Remember that war, respect those who fought in this war and who with all their dignity and honor won it for US to live and be there where we are today.
Be proud of them, respect them and pass it to your children.
@TheDudeReborn I don't know what is your definition of a socialist constitution. The only socialist constitution is that wich nationalize or socialize private property of the means of production. Point
@apocalypticmadman Our 1976 constitution says you can nationalize at will to benefit the people, but we can't do that anymore (because of the European Union).
"While waiting for the coffee, you drowsily watch a sea of red flags winding its way through the center of Moscow, flooding the cobblestones of Red Square. You rub your eyes, wondering if this is a segment from the History Channel. Then reality kicks in with the caffeine: In a stunning upset, Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov has defeated Vladimir Putin in the Russian presidential elections."
@redundantstudios No, Russia just needs to stabilize itself. This is a Country relatively new to Capitalist ideals. While they may not be perfect, it is a more free lifestyle than what people endured in the USSR. And my Father agrees.
@SentimentalBadger Still it was better before it became capitalistic. Now we have 2 time more fascists than rest of the world together and corruption on same level as fucking Togo and are losing minimum 400 billion dollars every year just because of bribes.
@dangar45 Yeah, granted, folks are in the shit. But would you rather be free but in hard times, or in a nation of wealth, but you having none? Give it some time, some party will find the balance between socialism and Capitalism.
@SentimentalBadger No party are able to make Russia as good as it was before 1917. That will never happen. Western countries are successful not because of their democracy and liberalism, but because of their Imperialistic background, prolonged peace and their friendship with USA (which also gave them milliards after WW2 and help/protection during the Cold War).
@dangar45 You'll find that European greatness in the current era is due to their generally sound economic policy and liberalness, combined with their personal military might, and most nations (e.g. Germany) no longer feel the effects of their disbanded empires at all.
@SentimentalBadger Of course. Nothing wrong with a libertarian (i.e anarchist) balance, but a centered government is nearly impossible as it always will swing one way or the other, and generally to the more authoritarian side of things. Balance is always wanted, but never granted it seems.
@SentimentalBadger There is balance between capitalism and socialism. They're called Nordic countries. Free education, free healthcare, well organized public sector. Same time one can start their own business and succeed, but due to relatively high taxes, no body will become multi-billionaire (which is a good thing, no body needs that much money). No homeless, but no super-rich either.
Don't really understand why people think one has to choose between extreme left or extreme right...
@SentimentalBadger say rather that it is a people new to capatalist ideas. Under the Tsar's of russia from the 1600's to the early 1900's capalism was promoted, even though the riches of capalism only reached the upper or wealthy middle class. But I see your point completely.
@Lyube123 Finland was never occupied by USSR. They could have, I don't deny that, but they didn't, as they wanted to rush to Berlin before Western Allies.
Finland was not invaded because it never crossed outside the territories occupied by Soviets previously, in the "Winter War", territories mostly inhabited by Finns.
@anaplastic Finland was invaded at Winter War and Finland made multiple provocative actions against USSR with Germany to launch Continuation War. Finland crossed the old borders and advanced as far as Petroskoi, as Finland needed something to bargain with USSR. How ever, Mannerheim did not allow Finns to take part to Siege of Leningrad or to cut down railway to Murmansk, as it would've only made more civilian casualties.
Anyway, they advanced generally to the old borders, only occasionally deeper, if I remember well. There was a Finnish population mixed with Russians even further. Now, I am not sure why exactly they didn't advance, what is sure is that they intentionally stopped short of Leningrad in 1941. It's also hard to enter the brain of Stalin, but I guess had the Finns worsened by much the situation at Leningrad, Finland would have been a large Estonia inside USSR for 45 years.
@anaplastic Main purpose for Continuation War was to get lost territories back from USSR. How ever, as Mannerheim got his training in Russian Army, he knew something about Russian strategies and mentality. He knew that in order to get the Karelia back to Finland, Finns had to give something in exchange (and in this scenario it would've been the occupied territories). Not taking part of Siege of Leningrad and other similar events saved Finland, as Finns weren't seen as such a ''monsters''.
I don't quite understand, who wanted the whole Karelia? I don't think Finns ever wanted the whole Karelia, if I remember something of geography (and demographics, there are too many ethnic Russians). Anyway, the main point is that Mannerheim (i think a general in the Russian Imperial Army) decided correctly not to push harder, irrespective of what Germans were asking (even Hitler repeatedly asked, if I remember).
@anaplastic Well not whole Karelia, but the Karelian Isthmus which was part of Finland before Winter War. Finnish Karelia was never full of ethnic Russians, but ethnic Finns. Finns were forced to move out after Russians just took over Karelian Isthmus.
Ok, what's the Finnish Karelia? I knew of "Karelia" as of something large, like half or more the size of Finland, and that large "Karelia" had a sizable Russian population even in 1900. Anyway, what Mannerheim probably wanted imho was more or less the territory taken by Soviets during the Winter War (much smaller than the whole Karelia), inhabited mostly by Finns.
@anaplastic Nah, Karelia is located around Western, Southern and Northern sides of Lake Ladoga. Finnish Karelia is simply the part of Karelia (like Karelian Isthmus) that was part of Finland before Winter War, part of Grand Duchy of Finland when under Russian rule and part of Österland when under Swedish rule. Population of it has always been Finnish. Whole Karelia is a lot bigger, true, but Finns only want their old lands that were taken by force back.
@Rmxmax We tried to fight for it, that's called Continuation War. Finland and Russia have really good relationships, and Finns don't see any reason to make them worse. Finns value peace a lot more than some lands, but Winter War was a crime and taking those lands was a criminal act, so if Russia wants to ''clean its reputation'' it should do some compensating for its old, unjustified crimes.
@NaturalisPhaenomena Different wars. The US could hold its own against a regular army, though when it comes to a war of hearts and minds against insurgents it doesn't fair so well.
@anaplastic Well single-handedly...they had some support from England, and the US send supplies and were a useful distraction until Stalin could send 4 Million Red Army conscripts across the Seelower Heights and crush our resistance. There's no doubt that WWII was a Soviet victory though.
Yeap,along with the Greek resistance which slowed the advance of troops to the Soviets,In-the Reich problems, and lets not forget the US landing along with the Brits.
@TK8492 Oh I know. One of my great Uncles fell in Stalingrad, I know the Eastern Front was a war unto itself. There's no doubt that the Soviets had to bear the brunt of Teutonic warfare, were the first to encounter Tiger tanks, Elephant tank destroyers and 42cm Mortars.
@l0rf The only country to emerge from WW2 with its economy, wealth, power, & infrastructure enhanced was the USA.
The USSR could never have survived WW2 without the western allies. The USSR emerged from WW2 fatally damaged but through harsh but ultimately unsustainable measures survived for 3 decades before economic & 'cold war' competition with the more powerful USA led to the Soviet's final collapse.
WW2 (which also caused the downfall of the British Empire) was unquestionably a USA victory.
@freeman8128 I'd put it in other words. While Soviet Union broke the back of Hitler US used the results of ww2 to its advantage. Would USSR survive w/o help of West or wouldn't is doubtful question. Only 20 years before ww2 all of them: US, GB, Germany, Poland, France and Japan were attacking Soviet Russia and lost. The collapse of USSR was caused not by economical failure but by treachery of highest leaders of it. The collapse of economy is what you see in West now.
