People keep concentrating on LeMond. It's no longer LeMond. If LeMond disappeared, you'd still have a lot of close friends and close teammates of Armstrong who have sworn testimony that Armstrong doped, and there's a federal investigation. If there was no basis for LeMond's statements (and he never said Armstrong doped--btw) then it would blow away. It has only gotten exponentially bigger over the years.
History will show that LeMond was and still is the greatest cyclist to ever come out of the US. Armstrong is just a punk who cheated and bullied everyone who told on him, including his closest friends.
All I can say is that I find it odd that Lance went from not being a contender in the mid 90s to passing the best cyclists as if they were 3 yr olds on tricycles. That is IMPOSSIBLE in cycling.
Also, during Lance's reign, the top contenders have tested positive for drugs: Ullrich, Basso, Landis, Virenque, Zulle, Moreau, Pantani, Vinokourov, Simoni, Gonzalez de Galdeano, etc
And we're supposed to believe Lance was clean because of no evidence?Remember OJ & Casey Anthony were acquitted...
I use to like Lemond, still think he is a great cyclist, but anybody can make up the past. He would have eaten dog turds if his father or coach would have asked him to. What a load of B.S. this is. He is telling this stuff to a bunch of people who are so naive it's ridiculous, just to make himself look good. He is pissed that rEPO came along and he couldn't keep up with the leaders anymore. Athletes are always looking for advantages, just like his aero-bars and helmet, what a hypocrite.
@SuperOlds88 difference with aero bars is that you are not hiding, like drug taking! Lance has taken drugs no doubt, just like Pantani did, & Bjarne Riis both Tour de France winners in Armstrongs era. Landis & Hamilton have admitted it now. The truth WILL come out!
If Lance has never tested positive, the question that must be asked is that is Le Tour in cahoots with those who use drugs. Given the news about widespread corruption within FIFA and other sports governing bodies, there can be no doubt that the light must be placed on the Tour's governing body. If Lance did use drugs, it's because the Tour turned a blind eye to that fact.
It is wrong that cheating cyclists are even allowed to carry on in the sport once you are busted you should be out.I bet they all cheated to get to the top and started at grass roots..a freind and.I had a vo2max test at 20 he tested 80 and me 71, we were nowhere near the pro riders in performance, no wonder we were nowhere near if we took epo, we would have Vo2maxes easily in the 80s my life could be different.
Totally pathetic seeing Greg sitting there like saint. First of all, EPO was introduced when Greg was winning Tdf, i.e. at the end of the eighties. Second, the physiological effect of reinfusion your own blood as well as effect of your performance was shown by prof. Ekblom in the late 1960. An advise for you Greg, educate yourself before making such accusation of others. Your rowing the same boat...
Good piece on Nutrition53 in latest Mens Fitness. Martina Patella, a pro cyclist, is mentioned. She's a hard worker, good cyclist, now working for Nutrition53 along with Bill Romanowski, ex NFL player and CEO of the company. Google "Fitness Profile Martina Patella" to learn more.
A problem with most people's logic here is the assumption that a non-doping cyclist can not win a race against a doping cyclist. LeMond makes a similar argument regarding VO2 max. Here's the problem: In cycling history (including during LeMond's time as a cyclist) there were records and time trials set that have yet to be broken today. That would mean that a doping cyclist can still not break a record of a cyclist from the past. Conclusion? Either all cyclists (including LeMond) have always
@AnimeIntroStyles4 been doped up, OR that cycling is not merely about vo2 max and doping, and that like the thesis represented in the movie Gattaca, a person is not limited by his genes, but ultimately only limited by his will.
Did Lance Armstrong dope up outside of the times he needed to for his cancer? I can only finish with a logical answer. He's never tested positive on a drug test, and if LeMond's logic was full proof he would be in a court right now the same way he was with Landis.
@AnimeIntroStyles4 Re: the logic. Doping has been used in sports and cycling for the last 100 years, but it wasn't until the eighties and early nineties that cycling began to encounter problems with EPO and blood doping. Pre that era doping mostly consisted of taking drugs (Benzedrines) that weren't as successful at boosting long term performances as they were at removing pain and boosting endurance on the shorter term (and fairly easy to trace).
@AnimeIntroStyles4 So before the eighties doping wasn't necessarily a must if you wanted to win, but EPO and blood doping give you such a competitive edge (and are harder to trace) that today a clean rider has no chance against a doped rider in a three week stage race. Sure, Armstrong has never tested positive and he'll get the benefit of the doubt (innocent until proven guilty), but that doesn't making his performances less suspicious or convince me that he wasn't doped,
@AnimeIntroStyles4 when most of his other competitors were. Same thing with Riis. It was fairly obvious he was doped even though he never tested positive. He went from being an average rider in his twenties to crushing everyone, including people like Virenque who were later discovered to have used EPO, in his thirties. The same year he had his first great Tour (1993) was the first year he began using doping. Same thing happened with Armstrong.
@AnimeIntroStyles4 He went from being, well not, average, he was a great rider on flat stages and races, but overall average in the Tour to crushing everyone for seven years straight. Fairly easy to deduct from that, that something fishy was going on with Armstrong.
Also, Armstrong and his supporters say that he has never failed a test. Funny, that is the same thing Bjarne Riis used to say when he was asked about doping...
Armstrong was a shitty climber and TT rider before 99. All of a sudden he beats everyone on the TTs and climbs? Most of his competitors have been involved with doping (Ullrich, Pantani, Basso, Vinokourov, Hamilton, Landis etc.), yet Armstrong still managed to crush them all 7 years straight without the help of doping? He and a lot of other top riders are and were doped. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
What's one of the saddest parts of this? How much coverage has the MSM given to LeMond's sexual abuse in this? Maybe 2%. It's a perfect opportunity to give survivors the courage to come forward and get help.
But what has "legs"? What's way sexier to talk about? Who's Lance pissed off at?
What's his new endorsement deal worth? That's REALLY sad.
In a way, it's funny to listen to all of the "experts" who know for a fact that Armstrong is doping. It's kind of like your unlce (who's not a tax attorney) giving you tax adivce.
Is this true? Yes, do it. Are you a tax attorney? No. But damnit, I know I'm right! Then, if you do listen to them and you're wrong, who has to pay the penalties?
What's the really disturbing part of this? The MSM hype.
Instead of concentrating on proving doping, what happens? We have TMZ-like hype. Is Lance pissed off a Greg? What did he REALLY mean by that? And so on.
To everyone who says they can prove Armstrong is a doper. If you have evidence, hire an attorney and go after him.
Lance to win it 7 times hmmmm sounds fishy to me then again what next a man can climb Mt Everest 10 times in 6 months and seems normal to do so common Lance was doped up it takes a dope to say he didn`t use anything please!!!
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The more lemond criticize doping the more I believe he was a dopper. Its like politicians and religious people... they are always trying to make them selfs feel better by criticizing others.
Greg LeMond's average speed in the time trial, 54.545 km/h, was the fastest in Tour de France stage history; since then, only the 1994 prologue has been faster.[1
On a boat anchor with aero bars? What proof does he have that he was clean? Many others were doping at this time. Testing was very easy to beat back then.
Clearly he could have been using performance enhancing substances.
His cancer is more likely to be used for his abuse of steroid for which he was well-known inside cycling. No one pro-rider was very surprise of his cancer. In 1993 some of the riders had said they needed a separate category for guys like Lance who seemed to have no limit for doping.
"No one pro-rider was very surprise of his cancer."
