i got a very similar helicopter to that and you know wat.. i cant do a thing with it... i found the power to take off gets stuck and it jus flies off ... i always panic cos im not in control of it... first flight it got stuck in a tree and im scared to use it inside... i tried addin a lil wieght to it too but didnt seem to help :(
PLEASE DONT READ THIS BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS.IN THE NEARE ST FRIDAY U WILL BE KISSED BY UR LOVER .TOMORROW WILL BE THE BEST DAY OF UR LIFE . HOWEVER IF U DONT POST THIS TO AT LEAST 3 VIDEOS U WILL DIE WITH IN 2 DAYS . THIS IS SO SCARY . NOW THAT U STARTED READING THIS DONT STOP. IF U POST THIS COMMENT TO AT LEAST 5 VIDEOS WHEN DONE PRESS F6 AND UR LOVERS NAME WILL APPEAR IN THE SCREEN WITH BIG LETTERS . THIS IS SCARY BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS
Hey Dave i Was Wondering Would You be Able to Make a Video Abaut Honey Bee V2 i Yust Ordered it Baut 5 Mins Ago. And if You Would be Able to Show me Some Cheap Mods. i Cant Wait to See it
dude i got 1 just like that but it looks different but i let me r/c car carry it and then try and take off at full speed IT WORKED and the car's max speed is about 78.29km/h
The seller, a chinese wharehouse in China, is selling a chopper with dangerous electronics that if not fully understood, may seriously injur the pilot or or others watching! They want your money! nothing else and will not back up your' purchase!!!
I have one of the Syma MICRO CH-47 Chinook. But it has trouble. When I take off it doesn't get very high and it goes forward automatically. when I press the b trim button it doesn't work. I know I need to replace something. But what? also what is the difference between this and the Emax Mini Chinook, the S022 Army Chinook 3CH Electric RTF RC and the Coast Guard Chinook 2CH Electric RTF RC ? there all Chinooks.
I own an EMAX Mini Chinook Tandem Transporter. I am instrested in buying a Syma Micro CH-47 Chinook , between the two which one do you think is better for a person like myself that's just begining the hobby. I would appreciate your reply. Thank you
wow im 12 and i can fly a chinook better than you budie, fixed controller or not, why the hellz would it mater what side yur throtle ajuster . i mean really i have the same helicopter and i didnt need to fix the whole freakin' thing, ive landed my heli every where, fan blades, on a big H and all my friends family football teammates would say i fly better and im 12 years old. Where did i get all my EXP. well on the flight sim, and my dad, hes a pilot that gets paid to fly so,yeah beet me sucker
@Roxas58d sorry to say... but shut the fuck up you little prick no one gives a shit about you.. your father probably gives out hand jobs for a job and you get beated everyday by your adopting parents.
Question... Rather than modifying the transmitter as you did could you have just unplugged the the "pots" from the board and switched them. i mean it looked like the have the same connector, is there a paticular reason you did not go that route? i am just curious. GREAT VIDS - thanks!
I have seen you rate and fly many smaller rc helicopters such as this one but which would you reccomend for just plain old fun around the house such as the Military Hughes 300 Radio Controlled RC Helicopter w/ Lights. It honestly looks like fun to fly around and i was just wondering which do you prefer. Thanks man.
I hate to rain on your parade, but congratulations to mutilating your radio! That could have been done without any drilling. Many of these have the same throttle ratchet on both sides even. My solution is to solder the wires to the opposite pots.
Plus if the maker is respectable, you could have ordered the proper Mode 2 controller for even less trouble.
Please don't take this personal, I too make insane mods when in the mood.
I would have done that but the wires would not reach and I could not really see how to get the gimbals apart. So I kept it simple and had it done in no time. There are many ways to cut a pizza, and this worked for me. Thanks.
I'm pretty new to helicopters and I'm contemplating getting a new heli either a 4 channel fixed pitch or a begginer 6 channel because i've gotten fairly good at my 4 channel co-axial so i want to get a new heli which do you think is the better choice???
well it looks like a 4 channel i figured most 3's were up down and left and right n forwards backwards this one turns from left to right n does side to side doesnt it?
3 channel helis do not have cyclic head steering as this does. It just has no left right cyclic. Yaw is the channel used for spinning or turning with tail rotor ,but not for steering it in flight.
right now its 28 dollars on it ends in 2 day or three days from today and one thing i dont like about the helicopter is that the plastic weight bar i broke the one from my reflex and im afraid of braking it if i get it
Great video as always Dave. My girlfriend is bugging me to get one of those now for her to learn on lol.... Might just do it too. Is that an F-16 kit I see in the background???????? 5/5
Yes, it is. I will fly it this week and have a video up on it soon. There is no landing gear, so I want some grass to land on. The ground is still frozen here, so am chomping at the bit too.
