THANK YOU JACOB , THIS IS SO WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS , BEING GAY OR BI IS FINE !!!!! IT IS GOOD . IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD !!!!! PLEASE IF YOU THINK YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH ONE OF THESE SICK PROGRAMS DON'T , COMING TO TERMS WITH YOURSELF IT THE BEST WAY TO LIVE , BE PROUD TO BE YOURSELF !!!! IT GETS BETTER PEACE
When I was younger I went to a psychiatrist who said that hypnotherapy could change ny sexuality. I underwent this and it did no good. You are what you are. Tell a bird not to fly or a snake not to bite and see what their response would be if they could talk.
I'm not gay, but I've never had a problem with homosexuality. When I was a child I was forced to memorize the phalms and repeat them in front of the entire church; I hated it. When I was there I met Ki, a boy a few years older than me, and he told me he "liked other boys". His parents forced him to go to church every Sunday and Wednesday to "fix him". Do you know how the church tried to fix him? The pastor beat him with the bible after every sermon. He beat me too, because I tried to help Ki.
@SillyGayBoy Ki was very quiet and antisocial. Neither of us liked the pastor because he was "creepy", obviously in more ways than one... Ki used to sit in the corner during Sunday school alone. It took forever to get him to open up to me. Even after we became friends and he told me he liked boys, I never knew that the pastor was beating him. We both hated church, but I never knew his reason was more valid than mine. I walked into the pastor's office one day and saw it. I grabbed his arm, but...
@SillyGayBoy I was just a little girl at the time, and the pastor was tall, really tall. He actually picked me up and threw me across his office. I guess the door was supposed to be locked, so he locked it. When I asked why he was hitting Ki, he said it was because God needed to beat the gay out of him. I said that I thought Ki was fine the way he was. Unfortunately, I had just told the pastor that I knew Ki was gay, so he beat me too, calling me a "gay instigator". I was 10, Ki was 13.
@SillyGayBoy The sad thing is... after it all happened, Ki apologised to me. He said he "dragged me into it". Thinking back on it, it still makes me cry. The church made him feel so guilty about being gay, like everything wrong in the world was his fault. After that day, everything made sense, why he never spoke to anyone and why he always wore long clothes, even if it was sweltering. I wanted to tell his parents but he said they knew... I don't know if he got the same treatment at home...
@SillyGayBoy But I told my mother. She didn't believe me. Even after I showed her my bruises, she figured I just got hurt during succor. After that, the pastor beat both Ki and myself after every sermon. I hated that pastor.... You have no idea how much I wanted him to die.... Anyway, sorry this is becoming so long. Eventually I told my teacher, whom I loved, and he got the police involved. I was only ten and I still don't know if what I did was right, but after that...
@SillyGayBoy The pastor was excommunicated from the church, but I don't think he was arrested... Ki and I were so happy and we thought we were in the clearing. For a while we were, until one day after church his parents came up and told me they didn't want me playing with him anymore. I don't think the cops even spoke to his parents... I didn't put that together until later. Even so, adults weren't allowed in the Sunday school section, so we still played together.
@SillyGayBoy Sadly... A few weeks after the nightmarish incident, Ki came to church looking extremely dejected. He told me that his family was switching churches and that they were planning on moving. I was devastated and I didn't trust his parents, so I begged him to stay. I told him my family would adopt him... just childish dreams, I guess. That goodbye... was so hard... I haven't seen Ki since. I haven't heard from him... I don't know where he is... I hope no one ever has to suffer like him.
@kirikakirikakirika Wow well I'm glad you guys got him in trouble even if the police didn't do enough. Sorry you guys had to say good bye it sounds like paranoia on the parents end and running away from problems. Your profile says your from Canada? I thought they were very gay accepting? Don't worry about posts being long I love to chat and you are a good writer. I'm glad you were a good friend to him and sorry that happened to both of you. Good job with telling the right person about it.