Maybe because normal healthy people who are active and eat right and don't take steroids or EPO or even smoke cigarettes die every day from viscous forms of cancers while known and admitted steroid users lake Arnold Schwarzenegger are alive a well. Your arguments are complete and utter bullshit, to put it nicely.
Radiation is not the only cause of cancer. It's just speculation..but it doesn't seem unlikely to me that excessive use of peds could cause cancer. Especially considering the effects that hgh have on the body.
"Lance destroyed his own career?. We living on the same planet?. 7 tour wins, $100 in the bank. Take a walk baboon".
No were not,thankfully,$100 mil fraud how are you so spineless that you put this up and remove it almost instantly.
The baboon would obviously figure out the scene a lot quicker than you, if indeed ever you do. self evident, anyone awake with a brain function with higher IQ than present weather, this the greatest sporting fraud in modern time.
Lance destroyed his own career???. What by winning 7 tours & putting 100m in the bank. He destroyed his career?. Faggot!.. Thats a career you can only hate on, cos your fag ass ain't doing $hit in life.
Hi sweetness, I replied a few minutes ago but the miracle of modern seance miscombobulated my wonderful witty words, so this shorter thesis on why you are in pieces will have todo. My main point was that you are the first known link between Neanderthal man and the typewritten word, unless you is just axidentally wiping you ass with the quay board the boat before your beloved bananas sink.If you is a girl try hitching your skirt up a bit higher to get the notice you obliviously crave, if is tbc.
not the case a u is a mans man, just try hitching across what ever wacky state you is in, in the same skinny mirth, this time take it off when the car approaches and see if you can get any growth on the bamboo, an obvious case of this is when the car horn is self motivated .Before I forget, if you did not write the above and it was done by your owner, the monkey, then I apologise projuicely.Sweet screams.
i flat out dont like armstrong..i never liked him..he was very hateful to some one i know during the 96 tour du pont..im 36 and i started riding in 85 and ive seen big riders come and go..armstrong was 180 pounds riding classic races..i think he finished 25th in 95 in TDF...if all classics riders needed to do was drop 20 pounds to win the tour thats one thing..thats like boonen dropping his muscle and comming back 155 pounds..i dont buy it..i hope he gets the msg in 2010, leaves for good.
he is an egotistical jerk...everyone agrees he is a great rider but they always say BUT they dont like him personally...as i said..its not so much the doping about him ifs ands or buts..its the fact the guy is a jerk...he wont get in trouble because he has MILLIONS poured into the sport over him..its a buisness anymore..its more money if he races than if he is kicked out..they could have chose a nicer person for this if this is how it is..he is simply a cash cow...his name on it brings money.
well lets not forget that this guys know how not to fail a doping test, just as long as they do it right, I love the sport very much, but lets be realistic, there is too much money on the line.
le mond and indurain were clean. they were freakish atheletes. after that tho, drugs took over. pantani, lance. ulrich did everything. half the team managers have themselves failed at some stage (bjarne riis etc)
if you're interested,read the book From Lance To Landis by David Walsh.He shows Lance is a good athlete,but has nowhere near the physiological stats of Indurain and Le Mond.Lance failed drug tests (cortisone in 2000, EPO in 2005). no more of this "the most tested athlete in the world" bull.if u look at the stats, in each of his 7 TDF victories,he wasnt even in the top 10 of the most tested cyclists(cos he refused to participate in any of the other races)
whatever. If he had failed those drugs tests, he would've been suspended right? why wasn't he?. Lance is the most tested athlete and has never been caught so why don't ya come up with something more interesting..........Prove to us that Lance has been a doper? There's no proof so i give him the benefit of the doubt.
he wasn't even in the top 10 most tested riders in the world as he concentrated solely on the Tour de France, thereby avoiding controls at all the other races. thats just more lance bullshit. look it up
whatever, you are just a lance hater so you have no credibility. LANCE HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF DOPING OTHERWISE HIS 7 TOUR DE FRANCES WOULD'VE BEEN ERASED AND YOU ARE POINTING OUT ARE SIMPLE RUMORS THAT HASN'T BEEN CONFIRMED.
micahel rasmussen, ivan basso, bjarne riis, david miller, steven roche, carl lewis, marion jones, michelle smith, lance armstrong....what have they all got in common? they never failed a drug test
u r wrong. traces of EPO have been found in armstrong's urine from the 1999 tour but they could not do anything about it because the B sample had been damaged.
Nobody's been able to prove anything so what if this or that..........doesn't make any sense. Lance has never been suspended so anything else is just speculation or rumors.
Well then why are we talking about it then? They decided to test those samples so many years after they were first taken...why not test them in 2000? Both samples could have been corrupted...who knows, stop being bitter...
they knew about EPO. they had known about it for years. but no tests were efficient yet. the problem is still going on now. they are starting to catch cyclists wit EPO cera in their system. that's the third generation EPO.
And recently, they said at the tour that cyclists might have been using a newer one. they are always ahead of the anti doping agency.
what has changed now is that the UCI is going to keep the samples longer hoppefully be able to catch the cheater retroactively.
regarding your question about EPO from his cancer treatment. no, too much delay in between the race and the treatment.
However, a way cyclists use doping is through medical prescriptions half the peloton is supposed to have asthma. that allows them to use otherwise prohibited drugs. and armstrong has his special prescriptions because of his cancer. so he has been able to use some prohibited drugs. but as i said he is far from being the only one.
you are nuts. the rumors of doping are back to the 80's. There were so many rumors about Indurain being on dope. It's pretty interesting that Indurain quit racing in 1996 when the antidoping controls were professionaled and stricter. it's suspicious that Indurain got burned out in one year after winning his fifth tour de france........................... Thinking that drugs took over after 1996 is naive at best.
3/ admitted in hospital to Frankie Andreu and Stephanie McIlvainhe that he used Steroids, EPO and Human Growth Hormones during competitions (one of reasons cancer got so far before being detected)
4/ pulled out all the stops to get michele ferrari as his "doctor". Quote from ferarri: "If it doesn't show up in the drug controls, then it's not doping. EPO is not dangerous"
5/ treatment of Filippo Simeoni and christophe Bassons.
its a fact that his 6 b samples failed for EPO. its a fact that he told andreu and mcilvainhe of his drug use. why do u think he rode in the olympics with testicular cancer? its the easiest cancer to detect. but his HCG levels were normal. HCG levels are never normal in someone with TC. in fact, they there's an increase of about 50,000% he was using a masking agent to lower it artificially. thats the reason for the late detection and crazy blood results in the olympics
whatever man, just stop it. You have no proof otherwise go destroy lance's career. You are talking about what other people said which is not reliable evidence. The fact is that Armstrong has never failed a test and has never been stripped of any race.
@juandi2570 funny how time tells the truth aint it ^^ Mr. Armstrong is currently beeing heard for his 250.000$ donations/fines/penaltys which he payed off in silence through a european banc account (from his team US postal service payed of by Johan Bruyneel his teamleader) during his Tour de France victory years. Lance failed quite soms tests, 1st was at 2001 when he won Tour of Swiss he tested positive on EPO which was held secret untill recent, later that year he also won the Tour.
@juandi2570 Lance has never failed a test. He has never said that he has never doped. If he was so clean he would have allowed the publishing of results that AFLD had. The only thing that allowed him not to permit this was the statute. I used to love Lance, but have removed the scented cotton plug from my nose to discover that there is some rotten in the state of Denmark, my friend. Wake up.
@acbluestone Well we all know that Lance has doped because it was required as treatment for his cancer. I think the real question is did he do it outside of what was required for his treatment.
