Everyone knows that the dems are getting in no matter what....they could have monkey as the dem nominee and it would get in. This is why Hillary is fightng so hard, cause it will be a cakewalk for the dems this year. Obama is the better choice of the two...Hillary says whatever she wants to convince you and she will do that to the people when she gets in. Obama may be different...which is the best u can ask for in this two party system.
Different how? How is Obama any different than all the rest lying, 2-faced politicians? He isn't "different." He's the same as all the rest, just a little darker, that's all.
Leave my tongue out of this..... as for big business...it did exist back in the day....and they got away with alot more too....People have to continue to fight for their rights, always...or ele ppl lose em.
Well for starters he has built a true grass roots campaign and not taken a dime from Lobbyists or PACs. No lobbyists in his campaign. He sends back donations from anybody who even works for a lobbyist.
Today he told the DNC that THEY will no longer take money from Lobbyists or PACS.
This is a source that says Puerto Rico IS winner takes all.
Washington Post
The Fact Checker
By Michael Dobbs
" "Puerto Rico comes at the end....It is a winner-take-all primary, 63 delegates at stake, a bigger margin for the winner than in California, New York, Illinois. So this thing could be settled by Puerto Rico."
--New York Times columnist David Brooks, PBS News Hour, Feb. 6, 2008. "
Projected numbers after the primaries, including super delegates, without Mi. & Fl., and giving Obama an edge
If she wins PR by 13 points, which is at least listed in the latest poll that they can get from them, and assuming lol, that they allocate super delegates evenly....
....If they split MO & SD evenly, which they are expected to do, and assuming lol, that they allocate super delegates evenly.
The only way he can reach the "magic number"(2026), or better, would be to barely get it by a hair, and get it by getting an unfair amount of super delegates.
....She would cut down on his delegate lead by about 20%, and narrowing the percentage lead to under 3%, and she might retake the super delegate lead again, if by just a few. Then she would claim the popular vote for sure.
So they could average out almost between the delegates and super delegates, then she breaks the tie with the popular vote.....
but the american people are intelligent enough to know the difference......buwwhhaahahahahaha....I am so glad i am not an american....bush sucks...and now mcain/mr magoo...
Obama pulled a fast one and tried to have two whole states taken from her. He cried that they voted early, and that she left her name on the ballots. Three other states weren't punished for voting early, and he DID leave his name on the ballot in Florida, and ran campaign sds in Michigan. The whole thing was a hypocrisy.
As you can see on my post below, he still can't reach 2026, unless the super delegates are so biased that it becomes painfuly obvious.
So she can take the argument to become the nominee to the DNC, by explaining that she has won most of the larger and battleground states and swing votes.
She has more experience, doesn't run from a fight, and none of the racist or elitist baggage.
Then he got a bloc vote by blacks, you make up your own mind on that if that is racist or not. Then he got the rich white guilt vote. He also got the college vote, because they think he's "cool", y&b. Last but not least, Republican voters were voting for him in the primaries to get him in the general election against McCain, because they know he's the weaker candidate. Then they will turn around in the general election and vote for McCain. Haven't you been keeping up with any of this stuff ?
• Projected numbers after the primaries, including super delegates, without Mi. & Fl., and giving Obama an edge
If she wins PR by 13 points, which is at least listed in the latest poll that they can get from them, and assuming lol, that they allocate super delegates evenly.
If they split MO & SD evenly, which they are expected to do, and assuming lol, that they allocate super delegates evenly.
the elections have all been fixed but she will be gone and as a veteran lets really check the mental health of mcain he will be aother yes man in dc and your part of the problem you lobby for corpration so i have no use for your comments i live in florida and we are in this state well aware of what happens with both parties
i'm sayin this objectively.its not fair people attacking her cos of her sex.so also obama cos of his race.I DONT LIKE HILLARY COS SHE IS STILL IN THE NOMINATION RACE COS SHE WANTS TO FORCE OBAMA TO MAKE HER THE VP.SHE WANTS TO HOLD POOR OBAMA TO RANSOM,DIVIDING THE PARTY BETWEEN BLUE COLAR,WOMEN,EDUCATED,RED STATES ETC JUST TO ARM TWIST THE VP POSITION.IF OBAMA FALLS INTO HER TRAP,I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT TICKET
It's obvious that the Repubs want to run against barky and I know that the DNC doesn't like Hillary because they can't control her and she'll do exactly what she says she'll do if elected, but I'm not sure about the two parties being in cahoots. I think they both want to win.. they're just so freaking lame.
