I don't know if that's Aikido or not. All I know in Aikido enemy must attack first, if they don't attack then solve the conflict without any fist, kick or grapple.
In our style, Tomiki, or what some people call Shodokan Aikido, it would be a version of Shomen-ate. And it works even better if the person is attacking you. I have used this neck version on the street before and the guy got knocked cold, I felt bad, but I was trying to help his friend, who was getting stomped, and he thought I was a bad guy too and tried to knock my head off!
thats not aikido as much as it is a CHOKE SLAM!!!!!!! haha this is like someone punching someone randomly and saying they are a pro boxer lol aikido will never be in a street fight cause it dont work!
@recshooter no but grabbing a guy by the neck when he isn't attacking you is not a fight try that move on someone who is ready and in a proper stance, if i sneak up behind you and put you in an rnc im not using bjj im just being a douche
@comradebashu The officer had told him to take his hands out of his pockets. The guy would not do it. He had been fighting or threatening someone earlier. The officer told him repeatedly to take his hands out. The officer even said, "you are making me nervous." The guy could have had a pistol or knife or anything ready to go. The officer had to assume he had that and put him down. Sounds real life to me.
@comradebashu Defiantly you are right this security guy is not using Aikido, and i guess in your mind you are right about Aikido not working in street fight.... but I wonder why the police and many security forces and teams actually train in Aikido now... I am still trying to figure that out seen as Aikido does not work. :-)
On the street, Aikido is not pretty. I have done this exact move, It is a modified Shomen Ate. It is a takedown in this case, and you must agree it worked. It works the same when you are attacked. I love all the 'experts' who have never stepped a foot into an Aikido Dojo.
Neither of those were fights. One is a dude blindsiding someone who wont fight back cause he's facing a cop, the other is a guy going a long with a demo. Aikido sure works well when people don't fight back though I suppose.
@MrRichstitch - of course theres no fight when you hit your head hard to the ground. im from aikido kubujutso from the philippines and we practice combat aikido. we creat damage before we apply aikido techniques.
that's the exact opposite of aikido. he's just grabbing the throat and tackling him. i could do that. anyone could do that.
in the martial arts demo, he is not holding his opponent around the throat. and notice he hardly has to move to execute. the cop has to explode toward the suspect. plus, he's being the aggressor.
Just because it looks like Aikido doesn't mean the guy knew Aikido. In fact, since Aikido is for using the opponents own force against them, I'd have to say this just isn't it. The officer was basically tackling the suspect by grabbing his throat and running. Guy can't run backwards as fast as the officer can run forward, especially when he's caught off guard.
It also includes entering techniques in which the thrower intercepts the force before it can develop, which is kind of what we are seeing here, but not exactly.
LoL...aikidokas don't do that...Aikidokas are the 1 who waits the attack of the opponent...as you can see the video his forcing the opponent to take down...if i were the police i won't do that...i have my partner and if he force to let go then thats the time i'll use the 1 of the techniques in aikido...
you missed the point there. its the same technique, kinda.... this seem more like an overwhelming force on the neck rather then lifting the chin like in the technique.
The technique is more to do with the shifting of balance. The idea is just to keep the opponent upright while you step in and behind him. It's nothing complicated but it's definitely a move taught in aikido, just without the throat grab as was shown. Who wants to beat up ukes nice enough to volunteer?
i agree all the cop did was push the guy down from the neck the real technique u hav to lift or u r just doin wat the cop is doin... just pushing him down
Most of seem unable to differntiate between the philosophy of Aikido and it's techniques. This is an Aikido technique, although it's used in many other styles too."Way of Harmony" doesn't entail waiting for your opponent to try and clout you so you can blend with his energy peacefully. How about ending the situation without anyone being hurt?
I don't think alot of people see that in the end the guy is ok, in fact the officer even grabs the guy's arm on the way down to keep him from banging too hard. I would say that is much better than a taser.
AT LAST somebody who actually understands and can seperate between the 'harmony' of philosophy and the 'harmony' of a technique. Attacking isn't the aiki way but neutralising a possible threat is.
@JonnyBauer THANK YOU! That's what I've tried to say MANY times! Sometimes you HAVE to act FIRST, to prevent a bad situation FROM occurring! Spot on!!!
Most of you seem unable to differntiate between the philosophy of Aikido and it's techniques.This cop thought the guy might have a weapon in his pocket (if you watch the original clip). Do you really think O'Sensei would have waited for the guy to draw a weapon and come at him? "Way of Harmony" doesn't necessarily mean you have to wait for them to attack. How about the harmony from ending the confrontation on your own terms with neither party being injured?
I don't see much Aikido here. I don't care if attacked or not. I mean, in a real randori the Aikidoka who doesn't attack first, but await to be attacked is dead meat LOL.
But in this video it seems to me just a strike to the throat with a push down, no misubi of any kind. I don't see a real connection there.
Interesting comments here. SO, when I am training in Aikido, when I am uke, I am not doing Aikido because I am attacking? Hmmm. Then what am I doing, if not Aikido? When you do Karate, and you attack someone, are you not doing Karate?
I would say that it's not akido on the grounds that akido is strongly defensive;
the point of the move above is to redirect the attacker's energy behind him (by forcing the chin up as his spine follows) thus the direction of the attacker's energy goes from forward to directly up, from which the defender can manipulate it.
technically the notion behind disorienting the opponent's center to take them down is there but... it's also in any tackle you see in the NFL.
aikido' s main principle if you will is to redirect engergy of your nage or attacker....this person who the "security guard" slammed to the ground wasn't redirecting anything, he's just a common thug dressed up in a security uniform.
This is not Aikido, the Security guard or what ever he is, is using brute strength (look at the way he moves) and it is a smash to the Adams apple, not a very good idea if you wish to restrain someone or PRESERVE LIFE... If you actually look at the Aikido Sensei in the clip you'll notice he controls the attacker by the HEAD not the THROAT, and he puts the attackers head down towards the attackers 3rd rear point, destroying his posture and balance. No strength needed, BASIC AIKIDO!
Incorrect, in UK & most law ANY force is okay, including lethal, IF, IF IF IF - you can show it was Justifiable, Reasonable, NECESSARY (you HAD to do it) and Proportional to the threat. So WHAT you do can be anything, if it was APPROPRIATE to do it in that situation is the legal debate.
@ipwnallways Actually the technique is to hit the far upper part of the chest with the whole hand and slide up and then walk through. He did it correctly. If he was warranted to use it, that could be a different story. I only saw the little 10 second clip. What were the other circumstances of the call?
the guy was not complying. The officer was not risking any harm to himself and made a swift move. Watch the real vid hes his eyes are glazed out of his mind.