@juandi2570 Yes, Lance has zero positive tests. Ullrich has 0 positve, Basso has 0 positive, Rasmussen has 0 positive, Riis had 0 positive, Peipoli 0 positive. All were dopers though.
interesting. jock boyer told me personally that lemond said he would rather have anyone else win the world championships than him even though americans stick together. lemond chased down boyer and helped an italian win. lemond denies this. i wonder what the truth is????
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LeMond's problem is that he is pissed that he has been replaced as the Great America Tour Champion by Armstrong and he can't stand the fact that Armstrong's name, not his, is synonymous with American cycling.
saq, dont play that card, i understand that is much easier than being honest and realizing that doping is rampant in cycling and most of the champions dating back to the 50s have been doped in one way or another.
You must have only watched the channel versus/OLN and for only the past 10 years... Good job educating yourself on the sport of cycling and its history.
people give him (lemond) shit because: many in the cycling world are afraid of what he says, and many of the general public are simply naive and ignorant and think lemond is jealous. (they dont understand that armstrong and all those guys are lying)
no? of course he is..and i dont blame him. he has too much to loose to be honest.
do you really think lance without drugs can beat world class riders who have been caught using drugs such as EPO, which can increase your capacity by 10-15%? do you realize how small the margins are among elite cyclists? (or the elite in any sport)
I dont know for certain if he didnt take drugs and you dont know 4 certain that he did . but i find it reely hard to believe that a man who has just over come brian lung and testicular cancer against the odds, would come straight out of hospital to take drugs that in the long term can cause major health problems and even cancer.
what happaned to your earlier comment about lance CLEARLY not lying? (which he is)
obviously you have no understanding of the mentality of elite athletes...and could you please explain the thing i mentioned in my earlier comment: do you really think lance armstrong can beat doped elite cyclists without himself using drugs? (and remember a drug such as EPO can increase your capacity with 10-15%)
well maby he just pushes him self 10-15% harder in training and races :D ever though of that? i think an entire carrer of clean blood tests ,and the fact that he had serious health problems would suggest he didnt take epo
and from what your saying if everybody including lance took epo he still anihalated them for 7 years epo or not
you are missing my point..of course lance performance was incredible...winning 7 years in a row is amazing..but a doped lance armstrong beat other doped world class cyclists..thats the point im trying to make.
na ;)...lance is talented as hell (and a hard worker)..but he isnt naturally 10-15% better than the rest of the world...in sports the best are within 1% of each other.
Thank God for having a fair level-headed comment! I totally agree. Lance is an amazing athlete, clean or not. I also love Lemond and cannot deny his greatness. These peak athletes really are a fraction of a percent away from each other, which is why there is a market for $700 saddles that weigh 80 grams instead of 82 grams, carbon wheelsets, and aerodynamic frames. These are just the features of cycling that are marketed to the public. Athletes still have to find a way to narrow that margin.
Lance is one of the most tested athlete in this world and there has been no result that he is on any...how much more proof do you want to prove that he is on drugs (which he isn't) ?
l'équipe has made it public in 2005 that traces of EPO had been found subsequently in armstrong's urine samples of 1999. lance armstrong is a proven cheater and who is surprised about that?!
this is one of Lance's own idioms - "I'm the most tested athlete in the world", "If I quit, however, it lasts forever", "Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever". Its all bullshit spun out by his PR team. None of it has any basis. He's a born doper. Here's a fact: during his 7 TDF victories, he wasnt even in the top 10 most tested cyclists in the world, nevermind athletes. So if i ever hear that bs phrase again...
pick any 10 cyclists who rode with the King Doper, all of them were more tested. lance was only one who rode in 1 race a year, thereby avoiding all controls. at the time, there was no out of competition testing. lance was bottom of the league when it came to doping controls
before there wasn't an effctive test for EPO, or even hematacrit level testing, I'm sure a lot of interesting things were going on. Whether they involved Indurain is anybody's guess but the 90's were as dirty as hell in terms of doping.
Indurain rode in support for Delgado for a few years as well, Delgado tested positive for a steroid masking agent, and his rumored nickname was "testo" in the peleton anyways.. I think I read somewhere where in made enough vauge statements in a interview to say "i did what i had to do etc.." so Yeah, Delgado had medical help. Does that mean his #1 Domestique, and eventual Spanish successor do the same? who knows... But it's not a stretch to think so...
Greg LeMond is like old ladies, he likes talking shit about people. You dont become great by gossiping. Eddy Merckx didnt need to talk shit about others to be great. Armstrong " eddy is like a father to me" and Lance learned to be decent like Eddy. Greg Lemond will one day understand everybody hates the neighborhood gossiper sooner or later.
Let's get this straight - someone rapes your wife and you're going to get mad at the guy who turns the rapist in? LeMond is doing all sports a service. Please explain how dopers help a sport in the long run. Short term, sure, they may gain public interest for setting records, like baseball home runs. Long term though, the public finds out and thinks everyone's a cheat. They need reliable methods of testing, to protect the athletes. By the way, I love Armstrong too and think he's clean.
Greg was, I think, a great and clean champ. I also admire Lance, who rode with more panache than any other Tour winner I know. Could their differences simply be down to their very different characters?
That's right, lemond spoke up while other US cyclist didn't do crap. Greg told it like it was and is. Who else would come forth, they were all scared because they knew the truth.
There's been a long-lasting feud between LeMond and Armstrong and it's sad, I think. Here are the two greatest Americans in a European-dominated sport and they don't like one another. LeMond will always suspect that Lance has doped and Armstrong will always regard LeMond as a jealous former champion. I, for one, think neither of them ever cheated and they both need to make up and recognize each other for their individual achievements.
Greg told it like it was - and ended up in a dodgy spot for his efforts! That's a f***in shame for a great, clean rider who spoke truth to power. And what truth and what power.
Steroids wouldn't cause hart attacks directly. Everyone knows that. EPO is the dangerous thing here and shouldn't be labeled as a "steroid". Why does he even mention "testosterone"? If anything testosterone would lower aerobic capacity.
Its not that the heart cant get enough oxygen... our heart beats slower during sleep and EPO makes it harder for it to pump thick high viscous blood that could clot. And when it does clots ... adios muchacho [JOse Jimenez]
Greg has been there seen it and worn the tee-shirt. He's only telling the full truth as it really is and isn't jealous or grudging of anybody. Why should he be! It's always used as an excuse that the rider has sour grapes.
This is why I miss Greg, he was/is classy on the bike and off, a real gentleman. He is also right about the drama of the tour, it is gone! Guys get off the bike after a grueling climb up Alp D'Huez and in a minute they are recovered enough to hold an interview! In the past, rider's had that "thousand mile stare," after such a grueling mile; like they blew their brains out just getting to the top!
This still wouldnt work but atleast Greg is honestly thinking towards a solution. It would never work because the next generation of dopers are already doping heavily. The power, Vo2, blood values will all just remain contant when they get to the extremely high level that actually requires testing.
Its too bad he lost his Trek deal because of the Pharmstrong marketing force... He wanted to show he is legitimately trying to help instead of throw out accusations.
Lemond lost potentially millions of dolars for what he has said about cycling. He believes there should be less drug testing and testing run based on recorded sustained power outputs, VO2 max, etc. If this is exeeded above a certain margin in competition, then the rider is declared positive.
Why is he a toolbag? Because he tells it the way it is? He KNOWS Armstrong cheated {which he did.} Doesn't it bother you that Lance is a liar and a cheat?