This is embarassing. This guy obviously knows nothing about American politics. Michael Dukakis' "mental health" problems? Geez, I guess those have somehow remained unearthed for the last 20 years, until now. Even this guy doesn't say what they actually are.
Then this amazing whopper: "Clinton is 5 times more likely than Barack Obama to win the general election". REALLY? Where's that poll? Every single poll out there shows Obama beating McCain by larger margins than Clinton.
This has been clear from the beginning. Obama is a pawn in a Republican Chess game. Those who haven't been around long enough, and who aren't critically examining things (that doesn't mean criticism Hillary in a sexist tirade), and those who are pumped up on the hypnotic thought-suspending marketing and evangelical hype surrounding Obama, will be made irrationally angry by this reality. We're challenging their drug.
Hillary is the one who can beat the Bush Machine. Hillary '08!
Also, more Clinton Supporters than obama supporters have said they will switch partys if she isn't nominated. That means McCain will get the majority of her votes, and that's after a lot of his votes were set up by conservitives to get him in the general election so they can switch and defeat him. Outside of the black bloc vote, a few rich white guilty vote, and a few college kids who just think he's the latest fad, he can't carry enough support to win a general election. McCain will beat him.
Oh ... SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ... More Clinton supporters will not support a Democrat Presidential Nominees after what the Republicans have done to this country since 1980 and if it's not Clinton?
And you say that her votes will go to "McSame"
You're a total moron!
And a retarded Wacked Out White Trash Feminist.
What do you psychopaths want the damn Clintons to run this country for the rest of their lives or something?
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting what the polls say, and even what the media has been recently reporting. Personally, I won't vote for either candidate, but maybe a lot of Hillary supporters rtealize that McCain isn't as far right as Obama is far left. This is where a lot of the middle of the road swing voters come in at, a a hard working middle America demographic that Obama just can't seem to connect with.
To call working and middle class Americans bigots is wrong, ignorant, and snobbish. To ignore Obamas insults toward these people, his association with black bigots, and his sexist "sweety" remarks toward women while you lebel people bigots and sexist is hypocritical. In the recent past, blacks and liberals alike acted like the Clintons were God, now too many of them jump ship as soon as a person with dark skin walks into the room. What's up with that ?
You over simplify everthing due to labels also. If you you were to look at where McCain stands on issues, except for the war mainly, you will see that he is liberal for someone that is running as a Republican, so much so that a lot of right wingers actually hate him. And Obama has announced his loyalty to Israel, and vowed to "protect" them. So don't be so foolish into thinking he won't find an excuse to keep troops over there to secure the oil, especially in the times we are in now....
Let's remind people that she has won the 7 out of 8 states with 10 million or more population, except Illinois of course. She won the swing votes, and she won more of what they call the "battle ground states".
Obama typically runs from a debate, so how do you suppose he's going to do in the general election ? Also he is inexperienced, carrying scandals on his back, AND can't carry those important states in a primary, much less a general election.
Name the 7 out of 8 states with more than 10 million population?
You're counting Florida & Michigan when they don't count! PERIOD! This is a useless argument with you losers!
What Debates? The last ABC's debate, where Clinton's surrogate News Broadcasters brought up Flag Pins and total BS. Let remind you, Rev Wright has been to Bill Clinton's White House on three different occasion.