@SillyGayBoy Thank you. I've always been confused about that incident; I've always wondered if I couldn't have done more. Canada is very gay accepting, we're accepting in general, but church is still church and people are still people... There are haters everywhere. Also, this was in the 1990's, and homosexuality was only on the verge of being acceptable. It seems Ki and I were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is nice, though, that things have changed so much.
when you go to a church looking to get your problems fixed, you find fake shiney magical hypocritical unchrist like people that are prejudice and want you for various reasons, basically if you want to just fix a problem, satan comes in and takes advantage of your heart, if you want to be saved, look for jesus, if you want a fix, look for jesus..don't " i want to find jesus so he can fix my amputated leg" when it should be" i want to know jesus, because he is above everything else"
This is serious stuff and I feel for these people. It's so much more to it than just going to group sessions or learning behavioral practices. Nothing is gona change if you don't have a real honest to goodness relationship with God and his Son Jesus Christ. I know I'm spewing what the Church has said for decades and It's so "out of touch" with issues of sexuality that it's hard to ignore all of that and take this seriously on having a personal relationship with the Creator; but we MUST try.
I think we should always strive to have real, personal relationship with Jesus Christ: it is the only way really to true happiness. Jesus makes me feel wonderful and blessed, and that is really all that matters to me right now
Exactly; and I won't lie: I have dealt with, and am dealing with, sexual attraction to other males :(
however, i've chosen simply not to decide my orientation right now; I'm only 19, and I have my entire life to figure out my feelings. I only want what God would want for me
@Quinton111100 I was raped by my Stepfather when I was about 14 years old and lets just say I NEVER trusted a man after that and wondered when I got a little older If I might be a lesbian. I developed my relaionship with God cause I really needed HELP to say the least! and it took time and prayers and tears and PATIENCE but I ended up happily married to an awesome patient man who had to deal with a pychologically frigid wife for a few years there so... believe me I know where you're coming from
@Quinton111100 The point is that I somehow KNOW my life would have been different had I not really stayed close to God and people who loved God as well (that helped a little) essentially I prayed that I "wouldn't" be gay not that I'm judging or anything, I just didn't want that for myself; but I certainly understand If someone else does and I don't condemn them in the least because I understand and I KNOW God does too...I know it; It's "GOD" ok not just some "human" that thinks like we do.
The coughing isn't really a cough. I do the same thing when something there is really hard to talk about. He's trying to hold back heavy emotions. Either anger or sadness. When I came to my dad I did the same thing to try and prevent myself from crying or hitting an emotional rock bottom.
dont worry jacob god accepts you for who you are,dont let any1 say what god will do,because that person cant tell as he is not god,god love gays!i know that and im a christian.
I was not involved with an ex-gay group but when I came out in '86 my family told me that they never wanted to see me again. I've been with my man - the most amazing, wonderful guy in the world! - for 20+ years and my mother just met him for the first time about two months ago!! I guess what I want people to know is that parents and family can change. Sometimes it takes longer for others.
It amazes me that in 2009 people still care about same-sex attraction. Honestly...it's no big deal!
I tried therapy, fasting (21, 18, 14 days, etc), praying, just about everything but electro-shock therapy to change from gay to straight....I did this for years......and you know what?......I'm still gay. I'm thankful to see that God LOVES ME JUST THE WAY I AM. It absolutely amazes me how the simple truths of the Bible (i.e. love, forgiveness, etc.) get twisted around. Let's face it....the angry homophobics have made their god into their own image.....angry!!! Love Rules, not hate!!!
I guess if you use a tazer of a person enough they'll believe anthing... This place is such a lie, you can't change anything any more than a straight person can change to be gay...
There's a difference between changing orientation and changing behavior... There is no shame in who you are only what you do...
Such a shame that a beautiful, gentle gay man like Jacob was induced to endure this. The Fundies couldn''t stand the lovely person that he was and tried to destroy him. Thankfully, they didn't succeed.
James Dobson is one of the worst excuses for a human being alive today.
Thank you to Jacob for courageously telling his story. I want to say I have a good friend from Iowa who came out to his folks and they made him talk to a minister, get a bunch of medical tests, go to a psychiatrist.... and when he "refused to give up the homosexual lifestyle" they totally cut him off. He put himself through college while estranged from his parents, but gradually they have been reunited and got beyond "dont ask don't tell" to being able to accept him for who he is.
