Absolutley stunning ride. He said in video he went from small ring lowest grear, say 39 x 25 to 12th gear. To go to 53 x 13, astounding on a such a gradient. Don't know the final 5kms of La Plagne, but I'd guess its 8 - 10% gradient. This is the moment he won the Tour and broke Delgado. Its no wonder he was in oxygen debt at the end of the stage. He must have been doing 25km/h or more and pushing a giant 53 x 14/13 gear in his pursuit of Delgado. Brilliant Tour victory by a great Irish athlete.
Stephen Roche was a good pro, and great TT rider, but theres no way he would have won the Tour de France in '87 if Lemond had not been in that horrible hunting accident.
@macdonaldjohnd Roche was on fire all year: Paris Nice, Liege, Giro, Tour, Worlds. Plus he was good enough to beat Delgado, good enough to beat Lemond. Nothing agaisnt Lemond, it's just you don't know your cycling.
....amazing, i remember watching that with my family on the Channel 4 programme at 6 oclock. I still get goosebumps when Phil asks who it is whos just come round the corner. '87 tour must go down as one of the best......with 1989 too.
kimmage pissed me off because he made a comparrison to lance and cancer...I myself dont like lance..and he wont be taken down because he is a cash cow..between his sponcers and things he generates alot...id love to see him go down but he wont...now kimmage, to use cancer or to even suggest it is bad...I know what he was trying to say but he picked poor words in saying it..
Two phenominal cyclists, both on and off the bike.
Speaking just to Roche........., I always appreciated his determination and never, ever a word of complaint...., unlike a certain countryman who bitched about everything and everyone in the peloton.
Thanx Stephen and Pedro........, you both did it so right.
Your talking through your rear end....the drug roche is alleged to have taken did not even exist in 1987...be careful what you say...there are liable laws !!
I agree that radios have taken the tactical element, an important one, out of the sport. You can hear from Roche that he was deciding himself how to play this climb. No he would be controlled by his team boss. Faster, slower, change gear now etc
Indeed, procycling mag I think, said much the same when they listed this clip in a recent issue. They said Evans might have won the Tour had he done the same at Plateau de Beille last year, instead of trying to stay with Contador & Rasmussen.
I know. I was kicking myself after that last mountain stage. If he hadn't tried so hard to stay with Rasmussen and Contador he could have hitched a ride with Sastre or Leipheimer. Instead he chased, blew, and got dropped by everyone else in the top 5.
No se cree nadie que no hicieras nada para acercarte a Perico. Toda la ascensión fuiste parado, y en 500 metros eliminaste la distancia que te sacaba. Delgado...otra de las jugadas de los organizadores del Tour...
if you can`t move the arms, the legs., you r nearly to death .. ... fullero mierdero, no te lo crees ni tú, haberte muerto, listo! Y si Contador me recuerda un poco a Perico, va para fenómeno;)
Thats not really accurate.. he tested positive during the Tour for Probenicid.. a"masking" agent that was banned by other cycling entities, but was not by the UCI at the time.. Since ben outlawed. NO reason to have that in your system bu to mask some form of doping..
My friend, there was ONE reason: probenecide was a medicine and Delgado ASKED FOR PERMISSION to UCI, but Tour organizers and UCI was in war then. Delgado should take it one entire week to mask doping, but it doesn´t appear in any other test after, and he passes one every day because he was the leader.
Excuse me my friend... he DID test positive for Probenicide. It was a case of one outlawed it and the other didn't. The fact is.. there is NO reason to have that in your system except to act as a masking agent...
It wasnt a mistake.. It was a case of Probenicide being banned by other cycling entities and Olympics, but not the UCI at the time. He got out of the jam due to that and not that he wasnt doping...
Well Angus, so you finally recognice Delgado was not positive ("but not the UCI at the time"), so I insist, Probenecide as masking agent should be used during 10-15 days in a row, and Delgado only used it ONE day. Why the Societé Tour de France director and the road director was expulsed after this Tour? Delgado was so powerful? No. In the Societé Tour de France there was many people ashamed due to his dirty behaviour. Read the entire case after talk again.
i was 14 when this happend...ill never foret it..i miss those days...when i comepare then to now i feel empty inside..im greatful i grew up in the golden age of cycling
Roche fue un tramposo. Hizo la parodia del oxígeno para que lo evacuaran en helicóptero y recuperarse varias horas antes que Delgado que estuvo varias horas atendiendo a los medios y a la organización.
I remember Magee's commentary. He'd heard that Roche was motoring and wasn't surprised to see him cross the line. Ligget hadn't heard about this, and he ended up giving the better commentary that better captured the excitement of what had just happened.