Tony, you sound like one of those Ron Paul conspirator types. The Clintons & Bushs are the ultimate crime families and the intelligent americans know this to be fact. The Clintons & Bushs followers are unfortunate minions too blind to open their eyes to what is taking place. The Democratic Party's problem is the FEMINIST turning the Democrat's into a bunch of damn PUSSIES! For 30-40 we've been trying to put these C's back where they belong, and Hillary is their last chance for another resurgence
After you come off as a hypocrite who over simplfies everything, yoou have the nerve to call someone else a moron. It really scares me to think that people like you are out here voting, and making decisions on such important events, based on what the media and system has brainwashed you into believing. You are a lemming.
Ron Paul is NOT a conspirator, he speaks the truth and if you'd open your eyes you'd see he's right. So don't play him off as crazy when you don't even understand what he's saying.
Isn't hypocritical when blacks or liberal cry conspiracy all the time, but call middle American whites nut cases when they question the government. I suppose whites and the working class don't have a right or any reason to question authority, according to the rich elitist snobs, blacks and the extreme left.
As compared to obama ? Come on, if a white candidate would have been caught up in the scandals he was, he/she would have faced a massive protest. The whole thing is hypocritical, no ifs, ands, or buts, and the Republicans will use every bit of it against him if he gets nominated. If Hillary isn't nominated, then it's going to be another four years with a Republican. I just love how obama fans over simplify everything.
What's happening is conservatives have been voting for him in the primaries to try to get him nominated, and they will switch over to McCain in the general election. Then they will say look at how those liberals are, they turned on each other, and look at how blacks became biased and backstabbed someone that has kiss their butt for years for a newcomer with dark skin. People have fallen into the trap, and if they don't wake up and nominate her, McCain will take the election. Bet on it.
I'm afraid of the same thing. Is there some way to unveil Barack Obama's $400-million campaign financing would mostly be coming from Republicans or the pro-Wall Street types? Wasn't it the same thing that happened in 2004, I immediately thought John Kerry was much weaker then Howard Dean to beat the Republicans. So to me it was obvious that the media and that dirty tricks in Iowa were used.
states and the swing votes. She took a hard to sway swing state, a large one at that by about 10 points. She took Indiana(a win is a win), and it was in his back door. She lost North Carolina, but she cut his original lead to under 50%, and that is one of his voter bloc states.
She WILL WIN the next 4/6 contest, and win at least 2 of them by pretty large margins. Say what you will obama fans, at least I tried to do the math, and scratched below the surface, while you paid too much attention to flat numbers and a slanted mainstream media.
How are you counting Michigan and Florida? I think Clinton should get all 155 delegates from Michigan and most of the delegates from Florida. If Obama doesn't think that is fair, there can be a re-vote in those two states.
Michigan has agreed to allocate 8 of Hillarys michigan delegates to obama. This is the deal that the DNC will most likely go with to seat them. If Florida follows the same path, which they probably will, they will reallocate about the same amount over to Obama also.
DNC will never go with that. The DNC commitee cares about democracy. Eigther there is a re-vote, eigther the votes cast in January will be counted as they were cast. No compromises, Obama got no votes in Michigan.
Any vote she didn't get went to uncomitted, and obama will get those. Dean and even obama say that they will be counted without a doubt, but there has to be a "fair" comprimise. If they go back on their word, there will be hell to pay at the convention. If hundreds of people have protested in Florida, and if over 100,000 people have signed a petition, you can imagine what's going to jump off in Denver if they don't get counted. After all, 5 states voted early, but only two got punished.
Nope, blank votes aren't counted, there were several other candidates who like Obama figured they'd rather remove their names from the ballot. People could have entered Obama's name on the ballot, but they didn't. Also Obama campaigned in Michigan (TV commercials telling people to vote uncommitted) which he wasn't allowed to.
Howard Dean hasn't said a thing about giving Obama the "uncommitted" votes from Michigan. That is what the Obama campaign wants, but that's not what they are going to get. They could get a re-vote if they want, otherwise they get nothing in Michigan.
