Atemi waza is not longer used in competition but in self defense we allways use punching and kicking. Judo has Grappling, Proyection and Punching/Kicking techniques.
The Kata Is Actully Very Good Demenstartion Of How To Stop Someone going to hit you it is a great way to show self defense . I Perfure Judo From All Other Marcial Arts
I love Judo so much and think the inclusion of kata was one of the best ideas Kano had. Still a great system, very practical for anyone, and although the kata seems like a weird idea it does allow the player over time to absolutely perfect each intricate movement down to the slightest degree.
One of the problems with Judo as a means of self self defense is that if your opponent is not wearing the appropriate clothes but say a T-shirt many of the techniques are not easy to put into practise.
@turockandar harder to put into practice, but you can still throw with a tee shirt. The tee shirt probably would be in good condition afterwards, but it'll work.
@turockandar psh, it doesnt take a genius to find out what to grab if the opponant isn't wering appropriate clothing (though in most cases they would be wearing something you could work with), you can grab the wrist, under the arm, around the back, around the neck, the shoulders, the hair, their ear(s), groin, etc. etc. so its very easy to transition from gi to no-gi, at the same time, gi grappling gives a huge advantage over non-gi if your assailant is wearing clothes, which most would be.
Does anyone know where I can find the original version of this video? I think it used to be on the old judo info site and you could download it (~25Mb). I used to have it on an old computer but now I can't find it!
@kenshin420jj Well they still are permitted but only in kata form. Some Judo throws are also forbidden in competition but they are still taught. Just because an art has a sportive side doesn't mean you cannot practice the "budo-side" to it.
By the way, Kenjutsu is a sword art. It's the ancestor of Kendo.
Partly true. Katas are a way to demonstrate judo "principles" such as kuzushi (breaking balance) but not necessarily to train how to counter a punch or kick (the punches in the kata are very rigid and formalised)
Judo IS good for self-defense as it teaches realistic techniques which are practiced against fully-resisting opponents during randori (sparring).
It is not a COMPLETE SD system, though. For that you'd have to combine other styles. REAL SD is avoiding confrontation.
Thank you. One more question: some people say that kicking and punching is forbidden in judo. Every internet site tells that. Why do they tell you this when there is atemi waza?
Because atemi-waza USED to be part of judo in the early days of judo's beginnings, but is no longer. It has been removed. SOME clubs may practice it still, but they are very, very, very few non-"mainstream" places.
@larbo1616 I don't think so. The sporting side of Judo has brought a remarkable popularity. In addition remember that Judo is also an Olimpic sport, unlike most other sports based on martial arts, and I think this is a merit. Certanly some aspect of the martial art deserve more attention..
That's not quite right. Atemi waza is still part of Kodokan judo. It is not part of judo shiai or randori. Is that what you meant? There is much more to judo than just the sport.
@larbo1616 atemi waza is a solo excersize. found in tandoku-Renshu with the second tenant of judo as "mutual welfare and benifit" there is no need to practice hitting a person. that can be done alone and used in situations were personal safety is paramount.
@judogido Yes, your last sentence was right on the money friend. I am a martial arts Dancha myself (1st DAN TKD), and i fully agree that the most effective form of self-defense, bar none, is being able to avoid confrontation entirely. Solving disputes/hostile situations through non-violent means is the way forward
Perhaps they are mistaken; in my humble opinion judo is a wonderful self defense.
Please tell some people to try judo to at least a competency level of 3rd/ 4th dan level and then comment .
Actually I think it's a leading self defense system, with throwing and joint locking excellent, easier than striking to achieve a KO victory for beginners and advanced levels.
After the first throw, Uke and Tori should stand up at the same time.
The Uke gets up correctly (most of the time anyway), but then has to move to adjust his position relative to tori. Done properly, he should be standing in the correct place as he gets up, not walking to it. Except for a few where this is not possible.
It's ok not by any means wonderful! for a 6th Dan it's average at best, lots of movement getting back to position with Tori not waiting on Uki to initiate didn't show much Kuzushi in the Tea waza didn't get low enough in Seo gave back to Josiki... they'll pass for the Nidan test though!