Yeah what a sweet looking heli dave and the price is so cheap,i love it when you do the how to videos too dave as those sort of things stick in my head which is a good thing because you never know when you might need that idea,so 5* as always with your video's my friend.
Nice Vid dave, im surprised just how well that flew, the gap between real model aircraft and toys is definitely getting smaller smaller.
I can sort of see why they put the rudder on the right stick, its like some of my 3 channel airplanes when they do not have ailerons they put the rudder on the right stick, the difference is of course in an aeroplane the rudder induces roll in a plane with dihedral so it does not work as well on a heli where it just causes yaw.
Thanks. Yes, well the radio is on 49 MHZ, so Binding is out. That would be nice for sure. I guess it was worth it, as only took an hour or so to fix the tx, so now I can get hours of fun, instead of crashing cause I forgot which stick did what in a panic. LOL.
I try to see if things can work, so it is fun to do that too. Thanks for the compliments.
that guy has alot of helicopters and planes.
FrankieBananaz 7 months ago
would you recommend this os the micro ch-47 in your other video?
the micro is 23 with free postage on ebay where as this is hard to find, keep that in mind. Which do you think flies better?
RedRampagee 7 months ago
thank!!
raweerod 9 months ago
I think there might be a little confusion here between "groove" and "enormous hole".
jackcrazeanim 9 months ago
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DulferCarter 9 months ago
i got a very similar helicopter to that and you know wat.. i cant do a thing with it... i found the power to take off gets stuck and it jus flies off ... i always panic cos im not in control of it... first flight it got stuck in a tree and im scared to use it inside... i tried addin a lil wieght to it too but didnt seem to help :(
bellonas 10 months ago
'Intelligentized' Good Lord -.-
AceFaceJarv 10 months ago
man u r cool if it was my dad he would break it in 3 min's
fwc2010 11 months ago
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ussenterpriseify 11 months ago
this is hobby class right??
TheFolder5000 1 year ago
i want one
graham8408 1 year ago
10:55 lol he's sure is happy.
leafvillage0001 1 year ago
skip to 10:00 for real flight thumbs up if this was easier
MrPanduhz 1 year ago
haha on the box it says "omnidirectional FIGHT" LOL
derniko1992 1 year ago
your wife knows?
blu3sh4dow4u 1 year ago
i have a 29 cm long rc chinook
il2sturmovikfb 1 year ago
My mom would kick my ass if she caught me doing that indoors :P
GeileBever 1 year ago
Forget the helicopter... tell me about the LAMP!
victrolux 1 year ago
ummm e max is a traxxas truck.......
98Ps3lover 1 year ago
oooo
jmkbre 1 year ago
"the right stick are control the rudder"
it what actually does on 3 channel helicopter, you are 4&6 channel flyer, why you buy this? 3 channel is for beginner anyway
Shiroblack 1 year ago
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juroxzg3 1 year ago
dude i got 1 just like that but it looks different but i let me r/c car carry it and then try and take off at full speed IT WORKED and the car's max speed is about 78.29km/h
TheLogitech99 1 year ago
why so slow
pdiaz01 1 year ago
i used to be able to take off on a dvd go around the room and land on a other dvd
CaptinCam0 1 year ago
rthis heli is a ch 47. i prefer the blade mcx tandem rescue, which is a ch 46
SQUIRALBOY43 1 year ago
WE really need an instuction class on how your gonna fly that thing SWEET!!! JK wow like we don't know how ti fly one of those!
ezeismint 1 year ago
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BluesGuitares 1 year ago
You got awesome videos
kolibrimanda 1 year ago
how many channels is that?
aldudio 1 year ago
@aldudio over 9000
anonymous4209 1 year ago
yaa youre videoss are so cool
gH0sT122 1 year ago
very cool, real good video, thanks!
alexrachwal 1 year ago
I have one of the Syma MICRO CH-47 Chinook. But it has trouble. When I take off it doesn't get very high and it goes forward automatically. when I press the b trim button it doesn't work. I know I need to replace something. But what? also what is the difference between this and the Emax Mini Chinook, the S022 Army Chinook 3CH Electric RTF RC and the Coast Guard Chinook 2CH Electric RTF RC ? there all Chinooks.