So as you see, he may not even get to the magic number, and these figures are giving him credit. So since the race will be locked up to about a 3% difference give or take, the nomination will have to be decided on who can carry the big states, swing vote, experience, and who has the less ammo for the Republicans. All important historically to run in a general election. So put the corks back in your bottles, because it isn't over yet.
It's funny, your the first person I have heard that sees it as I do. Very simple political science. It can be difficult for some people to understand without having any working knowledge about these things.
Some of you that comment and turn it into all the dramatic issues (racism, etc..) fail to see the sheep from the wool.
It's pretty much too late now, the web has been spun and a lot of us have been caught within it but, it is still good to realize and understand what this man is saying.
I'm not so sure it is really over, but the dnc and the mainstream media are sure pushing for it to be over. She actually has a real chance, and is the better candidate to compete in the general elections, her records and numbers prove that. That's why I've wrote Howard Dean a couple of times, and asked him if he was trying to give the election to McCain. It just all seems so fishy.
P.S:Hillary is a power hungry liar and McSame, I mean McBush, I mean John ''Senior Moment'' McCain is the worst choice IN THE WORLD!!! McCain lost in 2000 to the worst President ever!!!Just a thought.....
American people are dummies, most of them think the federal reserve is a good thing...HA!
Americans will do whatever the media tells them to do..."buy this, watch that," all day long on the TV, and guess what? It works, and will keep working until people wake up.
Thank you for your courage and for taking the time to make this public.
justiceforhill 3 years ago
Everyone knows that the dems are getting in no matter what....they could have monkey as the dem nominee and it would get in. This is why Hillary is fightng so hard, cause it will be a cakewalk for the dems this year. Obama is the better choice of the two...Hillary says whatever she wants to convince you and she will do that to the people when she gets in. Obama may be different...which is the best u can ask for in this two party system.
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Different how? How is Obama any different than all the rest lying, 2-faced politicians? He isn't "different." He's the same as all the rest, just a little darker, that's all.
WickedWicka 3 years ago
OMG!!! ur a racist......
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
OMG you're a moron!!! Go learn some proper grammar while you have your head up your ass.
WickedWicka 3 years ago
oH NO U DINÍT!!!!...i AM GOIN TA COM OVA DERE AN KIK YO CRACKA ATH....
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Proper English got your tongue?
WickedWicka 3 years ago
Leave my tongue out of this..... as for big business...it did exist back in the day....and they got away with alot more too....People have to continue to fight for their rights, always...or ele ppl lose em.
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Well for starters he has built a true grass roots campaign and not taken a dime from Lobbyists or PACs. No lobbyists in his campaign. He sends back donations from anybody who even works for a lobbyist.
Today he told the DNC that THEY will no longer take money from Lobbyists or PACS.
That's one example.
djangst 3 years ago
Big deal. Teddy Roosevelt had a grass roots campaign too, and I'm sure plenty of other politicians as well.
Throw me another "example."
WickedWicka 3 years ago
If you need to refer to a campaign that occurred a century ago (before lobbyists existed), you have definitely lost the argument.
djangst 3 years ago
Just like big business didn't exist back then either...right. Seriously, you kiddos need to open up a history book once in awhile.
WickedWicka 3 years ago
This is a source that says Puerto Rico IS winner takes all.
Washington Post
The Fact Checker
By Michael Dobbs
" "Puerto Rico comes at the end....It is a winner-take-all primary, 63 delegates at stake, a bigger margin for the winner than in California, New York, Illinois. So this thing could be settled by Puerto Rico."
--New York Times columnist David Brooks, PBS News Hour, Feb. 6, 2008. "
BitterCycle 3 years ago
I need to make a correction. In puerto Rico, winner takes all, like a Republican primary. That means Hillary will get all 63 delegates.
Hillary is also leading in the popular vote slightly now. As you can see, it isn't over at all.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Projected numbers after the primaries, including super delegates, without Mi. & Fl., and giving Obama an edge
If she wins PR by 13 points, which is at least listed in the latest poll that they can get from them, and assuming lol, that they allocate super delegates evenly....