Why is it ok for a woman to swallow her husbands sperm. The definition of sodomy would include this. Anything other than coitus is sodomy....how do you like them apples homophobes? Eat out your wife and that falls under the definition of sodomy. I never thought that this nonsense would be going on in the year 2008 and soon 2009. Religion started to die out 40 years ago but the religious lobbiests did not want to lose their occupations and incomes.
The reality of the commonness of same sex attraction has to be accepted by the general public. There are varied degrees of same sex attraction. It is part of the continuem of infinite variety of the human sexual experience. What do homophobes have to say to hermaphrodites....? Most of them are too ignorant to know what a hermaphrodite is. This is why I hate religion after 12 years of religous training. I also am too bright to believe in a god.
This is the message that needs to be and must be on the national media! I am so sick and tired of the Evangelicals Cults who are so fascist and doing all in their power to take our own free agency away from us. If there is anything Satanic it is the Evangelical extremists influence in our society.
Thank you Jason for your sharing of your life experiences. it has been so moving and encouraging to hear your heartfelt words. being a gay boy in the south has been very tough, and hearing stories like yours, gives me hope and strength. may God bless you! Thank you so much for sharing. would love to hear more.
Thank you Jason for your sharing of your life experiences. it has been so moving and encouraging to hear your heartfelt words. being a gay boy in the south has been very tough, and hearing stories like yours, gives me hope and strength. may God bless you! Thank you so much for sharing. would love to hear more.
i thoroughly appreciated this video. i can relate so very much to it. Thanks Jason for your honest words of encouragement and heartfelt, sincere sharing of your life experiences. May God bless you. I would love to hear more.
Thanks Jacob for sharing your experience and revealing at least a little of the insanity that has led otherwise reasonable people to send their gay children to self-hating ex-gay camps. How can we allow this to continue to happen to our gay youth in this county!?! We must stop the anti-gay fundamentalist industries.
I love God...and more importantly he loves me, and you...
he IS love.....
praise god for gay christians...i am no longer alone.
Jessiswhoiam831 1 month ago
If God is as loving as he proclaims to be, why would he hate his creations just because they love?
MusicByHMS 1 month ago
Ex-Gay? Fucking LOL!!
TheJakster101 5 months ago
Thank you Jacob for being brave and honest. Respect.
dretief 11 months ago
THANK YOU JACOB , THIS IS SO WRONG ON SO MANY LEVELS , BEING GAY OR BI IS FINE !!!!! IT IS GOOD . IT IS A GIFT FROM GOD !!!!! PLEASE IF YOU THINK YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH ONE OF THESE SICK PROGRAMS DON'T , COMING TO TERMS WITH YOURSELF IT THE BEST WAY TO LIVE , BE PROUD TO BE YOURSELF !!!! IT GETS BETTER PEACE
bearcub410 11 months ago 4
@bearcub410 TOTALLY AGREE with you. These programs are sick, there's nothing wrong with being gay and loving Christ.
brucinda01 10 months ago 2
When I was younger I went to a psychiatrist who said that hypnotherapy could change ny sexuality. I underwent this and it did no good. You are what you are. Tell a bird not to fly or a snake not to bite and see what their response would be if they could talk.
hineni53 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you think Jacob Wilson is a sexy beast!!
SillyGayBoy 1 year ago 8
there are survivors in gettysburg good luck
marcus8902 1 year ago
thank you, jacob, for your story. for sticking it out.
xxthread 1 year ago
I'm not gay, but I've never had a problem with homosexuality. When I was a child I was forced to memorize the phalms and repeat them in front of the entire church; I hated it. When I was there I met Ki, a boy a few years older than me, and he told me he "liked other boys". His parents forced him to go to church every Sunday and Wednesday to "fix him". Do you know how the church tried to fix him? The pastor beat him with the bible after every sermon. He beat me too, because I tried to help Ki.
kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
@kirikakirikakirika That's terrible...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@kirikakirikakirika What did you do to help him? Sorry that happened to both of you. That seems really bizarre.
