jacksmak77 please read again those Bible quotes you gave, NONE says faith ALONE. But James 2 24 you will read NOT by faith alone...u see NOT by faith alone. Thats the only time in Bible you see the words faith and alone together ( mono-pietei ) Why faith alone defenders NEVER quote Mat 25 31 ff ? Or Fil 2 12 ? Fr Bill Casey is clear
CHAPTER 32 -- WE ARE JUSTIFIED NOT BY OUR OWN WORKS, BUT BY FAITH.
And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that FAITH through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
CHAPTER 32 -- WE ARE JUSTIFIED NOT BY OUR OWN WORKS, BUT BY FAITH.
And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that FAITH through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Galatians 3:26. Faith alone. Romans 5:1. Faith alone. Romans 3:28. Faith alone. Romans 4:5. Faith alone. Works cancel grace. Romans 11:6. Luke 7:50. Faith alone. People that teach faith plus works are unsaved. Galatians 2:21. 3:18. 5:2, 5:4. Titus 3:5.
John 6:28 They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?”Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
Titus 3:4 But—“When God our Savior revealed his kindness and love, HE SAVED US, NOT BECAUSE OF THE RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of his mercy
HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH PRAYER to the DEAD
COMMAND OF JESUS CATHOLICS FAILED TO FOLLOW
Jesus says,
John 14:14 Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!
John 16:23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father DIRECTLY, and he will grant your request because you use my name
When you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. No man can serve two masters, some people only see money! The eye is the lamp of the body, but what good is a lamp without oil? .52 wehttaM !reah mih tel ,srae sah ohw eH. Whoever goes with the flow follows the wolf. He who has ears, let him hear!
Thank you lord for blessing me with the true faith Catholic christian.Thank you for blessing me with brothers in christ from different faiths as they draw me closer to your love and mercy and understanding others who are blinded from the truth Jesus truly present in the Eucharist .remember brothers and sisters in christ Satan comes ti steal kill and destroy dont let him steal the most sacred thing you can partake in communion
I'd like to reiterate that it is stupid, arrogant and worse than dumb for a Christian to say in a theological conflict, "Salvation is by faith alone!" The "by grace through" and "confession" (Rom.10:9-10) is too weighty to be ignored. "By faith alone" suggests (as do those who PARROT it) a "one time lasting forever" decision/experience that simply isn't at all what the Bible teaches.
If you think it does, then your ignorance of Romans 14:23 and a plethora of other Scripture is inexcusable.
911, only God know the heart and He alone elects. i think it is safe to say that if someone is carnal they would not inherit the Kingdom of God if they died today. however, God is not necessarily finished with someone who is currently bearing only bad fruit. as for me, He chose me in spite of how evil i was to be delivered. while i was carnal i thought i was saved. i don't think i was.
@bonajab " i think it is safe to say that if someone is carnal they would not inherit the Kingdom of God"
There are many people who would strongly argue that you're presenting salvation by works, and I could understand their argument. It seems you're very clearly saying that a Believer has to have incorporated a certain level of righteousness or the blood of Christ is not efficacious for him. I think you're misinterpreting Scripture. "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
@bonajab Your first point and your last two sentences I wouldn't contest and I think it's a common problem for people to be brainwashed with religious pretense. As you said, God does know the heart of all and His grace and mercy is truly amazing. Where I think you misinterpret Scripture is that you're seeing the "Kingdom of God" as our inheritance after we die. I think that's a mistake. We do have an inheritance then but we also have one now and the "KoG" is righteousness, peace and joy in H.S.
@bonajab Our relationship with God is by faith -- our faith. Your brother isn't required to live my your convictions, your opinions or your conscience (or mine), but by his own. It's amazing how differently Christians think and believe. It's even more amazing how God has not only allowed but, but engineered it. This is part of why Rom.15:7, 14:22-23 and 1Cor4:5 is in our Bible. God thinks He's in charge.
911, i don't know what message you read that i wrote but i think you must have been misunderstanding me. i believe in the election of God. anyone elected will have fruit. i do not beleive that one is save by simply believing that Jesus died for his sins. even the devil knows that Jesus died for our sins. i believed that and was a child of hell for many years. Then God saved me, not by my works but by HIS grace.
John, I think by faith alone. Paul goes into quite a bit of detail. I think it's possible to explain the apparent contradiction between Romans and James. I think good works are fruit. So, like a branch cannot produce fruit if not the vine, I cannot if I'm not in Christ (ie. born again)
You were responding to the channel author who said (rightly) that "faith alone" in wasn't Scripture, except it is in Scripture where James says faith without works is dead.
@bonajab I understand your position and for the most part, agree. I see many paradigms and try to get people to see the other guy's point of view because most people are brainwashed whether they know it or not and whether they want to be or not. I frequently challenge people to examine more closely what they think and believe in order to get them to engage their faith and continue to seek God because "... whatever is not of faith is sin."
Too many people find a truth and stop right there.
@bonajab There is a time to stop (or camp) and there's a time to move on. Most people don't like moving on and prefer to fight and argue instead. God has us on a sojourn and He's made that clear but we tend to pick and choose the Scriptures we like and lie back and veg... instead of engage our faith and look forward to what's next on this "Great Adventure" per SCC's song.
The doctrinal debates are mostly contention and strife instead of brothers lovingly exchanging. This is not good.
@bonajab Romans 10:9-10 says that one is saved by just believing and confessing. Right? We both know people who show no fruit, evidence, works or whatever you want to call it. But, should we criticize them behind their backs (I'm not accusing you - just mentioning because condemning & rejecting is what so many Christians do on YouTube) or give them the benefit of the doubt and pray for them? This life is by faith and all we do should be done in faith, and strife isn't faith but kindness is.
Sometimes doing the work in spite of a lack of faith can help build faith as well. The two (faith and works) are inseparable if you think about it. Mother Theresa is famous for her difficulties with faith and her long dark night, like St John of the Cross, yet she continued her work, which was to save others and sacrifice herself, whether or not she felt God's presence.
salvation is received through faith and belief... you must have these two things... you cant move on without personal faith ....these are the basics.... through faith and belief comes good works... good works are evidence of eternal change from death to life...
i dont do good works to earn points, good works are a natural
@coffinperson You're not being honest. The words "Faith alone" are NOT in that verse. You're not going to win this argument with a Catholic. You're going to need to first understand and appreciate what they believe and deal with it honestly and Scripturally and most people won't take the time... just like you DIDN'T.
Your point is good. Your problem is that you're not listening nor paying attention. Your remark that "God won't accept our works" shows you've never studied the subject in the NT.
@savedbyjesusblood What you need to do is quit being so smug, and humble yourself to believe what the Bible actually teaches and not what you've been told it says. NEITHER of the Scriptures you reference contain the words "faith alone."
Allow me to say it this way: PAY ATTENTION to what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS and not what you THINK it means.
"By grace through faith" DOES NOT MEAN "faith alone." Were it not for grace you would have no faith. You may dismiss that "minor point" but you err.
@savedbyjesusblood The reason I said "smug" is because that's what it is. Too many Christians are so self-righteous and proud BUT THEY HIDE IT behind "I'm being faithful to the Bible" but just like you've now done TWICE IN A ROW, they ASSUME AND DON'T LISTEN to others. Have you never heard two people argue and you thought, "why don't you guys listen to each other; you both have legitimate points but you're just being stubborn"?
@savedbyjesusblood This is a subject that most people THINK they understand because they understand the reasoning of the person(s) who taught them. However, most people take a simplistic doctrinal position that they've been taught and not one they learned by diligent examination of the Word in faith.