BitterCycle 3 years ago
....If they split MO & SD evenly, which they are expected to do, and assuming lol, that they allocate super delegates evenly.
The only way he can reach the "magic number"(2026), or better, would be to barely get it by a hair, and get it by getting an unfair amount of super delegates.
Hillary: 1852
Obama: 2025
Obama: +173....
BitterCycle 3 years ago
....Mi. 69-59 = 58% = 86 delegates for hillary,
& 71 delegates for obama. Including super delegates, and assuming the super delegates allolocate evenly.
Fl. Is awarded all of its delegates, that = 105 delegates in all for hillary,
& 70 delegates in all for obama. Including super delegates, and assuming the super delegates allolocate evenly.
Obama: 2166
Hillary: 2043
Obama: +123
Delegates needed for magic number when/if Mi. & Fl. Were counted: 2209....
BitterCycle 3 years ago
....Not to mention that she can argue that she has won the majority of the large states and swing votes/general election battle ground states
Then she could argue that she has the most experience, is a harder fighter, doesn't run away from a debate, AND isn't carrying scandals with her.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
....She would cut down on his delegate lead by about 20%, and narrowing the percentage lead to under 3%, and she might retake the super delegate lead again, if by just a few. Then she would claim the popular vote for sure.
So they could average out almost between the delegates and super delegates, then she breaks the tie with the popular vote.....
BitterCycle 3 years ago
but the american people are intelligent enough to know the difference......buwwhhaahahahahaha....I am so glad i am not an american....bush sucks...and now mcain/mr magoo...
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Obama pulled a fast one and tried to have two whole states taken from her. He cried that they voted early, and that she left her name on the ballots. Three other states weren't punished for voting early, and he DID leave his name on the ballot in Florida, and ran campaign sds in Michigan. The whole thing was a hypocrisy.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
As you can see on my post below, he still can't reach 2026, unless the super delegates are so biased that it becomes painfuly obvious.
So she can take the argument to become the nominee to the DNC, by explaining that she has won most of the larger and battleground states and swing votes.
She has more experience, doesn't run from a fight, and none of the racist or elitist baggage.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
if she is doing so great...then why is she so far behind....??
kingrexrex666 3 years ago
Then he got a bloc vote by blacks, you make up your own mind on that if that is racist or not. Then he got the rich white guilt vote. He also got the college vote, because they think he's "cool", y&b. Last but not least, Republican voters were voting for him in the primaries to get him in the general election against McCain, because they know he's the weaker candidate. Then they will turn around in the general election and vote for McCain. Haven't you been keeping up with any of this stuff ?
BitterCycle 3 years ago
She will also get MI. & Fl., because she has the majority support on the Bylaws committee.
...That will raise the bar to 2209.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
• Projected numbers after the primaries, including super delegates, without Mi. & Fl., and giving Obama an edge
If she wins PR by 13 points, which is at least listed in the latest poll that they can get from them, and assuming lol, that they allocate super delegates evenly.
If they split MO & SD evenly, which they are expected to do, and assuming lol, that they allocate super delegates evenly.
Hillary: 1844
Obama: 2020
Obama: + 176
BitterCycle 3 years ago
the elections have all been fixed but she will be gone and as a veteran lets really check the mental health of mcain he will be aother yes man in dc and your part of the problem you lobby for corpration so i have no use for your comments i live in florida and we are in this state well aware of what happens with both parties
JWMICHAELS7777 3 years ago
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i'm sayin this objectively.its not fair people attacking her cos of her sex.so also obama cos of his race.I DONT LIKE HILLARY COS SHE IS STILL IN THE NOMINATION RACE COS SHE WANTS TO FORCE OBAMA TO MAKE HER THE VP.SHE WANTS TO HOLD POOR OBAMA TO RANSOM,DIVIDING THE PARTY BETWEEN BLUE COLAR,WOMEN,EDUCATED,RED STATES ETC JUST TO ARM TWIST THE VP POSITION.IF OBAMA FALLS INTO HER TRAP,I AM NOT VOTING FOR THAT TICKET
hotbrainbox 3 years ago
whatever it is....its not on CNN....and its already been decided...
