@CountRobVonRolf haha i saw this whole thing like you do a few years back, and I can tell you I know what you mean perfectly but also trust me that there is a lot of joy to be had once you really grasp what this really is all about which took me years of practice and constant studying, I can tell you one thing for sure, if you dont like it or makes u uneasy, let it go and persue something that works for you. The course and GAry is the best thing that has happened to me, every1´s´path is difernt
ACIM people can be a bit dogmatic for me. If you have an alternative view of spirituality or the world then that's your ego ignorance for them because basically it doesn't fit the paradigm. My difficulty with the teaching is that it tells what to think and results in people going around dictating to the rest of us how reality is according to the text. Could you be satisfied spouting someone else's wisdom?
@timtrek if the people are being dogmatic, they have not grasped the truth of the course, just as all religions are dogmatic and do the same. :) There are those who have studied and found the truth. They don't push it nor spout the "gospel", etc., etc. The show the truth by their actions. Blessings! And ALL religions are based upon someone "esle's" wisdom. WHat wisdom do you have that you have not learned through someone else, books, etc?
@CountRobVonRolf Consciousness was the first split put it in the mind after the separation from God. It implies duality because you have to be conscious of something. Whereas awareness is different, it's perfect Oneness. Our true reality.
If you dont understand it or think it is BS that is fine. If you enjoy life go enjoy. However if something about this idea appeals to you, within you, chances are this is your time to align with your real purpose. If so, read Garys book, or A Course in Miracles, and do the workbook in there when you think you are ready
"i can only show you the door, you are the one that has to walk through it" ;)
that we can experience life, which is the whole purpose of creation so you can experience who you are, in any way you choose. Its all just a game, a musical score. a dream that never ends. because if it ended thered be nothing happening litterally anywhere. hope this helps. peace
Right now you do have a ''seperate'' conscience, but one day will come where all souls will reunite into the one soul. You see the one soul is actually everything you see around you and including you. And you can know this to be true because our bodies are made out of atoms, which can be broken down further and further until nothing is left but vibrational energy, which is all that ther really is.
and i know it seems now that youd rather not reincarnate, but thats theonlyway.
hell is when spirit, or god as people call it, gets lost in the identification and illusion of seprateness from all that is. when someone experiences anger or guilt, the ego has made that REAL and hence there is a "hell". heaven is the reality of oneness with god and all that is. in a way we are one big family but all are one.
I just started going to a Course Study and there's an apparent issue with the "facillatator" about the fact that my copy is from 1993. Thing is that I didn't know that I was "supposed" to have a new copy before I walked in.
I just want to offer the idea that the statement "We are another ego born into this world as a baby" is not a cause for guilt, and no true teacher is saying that.
Umm....no kidding, which is why I put "Cathloic and Jewish guilt" in quotation marks.
There IS no "true teacher" except God. All the rest of the "gurus" just go on the internet because of anger, disapointment issues and lamenting the world.
So do yourself a favor........STOP.........travelo see the rest of the planet.....get laid...
be happy....It's "God's" ONLY Will for all of us here.
Oh and btw, before you go on about how "supercillious my "ego" is, let ME offer YOU something....
Ego is not Self, it just pretends to be. Without ego, there's still someone who likes chocolates or avoids cooked carrots, who cusses up a storm or speaks very gently, still someone who represents a unique snowflake of God's power operating through one individuated form
Ego is not Self, and yours is a prickly one isn't it? Yes you say without ego there's still "someone" who does X, Y, Z. Actually that isn't a someone. It's just tendencies of a separative mind believing that these tendencies constitute a separate self...a "snowflake" of God's power.
Tell me, is your mean-spiritedness and defensiveness just part of being one of God's snowflakes? Or is it just hate and self-loathing that you project on others when they offer an innocent comment on YouTube?
Not to react, not to revise or embellish or expound, not even to respond, but simply to listen is a gift. When we are able to be truly silent, to truly listen, then God can speak. This is a discipline.
Mother Teresa points out that what we have to say is never as essential as what God says to us and through us: 'All our words are useless if they do not come from within. Words that do not carry the light of Christ only increase the darkness
"The body is a projection, wich comes from the mind."