SillyGayBoy 1 year ago
@SillyGayBoy Ki was very quiet and antisocial. Neither of us liked the pastor because he was "creepy", obviously in more ways than one... Ki used to sit in the corner during Sunday school alone. It took forever to get him to open up to me. Even after we became friends and he told me he liked boys, I never knew that the pastor was beating him. We both hated church, but I never knew his reason was more valid than mine. I walked into the pastor's office one day and saw it. I grabbed his arm, but...
kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
@SillyGayBoy I was just a little girl at the time, and the pastor was tall, really tall. He actually picked me up and threw me across his office. I guess the door was supposed to be locked, so he locked it. When I asked why he was hitting Ki, he said it was because God needed to beat the gay out of him. I said that I thought Ki was fine the way he was. Unfortunately, I had just told the pastor that I knew Ki was gay, so he beat me too, calling me a "gay instigator". I was 10, Ki was 13.
kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
@SillyGayBoy The sad thing is... after it all happened, Ki apologised to me. He said he "dragged me into it". Thinking back on it, it still makes me cry. The church made him feel so guilty about being gay, like everything wrong in the world was his fault. After that day, everything made sense, why he never spoke to anyone and why he always wore long clothes, even if it was sweltering. I wanted to tell his parents but he said they knew... I don't know if he got the same treatment at home...
kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
@SillyGayBoy But I told my mother. She didn't believe me. Even after I showed her my bruises, she figured I just got hurt during succor. After that, the pastor beat both Ki and myself after every sermon. I hated that pastor.... You have no idea how much I wanted him to die.... Anyway, sorry this is becoming so long. Eventually I told my teacher, whom I loved, and he got the police involved. I was only ten and I still don't know if what I did was right, but after that...
kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
@SillyGayBoy The pastor was excommunicated from the church, but I don't think he was arrested... Ki and I were so happy and we thought we were in the clearing. For a while we were, until one day after church his parents came up and told me they didn't want me playing with him anymore. I don't think the cops even spoke to his parents... I didn't put that together until later. Even so, adults weren't allowed in the Sunday school section, so we still played together.
kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
@SillyGayBoy Sadly... A few weeks after the nightmarish incident, Ki came to church looking extremely dejected. He told me that his family was switching churches and that they were planning on moving. I was devastated and I didn't trust his parents, so I begged him to stay. I told him my family would adopt him... just childish dreams, I guess. That goodbye... was so hard... I haven't seen Ki since. I haven't heard from him... I don't know where he is... I hope no one ever has to suffer like him.
kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
@kirikakirikakirika Wow well I'm glad you guys got him in trouble even if the police didn't do enough. Sorry you guys had to say good bye it sounds like paranoia on the parents end and running away from problems. Your profile says your from Canada? I thought they were very gay accepting? Don't worry about posts being long I love to chat and you are a good writer. I'm glad you were a good friend to him and sorry that happened to both of you. Good job with telling the right person about it.
SillyGayBoy 1 year ago
@SillyGayBoy Thank you. I've always been confused about that incident; I've always wondered if I couldn't have done more. Canada is very gay accepting, we're accepting in general, but church is still church and people are still people... There are haters everywhere. Also, this was in the 1990's, and homosexuality was only on the verge of being acceptable. It seems Ki and I were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. It is nice, though, that things have changed so much.
I hope Ki is happy.
kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
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kirikakirikakirika 1 year ago
when you go to a church looking to get your problems fixed, you find fake shiney magical hypocritical unchrist like people that are prejudice and want you for various reasons, basically if you want to just fix a problem, satan comes in and takes advantage of your heart, if you want to be saved, look for jesus, if you want a fix, look for jesus..don't " i want to find jesus so he can fix my amputated leg" when it should be" i want to know jesus, because he is above everything else"
Terrybob123 1 year ago
This is serious stuff and I feel for these people. It's so much more to it than just going to group sessions or learning behavioral practices. Nothing is gona change if you don't have a real honest to goodness relationship with God and his Son Jesus Christ. I know I'm spewing what the Church has said for decades and It's so "out of touch" with issues of sexuality that it's hard to ignore all of that and take this seriously on having a personal relationship with the Creator; but we MUST try.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
@atlasshrugged2u
I think we should always strive to have real, personal relationship with Jesus Christ: it is the only way really to true happiness. Jesus makes me feel wonderful and blessed, and that is really all that matters to me right now
Quinton111100 1 year ago
@Quinton111100 You said the same thing I said (smile) so, then that's what matters my friend.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
@atlasshrugged2u
Exactly; and I won't lie: I have dealt with, and am dealing with, sexual attraction to other males :(
however, i've chosen simply not to decide my orientation right now; I'm only 19, and I have my entire life to figure out my feelings. I only want what God would want for me
Quinton111100 1 year ago
@Quinton111100 I was raped by my Stepfather when I was about 14 years old and lets just say I NEVER trusted a man after that and wondered when I got a little older If I might be a lesbian. I developed my relaionship with God cause I really needed HELP to say the least! and it took time and prayers and tears and PATIENCE but I ended up happily married to an awesome patient man who had to deal with a pychologically frigid wife for a few years there so... believe me I know where you're coming from
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
@Quinton111100 The point is that I somehow KNOW my life would have been different had I not really stayed close to God and people who loved God as well (that helped a little) essentially I prayed that I "wouldn't" be gay not that I'm judging or anything, I just didn't want that for myself; but I certainly understand If someone else does and I don't condemn them in the least because I understand and I KNOW God does too...I know it; It's "GOD" ok not just some "human" that thinks like we do.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
Jesus loves you no matter what. And He can change you, you don't need therapy or whatever. You just need to come to Him :) Be Blessed.
