I was wondering why Jesus was so European-looking in the beginning. Then I saw it was satirical to make his eyes so glowing stereotypical blue, that's funny! Only improvement would be to include that "Top 10 Commandment" "Thou Shalt Not Kill" -- its more important than "be nice" and much more integral to the definition of "love."
U.S. out of Afghanistan--not just replace soldiers with mercenaries. And recolonizing Africa and her resources, aka Libya, whoa!
@FreedomFighter631 On the contrary, I find leftists might be garbage but at least they've evolved different coloured plastics and come in biodegradable format now. I see the rightwingers as big immovable bins that keep getting fed the trash their overly religious zealot leaders and righteous old pantyhouse seniors keep feeding them.
I'm having a really wild fantasy right now. If this is open source, I'd like to see this presented as live theater in right-wing churches. Unannounced, I'd like to see groups enter churches, during services, and perform this to shake some people up.
An extremely idiotic video. This wasn't even clever.
If you are going to attack the Tea Party and make false accusations, you could at least create ambiguous jokes but I guess you don't have the intelligence for that.
@Soothfish no, an extremely idiotic party...and everything in the video is right: the Tea Party has no inclination to help anyone who isn't them. in fact, they'd rather kill everyone who isn't them.
jesus was not white,he came from the same part of the world as saddam hussain,stop picturing this evil jesus character as a white man. no white man would ever stone his children to death.
@Soothfish ....really?? I didn't hear them denouncing the Supreme Courts decision on unlimited corporate campaign contributions...as for your second sentence, it's really undeserving of a comment.
@Homerjneil Government IS charged to take care of the poor and downtrodden. What society leaves its weak, sick, and old? Zebras and wildebeests. Humans are BETTER than that.by the blood of Jesus Christ - as are ALL their institutions, INCLUDING government. Acts 2:44-45, Acts 4:32-35, Romans 13:6-7, Isaiah 10: 1-2, Amos 8:4-8, James 5:1-5, James 2:1-9, Proverbs 22:16, 22-23, Isaiah 3 13-15. 2 Corinthians 8:13-15, Galatians 5:13-15. You CANNOT serve BOTH Jesus Christ and Ayn Rand.
@chowcorgi Let's look at your 1st passage: Acts 2: 44-45 "And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need." Do you know the context of this? It is describing the early church giving VOLUNTARILY to each other (a la 2 Corinthians 9). That is most certainly not the government.
You are assume what you should be proving, that liberal policies actually help the poor.
@chowcorgi I'm a Christian but find it odd that so many here are trying to force their religious beliefs on others (even if they were getting the Bible right). Acts 4: Same as with Acts 2 (between Christians, not gov't driven). Romans 13: Yes, we should pay required taxes, but that doesn't mean that voting for more is better for society. Isaiah 10 -- who is doing this by voting against further spending? Are you trying to say the U.S. is an Israelite theocracy?
@homerjneil What the video does is just highlight the massive disconnect between Tea Party values and the ones Christ taught. It stops there and doesn't argue for politics or policies Jesus would support. Perhaps you should ask why you are so upset to have that conflict displayed so clearly.
@414wildcat Who said I'm upset? I'm not even in the TEA party. I just dislike logical fallacies and misrepresentations of Jesus, which this video has in spades.
@chowcorgi Amos 8 -- did you even read that? How does that apply? James 5 -- how does the preaching against the rich apply? I mean, preach that all you like, but what does that have to do with the gov't taking their wealth to redistribute?
If you are going to quote Bible verses I encourage you to pick a passage and explain how it proves your point.
I serve Jesus, but I don't ask Caesar to take from others to "give" in my name.
@homerjneil How are you following Jesus' commands to help the poor by working to remove their safetynet? Sure the Church could do a better job caring for them than govt, but it's not. The solution isn't to pour tons of money & political energy into getting rid of school lunches, housing, medicine for poor children, etc. The solution is for us Christians to make those programs uneeded. Until we do, US Democracy reflects our values. Bible makes clear we should value poor over own wealth.
@chowcorgi Amen. Can't follow Jesus and Ayn Rand! And can't read Bible without seeing individual, societal, and governmental responsibility to the least and last...and can't have a heart and not feel it.
@homer and I don't want to get too nuanced b/c I agree that Jesus is God's son and the Bible is divinely inspired, but Jesus definitely didn't agree with everything in the Bible, at least not the literal meaning of everything. Part of the reason he came was to clear some stuff up about how folks were interpreting the Old Testament and create a new covenant. The Sermon on the Mount is full of the "you have heard it said, but I say" lines that often disagree with scripture. Eg. Matt 5:38
@414wildcat Jesus agreed with the real meaning of everything in the Bible. Yes, people can misunderstand it. We agree on that. Some people read it and think it qualifies as generosity to have the gov't take from others to "give" in your name. They think Jesus would be pro-abortion, pro-"same-sex marriage," etc. Yes, I'm familiar with the SotM.
@homer The Bible doesn't say if you don't work, you don't eat. It focuses on need not worth...that is a pretty central part of Grace and a key theme in a lot of what Jesus taught. It wasn't the rich, powerful, good workers, etc who were getting into heaven. It's the meek who inherit the earth and the poor who are blessed and will have God's kingdom.