What's the difference? And don't tell me he's not "redirecting" his attacker's energy. I'd call planting the guy on his back a pretty compelling redirection of ki.
The difference is the type & amount of force being used. The officer uses like 100 pounds brute force and some feet to slam a guy while the aiki sensei apparently uses ounces or only few pounds in comparison nd moves a fraction as much. there is also a difference in type of strength- the aiki sensei seems use more 'elasticity' but the officer uses more stiff tension. To an untrained eye, such differences appear obscure.
Es interesante leer, que concepto tienen la gente de aikido, y como limitan su significado...
La gente se debería más dedicar a practicar artes marciales y no a encasillarse en etiquetas de esto es yudo, karate o aikido... O Sensei no limitaba su Aikido, sino que se dedicó a perfeccionar tecnicas que el aprendió de otras artes marciales. Por último, la mayoría de los grandes maestros terminan haciendo una cantidad de cosas iguales..pues el ser humano es UNO.
shoving a guy (who has his hands in his pocket) by the throat is Aikido? Thats an unprovoked attack, and metro police brutality!
If only the white idiot in the shirt, was prepared, and so happened to take two steps back, let the officer reach for his neck, then proceed to grab the officerss wrist, twist- break-off and introduce the officer to the pavement.. now THATs Aikido. Self defence man!
They guy could be pulling out a knife. But I agree, it does seem very heavy-handed. But a reversal like you suggest would get you killed in this situation--cops don't lose. Plus the guy obviously has no MA training.
The point of Aikido is not that you MUST protect your attacker. It is that you have, with every technique, the CHOICE whether to protect or destroy. O'Sensei used the metaphor of the sword, not the shield. The sword of true Budo gives the choice, to protect life or to destroy it.
If the guy had a knife in his poket,thing that I strongly doubt,the cop would get in a ground fighting situation versus an armed man,as u can see in the video as the cop makes contact the guy pulls out his empty hands,if the guy was holding a knife or pistol the cop would have died.
so the cop is a fool,both for not thinking enough,and being a violent man.
Very nice. But one thing--you will note that Sensei doesn't push his Uke straight. He actually pushes UP slightly. This is more effective. Note how long it takes for Nage to bring Uke down in the "street fight" simulation. This is because Nage pushes horizontally and Uke can just backpedal. Sensei's slight upward thrust prevents this, and brings Uke down immediately.
And, O'Sensei in his younger years taught that Nage initiates many Aikido techniques. It's OK, it's Aikido, it's effective.
nice, using an arm to throat take down. They are hitting a place where a person becomes unbalanced which is good. It is a simple yet effective move, however, if the person was skilled, the other person could have went into his opponents center of gravity and possibly kill him by effectively making the other guy land on his head and shatter his skull wide open.
Cool, aikido really are effective at some/many points, but they should mix more kicks, defend against sidekick, miay thai defence and more punches because in 2008 with no armour it is most effective in most cases to kick or hit?
yeah, not aikido, but still a cool video. the aikido move that is similar actualy goes for the lower jaw as apposed to the throat in order to offbalance the attacker by forcing back his head. this guy just went for a choke slam... but again still a really cool video. :)
what kind of aikido is this? I think "Aikido" should be taken out of the title because that isnt what this is. That sensei who is demonstrating is doing something different.
That is a real fight. Every fight I've seen with an Aikidoka basically goes like that one. We don't stand around waiting for the guy to get into a stance and start throwing punches so we can go "Ooh, he's thrown a punch, lets do a technique" like sportsmen do. We enter in the nanosecond things look like getting violent and bring the person under control before he can fight back.
If you take a single hit in a real fight you could be dead, so we avoid that.
Only sportsmen fight, they get paid to get punched in the face. Aikidoka don't, so as soon as a situation looks like turning violent we enter in. We don't wait for our opponent to get into a stance and start throwing punches, that's how people get stabbed.
Done propperly it should look like the Aikidoka started the fight.
Then you're in direct violation of the philosophy and teachings of o sensei, which means you are not using the technique properly after all because they are allegedly designed specifically for the point at which force is applied against the defender.
That's interesting considering that the techniques as allegedly created by o sensei are supposed to only work in the face of an attack. They were supposedly only defensive in nature and could not be used in offense by virtue of their actual application. So it's not aikido then but some other thing your creduloid friend and you are talking about.
It's not me who insisted to call this aikido in order to advocate a erronous position; it was you. If that is what you wish to call it, then change the name. Otherwise, you can continue to be wrong.
That continues to assume that the cop acquired this particular neck grab from aikido instruction. There is no evidence whatsoever that he has any connection aikido. As I said, to be accurate, you have to remove "aikido" and "street fight" from the title. To not do so strongly implies that you are an aikido advocate and apologist; in other words, a cultist. This is particularly the case considering the many other aikido videos claiming "fights" that are not; it's a simple arrest, not a fight.
It can't be an assault either because that would assume the police officer was in violation of the law. I saw him interviewed and he ddin't get in trouble. Man this is tough. I don't know what to call it to be accurate..I remember he did refer to it as "his technique" but didn't elaborate. "throat slam" The guy wasn't slammed nor was his throat. Plus that smalks of pro wrestling cultism. Right now I'm at "blank in a real parking lot blank"
Thinking of throat slam again..wasn't Kazushi Sakuraba and those pancrase, rings etc. pro-wrestlers once...Great Scott is pro-wrestling real? It has truly been a mind expanding conversation ..thanks
Neck grab, neck grab? Like Patrick Swayze in roadhouse? Ha! You sir I suspect of being a "Road House" Movie cultist/apologist. I ask you to remove your comment. Too not do so strongly implies that you are a "Road House" advocate. This is particularly the case considering the movie claimed to have used the technique at the end and yet it was choreographed!
Bulldust. To wait is to get smashed yourself. It's called initiative. Attack and defense are one and the same. If you look at Admiral Takeshita's Kon, you'll see that Ueshiba countered all judo techniques by initiating them before he actually got grabbed or hit. The true philosophy is to bring harmony about (i.e. no more resistance from the assailant) morally and ethically, without going overboard and causing as little injury as possible.
Yea, I don't see this being Aikido. The officer lunged at the guys neck, the guy didn't try to attack the officer forcing the officer to use momentum to his advantage.
and shioda gozo is not by my stanards a very solid aikido sensei.. however he does not atack his neck he is actually stopping his advancement by putting his hand infornt of his heck. This is not a standard aikido etiquette tecnnique, it is just a demontration of application not a real technique.