Elite have power. b/c we let them
bigkwilli 3 years ago
Dudes a fucking alien. Good or bad idonno...
Thanks for the info spock.
revolter1 3 years ago
you da man!!! dude......kinda the way i was seeing him!!!
jayluv1232 3 years ago
You're both idiots. Try saying something constructive instead of demeaning.
WickedWicka 3 years ago
It's obvious that the Repubs want to run against barky and I know that the DNC doesn't like Hillary because they can't control her and she'll do exactly what she says she'll do if elected, but I'm not sure about the two parties being in cahoots. I think they both want to win.. they're just so freaking lame.
inversicolor 3 years ago
This is embarassing. This guy obviously knows nothing about American politics. Michael Dukakis' "mental health" problems? Geez, I guess those have somehow remained unearthed for the last 20 years, until now. Even this guy doesn't say what they actually are.
Then this amazing whopper: "Clinton is 5 times more likely than Barack Obama to win the general election". REALLY? Where's that poll? Every single poll out there shows Obama beating McCain by larger margins than Clinton.
waallison 3 years ago 2
You almost have it figured out.
FreakinFresno 3 years ago
This has been clear from the beginning. Obama is a pawn in a Republican Chess game. Those who haven't been around long enough, and who aren't critically examining things (that doesn't mean criticism Hillary in a sexist tirade), and those who are pumped up on the hypnotic thought-suspending marketing and evangelical hype surrounding Obama, will be made irrationally angry by this reality. We're challenging their drug.
Hillary is the one who can beat the Bush Machine. Hillary '08!
iwillforhill 3 years ago
Also, more Clinton Supporters than obama supporters have said they will switch partys if she isn't nominated. That means McCain will get the majority of her votes, and that's after a lot of his votes were set up by conservitives to get him in the general election so they can switch and defeat him. Outside of the black bloc vote, a few rich white guilty vote, and a few college kids who just think he's the latest fad, he can't carry enough support to win a general election. McCain will beat him.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Oh ... SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS ... More Clinton supporters will not support a Democrat Presidential Nominees after what the Republicans have done to this country since 1980 and if it's not Clinton?
And you say that her votes will go to "McSame"
You're a total moron!
And a retarded Wacked Out White Trash Feminist.
What do you psychopaths want the damn Clintons to run this country for the rest of their lives or something?
They're base is White Trash & Feminist!
Gawd you're a total MORON!
dustynbones 3 years ago
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just reporting what the polls say, and even what the media has been recently reporting. Personally, I won't vote for either candidate, but maybe a lot of Hillary supporters rtealize that McCain isn't as far right as Obama is far left. This is where a lot of the middle of the road swing voters come in at, a a hard working middle America demographic that Obama just can't seem to connect with.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
ron paul
Jwriter4 3 years ago 2
To call working and middle class Americans bigots is wrong, ignorant, and snobbish. To ignore Obamas insults toward these people, his association with black bigots, and his sexist "sweety" remarks toward women while you lebel people bigots and sexist is hypocritical. In the recent past, blacks and liberals alike acted like the Clintons were God, now too many of them jump ship as soon as a person with dark skin walks into the room. What's up with that ?
BitterCycle 3 years ago
You over simplify everthing due to labels also. If you you were to look at where McCain stands on issues, except for the war mainly, you will see that he is liberal for someone that is running as a Republican, so much so that a lot of right wingers actually hate him. And Obama has announced his loyalty to Israel, and vowed to "protect" them. So don't be so foolish into thinking he won't find an excuse to keep troops over there to secure the oil, especially in the times we are in now....
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Let's remind people that she has won the 7 out of 8 states with 10 million or more population, except Illinois of course. She won the swing votes, and she won more of what they call the "battle ground states".
Obama typically runs from a debate, so how do you suppose he's going to do in the general election ? Also he is inexperienced, carrying scandals on his back, AND can't carry those important states in a primary, much less a general election.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Name the 7 out of 8 states with more than 10 million population?