@fiorAvanti1917 tell that to all of the retarded EU nations that are bankrupt and have to change all their policies like france. the EU's economic plan in the recession was literally "cross your fingers and hope the yanks save us all" they tried socialized agriculture in soviet russia and communist china and both stalin and mao zedong hold world records for being responsible for loss of human life, because the all starved to death. socialism is the stupidest government structure you could employ
@fiorAvanti1917 The Soviet Union collapsed because it had become economically dependant on forced labour & a corrupt, inefficient, bureaucratic command economy held together by repression. These factors were not sustainable & the system was so rotted from within that once removed, collapse was inevitable.
It was not a matter of treachery but a failed attempt to reform a fundamentally unsustainable system that was impractical & morally corrupted beyond reform.
@fiorAvanti1917 The Soviet Union collapsed because it had become economically dependant on forced labour & a corrupt, inefficient, bureaucratic command economy held together by repression. These factors were not sustainable & the system was so rotted from within that once removed, collapse was inevitable.
It was not a matter of treachery but a failed attempt to reform a fundamentally unsustainable system that was impractical & morally corrupted beyond reform.
@fiorAvanti1917 if you really think the USSR didn't implode you're a fool. they didn't have the infastructure, money, or work ethic that the USA did. they spent all their money trying to look tough but in the end the money well ran dry. Communism and Socialism look great on paper but give a few years they always collapse. why do you think china implements a free market economy even though they're commies? because they tried that shit before and they starved by the millions.
@phone8667250 The imploding of USSR had political, not economical character. By the way, the fall of USSR caused the greatest crisis of capitalism, what you are watching now around you. Free market is not taboo for Socialist countries. USSR had it in 20s. It was called NEP, and organized after some Lenin's works. Don't forget, your gvt is pressed to implement planned economy as well. You tell me, what was nationalized last time in your country?About starvation - thats horror tales
@fiorAvanti1917. The USSR collapsed due to poor management and an overblown military budget. They could have cut their military by 90% and focussed all that money on domestic affairs. They'd still retain the ability to nuke any invading country into the stone age - but they'd be much better off economically. I could say the same of the USA in 2012.
@baobubs You have very good eyes, to see from Australia what I couldn't see from Russia. The today's Russia with practically no war budget dreams to have the tenth of economical health of Soviet Union in most crisis time. No one plant or mine stopped the work, no field left. The luck of products was organized by leaders of USSR Gorbachov and K.
@freeman8128 Actually, britain and russia could have easily defeated nazi germany. most of their victories were based on forging and breaking alliances among smaller nations so that germany would have a temp ally to help overtake a nation. thats how it got most of europe. they also were based on the fact they didnt face a defeat until russia. afterwards, morale was crap, britain destroyed their western air forces, russia was massing millions of soldiers.
Your analysis & opinion differs not only from the history but notably from those of Winston S. Churchill, Statesman & Historian, who as British Premier was - together with Roosevelt & Stalin - one of the 'big three' who led the Allies in WW2
@freeman8128 actually, what i stated WAS the history. the western german airforce was completely destroyed in the blitz and Russia was beating back german forces in stalingrad, leningrad, and moscow. Russia was rallying a large force to march onto germany. The only contribution the U.S. made was that they liberated france, ended the war quicker, and distracted japan. the most notable thing was taking care of japan. other than that, russia alone would have difficulty, but would win.
@freeman8128 and the only reason he doubted the european allies victory was because his main focus was to liberate france THEN win the war. impossible without the help of the U.S. if they wanted to do it in that order, but very real possibility if England went in a different direction than france.
@zexion4real britain was a pile of rubble we payed to rebuild their infastructure. also you're dead wrong. they split poland but every other country they took was through conquest or appeasement tactics by Neville Chamberlain. the entire eastern front hinged on stalingrad. they could have taken moscow easily and then would have had reliable logistics to support them with the winter clothes and shit that they desperately needed. hitler quagmires they're momentum at stalingrad
@phone8667250 britain? a pile of rubble? you mean london? first of the blitz, sure they hit several places, but their focus was on london, just like the british wanted. the germans could not take stalingrad because the russians put up too much resistance and then struck back when they had enough men. the russian winter defeated the germans and even if the russian counterattack failed, the process would repeat until the germans kept dying of the cold.
@phone8667250 and appeasement my ass. the time the did anything involving appeasement was with northern czecholovakia and poland. every other nation was taken because hitler had smaller nations help him conquer other nations and then betrayed them later on. slovakia helped invade poland, invaded czecholslovakia itself, then used hungary to take yugoslavia with the help of italy, italy and germany took hungary, and did this to several other nations thats how europe was taken.
@phone8667250 and they could not have taken any of the russian cities easily because they faced too much resistance and harsh weather so soviet union alone could have won the war. one more thing, you're dead wrong about my being dead wrong. you're the one who is dead wrong, america fanboy.
@freeman8128 in the end, the US only liberated france and helped end the war more quickly and beat japan. if U.S. and japan were out, the war might have ended 22-5 years later than it did, still with Russia and britain winning.
dude read a book you're dumb. USA killing japan alleviated an entire front. russian was more afraid of japan than germany because of the non aggression pact. they got caught with their pants down most of their army and tanks stationed by mongolia. also you think the brits could launch an air campaign after the battle of britain? the US pumped every single ally excepting maybe russia with boat loads of cash before we ever landed. the russians didn't win the war. germany squandered it
@anaplastic it's a shame really, nazi germany and russia are brothers, it is USA that we should have repellled. look at our homeland now under nato rule? let USA burn.
with the Romanians on their side the war could go on for another 6 months enough time for Hitler to finish the V1 and V2 rockets....but our King betrayed us and went on the communist side aka Sold us to the devil. ;))
@beaverswedish Thats right: they kept the Soviets supplied through the Arctic convoys at great cost to themselves in men & ships; sacrificed their lives & resources bombing Germany to destroy their ability to fight the Soviets; suffered & died in huge numbers fighting the Axis in North Africa, Italy, France the Netherlands Germany, Czechoslovakia, the Balkans & the far East.
Britain sacrificed its World Empire to that cause. The Soviets owed their survival to the British & Americans.
@freeman8128 What you're saying is, millions of Soviets died for nothing, Stalinism, the horrid thing, rose for no good reason and that Russia should kneel and kiss Britains ass? No, not going to happen.
@Tralgit I agree - but bear in mind that the USA was the only country to emerge from WW2 having made a profit & increased its economic power, prestige & prosperity, with the rest of the world in its debt (a massive turnabout since the depression of the 1930's).
So massive was the economic cost of WW2 to Britain that it took until the year 2008 to pay off its debts to the USA.
@freeman8128 The " war bonds " was the way to pay for the war, I don't know when they were paid in full by the US government. Joe Sixpack paid at the end for it.
@Tralgit Joe Sixpack always pays in every country. In USA people bought 'War Bonds' in UK they were called 'Postwar Credits' (same thing) - they were never paid in full.
To finance 'Lend Lease' Britain sold off massive assets (Mining, Oil, Industries, Railways etc) in Latin America & Asia & transferred various island colonies to USA.
In the latter '40's Britain made further Massive Borrowings from the USA to finance post-war reconstruction having suffered greatly from German bombing.
@freeman8128 Yep, the UK never fully recovered from WW II, for the rest of Europe there was the " Marshall plan ", to finance the recovery and prevent it from falling into " Red " .