We're really on the same side; you're just not rightly dividing the Word. Faith is the victory that overcomes the world but it's not a doctrine; it's a relationship of faith. Rom 14:23b
@savedbyjesusblood Everyone always needs to go further, but most won't. There are those of us who are willing to go with Him outside the camp but most want to camp where are you. It's easy; it's simple and it requires nothing. "Ah... He did it all," which is true. But for some reasons you don't wish to understand, God stuck Php.3:10, Col.1:24, 1Pet.4(the WHOLE ch.)
As more than one man of God has said, "you're as close to God as you want to be." One guy say, "I just wanna make the gate!"
I understand and agree with you about "faith alone" but that's because I know the work of the Spirit and His revelation. This is a Catholic video and coming on here without any understanding of their beliefs makes you nothing better than a "critic." You're not going to be able to be communicating with any Catholics here because you're not listening. Listen to the video with a hearing ear and do a NT Bible search on "good works" and then try discussing it.
@coffinperson That's a great Scripture FOR your position that works don't justify us, but if you read the Bible enough, surely you've said, "God, why did you let James write the way He did?"
James 2:14-26 and many things in the NT make you look ignorant. I can reconcile those verses and PERHAPS you can too but if you can, why are you being obstinate instead of "with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition..." This is too important for arrogance. EXPLAIN truth to those who disagree.
@coffinperson I don't know if you listened to this video, but your simply referencing a few Scriptures isn't going to persuade the guy in the video. He knows the ones you know. You need to give a good answer to why his perspective is wrong. Can you do that? If you can, then why haven't you? Because Catholics are deceived and not worth your time? Because you don't want to bother? Because you just want to slap them with the Word and then leave? What if they would embrace it if you explained it?
@coffinperson God wont accept our good works?! LOL Well this pretty much gets blown apart in this video as this priest refers to the book of Matthew! The verse you referred is a small part of the pie NOT the whole picture. Believing is one thing and doing is another! Its almost like professing that your a HUGE fan of the Miami Dolphins to all your friends (or professing your faith in Jesus believing your SAVED). And when your friends ask how many games you have attended you say none...
@coffinperson It would be quite embarrassing admitting that you have never attended a single game to show your support (the same could be said about FAITH ALONERS in the sense that you say your a Christian but you wont or don't perform works as those who chose not to in the book of Matthew and then blindly pretend that that verse don't mean what it means. That a punishment is awaiting those who chose not to perform works even though your religious institution says otherwise and Faith is enough!
It's funny because the Roman Catholic Church has trillions of dollars, enough to end world hunger. It's not just by works alone but at the same time faith without works is dead. I guess it's how the two work together faith and works because a person who is truly saved will do the work or will of God. Being worth trillions of dollars is not the work of God.
@pseudorandom331 They can end world hunger! So many ways to prove the Roman Catholic Church to be false but when someone is caught up in a false doctrine it's very difficult to wake them up, best wishes.
@RicoRicanNYC NO "THEY" can't end world hunger! That is a false statement made by an anti-Catholic. The Catholic Church can't end poverty. Jesus Christ said so or did you miss that in scripture? You are part of the great apostasy. You belong to and are part of the Protestant Deformation and proclaim you're own Man Made Religion and that's deadly sin, Repent!. Your language is filthy, deceitful and full of hate for Holy Mother Church.
Yes they do have enough money to end world hunger. I'm not anti-Catholic however I know it's a false doctrine, Idol worship(every single statue is Caucasian), Mary Worship, Pope is "Christ", Pagan Prayer Beeds and so much more. The "Church" is a gathering of people who believe and follow Christ it has nothing to do with a man made building filled with Idols and Satanic symbols galore. Anyone who believes in Christ anywhere around the world and truly reads and follows is part of the Church.
to say "saved by faith" or "saved by works" is splitting the word faith into pieces that make the word loose its value. Who decided to split the word faith which must always include works, to be split like this?
"Farewell unhappy, hopeless, blasphemous Rome! The Wrath of God has come upon you, as you deserve. We cared for Babylon, and she is not healed; let us then leave her, that she may become the habitation of dragons, spectres, and witches." ~Martin Luther
And just why I should care about what Martin Luther (God please rest his soul), the man who taught "sin and sin boldly" and a person can commit fornication and murder 1000 times a day and not lose his justification, has to say?
It is no wonder ML wanted to throw the book of Revelations out of the Bible, which says "another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS" (Rev. 20:12, emphasis mine).
@baguazhang77 I couldn't care less what you think of Martin Luther. If you're without sin, then by all means, cast the first stone.
If you rightly divided the Word of God, you would know that the works a true Christian will be judged by are in regard to the receipt or loss of rewards (1 Cor 3:12-15, 2 Cor. 5:10).
There are no different categories in scripture distinguishing which works will be judged and which will not, if that is what you were alluding to by non-meritorious works. ALL works will be judged.
The distinction between meritorious vs. non-meritorious works is that those works that withstand the fire (God's judgement) in 1 Cor will be meritorious, while those that burn will not.
Perhaps we will not end up agreeing, but please clarify if I have misrepresented your point.
@baguazhang77 "There are no different categories in scripture distinguishing which works will be judged and which will not, if that is what you were alluding to by non-meritorious works. ALL works will be judged."
To clarify: You're misunderstanding what I mean by "meritorious works". I'm aware that there are no distinctions between works will be judged and those that will not.
@baguazhang77 (cont. 1) 1 Cor. 3:13 makes it clear that "every man's work shall be made manifest." Likewise, 2 Cor. 5:10 is clear that "every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." Hence, ALL works done by the Christian will be judged.
The unbiblical problem is in the use of your word "meritorious."
@baguazhang77 (cont. 2) As I said, these passages are clearly in regards to the Christian's rewards, be they received or lost. These have nothing to do with "merit", which entitles God to repay man for his "good works", which is absolutely refuted in the bible.
"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." ~Ro. 4:4
@baguazhang77 (cont. 3) Merits do not justify us, they never can, have or will. This is the message of the free gift of salvation (Ro. 5:15,16,18) by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the Lord Jesus Christ, and Him alone (Acts 4:12).
@baguazhang77 (cont. 4) "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus...Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." ~Ro. 3:24,27-28
If you have repentance and faith you do the works automatically. Those come out of love gratitude and thankfulness for true faith works through love.
But you don't merit your salvation by them!!!
The act of justification is based on faith, i.e. trusting in Jesus and HIS finished WORK, alone! It's distinct from the process of sanctifation, though connected with it. You can't have one without the other, but justification is sola fide.
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Tim,
Just so you know, a person is not saved by faith, a person is saved by obedience to faith. We are saved by Grace. Faith is a Grace and so is works. Your post is made up by a man made tradition of men, made up by the Protestant deformers to justify their denial of the power of the Holy Spirit to work through the sacraments. Faith Alone, scripture alone are to be found nowhere in the Bible.
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Tim,
I take the verse in Ephesians in "context". Paul is talking about circumcision. Jews believed in works of the "mosaic law".
Protesting Christians believe in their "work" of salvation, "Self Proclaimed Salvation". The Jews lived in the flesh, in the same way that Protestants who deny the power of the Holy Spirit to save through Baptism. This is in direct opposition to Scripture.
Wait, Paul is talking to gentiles - and he is telling them that they're saved by grace through faith APART from works and that they therefore are now heirs of the promise (like the jews under the old covenant). But all this is based on the work of Christ, namely the blood of Christ (v. 13) respectively through the cross (v. 16).