Remember the assistant who found the vials, etc? Lance has the best experts to help him get through the tests which can be easy to decieve. It is wonderful what Greg {the 3 time tour winner} is doing to expose the deceitful Armstrong. What a sham!!
That was a fired assistant who made that up because she was mad at Lance and wanted some money. Wheres the proof? she didn't have any. Plus do you really think that a cancer survivor would take drugs?
The A sample was negative.. therefore the B samples were mixed up or contaminated. You can't have one negative sample and one positive sample. They were both taken at the same time!!!
Well, a testicle cancer survivor will keep taking drugs forever just to keep his body as "normal" as possible... And that includes prescription testosterone for example, you "bright guy"...
Pro stage racing is all about steroids, cortisone, amphetamines, chemo boosters RSR-13, Interleukins, insulin, peptide hormones, thyriod drugs, asthma, and blood boosting. If cows help, they use them. You cant recover and keep up without all of this and you dont get to a top team without a lot of juicing unless you have extremely high natural talent in the top 99.8% of population. All ProTour riders in the top 1% for lung capacity!!
People keep concentrating on LeMond. It's no longer LeMond. If LeMond disappeared, you'd still have a lot of close friends and close teammates of Armstrong who have sworn testimony that Armstrong doped, and there's a federal investigation. If there was no basis for LeMond's statements (and he never said Armstrong doped--btw) then it would blow away. It has only gotten exponentially bigger over the years.
yesroh 4 months ago
History will show that LeMond was and still is the greatest cyclist to ever come out of the US. Armstrong is just a punk who cheated and bullied everyone who told on him, including his closest friends.
yesroh 4 months ago
All I can say is that I find it odd that Lance went from not being a contender in the mid 90s to passing the best cyclists as if they were 3 yr olds on tricycles. That is IMPOSSIBLE in cycling.
Also, during Lance's reign, the top contenders have tested positive for drugs: Ullrich, Basso, Landis, Virenque, Zulle, Moreau, Pantani, Vinokourov, Simoni, Gonzalez de Galdeano, etc
And we're supposed to believe Lance was clean because of no evidence?Remember OJ & Casey Anthony were acquitted...
dachicagoan 6 months ago
woah, hang on there, didnt lemond get caught doping in his day too?
sleepyhead7391 7 months ago
@sleepyhead7391 Nope.
CiachoLover 6 months ago
I use to like Lemond, still think he is a great cyclist, but anybody can make up the past. He would have eaten dog turds if his father or coach would have asked him to. What a load of B.S. this is. He is telling this stuff to a bunch of people who are so naive it's ridiculous, just to make himself look good. He is pissed that rEPO came along and he couldn't keep up with the leaders anymore. Athletes are always looking for advantages, just like his aero-bars and helmet, what a hypocrite.
SuperOlds88 7 months ago
@SuperOlds88 difference with aero bars is that you are not hiding, like drug taking! Lance has taken drugs no doubt, just like Pantani did, & Bjarne Riis both Tour de France winners in Armstrongs era. Landis & Hamilton have admitted it now. The truth WILL come out!
dan32113 7 months ago
If Lance has never tested positive, the question that must be asked is that is Le Tour in cahoots with those who use drugs. Given the news about widespread corruption within FIFA and other sports governing bodies, there can be no doubt that the light must be placed on the Tour's governing body. If Lance did use drugs, it's because the Tour turned a blind eye to that fact.
bearmare 8 months ago
It is wrong that cheating cyclists are even allowed to carry on in the sport once you are busted you should be out.I bet they all cheated to get to the top and started at grass roots..a freind and.I had a vo2max test at 20 he tested 80 and me 71, we were nowhere near the pro riders in performance, no wonder we were nowhere near if we took epo, we would have Vo2maxes easily in the 80s my life could be different.
jeansilvas 8 months ago
Greg LeMond will always be my hero. Totally unjuiced, total athlete.
starcrane123 9 months ago 3
@YyJoBb no they dont work for height after puberty just muscle growth
hockeycanada42 11 months ago
Totally pathetic seeing Greg sitting there like saint. First of all, EPO was introduced when Greg was winning Tdf, i.e. at the end of the eighties. Second, the physiological effect of reinfusion your own blood as well as effect of your performance was shown by prof. Ekblom in the late 1960. An advise for you Greg, educate yourself before making such accusation of others. Your rowing the same boat...
gsmooth72 1 year ago
When will Armstrong admit?
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MaxOutt1 1 year ago
fignon admitted to doping Greg, when will you admit you weren't perfect either? the fact is the new drugs were better than the old drugs. maybe.
RememberDeath2112 1 year ago
Good piece on Nutrition53 in latest Mens Fitness. Martina Patella, a pro cyclist, is mentioned. She's a hard worker, good cyclist, now working for Nutrition53 along with Bill Romanowski, ex NFL player and CEO of the company. Google "Fitness Profile Martina Patella" to learn more.
Great1boy1 1 year ago
A problem with most people's logic here is the assumption that a non-doping cyclist can not win a race against a doping cyclist. LeMond makes a similar argument regarding VO2 max. Here's the problem: In cycling history (including during LeMond's time as a cyclist) there were records and time trials set that have yet to be broken today. That would mean that a doping cyclist can still not break a record of a cyclist from the past. Conclusion? Either all cyclists (including LeMond) have always
AnimeIntroStyles4 1 year ago
@AnimeIntroStyles4 been doped up, OR that cycling is not merely about vo2 max and doping, and that like the thesis represented in the movie Gattaca, a person is not limited by his genes, but ultimately only limited by his will.
Did Lance Armstrong dope up outside of the times he needed to for his cancer? I can only finish with a logical answer. He's never tested positive on a drug test, and if LeMond's logic was full proof he would be in a court right now the same way he was with Landis.
AnimeIntroStyles4 1 year ago
@AnimeIntroStyles4 Re: the logic. Doping has been used in sports and cycling for the last 100 years, but it wasn't until the eighties and early nineties that cycling began to encounter problems with EPO and blood doping. Pre that era doping mostly consisted of taking drugs (Benzedrines) that weren't as successful at boosting long term performances as they were at removing pain and boosting endurance on the shorter term (and fairly easy to trace).
agerlund 1 year ago
@AnimeIntroStyles4 So before the eighties doping wasn't necessarily a must if you wanted to win, but EPO and blood doping give you such a competitive edge (and are harder to trace) that today a clean rider has no chance against a doped rider in a three week stage race. Sure, Armstrong has never tested positive and he'll get the benefit of the doubt (innocent until proven guilty), but that doesn't making his performances less suspicious or convince me that he wasn't doped,
agerlund 1 year ago
@AnimeIntroStyles4 when most of his other competitors were. Same thing with Riis. It was fairly obvious he was doped even though he never tested positive. He went from being an average rider in his twenties to crushing everyone, including people like Virenque who were later discovered to have used EPO, in his thirties. The same year he had his first great Tour (1993) was the first year he began using doping. Same thing happened with Armstrong.
agerlund 1 year ago
@AnimeIntroStyles4 He went from being, well not, average, he was a great rider on flat stages and races, but overall average in the Tour to crushing everyone for seven years straight. Fairly easy to deduct from that, that something fishy was going on with Armstrong.
agerlund 1 year ago
@agerlund Fairly easy to deduce for who? A court of law, or a random guy on the internet?
AnimeIntroStyles4 1 year ago
@AnimeIntroStyles4 Anyone not blind.
agerlund 1 year ago
@agerlund Right. A guy on the internet knows better then a court of law, investigators, and prosecutors.