The idea is that we are holographs, projected by a beam reflected by our sun onto the earth. Some lightshow ay,.. aint that fucking credible or what!?
It is that "you" are not the body that you think you are, and that you are spirit, one with God, which is real.
Regarding how we can differentiate whether this "god" is just another illusion created by the ego, the answer is that just like everything else in life, you will only know through experience.
But only your own intuition can convince you to explore the possibility . It can't be proven to you.
so if we are not in the body and we just THINK we are in the body..what is it that we are in ?:-) Every time we refer to the body we dont really refer to the body but to...what? It seems that we cant KNOW the body we can only FEEL it..
God is a spirit, and all is within the spirit. That includes your ego and its illusions. Our mind spirit is said to know the truth, while our ego is living in an illusion since it seperated itself. (i dont why) So our body is a holograph like i said in the other comment. Meaning the planet is real, but al living things are illusions,.. yup your cat is a fake.
In the end the idea is that we are all god, we just dont know it, and have to find out
ok, so we think we identify with the body but we identify with what we only think the body is ....the body and the mind are sort of playing a game with each other..and the game is an illusion..as you say the Spirit knows the Truth(which is the Truth of the body as well!) but the mind doesnt...nevertheless we are convinced that the ego-mind is telling the Truth..
Dont try to rationalize it,... its his personal illusion, dont make it yours.
I got my own little theory on life, god, perception, ego etc. People like these are nuts, but say interesting things. So only accept that wich makes sense to you, and dont try to make it fit into your little world.
Creat your own little world. Nobody knows truth, so you are free to find your own explanations for things.
I think we are our bodies, but we are everything else too we are not separate but we choose to give ourselves the illusion of seperateness to explore.
You dont need to beleive in God to get to heaven we are all already there but need to wake up to it
Have u ever thought about why in church, especially catholic, basic that spread to the rest and changed, speaks latin? The language of the murders of Jesus? Where is the original aramaic stuff?
WOW~"church-Catholic-latin~ The language of the murders of Jesus" quite a Big clue that leads to a wild imagination... yet I hv to grip tite of the faith of "bodily delusion" or I fall hard again thru the worldly tale of crucified; the whack-off J's body actually help finishin' up his plan(as he knew it) whereas His scheme(for da chosen) completed perfectly, as always.
did G.I.Gurdjieff( the 4th way) speak aramaic as well? how many speak armaic nowadays?~the Lost Treasure is recruiting 'em~!:-)
there is some kind of RESEMBLANCE between ego and body..so even though body is a projection of ego it gets its appearance from the ego..so that body exists WITHIN the borders of ego..its totally ENGROSSED in it ...BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE DONT HAVE BODIES! Moreover there is something perfect about body which cannot be said about ego..our daily attention is 99% on ego not on the body -which is beautiful once we manage to focus on it. Our body is POSSESED by ego and so is the mind...:-)
Question: how many egos are there? If my ego never separated would I still exist, I mean? Shit. I LIKE being myself!!!! If your bullshit was true well, I have a long time to be selfish and "egotistical".
Studies show that genes+the environment=organism's behaviour,or the identity of the organism or the ego...There does not seems to be anything beyond matter that shapes the organism,...and there does not seems to be anything that reincarnates,.... besides we do not have any proofs for these extraordinary claims...
Gary tells people that revelation, oneness with God is the only truth, seeing ,arten & pursah, is something that takes place in the dream of perception,after revelation all the world is seen as a dream & realized as not reality.
God did not create individuals. the term sons of God is used to refer to the seemingly split off parts of the sonship, the ones who dream they are seperate.
acim uses Son of God singularly to describe Christ which is perfect oneness which i am in my atonement Thanks
Before gary, arten,pursa, jesus I am thats the holy instant.
The form that matters not includes all of this world, space & time, bodies, brains, the thoughts you think you think, all of the words that have ever been written or read, including the words of ACIM.
