RE: Building drive by "being" a bad dog trainer

[manatts5]

Any suggestions on how to get a ball crazy Border Collie to want to tug? We do flyball, but once she gets the ball she has no interest in tugging.

[freeshapingjunkey]

@manatts5

Hi :)

have you tryed to use different tug toys? real fur will trigger most dogs to want to tug with you. if your dog likes tennis balls you can attatch a thic thread throug it by making a hole in the ball. maby your dog is picky ....and prefer a specific toy, ttry different toys and se if it make a difference!

If the problem is not in the actual toy, but in motivation...i would pretend as i love tha toy as mutch as i want my dog to engage in it! throw it round, shake it...and so on

[freeshapingjunkey]

And if that doesnt help,...i would not have a tennis ball near when i try to tug..your BC can be to obsessed with the ball...i recomend a game called 1-2-3-game...that is for building  motivation for tugging ..try google it§ good luck :D

[pitbull7263]

help me with my dog please

[freeshapingjunkey]

@pitbull7263

[freeshapingjunkey]

@pitbull7263

somthing special ?  :)

[MaribelLopez425]

Be careful, don't pull him that high.

[jarahdawg]

I liked it! My trainer has helped me turn my dog into a tugging dog by having me tug and play as hard as possible. She said that if I didn't feel like I was going to vomit, I wasn't playing hard enough. :) It's not so dissimilar to what you're doing. My girl definitely has more enthusiasm for tugging and for play in general. Good on ya!

[ClickerDogs]

What fun, you have done a great job creating a driven dog that loves to play. It is obvious your dog is not worried of fearful -- why would he be? You have created a game that he loves!

[freeshapingjunkey]

@ClickerDogs Thanks alot Susan ;O) The more im into the game the more intens the dog gets. I want the toy! No! i WANT the toy ! its miiiine.... hahaha

[ferretshoes]

great video. I would suggest that those commenters who take issue research the context of this video (agility trainer Susan Garret) for better perspective of what is going on. Sure, she looks hopping mad, but that IS the point (see the video that this is a response to). This is an example of excellent stimulus control, particularly on the drop and especially considering the intensity of the tugging. Keep up the good work!!

[transmanAaron]

Interesting. In the bitesport world, growling is seen as insecurity. I wonder if the dog is insecure, or if its a breed trait.

[freeshapingjunkey]

well this lovely boy simply LOVES his toy, and the growling thing does mean he really really wants it. and thats okay with me. If he accidently ore on purpos bite be=end of the game,

This dog is nether insecure ore aggressive. You would know what im doing if your into clickertraining and susan garret. se her video building drive by being a bad dog trainer,

this video is a respons to hers.

[freeshapingjunkey]

@transmanAaron

[freeshapingjunkey]

well this lovely boy simply LOVES his toy, and the growling thing does mean he really really wants it. and thats okay with me. If he accidently ore on purpos bite be=end of the game,

This dog is nether insecure ore aggressive. You would know what im doing if your into clickertraining and susan garret. se her video building drive by being a bad dog trainer,

this video is a respons to hers.

[transmanAaron]

@freeshapingjunkey I'm very much an advocate of marker training. I'm not sure what that has to do with the growling, however. A dog can have plenty of drive without growling.

I found your vid through Susan's. I noticed her dog growled a good deal as well, so I suppose I'll have to chalk it up to a breed trait, rather than insecurity.

[crysania4]

@transmanAaron It's a play growl. You cannot possibly tell me you've NEVER seen a dog growl in play before?

[VTECsqznN2O]

don't see what the negative comments are about. NIce dog you have there :)

[freeshapingjunkey]

thanks! he loves his toy!

[audebutcielle]

She's a total IDIOT. She gives her dog his toy, but NEVER gets it back. She just lets go of the toy and lets the dog keep it. Absolutely NO CONTROL of her dog. Just wait until she gets her dog in public with this toy around other dogs! Her dog will end up dead from acting out of control around other dogs who will put this dog in its place.

[TheDaniFabulous]

You obviously don't understand what's going on and what this video is intended for.

[freeshapingjunkey]

thanks for the support

[ninjakittyinmypants]

@audebutcielle I suggest you go learn something about dog training, (Eg. How protection dogs are trained, how agility dogs are trained) and then come back and reconsider your comment.

[UltimateDQ]

@audebutcielle She gets it back three times in the first minute and ten seconds. And one more time after that.

[NormyPie]

@audebutcielle and @rayciminoI thought she had plenty of control which she demonstrated as the dog took and dropped the toy on command, and she reinforced this before she taught 'building drive' so the dog could really enjoy the game. The growling is part of the dog's natural predatory behaviour, which is exactly what a tug game is supposed to emulate - to allow it to behave like a dog in a safe and controlled way. Also, she did reference the video to which this is a video response.

[crysania4]

@audebutcielle This shows a distinct lack of understanding of what's going on here. First of all, why must she get the toy back? The idea that the dog will be "dominant" because it gets the toy has been debunked time and time again. This is a drive building game. I do this too (including letting the toy go) and my dog does not guard toys from anyone. Tug is a game of working together, not a game of one being "dominant" over the other.

[raycimino]

What a numpty, please ignore any 'message' in this.

[freeshapingjunkey]

sorry,but can you explane your comment ...?

[raycimino]

The idea of wanting to "Build Drive" in a border collie is strange, as they have so much innately.

From a pet dog point of view I would not want anyone copying you - you have quite a well trained dog, but not in a way that sets any kind of positive example. Certainly not something to put up on you tube without any information or rider, quite irresponsible.

Thats the explaination in a nutshell.