AnimeIntroStyles4 1 year ago
Also, Armstrong and his supporters say that he has never failed a test. Funny, that is the same thing Bjarne Riis used to say when he was asked about doping...
agerlund 1 year ago
Armstrong was a shitty climber and TT rider before 99. All of a sudden he beats everyone on the TTs and climbs? Most of his competitors have been involved with doping (Ullrich, Pantani, Basso, Vinokourov, Hamilton, Landis etc.), yet Armstrong still managed to crush them all 7 years straight without the help of doping? He and a lot of other top riders are and were doped. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.
agerlund 1 year ago 4
@agerlund
I am completely agree whit you !!
1105195 1 year ago
I belive Lemond and think Armstrong is a fucking cheat.
cat4forlife 1 year ago
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All of what Lemond writes & says, is simply hearsay. LeMond has one of the fastest Tour time trials ever? How was he able to achieve this?. Doping.
Sick3ninVend3tta 1 year ago
hopefully next time you go hunting it will be with dick chaney and he does a better job.maybe you can take landis along.
nastyfromswimhunk 1 year ago
What's one of the saddest parts of this? How much coverage has the MSM given to LeMond's sexual abuse in this? Maybe 2%. It's a perfect opportunity to give survivors the courage to come forward and get help.
But what has "legs"? What's way sexier to talk about? Who's Lance pissed off at?
What's his new endorsement deal worth? That's REALLY sad.
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
In a way, it's funny to listen to all of the "experts" who know for a fact that Armstrong is doping. It's kind of like your unlce (who's not a tax attorney) giving you tax adivce.
Is this true? Yes, do it. Are you a tax attorney? No. But damnit, I know I'm right! Then, if you do listen to them and you're wrong, who has to pay the penalties?
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
What's the really disturbing part of this? The MSM hype.
Instead of concentrating on proving doping, what happens? We have TMZ-like hype. Is Lance pissed off a Greg? What did he REALLY mean by that? And so on.
To everyone who says they can prove Armstrong is a doper. If you have evidence, hire an attorney and go after him.
whereismybailouttv 1 year ago
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IceTsy 1 year ago
Love Greg, spent 36 hours around him once. Superb fella.
mikekingphoto 1 year ago
Lance to win it 7 times hmmmm sounds fishy to me then again what next a man can climb Mt Everest 10 times in 6 months and seems normal to do so common Lance was doped up it takes a dope to say he didn`t use anything please!!!
kalel38 1 year ago
Negro please.....shut the F*** Up....man give it a rest....your day is done, accept it and move on!
ThomasJefferson000 1 year ago
Poor Greg.
g99se9 1 year ago
Greg should be asked to prove that he did not dope during his three tours.
drewp66 2 years ago
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The more lemond criticize doping the more I believe he was a dopper. Its like politicians and religious people... they are always trying to make them selfs feel better by criticizing others.
TarmacSkin 1 year ago
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@TarmacSkin You are so true. I believe Greg has something to hide. Why else would he be screaming so loud?
drewp66 1 year ago
@drewp66 he always told that doping is in the cycling BUT, from the 90 till now is total different .... Way 2much dope !!!
55liesbeth 1 year ago
@drewp66 a VO2 max of 92.5 goes quite a long way to explaining his success!
DHTCF 1 year ago
Greg LeMond's average speed in the time trial, 54.545 km/h, was the fastest in Tour de France stage history; since then, only the 1994 prologue has been faster.[1
On a boat anchor with aero bars? What proof does he have that he was clean? Many others were doping at this time. Testing was very easy to beat back then.
Clearly he could have been using performance enhancing substances.
drewp66 2 years ago
Idiot. On that ITT Lemond beated the second by just a few seconds... the third was close ... and so. So they all set a record that day. Why?
Because it was a long downhill short ITT (24km)from Versailles to Paris with tailwind.
Despite using aerobar providing him a gain of 1 or 2 sec by km, Greg beated Thierry Marie by just a bit more of 10 or 20 sec!
Not a doped performance !
u368 1 year ago 5
Better to ask to Lance how is career has changed when he used EPO with Dr. Ferrari, that was in the 1995 Fall...
hghepo 2 years ago 3
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Yeah, used EPO in the fall of '95, gave him cancer in the fall of '96. What a wonder drug.
Sick3ninVend3tta 2 years ago
His cancer is more likely to be used for his abuse of steroid for which he was well-known inside cycling. No one pro-rider was very surprise of his cancer. In 1993 some of the riders had said they needed a separate category for guys like Lance who seemed to have no limit for doping.
hghepo 2 years ago 13
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lol..... Good one.
Sick3ninVend3tta 2 years ago
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@hghepo
"No one pro-rider was very surprise of his cancer."
Maybe because normal healthy people who are active and eat right and don't take steroids or EPO or even smoke cigarettes die every day from viscous forms of cancers while known and admitted steroid users lake Arnold Schwarzenegger are alive a well. Your arguments are complete and utter bullshit, to put it nicely.
ZQPYU 2 years ago
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That was suppose to be vicious not viscous forms of cancers.
ZQPYU 2 years ago
What do you think caused his cancer?
DeadlyMACD 1 year ago
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Radioactive enhancements...
What a stupid question.
dahgutone 1 year ago
Radiation is not the only cause of cancer. It's just speculation..but it doesn't seem unlikely to me that excessive use of peds could cause cancer. Especially considering the effects that hgh have on the body.
DeadlyMACD 1 year ago
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I was being sarcastic o.O
dahgutone 1 year ago
@DeadlyMACD The abuse of PED since his young age caused probably his cancer.
hghepo 1 year ago
Sick3ninvend3tta
@davidoffon,
"Lance destroyed his own career?. We living on the same planet?. 7 tour wins, $100 in the bank. Take a walk baboon".
No were not,thankfully,$100 mil fraud how are you so spineless that you put this up and remove it almost instantly.
The baboon would obviously figure out the scene a lot quicker than you, if indeed ever you do. self evident, anyone awake with a brain function with higher IQ than present weather, this the greatest sporting fraud in modern time.
davidoffon 2 years ago
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Lance destroyed his own career???. What by winning 7 tours & putting 100m in the bank. He destroyed his career?. Faggot!.. Thats a career you can only hate on, cos your fag ass ain't doing $hit in life.
Sick3ninVend3tta 2 years ago
Hi sweetness, I replied a few minutes ago but the miracle of modern seance miscombobulated my wonderful witty words, so this shorter thesis on why you are in pieces will have todo. My main point was that you are the first known link between Neanderthal man and the typewritten word, unless you is just axidentally wiping you ass with the quay board the boat before your beloved bananas sink.If you is a girl try hitching your skirt up a bit higher to get the notice you obliviously crave, if is tbc.
davidoffon 2 years ago
not the case a u is a mans man, just try hitching across what ever wacky state you is in, in the same skinny mirth, this time take it off when the car approaches and see if you can get any growth on the bamboo, an obvious case of this is when the car horn is self motivated .Before I forget, if you did not write the above and it was done by your owner, the monkey, then I apologise projuicely.Sweet screams.
davidoffon 2 years ago
Lance is great athlete...he's just not a clean athlete...it's just the truth.