No, the bible would have you take the homeless person into your own house. The bible would have you give to anyone you see who is needy, directly. The bible tells you that if you see someone who doesn't have food, you give it to them.
This video is an accurate and fair depiction of the tea party. And if that hurts your feelings, you should look in the mirror. "How you hate honest judges! How you despise people who tell the truth!" Amos 5:10
@cparkerBNHR I think the tea party and conservatives should reject jesus. One day anti-christian rightwing will grow and will be the revolutionary immoralism Stirner will prevail.
I was being a little broader than I should have. I was refrencing about the throwing out of the moneylenders and how it would be perceived by FOX as anti-business today.
Wither, All the video does is use quotes (and actual signs) from the group in question. It doesn't demonize the group--just has their words coming from Jesus to question the claim by many Tea Party leaders that it's a Christian movement. If holding a mirror up makes some feel they are under attack and being made to look like a monster, the blame isn't with the mirror.
This video is hysterical! At the same time it is also really sad that we've reached the point where this kind of critique is necessary. We've strayed so far from what Jesus actually talked about and how he commanded us to treat each other. This is going out to all my friends.
"Blessed are the pure in ideology, for they can demonize any who disagree." I just spent 6 minutes listening to a group demonize a group of people by claiming they follow a false Christ. The pot's calling the kettle black.
@WitherWing59 it is not just disagreeing. It is about lying, and than saying they follow Jesus, when any sane person knows they do not. Big difference between disagreeing and calling someone a Muslim, or Communist, or asking for their birth certificate, and any of the numerous irresponsible violent rhetoric. I think it is ironic that many of these word smiths, do not even go to church, or give a tithe or even volunteer for their church. They are just words, without action.
@aquariuscomfort How are you in position to judge the hearts of those who claim to follow Jesus? Do you know how they spend their free time and how much they give out of their own pockets? Someone can be very generous and still oppose the gov't taking away from others to support counterproductive social engineering schemes.
@Ninure Yes, but how can you judge their deeds? Do you know how much they donate?
Re. words -- I've read every word in the Bible many times. There is nothing that even hints at asking "Caesar" to take from others by force to "give" on your behalf. And nothing about voting to spend 60% more than you take in to perpetuate what you honestly view as counterproductive policies.
@homerjneil Rome took the taxes, did they ask for permission? Did they give people any voice in where those taxes went? Didn't Jesus more or less say that "Vaesar" had the right to take the taxes?
On the other hand, Jesus commanded that anyone claiming to be a Christian should give to those in need "asking nothing in return" and failure to do so would mean HE would cat you into HELL. If that's not "someone forcing you to something" I don't know what is.
@Ninure Hi -- I think you are mixing things up. Yes, Rome took taxes and Jesus said to pay them. If your claim is that Tea partiers don't pay taxes, then support that.
Perhaps you could share the specific verses backing up your second claim. And even if you were right you are mixing up Jesus "forcing" you to do something with the gov't forcing you. And again, find one verse where Jesus said to ask Rome to take from others on your behalf.
@Ninure More about words: Do the TEA party Christians deny the deity of Christ? Do they deny that Jesus is the only way to salvation, taught 100+ times in the New Testament? Do they deny that the Bible teaches not to shed innocent blood (which would include abortion)? Do they teach that Jesus is pro-oxymoronic "same-sex marriage?" Do they deny the biblical teaching of "don't work / don't eat?" Theological liberals do all those things and more. I suggest doing a video of them.
@homerjneil Jesus said, "why do you cal me Lord, Lord, and do NOT do what I say?"
Now hwere did Jesus say, "don't work, don't eat". He didn't say a word about same-sex marriage, but he did say that everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery (hello Newt?)
@Ninure Jesus is God, and God inspired all of scripture, and scripture says that if you can work and don't then you don't eat. Simple.
He didn't say anything specific about SSM, but He did say what marriage was, and He agreed that homosexual behavior was a sin. He agrees with everything in the Bible.
@homerjneil just checked : no ´where does Jesus talk about homsexuality, show me the line if the source is wrong .More is to be said on that, but I just wanted to know this.
@Fendefadst Hi Fendefadst -- thanks for seeking clarification. I must not have been clear because I was trying to point out that while the "red letters" (quotes of Jesus) didn't specifically mention homosexuality, Jesus is fully God and fully man. The original writings of the Bible turned out exactly as He wanted them to. So all the prohibitions against homosexual behavior (Lev. 18, Rom 1, etc.) and the countless references to his ideal for marriage and parenting as 1 man / 1 woman.
@homerjneil well, I cant really follow all the wa down to find the convincing theological reasoning why the bible should have turned out the way he wanted it to. For the first 400 years, the bible contained 47 gospels, which also were pro-polygamy, free love, human enlightenment beyond finite self, claimed that the biblegod was the demiurg, not the real god and so on. only the catholoic search in its hunger for power declared these forbidden
@Fendefadst Here's a simple reason -- included in the Bible itself -- as to why it turned out the way God wanted it to: Because God wanted it to! He is God. He doesn't lose things or make mistakes. I don't mean this in an unkind way at all, but have you ever read the entire Bible?
P.S. I'm not Catholic. The Reformation happened for a reason. Actually, 95 of them.
