Arch Linux Review

[bootiack]

archlinux is the greatest curent os. BSd can't match it upgradeability in all binary, and its recent packages, and its ability to compiel all free software, which bsd has problems with at times. lvm2+software raid 10 makes zfs irrelevant. bsd and solaris cant compete arch obsoletes deadrat u bung 2 and dweebian and rest of linuxes you cant upgrade solaris or bsd accross versions in binary; bsd ports cause endless compiles; solaris unstable due to patching and bloat, linux better threads

[lucatechxx]

The GUI install defeats the purpose of Arch Linux.

[demonstrator56]

are you using chakra?

[lucatechxx]

First time took me 4 hours with gnome ,but it was worth it. then the second go round was 2 hours to install with KDE. I loved the experience but have at least 6 months of some Linux(Ubuntu) and command line experience, so you don't feel completely lost.

[Jebususu]

"The install for Arch Linux is absoloutely stupid" If you think like this then I very much doubt arch is the distro for you. Maybe try ubuntu..

[supallama]

I have archlinux, and sometimes it randomley makes 4 new unaccesable desktop screens, i can see them by pressing CTRL + ALT + left mouse click and hold + drag mouse, or CTRL + ALT + back arrow and I can see smaller desktop windows but I cant use them, i want this to stop. any ideas? terminal? configuration?

[Rokalacs]

The installer is great except the partitioner. It can't modify any ntfs partitions but formating them. I have 2 of them one for win7 and the other one is for all my data. When I installed arch I crossed my fingers a hundred times for not to format any of those partitions even accidentally. Imo it should've a GUI installer from live cd for example and then come back to the bash, it could really save time.

[RainSkG]

@Rokalacs You just have to make sure you don't touch those partitions (just write down the names of each - Sda1, Sda2 Windows...). I've installed Arch several times in laptops with Windows partitions and I've never had any kind of problems or fear of formatting them.

I actually liked the installer. And I love Arch, my only concern is about the unsigned packages thing. I'm afraid everytime I install/update something, I think this is worse than viruses! I'm thinking about trying Sabayon.

[trisky1234]

I don't know what the hell you're on about when you say the arch install is stupud. Are you from another planet?

[SolomonKull]

Arch is elite.

[jcorley2710]

Have you tried Arch lately? HORRIBLE. I fiddled around with it a few months back and the latest version most of the install servers were down, a lot of lost packages. I hope they fixed all the problems but I doubt I'll be going back to try it anytime soon.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@jcorley2710 thats a shame :/

[BociPuki]

@TheyCallMeConfucious "the install for arch linux is absolutely stupid": may i ask what do you mean by "the install is stupid"? Actually im relatively new to linux, but i barely had any problems... oh yeah i had one... i had to read the friggin manual and some of the wiki pages. IMHO the best part in arch is that its "install is stupid", so ppl have the oportunity to do things by themselves and learn about how stuff work :P.

[ABHowitzer]

@jcorley2710

You do know you have to select a mirror yourself right?

If your pick doesn't work (highly unlikely unless you used an old release e.g. 2008.03), just select another one doofus!

A.

[jcorley2710]

@ABHowitzer Nah I don't remember the release. But I tried 3 local mirrors I know one was GA Tech, and 2 others in my area that I got insane download speeds from. But they would have "some" of the packages, I know you can put multiple mirrors in your list and it will download from another when the 1st pick doesn't have the package, but the thing was that most of the mirrors were missing packages, like I said I dunno if they fixed or what.

[jcorley2710]

@ABHowitzer but I'm feeling in a linux mood today I might just check up on Arch, either Arch or Gentoo, just takes so damn long to compile gentoo =\

[robvelor]

@jcorley2710 not true, i've been using it for the last 6 months, not problem whatsoever

[RunningLemonStudios]

You sortof lost my respect by referring to the install process as "stupid"

It's just text installer. If you're referring to the configuration after installing, it has to be that basic to be as customizable and light as possible. I think you're kindof missing the point of arch.

[invnd1245]

Why do you say that Arch is especially good for KDE users? What is so special about KDE in Arch?