Hear me well. The purpose of ACIM is for you to, in a moment of joy, toss it aside & go beyond it to the experience of the peace of God. In the moment of your knowing, ACIM shall become irrelevant.Turn toward God not dream form idols
Good for you that you have gone beyond methods. Others need methods to deprogram from societal brainwashing/conditioning. ACIM is excellent for that. Then they can "toss" it. I have experienced self-realization but I still find it an inspiring and beautiful text. To each his own path.
yes my salvation is the salvation of the world .Thanks. according to acim my only responsibility as a teacher of God or miracle worker is my own atonement.. There is no us others or them only you need methods healing is only of your mind
Hey Tom. Can you clarify a bit? You're seem to be a student of ACIM and what you're saying makes sense, but I'm still confused with some of your statements.
Thank you for the clarification and I may be misunderstanding what you mean, but it sounds like we're thinking basically the same thing. When you say: "The course can only be studied within the ego's framework"? The Course is written to help get you out of the Ego's framework, because those who are already outside the Ego would have no use for the Course.
I agree completely with you wrote after that statement.
From a very early age on ( 6 ), I knew that I have known Jesus. His message of love and peace was very different from what we know today. Now you come on the scene and support my inner knowing that we are all one! And you explain how it all works. Thank you. My memories are vague, but have very strong feelings of truth attached. Do you feel what I mean. My ego feels mighty challanged though. I will get there. Thanks again for your courage and your friends to appear.
this is a wonderful post by NR. actually watching the set for a second time & i made a playlist for it. did wonder if i heard a few things clearly? did he say he thinks we cannot spiritualize matter, the body, etc.? it's fine if we to part company on aspects [or all!], of course. just was unclear to me what he meant. imh experience nothing exists outside of god/the singularity/spirit/mind...so it sounded a little inconsistent from the rest of the message.
@MASTERASOKA I have actually. I find your judgement of whether Gary has had the experience or not interesting, however. Is his halo not bright enough??
You've got a big ego?
Looks like you need Jesus' INTENSIVE CARE UNIT!
TreeGh0st 2 months ago
this isn't lapfox trax, FOR SHAME!
KnobNB 2 months ago
@CountRobVonRolf haha i saw this whole thing like you do a few years back, and I can tell you I know what you mean perfectly but also trust me that there is a lot of joy to be had once you really grasp what this really is all about which took me years of practice and constant studying, I can tell you one thing for sure, if you dont like it or makes u uneasy, let it go and persue something that works for you. The course and GAry is the best thing that has happened to me, every1´s´path is difernt
TheLozano066 6 months ago
@CountRobVonRolf
once you reach that wholeness, you are not seperate from anybody, everyone you have every loved and cared about are one with you forever and ever.
TheLozano066 6 months ago
ACIM people can be a bit dogmatic for me. If you have an alternative view of spirituality or the world then that's your ego ignorance for them because basically it doesn't fit the paradigm. My difficulty with the teaching is that it tells what to think and results in people going around dictating to the rest of us how reality is according to the text. Could you be satisfied spouting someone else's wisdom?
timtrek 9 months ago
@timtrek if the people are being dogmatic, they have not grasped the truth of the course, just as all religions are dogmatic and do the same. :) There are those who have studied and found the truth. They don't push it nor spout the "gospel", etc., etc. The show the truth by their actions. Blessings! And ALL religions are based upon someone "esle's" wisdom. WHat wisdom do you have that you have not learned through someone else, books, etc?
symphonicaura 1 month ago
wow !what gary is saying is exactly what our teacher in pranic healing was talking to us about,the seperation that became duality..etc etc
LOULOUBIO 1 year ago
very, very interesting. THX Alan
xPirus26 1 year ago
@CountRobVonRolf Consciousness was the first split put it in the mind after the separation from God. It implies duality because you have to be conscious of something. Whereas awareness is different, it's perfect Oneness. Our true reality.