@homerjneil yeah, but everyone can say so. Its a human saying that, not god. This is where I stick with the gnosis: through loss of ego, you can directly experience the God head, sth that is missing in regular christianity. Without that experience, all you have are mere personal projetions, it seems. Mulsims believe in the Quoran because: it says so, jews believe: it is said so. That seems very arbitrary, why should any of them be right? If you are born into it, its right???
@Fendefadst No, you are begging the question. The Bible claims to speak for God 3,000 times and backs it up with fulfilled prophecies and external evidence. The Koran is wrong for many reasons, including the claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross (even atheist historians concede that). Remember, this debate is about what the anti-Tea party people claim the Bible says. So for the sake of this argument they need to consider what it says about its authorship.
@Fendefadst No, you aren't born into it. The early Christians weren't born into it. The first 300 years of Christianity involved regular and intense persecution. Countless atheists and agnostics come from Christian homes. If the "born with it" thing was true then kids of atheists would all stay that way.
@Fendefadst 47 gospels? I encourage you to read Eusebius' The Church History for starters. That is a complete fiction. Yes, there were false gospels, and they were left out for a reason.
@homerjneil Did you read the other ones? They have a spiritual potency that superates the ones we know by far. This stuff is incredible, taken all together, christianity would obbviously be a superior religion for the planet, without them, it seems very shallow, like a set of rules.
@Fendefadst They were rejected by the early church. Their authorship is false and they were proved to have been written much later (i.e., not by the Apostles or their direct followers). Again, have you actually read all of the Bible?
@homerjneil Plus: how can jesus be proLife, if he never knew about abortion? back in those days, a lot of women died because men who impregnated them by rape or immorally forced them to abortion. So any line like this could be read as pro-womans-life, rather feminist statement than anything else
@Fendefadst Jesus is God and is omniscient. How did you decide that He didn't know about abortion? Even if He had only been human that doesn't mean He didn't know about it. He is the author of life and life begins at fertilization.
@homerjneil well because it was not yet around at this time. I mean, who knows what Jesus would have said/is saying on computer issues, as they have not yet been around? Its not like all possibe questions already appeared in the bible, not because there was an unwillingness to answer, simply, beause the issue was not around back in these days.
@Fendefadst Hi -- Abortion was around at the time. The writers of the Hippocratic Oath (not Jews) were emphatic in denouncing abortion and it was written hundreds of years before Christ. Jews actually wanted kids (shocking!) so abortion wasn't a big issue for them. But the Bible says not to shed innocent blood, don't murder, Jesus is the author of life, etc.
@homerjneil to back up the gospel thing, read the classic by elaine paigels, the secret gospels, its mindblowing. PErsonally I dont think Jesus would vote/lead Dems nor reps. The true kingdom of heaven on earth cant possibly look so trivial , ). The truth is though that dems are blind to spirit while reps are corrupt misusing the name of Christ. Anarcho-Christian positions like tolstoi and my favorite christian writers, like de Charding and Michael Dowd make more sense
@Fendefadst I'm familiar with Paigels. There are no "secret gospels." This is simple: Either the Bible is the result of God, as it claims, or the work of men. If it is from God, then God doesn't lose things. If it is from men, then they got exactly what they wanted in the Bible. The mere existence of other later texts trying to hijack Christianity proves nothing.
@Fendefadst It wasn't hijacked. Seriously, have you studied church history? Again, I highly recommend Eusebius. We know why the books of the Bible ended up there: Extensive use in the early church, the "signature of God," written by Apostles or their direct followers, etc. The false gospels were not an integral part of Christianity. If they were they would have been included. They were rejected, and works like Eusebius' and writings of church fathers explained why.
@homerjneil well I am not convinced, because the true revelation can only be had dircectly and everything else is just psychological projection(even reading the bible in my eyes). Ill read the eusebius book to get a sense of what you are talking about. Counter Question: did you ever have a true mystical experience revealing higher order knowledge to you? Revealing beyond all doors of perceptions?
@Fendefadst Where did you determine that true revelation can only be had directly? Did you get direct revelation from God?
I appreciate that you will check out Eusebius and wish you the best on your search for truth. More than anything I encourage people to read the Bible for themselves (I recommend an ESV study Bible).
I also appreciate your cordial tone. Sometimes I avoid Youtube discussions because they get vile and petty, but you have been gracious.
@homerjneil thank you, I can say like wise. well I did have a few very strong mystical experiences, through meditation and contemplation (for many hours every day, besides working in service of others) I have been brought up an atheist, and scripture wouldnt convice me, just seeing directly. I had different experiences, clearly trans, not pre-rational, and this convinced me of a wider reality, also including a world process and a higher Intelligence/SupraMind. Thats first person, so
@homerjneil second part: so it seems to be reliable to my previously atheist materialist mind, after I had a few years studying ontological and epistemological concepts and practicing meditaion, prayer and contemplation(deep study of holy texts). Going from there I can see holy writings from a different angle, understanding it differently, less confined to the human experience while remaining a critical intelletual. I am in search for full enlightenment and holy sacrifice now
@Fendefadst Re. your question -- I have seen God at work but cannot claim a mystical experience. I do what the early church did, as recorded in the book of Acts: I look to the evidence for the resurrection, on which all Christianity hinges.