You're counting Florida & Michigan when they don't count! PERIOD! This is a useless argument with you losers!
What Debates? The last ABC's debate, where Clinton's surrogate News Broadcasters brought up Flag Pins and total BS. Let remind you, Rev Wright has been to Bill Clinton's White House on three different occasion.
Like the Clinton's don't have scandals?
What "important states" are you talking about?
YOU'RE FULL OF CRAP!
dustynbones 3 years ago
Tony, you sound like one of those Ron Paul conspirator types. The Clintons & Bushs are the ultimate crime families and the intelligent americans know this to be fact. The Clintons & Bushs followers are unfortunate minions too blind to open their eyes to what is taking place. The Democratic Party's problem is the FEMINIST turning the Democrat's into a bunch of damn PUSSIES! For 30-40 we've been trying to put these C's back where they belong, and Hillary is their last chance for another resurgence
dustynbones 3 years ago
So you support a racist candidate, and you are sexist.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
You know what White Trash is?
You know what Feminist are?
B-I-G-O-T-S!
You lying POS!
dustynbones 3 years ago
After you come off as a hypocrite who over simplfies everything, yoou have the nerve to call someone else a moron. It really scares me to think that people like you are out here voting, and making decisions on such important events, based on what the media and system has brainwashed you into believing. You are a lemming.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Ron Paul is NOT a conspirator, he speaks the truth and if you'd open your eyes you'd see he's right. So don't play him off as crazy when you don't even understand what he's saying.
Ron Paul '08!!!
WickedWicka 3 years ago
WTF?
What does Ron Paul and Jefferson Davis have in common?
They both pervert/perverted the US Constitution under the guise of Liberty.
dustynbones 3 years ago
Try reading the US constitution and saying that.
WickedWicka 3 years ago
Isn't hypocritical when blacks or liberal cry conspiracy all the time, but call middle American whites nut cases when they question the government. I suppose whites and the working class don't have a right or any reason to question authority, according to the rich elitist snobs, blacks and the extreme left.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Hillary has real baggage. I am not convienced with your argument. Obama will win.
drmaglev 3 years ago
As compared to obama ? Come on, if a white candidate would have been caught up in the scandals he was, he/she would have faced a massive protest. The whole thing is hypocritical, no ifs, ands, or buts, and the Republicans will use every bit of it against him if he gets nominated. If Hillary isn't nominated, then it's going to be another four years with a Republican. I just love how obama fans over simplify everything.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
The voters stole the election from Hillary! LOL
allencrider 3 years ago
What's happening is conservatives have been voting for him in the primaries to try to get him nominated, and they will switch over to McCain in the general election. Then they will say look at how those liberals are, they turned on each other, and look at how blacks became biased and backstabbed someone that has kiss their butt for years for a newcomer with dark skin. People have fallen into the trap, and if they don't wake up and nominate her, McCain will take the election. Bet on it.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
You, my dear man, are an idiot.
reenie217 3 years ago
Wow ! a seven word sentence, I'm convinced you are right.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
I'm afraid of the same thing. Is there some way to unveil Barack Obama's $400-million campaign financing would mostly be coming from Republicans or the pro-Wall Street types? Wasn't it the same thing that happened in 2004, I immediately thought John Kerry was much weaker then Howard Dean to beat the Republicans. So to me it was obvious that the media and that dirty tricks in Iowa were used.
Charbax 3 years ago
She took the last 5/9 states.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
states and the swing votes. She took a hard to sway swing state, a large one at that by about 10 points. She took Indiana(a win is a win), and it was in his back door. She lost North Carolina, but she cut his original lead to under 50%, and that is one of his voter bloc states.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
She WILL WIN the next 4/6 contest, and win at least 2 of them by pretty large margins. Say what you will obama fans, at least I tried to do the math, and scratched below the surface, while you paid too much attention to flat numbers and a slanted mainstream media.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Projected delegate count after the primaries, including super delegates:
Obama = 1971
Hillary = 1811
Obama = + 160
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Clinton = 1966
Obama = 1934
Clinton = + 32
That's including the current Michigan and Florida results with 6 primaries still to come.