@Tralgit the bonds paid for 2 things: first they pumped insane amounts of cash into american industry which would switch to car, airplanes companies after the war providing tons of jobs and increasing USA export capacity. secondly the USA literally gave billions and billions to every country in Europe besides russia be they were afraid of communist uprisings in destabalized western culture
@ArTofPvT I have known the song all my life & USSR from the end of WW2 until USSR collapsed - before you were born
Like other combatant European countries (England & Germany) USSR emerged from WW2 with its infrastructure severely damaged but a need to play the part of a superpower in spite of the economic realities. This was achieved by a combination of severe austerities, asset stripping from occupied former enemies, forced labour & bluff.
However, this was not sustainable & the USSR collapsed
@freeman8128 I am Canadian, and no, that is not what should happen, that is not what is ever going to happen to anybody.
You've failed to understand that this war is absolutely horrid, and should not have happened, and in this time we all helped eachother out, we don't owe anything to anybody by defending ourselves.
@Tralgit Nobody is going to kiss anybodies ass, stop being so arrogant
@ComradeOfHouse Those of us who have first hand experience of war understand rather better than you do that EVERY war is absolutely horrid.
WW2 was necessary to save Freedom, Justice, Reason & Democracy from Nazism & its allies. It might have been avoided if the Free World had stood up to Nazism & Fascism earlier instead of the foolish attempt at appeasement which only encouraged these evils.
The Free world is in danger today from 'Islamofascism': making the same errors may lead to catastrophe
@freeman8128 dude why don't these people get it? it's like just pick up a god damn history book it's there for everyone to see. finally someone you can make a solid point without it being full of holes
But the losses would be terrible! For one of us died about 13 Russians!
We had 1 300 000 Russians fighting under the German flag, cause the communists were truly bad and they liked better to get treated like persons and to smash the communism.
@FettererBaer 80% of German casualties were in the Eastern front, and those figures include millions of soviet pow killed in nazi camps. Also, those figures do noy include Romanian, Hungarian and Finnish casualties on the axis side
@FettererBaer yea but the russians you we're talking about were also murdered by 'you'. hanged, shot, raped, beaten, burned, gassed, worked and starved to death in camps (not only jew but POWs also), tortured, frozen, blown to peices, and generally butchered by 'your' war machine that was based upon utterly horrid and disgusting ideology calling itself national SOCIALISM, as a result of being thrashed in the great war
Well, but you and I, know that the Russions committed larger genocides than our people.
For example of about 90 000 - 100 000 POW from Stalingrad came only 6 000 back.
The biggest ethnic cleaning in history was in the german east, committed by communists (15 000 000 People killed, raped or driven away). You are right, that russian POW got killed in a hight number, but they died mostly because they had no food (equal to the german POWs).
The national socialism started committing genocides not before there were dying lots of german soldiers. And genocides were in Germany never legal and secret!
The commies murdered always and in bigger numbers...
@FettererBaer depending upon ones perspective and class, but at the root and purest form, communism/socialism, because it is based upon equality for all workers, where as national socialism is based upon and the survival of the fittest you could say, and that the rulers of earth were the aryans, and htath te slavs were 'sub-human'. However the stalinist soviet union was highly corrupt and totalitarian, almost, but not quite as equally as disgusting as "illegal" murder by gas
The national socialism did never want (the aryans) to rule the earth. The word "master-race" was invented by the americans, to do atrocity propaganda...
The sowjets killed more russians and ukrainians before the war, than the germans through it... I can not find a murder better, that happened by hunger than killing by gas!
Who would you kill more easily? Someone related to you but rich or someone not related to you, no matter if he has got money? Thats the difference between
@FettererBaer unfortunately i cannot understand what you are talknig about wholy in that last comment, however, yes it is based upon Aryan Supremecy, please do not confuse national sosialism with fascism, yes fascism was not based upon that, much like how even though socialism did not include such corruption that soviet communism had. Also, there was enough food for prisoners also, that is why so few western allied POWs did not starve to death, the the Soviet POWs were
I speak from the national socialism and I know the difference to the fascism. (I'm studying history at the university of Graz) And I assure you, that the Germans never wanted to rule the world, or something like that...
In the east our own soldiers died because of the loss of food, so we gave the POWs not the food but our national comrades. In this territory our supplies didn't work so well. In the west, they did. Of course it would have been our duty to treat them better.
@FettererBaer You are either idiot or liar. Not to know that many Russian POWs in 1941 were shot at once can only idiot. The rest was practically starved in short time, while Nazi had plenty of food, stolen in occupied territory. But the civilian had to starve, cuz all food was stolen. In the first days of occupation many Russian, as well as Polish lands were given to Germans to own and the peasants were given them as slaves. Many farmers in Germany had slaves from Poland etc.
@FettererBaer Come here and our elder people will tell you were you got your supplies and how many of them. I30 000 is the number of ALL scum in Wehrmacht uniform that called themselves Russians. As for Paulus. Anyone can see in what condition these Germans were when they surrendered, and anyone can see that to the West of Stalingrad were Germans, to the East is Siberia. Take a guess were POWs were sent? Who is guilty that they went so far and starved before taken POWs?
@FettererBaer Only for some Western idiot shooting of officers, communists, commissars and Jews at once was innocent joke. It was considerable part of Soviet Army. And the remaining soldiers envied the dead when they got to KZ.
Interesting might be, that "liberated" russian POWs were punished and often condemned to death/ working to death in concentration camps called gulags, because for Red Army soldiers it was forbidden to surrender. The faith in German captivity was often better than getting liberated by the own army...
@FettererBaer It seems I explained why the German POWs of Paulus and only Paulus died. You have not to object here. All others returned home and built GDR, pain in your ass for decades. You don't have to search long for the crimes of your forefathers, come here in Russia and read in each village the names on the graveyards. That's hard for me to prove Western idiot that liberated POWs , 90% of them were set free after a month.
@FettererBaer Had you some brains you'd understand that the one who is programmed is you. Everything you know, you are taught by your "historians". What I know is not only manuals, it is experience of the generations of my father and my grandfathers. Your crimes is on graveyards in any of our cities, our crimes are only in your minds. If there were millions of victims, should I know at least one relative of one of them personally?
@AAliasW You'll laugh, but there is NO family that hadn't long history of supporting regime. Even these who now claim the opposite. Ever heard that word "democracy"? When the people supports the government not because it is pressed to, but because the people builds a government?
@AAliasW С удовольствием поговорил бы с Вами о том, как, кем и почему сегодня редактируются архивные документы. Но до того было бы неплохо, чтобы Вы дали Ваше определение употребленного Вами термина "regime".
Would be happy to talk with you about how, by whom and why today archival documents are edited. But before it would be nice that you would gave Your definition the term "regime", which You used .
@FettererBaer if you took ALL the crimes of all russians since before Czarist times up to now and added them, they wouldnt even half equal the holocaust! your argument is done.
@Stargate404 give me examples of anything worse than the holocaust commited by russia? pogroms probably came the closest but even that is dwarfed in comparison to the holocaust
@pedroissler Ненормальный здесь Вы, если голодомор и коллективизацию связали с холокостом, применив термин "холокост" в вашем узколобом западном варианте, то есть связали голодомор и коллективизацию с уничтожением евреев.
@pedroissler Уходящему с концами - золотой мост. По крайней мере вы изобразили нам способ уходить от разгрома в споре.
Будьте благополучны. :)
The outgoing forever has the right to the golden bridge. At least you have shown for us that you have a way of going from the imminent defeat in a dispute.