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@invnd1245 KDE is popular with arch because, before KDE was modularized, if you wanted to use KDE, you had to install the whole suite (games, movie players, everything) which made it really bogged down and bloated. so arch users created the kdemod project which modularized everything. this was rad because it meant you could do a minimalistic install of KDE, which was only possible (well, it was only easily done) with arch linux. nowadays it doesnt really matter if you use gnome or kde.

[asfaqqq]

I'd like to see you install gentoo.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@asfaqqq haha. that's like my nightmare.

[trisky1234]

@asfaqqq Ha. I tried a week ago. Never again.

[lordxathor]

Seriously? The install is difficult? I installed it on several boxes without any issues. It guides you though the whole install just fine. You could probably install it just fine if you just press enter the whole way through. Why do you need a GUI? I installed on a nvidia software raid0 just following a simple how-to and it worked just fine the first time. Your need for a GUI is probably the same reason you like KDE.

[vahnfish]

How come when I drag around my windows in Gnome or XFCE they move weird. And I must place my panels every boot.

[Savenku]

dude.....I found this hilarious

[Jorkyify]

who made this video is stupid cause arch install suposed to be as it is, becouse it's lightwave rolling release distro, which mean's that user have complete acess to every process. And KDE is lame becouse it's bugy and slow, so use GNOME. (LoveandEqualityToAll): Archlinux use source so it's absurd trying to install deb. packages,

[EXetoC]

@Jorkyify "Archlinux use source so it's absurd trying to install deb. packages." I'm not sure what you mean by that, but all the official packages are binaries. However, most packages in the user repository, which aren't officially supported, are built from source.

[bootiack]

you fool, archlinux could be the greatest, only freebsd and netbsd contend, until I can figure out plan9 anyhow --- you are a gui goon go use a mac and get a latte

[shadyabhi]

at 3:30.. the guy says, yaourt is GUI program for easily installing programs.. CRAP... this guy doest even know what does GUI mean

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@shadyabhi oops

[shadyabhi]

@TheyCallMeConfucious

Arch linux installation is complicated.. How can you say that? Its very straight forward...

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@shadyabhi because to install windows, mac, ubuntu, or most other os's, i just had to click a few buttons. you dont need tutorials to install those, lol. needing instructions on how to install an os is probably a bad thing.

[egadw]

@TheyCallMeConfucious If you read about the Arch Way, you'd know why and shouldn't complain about it.

[olykwon]

I wouldnt call this a review, but more of a great video for someone interested in how arch is, I personally think arch is best because you can really truely optimize it and another fine point i dont think you were aware of is installing window managers in a BASE configuration, meaning it will only install the window manager, even KDE has it, you just need to know what all apps do and enter n to the ones you dont need, only problem ive had is cedega but thts on any distro,

[Gt5OOkr]

@cenking you have to work with it and have a general idea (and in some cases have some knowledege) of what your doing. its like your buying the parts to a kit car and it shows up unassembled and you say sht about the manufacter for giving you a "broken" car

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@Gt5OOkr great analogy

[mgedier]

ARCH LINUX?? JUST WHEN INSTALLING IS VER VERY DIFFICULT, I CANT IMAGINE HOW WOLD BE THE OPERATION OF THAT SHIT INSTALLED!!!

[EXetoC]

@mgedier It's not hard, but if you are a newbie, maybe you should start with something simpler, and why do you assume that a "complicated" install process means that using the distribution will be difficult as well?

[danij3l]

difficult != stupid

why do n00bs do reviews?

[slenkar]

ive installed arch by itself on a pc , but i have another pc with windows xp that i can dual boot, could you do a tutorial for installation and making sure that windows is not deleted and that it is accesible on the boot menu? All the other tutorials just cover the single-OS installation./

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@NiGhtMarEs0nWax if you are talking about the aur... nothing. if someone downloads it and sees that it is malicious, they tell people and it gets taken down. hopefully, that person won't be you, lol

[NiGhtMarEs0nWax]

@TheyCallMeConfucious i guess there is a voting system for a reason huh?

[67576856666478964567]

@NiGhtMarEs0nWax I'm pretty sure that it's all peer reviewed before it makes it into the repos. Ask on the arch forums.