Absolutley stunning ride. He said in video he went from small ring lowest grear, say 39 x 25 to 12th gear. To go to 53 x 13, astounding on a such a gradient. Don't know the final 5kms of La Plagne, but I'd guess its 8 - 10% gradient. This is the moment he won the Tour and broke Delgado. Its no wonder he was in oxygen debt at the end of the stage. He must have been doing 25km/h or more and pushing a giant 53 x 14/13 gear in his pursuit of Delgado. Brilliant Tour victory by a great Irish athlete.
raparee100 3 months ago
thanks for the clip. love it.
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jamestargetedindiv 6 months ago
i saw this stage live
in 1987
and it will stay with me
till you
know when
ibanitza 10 months ago 2
Excellent stuff and lovely to see - and hear - Hugh McIllvaney too
fulhamrobadob 1 year ago
great vid thnx a lot
gemapa6 1 year ago
Great stuff, what a tough bastard
DKP4 1 year ago 2
Epic battle. Two real giants fighting to death. This is cycling
ddfeim 1 year ago
Brilliant video!Thanks for this.
chipper30uk 1 year ago
Stephen Roche was a good pro, and great TT rider, but theres no way he would have won the Tour de France in '87 if Lemond had not been in that horrible hunting accident.
macdonaldjohnd 1 year ago
@macdonaldjohnd Roche was on fire all year: Paris Nice, Liege, Giro, Tour, Worlds. Plus he was good enough to beat Delgado, good enough to beat Lemond. Nothing agaisnt Lemond, it's just you don't know your cycling.
slickedmachine 1 year ago
@slickedmachine Sean Kelly was world number 1. Roche is Irelands 2nd best cyclist!
dan32113 7 months ago
Feats like this multiply cycling nuts around the world. Cheers from Colombia-south America.
MauricioBarrera1 1 year ago
....amazing, i remember watching that with my family on the Channel 4 programme at 6 oclock. I still get goosebumps when Phil asks who it is whos just come round the corner. '87 tour must go down as one of the best......with 1989 too.
beats8 1 year ago
EPIC!
haikutee 2 years ago
kimmage pissed me off because he made a comparrison to lance and cancer...I myself dont like lance..and he wont be taken down because he is a cash cow..between his sponcers and things he generates alot...id love to see him go down but he wont...now kimmage, to use cancer or to even suggest it is bad...I know what he was trying to say but he picked poor words in saying it..
sprintbass 2 years ago
Two phenominal cyclists, both on and off the bike.
Speaking just to Roche........., I always appreciated his determination and never, ever a word of complaint...., unlike a certain countryman who bitched about everything and everyone in the peloton.
Thanx Stephen and Pedro........, you both did it so right.
equinoxranch 2 years ago
are you talking about kimmage?
sprintbass 2 years ago
AndyShell catch yourself on you knob..
BigPatMcBanton 2 years ago
Your talking through your rear end....the drug roche is alleged to have taken did not even exist in 1987...be careful what you say...there are liable laws !!
primaeclasses 2 years ago 12
Well said mate Stephen Roche is my ultimate hero.Paul Kimmage is an Asshole loser !
chipper30uk 2 years ago
I agree that radios have taken the tactical element, an important one, out of the sport. You can hear from Roche that he was deciding himself how to play this climb. No he would be controlled by his team boss. Faster, slower, change gear now etc
DaveS63 3 years ago
too many robots nowadays in cycling. Radios have taken the spirit of thinking out of the race in so many ways.
phlakaton 3 years ago
roche the best rider by far that year
velovie34 3 years ago
roche..the best rider by far that year
velovie34 3 years ago 3
Perico the best
PepeMV1971 3 years ago 8
I don't agree Ovidiu- Roche won the tour by being the best time-trialer.. Delgado had to improve on this before he could win a tour.
micklee2604 3 years ago
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A day of shame or how the cars made Roche win the Tour. Delgado deserved it much more.
OvidiuStinga 3 years ago
Sour Grapes my friend
impartial67 3 years ago
This interview shows how smart Roche's tactics were that day. This is perhaps the finest example of brains beating brawn in recent Tour history.
sjl62 3 years ago 5
Indeed, procycling mag I think, said much the same when they listed this clip in a recent issue. They said Evans might have won the Tour had he done the same at Plateau de Beille last year, instead of trying to stay with Contador & Rasmussen.
Matteomjb 3 years ago
I know. I was kicking myself after that last mountain stage. If he hadn't tried so hard to stay with Rasmussen and Contador he could have hitched a ride with Sastre or Leipheimer. Instead he chased, blew, and got dropped by everyone else in the top 5.
sjl62 3 years ago
regarding Evans, you'll remember it was not a devastating attack indeed at some stages Evans looked the strongest and the others might crack.
I feel he was out foxed by Johan Bruneel there.
