@IllyriPower hahahahahahahaha,its is generally known that albanians are a mix of albanians turks and gypsies and they think that they are illyrian greek!!!!
All I know is, in a year or so, with a 91% chance of defaulting on your debt, greeks will soon be running to Albania to find jobs. If the stereotypes are true, then it will be the women who work and the men who will drink the coffee at bars, and the Albanians who will welcome and love (accept and marry) your nation and then you will all start claiming you were Albanian long before. We've saved you before, and we'll save you again don't worry my greek neighbor, jus plz for one return the favor
I'm proud to inform you that the Souli were Greek. I am a decendent of the Tzavaraioi clan of the Souli and we are Greek. In my family it has always been passed down that we are Greek, we always have been Greek and always will be Greek. Albanians need to stop stealing my family's, and many others heritage. Remember that my ancestors would rather jump off a cliff while singing and dancing than become wives or mothers of the Cham/Muslim/Turk Albanians. -Peace Love and Happiness-
@mallakastrioti Hahaha u r trully a Malaka i don't know about Kastrioti though u see he had bessa something modern Albanians don't have..Arvanites are completelly different in mentality from Albanians that's why we liberated Greece and mixed with Sarakatsani Vlahs and Greeks...We don't have a traditional Kannun like u Albanians..Do i have to remind u that we killed the Chams in Epirus Napoleon Zervas was a Souliot...My grandfather was an Arvanit and he din't speak Arvanitika he only knew Greek..
Wofür? für die Warheit? es ist schon mehr mahls bewissen worden dass die Griichen nicht die Hellenics sind und dass die heutigen Griechen eine Mischung von Zigeuner Sllaven und Arben sind.
hey idiot ich verstehe dieses song im gegensatz zu dir als grieche...;) es ist albansiches dialekt na jetz hast du die scheisse grieche..komm erzähl mir von diesem song ich verstehe es..tja must halt albaner arvanite sein so wie ich..als grieche verstehst du genau nur 2 oder 3 worte
When you deny someone the democratic right to identify himself as a Greek, Albania or whatever he wants and you identify him by some stupid and with no scientific base at all blood theories ,which by the way have been used by nazis and racists , then i have nothing to say to you guys. You live at 20th century and i at 21th. With respect to Albanian people which i admire most.
I see but all souliotes claims that they are are greeks and Himariotes which by the way they have democratically elected a Greek as mayor of the city which you consider as your enemy :)
If himariotes are albanians why they elected a greek as a mayor?
Who tells you that Arvanites are victims of any kind of propaganda or pressure to change their id ?
Speak first with arvanites at Greece and then talk.
I have many friends from koropi and paiania and if you tell them that they are under any kind of pressure cause of their so called albanian origin the only thing you will see is a smile at their faces... :)
From arvanites to Chams? Nice jumb when you dont have anything to answer but ok i will follow. Yes Chams were driven by force out of Greece by Napoleon Zervas (he is from souli i wonder is he a albanian also? pls answer me on that) after specific orders of british military to Zervas (written documents exists) as collaborators of Nazi.
listen if you call buken- buke,and ujin- uje you are albanian.
arvanites and chams are albanian people.
it seem to me that you are somwhat smart,why d'ont you reason without bias tword ethnic albaninan people within greek bordes. the reality is that there were no borders that divided our peoples,because we both were under rome and later under ottoman empire for 2000 years.
now the border that exists today is artificial,given to greeks and serbs from the big powers in 1913.
since when is vasili bollano greek??? hes a rotten albanian that sold our ppl out to greeks... well u could claim, just like u claim everyone else that was albanian as greek... but this one u could have...
Vasilis Bollanos an Albanian? He claims that he is a greek origin as most citizens of Himara who democratically elected him as a mayor. What answer can you give to such non logical remarks? All greek epirots are albanians cause they live in albania state? With the same logic chams are not albanians but greeks cause they used to live inside the greek state
rofl... k he might be greek, but u think most of the citizens of himara are greek cause ??? cause they're orthodox and they've been baptized in a greek orthodox church..??? im very well aware of the fact that thats all it takes to be greek, but it aint true for the MOST citizens of himara... 100% albanian, go there and claim that himara is greek and see what will happen to u faggot.... soon Cameria will be freed.
if sulis were around today they would shot us albanians in the face, for lettin a spieces of faggot men take full control of the greek state that they formed, for lettin them make their descendats feel ashamed of who they are... you are right my friend, you are right .
why dont all of you rember the horrors of Souli? to call yerselves albanian and muslim or albanian and athiests is a slap in the face to those people who gave thier lives down to the last woman and child , those are the Ancestors you should praise and give respect too! not the damn Illyrians who were glorified cults, in Greece we praise these people we sing songs of pain and sorrow we dance as a sign of respect for who and what these people were, WAKE UP ALBANIA!!
And as for the foustanella my friend its in so many peoples history its funny its in Bulgaria romania, albania Italy, turkey greece, lebenon and as far as Syria, the romans had eight different types of foustanella documented where pleats were added depending on the weather and region they were in .but the oldest example of the foustanella so far was found on a statue in the cave of Archedemos the Nympholept on mt. Hymettus in Athens, was there an Albania at that time? HMM
That example my friend has been dated to 500 BCE, so pls to say the foustanella is Abanian is funny , The klephtes made the foustanella famous and a thing of pride, , got a question for you ? did Marko Botsari speak Greek? Fact is yes he could also read and write evidence is there for all to see by his own hand , Ask yourself how can that be? there have been greeks in those regions of modern day ALbania for thousands of years, go to Albania and look at ruins or the Christian graves !!
Read the graves my friend and all will be clear! All the heros from those regions all spoke Greek very well its not what i say to you it is Fact, you may not like it but you should ask yourselves why that was!
Oh by the way Balkan warlord? what a joke , Ali Pasha was ruthless Ottoman turk who would skin people alive so they would renounce thier christianity!
Oh here is a small tidbit you wont find in wiki pedia aswelll when Marko Botsari fell he was leading a regiment of Greeks as well as a few souliotes from his village , many of his men died so that The Turks wouldnt get his body and cut off his head, You all say we disrespect Albania,and i say to you this, We sing songs of sorrow and of loss we dance to show respect and pay homage to who these hereoes were! If only Albanians showed the same respect!
