would have been really offended. And if you told me that I'll one day be an atheist, I would have laughed, because I *knew* God existed.
diegopmc 2 years ago 3
@diegopmc "And if you told me that I'll one day be an atheist, I would have laughed, because I *knew* God existed."
KNOWING God exists and experiencing God in your life are 2 different things. Many people believe God exists, but receiving Christ in your heart and being born again are experiences that you can't walk away from.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
AOG is the dumbest chrisian sect ever, and they are all fucking stupid but it is number 1.
i read 1 of their pamphlets once. it said "some people say our church is new (and i guess less credible because its not as old as others)....but we are over 50 years old. lol
wow thats as old as scientology. lets compare that to catholics which is almost 2000 years old and is still considered a "new" religion compared to Hinduism ect
robertwc82 2 years ago
AHH! Please stop saying these things! Don't assume I hate hearing the Bible, and don't assume I was never a "real" Christian. Just because my own beliefs have led me in a different direction than you doesn't mean I invalidate your beliefs, or that you should invalidate others.
Also, on a purely technical note, what is with the frequent popping sound in the audio portion? It's somewhat distracting.
rchodges 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
"what is with the frequent popping sound in the audio portion? It's somewhat distracting." - It's god static.
TheSpankymonkey 2 years ago
You talk about True Christians™ and then you celebrate Christmas in direct opposition to the teachings in your own Bible.
Even Paul's gospel contradicts Jesus in many ways but yet you follow his teachings in direct opposition to the words of Jesus. You're nothing but a Cafeteria Christian picking and choosing what makes sense to you and then when someone disagrees with you, you claim they were never a Christian.
/rolls eyes
justintempler 2 years ago 3
@justintempler Who said I celebrate Christmas?
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
You did in your video Satan Clause-The imposter.
You tell us Christmas is reserved only for the celebration of Christ's birth", which Real Christians™ is that reserved for? The Jews? sheesh.
justintempler 2 years ago
The best reason for becoming an atheist is that Yaweh is a vicious and jealous monster ^_^ Have you actually read the whole bible? I haven't committed genocide of infanticide. I've never destroyed a planet because a few monkeys annoyed me.
Creationism is the devil's shiny new toy as well. It detracts from what really exists.
PinkProgram 2 years ago
@PinkProgram " The best reason for becoming an atheist is that Yaweh is a vicious and jealous monster "
I know what you mean...John 3:16
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
@emptywithoutjesus if you can agree with this then why do you worship it?
PinkProgram 1 year ago
wat you said about people not being "true" christians is true, but lets be honest all christians pick and choose wat they wanna do and believe themselves to be true christians. Those bigots who are in god hates fags and those who used to lynch black people considered themselves true christians i bet. I would have no problem if people acted like jesus said, but they don't. And i was lucky growing up because my parents never took me to church and i couldn't believe even if i wanted to.
stonecoldatheist93 2 years ago
@stonecoldatheist93 I agree with you.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
Who the hell are you to judge whether or not I was a "true Christian"????
freereviews344 2 years ago 3
@freereviews344 Hey little boy! Get to stay up late yet?
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
Is true, not all Christians are guilty of what some false Christians,made.
VyckRo 2 years ago
cont
"and; behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.'"
Why not reflect on that a while before you crucify anybody else LIAR!
believerornot 2 years ago
You are not a Christian and you don't even understand the message . You constantly pass judment on Atheists.:
"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;
cont...
believerornot 2 years ago
I am not judging dude. You will know them by their fruit. if I hold an apple in my hand and call it a banana am I being judgmental? No. i am declaring the obvious. I am providing the evidence of their faith. plain and simple and you don't like it. I understand. It is a weak faith and needs to be defended to survive.
emptywithoutjesus 2 years ago
No, as I am judging you so you are judging Atheists. But for me it does not matter. For you.. well as you know you will be judged by the same measure that you use. If it turns out you are right about heaven and hell, with all the lies, judgements and encouragements to hate you commit, you are going to burn for all eternity.
believerornot 2 years ago
I used to be a christian and I can't believe I used to waste the best years of my life listening to exactly this kind of bullshit.
If refusing to believe that I am not spiritually broken in any way and do not need fixing (for a price of course) by anyone makes me a hypocrite in your eyes, then so be it.
Screw you and your death insurance, you evil parasite. Religion is supported by it's followers. It gives nothing, it just sucks all the joy of life and money out of it's followers.
MrSonicAdvance 2 years ago 5
that simply doesnt make sense, a true christian is non existant. a christian follows the teachings of jesus christ. an atheist can convert into christianity, but not vice versa? does that make sense to you? doesnt to me, but thats just me.
StaulkHolm 2 years ago
@StaulkHolm "an atheist can convert into Christianity, but not vice versa? does that make sense to you? Doesn't to me, but thats just me."
A Christians conversion is a supernatural experience. Being born again. A Christian that "leaves" Christianity has left a church, association, meeting place, denomination, but NOT hte Lord. It's Impossible because He lives inside of us.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
No true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge!
No true Christian would ever leave Christianity!
Really, now?
No true Scotsman fallacy fail.
AdenoidHynkelThe2nd 2 years ago 5
@AdenoidHynkelThe2nd I've mad a video regarding the accusation I receive about the no true Scotsman if you're interested.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
Yada yada yada, No True Scotsman. You are also calling every ex-Christian a liar too, so name calling and ad-hom attacks.
cappastrano 2 years ago 5
@cappastrano I've mad a video regarding the accusation I receive about the no true Scotsman if you're interested.
emptywithoutjesus 1 year ago
no true scotsman fallacy, as others have ment