Coolshows101 1 year ago
can you go fishing with this?
1outdooradventures2 1 year ago
Dual coaxials? seriously?
TheBraddigan 1 year ago
the painting is a lil crooked
01malibutony 1 year ago
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this plane sux
BILLYTALENTMAN 2 years ago
why?
dvdman18 2 years ago
You have cool videos!! :)
bearfear98 2 years ago 8
I own an EMAX Mini Chinook Tandem Transporter. I am instrested in buying a Syma Micro CH-47 Chinook , between the two which one do you think is better for a person like myself that's just begining the hobby. I would appreciate your reply. Thank you
zztopp999 2 years ago
disipointing because im one of your usual viewers
Roxas58d 2 years ago
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wow im 12 and i can fly a chinook better than you budie, fixed controller or not, why the hellz would it mater what side yur throtle ajuster . i mean really i have the same helicopter and i didnt need to fix the whole freakin' thing, ive landed my heli every where, fan blades, on a big H and all my friends family football teammates would say i fly better and im 12 years old. Where did i get all my EXP. well on the flight sim, and my dad, hes a pilot that gets paid to fly so,yeah beet me sucker
Roxas58d 2 years ago
@Roxas58d sorry to say... but shut the fuck up you little prick no one gives a shit about you.. your father probably gives out hand jobs for a job and you get beated everyday by your adopting parents.
zboardcon 2 years ago
You just sank down to his level
johnbevington 2 years ago 3
Very nice. Any chance you would do a flight review of the Double Horse 3CH Chinook? I think it holds its weight against the Twister Skylift.
rmsecor 2 years ago
add a joy stick! haha great video!
Ericsimagination 2 years ago
please post a video how you made your eletcric screwdriver
iphone1784 2 years ago
does it have the plastic body or foam? I hate the foam copters they piss me off
skinnywhop87 2 years ago
wy didnt u just buy a 4 channel transmitter with the reqired MHz ? i mean that would be alot easyer, i no u save money but, u couldve ruind it
zotter7 2 years ago
so is miliamp the capcity of the batterie pack? and then volts is like the the size r somethin? please anyone who knows 4 sure reply.
Cunninghamn8r 2 years ago 2
thats a big trailer youve got.
GUARDSMAN24488 2 years ago 2
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GUARDSMAN24488 2 years ago
how do i trim X-TWIN training plane
redgaridose 2 years ago
is this the same size as the Syma S022 Big CH-47 Chinook 3 Channel RC Helicopter
cameroonie09 2 years ago
heh heh heh where can i find one of these with a mini camra
redgaridose 2 years ago
from maplins perv only joking.lol
Zacsampson 2 years ago
what a kool gadget... what a remarkable modification!!
rcplanetim53 2 years ago
Question... Rather than modifying the transmitter as you did could you have just unplugged the the "pots" from the board and switched them. i mean it looked like the have the same connector, is there a paticular reason you did not go that route? i am just curious. GREAT VIDS - thanks!
DJRockinRob 2 years ago
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that thing is retarded
arbiter410 2 years ago
like your work... try the airhogs twin thunder works great out of the box
saberdryver 2 years ago 2
I'm getting the same helicopter, in a different color though, hope its good!
Foodfreaks 2 years ago
yeah that is pretty wierd on my sim(havent bought a good plane yet) it does have the turning on the throttle stick
rockonmyfriend 2 years ago
You mean yawing? that is right, it should be on the throttle stick to progress to bigger helis.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago 3
Just go syma.....:)
wannafly1 2 years ago
do not use syma helis the dragonfly sucks trim never works now very responsive
rockonmyfriend 2 years ago
thats cool i have gagits as well we never grew up
vivitar45 2 years ago
does red letter in the background are annoying me =)
wowpaladin10 2 years ago
Comaparably,I think the mCX should be better for beginner RC heli flyers right?
8614007 2 years ago
Exactly.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
you heard of the air hogs hornet jet?
gtafan442 2 years ago
Since I never flied a 4ch I would never do the tx mod. I'm used to that my YAW is on the right, cause it's like this on both 2ch helis and 3ch helis.
raicho20 2 years ago
i might get one of thoes... lol
jetboy068 2 years ago
I have seen you rate and fly many smaller rc helicopters such as this one but which would you reccomend for just plain old fun around the house such as the Military Hughes 300 Radio Controlled RC Helicopter w/ Lights. It honestly looks like fun to fly around and i was just wondering which do you prefer. Thanks man.
seth364 2 years ago
I like the Micro one better to tell you the truth. see my vid.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
how much is the helicopter in the video Emax Mini Chinook and TX mods..
crossmotto 2 years ago
I hate to rain on your parade, but congratulations to mutilating your radio! That could have been done without any drilling. Many of these have the same throttle ratchet on both sides even. My solution is to solder the wires to the opposite pots.