May the earth gently cradle the heros of souli , may they know peace for all time, these were heros and christians, this imy problem withAlbanians today , a country full of athiests and muslims, claiming illyarian heritage, Ask yourselves what the souliotes would say or do to you in this day and age , they would shoot the lot of you!
Fodor's Guide to Greece describes Zologo as place "where Albanian Christian women leaped to their deaths rather than submit to be ravaged by forces of Ali Pasha"
The Souliotes were known as Greeks even by their enemies. Beli pasha, son of Ali pasha, sent letters to his father from April to December 1803 having called the Souliotes "Romioi" (names for modern greeks). All of these terms signify that the Souliote Confederation was composed of medieval Greeks. Ahmed Moufit, great-grandson of Ali pasha's sister (Siachnisa), wrote angrily about how the Souliotes invited Ali pasha's attack in 1789 because they deemed themselves as Christian Greeks
Fodor's guide to Greece describes Zalonga as the place where Suliote ALBANIAN ORTHODOX women jumped to their deaths. His words, my emphasis. Want to argue with Fodor?
sad for the albanian people, now arvanites think they are greek also, for the arvanites, here , be a greek then. but don't talk our language and sing our music. it offends us as albanians. to here that someone whoe say they are greek sing albanian and talk arberisht albanian. albanians of italie, had got there freedom. from italien coverment look at them. the culture of the albanian arbresche is national herritage in italie, you know why because they are free, free people evolf .
The Suliots were a branch of the Tchamides one of the three great divisions of the Tosks The constitution of their community deserves notice The Suliots inhabited a district consisting of steep ranges of bare and precipitous mountains overlooking the course of the Acheron that river uniting with the Cocytus in its lower course forms a marshy lake and renders the country at its mouth so unhealthy that it was considered the shortest road to the realms beyond the grave.GEORGE FINLAY LL.
you know i am losing my words for bullshit here, everything i clear why talk to this greek people. they now the truth alo. they also say gjerg kastrioti i greek haha, stupid people, there are statues, from the period he died, in vatican city, there say..king of epirus,terror of the ottomans,king of albania. gjerg kastrioti
Because for 500 years we have been occupied by turks. 500 years of domination, 500 years terror , 500 years no freedom, 500 years. long time. in 500 years whole countrys are build... then communism.. we never had the chance, to breath.. but what you say its not wright. its greek propagenda. albanian are verry friendly people. and we are respected. by the most of countrys. look america. what does it matherif greek respect us or not. you always have been an enemy of us. you tried alsoto wipe usout
Hey that's not fair! In the Balkan wars everyone tried to wipe the other one out, and we had 400 years of Turkish occupation too and then there was the civilian war and the the dictatorship. So don't say that we got easy.
Greek hellenise everything. our language is older than yours. our music is. our traditions to. lord byron wrote a book. about albanians he visited, the Souliotes .He says the albanians are the mos beautiful people he ever saw. there clothes. there are now braver people and people with honour. you greek are nothing hear your music. its al fake. we albanians make it with hart. Also. look at the paintings. Of Souliotes with ali pasha. why with him is he a greek. why should people, make such paintin
prove it stupid, do you sea a picture, with greek flag, now. only with ali pasha tepelena the albanian bandit, the most of paintings are made with soulites, There are paintings, of soulites in sudan these are paintings made by sudan people them selfs verry old. praying to in moslem mather, in egypt also. greeks warrent moslem in that periode, i am not a moslem. but just to ay they, are albanians. thats for sure, read the book of lord byron he had been to albania and greece in that time.
greeks have an identity im sure u can agree with that. but ive told you everything i know already and i cant be bothered arguing with ur malakies anymore
ok mate u can listen 2 what the historians say or do sum research for yourself. the document is there black and white, i know it hurts knowing you are wrong but it is ok life does go on ;)
why are you people so opssesed with this falcious statement? if it was true which it sint, who gives a fuck anyways?! why are you people so obsessed anyways.. Is it because Hodja stripped you of your identity and you feel empty inside? and believe twims flamouris propaganda which is purely a a propaganda tool whioch you fools fall right into
"The SULIOT dance of death. Rather than capitulate to notorious Balkan warlord Ali Pasha, the ALBANIAN SULIOTS chose suicide. They danced in concentric circles; at the end of each revolution one jumped, until all fallen to their deaths."-by Andre Gerolymatos.
@mallakastrioti Stupid Albanian That's why we always called ourshelves Romioi cause we had Imperial consiousness like the rest of the Greeks...That's why Northern Epirotans declared their independence in 1914 cause we belong to the Neo-Byzantine Empire (Greece)...Albanians are the Turkish remrants in Ballkans that's why we all hate u...I mean my cousin joined the UN in Kossovo and he always suported Serbs when he had too...We aren't the same even if we are Illyrians...
@Dykefalos Stripped of our national identity? Us? You got it all messed up little Sub-Saharan buddy.If anything it's the other way around.If you don't give a fuck about these things just admit it that Gayreeks have been stealing history from Albanians for centuries.Just like the historians all over the world say.Even the Gayreek ones.You don't give a fuck if all your heroes are Albanians?If your national dresses are stolen from Albania?If your music is Albanian?Good,just say it.
u prove my point on how ignorant u are. samual who was the priest who carried the orthodox flag documented the events of what happend during the war..AND IT WAS WRITTEN IN GREEK. go 2 a museum and u might learn sumthing
why did they read and write and also speak greek?? and the fact they carried the greek flag doesnt mean anything??? the people declared themselves as greek so what difference does it make what the historians say??
well thatt priest was a soulioti so if your tryin 2 argue they are albanian your a dumbcunt. the evidence i have was letters written by souliotes.. written in greek btw
listen and understand this evry1...the soulites declared themselves as greek people. they spoke wrote and read the greek language and prayed in a greek orthodox church...even if they had descended from albanian bloodthrought time.. they are greek. we might as well alll call ourselves african considering it is ssaid humankind started in africa. true or not??