@ussr1cccp I'd call Stalin killing around 20 million Russians during his time as leader and nearly wiping out his military during the Great Purge as pretty bad
@Westiees Назовите страну, в которой человек, отказывающийся соблюдать конституцию, не признается уголовником. Назовите страну, в которой уголовникам пряники раздают, а не сажают в тюрьму или на электрический стул, или не делают смертельную инъекцию.
@FettererBaer Yes, the killing of comissars, Jews, Communists, starving civilians is a crime. But even bigger crime commit every day your so called historians. They kill each day more and more Soviet people. Each day these who went out to rob and to kill feel ever better, because these 'historians' washed them clean, accusing in all crimes the people and the power that liberated the world from brown pest.
@FettererBaer You are 'slightly' mistaken. Not 1 300 000, but 130 000. And don't lie where you can be easily caught on lie. Most of German POWs survived and returned to Germany. I do admit, that plenty of soldiers of Paulus army starved, but they starved before they were taken prisoners.
PROLETARIANS OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE!!!
ROHALAST 1 day ago 9
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dostrum57 3 days ago
I hope that Egypt be a Communist country
AbdelrahmanTheGreat 3 days ago
Brilliant !
AbdelrahmanTheGreat 3 days ago
Siendo de derecha, llore el dia que el mundo perdio a la URSS
nabuco6566 1 week ago
1:42 Angry Bird?
eggnato 1 week ago
Glory to the Soviet Union!
MGSoldier 1 week ago
Stop arguing, listen to the march - enjoy it.
Remember that war, respect those who fought in this war and who with all their dignity and honor won it for US to live and be there where we are today.
Be proud of them, respect them and pass it to your children.
amnest1ac 1 week ago
ёбаные правители развалили державу когда то всех превосходили были как одно целое а ща сука одни алкаши
hronos37 1 week ago
Don't know why but this song reminds me a little bit of when the Soviets retalliated the Nazis in Stalingrad =D
TheLegendOf97 2 weeks ago
this one's pretty good, I like it
mini1gerbel 2 weeks ago
Awesome song. Krasnaya Armiya forever!
Cheers from Brazil
matiasbarth 2 weeks ago
Ohhhh so beutiful..
BazzingaKingdom 2 weeks ago
sooooooooooo beautiful!!!!!!
devy0016 2 weeks ago 4
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DEATH OF COMMUNISM !!!
BY: BRASIL
1995merendeiro 2 weeks ago
@1995merendeiro No, Brasil sucks. Now, fucking enjoy this god damn song, Brasilian-Portuguese fuck.
TheSovietdino 2 weeks ago
@TheSovietdino Brazilian and Portuguese are different. And you may not know but Portugal's constitution is socialist.
TheDudeReborn 2 weeks ago
@TheDudeReborn I don't know what is your definition of a socialist constitution. The only socialist constitution is that wich nationalize or socialize private property of the means of production. Point
apocalypticmadman 2 weeks ago
@apocalypticmadman Our 1976 constitution says you can nationalize at will to benefit the people, but we can't do that anymore (because of the European Union).
TheDudeReborn 2 weeks ago
Американцы пришли сюда чтобы поспорит про историю СССР, а русские пришли чтобы послушать марш :3
vvolf26 3 weeks ago 37
"While waiting for the coffee, you drowsily watch a sea of red flags winding its way through the center of Moscow, flooding the cobblestones of Red Square. You rub your eyes, wondering if this is a segment from the History Channel. Then reality kicks in with the caffeine: In a stunning upset, Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov has defeated Vladimir Putin in the Russian presidential elections."
SovietUnionRedStar 3 weeks ago 22
@SovietUnionRedStar
What I'd do to see that happen.
PokeyMeansBusiness 3 weeks ago
@SovietUnionRedStar Let this dream become true today! Vote Communist! Workers of the world unite!
Jkmaitre08 1 week ago
@SovietUnionRedStar So the Russian Communist party is winning?
Humberto4790 1 week ago
@Humberto4790 sadly, no.
redundantstudios 1 week ago
@Humberto4790 The communist party is right up there after Putin
TensionAirsoft 1 week ago
@SovietUnionRedStar
It will not be Zuganov.
Although the red flag WILL wave in Russia once again.
SLRSulik 1 week ago
@SLRSulik I dread that day...to resurrect what we had buried for good, the mere idea, sends chills down my spine.
SentimentalBadger 1 week ago
@SentimentalBadger maybe it might be better
redundantstudios 1 week ago
@redundantstudios No, Russia just needs to stabilize itself. This is a Country relatively new to Capitalist ideals. While they may not be perfect, it is a more free lifestyle than what people endured in the USSR. And my Father agrees.
SentimentalBadger 1 week ago
@SentimentalBadger Still it was better before it became capitalistic. Now we have 2 time more fascists than rest of the world together and corruption on same level as fucking Togo and are losing minimum 400 billion dollars every year just because of bribes.
dangar45 1 week ago
@dangar45 Yeah, granted, folks are in the shit. But would you rather be free but in hard times, or in a nation of wealth, but you having none? Give it some time, some party will find the balance between socialism and Capitalism.
SentimentalBadger 1 week ago
@SentimentalBadger No party are able to make Russia as good as it was before 1917. That will never happen. Western countries are successful not because of their democracy and liberalism, but because of their Imperialistic background, prolonged peace and their friendship with USA (which also gave them milliards after WW2 and help/protection during the Cold War).
dangar45 1 week ago
@dangar45 You'll find that European greatness in the current era is due to their generally sound economic policy and liberalness, combined with their personal military might, and most nations (e.g. Germany) no longer feel the effects of their disbanded empires at all.
AAliasW 1 week ago
@SentimentalBadger Free lifestyle and socialism maybe?
redundantstudios 1 week ago
@redundantstudios I wish we could find a balance between the two, but people just seem to mess up one way or another :P.
SentimentalBadger 1 week ago
@SentimentalBadger Of course. Nothing wrong with a libertarian (i.e anarchist) balance, but a centered government is nearly impossible as it always will swing one way or the other, and generally to the more authoritarian side of things. Balance is always wanted, but never granted it seems.
redundantstudios 1 week ago
@SentimentalBadger There is balance between capitalism and socialism. They're called Nordic countries. Free education, free healthcare, well organized public sector. Same time one can start their own business and succeed, but due to relatively high taxes, no body will become multi-billionaire (which is a good thing, no body needs that much money). No homeless, but no super-rich either.
Don't really understand why people think one has to choose between extreme left or extreme right...
JohQx3 1 week ago
@JohQx3 I love you. FINALLY SOMEONE SEES THE TRUTH! Nord for life.
Vahva98 1 week ago
@SentimentalBadger say rather that it is a people new to capatalist ideas. Under the Tsar's of russia from the 1600's to the early 1900's capalism was promoted, even though the riches of capalism only reached the upper or wealthy middle class. But I see your point completely.
Darsaan 1 week ago
did someone cough at 0:11 or am i hearing somthing else?????
AdrianDotis 3 weeks ago
Let's go my Comrades to war! To war with the capitalist dogs of the West! They will be crushed by the next generation of New Age Communists!
TheLegendOf97 3 weeks ago 2
Workers of all the world!!UNITE!!against corporate faschist!!SMRT FAŠIZMU SLOBODA NARODU!!
towar85 3 weeks ago
naturalis u faggot grow some balls and SHUT THE FUCK UP! and no im not a yank you fucking scroat
johnchittock 3 weeks ago
Прекрасная песня!Спасибо
lordaglickiy 3 weeks ago
Funny how soviet were so big and powerful but couldn't take Finland.
fatboyjim91 3 weeks ago
@fatboyjim91 they could at the end
Lyube123 3 weeks ago
@Lyube123 Finland was never occupied by USSR. They could have, I don't deny that, but they didn't, as they wanted to rush to Berlin before Western Allies.