YARTES2K8 1 year ago
@CountRobVonRolf
If you dont understand it or think it is BS that is fine. If you enjoy life go enjoy. However if something about this idea appeals to you, within you, chances are this is your time to align with your real purpose. If so, read Garys book, or A Course in Miracles, and do the workbook in there when you think you are ready
"i can only show you the door, you are the one that has to walk through it" ;)
KColds 1 year ago
@CountRobVonRolf
that we can experience life, which is the whole purpose of creation so you can experience who you are, in any way you choose. Its all just a game, a musical score. a dream that never ends. because if it ended thered be nothing happening litterally anywhere. hope this helps. peace
bat5jamma 1 year ago
@CountRobVonRolf
Right now you do have a ''seperate'' conscience, but one day will come where all souls will reunite into the one soul. You see the one soul is actually everything you see around you and including you. And you can know this to be true because our bodies are made out of atoms, which can be broken down further and further until nothing is left but vibrational energy, which is all that ther really is.
and i know it seems now that youd rather not reincarnate, but thats theonlyway.
bat5jamma 1 year ago
i understand that this is an illusion and the real reality is in heaven. however, what about hell? someone reply
screamosk8rkid 2 years ago
hell is when spirit, or god as people call it, gets lost in the identification and illusion of seprateness from all that is. when someone experiences anger or guilt, the ego has made that REAL and hence there is a "hell". heaven is the reality of oneness with god and all that is. in a way we are one big family but all are one.
TheGhost2810 2 years ago
I just started going to a Course Study and there's an apparent issue with the "facillatator" about the fact that my copy is from 1993. Thing is that I didn't know that I was "supposed" to have a new copy before I walked in.
FirstBookOfMike 2 years ago
"We are another ego born into this world as a baby"
So now "Catholic and Jewish guilt" comes to the Course???
I don't think so...next!!!
FirstBookOfMike 2 years ago
I just want to offer the idea that the statement "We are another ego born into this world as a baby" is not a cause for guilt, and no true teacher is saying that.
nostalgiafortruth 2 years ago
Umm....no kidding, which is why I put "Cathloic and Jewish guilt" in quotation marks.
There IS no "true teacher" except God. All the rest of the "gurus" just go on the internet because of anger, disapointment issues and lamenting the world.
So do yourself a favor........STOP.........travelo see the rest of the planet.....get laid...
be happy....It's "God's" ONLY Will for all of us here.
FirstBookOfMike 2 years ago
Oh and btw, before you go on about how "supercillious my "ego" is, let ME offer YOU something....
Ego is not Self, it just pretends to be. Without ego, there's still someone who likes chocolates or avoids cooked carrots, who cusses up a storm or speaks very gently, still someone who represents a unique snowflake of God's power operating through one individuated form
Byeeee. :-)
FirstBookOfMike 2 years ago
Ego is not Self, and yours is a prickly one isn't it? Yes you say without ego there's still "someone" who does X, Y, Z. Actually that isn't a someone. It's just tendencies of a separative mind believing that these tendencies constitute a separate self...a "snowflake" of God's power.
Tell me, is your mean-spiritedness and defensiveness just part of being one of God's snowflakes? Or is it just hate and self-loathing that you project on others when they offer an innocent comment on YouTube?
nostalgiafortruth 2 years ago
Have a nice day anyway.
FirstBookOfMike 2 years ago
Not to react, not to revise or embellish or expound, not even to respond, but simply to listen is a gift. When we are able to be truly silent, to truly listen, then God can speak. This is a discipline.
Mother Teresa points out that what we have to say is never as essential as what God says to us and through us: 'All our words are useless if they do not come from within. Words that do not carry the light of Christ only increase the darkness
FirstBookOfMike 2 years ago
It is a discipline indeed. Thanks for these profound words. Have a good one!
nostalgiafortruth 2 years ago
Ok, now i know a guy who preaches this stuff, and i had some long conversations with him.
You wanna see people like them sweat? Hear em out and turn it around.
They'll tell you,.. your an illusion, god is real. He didnt create you, you created yourself.
So if your an illusion, how do you know god was not created by the ego, wich makes it just another illusion? How can one differentiate?
(They always just know it, but they never can explain it, they just cant.)
Kaandorpius 2 years ago
Also,.. 0:53
"The body is a projection, wich comes from the mind."
The idea is that we are holographs, projected by a beam reflected by our sun onto the earth. Some lightshow ay,.. aint that fucking credible or what!?
Kaandorpius 2 years ago
To Kaandorpius,
The teaching is not that "you" are an illusion.