@homerjneil last one(read from bottom up, this is the last one) + father thomas keating, +rolly stanich + paul smith make more sense to me. Read de Chardin, and your mind will be blwon away, dont believe what the catholic establishment writes about him( ajesuit they tried to ban hon and burn his books in the middle of the last century)
@aquariuscomfort Do you know if they actually study the Bible and whether their doctrine is sound? Lots of people claim to follow Jesus but never read the Bible. He was a lot more than just some guy saying to be nice.
This is classic liberalism. The rebuttal would be a mockery of the OWS, with more realistic examples. The OWS Jesus would be pro-rape, pro-drug abuse, pro-violence, pro-using children as shields, pro-asking Caesar to take money by force from neighbor A to "give" to neighbor B on to give credit to the OWS (or better yet, to "give" to the OWS. Or you could do all those for basic liberals and add in "pro-abortion Jesus" and "pro-lgbtq Jesus."
@homerjneil Who said anything about OWS? And why would they be pro-any of that? You have to be incredibly short sighted to think welfare programs exist to rob from the employed to give to the lazy, and that liberals want to steal from the rich to fund their own sloth...How about all the taxes I pay that fund a war I don't agree with? I have no problem paying taxes as long as the rich do too, and the $ goes to healthcare, infrastructure and education, not defense contracts...
@elmundopasa1 There were a tremendous amount of sexual assaults at the OWS events. If you are going to use the method of taking extreme signs or events at Tea Party gatherings then you should do the same for OWS, which had a much worse track record (# of sexual assaults at Tea Party events = 0). If you hadn't heard about all the assaults then expand your media consumption.
@homerjneil ok what do you get pro rape from, because Fox news told you so like the voice in your head? Where is the pro drug abuse? So even though the facts of the statistics of rape and drug abuse are the same in any city, and less so if hands of people, some of whom say they are OWS but are there for other purposes, you say they are pro rape? How about giving us facts and statistics? That is right you have none, just hyperbole rhetoric you learn from Fox news and Glenn Beck.
@aquariuscomfort Hi -- sorry, thought my point was obvious. If you want to make an entire video based on very small elements of a large group, then you have basically constructed a straw man. That's what happened here. My point was simply that using that tactics you would have much more of a case to paint the OWS in the ways I described.
@aquariuscomfort P.S. I don't watch Fox news or listen to Beck, but thanks for visiting from stereotype land. I encourage you to expand your media consumption a bit. I get lots of liberal and conservative input with which to form my views.
@Osomotley I don't watch TV for news. I get my news via multiple liberal and conservative sources. The conservative ones have proved to be very reliable over time. The liberal sources aren't, because none exist, but I read them anyway.
@homerjneil : You seem to imply these examples of tea party rhetoric are unrealistic. Don't know where you get your news, but it looks to me like the maker of this video did their research pretty thoroughly. I know I've seen every one of those signs.
@gigmeister53 I don't watch TV for news, and don't listen to or watch Fox or Beck. I get my news via multiple liberal and conservative sources. The conservative ones have proved to be very reliable over time. The liberal sources aren't, because none exist, but I read them anyway.
I kinda like this jesus.
greenghost2008 2 weeks ago
I was wondering why Jesus was so European-looking in the beginning. Then I saw it was satirical to make his eyes so glowing stereotypical blue, that's funny! Only improvement would be to include that "Top 10 Commandment" "Thou Shalt Not Kill" -- its more important than "be nice" and much more integral to the definition of "love."
U.S. out of Afghanistan--not just replace soldiers with mercenaries. And recolonizing Africa and her resources, aka Libya, whoa!
cybergrace7 2 weeks ago
Leftist garbage
FreedomFighter631 2 weeks ago
@FreedomFighter631 On the contrary, I find leftists might be garbage but at least they've evolved different coloured plastics and come in biodegradable format now. I see the rightwingers as big immovable bins that keep getting fed the trash their overly religious zealot leaders and righteous old pantyhouse seniors keep feeding them.
ProneSyndrome 2 weeks ago
Tea Party Jesus says, "Healing the sick without making a profit is socialism."
AtlasShruggery 3 weeks ago
Outstanding. 10 Tea Party cretins didn't like this video. :D
MrSporkster 3 weeks ago
some people just don't get satire
RichieRich0407 3 weeks ago
I'm having a really wild fantasy right now. If this is open source, I'd like to see this presented as live theater in right-wing churches. Unannounced, I'd like to see groups enter churches, during services, and perform this to shake some people up.
motherminerva 3 weeks ago 2
The Tea Party has driven so many people from the Christian faith because of their picture of Jesus.
mrsaprilski 3 weeks ago 4
An extremely idiotic video. This wasn't even clever.
If you are going to attack the Tea Party and make false accusations, you could at least create ambiguous jokes but I guess you don't have the intelligence for that.
Soothfish 4 weeks ago
@Soothfish What "false accusations?" Have you never heard these people speak, nor read their signs?
nikkiru2u 3 weeks ago
@Soothfish no, an extremely idiotic party...and everything in the video is right: the Tea Party has no inclination to help anyone who isn't them. in fact, they'd rather kill everyone who isn't them.
hilltree402 3 weeks ago
@hilltree402 Stealing money from future generations to bride voters is what criminals do. The Tea Party is protesting the worst crime in US history.