In what respect is this a "real fight"? The idiot drunk had his hands in his pocket and was just standing there. The cop sneak attacked; there was no fight at all. It was a simple neck grab you dolts. The subsequent footage showing an idiot jap student falling down over and over again at the hands of a fraud oriental master is also not a fight. Try again aikido cultists.
Don't be a hater bro. Old Jujutsu works fine if you know what you're doing, but you're not going to learn it in a few months. That's the main reason people don't think it works in a real fight is, because don't understand it at all. It's for people can grasp the concept, which most jock types can't.
Um, if you were intelligent enough to also read the passage, you would understand it was a comparison of the two scenarios, and the technique is not exclusive to aikido. It was like most street fights, over in a matter of seconds. Anything is a ring is a sport. Open your eyes to reality.
Read "the passage"???? What passage are you talking about? The description on the video says this, "I approve all comments as long as there is no foul language". Try again. This was not a street fight; it's obvious that you have never been in a fight in your entire life if you think this was a steet fight. Once again; a guy standing there doing nothing while another sneak attacks him is an assault; not a street fight. Here it was done to arrest a drunk. What planet do you people come from?
How about this for a title, "Cop neck strikes drunk". You have zero evidence/proof of any kind that this cop practices aikido, learned this particular technique from an aikido fraud master, or otherwise has any connection to anything aikido. Leave aikido out of it entirely.
I wasn't trying to say the cop practices aikido, maybe he does...I don't even practice aikido! However it IS an aikido technique along with various other traditional martial arts. It is ironic the most flack I get is from MMA extremists AND Aikido extremists. Hey, at least you guys agree on something!
Even more reason to remove aikido entirely from the title. The way it is now, you're suggesting to people that aikido was actually used. For that to be the case, the cop would have to be an actual practioner; since we don't know whether he is, you're projecting aikido in a false light. He could have learned that technique from anywhere or made it up himself. The same is true of the word "fight" because there was no fight here at all.
Also, if you want to get technical about it; the cop struck and grabbed the guy's neck at the same time. The fraud aikido master you show actually doesn't strike to the neck in the same manner but to the lower chin, upper face, and side of the face. He also does not hold the guy, nor does he lunge forward in the same manner as the cop. Furthermore, aikido techniques require an attack because of the "peaceful" BS nature of aikido. So it's not the same technique at all.
OK so to "fight" you have to have a lackluster first technique or one that completely fails..check
The hands cannot be moved a few inches in the actual encounter than was practiced in the dojo..check
So in mma when a guy goes for an armbar and his hands aren't in the correct position or the opponents palm is not face up he is not "really" doing an armbar....interesting. Come to think of it I don't think I have ever watched a "real" judo match, even in the olympics!
Fail again; "street fight" requires at least two people who are committing physical aggression, resistance, and assault upon one another; no techniques have to "fail" etc. The 'technique" the aikido fraud displayed was not an attack to the throat, it was to the face/side of the head every time. You're really reaching for any grounds on which to pin your belief in aikido. Sorry, it doesn't work, and this is not a fight.
I have seen it taught like that...I was GIVING you that point since most of the time it is to the face or jaw. If two inches in a real situation is the difference between something being a technique or not....lol like I said by that logic I have never seen a real judo match to say nothing of MMA. I wonder if the tech. had NOT worked; would you be on here saying no no no that's not aikido?
Guess you didn't want to approve my last post; wonder why? Here is another way in which the cop's technique differs from the fraud aikido master's "technique". The cop uses a trip with this throat grab; see it at 0:08 and 0:09. The aikido fraud did not use any sort of trip; he just had an idiot running at him and falling down over and over again. Also, the cop is clearly using a throat grab while the aikido "master" is just slapping the guy in the face; qualitatively different altogether.
LOL I don't get why this vid is so threatening...I've practiced a little bit of traditional and the modern sport stuff. I enjoyed it all. I just don't understand the extremism where Tratdional guys say sports are bad and the Sport guys say all the traditional guys are bad. I think both camps can benefit and learn from each other...I know that "thinking independant" type stuff is not in style right now though.
And I don't understand why creduloids enjoy making absurd and unsubtantiated claims; such as the latest one you just made...The vid is "threatening"???? No, it is not at all. It is simply not accurate and deserves to be called out as such. The other amusing thing is that you call people who question and doubt the bullshido spewed forth from these fakes as "extremism". It is not extremism to challenge the accuracy of claims made, particularly when they are delivered with clear deception.
OHHHHHH I see now. Yes that is a form of "extremism"
I haven't met too many aikido instructors who I felt could teach aikido very well to work in real situations. Back when I used to practice I would have friends glove up and we would go at it. I learned alot. There are some good techniques in aikido. There is some fluffy stuff too. I just don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water.
No, calling something bullshido is not extremism. Creduloids such as you would have it that way; but sorry, not the case. The only extremism here are the aikido cultists like you who cling to the notion that somehow an aikido fraud master of the type seen towards the end of your video can effortlessly pwn an attacker with silly face slaps. The crediblity of the system has to be judged by those who teach and how they train it; as it is today, it has none.
LOL Hello! I'm NOT an aikido cultist. The aikido cultists same the SAME thing you do! I said there are some good techs. in aikido and there are some fluff. I said I've seen very few instructors who could teach aikido to be used in reality. I said the majority of application skills I learned on my own. I even said I no longer practice aikido. LOL I must be a very terrible cultist. You however have held to a "party line" if you well even in the face of the armbar example. Who is the extremist?
And yes, slapping to the face is very different from grabbing the throat at the adams apple. Two inches can make an enormous difference; but it's not just the distance that is telling here. It is the overall intent. The cop obviously wanted to put down and control the drunk; that simply isn't going to happen by slapping a guy in the face. The aikido "master" clearly wanted to demonstrate that he could pwn someone with the slightest of effort, which is pure fantasy. Sorry, not the same.
Nope, that means he either missed the armbar or still has to work it. There would be no mistaking, however, an armbar for something else even if he missed it.. Here, the cop used a neck grab; that is not the same as a slap to the face. And again, the cop used this offensively; whereas the aikido fraud requires that his idiot student run directly at him while flailing about and falling down to a poorly delivered face slap.
Try reading the actual posting. There would be no mistaking an armbar or an attempted armbar that failed for something else. Just by watching it one can see it for what it is. The same is true for your video; the cop used a neck grab and trip, the aikido fraud master used silly slaps to the face. Only the most stupefied, credulous aikido cultists will find these things the same
"There would be no mistaking an armbar or an attempted armbar that failed for something else"..actually using YOUR reasoning, even if the opponent submitted but the person aplying the arm bar didn't have his hands in EXACTLY the same place as (pick a video) then it is NOT an armbar. Of course it is an armbar; I'm just trying to show you the holes in your reasoning.