JohQx3 3 weeks ago
@JohQx3
Finland was not invaded because it never crossed outside the territories occupied by Soviets previously, in the "Winter War", territories mostly inhabited by Finns.
anaplastic 3 weeks ago
@anaplastic Finland was invaded at Winter War and Finland made multiple provocative actions against USSR with Germany to launch Continuation War. Finland crossed the old borders and advanced as far as Petroskoi, as Finland needed something to bargain with USSR. How ever, Mannerheim did not allow Finns to take part to Siege of Leningrad or to cut down railway to Murmansk, as it would've only made more civilian casualties.
JohQx3 3 weeks ago
@JohQx3
Anyway, they advanced generally to the old borders, only occasionally deeper, if I remember well. There was a Finnish population mixed with Russians even further. Now, I am not sure why exactly they didn't advance, what is sure is that they intentionally stopped short of Leningrad in 1941. It's also hard to enter the brain of Stalin, but I guess had the Finns worsened by much the situation at Leningrad, Finland would have been a large Estonia inside USSR for 45 years.
anaplastic 3 weeks ago
@anaplastic Main purpose for Continuation War was to get lost territories back from USSR. How ever, as Mannerheim got his training in Russian Army, he knew something about Russian strategies and mentality. He knew that in order to get the Karelia back to Finland, Finns had to give something in exchange (and in this scenario it would've been the occupied territories). Not taking part of Siege of Leningrad and other similar events saved Finland, as Finns weren't seen as such a ''monsters''.
JohQx3 3 weeks ago
@JohQx3
I don't quite understand, who wanted the whole Karelia? I don't think Finns ever wanted the whole Karelia, if I remember something of geography (and demographics, there are too many ethnic Russians). Anyway, the main point is that Mannerheim (i think a general in the Russian Imperial Army) decided correctly not to push harder, irrespective of what Germans were asking (even Hitler repeatedly asked, if I remember).
anaplastic 3 weeks ago
@anaplastic Well not whole Karelia, but the Karelian Isthmus which was part of Finland before Winter War. Finnish Karelia was never full of ethnic Russians, but ethnic Finns. Finns were forced to move out after Russians just took over Karelian Isthmus.
JohQx3 3 weeks ago
@JohQx3
Ok, what's the Finnish Karelia? I knew of "Karelia" as of something large, like half or more the size of Finland, and that large "Karelia" had a sizable Russian population even in 1900. Anyway, what Mannerheim probably wanted imho was more or less the territory taken by Soviets during the Winter War (much smaller than the whole Karelia), inhabited mostly by Finns.
anaplastic 3 weeks ago
@anaplastic Nah, Karelia is located around Western, Southern and Northern sides of Lake Ladoga. Finnish Karelia is simply the part of Karelia (like Karelian Isthmus) that was part of Finland before Winter War, part of Grand Duchy of Finland when under Russian rule and part of Österland when under Swedish rule. Population of it has always been Finnish. Whole Karelia is a lot bigger, true, but Finns only want their old lands that were taken by force back.
JohQx3 3 weeks ago
@JohQx3
Ok, then we basically agree.
anaplastic 3 weeks ago
@JohQx3 You don't just want your land. you fight for it silly.That's what we Russians did.
Rmxmax 3 weeks ago
@Rmxmax We tried to fight for it, that's called Continuation War. Finland and Russia have really good relationships, and Finns don't see any reason to make them worse. Finns value peace a lot more than some lands, but Winter War was a crime and taking those lands was a criminal act, so if Russia wants to ''clean its reputation'' it should do some compensating for its old, unjustified crimes.
JohQx3 3 weeks ago
@JohQx3 yeah, it's true.
Lyube123 3 weeks ago
@fatboyjim91 Funny how the greatest superpower today, the US, could not handle Iraq, Afghanistan, or Vietnam for that manner
NaturalisPhaenomena 3 weeks ago
@NaturalisPhaenomena Different wars. The US could hold its own against a regular army, though when it comes to a war of hearts and minds against insurgents it doesn't fair so well.
chrismanmk 3 weeks ago
@NaturalisPhaenomena USSR couldn't handle Afghanistan either... That country is 'unconquerable'.
jppged 3 weeks ago
@jppged Yes, indeed. The majority of modern wars is that way.
NaturalisPhaenomena 3 weeks ago
I'm no communist, but the Soviets had some awesome music!
PolishedMonocle 3 weeks ago 2
Hell, these Soviets almost single-handedly beat the entire Nazi Europe, that's a hell of a feat.
anaplastic 4 weeks ago 55
@anaplastic Well single-handedly...they had some support from England, and the US send supplies and were a useful distraction until Stalin could send 4 Million Red Army conscripts across the Seelower Heights and crush our resistance. There's no doubt that WWII was a Soviet victory though.
l0rf 4 weeks ago
@l0rf
Yeap,along with the Greek resistance which slowed the advance of troops to the Soviets,In-the Reich problems, and lets not forget the US landing along with the Brits.
MrThesnake123 3 weeks ago
@l0rf But, don't forget the Nazis threw a lot more resources at the Soviets than anyone else, UK nor US had to find on their home soil, the USSR did.
TK8492 3 weeks ago
@TK8492 Oh I know. One of my great Uncles fell in Stalingrad, I know the Eastern Front was a war unto itself. There's no doubt that the Soviets had to bear the brunt of Teutonic warfare, were the first to encounter Tiger tanks, Elephant tank destroyers and 42cm Mortars.
l0rf 3 weeks ago
@l0rf The only country to emerge from WW2 with its economy, wealth, power, & infrastructure enhanced was the USA.
The USSR could never have survived WW2 without the western allies. The USSR emerged from WW2 fatally damaged but through harsh but ultimately unsustainable measures survived for 3 decades before economic & 'cold war' competition with the more powerful USA led to the Soviet's final collapse.
WW2 (which also caused the downfall of the British Empire) was unquestionably a USA victory.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128 I'd put it in other words. While Soviet Union broke the back of Hitler US used the results of ww2 to its advantage. Would USSR survive w/o help of West or wouldn't is doubtful question. Only 20 years before ww2 all of them: US, GB, Germany, Poland, France and Japan were attacking Soviet Russia and lost. The collapse of USSR was caused not by economical failure but by treachery of highest leaders of it. The collapse of economy is what you see in West now.
fiorAvanti1917 2 weeks ago
@fiorAvanti1917 No trust me they're were MASSIVE economic problems with a centrally planned economy.
vanbismark 2 weeks ago in playlist The Red Menace
@vanbismark Really? Any massive economic problem of Socialism wasn't massive enough to compare with any average crisis of Capitalism.
fiorAvanti1917 2 weeks ago
@fiorAvanti1917 tell that to all of the retarded EU nations that are bankrupt and have to change all their policies like france. the EU's economic plan in the recession was literally "cross your fingers and hope the yanks save us all" they tried socialized agriculture in soviet russia and communist china and both stalin and mao zedong hold world records for being responsible for loss of human life, because the all starved to death. socialism is the stupidest government structure you could employ
phone8667250 1 week ago
@fiorAvanti1917 The Soviet Union collapsed because it had become economically dependant on forced labour & a corrupt, inefficient, bureaucratic command economy held together by repression. These factors were not sustainable & the system was so rotted from within that once removed, collapse was inevitable.