I have to agree. There are many techincal flaws in this display that I would not expect from a 6th Dan. Timing is off, Uke keeps getting up on the wrong knee after a left side throw, backs to the judge, cutting corners when they go to adjust their gi, etc.
jukoka1 is correct. The uke's form in getting up could use some work. At least he gets up facing joseki, but he stands up too far away from tori and has to take steps to get into the correct position.
I'm learning this kata for a local tournament in 2 weeks and was looking for how the uke is supposed to get up. The other Japanese version I found here from the Kodakan (2 5th Dans), the uke always gets up with his back to joseki which I was told is wrong.
Even though they are 5th or 6th dans! Remember that in Japan they promote strictly on ability in shia (local, promotion & international) they do require the Judoka to know the kata but not necessary prefect it. I noticed in nations outside Japan they learn kata in much more detail and vigor (Brazil, France...) than Japan unfortunately.
The reason it is called nage no kata is because the focus in japan is on the technique (grip, moving, balance and throw) and not on the part right before and after.
But I agree that it does look better when that part is added.
If it is all about beauty and form, please tell me why it is done... Although Kodokan remains strict about their policies on which techniques they accept as "judo" it has always been a martial art. This isn't dancing or gymnastics, it should be a thorough demonstration of when to use which nage-waza and why. This is to put it frankly "theater" and not a good demonstration.
I agree that it is wonderful to look at, but still it is neither pedagogical or demonstrative.
Nage no kata is all about kuzushi.ask any of japans best Judoka...when they are having trouble with Kuzushi in competition- they practice Nage no Kata!
You should really consider the purpose of Budo. This is a correct demonstration.
Demonstration is to demonstrate, to show, to perform for public. Flashy, dynamic or kata, it doesn't matter. This is a demonstration of true kata from judo.
Well, honestly this is beautiful. However, as a competitive judoka I used to find kata boring and this is the reason. Sure the techniques are very good, but it's all way too static. There is a very important reason for the three steps at each throw, namely the change from uke's action to tori's nage waza. Unfortunately this does not show here or on any other YouTube videos I have seen up to this date of Nage-no-Kata
You are very right with your comment and that's why in Holland there is a big discussion about doing it the Kodokan (Abe) way or the Budosenmon (Michigami) way.
Because of international kata-competition, where only the Kodokan way is permitted, this discussion started.
But 90% of the kata-experts in Holland trained the Budosenmon (militairy) way for years. That's the kata where the 3-step really has it's effect!
Beautiful.
davedadrumma 3 months ago
this is the most beautifull part of judo.
MrRamboman123 4 months ago
Atemi waza is not longer used in competition but in self defense we allways use punching and kicking. Judo has Grappling, Proyection and Punching/Kicking techniques.
BanSmooth 4 months ago
Bela apresentação do Nage No Kata, que são as formas fundamentais de projeção no Judô.
Goiano
GOIANOBRAGA 4 months ago
The Kata Is Actully Very Good Demenstartion Of How To Stop Someone going to hit you it is a great way to show self defense . I Perfure Judo From All Other Marcial Arts
rbccproductions 7 months ago
I love Judo so much and think the inclusion of kata was one of the best ideas Kano had. Still a great system, very practical for anyone, and although the kata seems like a weird idea it does allow the player over time to absolutely perfect each intricate movement down to the slightest degree.
wandysilva 7 months ago
One of the problems with Judo as a means of self self defense is that if your opponent is not wearing the appropriate clothes but say a T-shirt many of the techniques are not easy to put into practise.
turockandar 9 months ago
@turockandar harder to put into practice, but you can still throw with a tee shirt. The tee shirt probably would be in good condition afterwards, but it'll work.
roentgen571 9 months ago
@turockandar psh, it doesnt take a genius to find out what to grab if the opponant isn't wering appropriate clothing (though in most cases they would be wearing something you could work with), you can grab the wrist, under the arm, around the back, around the neck, the shoulders, the hair, their ear(s), groin, etc. etc. so its very easy to transition from gi to no-gi, at the same time, gi grappling gives a huge advantage over non-gi if your assailant is wearing clothes, which most would be.
farorin 8 months ago
So then are the kata in Judo grappling-based only and never a solo act like with Karate?