Aikido techniques do not require an attack and the technique shown would be perfectly acceptable in Aikido. It's a variation of either irime nage or ten chi nage.
Wheather the guy performing it or not is niether here nor there. The important thing is an Aikidoka might do exactly the same thing in that situation.
Anyone might do the same thing whether he studed aikido or not. Compare the neck grab with the pathetic little slaps the fraud master gives to his credulous student. Sorry, not at all the same thing. If he wanted to show these as being one and the same, why not show a master using the same neck grab and trip trick? Answer: because it's not something aikido frauds teach. They teach students how to play act. You're just plain wrong as usual.
Thankyou, you have just proven my point. It shows you what the author intended in the video. Also you have proven to me that YOU have never been in, much less seen a street fight. If you square up with your opponent then you are engaged in a sport. Street fights happen whenever, anywhere, with anyone and with anything.
I don't know if that's Aikido or not. All I know in Aikido enemy must attack first, if they don't attack then solve the conflict without any fist, kick or grapple.
bunkerbustercrab 8 months ago
In our style, Tomiki, or what some people call Shodokan Aikido, it would be a version of Shomen-ate. And it works even better if the person is attacking you. I have used this neck version on the street before and the guy got knocked cold, I felt bad, but I was trying to help his friend, who was getting stomped, and he thought I was a bad guy too and tried to knock my head off!
azvideoguy 8 months ago
thats not aikido as much as it is a CHOKE SLAM!!!!!!! haha this is like someone punching someone randomly and saying they are a pro boxer lol aikido will never be in a street fight cause it dont work!
comradebashu 10 months ago 5
@comradebashu So if the first technique had not been so effective THEN it would have been a fight?
recshooter 9 months ago
@recshooter no but grabbing a guy by the neck when he isn't attacking you is not a fight try that move on someone who is ready and in a proper stance, if i sneak up behind you and put you in an rnc im not using bjj im just being a douche
comradebashu 9 months ago 4
@comradebashu The officer had told him to take his hands out of his pockets. The guy would not do it. He had been fighting or threatening someone earlier. The officer told him repeatedly to take his hands out. The officer even said, "you are making me nervous." The guy could have had a pistol or knife or anything ready to go. The officer had to assume he had that and put him down. Sounds real life to me.
recshooter 9 months ago
@comradebashu Defiantly you are right this security guy is not using Aikido, and i guess in your mind you are right about Aikido not working in street fight.... but I wonder why the police and many security forces and teams actually train in Aikido now... I am still trying to figure that out seen as Aikido does not work. :-)
AKLotto 2 months ago
i thought that was nicely done
davetay 1 year ago
that was a guy being pushed, not a "live on the street aikido fight".
diddymuck 1 year ago
The technique worked as it was supposed in a real life situation here. However, i would not consider what was shown here to be a "fight"
BlueNine88 1 year ago
Extra!
Dejan465 1 year ago
Extra!
Dejan465 1 year ago
lol @ that being aikido
ceeIoc 1 year ago
la primera no es aikido.... imposible... para que una técnica de aikido fluya, primero debe de haber una fuerza exterior que la produzca
trabajob 2 years ago
On the street, Aikido is not pretty. I have done this exact move, It is a modified Shomen Ate. It is a takedown in this case, and you must agree it worked. It works the same when you are attacked. I love all the 'experts' who have never stepped a foot into an Aikido Dojo.
azvideoguy 2 years ago
Neither of those were fights. One is a dude blindsiding someone who wont fight back cause he's facing a cop, the other is a guy going a long with a demo. Aikido sure works well when people don't fight back though I suppose.
Nerstow 2 years ago
that was not a fight
colmtrim 2 years ago 4
that wasn't aikido. . . . Aikido you grab em below the chin and push up not the throat
MrRichstitch 2 years ago
@MrRichstitch - of course theres no fight when you hit your head hard to the ground. im from aikido kubujutso from the philippines and we practice combat aikido. we creat damage before we apply aikido techniques.
JINGSEIT123 2 years ago
that's the exact opposite of aikido. he's just grabbing the throat and tackling him. i could do that. anyone could do that.
in the martial arts demo, he is not holding his opponent around the throat. and notice he hardly has to move to execute. the cop has to explode toward the suspect. plus, he's being the aggressor.
Jack59Derringer 2 years ago 9
It's not Aikido.
It's Ninpo.
Look to the hands.
Não é Akido.
É Ninpo.
Olhe para as mãos.
casagrandeosmar 2 years ago
Way to beat up some dude who's standing there with his hands in his pockets.
RangerKozak 2 years ago 13
c'mon dude.... that's all aikido's good for! give them a break! Or a coupon for a BJJ class......
threetoedhobbit 2 years ago
@RangerKozak hahaha .i have to say, you have the funniest comment here.lol
kijokentaijitsu 1 year ago
@RangerKozak hahaha .i have to say, you have the funniest comment here.lol
kijokentaijitsu 1 year ago
dude i could have blocked that easy i could have arm locked him and flipped him trust me I'm so close to my black belt
craccka 2 years ago
Lol, congratulations..................
AikiToraRyu 2 years ago
Either way, what the cop did was effective. I think thats what we should agree on and walk away
EsmaelMajedi 2 years ago
Just because it looks like Aikido doesn't mean the guy knew Aikido. In fact, since Aikido is for using the opponents own force against them, I'd have to say this just isn't it. The officer was basically tackling the suspect by grabbing his throat and running. Guy can't run backwards as fast as the officer can run forward, especially when he's caught off guard.
shaolinking5 2 years ago 3
"In fact, since Aikido is for using the opponents own force against them" the most basic excersises of Aikido would tend to show otherwise.
ketsan 2 years ago
It also includes entering techniques in which the thrower intercepts the force before it can develop, which is kind of what we are seeing here, but not exactly.
xaoseph 2 years ago
you ont have tto wait you can aikido use for attacking too(but you have to be realy good)
gdzdhfdhd 2 years ago
It is Aikido, the technique is nodo tsuki age
kokyu10 2 years ago
LoL...aikidokas don't do that...Aikidokas are the 1 who waits the attack of the opponent...as you can see the video his forcing the opponent to take down...if i were the police i won't do that...i have my partner and if he force to let go then thats the time i'll use the 1 of the techniques in aikido...
valdinmor 2 years ago
you missed the point there. its the same technique, kinda.... this seem more like an overwhelming force on the neck rather then lifting the chin like in the technique.
Crazylalalalala 2 years ago
The technique is more to do with the shifting of balance. The idea is just to keep the opponent upright while you step in and behind him. It's nothing complicated but it's definitely a move taught in aikido, just without the throat grab as was shown. Who wants to beat up ukes nice enough to volunteer?