It was not a matter of treachery but a failed attempt to reform a fundamentally unsustainable system that was impractical & morally corrupted beyond reform.
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@fiorAvanti1917 The Soviet Union collapsed because it had become economically dependant on forced labour & a corrupt, inefficient, bureaucratic command economy held together by repression. These factors were not sustainable & the system was so rotted from within that once removed, collapse was inevitable.
It was not a matter of treachery but a failed attempt to reform a fundamentally unsustainable system that was impractical & morally corrupted beyond reform.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@fiorAvanti1917 if you really think the USSR didn't implode you're a fool. they didn't have the infastructure, money, or work ethic that the USA did. they spent all their money trying to look tough but in the end the money well ran dry. Communism and Socialism look great on paper but give a few years they always collapse. why do you think china implements a free market economy even though they're commies? because they tried that shit before and they starved by the millions.
phone8667250 1 week ago
@phone8667250 The imploding of USSR had political, not economical character. By the way, the fall of USSR caused the greatest crisis of capitalism, what you are watching now around you. Free market is not taboo for Socialist countries. USSR had it in 20s. It was called NEP, and organized after some Lenin's works. Don't forget, your gvt is pressed to implement planned economy as well. You tell me, what was nationalized last time in your country?About starvation - thats horror tales
fiorAvanti1917 1 week ago
@fiorAvanti1917. The USSR collapsed due to poor management and an overblown military budget. They could have cut their military by 90% and focussed all that money on domestic affairs. They'd still retain the ability to nuke any invading country into the stone age - but they'd be much better off economically. I could say the same of the USA in 2012.
baobubs 1 week ago
@baobubs You have very good eyes, to see from Australia what I couldn't see from Russia. The today's Russia with practically no war budget dreams to have the tenth of economical health of Soviet Union in most crisis time. No one plant or mine stopped the work, no field left. The luck of products was organized by leaders of USSR Gorbachov and K.
fiorAvanti1917 1 week ago
@freeman8128 Actually, britain and russia could have easily defeated nazi germany. most of their victories were based on forging and breaking alliances among smaller nations so that germany would have a temp ally to help overtake a nation. thats how it got most of europe. they also were based on the fact they didnt face a defeat until russia. afterwards, morale was crap, britain destroyed their western air forces, russia was massing millions of soldiers.
zexion4real 2 weeks ago
@zexion4real In reply to your 2 comments:
Your analysis & opinion differs not only from the history but notably from those of Winston S. Churchill, Statesman & Historian, who as British Premier was - together with Roosevelt & Stalin - one of the 'big three' who led the Allies in WW2
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
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@freeman8128 actually, what i stated WAS the history. the western german airforce was completely destroyed in the blitz and Russia was beating back german forces in stalingrad, leningrad, and moscow. Russia was rallying a large force to march onto germany. The only contribution the U.S. made was that they liberated france, ended the war quicker, and distracted japan. the most notable thing was taking care of japan. other than that, russia alone would have difficulty, but would win.
zexion4real 1 week ago
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@freeman8128 and the only reason he doubted the european allies victory was because his main focus was to liberate france THEN win the war. impossible without the help of the U.S. if they wanted to do it in that order, but very real possibility if England went in a different direction than france.
zexion4real 1 week ago
@zexion4real britain was a pile of rubble we payed to rebuild their infastructure. also you're dead wrong. they split poland but every other country they took was through conquest or appeasement tactics by Neville Chamberlain. the entire eastern front hinged on stalingrad. they could have taken moscow easily and then would have had reliable logistics to support them with the winter clothes and shit that they desperately needed. hitler quagmires they're momentum at stalingrad
phone8667250 1 week ago
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@phone8667250 britain? a pile of rubble? you mean london? first of the blitz, sure they hit several places, but their focus was on london, just like the british wanted. the germans could not take stalingrad because the russians put up too much resistance and then struck back when they had enough men. the russian winter defeated the germans and even if the russian counterattack failed, the process would repeat until the germans kept dying of the cold.
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@phone8667250 and appeasement my ass. the time the did anything involving appeasement was with northern czecholovakia and poland. every other nation was taken because hitler had smaller nations help him conquer other nations and then betrayed them later on. slovakia helped invade poland, invaded czecholslovakia itself, then used hungary to take yugoslavia with the help of italy, italy and germany took hungary, and did this to several other nations thats how europe was taken.
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@phone8667250 and they could not have taken any of the russian cities easily because they faced too much resistance and harsh weather so soviet union alone could have won the war. one more thing, you're dead wrong about my being dead wrong. you're the one who is dead wrong, america fanboy.
zexion4real 1 week ago
@freeman8128 in the end, the US only liberated france and helped end the war more quickly and beat japan. if U.S. and japan were out, the war might have ended 22-5 years later than it did, still with Russia and britain winning.
zexion4real 2 weeks ago
dude read a book you're dumb. USA killing japan alleviated an entire front. russian was more afraid of japan than germany because of the non aggression pact. they got caught with their pants down most of their army and tanks stationed by mongolia. also you think the brits could launch an air campaign after the battle of britain? the US pumped every single ally excepting maybe russia with boat loads of cash before we ever landed. the russians didn't win the war. germany squandered it
phone8667250 1 week ago
@anaplastic so untrue
cona94 3 weeks ago
@anaplastic every 7/10 dead Nazis were killed by the Soviets, Now thats saying something
mephisto279 3 weeks ago
@anaplastic it's a shame really, nazi germany and russia are brothers, it is USA that we should have repellled. look at our homeland now under nato rule? let USA burn.
EnjoiThrowdown 3 weeks ago
@anaplastic no, they didn't.
ArTofPvT 2 weeks ago
@anaplastic
lost 20+ million.
and the nazis lost the war cause of Romania.
with the Romanians on their side the war could go on for another 6 months enough time for Hitler to finish the V1 and V2 rockets....but our King betrayed us and went on the communist side aka Sold us to the devil. ;))
SetisX81 2 weeks ago
@anaplastic Actually the British Empire & the USA also had something to do with it - without whom the Soviets would have been completely smashed.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128 Ah. Yes. They gave the Soviets corned beef, some weapons, and some money.
beaverswedish 2 weeks ago
@beaverswedish Thats right: they kept the Soviets supplied through the Arctic convoys at great cost to themselves in men & ships; sacrificed their lives & resources bombing Germany to destroy their ability to fight the Soviets; suffered & died in huge numbers fighting the Axis in North Africa, Italy, France the Netherlands Germany, Czechoslovakia, the Balkans & the far East.
Britain sacrificed its World Empire to that cause. The Soviets owed their survival to the British & Americans.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128 What you're saying is, millions of Soviets died for nothing, Stalinism, the horrid thing, rose for no good reason and that Russia should kneel and kiss Britains ass? No, not going to happen.
ComradeOfHouse 2 weeks ago
@ComradeOfHouse If you want to kiss anybodies ass it should be the USA !! The supplied most of the material that kept you alive.
Tralgit 2 weeks ago
@Tralgit I agree - but bear in mind that the USA was the only country to emerge from WW2 having made a profit & increased its economic power, prestige & prosperity, with the rest of the world in its debt (a massive turnabout since the depression of the 1930's).