ARVANITES and SULIOTES: I understand you are declared as proud Greeks NOW and this is OK as you live there...BUT there is one thing I don't understand. YOU have different traditions, songs and language from Greeks, you sing in ARVANITIKI and you speak ARVANITIKI...so all these beautiful traditions, your great songs and language, why don't you ask the GREEK Government to preserve them, organise festivals and open schools in your language whatever their origin? Why don't you do this? WHYYYYYYYYYY?
all greeks have different traditions, song, types of food etc depending on where u go. and btw the greek governemt does preserve them.. they even have a public holiday in greece dedicated the ipirotes. think about ur comments more carefully brother
pantazies means panda-zies trAnslation 2 english is live forever, that is the original family name who i descend from...he actually died in the church when they blew it up
In your own stupid selective quotes, souliotes are nowhere identified as Albanians. They are identified as Orthodox christians and self identified as Greeks.Stop misquoting Gerolymatos and making these selective quotes appear conclusive evidence!!!
GABRIEL: If you don't trust, I can send you a photocopy of the pages or a copy of the book..OK? Give me your e-mail adress and I will send them bcs I quoted GEROLYMATOS...but wait, there is moe to come from another great greek historian : Stavrianos, L.S....
GABRIEL...sorry but this is a total blunder... They are identified as Orthodox christians and self identified as Greeks.
1. Religion is not a national identity 2. you can be self-identified waht-ever you want...but here we are talking history and not what many today want to be indentified !!
Besides, GEROLIMATOS you can read Stavrianos L.S...greatest North American historian on Balkan affairs !!! After reading him, I hope you will shup up writing stupidies...
Epirotas. You really have to learn some terminology. There is a difference between Race and Ethnicity. Race is a nonsensical argument for Southern Europeans. They are essentially one race throughout Europe. But Ethnicity is very different. It relates to issues of shared values, language and identity including religion and self identity. You are Albanian ethnicity because you believe you are. i am Greek because I believe I am. We are both the same Race.
Souliotes are Greek because they identified as Greeks. They fought for the creation of Greece not for the creation of Albania. Where are they in the fight for a free Albania? They are nowhere. They are in the Greek Armies, in the Greek beauracracy, in the Greek politic and in the Greek elite. They identify as Greeks and are Greeks. Do not appropriate their contributions to Greece and make them your own. No one will believe you...
GABRIEL : Don't confuse things : We are talking about their identity, their origins , their language, their traditions, their blood and not about their contribution !!! Suliots (= ethnic albanians in North Greece) and arvanites (not ethnics in Greece) have all contributed for Greece bcs of the situation and circumstances and today they PROUDLY feel greek. But they, can't make their language, songs, traditions, fustanellas, blood GREEK !These things can't be sold or traded with any nationality
what are you saying is what racists and nationalists say. This is what Hitler said to. the same thing. That is a Jew is not German because he has Jewish blood, no matter how German he might have felt. Your arguments are equally as bankrupt as Hitlers discredited thoughts. OF COURSE SELF IDENTITY IS IMPORTANT - IT IS VITAL TO UNDERSTANDING WHO SOULIOTES AND ARVANITES ARE. They are Greek and it is important that they identify as such, no matter how people like you want to change reality.
Gabriel: Don't be stupid, this is not racist. YOU live in Australia you might be Austrialian citizen of greek descent (blood); I live in Canada but I am of albanian descent (blood). NO ONE CAN DENY THIS TO ME AND TO YOU. Every community here in TORONTO declares and is proud of its origins. Same thing with arvanites in greece. With Greek Identity and Nationality but albanians in origin (blood). But I can see there are some bastards among them who deny their roots! Do you see the difference NOW ?
SULIOTES and ARVANITES are greek citizens and they feel greeks today but NOONE even themselves can deny the truth of History: They are of ALBANIAN DESCENT (blood), no dicsussion about this (how they came in Greece,their language, traditions, songs etc). SIMPLY PUT they are not ETHNICs in GREECE but naturalized GREEKS same as me and you are in Canada or in Australia. We are not talking about sentiments here how you or someone feels but REAL FACTS and facts cannot be changed bcs of feelings !!!
Gabriela mori kouklara den se exoun gamisi akoma oi Albanian esena?
mathe kala tin istoria mori kariola auti polemisane gia tin souli kai gia ta dika tous sinferonta ilithie plasma, o pataras to Marco Bocari htan kai sto Galiko strato, auto ti simenh?
Presidenti grek, Teodor Pangallos deklaroi para Lidhjes së Kombeve në Gjenevë (1925-1926)se:Republika Greke njihte minoritetin shqiptarë që jetonte në Greqi, dhe nuk i konsideronte më shqiptarët muhamedanë popullsi turke.
...edhe une jam SHQIPTAR ore BytheGourasPilios...por vetem ne shqiptaret e Shqiperise veme ketu ne internet kulturen e vertete te Arberoreve/Shqiptareve...ky eshte ndryshimi midis meje dhe teje...
kush jane ALBANET sipas mendimit tend more Bythe?Albanet jane SHQIPTARET mor Bythe....dhe jane Albanet ketu ne internet qe nxjerrin ne drite kenget dhe gjuhen,zakonet dhe kulturen Arvanitase/Shqiptare...JO ti me Laistrigonas dhe CASTRER qe prishni pune Arvanitasve!
Arbereshet e Italise e lane Shqiperine ne te njejten kohe si dhe stergjysherit tuaj. Dhe ata, ashtu si ju nuk e harrojne gjakun shqiptar. Per me teper, ata sot e kesaj dite flasin shqip neper rruge, te cilat mbajne emra shqiptar. Ata ruajne lidhje te forta me memedheun dhe jane krenar qe jane shqiptar!
Nuk mendon se politika greke tenton te fuse sherrin midis nesh.
per me shume istori arvanitase lexoni aristidh kolen cuna....nje arvanitas qe jetonte ne ketu ne greqi..por e helmuan,se ai fliste hapur dhe botonte libra per origjinen reale te arvanitasve...dhe kjo shtetin grek nuk e interesonte...