Soothfish 1 week ago
as a white man i find this video very offencive.
jesus was not white,he came from the same part of the world as saddam hussain,stop picturing this evil jesus character as a white man. no white man would ever stone his children to death.
sarxpoker 1 month ago
@sarxpoker right, just their slaves...the "Christian Right" fought a war to keep those too.
hilltree402 3 weeks ago
That's is the light.... I'm so shocked I thought it was only a few Americans that noticed the hatred in Tea Party...
MrRainmaker6 1 month ago 3
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@MrRainmaker6 The Tea Party hates corruption and political bribery for votes.
Just like Obama supporters hate pretty much anyone who doesn't slave for them.
Soothfish 4 weeks ago
@Soothfish So you take Tea Party Jesus' teachings to heart?
Way to prove the point.
nikkiru2u 3 weeks ago
@Soothfish ....really?? I didn't hear them denouncing the Supreme Courts decision on unlimited corporate campaign contributions...as for your second sentence, it's really undeserving of a comment.
raytodd8155 3 weeks ago
i like the end, "until he end of the age." that implys astroligical.
sjayjayw 1 month ago
hear that? Jesus just returned!..... only to kill himself. Way to go tea party. u just caused your prophet to break his only rules. way to go
stigmabuster22 1 month ago 2
Incredibly clever. Excellent satire. I hope it does some good
mh605 1 month ago 8
Hmm, if everyone did what the second guy wearing a robe said, the world would be pretty cool place.
VideoTelegram 1 month ago
why does jesus always look like a white hippie?
a300pilotster 1 month ago 2
Thank you, This was the best video I have ever seen about how the right twists our Lord and Savior's words for their own greed. God Bless you
AVoiceCrying33 1 month ago 2
@Homerjneil Government IS charged to take care of the poor and downtrodden. What society leaves its weak, sick, and old? Zebras and wildebeests. Humans are BETTER than that.by the blood of Jesus Christ - as are ALL their institutions, INCLUDING government. Acts 2:44-45, Acts 4:32-35, Romans 13:6-7, Isaiah 10: 1-2, Amos 8:4-8, James 5:1-5, James 2:1-9, Proverbs 22:16, 22-23, Isaiah 3 13-15. 2 Corinthians 8:13-15, Galatians 5:13-15. You CANNOT serve BOTH Jesus Christ and Ayn Rand.
chowcorgi 1 month ago
@chowcorgi Let's look at your 1st passage: Acts 2: 44-45 "And all who believed were together and had all things in common. And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need." Do you know the context of this? It is describing the early church giving VOLUNTARILY to each other (a la 2 Corinthians 9). That is most certainly not the government.
You are assume what you should be proving, that liberal policies actually help the poor.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@chowcorgi I'm a Christian but find it odd that so many here are trying to force their religious beliefs on others (even if they were getting the Bible right). Acts 4: Same as with Acts 2 (between Christians, not gov't driven). Romans 13: Yes, we should pay required taxes, but that doesn't mean that voting for more is better for society. Isaiah 10 -- who is doing this by voting against further spending? Are you trying to say the U.S. is an Israelite theocracy?
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil What the video does is just highlight the massive disconnect between Tea Party values and the ones Christ taught. It stops there and doesn't argue for politics or policies Jesus would support. Perhaps you should ask why you are so upset to have that conflict displayed so clearly.
414wildcat 1 month ago
@414wildcat Who said I'm upset? I'm not even in the TEA party. I just dislike logical fallacies and misrepresentations of Jesus, which this video has in spades.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@chowcorgi Amos 8 -- did you even read that? How does that apply? James 5 -- how does the preaching against the rich apply? I mean, preach that all you like, but what does that have to do with the gov't taking their wealth to redistribute?
If you are going to quote Bible verses I encourage you to pick a passage and explain how it proves your point.
I serve Jesus, but I don't ask Caesar to take from others to "give" in my name.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil How are you following Jesus' commands to help the poor by working to remove their safetynet? Sure the Church could do a better job caring for them than govt, but it's not. The solution isn't to pour tons of money & political energy into getting rid of school lunches, housing, medicine for poor children, etc. The solution is for us Christians to make those programs uneeded. Until we do, US Democracy reflects our values. Bible makes clear we should value poor over own wealth.
414wildcat 1 month ago
@414wildcat You are under the false impression that I'm removing their safety net. Try again.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@chowcorgi Amen. Can't follow Jesus and Ayn Rand! And can't read Bible without seeing individual, societal, and governmental responsibility to the least and last...and can't have a heart and not feel it.