"APART FROM "WORKS" OF THE LAW". Or, "APART FROM WORKS OF THE MOSAIC LAW". That's a huge distinction. It's NOT "APART" from the law! Please, Please, study that more. YES, it is ALL based on Jesus through the cross and the resurrection.
Reformed Protestants believe in the finished work of Jesus Christ, not our own works.
And it is the Catholic 'church' that believes that works are meritorious before God.
Tell the thief on the cross one needs to be baptised to be saved, that he needed works to be saved, or that he needed to take part in the sacraments to be saved.
@ACruceSalus1:@ACruceSalus1: God's grace justifies us. However, works are an important component in how we respond to that grace. To ignore the importance of good works requires us to ignore tons of scripture. For those who don't think works are of import, just take a look at Romans 2:5-8.
I am not sure you heard what he said. We are saved by grace alone. You see it is by grace we believe and by grace we work. The grace merited by Christ and His sacrifice. That is why Paul and others to this day say "May the grace of God be with you". But you have to participate with that grace and let it transform you day by day. Sharing what you have is a work of mercy but you need God's grace to do that. That is why Catholics pray and go to mass: to receive God's grace.
@ACruceSalus1 "was not abraham our father justifed by works when he offered his son Isaac upone the altar?" (james 2:21) "see how a person is justifed by works and not by faith ALONE." (james 2:24)
This is what the bible says. U can be justified by God, faith,love,works,mercy,and grace. In no passage of the bible will u find Faith ALONE, except in james chap 2. And it says. A PERSON IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY FAITH ALONE. END OF DISCUSSION. FAITH ALONE IS A HERISY!!!!!!!!!!!!
My husband, enslaved2God, said it was ignorant, and though I agree...he will answer if he chooses to. Neither him nor I enjoy talking to people who assume they know what people think and know, as you have done...and personally why I am done answering your comments. Good day.
@ACruceSalus1: Yet, neither of you answered anything of substance. Rather, you both seemed to have gotten in a snit when I asked you to defend your comments. Can you say "Drive By?" Sweet...
Correct. We opted not to answer...due to your assumptions we feel it is not forthcoming to attempt to communicate with you.
To liken what we have said or opted not to say to you to a 'drive-by' is melodramtic. Some people truly want to communicate. With your assumptions and now resorting to more personal level tactics in your comments...why would we want to? We have no contention with you. We simply choose to answer people who can communicate with maturity.
@thecultureoflife I suggest doing your homework before speaking untruths and false accusations.
"Protesting Christians believe in their "work" of salvation, "Self Proclaimed Salvation"."
FIrstly, "Protesting Christians" is as vague a label as it gets. But if you're referring to Reformed Protestants, no Reformed creed or biblically anchored Reformed Protestant believes in salvation through "works", or "self proclaimed salvation"...whatever that is.
@thecultureoflife (cont.) Secondly, you say: "The Jews lived in the flesh, in the same way that Protestants who deny the power of the Holy Spirit to save through Baptism. This is in direct opposition to Scripture."
This is very telling. You mention Scripture? The Catholic church has twised and contradicted Scripture throughout its history. We aren't saved through baptism or any other ritual that merits, by obedience, the salvation of man. And you accuse Protestants of clinging to works?
No? So the Apostle Paul got it wrong? "Rom 4:13-15 It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. (14) For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, (15) because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
c.f. Eph 2:8-10 I will give you MANY more if you desire.
@gtepp031387 one must have living active faith and belief through these to personal actions can one only truly recieve Gods free gift... You are justifed by faith you are declared rightious... good works are evidence of spiritual conversion...if you have to work to show me your salvation then you arnt saved
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "see how a person is Justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE" James 2:24 also are u saying that faith somehow earns grace do you not know that to each man god has given him is measure of faith and on to us was GIVEN the ability to believe in christ and to suffer for him? and i think St Paul says it best if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:2 faith alone = NOTHING
@gtepp031387 You admit that Gods gift of salvation is free, you cant earn it, you cant buy it, you cant bribe God... if you think that Gods free gift of salvation is now dependant apon your works then YOU reject the bible which states that salvation is free.... you cant receive Gods free gift of salvation with works thats an oxymoron isnt it...
yes we need faith - faith is the foundation... faith doesnt earn grace the way you mean it does like works...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker And know one has eternal life untill they come before Jesus sitting on the throne of Judgement Matthew 25:31-46 where there "all the dead shall be Judged on there works" Rev 20:13
@gtepp031387 wow, you are so wrong.... your answe shows me that you and the catholic church teaches a false gospel message.. i should point you in the right direction.. using the scriptures of course and not the lies of the catholic church... they have really led you astray..
no wonder you are confused about what being born again is... you should read the scriptures again...
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Salvation is by GRACE not by faith alone. "if i have faith to move mountains and have not love then i am nothing" 1 Corinthians 13:2 and "faith of itself, if not accompanied by works, is dead" James 2:17 faith alone = noithing and dead. Salvation is free it can not be earned it is by GRACE however we recieve "grace for grace" John 1:16 By continueing to hold on to the grace in which the LORD has freely given and not turning away with our free will(which is also a gift of..
@MrLoudmouthspeaker GOD and one he doesnt take away) we recieve a greater installment of grace, but only by the grace we had already recieved is this grace added thus "grace for grace" John 1:16 is forfilled. This is explicitly told us by the apostal who says "which is our first installment of our inheritance towards redemtion" 1 Ephesians 14. Thus one remains in grace and recieves additional installments of grace untill one achieves "salvation through sanctification" 2 Thessalonians 2:13
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Good works are the fruits that grow out of being saved. They do not make you saved. An apple does not make its tree an apple tree, it was already an apple tree before any apples appeared. When you see the apples; however, you know what kind of tree it is. If a person is saved, he will shew forth good works because he has the spirit of Christ in him. The good works don't make him saved only the blood of Jesus can do that.
ah the legalists...i see...how about Ephesians 2:8 NO NO actually Romans 4: 16. that ones better. No wait. Lets do Romans 5:1 it is people like you that Paul tore up. And John Calvin because hes a rock star.
John, I think by faith alone. Paul goes into quite a bit of detail. I think it's possible to explain the apparent contradiction between Romans and James. I think good works are fruit. So, like a branch cannot produce fruit if not the vine, I cannot if I'm not in Christ (ie. born again).
Let's try this: A person is not saved by works, but, will not be saved without them. Works are not an option, so, they are necessary for salvation, as the scripture says. Faith "Alone" Scripture "Alone" are not in Scripture.
@savedbyjesusblood you need to study Romans in context. Paul is talking to the Jews and the gentiles. Study and find out what is meant by "Works of the Law". Either that or just use a black magic marker and black out James 2:24 in your Bible.
@johna654 The law works to bring us to Christ because the law itself cannot save, it only brings wrath. Children of God are led by the Spirit. They have died to the law through Christ.
James is talking about proving your faith before men. It is not talking about being justified before God by works.
I guess you don't have a love of the truth and want something to boast about on that Day.
@savedbyjesusblood You believe in "Faith Alone & Scripture Alone" that's not in Scripture. You reject Baptism as the means to salvation. You perform a man made act of self salvation by proclaiming your own salvation through a sinners prayer, which is in itself a work, and found nowhere in Scripture. You reject Matt 16:19 and John chapter 6. Then, you accuse other people of boasting? Protesting Christians are amazing.