DrummermanMatt 11 months ago
@DrummermanMatt yes, there are no solo katas in judo.
roentgen571 9 months ago
Does anyone know where I can find the original version of this video? I think it used to be on the old judo info site and you could download it (~25Mb). I used to have it on an old computer but now I can't find it!
Galileo005 1 year ago
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kenshin420jj 1 year ago
kata is pattern/form
kumite -=sparring
i do karate not judo but judo is still japnese good if you no both
also i like to add kata in karate is way different
marcuswdavis2010 1 year ago
kata is pattern/form
kumite -=sparring
i do karate not judo but judo is still japnese good if you no both
marcuswdavis2010 1 year ago
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kenshin420jj 1 year ago
@kenshin420jj Well they still are permitted but only in kata form. Some Judo throws are also forbidden in competition but they are still taught. Just because an art has a sportive side doesn't mean you cannot practice the "budo-side" to it.
By the way, Kenjutsu is a sword art. It's the ancestor of Kendo.
FearThisChannel 1 year ago
thanks for the video.
perfect technique - great for teaching the kata
hsyoutoobe 1 year ago
thanks for the video.
perfect technique - great for practicing the kata
hsyoutoobe 1 year ago
Excellent done!
frank17latindaddy 1 year ago
Damm, perfect technique. Scary, how perfect the technique is.
Smaugsfire 1 year ago
I Love JUDO!!!!!!! <3
DmartaX 1 year ago
judo as self defense will send him to the hospital IF he is lucky
dokha 1 year ago
Beatiful T^T
drandula 1 year ago
Jujutsu...great self defense system. It doesn't generally have mid range strikes and no long range strikes, but the close range strikes are brutal.
Judo...as a sport, it's phenomenal. As a martial art, you're better off studying jujutsu.
I can't knock Judo as a self defense system because back in Kano's time, it used to have strikes. Hell, it was even called "Kano Jujutsu"
BuckMuscles 1 year ago
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DillonKeogh 1 year ago
Some people told me that judo isn't good for self-defense, but know I can prove that they are wrong: kata's are these ways of selfdefense.
larbo1616 2 years ago
@larbo1616
Partly true. Katas are a way to demonstrate judo "principles" such as kuzushi (breaking balance) but not necessarily to train how to counter a punch or kick (the punches in the kata are very rigid and formalised)
Judo IS good for self-defense as it teaches realistic techniques which are practiced against fully-resisting opponents during randori (sparring).
It is not a COMPLETE SD system, though. For that you'd have to combine other styles. REAL SD is avoiding confrontation.
judogido 2 years ago 14
@judogido
Thank you. One more question: some people say that kicking and punching is forbidden in judo. Every internet site tells that. Why do they tell you this when there is atemi waza?
larbo1616 2 years ago
@larbo1616
Because atemi-waza USED to be part of judo in the early days of judo's beginnings, but is no longer. It has been removed. SOME clubs may practice it still, but they are very, very, very few non-"mainstream" places.
Judo is about grappling only.
judogido 2 years ago 2
That really is a pity. I want the old judo. Not a strange and modified sport version. Judo musn't become a sport. It has to be a budo art worthy.
larbo1616 2 years ago
Judo is what we make it...many and varied approaches;
some train sport judo; some train combat judo, some coaches/teachers the budo aspects are emphasized!
chchjudoschool 2 years ago
Could be, but how do I know what aspect of judo my teacher teaches?
larbo1616 2 years ago
Similar to karate or aikido, you vote with your feet, or align with the club you represent.
It's tricky for beginners to assess, but there will always be good & bad coaches and weak & strong clubs.
Choose carefully, perhaps an introduction is wise?
chchjudoschool 2 years ago
I am already at a club, and I respect my teacher very much. Apart from judo, I also do aikibudo, which is taught by the same teacher.
larbo1616 2 years ago
It sounds as if you already will have an appreciation of combat judo.
Sport judo teachers often have no idea of this aspect.
Your teacher might allow you to cross train in aikibudo?