Nateb123 2 years ago
i agree all the cop did was push the guy down from the neck the real technique u hav to lift or u r just doin wat the cop is doin... just pushing him down
Twitchy1177 2 years ago 2
some times my friend, some times.... :P
radamanthys1 2 years ago
Most of seem unable to differntiate between the philosophy of Aikido and it's techniques. This is an Aikido technique, although it's used in many other styles too."Way of Harmony" doesn't entail waiting for your opponent to try and clout you so you can blend with his energy peacefully. How about ending the situation without anyone being hurt?
JonnyBauer 2 years ago
I don't think alot of people see that in the end the guy is ok, in fact the officer even grabs the guy's arm on the way down to keep him from banging too hard. I would say that is much better than a taser.
recshooter 2 years ago
AT LAST somebody who actually understands and can seperate between the 'harmony' of philosophy and the 'harmony' of a technique. Attacking isn't the aiki way but neutralising a possible threat is.
aikifan77 2 years ago 2
@JonnyBauer THANK YOU! That's what I've tried to say MANY times! Sometimes you HAVE to act FIRST, to prevent a bad situation FROM occurring! Spot on!!!
GJJFan 1 year ago
Most of you seem unable to differntiate between the philosophy of Aikido and it's techniques.This cop thought the guy might have a weapon in his pocket (if you watch the original clip). Do you really think O'Sensei would have waited for the guy to draw a weapon and come at him? "Way of Harmony" doesn't necessarily mean you have to wait for them to attack. How about the harmony from ending the confrontation on your own terms with neither party being injured?
JonnyBauer 2 years ago 3
Same thoughts here...I thought that was common sense but apparently not lol
recshooter 2 years ago
Ditto.
smurfs66 2 years ago
That didn't really seem like a street fight, more like an unprovoked attack.
GChan129 2 years ago 3
I don't see much Aikido here. I don't care if attacked or not. I mean, in a real randori the Aikidoka who doesn't attack first, but await to be attacked is dead meat LOL.
But in this video it seems to me just a strike to the throat with a push down, no misubi of any kind. I don't see a real connection there.
charyuop 2 years ago
This is not Aikido! This just a police control technique! It would have been Aikido if the police officer would have been attacked first.
Gustafa69 2 years ago
Interesting comments here. SO, when I am training in Aikido, when I am uke, I am not doing Aikido because I am attacking? Hmmm. Then what am I doing, if not Aikido? When you do Karate, and you attack someone, are you not doing Karate?
aikicop1 2 years ago
aikido is not agresive..no aikido here
Bhagawann 2 years ago
This is an offensive grab... don't think it falls under Aikido, if the dude rushed him...then you have yourself a vid.
sin2live 2 years ago
I would say that it's not akido on the grounds that akido is strongly defensive;
the point of the move above is to redirect the attacker's energy behind him (by forcing the chin up as his spine follows) thus the direction of the attacker's energy goes from forward to directly up, from which the defender can manipulate it.
technically the notion behind disorienting the opponent's center to take them down is there but... it's also in any tackle you see in the NFL.
i say not akido
tactlessturtle 2 years ago
not aikido, aikido consists of counterattacks, never/rarely offensive attacks, like this video
kapoof2 2 years ago 2
well if aikido consists of counter attacks doesnt there need to be someone using an offensive attack?
cos u cant counter attack someone whos not doing anything
ChSKiDChRiS 2 years ago
good move !!! itsumo aikido kampeki desu
arturomiguelibarra 2 years ago
Steven seagal is better!!!!!!
evilbryce 2 years ago
aikido' s main principle if you will is to redirect engergy of your nage or attacker....this person who the "security guard" slammed to the ground wasn't redirecting anything, he's just a common thug dressed up in a security uniform.
june191970 2 years ago 2
This is not Aikido, the Security guard or what ever he is, is using brute strength (look at the way he moves) and it is a smash to the Adams apple, not a very good idea if you wish to restrain someone or PRESERVE LIFE... If you actually look at the Aikido Sensei in the clip you'll notice he controls the attacker by the HEAD not the THROAT, and he puts the attackers head down towards the attackers 3rd rear point, destroying his posture and balance. No strength needed, BASIC AIKIDO!
DanOMusicLover 2 years ago 2
"This is not Aikido, the Security guard or what ever he is, is using brute strength"
this is not aikido, yadayadayada...only true aikido is with people using skirts and flying into the air before contact.
this is as close to aikido in real life as we're going to see. "aikido" as you know it is coreographed. It's pro-wrestling. Fake.
Eikinkloster 2 years ago
It's Las Vegas police officer, not a security guard.
newdarnaccount 2 years ago
A hit to the atomsapple can cause it to break and then the person chokes on it and dies
Even if its self-defense you still get charged with murder.
Sources: Law Class
ipwnallways 2 years ago
He didn't hit him in the adams apple with force
recshooter 2 years ago
Incorrect, in UK & most law ANY force is okay, including lethal, IF, IF IF IF - you can show it was Justifiable, Reasonable, NECESSARY (you HAD to do it) and Proportional to the threat. So WHAT you do can be anything, if it was APPROPRIATE to do it in that situation is the legal debate.
greg12312 2 years ago
@ipwnallways Actually the technique is to hit the far upper part of the chest with the whole hand and slide up and then walk through. He did it correctly. If he was warranted to use it, that could be a different story. I only saw the little 10 second clip. What were the other circumstances of the call?
securest 1 year ago
THIS video is flagged? LOL Flagged? LOL
recshooter 2 years ago
who knows what the guy in shorts said.
judopathoftruth 2 years ago
hahaha the metro police cracked me up and the second part, that guy was really persistant. xDDD
crimson2knight 3 years ago
wahah nice done, but he didn't attack.. havent seen aikido like this xD
DaRkn1e 3 years ago
theres no street fight if you train in aikido
gonzalojudovm 3 years ago 5
"Street Fight!" :D ROFL
Might as well been a tackle from NFL. lol
ZeroG84 3 years ago 2
the guy was not complying. The officer was not risking any harm to himself and made a swift move. Watch the real vid hes his eyes are glazed out of his mind.
JSKinnovations 3 years ago
This was just a bull rush, grabbing a guy by the throat and throwing him down.
chrisludwig29 3 years ago 3
the so called "attacker" isn't even moving. The cop is the one attacking.
alx1976 3 years ago 5
That's not Aikido, it is just a cop taking a guy down by the throat.
shinshoryuken 3 years ago 12
What's the difference? And don't tell me he's not "redirecting" his attacker's energy. I'd call planting the guy on his back a pretty compelling redirection of ki.