Plus if the maker is respectable, you could have ordered the proper Mode 2 controller for even less trouble.
Please don't take this personal, I too make insane mods when in the mood.
ZdenekJindra 2 years ago
I would have done that but the wires would not reach and I could not really see how to get the gimbals apart. So I kept it simple and had it done in no time. There are many ways to cut a pizza, and this worked for me. Thanks.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
can i have your autograph sir?
dangerousprimate 2 years ago
LOL.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
you gust ajust the heli with the nobs right?
yura54312 2 years ago
The sticks on the transmitter. There are no knobs.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
did u make that electric screwdriver? if you did man! thats cleaver and awsome lol
killerlad9 2 years ago
Yes I did. I made a video showing how I did it. Check it out and thanks for the kind words.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
i just orederd one of those do all the chargers breack like that, what kind should i buy?
connor2799 2 years ago
I never had a charger fail. Lets see if yours works before buying anything. Good luck
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
xheli is awesome i love that sight.
1)do you always fly 4 channels???
2)do you fly any 6 channels???
I'm pretty new to helicopters and I'm contemplating getting a new heli either a 4 channel fixed pitch or a begginer 6 channel because i've gotten fairly good at my 4 channel co-axial so i want to get a new heli which do you think is the better choice???
BaseballBack87 2 years ago
I appreciate your frustration with looking for the proper helicopter for you.
I say "Learn on a VW and if you never crash it, then get the Porsche and read my 9 heli flying tips, if you got em".
Those Trex's, Belt CPs, Blade 400s HBKings or other 3d helis are definitely not a beginners helis.
Get something that you can learn on like an MCX or Blazing Star from Xheli. In the long run, you will save more time and money.
I fly them all and gas too. See my other vids. Good luck.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
so its a 3 channel right?:O
kalmathegratebassist 2 years ago
Yes.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
You are really the master may change voluntarily swing control did not know that you live in there?
s70cs70c 2 years ago
Thank you.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
were are you get that
maahhssaa 3 years ago
Xheli. See the link in the description box.
NightFlyyer 2 years ago
5 STAR thank you for this video. 4:45 helped out alot!
visatrade240z 3 years ago
Thanks very much.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Thanks. I like to too.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Xheli in the link, however I have not crashed it yet, so dont know for sure. These blades look stronger than most anyway.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
lol "Cute little bugger" Great Video!!
KiIIerMS 3 years ago
thanks kindly.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Hey dave, i'm going to get the heli-max axe cp v3. It looks really good, and nice video!
SethstonFlyer 3 years ago
Thanks. Good luck with your CP
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Nice vid Dave. Very informative.
moolikeacow2 3 years ago
Thanks kindly.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
wow its very stable
dick110590 3 years ago
Yep a good one.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
yeah i did see it fast slick and even has the cart wheel ability lol did you practice long to do that ha kidding
exiledconnections 3 years ago
LOL
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
ahh i gotcha still tho its on my list of helicopters to get oh and i love that f16 thats pretty slick
exiledconnections 3 years ago
Haha. Thanks Sir. You saw my F-16 video, I assume. Slick and FAAAST!
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
well it looks like a 4 channel i figured most 3's were up down and left and right n forwards backwards this one turns from left to right n does side to side doesnt it?
exiledconnections 3 years ago
3 channel helis do not have cyclic head steering as this does. It just has no left right cyclic. Yaw is the channel used for spinning or turning with tail rotor ,but not for steering it in flight.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
it says its 3 channel but from the looks on the vid its a 4 channel whitch is it lol
exiledconnections 3 years ago
It is 3 channel, but can be controlled like a 4 channel almost....
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
right now its 28 dollars on it ends in 2 day or three days from today and one thing i dont like about the helicopter is that the plastic weight bar i broke the one from my reflex and im afraid of braking it if i get it
cradlepan123 3 years ago
Its metal on this one. Also, if you dont crash, you wont break it. LOL.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Lol
I remember thinking about getting that heli
yesterday.
then today you put a video of it up!
oddball650 3 years ago
WOW.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
man your helis are very nice! congratulations! are u colecctionist?
morajuice93 3 years ago
No, Not enough people have voted or watched the video yet to make any producers stand up, but negotiations are forthcoming.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
I like how your not afraid to tare apart anything. And then change it.