Ju lumte djema se keshtu del e verteta ne shesh per Epirin, Suliotet, vallen e grave suliote, Fustanellen, Arvanitasit, revolucionin grek dhe per te ashtuquajturin "Vorio-Epir" se si shume po e kruajne kohet e fundit Bollanot me shoke. Ata s'ja dalin te fshehin te verteten per Suliotet e Epirin e Jugut jo me per himarjotet e vertete
greeks all fashists natinalists good greekas whatever everyone knows this but they dont want to publicly accept them because it hurts their made up world.
am talking about their fashists and nationalists of course
Te lumte se per Arvanitet eshte folur pake ,dhe Greket qe e mohuan,nje kuriozitet i vogel per budelmontin ,ne librat e historise ne shkolle ne Itali,eshte shkruajtur se nga Greku nuk egsistone minoriteti ,vetem 2% SHqiptare pore nuk kane te drejten e gjuhes ,ne krahasime me Arbereshet ne Itali nje kontraste i madhe
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the name itself is pure Albanian - ARBER , ARBANIT , ARBANITES , ARVANITES , ARBERESH = MEDIEVAL NAMES FOR ALBANIANS !!!!
IllyriPower 4 months ago
ITS GENERALLY KNOWN THAT ARVANITES WERE ALBANIANS !!!!!!
IllyriPower 4 months ago
@IllyriPower hahahahahahahaha,its is generally known that albanians are a mix of albanians turks and gypsies and they think that they are illyrian greek!!!!
Ultrass123 3 days ago
All I know is, in a year or so, with a 91% chance of defaulting on your debt, greeks will soon be running to Albania to find jobs. If the stereotypes are true, then it will be the women who work and the men who will drink the coffee at bars, and the Albanians who will welcome and love (accept and marry) your nation and then you will all start claiming you were Albanian long before. We've saved you before, and we'll save you again don't worry my greek neighbor, jus plz for one return the favor
albomale 5 months ago
I'm proud to inform you that the Souli were Greek. I am a decendent of the Tzavaraioi clan of the Souli and we are Greek. In my family it has always been passed down that we are Greek, we always have been Greek and always will be Greek. Albanians need to stop stealing my family's, and many others heritage. Remember that my ancestors would rather jump off a cliff while singing and dancing than become wives or mothers of the Cham/Muslim/Turk Albanians. -Peace Love and Happiness-
JTzavaras 1 year ago
Min 3:32 = Albanians(Chams and Labs) in Egjypt under Mehmet Pasha - pikture: Jean Leo Gerome
Min 3:33 = Albanians (Chams and Labs) in Cairo under Mehmet Pasha - Pikuture Jean Leo Gerome
Min 3:38 the same
Min 3:43 the same
Ferizajcity 1 year ago
Souliotes = Greeks. Gerolymatos = a traitor.
RomiosHellas 1 year ago
mallakastra ka dhe shqiptar qe kuptojne gjermanisht ;-)
ps. shume flm qe na i ke sjelle keto kenge kaq te bukura ketu
e verteta vonon por nuk harron
die albaner sind das älteste volk in ganz europa und mediterran
das ist schon bewissen worden
Tironc33 1 year ago
bravo suliotes arvanites albanians..we are the best long live albania..kosovo is albanian...fuck serbia scum
fuerteventura070 2 years ago
albanians were all!!
the nation was split :(
today the greek morans go around with their lies
AndreaKola 2 years ago 2
Blamage Albaner , dass ihr soweit geht mit einen Geschichtsabschaum zu vergleichen
Merkt ihr nicht das die Griechen nichts weiter sind als irgendwelche Betrüger verglichbar mit ihrenwelche Straßenpenner de träumt ein König zu sein?
Sefasfil 2 years ago
only english or albanian here...no other language that nobody understand...
mallakastrioti 2 years ago
@mallakastrioti
compare disgrace Albanians, that you go so far with a history scum
do not you realize that the Greeks are nothing more than any cheats with street bums de dream to have a king?
lazarema 1 year ago
@mallakastrioti
This is a translation from German to English. I hope this can be seen.
Regards
lazarema 1 year ago
@mallakastrioti Hahaha u r trully a Malaka i don't know about Kastrioti though u see he had bessa something modern Albanians don't have..Arvanites are completelly different in mentality from Albanians that's why we liberated Greece and mixed with Sarakatsani Vlahs and Greeks...We don't have a traditional Kannun like u Albanians..Do i have to remind u that we killed the Chams in Epirus Napoleon Zervas was a Souliot...My grandfather was an Arvanit and he din't speak Arvanitika he only knew Greek..
Jeffanos 7 months ago
Blamage????
Wofür? für die Warheit? es ist schon mehr mahls bewissen worden dass die Griichen nicht die Hellenics sind und dass die heutigen Griechen eine Mischung von Zigeuner Sllaven und Arben sind.
Tironc33 2 years ago
Haben Griechen deine Mutter Besucht zu hause oder was ist dein Problem?
Geschichtsabschaum bist du und deine ganze Nation die aus 50 verschiedenen völkern besteht jeder sieht anders aus wie der andere! i
STELOVIOS 2 years ago
hey ich verstehe dieses song als albaner im gegensatz zu dir grieche..das beweist was arvanites sind..;) tjaaa
fuerteventura070 1 year ago
hey idiot ich verstehe dieses song im gegensatz zu dir als grieche...;) es ist albansiches dialekt na jetz hast du die scheisse grieche..komm erzähl mir von diesem song ich verstehe es..tja must halt albaner arvanite sein so wie ich..als grieche verstehst du genau nur 2 oder 3 worte
fuerteventura070 1 year ago
@Sefasfil halt dein snautze du fiksa, du griechen sind turken.
agon1984 1 year ago
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When you deny someone the democratic right to identify himself as a Greek, Albania or whatever he wants and you identify him by some stupid and with no scientific base at all blood theories ,which by the way have been used by nazis and racists , then i have nothing to say to you guys. You live at 20th century and i at 21th. With respect to Albanian people which i admire most.
adavalas 2 years ago
For you Greeks that try to deny the identity of suljote,shame on you.
Suljote are Albanians,if you ignorants open a book or two,you wii learn the truth.
Byron wrote a poem about SULJOTE and Himariot .
He says Suljote are ALBANIAN.
Read you Greek ignorants.