@thecultureoflife Romans says we are justified by faith in His blood. Baptism doesn't save anyone. I boast in the cross of Christ, His work, not my own, for I have none. Glory to God forever!
@savedbyjesusblood u must learn the difference between works of the flesh, which men can boast of, and work of the spirit, in which no one can boast of themselves but can only boast of GOD. If one does not choose to do the works of the spirit thoe that one is strengthen by the spirit of GOD and given all the help he can need still rejects GOD it is of himself that has failed and there is no partiality becaues GOD through the spirit made them equall. This man has truley failed not becaues GOD
@savedbyjesusblood did not give him the strength but becaues this one had turned his heart and thus his life into the flesh and works of the flesh. This one abondons the spirit and has given himself to a freely to sin thus becoming a child of the devil, not becaues of GOD! no but becaues of himself who recieved all he needed and was treated fairly, given the chance everyone else was, and still turned away.
@bonajab You've not dealt honestly with Jesus' words. When He said the words you quote, He was talking to His Disciples. To suggest "abiding in the vine" equates with the new birth is terrible exegesis and outright dishonest with the text.
I suggest you repent for interpreting Scripture in light of what you believe and turn that horse around.
It's a great error to pretend that everything stems from birth. A child will die if he's not fed regardless of how healthy he was when born. cont1
@bonajab cont2 Look again at Jesus' words and consider them for what they plainly say. The instruction, "abide in Me" necessarily carries the option of not abiding. This is not rocket science. The analogy to a plant is simple and straightforward. No Baptist will touch John 15:6 because they do the same that you did; they interpret the Bible in light of their opinions and when it doesn't fit, they ignore, twist or lie, as does everyone else who tries to make the Bible fit their theology.
@bonajab cont3 This is very unwise. This is what the Scripture calls unbelief and it definitely is something for which you need to repent. "Paul goes into quite a bit of detail" and your explanation is good that works are fruit but you don't seem to understand that when you find a difficult Scripture (like John 15:6 [and MANY others]) you should take those to the Lord and ask Him for understanding. Is John 10:27 still in your Bible? Must you ask a man what it means? Can God reveal truth?
@bonajab cont4 John shows himself a Catholic by his emphasis on works and failure to see any revelation beyond that, but nevertheless, he tells the truth about the only time "faith alone" is in Scripture, it says that faith is dead. He's content to be Catholic and let his superiors tell him what to believe and He'll answer to God for that, but nevertheless, the Scriptures give far more emphasis to works than Baptists or fundamentalists will honestly admit. Romans 14:23 says very clearly and
@bonajab cont5 PLAINLY that "...whatsoever is not of faith is sin." This should be a major clue to you that "faith for the new birth" is like giving birth to a natural baby and then walking away rejoicing -- and pretending that baby will survive and flourish without the necessities of life. The Baptists seem to be so stupid. They act like, talk like and preach like everything happened the moment a person was born again. One has to have help to be so stupid. Neither Scripture nor life support
@bonajab cont6 such nonsense. (By "life," I mean the fact that the natural is a picture of the spiritual) An honest evaluation of Scripture is practically non-existent because denominational people feel compelled to believe what they're told (as least to some extent) and you can't get objectivity from a Baptist. They are well known across the denominations for "knowing they're right and being proud of it" when they have not only just as many, but often, MORE biases than their counterparts.
Romans and James appear to contradict. I think we are saved unto good works. I don't think someone who is not born again can please God. He saved me when I was dead in my sin. Only after He made me "in Him" did I want, or have the ability, to do good.
jacksmak77 please read again those Bible quotes you gave, NONE says faith ALONE. But James 2 24 you will read NOT by faith alone...u see NOT by faith alone. Thats the only time in Bible you see the words faith and alone together ( mono-pietei ) Why faith alone defenders NEVER quote Mat 25 31 ff ? Or Fil 2 12 ? Fr Bill Casey is clear
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TO ALL CATHOLIC PARISHIONERS
JUSTIN MARTYR preached FAITH ALONE
CHAPTER 32 -- WE ARE JUSTIFIED NOT BY OUR OWN WORKS, BUT BY FAITH.
And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that FAITH through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
abukid 2 weeks ago
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TO ALL CATHOLIC PARISHIONERS
JUSTIN MARTYR preached FAITH ALONE
CHAPTER 32 -- WE ARE JUSTIFIED NOT BY OUR OWN WORKS, BUT BY FAITH.
And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that FAITH through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
abukid 2 weeks ago
Galatians 3:26. Faith alone. Romans 5:1. Faith alone. Romans 3:28. Faith alone. Romans 4:5. Faith alone. Works cancel grace. Romans 11:6. Luke 7:50. Faith alone. People that teach faith plus works are unsaved. Galatians 2:21. 3:18. 5:2, 5:4. Titus 3:5.
jacksmack77 3 weeks ago
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·HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH on "Sola Fide"
Jesus who is God and apostles taught FAITH ALONE
John 6:28 They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?”Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
Titus 3:4 But—“When God our Savior revealed his kindness and love, HE SAVED US, NOT BECAUSE OF THE RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of his mercy
abukid 1 month ago
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HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH PRAYER to the DEAD
COMMAND OF JESUS CATHOLICS FAILED TO FOLLOW
Jesus says,
John 14:14 Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!
John 16:23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father DIRECTLY, and he will grant your request because you use my name
Saints CAN'T cure CANCER
abukid 1 month ago
When you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. No man can serve two masters, some people only see money! The eye is the lamp of the body, but what good is a lamp without oil? .52 wehttaM !reah mih tel ,srae sah ohw eH. Whoever goes with the flow follows the wolf. He who has ears, let him hear!
RyanCreated 1 month ago
Thank you lord for blessing me with the true faith Catholic christian.Thank you for blessing me with brothers in christ from different faiths as they draw me closer to your love and mercy and understanding others who are blinded from the truth Jesus truly present in the Eucharist .remember brothers and sisters in christ Satan comes ti steal kill and destroy dont let him steal the most sacred thing you can partake in communion
kaistigerboy 6 months ago 2
I'd like to reiterate that it is stupid, arrogant and worse than dumb for a Christian to say in a theological conflict, "Salvation is by faith alone!" The "by grace through" and "confession" (Rom.10:9-10) is too weighty to be ignored. "By faith alone" suggests (as do those who PARROT it) a "one time lasting forever" decision/experience that simply isn't at all what the Bible teaches.
If you think it does, then your ignorance of Romans 14:23 and a plethora of other Scripture is inexcusable.
911dispatcher 7 months ago
Praise Christ!
sungmoon1987 7 months ago
911, only God know the heart and He alone elects. i think it is safe to say that if someone is carnal they would not inherit the Kingdom of God if they died today. however, God is not necessarily finished with someone who is currently bearing only bad fruit. as for me, He chose me in spite of how evil i was to be delivered. while i was carnal i thought i was saved. i don't think i was.
bonajab 8 months ago
@bonajab " i think it is safe to say that if someone is carnal they would not inherit the Kingdom of God"
There are many people who would strongly argue that you're presenting salvation by works, and I could understand their argument. It seems you're very clearly saying that a Believer has to have incorporated a certain level of righteousness or the blood of Christ is not efficacious for him. I think you're misinterpreting Scripture. "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
911dispatcher 8 months ago
@bonajab Your first point and your last two sentences I wouldn't contest and I think it's a common problem for people to be brainwashed with religious pretense. As you said, God does know the heart of all and His grace and mercy is truly amazing. Where I think you misinterpret Scripture is that you're seeing the "Kingdom of God" as our inheritance after we die. I think that's a mistake. We do have an inheritance then but we also have one now and the "KoG" is righteousness, peace and joy in H.S.