Very cool.
HobbySuperFreak 3 years ago
Haha. Thanks. Well you never know if you don't try. LOL
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
For the controller modding, this is what exactly I did but i changed mine to mode 1
yoshicarats 3 years ago
Great.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
nice mods on the controller
jbs127845 3 years ago
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Thanks much.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
sweet hope you like it dave :]
HollyBrosinc 3 years ago
Thanks. I do.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
I know what it is now, is a copy of a walkera remote!
SgtHamster45 3 years ago
They are all made by the same people.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
thank you sir
SharinganLaz 3 years ago
Your welcome, sir.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Thanks Dave...I think that was the tip I saw in another video I asked about!!! Your're the GURU!
Mike
skiboyscuba 3 years ago
Haha. Thanks kindly.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
great tips sir. thanx for sharing.
kapitanC 3 years ago
Thank you and your welcome.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
nice heli
goskoo04 3 years ago
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
seems to be alot better than those air hogs toys that cost just as much
GreenAce92 3 years ago
Yes.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
can't wait for the f-16 i was looking at it on the nitroplanes website
UKrocketeer 3 years ago
yeah my dad special ordered it and the dx6i and the transmitter is here but the airplane isn't
rcpro31 3 years ago
Dave you always know how to tweak something to make it better. 5/5 nice video.
FlyingWing92 3 years ago
I try. Thanks kindly.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Great video as always Dave. My girlfriend is bugging me to get one of those now for her to learn on lol.... Might just do it too. Is that an F-16 kit I see in the background???????? 5/5
ssrc30 3 years ago
yeah i saw that too, my dad isn't really into airplanes but when he saw that he got out his credit card
rcpro31 3 years ago
LOL It is nice for sure, and I cant wait to get it in the air.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Yes, it is. I will fly it this week and have a video up on it soon. There is no landing gear, so I want some grass to land on. The ground is still frozen here, so am chomping at the bit too.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
that transmitter looks familiar
SgtHamster45 3 years ago
Yes, I have over 60 transmitters, and they all do look familiar.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Yeah what a sweet looking heli dave and the price is so cheap,i love it when you do the how to videos too dave as those sort of things stick in my head which is a good thing because you never know when you might need that idea,so 5* as always with your video's my friend.
startazz 3 years ago
Thanks kindly. I appreciate your comments too.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
keep it up dave. i like how you modified the tx.
scott
junglist278 3 years ago
Thanks very much.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Nice Vid dave, im surprised just how well that flew, the gap between real model aircraft and toys is definitely getting smaller smaller.
I can sort of see why they put the rudder on the right stick, its like some of my 3 channel airplanes when they do not have ailerons they put the rudder on the right stick, the difference is of course in an aeroplane the rudder induces roll in a plane with dihedral so it does not work as well on a heli where it just causes yaw.
Looks a lot of fun!
Lee.
ElroyHarvey 3 years ago
Thanks kindly, Lee.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
I want one. Haha lol
5 Stars
helicopterkid1996 3 years ago
Go for it. Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
i'd like to echo vetterman008's comment--great idea with the rubber bands.
pa6xylly 3 years ago
Thank you too, too, too, too......
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
Dave, cool idea using the rubber bands!
vetterman008 3 years ago
Thanks much.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
cute heli, some work on the transmitter though, would be easier if you could bind with another TX (if possible of course
) but hey, this makes it interesting for the handyman, again nice job Dave !
beverke7 3 years ago
Thanks. Yes, well the radio is on 49 MHZ, so Binding is out. That would be nice for sure. I guess it was worth it, as only took an hour or so to fix the tx, so now I can get hours of fun, instead of crashing cause I forgot which stick did what in a panic. LOL.
I try to see if things can work, so it is fun to do that too. Thanks for the compliments.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
PS: this likes than skylift :s
sdrfgvrfgvsfravgdsvS 3 years ago
Yeah, CH47s, do look alike. LOL.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
awesome
sdrfgvrfgvsfravgdsvS 3 years ago
Thanks.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
it looks like a walkera transmitter.
charliehawtin 3 years ago
Yes, they all in bed together over there and successfully too, it seems.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
you just make it look so damn easy...
azh01e 3 years ago
Thanks kindly.
NightFlyyer 3 years ago
sounds fun :p
erasmo559 3 years ago
cool i might get one
30GB 3 years ago