Long live ALBANIAN people.
God bless Albania.
Pleqesia 2 years ago 3
I see but all souliotes claims that they are are greeks and Himariotes which by the way they have democratically elected a Greek as mayor of the city which you consider as your enemy :)
If himariotes are albanians why they elected a greek as a mayor?
adavalas 2 years ago
an example,in many towns arownd athens there arvanites,KORUPI,PEANIA,etc they elect arvanites as city leaders.
what does that mean?
we in albania protect minority rights.
you greeks don't.
as mater of fact you did ethnic cleansing in many cities popullated by allbanians.
if we did the same,we wouldnt have minority in albania.
albanian people are known as human people,read a little and you will change youre opinion. ww2.
do not listen to greek government propoganda.
Pleqesia 2 years ago 3
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Who tells you that Arvanites are victims of any kind of propaganda or pressure to change their id ?
Speak first with arvanites at Greece and then talk.
I have many friends from koropi and paiania and if you tell them that they are under any kind of pressure cause of their so called albanian origin the only thing you will see is a smile at their faces... :)
adavalas 2 years ago
you don't get the point,during ww2 greek paramilitary forces killed,raped,and forced up to 100000 chams to leave their homes and move to albania.
it is known as a genocide.
if we as albanians did the same with greek minority,killed,raped their womens,forced them to live albania and put albanians in their houses,get even .
am curious to know your answer.
you greeks have hard time coming to terms with the brutality and ethnik clansing of albanian population .
open your eyes,readddd
Pleqesia 2 years ago
From arvanites to Chams? Nice jumb when you dont have anything to answer but ok i will follow. Yes Chams were driven by force out of Greece by Napoleon Zervas (he is from souli i wonder is he a albanian also? pls answer me on that) after specific orders of british military to Zervas (written documents exists) as collaborators of Nazi.
adavalas 2 years ago
listen if you call buken- buke,and ujin- uje you are albanian.
arvanites and chams are albanian people.
it seem to me that you are somwhat smart,why d'ont you reason without bias tword ethnic albaninan people within greek bordes. the reality is that there were no borders that divided our peoples,because we both were under rome and later under ottoman empire for 2000 years.
now the border that exists today is artificial,given to greeks and serbs from the big powers in 1913.
endaxi
Pleqesia 2 years ago
since when is vasili bollano greek??? hes a rotten albanian that sold our ppl out to greeks... well u could claim, just like u claim everyone else that was albanian as greek... but this one u could have...
valdrin85 2 years ago
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Vasilis Bollanos an Albanian? He claims that he is a greek origin as most citizens of Himara who democratically elected him as a mayor. What answer can you give to such non logical remarks? All greek epirots are albanians cause they live in albania state? With the same logic chams are not albanians but greeks cause they used to live inside the greek state
adavalas 2 years ago
rofl... k he might be greek, but u think most of the citizens of himara are greek cause ??? cause they're orthodox and they've been baptized in a greek orthodox church..??? im very well aware of the fact that thats all it takes to be greek, but it aint true for the MOST citizens of himara... 100% albanian, go there and claim that himara is greek and see what will happen to u faggot.... soon Cameria will be freed.
valdrin85 2 years ago 2
kenga e pare shume e mire :)
5*
albanleo 2 years ago 6
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mallakastrioti, see video response
ArvaniteLegacy 2 years ago
if sulis were around today they would shot us albanians in the face, for lettin a spieces of faggot men take full control of the greek state that they formed, for lettin them make their descendats feel ashamed of who they are... you are right my friend, you are right .
valdrin85 2 years ago 2
o picka po shqipen e keni harruar
duhanshqiperie 2 years ago
why dont all of you rember the horrors of Souli? to call yerselves albanian and muslim or albanian and athiests is a slap in the face to those people who gave thier lives down to the last woman and child , those are the Ancestors you should praise and give respect too! not the damn Illyrians who were glorified cults, in Greece we praise these people we sing songs of pain and sorrow we dance as a sign of respect for who and what these people were, WAKE UP ALBANIA!!
georgeellas 2 years ago
And as for the foustanella my friend its in so many peoples history its funny its in Bulgaria romania, albania Italy, turkey greece, lebenon and as far as Syria, the romans had eight different types of foustanella documented where pleats were added depending on the weather and region they were in .but the oldest example of the foustanella so far was found on a statue in the cave of Archedemos the Nympholept on mt. Hymettus in Athens, was there an Albania at that time? HMM
georgeellas 2 years ago
That example my friend has been dated to 500 BCE, so pls to say the foustanella is Abanian is funny , The klephtes made the foustanella famous and a thing of pride, , got a question for you ? did Marko Botsari speak Greek? Fact is yes he could also read and write evidence is there for all to see by his own hand , Ask yourself how can that be? there have been greeks in those regions of modern day ALbania for thousands of years, go to Albania and look at ruins or the Christian graves !!
georgeellas 2 years ago
Read the graves my friend and all will be clear! All the heros from those regions all spoke Greek very well its not what i say to you it is Fact, you may not like it but you should ask yourselves why that was!
georgeellas 2 years ago
Oh by the way Balkan warlord? what a joke , Ali Pasha was ruthless Ottoman turk who would skin people alive so they would renounce thier christianity!
georgeellas 2 years ago
Oh here is a small tidbit you wont find in wiki pedia aswelll when Marko Botsari fell he was leading a regiment of Greeks as well as a few souliotes from his village , many of his men died so that The Turks wouldnt get his body and cut off his head, You all say we disrespect Albania,and i say to you this, We sing songs of sorrow and of loss we dance to show respect and pay homage to who these hereoes were! If only Albanians showed the same respect!
georgeellas 2 years ago
did Marko Bocari speak Greek? your answer on Government TV of Greece ET3 learn your History!