McBinary 3 years ago
i'll remember that stage
and that day
for ever and ever!
haikutee 3 years ago
same here was one of the most dramatic tour stages ever
McBinary 3 years ago
Perico,eres el segoviano más grande de la historia,y sin ayudarte nunca de los coches
jvelascogomez 3 years ago 2
Kewlios
lesmcluffalot 3 years ago
This is the 2nd greatest tour in the 80's (after 89) What courage. What a fight on La Plagne.
chris14091975 4 years ago
One of the great tour moments of all time. There must be a clip on here somewhere with Liggett's original commentary, which is hilarious.
owenpetard 4 years ago
No se cree nadie que no hicieras nada para acercarte a Perico. Toda la ascensión fuiste parado, y en 500 metros eliminaste la distancia que te sacaba. Delgado...otra de las jugadas de los organizadores del Tour...
vaumat 4 years ago 3
brilliant clip
WhiteyRFC 4 years ago
if you can`t move the arms, the legs., you r nearly to death .. ... fullero mierdero, no te lo crees ni tú, haberte muerto, listo! Y si Contador me recuerda un poco a Perico, va para fenómeno;)
makukax 4 years ago
these were the greatest years of the tdf
simoncbr900rr 4 years ago
For penyacuriel , what's worst, drafting support cars or doping like Delgado ?
eatsandsleeps 4 years ago
Delgado never doped, smartass. It was proven that there was a mistake during the tests.
Sour grapes, I guess...
back2back75 2 years ago
Thats not really accurate.. he tested positive during the Tour for Probenicid.. a"masking" agent that was banned by other cycling entities, but was not by the UCI at the time.. Since ben outlawed. NO reason to have that in your system bu to mask some form of doping..
angus4463 2 years ago
My friend, there was ONE reason: probenecide was a medicine and Delgado ASKED FOR PERMISSION to UCI, but Tour organizers and UCI was in war then. Delgado should take it one entire week to mask doping, but it doesn´t appear in any other test after, and he passes one every day because he was the leader.
ermigue 2 years ago
Excuse me my friend... he DID test positive for Probenicide. It was a case of one outlawed it and the other didn't. The fact is.. there is NO reason to have that in your system except to act as a masking agent...
angus4463 2 years ago
I bet Pedro did not know it was not banned and he was very very lucky to get away with it
WELLBRAN 2 years ago
It wasnt a mistake.. It was a case of Probenicide being banned by other cycling entities and Olympics, but not the UCI at the time. He got out of the jam due to that and not that he wasnt doping...
angus4463 2 years ago
Well Angus, so you finally recognice Delgado was not positive ("but not the UCI at the time"), so I insist, Probenecide as masking agent should be used during 10-15 days in a row, and Delgado only used it ONE day. Why the Societé Tour de France director and the road director was expulsed after this Tour? Delgado was so powerful? No. In the Societé Tour de France there was many people ashamed due to his dirty behaviour. Read the entire case after talk again.
ermigue 2 years ago
Roche en el 87...muy bueno. No os recuerda Contador a Perico? Veremos..
luisepunto 4 years ago
Magnifique. Les meilleusr moments du cyclisme avant ces années 90 avec les robots du vélo.
fasovent 4 years ago
Brilliant.
Hugh McIllvanney is the interviewer. And the incomparable live commentary from Phil and Paul on Ch4.
Thank you so much for posting this clip.
Walthamstow19 4 years ago
Great footage! It's hard to find TDF stuff from the 80's these days...
ElChristo007 4 years ago
i was 14 when this happend...ill never foret it..i miss those days...when i comepare then to now i feel empty inside..im greatful i grew up in the golden age of cycling
sprintbass 4 years ago
Estoy contigo NOELHM, menudo individuo.
Roche going up taken to the cars, the big irish cheater!!
SIEMPRE PERICO!!
penyacuriel 5 years ago
a superhuman effort from roche, 87 was truely his year, thanks for the vid
LEE211272 5 years ago
Roche fue un tramposo. Hizo la parodia del oxígeno para que lo evacuaran en helicóptero y recuperarse varias horas antes que Delgado que estuvo varias horas atendiendo a los medios y a la organización.
Noelhm 5 years ago 2
excellent roche was all class
qprcanada 5 years ago
best tour ever.Would love to hear Jimmy Magee's commentary.
davykev 5 years ago
I remember Magee's commentary. He'd heard that Roche was motoring and wasn't surprised to see him cross the line. Ligget hadn't heard about this, and he ended up giving the better commentary that better captured the excitement of what had just happened.
eamonnca1 4 years ago
@davykev no tanks, just infantry.
davidoffon 2 years ago
nice, thanks matteo.
sheppezz 5 years ago