MischaC 3 years ago
I can see both sides but, it does look like an off guard bum rush
smithy0782 3 years ago
The difference is the type & amount of force being used. The officer uses like 100 pounds brute force and some feet to slam a guy while the aiki sensei apparently uses ounces or only few pounds in comparison nd moves a fraction as much. there is also a difference in type of strength- the aiki sensei seems use more 'elasticity' but the officer uses more stiff tension. To an untrained eye, such differences appear obscure.
imbrd 3 years ago 5
Aikido term, Absorb, Expand, or Absorb then Expand.
DanOMusicLover 2 years ago
how was this a street fight?
screwedandchoppedtv 3 years ago 4
it was a fight in the street
hihoware888 3 years ago 2
lol yeah
Alexzhander 3 years ago
i wouldn't call that a fight. more like a take down.
sinthuxmachina 3 years ago 3
mas essa mão aí sera q entra quando se esta com a guarda levantada ???
nao me parece tão eficiente em uma luta.
leosmspr 3 years ago
uh huh? cheap shot.
itachiyates 3 years ago
exactly
xTylerDurden90x 3 years ago
Aikido?
I call that "throat slam a drunk-do"
streeteffective 3 years ago 3
viva españa
lcsisthebest 3 years ago
Es interesante leer, que concepto tienen la gente de aikido, y como limitan su significado...
La gente se debería más dedicar a practicar artes marciales y no a encasillarse en etiquetas de esto es yudo, karate o aikido... O Sensei no limitaba su Aikido, sino que se dedicó a perfeccionar tecnicas que el aprendió de otras artes marciales. Por último, la mayoría de los grandes maestros terminan haciendo una cantidad de cosas iguales..pues el ser humano es UNO.
patodefuego 3 years ago 2
sí muy interesante leer
recshooter 3 years ago
shoving a guy (who has his hands in his pocket) by the throat is Aikido? Thats an unprovoked attack, and metro police brutality!
If only the white idiot in the shirt, was prepared, and so happened to take two steps back, let the officer reach for his neck, then proceed to grab the officerss wrist, twist- break-off and introduce the officer to the pavement.. now THATs Aikido. Self defence man!
IntaMalsi 3 years ago 2
They guy could be pulling out a knife. But I agree, it does seem very heavy-handed. But a reversal like you suggest would get you killed in this situation--cops don't lose. Plus the guy obviously has no MA training.
The point of Aikido is not that you MUST protect your attacker. It is that you have, with every technique, the CHOICE whether to protect or destroy. O'Sensei used the metaphor of the sword, not the shield. The sword of true Budo gives the choice, to protect life or to destroy it.
TinselKoala 3 years ago
If the guy had a knife in his poket,thing that I strongly doubt,the cop would get in a ground fighting situation versus an armed man,as u can see in the video as the cop makes contact the guy pulls out his empty hands,if the guy was holding a knife or pistol the cop would have died.
so the cop is a fool,both for not thinking enough,and being a violent man.
this is police brutality
xTylerDurden90x 3 years ago 2
exactly
UFCNUTTA 3 years ago
Very nice. But one thing--you will note that Sensei doesn't push his Uke straight. He actually pushes UP slightly. This is more effective. Note how long it takes for Nage to bring Uke down in the "street fight" simulation. This is because Nage pushes horizontally and Uke can just backpedal. Sensei's slight upward thrust prevents this, and brings Uke down immediately.
And, O'Sensei in his younger years taught that Nage initiates many Aikido techniques. It's OK, it's Aikido, it's effective.
TinselKoala 3 years ago
NO AIKIDO ...
He attacks.. but aikido in it's normal way (tendoryu style for example), is no martial art to attack someone.
ucon89 3 years ago
Who is the Sensei?
Shioda?
Juupp 3 years ago
the teacher
gomesamman 3 years ago
si esto es aikido...fijo q el otro pavo iba borracho o algo asi...
flowridersL5C 3 years ago
a very rough frontal iriminage :)
Aazmandius 3 years ago
nice, using an arm to throat take down. They are hitting a place where a person becomes unbalanced which is good. It is a simple yet effective move, however, if the person was skilled, the other person could have went into his opponents center of gravity and possibly kill him by effectively making the other guy land on his head and shatter his skull wide open.
renjixsan 3 years ago
Cool, aikido really are effective at some/many points, but they should mix more kicks, defend against sidekick, miay thai defence and more punches because in 2008 with no armour it is most effective in most cases to kick or hit?
Ingve1234 3 years ago
If is not Aikido fr the pure is Aikijutsu/Aikijujitsu so externally is same.Aiki can be used on the street oh ye!!
punhada 3 years ago
looks the same, but it's not the same.
AikiNick102 3 years ago
eso ni es aikido ni pollas................
villlanueva 3 years ago
It is what a cop mind can understand from aikido!
ccatln 3 years ago
lol who's yo daddy? who' yo dady?
naniekso 3 years ago
not really aikido since the cop attacked first
THUND3RB0NE 3 years ago
you are confusing judo and aikido together probably. aikido has attacks in it, judo... not so much.
renjixsan 3 years ago
Why not I see straight irimi technique. It is definitely Aikido.
sunreaper2 3 years ago 18
yeah, not aikido, but still a cool video. the aikido move that is similar actualy goes for the lower jaw as apposed to the throat in order to offbalance the attacker by forcing back his head. this guy just went for a choke slam... but again still a really cool video. :)
kungfuninja314 3 years ago
Aikido?? Hahaha... Don't know about that, bro.
bluecafe22 3 years ago
what kind of aikido is this? I think "Aikido" should be taken out of the title because that isnt what this is. That sensei who is demonstrating is doing something different.
theme99 3 years ago
Do you know something about aikido???hm...
posseidonnnn 3 years ago
choke slam ?? aikido ?? lol
timcash9 3 years ago
hey i've done that to somebody before but i never knew anything about aikido or whatever
antonimbret 3 years ago
WHERE IS THE FIGHT???
GIVE ME A REAL fight with an aikidoka!!
thanks
chamanista 3 years ago
That is a real fight. Every fight I've seen with an Aikidoka basically goes like that one. We don't stand around waiting for the guy to get into a stance and start throwing punches so we can go "Ooh, he's thrown a punch, lets do a technique" like sportsmen do. We enter in the nanosecond things look like getting violent and bring the person under control before he can fight back.
If you take a single hit in a real fight you could be dead, so we avoid that.
ketsan 3 years ago
My comment didn't post, try again.
Only sportsmen fight, they get paid to get punched in the face. Aikidoka don't, so as soon as a situation looks like turning violent we enter in. We don't wait for our opponent to get into a stance and start throwing punches, that's how people get stabbed.