Charbax 3 years ago
After Mi. & Fl. are counted and reallocated, including super delegates, which IS going to happen:
Obama = 2116
Hillary = 1998
Obama = + 118
Total:
4114
Obama + 2.87%
BitterCycle 3 years ago
How are you counting Michigan and Florida? I think Clinton should get all 155 delegates from Michigan and most of the delegates from Florida. If Obama doesn't think that is fair, there can be a re-vote in those two states.
Charbax 3 years ago
Michigan has agreed to allocate 8 of Hillarys michigan delegates to obama. This is the deal that the DNC will most likely go with to seat them. If Florida follows the same path, which they probably will, they will reallocate about the same amount over to Obama also.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
DNC will never go with that. The DNC commitee cares about democracy. Eigther there is a re-vote, eigther the votes cast in January will be counted as they were cast. No compromises, Obama got no votes in Michigan.
Charbax 3 years ago
Any vote she didn't get went to uncomitted, and obama will get those. Dean and even obama say that they will be counted without a doubt, but there has to be a "fair" comprimise. If they go back on their word, there will be hell to pay at the convention. If hundreds of people have protested in Florida, and if over 100,000 people have signed a petition, you can imagine what's going to jump off in Denver if they don't get counted. After all, 5 states voted early, but only two got punished.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
Nope, blank votes aren't counted, there were several other candidates who like Obama figured they'd rather remove their names from the ballot. People could have entered Obama's name on the ballot, but they didn't. Also Obama campaigned in Michigan (TV commercials telling people to vote uncommitted) which he wasn't allowed to.
Charbax 3 years ago
Howard Dean hasn't said a thing about giving Obama the "uncommitted" votes from Michigan. That is what the Obama campaign wants, but that's not what they are going to get. They could get a re-vote if they want, otherwise they get nothing in Michigan.
Charbax 3 years ago
So as you see, he may not even get to the magic number, and these figures are giving him credit. So since the race will be locked up to about a 3% difference give or take, the nomination will have to be decided on who can carry the big states, swing vote, experience, and who has the less ammo for the Republicans. All important historically to run in a general election. So put the corks back in your bottles, because it isn't over yet.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
It's funny, your the first person I have heard that sees it as I do. Very simple political science. It can be difficult for some people to understand without having any working knowledge about these things.
Some of you that comment and turn it into all the dramatic issues (racism, etc..) fail to see the sheep from the wool.
It's pretty much too late now, the web has been spun and a lot of us have been caught within it but, it is still good to realize and understand what this man is saying.
ch2iss 3 years ago
I'm not so sure it is really over, but the dnc and the mainstream media are sure pushing for it to be over. She actually has a real chance, and is the better candidate to compete in the general elections, her records and numbers prove that. That's why I've wrote Howard Dean a couple of times, and asked him if he was trying to give the election to McCain. It just all seems so fishy.
BitterCycle 3 years ago
YOU LOOK LIKE McCain!!!!!!
P.S:Hillary is a power hungry liar and McSame, I mean McBush, I mean John ''Senior Moment'' McCain is the worst choice IN THE WORLD!!! McCain lost in 2000 to the worst President ever!!!Just a thought.....
bestservice1983 3 years ago
You sound like an idiot...try listening sometime, mmmkay?
WickedWicka 3 years ago 3
so if i understand your point you and those people of wall street take the american people for dummies ??? let's see if u are right
real3rdlife 3 years ago
American people are dummies, most of them think the federal reserve is a good thing...HA!
Americans will do whatever the media tells them to do..."buy this, watch that," all day long on the TV, and guess what? It works, and will keep working until people wake up.
WickedWicka 3 years ago 2
mc cain has the mental problem. stop faking being a democrat, you republican
johnyrook 3 years ago 2
Hillary is finished because of the sniper fire lie.
yourcamden 3 years ago