siholgs 1 year ago
Interviewer: How do I do this?
Who are you?
X3
lonelysith66 1 year ago
Holy crap I worked with Jacob in Des Moines for a few days. He's an incredibly friendly guy!
inaeurotrance 1 year ago 2
The coughing isn't really a cough. I do the same thing when something there is really hard to talk about. He's trying to hold back heavy emotions. Either anger or sadness. When I came to my dad I did the same thing to try and prevent myself from crying or hitting an emotional rock bottom.
7Monastica7Rex7rgis 1 year ago
You just need a good shot of testosterone!! and then your gonna love pussy
MrEndlessly 1 year ago
@MrEndlessly LOL!! that was funny. I'm sick like that sorry, I thought it was funny.
atlasshrugged2u 1 year ago
What I think is funny about them is... they try their best to speak with deep voice.
hahahahaha
If been str8 you need to have a deep voice. I have a friend he is bass, and look that dude is more gay the village ppl. hahahaha
RonaldBarone 1 year ago
"Ex-Gay Survivor" how hilarious! As if being gay is some disease people die from or something one could change...
jon93ek 1 year ago
That guy really needs to see a doctor about his coughing
stephenpaultaylor 1 year ago
"zapped by the straight gun"
awesome
stephenpaultaylor 1 year ago
dont worry jacob god accepts you for who you are,dont let any1 say what god will do,because that person cant tell as he is not god,god love gays!i know that and im a christian.
bethdominix 1 year ago
What dose love in action look like (point to the protesters) this is what love in action looks like.
fireflygirl246 1 year ago
that guy coughs alot O_o
pebbles1726 1 year ago
Thank goD...the only thing important is 2 b U!! Those ex gay watever dnt work they just want ur money!!! F them
We r all humans..there is no diffirence
kevinkevin023 2 years ago 4
Not masturbating isn't healthy.
uraine7626 2 years ago
@uraine7626 It isn't?!
How come?
lonelysith66 1 year ago
JACOB MAY GOD BLESS YOUUUUU
nevashiva 2 years ago 5
I was not involved with an ex-gay group but when I came out in '86 my family told me that they never wanted to see me again. I've been with my man - the most amazing, wonderful guy in the world! - for 20+ years and my mother just met him for the first time about two months ago!! I guess what I want people to know is that parents and family can change. Sometimes it takes longer for others.
It amazes me that in 2009 people still care about same-sex attraction. Honestly...it's no big deal!
suvariboy 2 years ago 3
Jacob Wilson is really cute. Glad he chose to be himself.
viastesal 2 years ago
I tried therapy, fasting (21, 18, 14 days, etc), praying, just about everything but electro-shock therapy to change from gay to straight....I did this for years......and you know what?......I'm still gay. I'm thankful to see that God LOVES ME JUST THE WAY I AM. It absolutely amazes me how the simple truths of the Bible (i.e. love, forgiveness, etc.) get twisted around. Let's face it....the angry homophobics have made their god into their own image.....angry!!! Love Rules, not hate!!!