It is that "you" are not the body that you think you are, and that you are spirit, one with God, which is real.
Regarding how we can differentiate whether this "god" is just another illusion created by the ego, the answer is that just like everything else in life, you will only know through experience.
But only your own intuition can convince you to explore the possibility . It can't be proven to you.
nostalgiafortruth 2 years ago
well said
hamisnow 2 years ago
ditto, great comment. You only have knowingness through experience. Wonderful!
MASTERASOKA 2 years ago
Hmmmm.. How Buddhist. Nice to see it talked about! with no guilt trip.
BestPiperonMars 2 years ago
so if we are not in the body and we just THINK we are in the body..what is it that we are in ?:-) Every time we refer to the body we dont really refer to the body but to...what? It seems that we cant KNOW the body we can only FEEL it..
capekmira 2 years ago
I'll explain to the best of my understanding.
God is a spirit, and all is within the spirit. That includes your ego and its illusions. Our mind spirit is said to know the truth, while our ego is living in an illusion since it seperated itself. (i dont why) So our body is a holograph like i said in the other comment. Meaning the planet is real, but al living things are illusions,.. yup your cat is a fake.
In the end the idea is that we are all god, we just dont know it, and have to find out
Kaandorpius 2 years ago
ok, so we think we identify with the body but we identify with what we only think the body is ....the body and the mind are sort of playing a game with each other..and the game is an illusion..as you say the Spirit knows the Truth(which is the Truth of the body as well!) but the mind doesnt...nevertheless we are convinced that the ego-mind is telling the Truth..
clovek457 2 years ago
Dont try to rationalize it,... its his personal illusion, dont make it yours.
I got my own little theory on life, god, perception, ego etc. People like these are nuts, but say interesting things. So only accept that wich makes sense to you, and dont try to make it fit into your little world.
Creat your own little world. Nobody knows truth, so you are free to find your own explanations for things.
Kaandorpius 2 years ago
I think we are our bodies, but we are everything else too we are not separate but we choose to give ourselves the illusion of seperateness to explore.
You dont need to beleive in God to get to heaven we are all already there but need to wake up to it
tegid699 2 years ago
Have u ever thought about why in church, especially catholic, basic that spread to the rest and changed, speaks latin? The language of the murders of Jesus? Where is the original aramaic stuff?
MysteryGardenProd 2 years ago
WOW~"church-Catholic-latin~ The language of the murders of Jesus" quite a Big clue that leads to a wild imagination... yet I hv to grip tite of the faith of "bodily delusion" or I fall hard again thru the worldly tale of crucified; the whack-off J's body actually help finishin' up his plan(as he knew it) whereas His scheme(for da chosen) completed perfectly, as always.
did G.I.Gurdjieff( the 4th way) speak aramaic as well? how many speak armaic nowadays?~the Lost Treasure is recruiting 'em~!:-)
twiggie 2 years ago
Wow, christians are getting existential now.
Trekcicity 2 years ago
there is some kind of RESEMBLANCE between ego and body..so even though body is a projection of ego it gets its appearance from the ego..so that body exists WITHIN the borders of ego..its totally ENGROSSED in it ...BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE DONT HAVE BODIES! Moreover there is something perfect about body which cannot be said about ego..our daily attention is 99% on ego not on the body -which is beautiful once we manage to focus on it. Our body is POSSESED by ego and so is the mind...:-)
capekmira 2 years ago
Question: how many egos are there? If my ego never separated would I still exist, I mean? Shit. I LIKE being myself!!!! If your bullshit was true well, I have a long time to be selfish and "egotistical".
wildmanchris200 2 years ago
Studies show that genes+the environment=organism's behaviour,or the identity of the organism or the ego...There does not seems to be anything beyond matter that shapes the organism,...and there does not seems to be anything that reincarnates,.... besides we do not have any proofs for these extraordinary claims...
sadhu1987sadhu 2 years ago
Gary tells people that revelation, oneness with God is the only truth, seeing ,arten & pursah, is something that takes place in the dream of perception,after revelation all the world is seen as a dream & realized as not reality.