911dispatcher 8 months ago
@bonajab Our relationship with God is by faith -- our faith. Your brother isn't required to live my your convictions, your opinions or your conscience (or mine), but by his own. It's amazing how differently Christians think and believe. It's even more amazing how God has not only allowed but, but engineered it. This is part of why Rom.15:7, 14:22-23 and 1Cor4:5 is in our Bible. God thinks He's in charge.
911dispatcher 7 months ago
911, i don't know what message you read that i wrote but i think you must have been misunderstanding me. i believe in the election of God. anyone elected will have fruit. i do not beleive that one is save by simply believing that Jesus died for his sins. even the devil knows that Jesus died for our sins. i believed that and was a child of hell for many years. Then God saved me, not by my works but by HIS grace.
bonajab 9 months ago
@bonajab Here's the message:
John, I think by faith alone. Paul goes into quite a bit of detail. I think it's possible to explain the apparent contradiction between Romans and James. I think good works are fruit. So, like a branch cannot produce fruit if not the vine, I cannot if I'm not in Christ (ie. born again)
You were responding to the channel author who said (rightly) that "faith alone" in wasn't Scripture, except it is in Scripture where James says faith without works is dead.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab I understand your position and for the most part, agree. I see many paradigms and try to get people to see the other guy's point of view because most people are brainwashed whether they know it or not and whether they want to be or not. I frequently challenge people to examine more closely what they think and believe in order to get them to engage their faith and continue to seek God because "... whatever is not of faith is sin."
Too many people find a truth and stop right there.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab There is a time to stop (or camp) and there's a time to move on. Most people don't like moving on and prefer to fight and argue instead. God has us on a sojourn and He's made that clear but we tend to pick and choose the Scriptures we like and lie back and veg... instead of engage our faith and look forward to what's next on this "Great Adventure" per SCC's song.
The doctrinal debates are mostly contention and strife instead of brothers lovingly exchanging. This is not good.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab Romans 10:9-10 says that one is saved by just believing and confessing. Right? We both know people who show no fruit, evidence, works or whatever you want to call it. But, should we criticize them behind their backs (I'm not accusing you - just mentioning because condemning & rejecting is what so many Christians do on YouTube) or give them the benefit of the doubt and pray for them? This life is by faith and all we do should be done in faith, and strife isn't faith but kindness is.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
Good sermon, hard words to accept, but still true.
livinupnorth1 11 months ago
Romans 5:1 Romans 3:28. Luke 7:50. Faith alone. Mark 5:34-36. Galatians 2:16. You are wrong!
jacksmack77 11 months ago
Sometimes doing the work in spite of a lack of faith can help build faith as well. The two (faith and works) are inseparable if you think about it. Mother Theresa is famous for her difficulties with faith and her long dark night, like St John of the Cross, yet she continued her work, which was to save others and sacrifice herself, whether or not she felt God's presence.
forgetfulmuse 1 year ago
salvation is received through faith and belief... you must have these two things... you cant move on without personal faith ....these are the basics.... through faith and belief comes good works... good works are evidence of eternal change from death to life...
i dont do good works to earn points, good works are a natural
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
I love listening to Father Casey. He really helped stregthen my catholic faith. We need more priests like this.
angelamwatts 1 year ago
I love listening to Father Casey. He really helped stregthen my catholic faith. We need more priests like this.
angelamwatts 1 year ago
No "faith alone" passages in the Bible? Really?
"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." - Romans 4:5
coffinperson 1 year ago
@coffinperson i do not see the word alone in that passage from Romans. Where are you getting this?
timflo3 1 year ago
@coffinperson You're not being honest. The words "Faith alone" are NOT in that verse. You're not going to win this argument with a Catholic. You're going to need to first understand and appreciate what they believe and deal with it honestly and Scripturally and most people won't take the time... just like you DIDN'T.
Your point is good. Your problem is that you're not listening nor paying attention. Your remark that "God won't accept our works" shows you've never studied the subject in the NT.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@911dispatcher Ephesians 2:8-9, Jonh 3:16. Do I need to go further?
savedbyjesusblood 9 months ago
@savedbyjesusblood What you need to do is quit being so smug, and humble yourself to believe what the Bible actually teaches and not what you've been told it says. NEITHER of the Scriptures you reference contain the words "faith alone."
Allow me to say it this way: PAY ATTENTION to what the Bible ACTUALLY SAYS and not what you THINK it means.
"By grace through faith" DOES NOT MEAN "faith alone." Were it not for grace you would have no faith. You may dismiss that "minor point" but you err.
911dispatcher 8 months ago
@savedbyjesusblood The reason I said "smug" is because that's what it is. Too many Christians are so self-righteous and proud BUT THEY HIDE IT behind "I'm being faithful to the Bible" but just like you've now done TWICE IN A ROW, they ASSUME AND DON'T LISTEN to others. Have you never heard two people argue and you thought, "why don't you guys listen to each other; you both have legitimate points but you're just being stubborn"?
Well, look in the mirror.
"Faith alone" is a contextual argument.
911dispatcher 8 months ago
@savedbyjesusblood This is a subject that most people THINK they understand because they understand the reasoning of the person(s) who taught them. However, most people take a simplistic doctrinal position that they've been taught and not one they learned by diligent examination of the Word in faith.
We're really on the same side; you're just not rightly dividing the Word. Faith is the victory that overcomes the world but it's not a doctrine; it's a relationship of faith. Rom 14:23b
911dispatcher 8 months ago
@savedbyjesusblood Everyone always needs to go further, but most won't. There are those of us who are willing to go with Him outside the camp but most want to camp where are you. It's easy; it's simple and it requires nothing. "Ah... He did it all," which is true. But for some reasons you don't wish to understand, God stuck Php.3:10, Col.1:24, 1Pet.4(the WHOLE ch.)
As more than one man of God has said, "you're as close to God as you want to be." One guy say, "I just wanna make the gate!"
911dispatcher 7 months ago
@coffinperson contb
I understand and agree with you about "faith alone" but that's because I know the work of the Spirit and His revelation. This is a Catholic video and coming on here without any understanding of their beliefs makes you nothing better than a "critic." You're not going to be able to be communicating with any Catholics here because you're not listening. Listen to the video with a hearing ear and do a NT Bible search on "good works" and then try discussing it.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@coffinperson That's a great Scripture FOR your position that works don't justify us, but if you read the Bible enough, surely you've said, "God, why did you let James write the way He did?"
James 2:14-26 and many things in the NT make you look ignorant. I can reconcile those verses and PERHAPS you can too but if you can, why are you being obstinate instead of "with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition..." This is too important for arrogance. EXPLAIN truth to those who disagree.
911dispatcher 8 months ago
@coffinperson I don't know if you listened to this video, but your simply referencing a few Scriptures isn't going to persuade the guy in the video. He knows the ones you know. You need to give a good answer to why his perspective is wrong. Can you do that? If you can, then why haven't you? Because Catholics are deceived and not worth your time? Because you don't want to bother? Because you just want to slap them with the Word and then leave? What if they would embrace it if you explained it?
