Thumbs up, and I really enjoyed the first 90% but then he went off about Osama planning 9-11. Um, not according to the FBI. According to the FBI. This is what throws me away from most Christians, how can you know God if you can't differentiate holiness from the wickedness in your own government? The devil is deceptive I guess, but who has eyes to see?
The point is that it is god. God does steer everything. His almighty holiness can see the future and influence it as he sees fit as he is omniscient and omnipotent. Thus, everything that happens is a direct result of gods will. So rather than direct our attention away from the original question (why god?), and tell us to not question him and divert our anger to Satan, answer the damn question. Or would that make it too hard to keep the sheep blindly following the Shepard?
@ezodo17 Not everything that happens is God's will by a very long chalk; the Fall, Sin, the Holocaust? If you worship a god that willed those sort of things you are NOT worshipping the God & Father revealed in the Lord Jesus Christ. God makes it very clear e.g. Jer 19: 4 & 5 that He does not command everything to happen. In spite of Calvinistic theologians saying the opposite, the whole Bible's theme is that we have free will to do evil or good.
@ianhutch2089 So the bible claims god knows everything, yet then has god saying that the actions of his creations "[did] something [he] did not command or mention, nor [have] it enter [his] mind." This doesn't make any sense, so correct me if I'm wrong in thinking he is all knowing.
@cameronversluis Your article was interesting, but i'm not sure i follow (forgive me if i seem ignorant, I haven't had a year to put this together). To start, you make this claim: "So
basically, all that is necessary for me to scripturally prove open theism is to give
several examples of "open" events in the Bible. You could cite passages where
things were preordained or predetermined all day, but that would not disprove
open theism." Acts 15:18 would make it seem that there are no open events.
@ezodo17 Thanks for reading :) Not a problem, I took a few years to research this myself, and I'm sure I still don't have a perfect understanding. Acts 15:18 is part of the larger context of chapter 15, in which it says, "God first intervened"; human activity was going on but then God reached in and did something, exactly as open theism posits.It talks about God "rebuilding" and "restoring" David's fallen tent, so it could be predicted by God in advance, because he would later do these things.
@cameronversluis The context can support either side of the argument. I was more specifically referring to when the bible states "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." This to me, while including the knowledge of what he could do, would also include what he will do, leaving no open events to occur.
@ezodo17 Yeah, I would agree with that. That's just the KJV's translation, though, and it's made up of Greek phrases and words that are pretty subjective. Most modern translations don't say anything quite like that.
@cameronversluis That to me doesn't make any sense. Knowing everything includes knowing what could and what will happen. If god is all knowing, then how can there be any open events for god to change?
@cameronversluis That to me doesn't make any sense. Knowing everything includes knowing what could and what will happen. If god is all knowing, then how can there be any open events for god to change?
The point is that it's NOT God. Contrary to what many pastors nowadays would have you think, God is not the secret mastermind of tragedies and evil things. Sometimes God would instruct killings or allow capital punishment in the Old Testament, but from a close reading of the WHOLE Scriptures, it seems clear to me that the full revelation of God comes only in the person of Jesus Christ. Throughout the OT, God always had more to say about himself, but in Jesus it is all said and done.
Thumbs up, and I really enjoyed the first 90% but then he went off about Osama planning 9-11. Um, not according to the FBI. According to the FBI. This is what throws me away from most Christians, how can you know God if you can't differentiate holiness from the wickedness in your own government? The devil is deceptive I guess, but who has eyes to see?
LibertySteve 5 months ago
Even to ask the question, "Where was God on 9/11", is a blasphemy of believing God to be in the pay of Americans.
EphremHagos 5 months ago
@encyclopediadam Why is it not worth listening to?
emustick 6 months ago
The point is that it is god. God does steer everything. His almighty holiness can see the future and influence it as he sees fit as he is omniscient and omnipotent. Thus, everything that happens is a direct result of gods will. So rather than direct our attention away from the original question (why god?), and tell us to not question him and divert our anger to Satan, answer the damn question. Or would that make it too hard to keep the sheep blindly following the Shepard?
ezodo17 6 months ago
@ezodo17 Not everything that happens is God's will by a very long chalk; the Fall, Sin, the Holocaust? If you worship a god that willed those sort of things you are NOT worshipping the God & Father revealed in the Lord Jesus Christ. God makes it very clear e.g. Jer 19: 4 & 5 that He does not command everything to happen. In spite of Calvinistic theologians saying the opposite, the whole Bible's theme is that we have free will to do evil or good.
ianhutch2089 6 months ago
@ianhutch2089 So the bible claims god knows everything, yet then has god saying that the actions of his creations "[did] something [he] did not command or mention, nor [have] it enter [his] mind." This doesn't make any sense, so correct me if I'm wrong in thinking he is all knowing.
ezodo17 6 months ago
@ezodo17 You should check out Greg Boyd's book, God of the Possible, or my article, The Possible Future, look 'em up :)
cameronversluis 5 months ago
@cameronversluis Your article was interesting, but i'm not sure i follow (forgive me if i seem ignorant, I haven't had a year to put this together). To start, you make this claim: "So
basically, all that is necessary for me to scripturally prove open theism is to give
several examples of "open" events in the Bible. You could cite passages where
things were preordained or predetermined all day, but that would not disprove
open theism." Acts 15:18 would make it seem that there are no open events.
ezodo17 5 months ago
@ezodo17 Thanks for reading :) Not a problem, I took a few years to research this myself, and I'm sure I still don't have a perfect understanding. Acts 15:18 is part of the larger context of chapter 15, in which it says, "God first intervened"; human activity was going on but then God reached in and did something, exactly as open theism posits.It talks about God "rebuilding" and "restoring" David's fallen tent, so it could be predicted by God in advance, because he would later do these things.
cameronversluis 5 months ago
@cameronversluis The context can support either side of the argument. I was more specifically referring to when the bible states "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world." This to me, while including the knowledge of what he could do, would also include what he will do, leaving no open events to occur.
ezodo17 5 months ago
@ezodo17 Yeah, I would agree with that. That's just the KJV's translation, though, and it's made up of Greek phrases and words that are pretty subjective. Most modern translations don't say anything quite like that.
cameronversluis 5 months ago
@cameronversluis Not even 1 John 3:20 of the NIV?
ezodo17 5 months ago
@ezodo17 The open view doesn't deny that God knows everything ;)
cameronversluis 5 months ago
@cameronversluis That to me doesn't make any sense. Knowing everything includes knowing what could and what will happen. If god is all knowing, then how can there be any open events for god to change?
ezodo17 5 months ago
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@cameronversluis That to me doesn't make any sense. Knowing everything includes knowing what could and what will happen. If god is all knowing, then how can there be any open events for god to change?
ezodo17 5 months ago
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@ezodo17 The open view doesn't deny that God knows everything ;)
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ezodo17 6 months ago
The point is that it's NOT God. Contrary to what many pastors nowadays would have you think, God is not the secret mastermind of tragedies and evil things. Sometimes God would instruct killings or allow capital punishment in the Old Testament, but from a close reading of the WHOLE Scriptures, it seems clear to me that the full revelation of God comes only in the person of Jesus Christ. Throughout the OT, God always had more to say about himself, but in Jesus it is all said and done.
austinmrogers04 6 months ago
God enjoys watching violence, massive bloodshed and suffering. Read your Bible.
rcguy69 6 months ago
Answer at 03:41:
"Satan, Demons, Fallen Angels"
Nothing new here, and not worth listening to.
encyclopediadam 6 months ago