Done propperly it should look like the Aikidoka started the fight.
ketsan 3 years ago
Then you're in direct violation of the philosophy and teachings of o sensei, which means you are not using the technique properly after all because they are allegedly designed specifically for the point at which force is applied against the defender.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
ehhh I don't know how that guy feels but I could care less if I were in direct violation LOL
I believe Shioda left Ueshiba because he didn't go along with the post-war touchy feely philosophy.
recshooter 3 years ago
That's interesting considering that the techniques as allegedly created by o sensei are supposed to only work in the face of an attack. They were supposedly only defensive in nature and could not be used in offense by virtue of their actual application. So it's not aikido then but some other thing your creduloid friend and you are talking about.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
"That's interesting"
Yes it is
"So it's not aikido then but some other thing"
You can call it "flying jaguar fist" if that makes you feel better
recshooter 3 years ago
It's not me who insisted to call this aikido in order to advocate a erronous position; it was you. If that is what you wish to call it, then change the name. Otherwise, you can continue to be wrong.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Ok how bout "aikido derived (but not according to some aikido masters and critics) technique in a street assault
Is that accurate?
recshooter 3 years ago
That continues to assume that the cop acquired this particular neck grab from aikido instruction. There is no evidence whatsoever that he has any connection aikido. As I said, to be accurate, you have to remove "aikido" and "street fight" from the title. To not do so strongly implies that you are an aikido advocate and apologist; in other words, a cultist. This is particularly the case considering the many other aikido videos claiming "fights" that are not; it's a simple arrest, not a fight.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Ok how bout "Similar to Aikido (but not according to some aikido masters and critics) technique in a street assault
No wait I think it was a parking lot. I don't want to be accused of being a street cultist. I must admit I do use streets
"Similar to Aikido (but not according to some aikido masters and critics) technique in a parking lot assault.
Fair?
Still aven't figured out your criteria for a real armbar. You know it when you see it or something, why would that not apply here?
recshooter 3 years ago
you have to remove "aikido"
Hmmm he coud have gotten it from Shotokan, hapkido, tai chi, etc also
'Technique similar to Shotokan, Tai chi, Hapkido, Aikido and others in a real parking lot assault"
recshooter 3 years ago
It can't be an assault either because that would assume the police officer was in violation of the law. I saw him interviewed and he ddin't get in trouble. Man this is tough. I don't know what to call it to be accurate..I remember he did refer to it as "his technique" but didn't elaborate. "throat slam" The guy wasn't slammed nor was his throat. Plus that smalks of pro wrestling cultism. Right now I'm at "blank in a real parking lot blank"
recshooter 3 years ago
Thinking of throat slam again..wasn't Kazushi Sakuraba and those pancrase, rings etc. pro-wrestlers once...Great Scott is pro-wrestling real? It has truly been a mind expanding conversation ..thanks
recshooter 3 years ago
"this particular neck grab"
Neck grab, neck grab? Like Patrick Swayze in roadhouse? Ha! You sir I suspect of being a "Road House" Movie cultist/apologist. I ask you to remove your comment. Too not do so strongly implies that you are a "Road House" advocate. This is particularly the case considering the movie claimed to have used the technique at the end and yet it was choreographed!
recshooter 3 years ago
Bulldust. To wait is to get smashed yourself. It's called initiative. Attack and defense are one and the same. If you look at Admiral Takeshita's Kon, you'll see that Ueshiba countered all judo techniques by initiating them before he actually got grabbed or hit. The true philosophy is to bring harmony about (i.e. no more resistance from the assailant) morally and ethically, without going overboard and causing as little injury as possible.
kensei1984 3 years ago 11
this video is neither more nor less than ridiculous
this brutal action isn't aikido, but I was laughing a lot haha
Mizotya 3 years ago
that wasn't a fight, that was police brutality.
jasoncamara 3 years ago
It was a fight. And it's called police "initiative." Support those that keep you safe while you sleep in bed at night.
kensei1984 3 years ago 3
Yea, I don't see this being Aikido. The officer lunged at the guys neck, the guy didn't try to attack the officer forcing the officer to use momentum to his advantage.
amazinazihn 3 years ago
and shioda gozo is not by my stanards a very solid aikido sensei.. however he does not atack his neck he is actually stopping his advancement by putting his hand infornt of his heck. This is not a standard aikido etiquette tecnnique, it is just a demontration of application not a real technique.
Aur0rah 3 years ago
to atack someones throat is hardly aikido.
Aur0rah 3 years ago
In what respect is this a "real fight"? The idiot drunk had his hands in his pocket and was just standing there. The cop sneak attacked; there was no fight at all. It was a simple neck grab you dolts. The subsequent footage showing an idiot jap student falling down over and over again at the hands of a fraud oriental master is also not a fight. Try again aikido cultists.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
What would have had to happen to qualify it as a fight in your opinion?
recshooter 3 years ago
Don't be a hater bro. Old Jujutsu works fine if you know what you're doing, but you're not going to learn it in a few months. That's the main reason people don't think it works in a real fight is, because don't understand it at all. It's for people can grasp the concept, which most jock types can't.
leicamaster 3 years ago
Um, if you were intelligent enough to also read the passage, you would understand it was a comparison of the two scenarios, and the technique is not exclusive to aikido. It was like most street fights, over in a matter of seconds. Anything is a ring is a sport. Open your eyes to reality.
kensei1984 3 years ago
Read "the passage"???? What passage are you talking about? The description on the video says this, "I approve all comments as long as there is no foul language". Try again. This was not a street fight; it's obvious that you have never been in a fight in your entire life if you think this was a steet fight. Once again; a guy standing there doing nothing while another sneak attacks him is an assault; not a street fight. Here it was done to arrest a drunk. What planet do you people come from?
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Aikido in a real assault?
recshooter 3 years ago
How about this for a title, "Cop neck strikes drunk". You have zero evidence/proof of any kind that this cop practices aikido, learned this particular technique from an aikido fraud master, or otherwise has any connection to anything aikido. Leave aikido out of it entirely.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
LOL ok I'll uh get right on that.