DeadlyMACD 1 year ago
If you want to double your HGH, drop eating sugar. If you want to triple your HGH stop eating sugar and exercise..
wwood14 2 years ago
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Prance Arsewrong is a wonderjerk guy
Who kissed his arse to find out why
The guys, their breath was so very high
Their voices to as eunachs do buy that
grace his arse grants with high pace
Plus the brown smudge on their face
davidoffon 2 years ago
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Sick3ninVend3tta 2 years ago
i flat out dont like armstrong..i never liked him..he was very hateful to some one i know during the 96 tour du pont..im 36 and i started riding in 85 and ive seen big riders come and go..armstrong was 180 pounds riding classic races..i think he finished 25th in 95 in TDF...if all classics riders needed to do was drop 20 pounds to win the tour thats one thing..thats like boonen dropping his muscle and comming back 155 pounds..i dont buy it..i hope he gets the msg in 2010, leaves for good.
sprintbass 2 years ago
Lance destroyed his own career, no one else, just him, he has to live with it, that is why he is such a nice guy, ha ha.
What comes around sticks around.
davidoffon 2 years ago
he is an egotistical jerk...everyone agrees he is a great rider but they always say BUT they dont like him personally...as i said..its not so much the doping about him ifs ands or buts..its the fact the guy is a jerk...he wont get in trouble because he has MILLIONS poured into the sport over him..its a buisness anymore..its more money if he races than if he is kicked out..they could have chose a nicer person for this if this is how it is..he is simply a cash cow...his name on it brings money.
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Sick3ninVend3tta 2 years ago
I am 64 and been riding for 25 yrs. most of everything I do on the bike has been tips that I got from Greg Lemond.
Thank God.
emilram 2 years ago 2
That said people, Armstrong was ranked number one in his first professional year - right before the cancer.
Its quite obvious the guy was a little quick to begin with -
moonhoolie 2 years ago
well lets not forget that this guys know how not to fail a doping test, just as long as they do it right, I love the sport very much, but lets be realistic, there is too much money on the line.
rick4777 2 years ago
ALL OF THE DOPE, ALL!!!!! Remember this once and for ALL.
SteemUSA 2 years ago
The 1988 TDF winner was caught with doping, but the substance wasnt on the list, yet. But the 1989 TDF winner was clean.., of course...
I agree with you, that both are freakish athletes, but they took something as well.
maik20091 2 years ago
Every TDF winner EVER was on something.
maik20091 2 years ago
le mond and indurain were clean. they were freakish atheletes. after that tho, drugs took over. pantani, lance. ulrich did everything. half the team managers have themselves failed at some stage (bjarne riis etc)
Zander11983 2 years ago
lance WAS and IS a freakish athlete, dont put him in the same category as pantani or ullrich man
toby099 2 years ago
if you're interested,read the book From Lance To Landis by David Walsh.He shows Lance is a good athlete,but has nowhere near the physiological stats of Indurain and Le Mond.Lance failed drug tests (cortisone in 2000, EPO in 2005). no more of this "the most tested athlete in the world" bull.if u look at the stats, in each of his 7 TDF victories,he wasnt even in the top 10 of the most tested cyclists(cos he refused to participate in any of the other races)
Zander11983 2 years ago
whatever. If he had failed those drugs tests, he would've been suspended right? why wasn't he?. Lance is the most tested athlete and has never been caught so why don't ya come up with something more interesting..........Prove to us that Lance has been a doper? There's no proof so i give him the benefit of the doubt.
juandi2570 2 years ago
he wasn't even in the top 10 most tested riders in the world as he concentrated solely on the Tour de France, thereby avoiding controls at all the other races. thats just more lance bullshit. look it up
Zander11983 2 years ago
whatever, you are just a lance hater so you have no credibility. LANCE HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF DOPING OTHERWISE HIS 7 TOUR DE FRANCES WOULD'VE BEEN ERASED AND YOU ARE POINTING OUT ARE SIMPLE RUMORS THAT HASN'T BEEN CONFIRMED.
juandi2570 2 years ago
micahel rasmussen, ivan basso, bjarne riis, david miller, steven roche, carl lewis, marion jones, michelle smith, lance armstrong....what have they all got in common? they never failed a drug test
Zander11983 2 years ago
whatever, how do you explain that LANCE HAS NEVER BEEN SUSPENDED AND HAS NEVER FAILED A DRUG TEST, SHUT THE HELL UP.
juandi2570 2 years ago
see my previous post. who fails these days? small riders with amateur doping programmes. the big guys dont. he's failed 7 by the way
Zander11983 2 years ago
he did!! twice in 99. The first one with corticosteroids and the second time with EPO. He is just well protected
vlanico 2 years ago
u r wrong. traces of EPO have been found in armstrong's urine from the 1999 tour but they could not do anything about it because the B sample had been damaged.
kvmusic 2 years ago
Nobody's been able to prove anything so what if this or that..........doesn't make any sense. Lance has never been suspended so anything else is just speculation or rumors.
juandi2570 2 years ago
Well then why are we talking about it then? They decided to test those samples so many years after they were first taken...why not test them in 2000? Both samples could have been corrupted...who knows, stop being bitter...
videolover61 2 years ago
videolover61,
first, i'm not bitter.
second, here is why they waited so many years before testing the samples? in 99 they could not detect EPO yet.
kvmusic 2 years ago
Ok...
Two questions: Was EPO illegal in 1999 even though they could not detect it?
And is there any possibility that EPO could still be Lance's system from his cancer treatments??
videolover61 2 years ago
they knew about EPO. they had known about it for years. but no tests were efficient yet. the problem is still going on now. they are starting to catch cyclists wit EPO cera in their system. that's the third generation EPO.
And recently, they said at the tour that cyclists might have been using a newer one. they are always ahead of the anti doping agency.
what has changed now is that the UCI is going to keep the samples longer hoppefully be able to catch the cheater retroactively.
kvmusic 2 years ago
regarding your question about EPO from his cancer treatment. no, too much delay in between the race and the treatment.
However, a way cyclists use doping is through medical prescriptions half the peloton is supposed to have asthma. that allows them to use otherwise prohibited drugs. and armstrong has his special prescriptions because of his cancer. so he has been able to use some prohibited drugs. but as i said he is far from being the only one.
kvmusic 2 years ago
??pantani was superb, jan too.
alanceiro 2 years ago
you are nuts. the rumors of doping are back to the 80's. There were so many rumors about Indurain being on dope. It's pretty interesting that Indurain quit racing in 1996 when the antidoping controls were professionaled and stricter. it's suspicious that Indurain got burned out in one year after winning his fifth tour de france........................... Thinking that drugs took over after 1996 is naive at best.
juandi2570 2 years ago
Lance is guilty:
1/ failed for corticosteroids
2/ failed for EPO
3/ admitted in hospital to Frankie Andreu and Stephanie McIlvainhe that he used Steroids, EPO and Human Growth Hormones during competitions (one of reasons cancer got so far before being detected)
4/ pulled out all the stops to get michele ferrari as his "doctor". Quote from ferarri: "If it doesn't show up in the drug controls, then it's not doping. EPO is not dangerous"
5/ treatment of Filippo Simeoni and christophe Bassons.
Zander11983 2 years ago
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juandi2570 2 years ago
You can't prove anything. it comes down to she says, he says.....................If you have proof submit it.
juandi2570 2 years ago 2
its a fact that his 6 b samples failed for EPO. its a fact that he told andreu and mcilvainhe of his drug use. why do u think he rode in the olympics with testicular cancer? its the easiest cancer to detect. but his HCG levels were normal. HCG levels are never normal in someone with TC. in fact, they there's an increase of about 50,000% he was using a masking agent to lower it artificially. thats the reason for the late detection and crazy blood results in the olympics
Zander11983 2 years ago
whatever man, just stop it. You have no proof otherwise go destroy lance's career. You are talking about what other people said which is not reliable evidence. The fact is that Armstrong has never failed a test and has never been stripped of any race.
juandi2570 2 years ago 5
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hes failed 7, google it! ya shame about never been stripped. hes got some super lawyers.