414wildcat 1 month ago
@414wildcat You are right: Ayn Rand was pro-abortion, Jesus is pro-life. No one claiming the name of Christ should be pro-legalized abortion.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homer and I don't want to get too nuanced b/c I agree that Jesus is God's son and the Bible is divinely inspired, but Jesus definitely didn't agree with everything in the Bible, at least not the literal meaning of everything. Part of the reason he came was to clear some stuff up about how folks were interpreting the Old Testament and create a new covenant. The Sermon on the Mount is full of the "you have heard it said, but I say" lines that often disagree with scripture. Eg. Matt 5:38
414wildcat 1 month ago
@414wildcat Jesus agreed with the real meaning of everything in the Bible. Yes, people can misunderstand it. We agree on that. Some people read it and think it qualifies as generosity to have the gov't take from others to "give" in your name. They think Jesus would be pro-abortion, pro-"same-sex marriage," etc. Yes, I'm familiar with the SotM.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homer The Bible doesn't say if you don't work, you don't eat. It focuses on need not worth...that is a pretty central part of Grace and a key theme in a lot of what Jesus taught. It wasn't the rich, powerful, good workers, etc who were getting into heaven. It's the meek who inherit the earth and the poor who are blessed and will have God's kingdom.
414wildcat 1 month ago
No, the bible would have you take the homeless person into your own house. The bible would have you give to anyone you see who is needy, directly. The bible tells you that if you see someone who doesn't have food, you give it to them.
Arosira 1 month ago
This video is an accurate and fair depiction of the tea party. And if that hurts your feelings, you should look in the mirror. "How you hate honest judges! How you despise people who tell the truth!" Amos 5:10
cparkerBNHR 1 month ago 34
@cparkerBNHR I think the tea party and conservatives should reject jesus. One day anti-christian rightwing will grow and will be the revolutionary immoralism Stirner will prevail.
greenghost2008 2 weeks ago
@greenghost2008
I'm surprised conservatives aren't chock full of atheists. Jesus was an anti-business revolutionary and soft on crime (that's what made him cool).
TheTraumarama2 2 weeks ago
@TheTraumarama2 anti-business? what the fuck?
Soothfish 1 week ago
@Soothfish
I was being a little broader than I should have. I was refrencing about the throwing out of the moneylenders and how it would be perceived by FOX as anti-business today.
TheTraumarama2 1 week ago
Jesus versus Jebus!
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Christinaof9 1 month ago
Wither, All the video does is use quotes (and actual signs) from the group in question. It doesn't demonize the group--just has their words coming from Jesus to question the claim by many Tea Party leaders that it's a Christian movement. If holding a mirror up makes some feel they are under attack and being made to look like a monster, the blame isn't with the mirror.
414wildcat 1 month ago
This video is hysterical! At the same time it is also really sad that we've reached the point where this kind of critique is necessary. We've strayed so far from what Jesus actually talked about and how he commanded us to treat each other. This is going out to all my friends.
nanners962 1 month ago
"Blessed are the pure in ideology, for they can demonize any who disagree." I just spent 6 minutes listening to a group demonize a group of people by claiming they follow a false Christ. The pot's calling the kettle black.
WitherWing59 1 month ago
@WitherWing59 it is not just disagreeing. It is about lying, and than saying they follow Jesus, when any sane person knows they do not. Big difference between disagreeing and calling someone a Muslim, or Communist, or asking for their birth certificate, and any of the numerous irresponsible violent rhetoric. I think it is ironic that many of these word smiths, do not even go to church, or give a tithe or even volunteer for their church. They are just words, without action.
aquariuscomfort 1 month ago
@aquariuscomfort How are you in position to judge the hearts of those who claim to follow Jesus? Do you know how they spend their free time and how much they give out of their own pockets? Someone can be very generous and still oppose the gov't taking away from others to support counterproductive social engineering schemes.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil Well we may not be able to judge their hearts, but we can judge their words AND their deeds.
Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall JUDGE them".
Ninure 1 month ago
@Ninure Yes, but how can you judge their deeds? Do you know how much they donate?
Re. words -- I've read every word in the Bible many times. There is nothing that even hints at asking "Caesar" to take from others by force to "give" on your behalf. And nothing about voting to spend 60% more than you take in to perpetuate what you honestly view as counterproductive policies.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil Rome took the taxes, did they ask for permission? Did they give people any voice in where those taxes went? Didn't Jesus more or less say that "Vaesar" had the right to take the taxes?
On the other hand, Jesus commanded that anyone claiming to be a Christian should give to those in need "asking nothing in return" and failure to do so would mean HE would cat you into HELL. If that's not "someone forcing you to something" I don't know what is.
Ninure 1 month ago
@Ninure Hi -- I think you are mixing things up. Yes, Rome took taxes and Jesus said to pay them. If your claim is that Tea partiers don't pay taxes, then support that.
Perhaps you could share the specific verses backing up your second claim. And even if you were right you are mixing up Jesus "forcing" you to do something with the gov't forcing you. And again, find one verse where Jesus said to ask Rome to take from others on your behalf.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@Ninure More about words: Do the TEA party Christians deny the deity of Christ? Do they deny that Jesus is the only way to salvation, taught 100+ times in the New Testament? Do they deny that the Bible teaches not to shed innocent blood (which would include abortion)? Do they teach that Jesus is pro-oxymoronic "same-sex marriage?" Do they deny the biblical teaching of "don't work / don't eat?" Theological liberals do all those things and more. I suggest doing a video of them.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil Jesus said, "why do you cal me Lord, Lord, and do NOT do what I say?"
Now hwere did Jesus say, "don't work, don't eat". He didn't say a word about same-sex marriage, but he did say that everyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery (hello Newt?)