I think you will find many similarities...
chchjudoschool 2 years ago
@chchjudoschool
Sambo is like judo, but with the combat aspect.... And with lots of the GOOD throws the IJF made illegal.... [But they had their reasons]
SupremeCommanderSil 1 year ago
@larbo1616 I don't think so. The sporting side of Judo has brought a remarkable popularity. In addition remember that Judo is also an Olimpic sport, unlike most other sports based on martial arts, and I think this is a merit. Certanly some aspect of the martial art deserve more attention..
calcaroth 4 months ago
@judogido
That's not quite right. Atemi waza is still part of Kodokan judo. It is not part of judo shiai or randori. Is that what you meant? There is much more to judo than just the sport.
iancipperly 4 months ago
@larbo1616 atemi waza is a solo excersize. found in tandoku-Renshu with the second tenant of judo as "mutual welfare and benifit" there is no need to practice hitting a person. that can be done alone and used in situations were personal safety is paramount.
lve4lvn2 1 year ago
@larbo1616 punching and kicking is forbidden in judo contests and randori (free practice or "sparring"). It is not forbidden from the dojo entirely.
roentgen571 9 months ago
@judogido Yes, your last sentence was right on the money friend. I am a martial arts Dancha myself (1st DAN TKD), and i fully agree that the most effective form of self-defense, bar none, is being able to avoid confrontation entirely. Solving disputes/hostile situations through non-violent means is the way forward
Peter20UK 1 year ago
Perhaps they are mistaken; in my humble opinion judo is a wonderful self defense.
Please tell some people to try judo to at least a competency level of 3rd/ 4th dan level and then comment .
Actually I think it's a leading self defense system, with throwing and joint locking excellent, easier than striking to achieve a KO victory for beginners and advanced levels.
chchjudoschool 2 years ago
@larbo1616 ROFL, kata is the "art" idiot
RSixBoy 1 year ago
@RSixBoy Shut up if you have no meaningful comments.
larbo1616 1 year ago
hum
nescauJK 8 months ago
@larbo1616 Yes you are right. It is only when you have reached a higher level that you start to learn Nage No kata as your first.
SenseiBlackShadow 5 months ago
@SenseiBlackShadow Nage no Kata was the kata you had for first Dan, right?
larbo1616 5 months ago
@larbo1616 in holland it is :P
SurfacingChannel 4 months ago
esses são
soda
IkkIs2judo 2 years ago
Aha! So thats how its done! I have only ever seen the first set of three throws that ends with the kata guruma.
farorin 2 years ago
excellent form and collaboration!
josecarlos1955 3 years ago
I think it's Perfect!
If it wasn't so, they would never be 6th dan!
ilmala84 3 years ago
theres a reason its called nage no kata, rather than tachiagari no kata.
jessen100 3 years ago
Is this at the Kodakan?
After the first throw, Uke and Tori should stand up at the same time.
The Uke gets up correctly (most of the time anyway), but then has to move to adjust his position relative to tori. Done properly, he should be standing in the correct place as he gets up, not walking to it. Except for a few where this is not possible.
dwilliss 3 years ago
Yes the Kodokan.
judoka1 3 years ago
Respect. Great kata forms.
SektorB 3 years ago
Pourquoi ne descendent-ils jamais sur les jambes pou faire leur kataguruma. Pauvre uke .
Necnom 3 years ago
this is so boring
wowkid0330 3 years ago
One word.....FLAWLESS!!
judoka1976 4 years ago 2
oh my god :-) they're presentation of nage no kata is amazing!
clashelche 4 years ago 2
It's ok not by any means wonderful! for a 6th Dan it's average at best, lots of movement getting back to position with Tori not waiting on Uki to initiate didn't show much Kuzushi in the Tea waza didn't get low enough in Seo gave back to Josiki... they'll pass for the Nidan test though!
judoka1 4 years ago
u didnt even spell uke right
narutoseal51 4 years ago
I didn't know it was a word of the English language!! but if that's all you have to comment on then ..cheers
judoka1 4 years ago
If I were you, I'd learn to use correct spelling and grammar in your ENGLISH before you go correcting other people's japanese.
capjbadger 3 years ago 2
I have to agree. There are many techincal flaws in this display that I would not expect from a 6th Dan. Timing is off, Uke keeps getting up on the wrong knee after a left side throw, backs to the judge, cutting corners when they go to adjust their gi, etc.
capjbadger 3 years ago
jukoka1 is correct. The uke's form in getting up could use some work. At least he gets up facing joseki, but he stands up too far away from tori and has to take steps to get into the correct position.