[cenking]

ARCH LINUX IS THE BIGGEST CRAP ON EARTH; NOTHING WORKS ON THIS SHIT SYSTEM, PLEASE DONT SUPPORT LINUX STUFF SHIT; ITS ALL CRAP. MY WHOLE COMPUTER IS RUINED, i'm SO MAD!

[NiGhtMarEs0nWax]

@cenking lol ruined? stick to windows or ubuntu if it is too difficult.

[Peetowan]

so "yaourt" is what "apt-get" is for debian?

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@Peetowan no, pacman is more like apt-get for debian. yaourt is like a apt-get that has one repository, that everyone can contribute to.

[blupoe]

typing /arch/setup is stupid ? I thought it was pretty easy

[fixehfixeh]

Install tutorial / demonstration for Gnome and X on my page if anyone is interested. The installer is great, by the way. GUI installers are horrible.

[putto123]

Arch? Hard? I've even installed it, and I don't even use Linux.

[islandmassive]

I've only watched the first 20 seconds of your video because I was so put off by the fact that the first thing you mention is how stupid the install is

seriously grow a brain

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@islandmassive sigh. right, well, unless you give a valid reason why the install is NOT stupid, ill just assume your a fanboy lol

[windows7linux]

How is the hardware support? so far, every linux distro except mandriva doesn't have my laptop's sleep drivers.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@windows7linux thats sort of a tough question. hardware is one of those things where its totally subjective. like, i can only speak for my hardware. that being said, its definitely had all the drivers I needed (however, your laptop sort of sounds obscure if mandriva is the only distro with your drivers)

also, you should be eager to bail out of mandriva. things arent going so great over there, lol.

[rorgoroth]

Arch install is not stupid, it is very well documented and a great way to install.

If you are too stupid to read very simple documentation and think the install is stupid and you need a gui then use some other distro.

Arch isnt for beginners, it requires you to learn quite a few things, Arch live CD's or gui installers? Arch should not be dumbed down for idiots imo.

[bonniekwacha]

Jan Mettes the project leader of chakra died in his sleep recently... RIP...

I tried chakra and at first it didn't work with my graphics card gtx295 and SSD. I removed G'card and unplugged SSD as sda. Tried chakra and it worked straight away. Everything works great. Chakra is obviously in its early stages so probably won't work on the newer hardware... Standard harddrive and onboard graphics and i;s works great... RIP Jan Mettes... wicked idea... #peace

[Mkbu]

good :d

[lgolebio]

Which program did you use to record your desktop and voice ?

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@lgolebio gtk-recordmdesktop + audacity

[ToastStrangler]

The Arch Install Method is only stupid if you don't enjoy a fast, seamless system result ;)

[bamdadkhan]

yeah, nice one. i've been searching for a distro for my thinkpad t42. _none_ has worked as good as arch linux, and it even consumes much less memory than others, since only things i need are installed.

and about being up-to-date: gnome 2.30.0 was released this morning, it was in the community repo at about noon. :D

i can't thank you (and other arch users on youtube) for pointing me in the right direction.

[felziusz]

Arch installation isn't stupid. If you're beginner probably you'd have problems and take some time but remeber: It's not stupid it's simple! If you are experienced enough you'll be found the install easy, fast and very configurable also. This distro is not for beginners. So think before you say something.

when my girlfriend installed this distro she found the installer ugly. She is linux&compiz-fusion fan :)

[WiiGeee]

great review, ive been wanting to ditch ubuntu based distros (been on Mint for a year) but hadnt really decided on what to move on to, this sold me on arch. However i disagree that the install is "stupid" definetly tricky, but with the the guides out there, its really a pice of cake. Though it would be nice if it were easier on total newbs. I wouldnt hand Arch CD-Rs out on the bus like i would a 'buntu flavour.

[nantocsem]

I love arch, I'm using it. The best distro I ever used, mostly coz the rolling release system, and the fact, that I could install it from zero (only necessary drivers).

People say, that arch should get a graphical installer. I disagree. The maximum I could imagine from arch is an after restart /arch/setup2 or something, on which you can choose packages like on freebsd, and it guides you through the startup modules and daemons which you have to set up after package management

[zpet731]

I would disagree about the difficulty and length of install for Arch. Coming from gentoo arch seems like a breeze to install. But again it isn't for everyone and newbie's should stick to main stream.