911dispatcher 8 months ago
Call no man FATHER. This video is heresy. This is not an appropriate "homily" at a funeral. (Ephesians 2:8-9) God won't accept our good works.
coffinperson 1 year ago
@coffinperson God wont accept our good works?! LOL Well this pretty much gets blown apart in this video as this priest refers to the book of Matthew! The verse you referred is a small part of the pie NOT the whole picture. Believing is one thing and doing is another! Its almost like professing that your a HUGE fan of the Miami Dolphins to all your friends (or professing your faith in Jesus believing your SAVED). And when your friends ask how many games you have attended you say none...
neocon2009 1 year ago
@coffinperson It would be quite embarrassing admitting that you have never attended a single game to show your support (the same could be said about FAITH ALONERS in the sense that you say your a Christian but you wont or don't perform works as those who chose not to in the book of Matthew and then blindly pretend that that verse don't mean what it means. That a punishment is awaiting those who chose not to perform works even though your religious institution says otherwise and Faith is enough!
neocon2009 1 year ago
It's funny because the Roman Catholic Church has trillions of dollars, enough to end world hunger. It's not just by works alone but at the same time faith without works is dead. I guess it's how the two work together faith and works because a person who is truly saved will do the work or will of God. Being worth trillions of dollars is not the work of God.
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@RicoRicanNYC
And who pray tell is the largest charitable organization on the planet? Why, it's the Catholic Church. hmmm...
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
@pseudorandom331 They can end world hunger! So many ways to prove the Roman Catholic Church to be false but when someone is caught up in a false doctrine it's very difficult to wake them up, best wishes.
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@RicoRicanNYC NO "THEY" can't end world hunger! That is a false statement made by an anti-Catholic. The Catholic Church can't end poverty. Jesus Christ said so or did you miss that in scripture? You are part of the great apostasy. You belong to and are part of the Protestant Deformation and proclaim you're own Man Made Religion and that's deadly sin, Repent!. Your language is filthy, deceitful and full of hate for Holy Mother Church.
John
thecultureoflife 1 year ago
Yes they do have enough money to end world hunger. I'm not anti-Catholic however I know it's a false doctrine, Idol worship(every single statue is Caucasian), Mary Worship, Pope is "Christ", Pagan Prayer Beeds and so much more. The "Church" is a gathering of people who believe and follow Christ it has nothing to do with a man made building filled with Idols and Satanic symbols galore. Anyone who believes in Christ anywhere around the world and truly reads and follows is part of the Church.
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
@RicoRicanNYC You are the one who should wake up and stop preaching nonsense.
Enigmatik691 1 year ago
@Enigmatik691 Yeah..... Go go kiss the feet of your Satanic Idol!!
RicoRicanNYC 1 year ago
A Christain is not saved by faith alone? You are a lying spirit...
disciplesofthecross 1 year ago
to say "saved by faith" or "saved by works" is splitting the word faith into pieces that make the word loose its value. Who decided to split the word faith which must always include works, to be split like this?
bradleesargent 1 year ago
"Farewell unhappy, hopeless, blasphemous Rome! The Wrath of God has come upon you, as you deserve. We cared for Babylon, and she is not healed; let us then leave her, that she may become the habitation of dragons, spectres, and witches." ~Martin Luther
enslaved2God 1 year ago 5
And just why I should care about what Martin Luther (God please rest his soul), the man who taught "sin and sin boldly" and a person can commit fornication and murder 1000 times a day and not lose his justification, has to say?
It is no wonder ML wanted to throw the book of Revelations out of the Bible, which says "another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS" (Rev. 20:12, emphasis mine).
baguazhang77 1 year ago
@baguazhang77 I couldn't care less what you think of Martin Luther. If you're without sin, then by all means, cast the first stone.
If you rightly divided the Word of God, you would know that the works a true Christian will be judged by are in regard to the receipt or loss of rewards (1 Cor 3:12-15, 2 Cor. 5:10).
These works are NOT meritorious.
enslaved2God 1 year ago 4
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baguazhang77 1 year ago
There are no different categories in scripture distinguishing which works will be judged and which will not, if that is what you were alluding to by non-meritorious works. ALL works will be judged.
The distinction between meritorious vs. non-meritorious works is that those works that withstand the fire (God's judgement) in 1 Cor will be meritorious, while those that burn will not.
Perhaps we will not end up agreeing, but please clarify if I have misrepresented your point.
baguazhang77 1 year ago
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@baguazhang77 "There are no different categories in scripture distinguishing which works will be judged and which will not, if that is what you were alluding to by non-meritorious works. ALL works will be judged."
To clarify: You're misunderstanding what I mean by "meritorious works". I'm aware that there are no distinctions between works will be judged and those that will not.
enslaved2God 1 year ago 7
@baguazhang77 (cont. 1) 1 Cor. 3:13 makes it clear that "every man's work shall be made manifest." Likewise, 2 Cor. 5:10 is clear that "every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." Hence, ALL works done by the Christian will be judged.
The unbiblical problem is in the use of your word "meritorious."
enslaved2God 1 year ago 4
@baguazhang77 (cont. 2) As I said, these passages are clearly in regards to the Christian's rewards, be they received or lost. These have nothing to do with "merit", which entitles God to repay man for his "good works", which is absolutely refuted in the bible.
"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt." ~Ro. 4:4
enslaved2God 1 year ago 4
@baguazhang77 (cont. 3) Merits do not justify us, they never can, have or will. This is the message of the free gift of salvation (Ro. 5:15,16,18) by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the Lord Jesus Christ, and Him alone (Acts 4:12).
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enslaved2God 1 year ago 4
@baguazhang77 (cont. 4) "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus...Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law." ~Ro. 3:24,27-28
enslaved2God 1 year ago 4
@enslaved2God And what loss of rewards would that be? Rivers of lead in lieu of gold? Romans 2:5-7
"5 By your stubbornness and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself for the day of wrath and revelation of the just judgment of God,
6 who will repay everyone according to his works:
7 eternal life [heaven] to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality through perseverance in good works,
8 but wrath and fury [hell] to those who selfishly disobey the truth and obey wickedness."
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
@enslaved2God :
Like I said... can you say "Drive by?".
Pax!
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
@pseudorandom331 Can you say "childish"?
Goodbye.
enslaved2God 1 year ago 4
@enslaved2God :
Can you say "intellectually vapid"?
Pax!
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
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ONLY GOD IS INFALIBLE.
De:32:4: He is theROCK, his work is perfect:: a GOD OF TRUTH
1Co:10:4: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them: and that ROCK WAS CHRIST was Christ.
2Sa:22:3: The God of my rock; in him will I trust:
2Sa:22:32: For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?
Ro:9:33: Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth ON HIM SHALL NOT BE ASHAMRD.
hoffabrando 2 years ago 6
If you have repentance and faith you do the works automatically. Those come out of love gratitude and thankfulness for true faith works through love.
But you don't merit your salvation by them!!!
The act of justification is based on faith, i.e. trusting in Jesus and HIS finished WORK, alone! It's distinct from the process of sanctifation, though connected with it. You can't have one without the other, but justification is sola fide.
TimotheosCauvin 2 years ago 7
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Tim,
Just so you know, a person is not saved by faith, a person is saved by obedience to faith. We are saved by Grace. Faith is a Grace and so is works. Your post is made up by a man made tradition of men, made up by the Protestant deformers to justify their denial of the power of the Holy Spirit to work through the sacraments. Faith Alone, scripture alone are to be found nowhere in the Bible.
thecultureoflife 2 years ago
Just out of interest:
How do you deal with Ephesians 2, 8 a. 9 or Romans 4, 5?
Pax tecum
TimotheosCauvin 2 years ago 2
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Tim,
I take the verse in Ephesians in "context". Paul is talking about circumcision. Jews believed in works of the "mosaic law".