Ninure 1 month ago
@Ninure Jesus is God, and God inspired all of scripture, and scripture says that if you can work and don't then you don't eat. Simple.
He didn't say anything specific about SSM, but He did say what marriage was, and He agreed that homosexual behavior was a sin. He agrees with everything in the Bible.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil just checked : no ´where does Jesus talk about homsexuality, show me the line if the source is wrong .More is to be said on that, but I just wanted to know this.
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst Hi Fendefadst -- thanks for seeking clarification. I must not have been clear because I was trying to point out that while the "red letters" (quotes of Jesus) didn't specifically mention homosexuality, Jesus is fully God and fully man. The original writings of the Bible turned out exactly as He wanted them to. So all the prohibitions against homosexual behavior (Lev. 18, Rom 1, etc.) and the countless references to his ideal for marriage and parenting as 1 man / 1 woman.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil well, I cant really follow all the wa down to find the convincing theological reasoning why the bible should have turned out the way he wanted it to. For the first 400 years, the bible contained 47 gospels, which also were pro-polygamy, free love, human enlightenment beyond finite self, claimed that the biblegod was the demiurg, not the real god and so on. only the catholoic search in its hunger for power declared these forbidden
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst Here's a simple reason -- included in the Bible itself -- as to why it turned out the way God wanted it to: Because God wanted it to! He is God. He doesn't lose things or make mistakes. I don't mean this in an unkind way at all, but have you ever read the entire Bible?
P.S. I'm not Catholic. The Reformation happened for a reason. Actually, 95 of them.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil yeah, but everyone can say so. Its a human saying that, not god. This is where I stick with the gnosis: through loss of ego, you can directly experience the God head, sth that is missing in regular christianity. Without that experience, all you have are mere personal projetions, it seems. Mulsims believe in the Quoran because: it says so, jews believe: it is said so. That seems very arbitrary, why should any of them be right? If you are born into it, its right???
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst No, you are begging the question. The Bible claims to speak for God 3,000 times and backs it up with fulfilled prophecies and external evidence. The Koran is wrong for many reasons, including the claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross (even atheist historians concede that). Remember, this debate is about what the anti-Tea party people claim the Bible says. So for the sake of this argument they need to consider what it says about its authorship.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@Fendefadst No, you aren't born into it. The early Christians weren't born into it. The first 300 years of Christianity involved regular and intense persecution. Countless atheists and agnostics come from Christian homes. If the "born with it" thing was true then kids of atheists would all stay that way.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@Fendefadst 47 gospels? I encourage you to read Eusebius' The Church History for starters. That is a complete fiction. Yes, there were false gospels, and they were left out for a reason.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil Did you read the other ones? They have a spiritual potency that superates the ones we know by far. This stuff is incredible, taken all together, christianity would obbviously be a superior religion for the planet, without them, it seems very shallow, like a set of rules.
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst They were rejected by the early church. Their authorship is false and they were proved to have been written much later (i.e., not by the Apostles or their direct followers). Again, have you actually read all of the Bible?
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil Plus: how can jesus be proLife, if he never knew about abortion? back in those days, a lot of women died because men who impregnated them by rape or immorally forced them to abortion. So any line like this could be read as pro-womans-life, rather feminist statement than anything else
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst Jesus is God and is omniscient. How did you decide that He didn't know about abortion? Even if He had only been human that doesn't mean He didn't know about it. He is the author of life and life begins at fertilization.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil well because it was not yet around at this time. I mean, who knows what Jesus would have said/is saying on computer issues, as they have not yet been around? Its not like all possibe questions already appeared in the bible, not because there was an unwillingness to answer, simply, beause the issue was not around back in these days.
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst Hi -- Abortion was around at the time. The writers of the Hippocratic Oath (not Jews) were emphatic in denouncing abortion and it was written hundreds of years before Christ. Jews actually wanted kids (shocking!) so abortion wasn't a big issue for them. But the Bible says not to shed innocent blood, don't murder, Jesus is the author of life, etc.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil to back up the gospel thing, read the classic by elaine paigels, the secret gospels, its mindblowing. PErsonally I dont think Jesus would vote/lead Dems nor reps. The true kingdom of heaven on earth cant possibly look so trivial , ). The truth is though that dems are blind to spirit while reps are corrupt misusing the name of Christ. Anarcho-Christian positions like tolstoi and my favorite christian writers, like de Charding and Michael Dowd make more sense
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst I'm familiar with Paigels. There are no "secret gospels." This is simple: Either the Bible is the result of God, as it claims, or the work of men. If it is from God, then God doesn't lose things. If it is from men, then they got exactly what they wanted in the Bible. The mere existence of other later texts trying to hijack Christianity proves nothing.
I agree about Jesus not leading Dems or Reps.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil Well, why dismiss the gospels which were an integral part of christianity before it has been hijacked and reduced to 4 gospels?
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst It wasn't hijacked. Seriously, have you studied church history? Again, I highly recommend Eusebius. We know why the books of the Bible ended up there: Extensive use in the early church, the "signature of God," written by Apostles or their direct followers, etc. The false gospels were not an integral part of Christianity. If they were they would have been included. They were rejected, and works like Eusebius' and writings of church fathers explained why.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil well I am not convinced, because the true revelation can only be had dircectly and everything else is just psychological projection(even reading the bible in my eyes). Ill read the eusebius book to get a sense of what you are talking about. Counter Question: did you ever have a true mystical experience revealing higher order knowledge to you? Revealing beyond all doors of perceptions?