Mathe pos Marko Bocari pos e mathe ta Ellhnika edw apo to kratiko sou kanali ET3
Marko Bocari (Documentary of ET3)
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
georgeellas re skotokefale kaneis pos ta kseris ola des auta pou sou dixno kai vgale to skasmo paliopoustara
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
May the earth gently cradle the heros of souli , may they know peace for all time, these were heros and christians, this imy problem withAlbanians today , a country full of athiests and muslims, claiming illyarian heritage, Ask yourselves what the souliotes would say or do to you in this day and age , they would shoot the lot of you!
georgeellas 2 years ago
first of all they will shot the Orthodox who left the path of Christianity to start their own version of religion
B3rt1 2 years ago
Fodor's Guide to Greece describes Zologo as place "where Albanian Christian women leaped to their deaths rather than submit to be ravaged by forces of Ali Pasha"
IanHunedoara8 2 years ago
The Souliotes were known as Greeks even by their enemies. Beli pasha, son of Ali pasha, sent letters to his father from April to December 1803 having called the Souliotes "Romioi" (names for modern greeks). All of these terms signify that the Souliote Confederation was composed of medieval Greeks. Ahmed Moufit, great-grandson of Ali pasha's sister (Siachnisa), wrote angrily about how the Souliotes invited Ali pasha's attack in 1789 because they deemed themselves as Christian Greeks
adavalas 3 years ago
That would be the equivalent of the Greeks calling the Macedonians Slavs to fulfill their political objectives
B3rt1 2 years ago
You dumb gayreek. Greek mean Orthodox, not Greek blood. You have no heroes
king0lazar0was0gay 2 years ago
Fodor's guide to Greece describes Zalonga as the place where Suliote ALBANIAN ORTHODOX women jumped to their deaths. His words, my emphasis. Want to argue with Fodor?
IanHunedoara8 3 years ago 2
paralogooo degjo kengen se tek ne cdo gje eshte ne kenge,ore mut i qelbur grek
muniminoritar 3 years ago
Check it out who the Greeks realy are...
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truthout2007 3 years ago
sad for the albanian people, now arvanites think they are greek also, for the arvanites, here , be a greek then. but don't talk our language and sing our music. it offends us as albanians. to here that someone whoe say they are greek sing albanian and talk arberisht albanian. albanians of italie, had got there freedom. from italien coverment look at them. the culture of the albanian arbresche is national herritage in italie, you know why because they are free, free people evolf .
agon1984 3 years ago
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paralogooo 3 years ago
The Suliots were a branch of the Tchamides one of the three great divisions of the Tosks The constitution of their community deserves notice The Suliots inhabited a district consisting of steep ranges of bare and precipitous mountains overlooking the course of the Acheron that river uniting with the Cocytus in its lower course forms a marshy lake and renders the country at its mouth so unhealthy that it was considered the shortest road to the realms beyond the grave.GEORGE FINLAY LL.
adonaicall 3 years ago
you know i am losing my words for bullshit here, everything i clear why talk to this greek people. they now the truth alo. they also say gjerg kastrioti i greek haha, stupid people, there are statues, from the period he died, in vatican city, there say..king of epirus,terror of the ottomans,king of albania. gjerg kastrioti
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paralogooo 3 years ago
Because for 500 years we have been occupied by turks. 500 years of domination, 500 years terror , 500 years no freedom, 500 years. long time. in 500 years whole countrys are build... then communism.. we never had the chance, to breath.. but what you say its not wright. its greek propagenda. albanian are verry friendly people. and we are respected. by the most of countrys. look america. what does it matherif greek respect us or not. you always have been an enemy of us. you tried alsoto wipe usout
agon1984 3 years ago
Hey that's not fair! In the Balkan wars everyone tried to wipe the other one out, and we had 400 years of Turkish occupation too and then there was the civilian war and the the dictatorship. So don't say that we got easy.
brokenaod1 3 years ago
with this question you show what kind of stupid shit you are. try to understand yourself.
ethnikhart 3 years ago
Greek hellenise everything. our language is older than yours. our music is. our traditions to. lord byron wrote a book. about albanians he visited, the Souliotes .He says the albanians are the mos beautiful people he ever saw. there clothes. there are now braver people and people with honour. you greek are nothing hear your music. its al fake. we albanians make it with hart. Also. look at the paintings. Of Souliotes with ali pasha. why with him is he a greek. why should people, make such paintin
agon1984 3 years ago 3
Greek hellenise everything read the book of lord byron writen in the 1800 ,, Wy
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paralogooo 3 years ago
prove it stupid, do you sea a picture, with greek flag, now. only with ali pasha tepelena the albanian bandit, the most of paintings are made with soulites, There are paintings, of soulites in sudan these are paintings made by sudan people them selfs verry old. praying to in moslem mather, in egypt also. greeks warrent moslem in that periode, i am not a moslem. but just to ay they, are albanians. thats for sure, read the book of lord byron he had been to albania and greece in that time.
agon1984 3 years ago 2
greeks have an identity im sure u can agree with that. but ive told you everything i know already and i cant be bothered arguing with ur malakies anymore
trellatrella 3 years ago 2
ok mate u can listen 2 what the historians say or do sum research for yourself. the document is there black and white, i know it hurts knowing you are wrong but it is ok life does go on ;)
trellatrella 3 years ago 2
why are you people so opssesed with this falcious statement? if it was true which it sint, who gives a fuck anyways?! why are you people so obsessed anyways.. Is it because Hodja stripped you of your identity and you feel empty inside? and believe twims flamouris propaganda which is purely a a propaganda tool whioch you fools fall right into
Dykefalos 3 years ago
"The SULIOT dance of death. Rather than capitulate to notorious Balkan warlord Ali Pasha, the ALBANIAN SULIOTS chose suicide. They danced in concentric circles; at the end of each revolution one jumped, until all fallen to their deaths."-by Andre Gerolymatos.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
Andre Gerolymatos is not Enver Hoxha but greek-canadian historian.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
@mallakastrioti Stupid Albanian That's why we always called ourshelves Romioi cause we had Imperial consiousness like the rest of the Greeks...That's why Northern Epirotans declared their independence in 1914 cause we belong to the Neo-Byzantine Empire (Greece)...Albanians are the Turkish remrants in Ballkans that's why we all hate u...I mean my cousin joined the UN in Kossovo and he always suported Serbs when he had too...We aren't the same even if we are Illyrians...