Protesting Christians believe in their "work" of salvation, "Self Proclaimed Salvation". The Jews lived in the flesh, in the same way that Protestants who deny the power of the Holy Spirit to save through Baptism. This is in direct opposition to Scripture.
Saved By Grace,
John
thecultureoflife 2 years ago
Wait, Paul is talking to gentiles - and he is telling them that they're saved by grace through faith APART from works and that they therefore are now heirs of the promise (like the jews under the old covenant). But all this is based on the work of Christ, namely the blood of Christ (v. 13) respectively through the cross (v. 16).
TimotheosCauvin 2 years ago 4
Tim,
"APART FROM "WORKS" OF THE LAW". Or, "APART FROM WORKS OF THE MOSAIC LAW". That's a huge distinction. It's NOT "APART" from the law! Please, Please, study that more. YES, it is ALL based on Jesus through the cross and the resurrection.
Peace,
John
thecultureoflife 2 years ago
And baptism is linked with faith throughout the whole New Testament ...
TimotheosCauvin 2 years ago
@thecultureoflife
Reformed Protestants believe in the finished work of Jesus Christ, not our own works.
And it is the Catholic 'church' that believes that works are meritorious before God.
Tell the thief on the cross one needs to be baptised to be saved, that he needed works to be saved, or that he needed to take part in the sacraments to be saved.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago 6
@ACruceSalus1
The theif on the cross did perform a work - he came to the defense of our Lord.
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
@pseudorandom331
Are you inferrring this is what saved him and not the grace of God through faith which is what the bible teaches?
It's more than clear that works do not justify us before God.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago 6
@ACruceSalus1:@ACruceSalus1: God's grace justifies us. However, works are an important component in how we respond to that grace. To ignore the importance of good works requires us to ignore tons of scripture. For those who don't think works are of import, just take a look at Romans 2:5-8.
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
@pseudorandom331
I didn't say, or even imply, that works aren't important.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago
@ACruceSalus1
I am not sure you heard what he said. We are saved by grace alone. You see it is by grace we believe and by grace we work. The grace merited by Christ and His sacrifice. That is why Paul and others to this day say "May the grace of God be with you". But you have to participate with that grace and let it transform you day by day. Sharing what you have is a work of mercy but you need God's grace to do that. That is why Catholics pray and go to mass: to receive God's grace.
Buzzz46 1 year ago
@ACruceSalus1 "was not abraham our father justifed by works when he offered his son Isaac upone the altar?" (james 2:21) "see how a person is justifed by works and not by faith ALONE." (james 2:24)
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387
No one is justified by works.
The Word of God is succinct on that.
James is teaching that true faith is followed by works, not that works justify us before God.
Read Galatians 3. Abraham was justified by faith 430 years before the law was even given.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago
This is what the bible says. U can be justified by God, faith,love,works,mercy,and grace. In no passage of the bible will u find Faith ALONE, except in james chap 2. And it says. A PERSON IS NOT JUSTIFIED BY FAITH ALONE. END OF DISCUSSION. FAITH ALONE IS A HERISY!!!!!!!!!!!!
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387
It is futile to carry on.
I agree. End of discussion.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago
@pseudorandom331 I can not believe the absolute ignorance of that statement and its implications.
enslaved2God 1 year ago 4
@enslaved2God: In lieu of name calling, why not elaborate on its implications.
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
@pseudorandom331
Calling a statement ignorant is not name-calling.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago
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@ACruceSalus1:
Good then why not state WHY you think the statement to be ignorant AND its implications.
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
@pseudorandom331
My husband, enslaved2God, said it was ignorant, and though I agree...he will answer if he chooses to. Neither him nor I enjoy talking to people who assume they know what people think and know, as you have done...and personally why I am done answering your comments. Good day.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago 3
@ACruceSalus1: Yet, neither of you answered anything of substance. Rather, you both seemed to have gotten in a snit when I asked you to defend your comments. Can you say "Drive By?" Sweet...
pseudorandom331 1 year ago
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@pseudorandom331
Correct. We opted not to answer...due to your assumptions we feel it is not forthcoming to attempt to communicate with you.
To liken what we have said or opted not to say to you to a 'drive-by' is melodramtic. Some people truly want to communicate. With your assumptions and now resorting to more personal level tactics in your comments...why would we want to? We have no contention with you. We simply choose to answer people who can communicate with maturity.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago 4
@pseudorandom331 No...I've seen enough . I'm done here,
enslaved2God 1 year ago
@thecultureoflife I suggest doing your homework before speaking untruths and false accusations.
"Protesting Christians believe in their "work" of salvation, "Self Proclaimed Salvation"."
FIrstly, "Protesting Christians" is as vague a label as it gets. But if you're referring to Reformed Protestants, no Reformed creed or biblically anchored Reformed Protestant believes in salvation through "works", or "self proclaimed salvation"...whatever that is.
enslaved2God 1 year ago 6
@thecultureoflife (cont.) Secondly, you say: "The Jews lived in the flesh, in the same way that Protestants who deny the power of the Holy Spirit to save through Baptism. This is in direct opposition to Scripture."
This is very telling. You mention Scripture? The Catholic church has twised and contradicted Scripture throughout its history. We aren't saved through baptism or any other ritual that merits, by obedience, the salvation of man. And you accuse Protestants of clinging to works?
enslaved2God 1 year ago 5
"a person is not saved by faith"
No? So the Apostle Paul got it wrong? "Rom 4:13-15 It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. (14) For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, (15) because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
c.f. Eph 2:8-10 I will give you MANY more if you desire.
boan000 2 years ago 7
@boan000 If a man has faith but has not works can this faith save him?
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 one must have living active faith and belief through these to personal actions can one only truly recieve Gods free gift... You are justifed by faith you are declared rightious... good works are evidence of spiritual conversion...if you have to work to show me your salvation then you arnt saved
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker "see how a person is Justified by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE" James 2:24 also are u saying that faith somehow earns grace do you not know that to each man god has given him is measure of faith and on to us was GIVEN the ability to believe in christ and to suffer for him? and i think St Paul says it best if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 1 Corinthians 13:2 faith alone = NOTHING
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 You admit that Gods gift of salvation is free, you cant earn it, you cant buy it, you cant bribe God... if you think that Gods free gift of salvation is now dependant apon your works then YOU reject the bible which states that salvation is free.... you cant receive Gods free gift of salvation with works thats an oxymoron isnt it...
yes we need faith - faith is the foundation... faith doesnt earn grace the way you mean it does like works...
salvation comes through faith -
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker And know one has eternal life untill they come before Jesus sitting on the throne of Judgement Matthew 25:31-46 where there "all the dead shall be Judged on there works" Rev 20:13
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@gtepp031387 wow, you are so wrong.... your answe shows me that you and the catholic church teaches a false gospel message.. i should point you in the right direction.. using the scriptures of course and not the lies of the catholic church... they have really led you astray..
no wonder you are confused about what being born again is... you should read the scriptures again...
MrLoudmouthspeaker 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker Salvation is by GRACE not by faith alone. "if i have faith to move mountains and have not love then i am nothing" 1 Corinthians 13:2 and "faith of itself, if not accompanied by works, is dead" James 2:17 faith alone = noithing and dead. Salvation is free it can not be earned it is by GRACE however we recieve "grace for grace" John 1:16 By continueing to hold on to the grace in which the LORD has freely given and not turning away with our free will(which is also a gift of..