Zander11983 2 years ago
@juandi2570 funny how time tells the truth aint it ^^ Mr. Armstrong is currently beeing heard for his 250.000$ donations/fines/penaltys which he payed off in silence through a european banc account (from his team US postal service payed of by Johan Bruyneel his teamleader) during his Tour de France victory years. Lance failed quite soms tests, 1st was at 2001 when he won Tour of Swiss he tested positive on EPO which was held secret untill recent, later that year he also won the Tour.
Gilloe 1 year ago
@juandi2570 Lance has never failed a test. He has never said that he has never doped. If he was so clean he would have allowed the publishing of results that AFLD had. The only thing that allowed him not to permit this was the statute. I used to love Lance, but have removed the scented cotton plug from my nose to discover that there is some rotten in the state of Denmark, my friend. Wake up.
acbluestone 1 year ago
@acbluestone Well we all know that Lance has doped because it was required as treatment for his cancer. I think the real question is did he do it outside of what was required for his treatment.
AnimeIntroStyles4 1 year ago
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@juandi2570 Yes, Lance has zero positive tests. Ullrich has 0 positve, Basso has 0 positive, Rasmussen has 0 positive, Riis had 0 positive, Peipoli 0 positive. All were dopers though.
zoltar56 1 year ago
@juandi2570 He HAS failed a test...get your facts right. And i think we all know he doped by now, i bet your american lmao...
Silligk 6 months ago
@juandi2570 Hey I know you, you're Barry Bonds!
musicNsoccer 6 months ago
interesting. jock boyer told me personally that lemond said he would rather have anyone else win the world championships than him even though americans stick together. lemond chased down boyer and helped an italian win. lemond denies this. i wonder what the truth is????
joeenglert 2 years ago
LIFETIME BAN ON THE DRUG USERS.
lingopresley 2 years ago 3
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LeMond's problem is that he is pissed that he has been replaced as the Great America Tour Champion by Armstrong and he can't stand the fact that Armstrong's name, not his, is synonymous with American cycling.
saq428 2 years ago
You don't know shit about this, Do you?
allenfriel2 2 years ago
saq, dont play that card, i understand that is much easier than being honest and realizing that doping is rampant in cycling and most of the champions dating back to the 50s have been doped in one way or another.
lordraven1980 2 years ago
You must have only watched the channel versus/OLN and for only the past 10 years... Good job educating yourself on the sport of cycling and its history.
bustedbojangles 2 years ago
if somebody want buy steroids write for me
Thailandsteroid 2 years ago
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From my admire list to my avoid list.
Trek took an almost bankrupt LeMond bicycle Co and turned it into a $15 million a year business (incredible).
Problem is throwing money on an eccentric ego maniac (LeMond) is like throwing gasoline on a smoldering fire.
LeMonds second chance in life was Trek. All of his cards are now played. What a bitter has been.
xenophobephoto 2 years ago
Right on Lemond!.
He is doing his bit to help clean up the sport he loves and i don´t see why people give him flak about that.
lofi73 2 years ago 17
Agreed.
elizbethwhalen 2 years ago
people give him (lemond) shit because: many in the cycling world are afraid of what he says, and many of the general public are simply naive and ignorant and think lemond is jealous. (they dont understand that armstrong and all those guys are lying)
lordraven1980 2 years ago
Could´nt agree more.
lofi73 2 years ago
Armstrong clearly isnt lieing tho lets be honest
vinniemooreufo 2 years ago
no? of course he is..and i dont blame him. he has too much to loose to be honest.
do you really think lance without drugs can beat world class riders who have been caught using drugs such as EPO, which can increase your capacity by 10-15%? do you realize how small the margins are among elite cyclists? (or the elite in any sport)
dont be so naive.
lordraven1980 2 years ago
I dont know for certain if he didnt take drugs and you dont know 4 certain that he did . but i find it reely hard to believe that a man who has just over come brian lung and testicular cancer against the odds, would come straight out of hospital to take drugs that in the long term can cause major health problems and even cancer.
vinniemooreufo 2 years ago
what happaned to your earlier comment about lance CLEARLY not lying? (which he is)
obviously you have no understanding of the mentality of elite athletes...and could you please explain the thing i mentioned in my earlier comment: do you really think lance armstrong can beat doped elite cyclists without himself using drugs? (and remember a drug such as EPO can increase your capacity with 10-15%)
lordraven1980 2 years ago
well maby he just pushes him self 10-15% harder in training and races :D ever though of that? i think an entire carrer of clean blood tests ,and the fact that he had serious health problems would suggest he didnt take epo
and from what your saying if everybody including lance took epo he still anihalated them for 7 years epo or not
vinniemooreufo 2 years ago
you are missing my point..of course lance performance was incredible...winning 7 years in a row is amazing..but a doped lance armstrong beat other doped world class cyclists..thats the point im trying to make.
na ;)...lance is talented as hell (and a hard worker)..but he isnt naturally 10-15% better than the rest of the world...in sports the best are within 1% of each other.
lordraven1980 2 years ago
Thank God for having a fair level-headed comment! I totally agree. Lance is an amazing athlete, clean or not. I also love Lemond and cannot deny his greatness. These peak athletes really are a fraction of a percent away from each other, which is why there is a market for $700 saddles that weigh 80 grams instead of 82 grams, carbon wheelsets, and aerodynamic frames. These are just the features of cycling that are marketed to the public. Athletes still have to find a way to narrow that margin.
jimmymook6 2 years ago
Lance is one of the most tested athlete in this world and there has been no result that he is on any...how much more proof do you want to prove that he is on drugs (which he isn't) ?
mybox1500 2 years ago
u are living behind the moon, my friend!
l'équipe has made it public in 2005 that traces of EPO had been found subsequently in armstrong's urine samples of 1999. lance armstrong is a proven cheater and who is surprised about that?!
DieMaterialkralle 2 years ago
lé'quipe has been against lance for a long time
david44barclay 2 years ago 2
this is one of Lance's own idioms - "I'm the most tested athlete in the world", "If I quit, however, it lasts forever", "Pain is temporary. Quitting lasts forever". Its all bullshit spun out by his PR team. None of it has any basis. He's a born doper. Here's a fact: during his 7 TDF victories, he wasnt even in the top 10 most tested cyclists in the world, nevermind athletes. So if i ever hear that bs phrase again...
Zander11983 2 years ago
Who were the most tested athletes/cyclists than?
sparood 2 years ago
pick any 10 cyclists who rode with the King Doper, all of them were more tested. lance was only one who rode in 1 race a year, thereby avoiding all controls. at the time, there was no out of competition testing. lance was bottom of the league when it came to doping controls
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juandi2570 2 years ago
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before there wasn't an effctive test for EPO, or even hematacrit level testing, I'm sure a lot of interesting things were going on. Whether they involved Indurain is anybody's guess but the 90's were as dirty as hell in terms of doping.
tc
juandi2570 2 years ago
Indurain rode in support for Delgado for a few years as well, Delgado tested positive for a steroid masking agent, and his rumored nickname was "testo" in the peleton anyways.. I think I read somewhere where in made enough vauge statements in a interview to say "i did what i had to do etc.." so Yeah, Delgado had medical help. Does that mean his #1 Domestique, and eventual Spanish successor do the same? who knows... But it's not a stretch to think so...
juandi2570 2 years ago
And you dont know much yourself if you think you can cure cancer with will power ,in hospital...