Jsblook 2 years ago 5
religion needs to go - its way more trouble than its worth
grai 2 years ago 2
This is awesome and I'm proud of all of you guys who are coming out in the open and showing what a fraud the ex-gay sham is.
Jacksonholenativ 2 years ago 5
Jacob i will date you in a heartbeat =)
lostidentity99 2 years ago
I guess if you use a tazer of a person enough they'll believe anthing... This place is such a lie, you can't change anything any more than a straight person can change to be gay...
There's a difference between changing orientation and changing behavior... There is no shame in who you are only what you do...
usapegasus007 2 years ago 2
Such a shame that a beautiful, gentle gay man like Jacob was induced to endure this. The Fundies couldn''t stand the lovely person that he was and tried to destroy him. Thankfully, they didn't succeed.
James Dobson is one of the worst excuses for a human being alive today.
polemius01 2 years ago 6
Thanks for sharing your story Jacob. You're a brave man. Never forget that you are loved (especially just the way you are)! :)
PatrickButton 3 years ago 5
brave guy, respect to him
Eltoca21 3 years ago 3
Thank you to Jacob for courageously telling his story. I want to say I have a good friend from Iowa who came out to his folks and they made him talk to a minister, get a bunch of medical tests, go to a psychiatrist.... and when he "refused to give up the homosexual lifestyle" they totally cut him off. He put himself through college while estranged from his parents, but gradually they have been reunited and got beyond "dont ask don't tell" to being able to accept him for who he is.
clevii 3 years ago 3
Thank Dog that I grew up around New York, New York...we were past this shit 40 years ago.
marinello6 3 years ago 4
Why is it ok for a woman to swallow her husbands sperm. The definition of sodomy would include this. Anything other than coitus is sodomy....how do you like them apples homophobes? Eat out your wife and that falls under the definition of sodomy. I never thought that this nonsense would be going on in the year 2008 and soon 2009. Religion started to die out 40 years ago but the religious lobbiests did not want to lose their occupations and incomes.
marinello6 3 years ago 3
Internalized homophobia can be lethal.
The reality of the commonness of same sex attraction has to be accepted by the general public. There are varied degrees of same sex attraction. It is part of the continuem of infinite variety of the human sexual experience. What do homophobes have to say to hermaphrodites....? Most of them are too ignorant to know what a hermaphrodite is. This is why I hate religion after 12 years of religous training. I also am too bright to believe in a god.
marinello6 3 years ago 8
Great job Jacob! God bless you for sharing this important story!
LAFOF0238 3 years ago 2
This is the message that needs to be and must be on the national media! I am so sick and tired of the Evangelicals Cults who are so fascist and doing all in their power to take our own free agency away from us. If there is anything Satanic it is the Evangelical extremists influence in our society.
Jacksonholenativ 3 years ago
Thank you Jason for your sharing of your life experiences. it has been so moving and encouraging to hear your heartfelt words. being a gay boy in the south has been very tough, and hearing stories like yours, gives me hope and strength. may God bless you! Thank you so much for sharing. would love to hear more.
mrohhyeah 3 years ago 2
Thank you Jason for your sharing of your life experiences. it has been so moving and encouraging to hear your heartfelt words. being a gay boy in the south has been very tough, and hearing stories like yours, gives me hope and strength. may God bless you! Thank you so much for sharing. would love to hear more.
mrohhyeah 3 years ago
i thoroughly appreciated this video. i can relate so very much to it. Thanks Jason for your honest words of encouragement and heartfelt, sincere sharing of your life experiences. May God bless you. I would love to hear more.
mrohhyeah 3 years ago
Jacob, you are super hot. And those damn ex-gay ministries should be shut down and those that run them should be jailed.
RodrigueMoore 3 years ago 4
I just talked to Jacob, he's flattered.
slincolnwx 3 years ago
Thanks Jacob for sharing your experience and revealing at least a little of the insanity that has led otherwise reasonable people to send their gay children to self-hating ex-gay camps. How can we allow this to continue to happen to our gay youth in this county!?! We must stop the anti-gay fundamentalist industries.
seamuspcoy 3 years ago 17
Thank you for speaking out Jacob, thanks for spreading the truth BoxTurtle!
o216o 4 years ago 18