So massive was the economic cost of WW2 to Britain that it took until the year 2008 to pay off its debts to the USA.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128 The " war bonds " was the way to pay for the war, I don't know when they were paid in full by the US government. Joe Sixpack paid at the end for it.
Tralgit 2 weeks ago
@Tralgit Joe Sixpack always pays in every country. In USA people bought 'War Bonds' in UK they were called 'Postwar Credits' (same thing) - they were never paid in full.
To finance 'Lend Lease' Britain sold off massive assets (Mining, Oil, Industries, Railways etc) in Latin America & Asia & transferred various island colonies to USA.
In the latter '40's Britain made further Massive Borrowings from the USA to finance post-war reconstruction having suffered greatly from German bombing.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128 Yep, the UK never fully recovered from WW II, for the rest of Europe there was the " Marshall plan ", to finance the recovery and prevent it from falling into " Red " .
Tralgit 2 weeks ago
@Tralgit the bonds paid for 2 things: first they pumped insane amounts of cash into american industry which would switch to car, airplanes companies after the war providing tons of jobs and increasing USA export capacity. secondly the USA literally gave billions and billions to every country in Europe besides russia be they were afraid of communist uprisings in destabalized western culture
phone8667250 1 week ago
@phone8667250 Yep, they learned from WW I, the treaty of Versailles, it brought Germany to its knees and made the rise of Adolf Hitler possible.
Tralgit 1 week ago
@freeman8128 ...? The CCCP emerged from WW2 as a superpower as well. Are you even listening to the song?
ArTofPvT 2 weeks ago
@ArTofPvT I have known the song all my life & USSR from the end of WW2 until USSR collapsed - before you were born
Like other combatant European countries (England & Germany) USSR emerged from WW2 with its infrastructure severely damaged but a need to play the part of a superpower in spite of the economic realities. This was achieved by a combination of severe austerities, asset stripping from occupied former enemies, forced labour & bluff.
However, this was not sustainable & the USSR collapsed
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freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@ComradeOfHouse That's what YOU are saying.
The Russians also owe a massive debt to CANADA; for the Canadian contribution to their survival.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128 I am Canadian, and no, that is not what should happen, that is not what is ever going to happen to anybody.
You've failed to understand that this war is absolutely horrid, and should not have happened, and in this time we all helped eachother out, we don't owe anything to anybody by defending ourselves.
@Tralgit Nobody is going to kiss anybodies ass, stop being so arrogant
ComradeOfHouse 2 weeks ago
@ComradeOfHouse Those of us who have first hand experience of war understand rather better than you do that EVERY war is absolutely horrid.
WW2 was necessary to save Freedom, Justice, Reason & Democracy from Nazism & its allies. It might have been avoided if the Free World had stood up to Nazism & Fascism earlier instead of the foolish attempt at appeasement which only encouraged these evils.
The Free world is in danger today from 'Islamofascism': making the same errors may lead to catastrophe
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128 dude why don't these people get it? it's like just pick up a god damn history book it's there for everyone to see. finally someone you can make a solid point without it being full of holes
phone8667250 1 week ago
@anaplastic hell i could fight a whole Reich with music like this behind my back
JAEitler 2 weeks ago 24
@JAEitler like this
TheSoviet13 1 week ago
@JAEitler
But the losses would be terrible! For one of us died about 13 Russians!
We had 1 300 000 Russians fighting under the German flag, cause the communists were truly bad and they liked better to get treated like persons and to smash the communism.
FettererBaer 1 week ago
@FettererBaer Give me proof for that statistic and stop sounding like a dumbass.
bnik98 1 week ago
@bnik98
Well!
In the whole WWII died about 13 600 000 sowjet soldiers
In the whole WWII died about 4 200 000 german soldiers
The german soldiers were having this losses not only at the eastern front!
(about 2 500 000)
The statistik 1 to 13 was correct at the begin of the war. Later it changed to the total of: one German to five soviet soldiers.
FettererBaer 1 week ago
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apocalypticmadman 1 week ago
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@FettererBaer 80% of German casualties were in the Eastern front, and those figures include millions of soviet pow killed in nazi camps. Also, those figures do noy include Romanian, Hungarian and Finnish casualties on the axis side
apocalypticmadman 1 week ago
@FettererBaer yea but the russians you we're talking about were also murdered by 'you'. hanged, shot, raped, beaten, burned, gassed, worked and starved to death in camps (not only jew but POWs also), tortured, frozen, blown to peices, and generally butchered by 'your' war machine that was based upon utterly horrid and disgusting ideology calling itself national SOCIALISM, as a result of being thrashed in the great war
COD4K1LLER 1 week ago
@COD4K1LLER
Well, but you and I, know that the Russions committed larger genocides than our people.
For example of about 90 000 - 100 000 POW from Stalingrad came only 6 000 back.
The biggest ethnic cleaning in history was in the german east, committed by communists (15 000 000 People killed, raped or driven away). You are right, that russian POW got killed in a hight number, but they died mostly because they had no food (equal to the german POWs).
FettererBaer 1 week ago
@COD4K1LLER
The national socialism started committing genocides not before there were dying lots of german soldiers. And genocides were in Germany never legal and secret!
The commies murdered always and in bigger numbers...
What ideology is more disgusting and evil?!
FettererBaer 1 week ago
@FettererBaer depending upon ones perspective and class, but at the root and purest form, communism/socialism, because it is based upon equality for all workers, where as national socialism is based upon and the survival of the fittest you could say, and that the rulers of earth were the aryans, and htath te slavs were 'sub-human'. However the stalinist soviet union was highly corrupt and totalitarian, almost, but not quite as equally as disgusting as "illegal" murder by gas
COD4K1LLER 1 week ago
@COD4K1LLER
The national socialism did never want (the aryans) to rule the earth. The word "master-race" was invented by the americans, to do atrocity propaganda...
The sowjets killed more russians and ukrainians before the war, than the germans through it... I can not find a murder better, that happened by hunger than killing by gas!
Who would you kill more easily? Someone related to you but rich or someone not related to you, no matter if he has got money? Thats the difference between
FettererBaer 1 week ago
@FettererBaer unfortunately i cannot understand what you are talknig about wholy in that last comment, however, yes it is based upon Aryan Supremecy, please do not confuse national sosialism with fascism, yes fascism was not based upon that, much like how even though socialism did not include such corruption that soviet communism had. Also, there was enough food for prisoners also, that is why so few western allied POWs did not starve to death, the the Soviet POWs were
COD4K1LLER 6 days ago
@COD4K1LLER
1)
I speak from the national socialism and I know the difference to the fascism. (I'm studying history at the university of Graz) And I assure you, that the Germans never wanted to rule the world, or something like that...
In the east our own soldiers died because of the loss of food, so we gave the POWs not the food but our national comrades. In this territory our supplies didn't work so well. In the west, they did. Of course it would have been our duty to treat them better.
FettererBaer 6 days ago
@FettererBaer You are either idiot or liar. Not to know that many Russian POWs in 1941 were shot at once can only idiot. The rest was practically starved in short time, while Nazi had plenty of food, stolen in occupied territory. But the civilian had to starve, cuz all food was stolen. In the first days of occupation many Russian, as well as Polish lands were given to Germans to own and the peasants were given them as slaves. Many farmers in Germany had slaves from Poland etc.
fiorAvanti1917 6 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917
Forced labour from polish and russian people happened.
The civilians died because of the scorched earth tactic of the commies!
Our army had n o t enough supplies - I wish it had...