I'm learning this kata for a local tournament in 2 weeks and was looking for how the uke is supposed to get up. The other Japanese version I found here from the Kodakan (2 5th Dans), the uke always gets up with his back to joseki which I was told is wrong.
dwilliss 3 years ago
Even though they are 5th or 6th dans! Remember that in Japan they promote strictly on ability in shia (local, promotion & international) they do require the Judoka to know the kata but not necessary prefect it. I noticed in nations outside Japan they learn kata in much more detail and vigor (Brazil, France...) than Japan unfortunately.
judoka1 3 years ago
True, but only to a point,
The reason it is called nage no kata is because the focus in japan is on the technique (grip, moving, balance and throw) and not on the part right before and after.
But I agree that it does look better when that part is added.
Dhurrin2 2 years ago
o man..i'm competing in nage no kata for the first time in august!
painstrulove 4 years ago
all the best
rhkick23 4 years ago
cool
narutoseal51 4 years ago
kannattais jätkillä treenata ennenkuin lähtee näyttämään
kataa!
aripekka1234 4 years ago
god, i remember doing this kata. these guys make it seem so easy...
Majestic888 4 years ago
............perfect!
negerkiller 4 years ago
Wonderful
Devinators 4 years ago
Beautifully done.
If anyone doesn't get what kata is all about, It all about beauty and form. It's not about agression and strength.
kigawman 4 years ago
If it is all about beauty and form, please tell me why it is done... Although Kodokan remains strict about their policies on which techniques they accept as "judo" it has always been a martial art. This isn't dancing or gymnastics, it should be a thorough demonstration of when to use which nage-waza and why. This is to put it frankly "theater" and not a good demonstration.
I agree that it is wonderful to look at, but still it is neither pedagogical or demonstrative.
Fresern 4 years ago
Nage no kata is all about kuzushi.ask any of japans best Judoka...when they are having trouble with Kuzushi in competition- they practice Nage no Kata!
Best regards!
cristof4judo 4 years ago
You should really consider the purpose of Budo. This is a correct demonstration.
Demonstration is to demonstrate, to show, to perform for public. Flashy, dynamic or kata, it doesn't matter. This is a demonstration of true kata from judo.
WadoAJ 4 years ago
I'm not sure wether Uke did show yoseki his back, but except for this, impressive show!
OctrinEddy 4 years ago
This is beautiful.
94FZR 4 years ago
Well, honestly this is beautiful. However, as a competitive judoka I used to find kata boring and this is the reason. Sure the techniques are very good, but it's all way too static. There is a very important reason for the three steps at each throw, namely the change from uke's action to tori's nage waza. Unfortunately this does not show here or on any other YouTube videos I have seen up to this date of Nage-no-Kata
Fresern 4 years ago
Hi,
You are very right with your comment and that's why in Holland there is a big discussion about doing it the Kodokan (Abe) way or the Budosenmon (Michigami) way.
Because of international kata-competition, where only the Kodokan way is permitted, this discussion started.
But 90% of the kata-experts in Holland trained the Budosenmon (militairy) way for years. That's the kata where the 3-step really has it's effect!
Greetings Harry
randori56 4 years ago
very clean, makes me want to practice my judo with more passion
mechaghost 5 years ago
that.. is... so effing... awesome...
nicotine1025 5 years ago
i wish i could perform as good as that!
yananica 5 years ago
they suck
baytown1 5 years ago
do you know what nage no kata is ??
nickynoneck 4 years ago
That is perfection!
UchiMataMakiKomi 5 years ago
the throws all seem effortless, exactly how it should be.
jetblackdragoon 5 years ago
great man
Poison666lord 5 years ago
Good clean techniques all round. Is this at the Kodokan?
dmac1920 5 years ago
best kata videao I've ever seen on the internet :)
SalieriFoundation 5 years ago
beautiful
riodejaneir10 5 years ago
nice
lekpit 5 years ago