Jeffanos 7 months ago
@Jeffanos ur not a suliot, ur blood has turned to piss from being mixed with the gypsies from Pontos....
the Greek church fucked u guys, it made u bend over and take it all the way in :)
ValaDrinit 4 months ago
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@Jeffanos say to your cousin its because of serbs that Albanians migrated into Greece 700 years ago
learn some Albanian history and you will find your true roots ;)
IllyriPower 4 months ago
@Dykefalos Stripped of our national identity? Us? You got it all messed up little Sub-Saharan buddy.If anything it's the other way around.If you don't give a fuck about these things just admit it that Gayreeks have been stealing history from Albanians for centuries.Just like the historians all over the world say.Even the Gayreek ones.You don't give a fuck if all your heroes are Albanians?If your national dresses are stolen from Albania?If your music is Albanian?Good,just say it.
ILIRIANKING 9 months ago
u prove my point on how ignorant u are. samual who was the priest who carried the orthodox flag documented the events of what happend during the war..AND IT WAS WRITTEN IN GREEK. go 2 a museum and u might learn sumthing
trellatrella 3 years ago
why did they read and write and also speak greek?? and the fact they carried the greek flag doesnt mean anything??? the people declared themselves as greek so what difference does it make what the historians say??
trellatrella 3 years ago
well thatt priest was a soulioti so if your tryin 2 argue they are albanian your a dumbcunt. the evidence i have was letters written by souliotes.. written in greek btw
trellatrella 3 years ago
ive got my evidence already soooo i reeally culdnt give 2 flying fucks what bullshit u are trying 2 spin
trellatrella 3 years ago
who cares about him. read what i wrote then go jump off a cliff
trellatrella 3 years ago
listen and understand this evry1...the soulites declared themselves as greek people. they spoke wrote and read the greek language and prayed in a greek orthodox church...even if they had descended from albanian bloodthrought time.. they are greek. we might as well alll call ourselves african considering it is ssaid humankind started in africa. true or not??
trellatrella 3 years ago
ARVANITES and SULIOTES: I understand you are declared as proud Greeks NOW and this is OK as you live there...BUT there is one thing I don't understand. YOU have different traditions, songs and language from Greeks, you sing in ARVANITIKI and you speak ARVANITIKI...so all these beautiful traditions, your great songs and language, why don't you ask the GREEK Government to preserve them, organise festivals and open schools in your language whatever their origin? Why don't you do this? WHYYYYYYYYYY?
epirotas 3 years ago
all greeks have different traditions, song, types of food etc depending on where u go. and btw the greek governemt does preserve them.. they even have a public holiday in greece dedicated the ipirotes. think about ur comments more carefully brother
trellatrella 3 years ago
pantazies means panda-zies trAnslation 2 english is live forever, that is the original family name who i descend from...he actually died in the church when they blew it up
trellatrella 3 years ago
In your own stupid selective quotes, souliotes are nowhere identified as Albanians. They are identified as Orthodox christians and self identified as Greeks.Stop misquoting Gerolymatos and making these selective quotes appear conclusive evidence!!!
GabrielM111 3 years ago
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king0lazar0was0gay 3 years ago
GABRIEL: If you don't trust, I can send you a photocopy of the pages or a copy of the book..OK? Give me your e-mail adress and I will send them bcs I quoted GEROLYMATOS...but wait, there is moe to come from another great greek historian : Stavrianos, L.S....
epirotas 3 years ago
GABRIEL...sorry but this is a total blunder... They are identified as Orthodox christians and self identified as Greeks.
1. Religion is not a national identity 2. you can be self-identified waht-ever you want...but here we are talking history and not what many today want to be indentified !!
Besides, GEROLIMATOS you can read Stavrianos L.S...greatest North American historian on Balkan affairs !!! After reading him, I hope you will shup up writing stupidies...
epirotas 3 years ago
Epirotas. You really have to learn some terminology. There is a difference between Race and Ethnicity. Race is a nonsensical argument for Southern Europeans. They are essentially one race throughout Europe. But Ethnicity is very different. It relates to issues of shared values, language and identity including religion and self identity. You are Albanian ethnicity because you believe you are. i am Greek because I believe I am. We are both the same Race.
GabrielM111 3 years ago
Souliotes are Greek because they identified as Greeks. They fought for the creation of Greece not for the creation of Albania. Where are they in the fight for a free Albania? They are nowhere. They are in the Greek Armies, in the Greek beauracracy, in the Greek politic and in the Greek elite. They identify as Greeks and are Greeks. Do not appropriate their contributions to Greece and make them your own. No one will believe you...
GabrielM111 3 years ago
GABRIEL : Don't confuse things : We are talking about their identity, their origins , their language, their traditions, their blood and not about their contribution !!! Suliots (= ethnic albanians in North Greece) and arvanites (not ethnics in Greece) have all contributed for Greece bcs of the situation and circumstances and today they PROUDLY feel greek. But they, can't make their language, songs, traditions, fustanellas, blood GREEK !These things can't be sold or traded with any nationality
epirotas 3 years ago
what are you saying is what racists and nationalists say. This is what Hitler said to. the same thing. That is a Jew is not German because he has Jewish blood, no matter how German he might have felt. Your arguments are equally as bankrupt as Hitlers discredited thoughts. OF COURSE SELF IDENTITY IS IMPORTANT - IT IS VITAL TO UNDERSTANDING WHO SOULIOTES AND ARVANITES ARE. They are Greek and it is important that they identify as such, no matter how people like you want to change reality.
GabrielM111 3 years ago
Gabriel: Don't be stupid, this is not racist. YOU live in Australia you might be Austrialian citizen of greek descent (blood); I live in Canada but I am of albanian descent (blood). NO ONE CAN DENY THIS TO ME AND TO YOU. Every community here in TORONTO declares and is proud of its origins. Same thing with arvanites in greece. With Greek Identity and Nationality but albanians in origin (blood). But I can see there are some bastards among them who deny their roots! Do you see the difference NOW ?
epirotas 3 years ago
SULIOTES and ARVANITES are greek citizens and they feel greeks today but NOONE even themselves can deny the truth of History: They are of ALBANIAN DESCENT (blood), no dicsussion about this (how they came in Greece,their language, traditions, songs etc). SIMPLY PUT they are not ETHNICs in GREECE but naturalized GREEKS same as me and you are in Canada or in Australia. We are not talking about sentiments here how you or someone feels but REAL FACTS and facts cannot be changed bcs of feelings !!!
epirotas 3 years ago
Gabriela mori kouklara den se exoun gamisi akoma oi Albanian esena?
mathe kala tin istoria mori kariola auti polemisane gia tin souli kai gia ta dika tous sinferonta ilithie plasma, o pataras to Marco Bocari htan kai sto Galiko strato, auto ti simenh?