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst Where did you determine that true revelation can only be had directly? Did you get direct revelation from God?
I appreciate that you will check out Eusebius and wish you the best on your search for truth. More than anything I encourage people to read the Bible for themselves (I recommend an ESV study Bible).
I also appreciate your cordial tone. Sometimes I avoid Youtube discussions because they get vile and petty, but you have been gracious.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil thank you, I can say like wise. well I did have a few very strong mystical experiences, through meditation and contemplation (for many hours every day, besides working in service of others) I have been brought up an atheist, and scripture wouldnt convice me, just seeing directly. I had different experiences, clearly trans, not pre-rational, and this convinced me of a wider reality, also including a world process and a higher Intelligence/SupraMind. Thats first person, so
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@homerjneil second part: so it seems to be reliable to my previously atheist materialist mind, after I had a few years studying ontological and epistemological concepts and practicing meditaion, prayer and contemplation(deep study of holy texts). Going from there I can see holy writings from a different angle, understanding it differently, less confined to the human experience while remaining a critical intelletual. I am in search for full enlightenment and holy sacrifice now
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst Re. your question -- I have seen God at work but cannot claim a mystical experience. I do what the early church did, as recorded in the book of Acts: I look to the evidence for the resurrection, on which all Christianity hinges.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil last one(read from bottom up, this is the last one) + father thomas keating, +rolly stanich + paul smith make more sense to me. Read de Chardin, and your mind will be blwon away, dont believe what the catholic establishment writes about him( ajesuit they tried to ban hon and burn his books in the middle of the last century)
Fendefadst 1 month ago
@Fendefadst Don't worry, I don't trust what the Catholic establishment says about anything!
homerjneil 1 month ago
@aquariuscomfort Do you know if they actually study the Bible and whether their doctrine is sound? Lots of people claim to follow Jesus but never read the Bible. He was a lot more than just some guy saying to be nice.
homerjneil 1 month ago
This is classic liberalism. The rebuttal would be a mockery of the OWS, with more realistic examples. The OWS Jesus would be pro-rape, pro-drug abuse, pro-violence, pro-using children as shields, pro-asking Caesar to take money by force from neighbor A to "give" to neighbor B on to give credit to the OWS (or better yet, to "give" to the OWS. Or you could do all those for basic liberals and add in "pro-abortion Jesus" and "pro-lgbtq Jesus."
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil Who said anything about OWS? And why would they be pro-any of that? You have to be incredibly short sighted to think welfare programs exist to rob from the employed to give to the lazy, and that liberals want to steal from the rich to fund their own sloth...How about all the taxes I pay that fund a war I don't agree with? I have no problem paying taxes as long as the rich do too, and the $ goes to healthcare, infrastructure and education, not defense contracts...
wjaiv 1 month ago 21
@homerjneil I'm sorry, pro-rape? How does your head work?
elmundopasa1 1 month ago
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Obviously it doesn't .
mesaeddie 1 month ago
@elmundopasa1 There were a tremendous amount of sexual assaults at the OWS events. If you are going to use the method of taking extreme signs or events at Tea Party gatherings then you should do the same for OWS, which had a much worse track record (# of sexual assaults at Tea Party events = 0). If you hadn't heard about all the assaults then expand your media consumption.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil ok what do you get pro rape from, because Fox news told you so like the voice in your head? Where is the pro drug abuse? So even though the facts of the statistics of rape and drug abuse are the same in any city, and less so if hands of people, some of whom say they are OWS but are there for other purposes, you say they are pro rape? How about giving us facts and statistics? That is right you have none, just hyperbole rhetoric you learn from Fox news and Glenn Beck.
aquariuscomfort 1 month ago
@aquariuscomfort Hi -- sorry, thought my point was obvious. If you want to make an entire video based on very small elements of a large group, then you have basically constructed a straw man. That's what happened here. My point was simply that using that tactics you would have much more of a case to paint the OWS in the ways I described.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@aquariuscomfort P.S. I don't watch Fox news or listen to Beck, but thanks for visiting from stereotype land. I encourage you to expand your media consumption a bit. I get lots of liberal and conservative input with which to form my views.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil I'm not sure what video you watched, but I never got any of that. Also not sure what TV your watching but you might want to turn it off.
Osomotley 1 month ago
@Osomotley I don't watch TV for news. I get my news via multiple liberal and conservative sources. The conservative ones have proved to be very reliable over time. The liberal sources aren't, because none exist, but I read them anyway.
homerjneil 1 month ago
@homerjneil : You seem to imply these examples of tea party rhetoric are unrealistic. Don't know where you get your news, but it looks to me like the maker of this video did their research pretty thoroughly. I know I've seen every one of those signs.
gigmeister53 1 month ago
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@gigmeister53 I don't watch TV for news, and don't listen to or watch Fox or Beck. I get my news via multiple liberal and conservative sources. The conservative ones have proved to be very reliable over time. The liberal sources aren't, because none exist, but I read them anyway.
homerjneil 1 month ago