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@MrLoudmouthspeaker GOD and one he doesnt take away) we recieve a greater installment of grace, but only by the grace we had already recieved is this grace added thus "grace for grace" John 1:16 is forfilled. This is explicitly told us by the apostal who says "which is our first installment of our inheritance towards redemtion" 1 Ephesians 14. Thus one remains in grace and recieves additional installments of grace untill one achieves "salvation through sanctification" 2 Thessalonians 2:13
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@boan000 "I am under the law of GOD" -yep Paul says it best
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@thecultureoflife
You say we are saved by obedience to faith. The Word of God says we are saved by grace thorugh faith.
ACruceSalus1 1 year ago 6
AMEN
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS - Good works are the fruits that grow out of being saved. They do not make you saved. An apple does not make its tree an apple tree, it was already an apple tree before any apples appeared. When you see the apples; however, you know what kind of tree it is. If a person is saved, he will shew forth good works because he has the spirit of Christ in him. The good works don't make him saved only the blood of Jesus can do that.
hoffabrando 2 years ago 5
@TimotheosCauvin "see how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone" James 2:24
gtepp031387 1 year ago
ah the legalists...i see...how about Ephesians 2:8 NO NO actually Romans 4: 16. that ones better. No wait. Lets do Romans 5:1 it is people like you that Paul tore up. And John Calvin because hes a rock star.
renovatio1988 2 years ago 3
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James 2:14-26 already refutes Faith Alone.
DavidVelezPerez 2 years ago
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Father Casey's sermon is absolute truth!!!!
WOW this is fantastic!!!!!!!!!! We need more hell fire preachers like him!!!!!!!!!!
cxjsn 2 years ago
John, I think by faith alone. Paul goes into quite a bit of detail. I think it's possible to explain the apparent contradiction between Romans and James. I think good works are fruit. So, like a branch cannot produce fruit if not the vine, I cannot if I'm not in Christ (ie. born again).
bonajab 2 years ago
Hi,
Let's try this: A person is not saved by works, but, will not be saved without them. Works are not an option, so, they are necessary for salvation, as the scripture says. Faith "Alone" Scripture "Alone" are not in Scripture.
John
fathersofmercy 2 years ago
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mannyfit75 2 years ago
@fathersofmercy "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Romans 5:4.
What more proof do you need?
savedbyjesusblood 1 year ago
@savedbyjesusblood you need to study Romans in context. Paul is talking to the Jews and the gentiles. Study and find out what is meant by "Works of the Law". Either that or just use a black magic marker and black out James 2:24 in your Bible.
johna654 1 year ago
@johna654 The law works to bring us to Christ because the law itself cannot save, it only brings wrath. Children of God are led by the Spirit. They have died to the law through Christ.
James is talking about proving your faith before men. It is not talking about being justified before God by works.
I guess you don't have a love of the truth and want something to boast about on that Day.
savedbyjesusblood 1 year ago
@savedbyjesusblood You believe in "Faith Alone & Scripture Alone" that's not in Scripture. You reject Baptism as the means to salvation. You perform a man made act of self salvation by proclaiming your own salvation through a sinners prayer, which is in itself a work, and found nowhere in Scripture. You reject Matt 16:19 and John chapter 6. Then, you accuse other people of boasting? Protesting Christians are amazing.
thecultureoflife 1 year ago
@thecultureoflife Romans says we are justified by faith in His blood. Baptism doesn't save anyone. I boast in the cross of Christ, His work, not my own, for I have none. Glory to God forever!
savedbyjesusblood 1 year ago
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@savedbyjesusblood Any one who is not born of water and spirit(baptism) can not enter the kingdom of heaven John 3:5
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@savedbyjesusblood So that Scripture, "Baptism doth now save us" just went right over your head, huh?
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@thecultureoflife You have some legitimate points but you have a horrible delivery.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@savedbyjesusblood u must learn the difference between works of the flesh, which men can boast of, and work of the spirit, in which no one can boast of themselves but can only boast of GOD. If one does not choose to do the works of the spirit thoe that one is strengthen by the spirit of GOD and given all the help he can need still rejects GOD it is of himself that has failed and there is no partiality becaues GOD through the spirit made them equall. This man has truley failed not becaues GOD
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@savedbyjesusblood did not give him the strength but becaues this one had turned his heart and thus his life into the flesh and works of the flesh. This one abondons the spirit and has given himself to a freely to sin thus becoming a child of the devil, not becaues of GOD! no but becaues of himself who recieved all he needed and was treated fairly, given the chance everyone else was, and still turned away.
gtepp031387 1 year ago
@fathersofmercy That answer is ignoring the "saved as by fire" Scripture, is it not?
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab You've not dealt honestly with Jesus' words. When He said the words you quote, He was talking to His Disciples. To suggest "abiding in the vine" equates with the new birth is terrible exegesis and outright dishonest with the text.
I suggest you repent for interpreting Scripture in light of what you believe and turn that horse around.
It's a great error to pretend that everything stems from birth. A child will die if he's not fed regardless of how healthy he was when born. cont1
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab cont2 Look again at Jesus' words and consider them for what they plainly say. The instruction, "abide in Me" necessarily carries the option of not abiding. This is not rocket science. The analogy to a plant is simple and straightforward. No Baptist will touch John 15:6 because they do the same that you did; they interpret the Bible in light of their opinions and when it doesn't fit, they ignore, twist or lie, as does everyone else who tries to make the Bible fit their theology.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab cont3 This is very unwise. This is what the Scripture calls unbelief and it definitely is something for which you need to repent. "Paul goes into quite a bit of detail" and your explanation is good that works are fruit but you don't seem to understand that when you find a difficult Scripture (like John 15:6 [and MANY others]) you should take those to the Lord and ask Him for understanding. Is John 10:27 still in your Bible? Must you ask a man what it means? Can God reveal truth?
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab cont4 John shows himself a Catholic by his emphasis on works and failure to see any revelation beyond that, but nevertheless, he tells the truth about the only time "faith alone" is in Scripture, it says that faith is dead. He's content to be Catholic and let his superiors tell him what to believe and He'll answer to God for that, but nevertheless, the Scriptures give far more emphasis to works than Baptists or fundamentalists will honestly admit. Romans 14:23 says very clearly and
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab cont5 PLAINLY that "...whatsoever is not of faith is sin." This should be a major clue to you that "faith for the new birth" is like giving birth to a natural baby and then walking away rejoicing -- and pretending that baby will survive and flourish without the necessities of life. The Baptists seem to be so stupid. They act like, talk like and preach like everything happened the moment a person was born again. One has to have help to be so stupid. Neither Scripture nor life support
911dispatcher 9 months ago
@bonajab cont6 such nonsense. (By "life," I mean the fact that the natural is a picture of the spiritual) An honest evaluation of Scripture is practically non-existent because denominational people feel compelled to believe what they're told (as least to some extent) and you can't get objectivity from a Baptist. They are well known across the denominations for "knowing they're right and being proud of it" when they have not only just as many, but often, MORE biases than their counterparts.
911dispatcher 9 months ago
Romans and James appear to contradict. I think we are saved unto good works. I don't think someone who is not born again can please God. He saved me when I was dead in my sin. Only after He made me "in Him" did I want, or have the ability, to do good.
bonajab 2 years ago
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Hi,
I agree! (I'm not a Father of Mercy, I produce their videos) So, do you think that you are saved by "Faith Alone" or not?
John
fathersofmercy 2 years ago
Faith alone. The 5 solas hold.
PeripheralMan 2 years ago 6
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Amen!
jwmcmac 3 years ago