GAMAOTOUSELLINES 2 years ago
Presidenti grek, Teodor Pangallos deklaroi para Lidhjes së Kombeve në Gjenevë (1925-1926)se:Republika Greke njihte minoritetin shqiptarë që jetonte në Greqi, dhe nuk i konsideronte më shqiptarët muhamedanë popullsi turke.
vazhdon...
qiellikalter 3 years ago
U nuk arroj gjakun timen, t theni shikidoni u kam bese !!! U JAM SHQIPTAR (GREK-ARVANIT) EDHE JO ALBANT KUPUTOVE ORE GORES TMADHE???
BythegourasPilios 3 years ago
...edhe une jam SHQIPTAR ore BytheGourasPilios...por vetem ne shqiptaret e Shqiperise veme ketu ne internet kulturen e vertete te Arberoreve/Shqiptareve...ky eshte ndryshimi midis meje dhe teje...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
mallakastrioti, te lumte, vlla, na bere krenar, greeket nuk pune tjeter veq se te vjellin historite e vendeve te tjera,
riogazaja 3 years ago
kush jane ALBANET sipas mendimit tend more Bythe?Albanet jane SHQIPTARET mor Bythe....dhe jane Albanet ketu ne internet qe nxjerrin ne drite kenget dhe gjuhen,zakonet dhe kulturen Arvanitase/Shqiptare...JO ti me Laistrigonas dhe CASTRER qe prishni pune Arvanitasve!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
BythegourasPilios
Arbereshet e Italise e lane Shqiperine ne te njejten kohe si dhe stergjysherit tuaj. Dhe ata, ashtu si ju nuk e harrojne gjakun shqiptar. Per me teper, ata sot e kesaj dite flasin shqip neper rruge, te cilat mbajne emra shqiptar. Ata ruajne lidhje te forta me memedheun dhe jane krenar qe jane shqiptar!
Nuk mendon se politika greke tenton te fuse sherrin midis nesh.
qiellikalter 3 years ago
Te verteten e Arvanitaseve e ruan gjaku i tyre shqipetar.U lumte o motra e vellezer!
vraniqaku 3 years ago
Shume vidio e bukur, flm shume qe gjete kohen ta besh. Shume e vlefshme per te gjithe. Kenget jane te persosura gjithashtu.
SerenataKorcare 3 years ago
Faleminderit SerenataKorcare.Gjithmone e nderuar!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
per me shume istori arvanitase lexoni aristidh kolen cuna....nje arvanitas qe jetonte ne ketu ne greqi..por e helmuan,se ai fliste hapur dhe botonte libra per origjinen reale te arvanitasve...dhe kjo shtetin grek nuk e interesonte...
beratboy26 3 years ago
xaxa albanians = wannabe Greek-Arvanites
BythegourasPilios 3 years ago
o bythmut...lexo ore koqe cfare ka shkruar Andre Gerolymatos-historian greko/Kanadez...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
ik ti ore te qifsha motren se na ndyre faqen..mos hy me ketu o grek kurve se ti je bukeshkale e jo arvanitas...
beratboy26 3 years ago
Thanks for the quotes mallakastrioti... amazing!
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
Ju lumte djema se keshtu del e verteta ne shesh per Epirin, Suliotet, vallen e grave suliote, Fustanellen, Arvanitasit, revolucionin grek dhe per te ashtuquajturin "Vorio-Epir" se si shume po e kruajne kohet e fundit Bollanot me shoke. Ata s'ja dalin te fshehin te verteten per Suliotet e Epirin e Jugut jo me per himarjotet e vertete
epirotas 3 years ago
vdekje bollanos me shoke...ato rropte ku ti kene se shqiperise i rruajne koqet..kete ta dine mire...
beratboy26 3 years ago
nek shfarroset gjaku arberore na genjeshtrat fashiste.
bylysi 3 years ago
Je i madh mallakastriot! Sdi c'te te them me shume!
alketux 3 years ago
Brravo komunist partija te pergezon.
MikelDedGjoni 3 years ago
Peace to all the enlightened Arbërorë - Greeks. We love you and don't forget you. Thank you for your wonderful video Mallakastrioti
omernishi 3 years ago
Propaganda greke nuk mund te fshije historine tone nga faqa dheut sikur te mos ishte asgje!
Great work, both of you Epiriotas and Mallakastrioti!
Vella vendosi te dhenat e videos edhe tek detajet keshtu u jep mundesi edhe te tjereve!
1bilderberg 3 years ago
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aspetosi 3 years ago
greeks all fashists natinalists good greekas whatever everyone knows this but they dont want to publicly accept them because it hurts their made up world.
am talking about their fashists and nationalists of course
bylysi 3 years ago
Faleminderit vellezer edhe pse kjo pune i perket me teper vellait tone shqiptar-"epirotas"-Youtube user.Faleminderit edhe njehere atij!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
te lumte si gjithemon
illyriancode 3 years ago
I can not express it in words, this is a great work and FACTS that noone can deny.
My brother, congratulations, the arvanites are and will always be our blood brothers.
Orthodox Albanians dont loose the hope, we are with you in any time.
THANX mallakastrioti
dukagjiniforce 3 years ago
Te lumte se per Arvanitet eshte folur pake ,dhe Greket qe e mohuan,nje kuriozitet i vogel per budelmontin ,ne librat e historise ne shkolle ne Itali,eshte shkruajtur se nga Greku nuk egsistone minoriteti ,vetem 2% SHqiptare pore nuk kane te drejten e gjuhes ,ne krahasime me Arbereshet ne Itali nje kontraste i madhe
NikVlora 3 years ago
5 yje vlla
w2x2x2 3 years ago