EPO is a medicine used for the treatment of cancer ,thats what they use in hospitals...
my learned low psi rider.
boazmoss 2 years ago
haha i did know that i ment in terms of performance enhancing an im assuming u read that info off wikipedia or something yes?
vinniemooreufo 2 years ago
@lofi73 : hint: his holier-than-thou vigilante attitude.
ZhouSensei 1 year ago
Greg LeMond is like old ladies, he likes talking shit about people. You dont become great by gossiping. Eddy Merckx didnt need to talk shit about others to be great. Armstrong " eddy is like a father to me" and Lance learned to be decent like Eddy. Greg Lemond will one day understand everybody hates the neighborhood gossiper sooner or later.
12armstrong 2 years ago
Let's get this straight - someone rapes your wife and you're going to get mad at the guy who turns the rapist in? LeMond is doing all sports a service. Please explain how dopers help a sport in the long run. Short term, sure, they may gain public interest for setting records, like baseball home runs. Long term though, the public finds out and thinks everyone's a cheat. They need reliable methods of testing, to protect the athletes. By the way, I love Armstrong too and think he's clean.
deezynar 2 years ago
Shows the sort of pressure on riders to get results, get the results no matter how?
No direct test for EPO in the 1990's except for the hematocrit level in the blood.
The recent introduction of a urine test for EPO still seems not 100% accurate.
How could any athlete be competitive in the recent cycling era without taking something.
systemdown4 2 years ago 3
hamilton quit cycling after beeing tested positive again :)
go armstrong, you can do it, they havn't mastered how to detect dna doping yet!
DownLowProductions 2 years ago 3
Greg was, I think, a great and clean champ. I also admire Lance, who rode with more panache than any other Tour winner I know. Could their differences simply be down to their very different characters?
DHTCF 2 years ago
You are an idiot and a disgrace
DHTCF 2 years ago
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Excuses, that's why you "failed in your mind" LeMond...
P.S. I have a high regard for Greg LeMond but he is not telling the real truth.
ZQPYU 2 years ago
That's right, lemond spoke up while other US cyclist didn't do crap. Greg told it like it was and is. Who else would come forth, they were all scared because they knew the truth.
SkyJamMusicVideos 2 years ago 4
There's been a long-lasting feud between LeMond and Armstrong and it's sad, I think. Here are the two greatest Americans in a European-dominated sport and they don't like one another. LeMond will always suspect that Lance has doped and Armstrong will always regard LeMond as a jealous former champion. I, for one, think neither of them ever cheated and they both need to make up and recognize each other for their individual achievements.
sky51778 2 years ago
Greg told it like it was - and ended up in a dodgy spot for his efforts! That's a f***in shame for a great, clean rider who spoke truth to power. And what truth and what power.
outofthebag 3 years ago 10
Steroids wouldn't cause hart attacks directly. Everyone knows that. EPO is the dangerous thing here and shouldn't be labeled as a "steroid". Why does he even mention "testosterone"? If anything testosterone would lower aerobic capacity.
tjmuller 3 years ago
It helps with recovery. Thick Blood/ high heamotocrit will give someone a cardiac event in their sleep because the heart doesnt get enought oxygen.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Its not that the heart cant get enough oxygen... our heart beats slower during sleep and EPO makes it harder for it to pump thick high viscous blood that could clot. And when it does clots ... adios muchacho [JOse Jimenez]
balbahut0g 3 years ago 3
I think Lemond has some valid points.
His best one is about the Carbon-Menoxide testing to detect changes in blood volume.
All these guys are taking blood transfusions because there's only crappy/pretend testing for it.
The performance values will always hold steady though, with someone who is constantly doped.
Lemond has a good point also though, on lowering the max allowed heamotocrit.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago 5
-He also talked with Don Catlin for 2 hours after Lance's press conference... Maby about doing the right thing.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago 3
Greg has been there seen it and worn the tee-shirt. He's only telling the full truth as it really is and isn't jealous or grudging of anybody. Why should he be! It's always used as an excuse that the rider has sour grapes.
noshtrilz 3 years ago 4
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Lemond is a jealous jerk off who will never let go of the fact that Lance Armstrong is a greater rider. He never tested positive. Go JENS VOIGHT!!!
schnezza 3 years ago
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@schnezza You are naive.
cat4forlife 1 year ago
This is why I miss Greg, he was/is classy on the bike and off, a real gentleman. He is also right about the drama of the tour, it is gone! Guys get off the bike after a grueling climb up Alp D'Huez and in a minute they are recovered enough to hold an interview! In the past, rider's had that "thousand mile stare," after such a grueling mile; like they blew their brains out just getting to the top!
s9523pink 3 years ago 12
This still wouldnt work but atleast Greg is honestly thinking towards a solution. It would never work because the next generation of dopers are already doping heavily. The power, Vo2, blood values will all just remain contant when they get to the extremely high level that actually requires testing.
Its too bad he lost his Trek deal because of the Pharmstrong marketing force... He wanted to show he is legitimately trying to help instead of throw out accusations.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago 3
Lemond lost potentially millions of dolars for what he has said about cycling. He believes there should be less drug testing and testing run based on recorded sustained power outputs, VO2 max, etc. If this is exeeded above a certain margin in competition, then the rider is declared positive.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago 2
OMG that lady interviewer is so irritating. Couldn't she stop shuffling her notecards for one minute and pretend she's listening?
meiowalot 3 years ago
Why is he a toolbag? Because he tells it the way it is? He KNOWS Armstrong cheated {which he did.} Doesn't it bother you that Lance is a liar and a cheat?
kentucy9999 3 years ago 8
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O really? How many times has Lance been tested positive? huh? Greg Lemond is a jealous piece of shit.
joecool1226 3 years ago
Remember the assistant who found the vials, etc? Lance has the best experts to help him get through the tests which can be easy to decieve. It is wonderful what Greg {the 3 time tour winner} is doing to expose the deceitful Armstrong. What a sham!!
kentucy9999 3 years ago 5
That was a fired assistant who made that up because she was mad at Lance and wanted some money. Wheres the proof? she didn't have any. Plus do you really think that a cancer survivor would take drugs?
joecool1226 3 years ago
Remember the "B" tests? Oh. Do you remember the "B" tests?
kentucy9999 3 years ago 3
The A sample was negative.. therefore the B samples were mixed up or contaminated. You can't have one negative sample and one positive sample. They were both taken at the same time!!!
joecool1226 3 years ago
Well, a testicle cancer survivor will keep taking drugs forever just to keep his body as "normal" as possible... And that includes prescription testosterone for example, you "bright guy"...
jpg102 2 years ago
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What a loser. He was taking juice up the ass.
ferret6677 3 years ago
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Greg Lemond is such a toolbag. I can't believe I used to look up to this clown in the 80s.
jfields1972 3 years ago
Greg Lemond isnt a toolbag he's a limp dick.
hitoallandme 3 years ago
Pro stage racing is all about steroids, cortisone, amphetamines, chemo boosters RSR-13, Interleukins, insulin, peptide hormones, thyriod drugs, asthma, and blood boosting. If cows help, they use them. You cant recover and keep up without all of this and you dont get to a top team without a lot of juicing unless you have extremely high natural talent in the top 99.8% of population. All ProTour riders in the top 1% for lung capacity!!
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Geref (stimulant), Neoferinon, Androgel (testosterone), nandrolone (for the winter), synthetic haemoglobin and Actovegin.
mustardjunkie 3 years ago
Nothing's change