FettererBaer 6 days ago
@FettererBaer Come here and our elder people will tell you were you got your supplies and how many of them. I30 000 is the number of ALL scum in Wehrmacht uniform that called themselves Russians. As for Paulus. Anyone can see in what condition these Germans were when they surrendered, and anyone can see that to the West of Stalingrad were Germans, to the East is Siberia. Take a guess were POWs were sent? Who is guilty that they went so far and starved before taken POWs?
fiorAvanti1917 5 days ago
@FettererBaer Only for some Western idiot shooting of officers, communists, commissars and Jews at once was innocent joke. It was considerable part of Soviet Army. And the remaining soldiers envied the dead when they got to KZ.
fiorAvanti1917 5 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917
I like the russian Nation, and I know it suffered much more through the communism than through the national socialism.
I repeat that killing commissars is a crime, but the crimes committed by the Red Army were more terrible.
The german POWs died in very high numbers! Just like the russian POWs...
I can't see any difference between that.
You could try to ask a historian, or go to a university-library. I suggest the entry is free.
FettererBaer 5 days ago
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@FettererBaer Главная разница в том, что немецких нацистов в Россию никто не звал. Они пришли на чужую землю с захватнической целью.
Или факт нападения гитлеровской Германии на Советский Союз - советская пропаганда, по-вашему мнению?
The main difference is in that no one called the German nazis in Russia. They came to a strange land with aggressive goal.
Or hitler's Germany attacked the Soviet Union was not the fact but was only the ill fantasy of soviet propaganda, in your opinion?
BetelgeuseMy 3 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917
Interesting might be, that "liberated" russian POWs were punished and often condemned to death/ working to death in concentration camps called gulags, because for Red Army soldiers it was forbidden to surrender. The faith in German captivity was often better than getting liberated by the own army...
FettererBaer 5 days ago
@FettererBaer It seems I explained why the German POWs of Paulus and only Paulus died. You have not to object here. All others returned home and built GDR, pain in your ass for decades. You don't have to search long for the crimes of your forefathers, come here in Russia and read in each village the names on the graveyards. That's hard for me to prove Western idiot that liberated POWs , 90% of them were set free after a month.
fiorAvanti1917 5 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917
Well it is obvious that you truly believe the sowjet propaganda.
You "explained" nothing, you claimed something not true!
I didn't deny that my forefathers committed crimes, I just said, that the sowjet ones were much more horrible.
Your statement approaching the historians is so stupid that I'm not going to comment it at all - it speaks for itself.
Meanwhile I don't hope you will see reason. Maybe we should end this "dialog", it seems senseless to me.
FettererBaer 4 days ago
@FettererBaer Had you some brains you'd understand that the one who is programmed is you. Everything you know, you are taught by your "historians". What I know is not only manuals, it is experience of the generations of my father and my grandfathers. Your crimes is on graveyards in any of our cities, our crimes are only in your minds. If there were millions of victims, should I know at least one relative of one of them personally?
fiorAvanti1917 4 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917 Clearly your family has a long history of supporting the regime.
There's a reason why some of the best phyiscal photo and historical document editing techniques are from Russia.
AAliasW 4 days ago
@AAliasW You'll laugh, but there is NO family that hadn't long history of supporting regime. Even these who now claim the opposite. Ever heard that word "democracy"? When the people supports the government not because it is pressed to, but because the people builds a government?
fiorAvanti1917 3 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917 Right, democrasy, right, sweet dreams
Artemis1184 3 days ago
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@AAliasW С удовольствием поговорил бы с Вами о том, как, кем и почему сегодня редактируются архивные документы. Но до того было бы неплохо, чтобы Вы дали Ваше определение употребленного Вами термина "regime".
Would be happy to talk with you about how, by whom and why today archival documents are edited. But before it would be nice that you would gave Your definition the term "regime", which You used .
BetelgeuseMy 3 days ago
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fiorAvanti1917 3 days ago
@FettererBaer if you took ALL the crimes of all russians since before Czarist times up to now and added them, they wouldnt even half equal the holocaust! your argument is done.
ussr1cccp 2 days ago
@ussr1cccp
HAHAHA!
FettererBaer 2 days ago
@ussr1cccp you sure don't know a lot about Russian History then
Stargate404 1 day ago
@Stargate404 I suppose you learned Russian History from CNN and BBC...
ROHALAST 1 day ago 4
@Stargate404 give me examples of anything worse than the holocaust commited by russia? pogroms probably came the closest but even that is dwarfed in comparison to the holocaust
ussr1cccp 1 day ago
@ussr1cccp Holodomor..
pedroissler 1 day ago
@pedroissler Классовая борьба внутри страны между гражданами этой страны не по национальному признаку.
Холокост ... сами понимаете.
А что будем делать с современными холокостами со стороны капитализма и его блоков?
BetelgeuseMy 1 day ago
@BetelgeuseMy Imbeciles like you somehow manage to link Holocaust=jews= settlers in Golan Heights and start using the three terms interchangeably.
pedroissler 22 hours ago
@pedroissler Ненормальный здесь Вы, если голодомор и коллективизацию связали с холокостом, применив термин "холокост" в вашем узколобом западном варианте, то есть связали голодомор и коллективизацию с уничтожением евреев.
BetelgeuseMy 16 hours ago
@BetelgeuseMy it's like I don't want to discuss with you because I haven't got the time and because I'm pretty sure you're wrong
pedroissler 11 hours ago
@pedroissler Уходящему с концами - золотой мост. По крайней мере вы изобразили нам способ уходить от разгрома в споре.
Будьте благополучны. :)
The outgoing forever has the right to the golden bridge. At least you have shown for us that you have a way of going from the imminent defeat in a dispute.
Be well. :)
BetelgeuseMy 1 hour ago
@ussr1cccp Collectivizations..
pedroissler 1 day ago
@ussr1cccp I'd call Stalin killing around 20 million Russians during his time as leader and nearly wiping out his military during the Great Purge as pretty bad
Stargate404 23 hours ago
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Stargate404 23 hours ago
@ussr1cccp Russians lost loads but loads of people in the war, they didn't kill half of what they actually lost...
Westiees 1 day ago
@Westiees Назовите страну, в которой человек, отказывающийся соблюдать конституцию, не признается уголовником. Назовите страну, в которой уголовникам пряники раздают, а не сажают в тюрьму или на электрический стул, или не делают смертельную инъекцию.
BetelgeuseMy 1 day ago
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BetelgeuseMy 1 day ago
@FettererBaer Yes, the killing of comissars, Jews, Communists, starving civilians is a crime. But even bigger crime commit every day your so called historians. They kill each day more and more Soviet people. Each day these who went out to rob and to kill feel ever better, because these 'historians' washed them clean, accusing in all crimes the people and the power that liberated the world from brown pest.
fiorAvanti1917 5 days ago
@FettererBaer You are 'slightly' mistaken. Not 1 300 000, but 130 000. And don't lie where you can be easily caught on lie. Most of German POWs survived and returned to Germany. I do admit, that plenty of soldiers of Paulus army starved, but they starved before they were taken prisoners.
fiorAvanti1917 6 days ago
@fiorAvanti1917
You mean the "Russian Liberation Army"! It was built not until november 1944.
Russians joined the Germans of course before in high numbers!
From the last 90 000 - 100 000 soldiers of Paulus (all POW) only 6000 came back to Germany. This numbers are - sad to say - arguably representative.
In the shootings from POWs 1941, died mainly political commissar. Of course that was not ok, but normal soldiers were not harmed.