I wasn't trying to say the cop practices aikido, maybe he does...I don't even practice aikido! However it IS an aikido technique along with various other traditional martial arts. It is ironic the most flack I get is from MMA extremists AND Aikido extremists. Hey, at least you guys agree on something!
recshooter 3 years ago
Even more reason to remove aikido entirely from the title. The way it is now, you're suggesting to people that aikido was actually used. For that to be the case, the cop would have to be an actual practioner; since we don't know whether he is, you're projecting aikido in a false light. He could have learned that technique from anywhere or made it up himself. The same is true of the word "fight" because there was no fight here at all.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Also, if you want to get technical about it; the cop struck and grabbed the guy's neck at the same time. The fraud aikido master you show actually doesn't strike to the neck in the same manner but to the lower chin, upper face, and side of the face. He also does not hold the guy, nor does he lunge forward in the same manner as the cop. Furthermore, aikido techniques require an attack because of the "peaceful" BS nature of aikido. So it's not the same technique at all.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
OK so to "fight" you have to have a lackluster first technique or one that completely fails..check
The hands cannot be moved a few inches in the actual encounter than was practiced in the dojo..check
So in mma when a guy goes for an armbar and his hands aren't in the correct position or the opponents palm is not face up he is not "really" doing an armbar....interesting. Come to think of it I don't think I have ever watched a "real" judo match, even in the olympics!
recshooter 3 years ago
Fail again; "street fight" requires at least two people who are committing physical aggression, resistance, and assault upon one another; no techniques have to "fail" etc. The 'technique" the aikido fraud displayed was not an attack to the throat, it was to the face/side of the head every time. You're really reaching for any grounds on which to pin your belief in aikido. Sorry, it doesn't work, and this is not a fight.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
I have seen it taught like that...I was GIVING you that point since most of the time it is to the face or jaw. If two inches in a real situation is the difference between something being a technique or not....lol like I said by that logic I have never seen a real judo match to say nothing of MMA. I wonder if the tech. had NOT worked; would you be on here saying no no no that's not aikido?
recshooter 3 years ago
Guess you didn't want to approve my last post; wonder why? Here is another way in which the cop's technique differs from the fraud aikido master's "technique". The cop uses a trip with this throat grab; see it at 0:08 and 0:09. The aikido fraud did not use any sort of trip; he just had an idiot running at him and falling down over and over again. Also, the cop is clearly using a throat grab while the aikido "master" is just slapping the guy in the face; qualitatively different altogether.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
The legs touch because it is so close but I don't see a trip. LOL man you are really reaching. Can't wait what to see is next!
recshooter 3 years ago
Then you're blind.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
LOL I don't get why this vid is so threatening...I've practiced a little bit of traditional and the modern sport stuff. I enjoyed it all. I just don't understand the extremism where Tratdional guys say sports are bad and the Sport guys say all the traditional guys are bad. I think both camps can benefit and learn from each other...I know that "thinking independant" type stuff is not in style right now though.
recshooter 3 years ago
And I don't understand why creduloids enjoy making absurd and unsubtantiated claims; such as the latest one you just made...The vid is "threatening"???? No, it is not at all. It is simply not accurate and deserves to be called out as such. The other amusing thing is that you call people who question and doubt the bullshido spewed forth from these fakes as "extremism". It is not extremism to challenge the accuracy of claims made, particularly when they are delivered with clear deception.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
"the bullshido"
OHHHHHH I see now. Yes that is a form of "extremism"
I haven't met too many aikido instructors who I felt could teach aikido very well to work in real situations. Back when I used to practice I would have friends glove up and we would go at it. I learned alot. There are some good techniques in aikido. There is some fluffy stuff too. I just don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water.
recshooter 3 years ago
No, calling something bullshido is not extremism. Creduloids such as you would have it that way; but sorry, not the case. The only extremism here are the aikido cultists like you who cling to the notion that somehow an aikido fraud master of the type seen towards the end of your video can effortlessly pwn an attacker with silly face slaps. The crediblity of the system has to be judged by those who teach and how they train it; as it is today, it has none.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
LOL Hello! I'm NOT an aikido cultist. The aikido cultists same the SAME thing you do! I said there are some good techs. in aikido and there are some fluff. I said I've seen very few instructors who could teach aikido to be used in reality. I said the majority of application skills I learned on my own. I even said I no longer practice aikido. LOL I must be a very terrible cultist. You however have held to a "party line" if you well even in the face of the armbar example. Who is the extremist?
recshooter 3 years ago
And yes, slapping to the face is very different from grabbing the throat at the adams apple. Two inches can make an enormous difference; but it's not just the distance that is telling here. It is the overall intent. The cop obviously wanted to put down and control the drunk; that simply isn't going to happen by slapping a guy in the face. The aikido "master" clearly wanted to demonstrate that he could pwn someone with the slightest of effort, which is pure fantasy. Sorry, not the same.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
I've never seen that technique taught as a "slap to the face".....LOL you are either a funny guy or really confused
recshooter 3 years ago
Nope, that means he either missed the armbar or still has to work it. There would be no mistaking, however, an armbar for something else even if he missed it.. Here, the cop used a neck grab; that is not the same as a slap to the face. And again, the cop used this offensively; whereas the aikido fraud requires that his idiot student run directly at him while flailing about and falling down to a poorly delivered face slap.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
"an armbar for something else even if he missed it"
OH so they guy doing an armbar doesn't ahve to have his hands in say two inches from an opponents wrist, and other hand 3 inches from his elbow? LOL
recshooter 3 years ago
Try reading the actual posting. There would be no mistaking an armbar or an attempted armbar that failed for something else. Just by watching it one can see it for what it is. The same is true for your video; the cop used a neck grab and trip, the aikido fraud master used silly slaps to the face. Only the most stupefied, credulous aikido cultists will find these things the same
Blndrfist 3 years ago
"There would be no mistaking an armbar or an attempted armbar that failed for something else"..actually using YOUR reasoning, even if the opponent submitted but the person aplying the arm bar didn't have his hands in EXACTLY the same place as (pick a video) then it is NOT an armbar. Of course it is an armbar; I'm just trying to show you the holes in your reasoning.
recshooter 3 years ago
Aikido techniques do not require an attack and the technique shown would be perfectly acceptable in Aikido. It's a variation of either irime nage or ten chi nage.
Wheather the guy performing it or not is niether here nor there. The important thing is an Aikidoka might do exactly the same thing in that situation.
ketsan 3 years ago
Anyone might do the same thing whether he studed aikido or not. Compare the neck grab with the pathetic little slaps the fraud master gives to his credulous student. Sorry, not at all the same thing. If he wanted to show these as being one and the same, why not show a master using the same neck grab and trip trick? Answer: because it's not something aikido frauds teach. They teach students how to play act. You're just plain wrong as usual.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Thankyou, you have just proven my point. It shows you what the author intended in the video. Also you have proven to me that YOU have never been in, much less seen a street fight. If you square up with your opponent then you are engaged in a sport. Street fights happen whenever, anywhere, with anyone and with anything.
kensei1984 3 years ago 11
It is not a jab , watch your language too. Gozo is not a fraud but his aikido is more tilted toward shotokan wich means sporting style.
Aur0rah 3 years ago