God did not create individuals. the term sons of God is used to refer to the seemingly split off parts of the sonship, the ones who dream they are seperate.
acim uses Son of God singularly to describe Christ which is perfect oneness which i am in my atonement Thanks
TomTIGER69 3 years ago
he has some great ideas but is deluded
TomTIGER69 3 years ago
worthless to do a hit and run without offering an opposing view. Weak.
kensho3 3 years ago
Before gary, arten,pursa, jesus I am thats the holy instant.
The form that matters not includes all of this world, space & time, bodies, brains, the thoughts you think you think, all of the words that have ever been written or read, including the words of ACIM.
Hear me well. The purpose of ACIM is for you to, in a moment of joy, toss it aside & go beyond it to the experience of the peace of God. In the moment of your knowing, ACIM shall become irrelevant.Turn toward God not dream form idols
TomTIGER69 3 years ago
Good for you that you have gone beyond methods. Others need methods to deprogram from societal brainwashing/conditioning. ACIM is excellent for that. Then they can "toss" it. I have experienced self-realization but I still find it an inspiring and beautiful text. To each his own path.
kensho3 3 years ago
yes my salvation is the salvation of the world .Thanks. according to acim my only responsibility as a teacher of God or miracle worker is my own atonement.. There is no us others or them only you need methods healing is only of your mind
TomTIGER69 3 years ago
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TomTIGER69 3 years ago
Hey Tom. Can you clarify a bit? You're seem to be a student of ACIM and what you're saying makes sense, but I'm still confused with some of your statements.
jackson4socks 3 years ago
I was a student of acim and have gotten beyond IT acim is a begining not an end
The Atonement can only be accepted within you by releasing the inner light.
The course can only be studied within the ego's framework
His "special" sons are many, never one, each one in exile from himself,
Complexity is not of God. 2 How could it be, when all He knows is One? 3 He knows of one creation, one reality, one truth and but ONE SON. ...
TomTIGER69 3 years ago
Thank you for the clarification and I may be misunderstanding what you mean, but it sounds like we're thinking basically the same thing. When you say: "The course can only be studied within the ego's framework"? The Course is written to help get you out of the Ego's framework, because those who are already outside the Ego would have no use for the Course.
I agree completely with you wrote after that statement.
jackson4socks 3 years ago
The thing is that the universe might actually be eternal.
neoseyes 3 years ago
wonderful gary, thank you very much. xox
RevieInRollers444 3 years ago
Hi Gary,
From a very early age on ( 6 ), I knew that I have known Jesus. His message of love and peace was very different from what we know today. Now you come on the scene and support my inner knowing that we are all one! And you explain how it all works. Thank you. My memories are vague, but have very strong feelings of truth attached. Do you feel what I mean. My ego feels mighty challanged though. I will get there. Thanks again for your courage and your friends to appear.
Nadja.
nadjab20 3 years ago
this might be true but he is a shy talker. I have heard that he doesnt like to bring in his personal life.
ParadigmProduction 3 years ago
this is a wonderful post by NR. actually watching the set for a second time & i made a playlist for it. did wonder if i heard a few things clearly? did he say he thinks we cannot spiritualize matter, the body, etc.? it's fine if we to part company on aspects [or all!], of course. just was unclear to me what he meant. imh experience nothing exists outside of god/the singularity/spirit/mind...so it sounded a little inconsistent from the rest of the message.
tetragramgoddess11 3 years ago
Yes this is true. ACIM is perhaps the deepest spiritual book/path that one can follow.
It redifines common terms in new ways. Pure spirit doesnt have form, therefore we cannot spiritualize anything.
Thats not to say that things in the world cannot have influence us. We are not to deny this.
ParadigmProduction 3 years ago
I appreciate Gary's words, however, it is clear he is speaking from knowledge and not experience. That leaves one a little lacking.
MASTERASOKA 3 years ago
Have you read his books? If you had I think you would know that he definitely speaks from experience.
martop1 3 years ago
My question dear Martop1 to you is, have you had the experience?
MASTERASOKA 2 years ago
@MASTERASOKA I have actually. I find your judgement of whether Gary has had the experience or not interesting, however. Is his halo not bright enough??
martopau 2 years ago