[xpl0i7z]

Also yaourt is not a gui for pacman either, its a wrapper. It just searches the AUR. You should check out powerpill. Its also a pacman wrapper but it speeds up update/download times. You can use it with yaourt to so yaourt would be faster you define it in /etc/yaourtrc. uncomment PacmanBin. Set it to PacmanBin /usr/bin/powerpill(of cource after you have downloaded powerpill)

[xpl0i7z]

The Arch Linux install is anything but stupid. Remember KISS. An installer just is bloat and problems. There are a few distro's that are arch based ie Kahel OS. Which imo is horrible. The thing is to, most(all advanced) distro's are cli based anyways. Once you get used to it its simple trust me. Its a breeze going through it really. The arch install simplifies everything already a LOT to. You can have a basic system up in no time with minimal configuration.

[SuperSonic44]

Arch isn't that hard to install once you get used to it. Mine's quicker than kubuntu now!

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@SuperSonic44 i agree

[SuperSonic44]

my bad, I didn't notice you'd posted it months ago XD

[MichaelDRennie]

Thanks for posting this my friend. I am new to the Linux game and I quickly outgrew Kubuntu. I was debating making the switch to either Gentoo or Arch and I think you make a solid case for Arch. I can get quite a bit done in the console, but I would prefer to spend as little time their as possible. It's 2010, I want to look at pretty stuff, not a black text based interface. Arch seems to be a good balance between usability and advanced customization ability. Thanks again.

[ras0ir]

lol thanks for voting my package

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@ras0ir :)

[aktassuha]

@ras0ir bu gökmen abinin pati şeysi değil mi:) ?

[lordmetroid]

No GUIs are stupid, the archlinux installation software is very good.

[jcorley2710]

Why do you need a gui install? I don't understand, I prefer the console install. It's very easy and it also basically walks you through it as you're installing it. I agree it may need a GUI option for new users who aren't familiar with console, but compared to a gentoo install. Arch is so cake. And dude Pac man.... it's the "PACkage MANager" Why didn't you just say that lol. You seem to rely to much on GUI, IMO console is so much better, learn to use it.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

because gui is easier lol, for the same reason we use graphs to relay information instead of just saying sentences. and yeah, it might be easier compared to gentoo, but what isnt? gentoo is ridiculous. and i do indeed love the console for certain things (package management)... but mostly, gui is where its at. i dont see mac users or windows users having to fiddle with their consoles... (well the power users maybe, but thats a different story XD)

[FearMyWreath]

You seem to be missing the point with Arch Linux. Arch Linux is made for users who want to understand a bit more about how Linux works and do more with their system; Arch Linux is basically for power users. And since you need know how Arch works in order to maintain your system, the console install is the right thing to do since you learn much more about how the system works. With simple GUI installers beginners would be fooled to think that Arch is a beginner-friendly system.

[zequelll]

exactly if you want easy get ubuntu people this is a power user distro. been using arch for almost a year now and its excellent. use the command line alot and its good for redundancy if the video driver breaks or something.

[UnforgivableMen]

@FearMyWreath The most beginner friendly that I've experienced is Ubuntu 10.04 I'm a beginner and I totally love it. Fast, simple and reliable

[abboration]

It is not meant as a first user system as said before but the installer isn't the issue with this.

The real problem arises when it goes wrong

Basicly the lag of troubleshoot knowlegde.

And you only get that by time

But a new user lags confidence on a system as this

If you have minor linux knowlegde do not go for the lastest software go for the recommended by vendor,user

or expect alot of rebuilds.

You said ubuntu had out of date packages.

I would even call those to soon for user deployment

[kakita123]

bad review u failed to explain the true filosofy about arch and the install is not hard is absolutly necessary for you to learn about arch and linux

Also pacman is like God of package managers, i only agree with KDEmod wich is awsome

and Chakra works like a charm although everyone should install arch the tradicional way to learn then u can install chakra

Anyway who cares about a review when u know Arch is the best

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

the install is indeed hard.

i agree, pacman rocks.

chakra does *not* work like a charm. ive tried every release so far and none of them have worked

[kakita123]

@TheyCallMeConfucious

well i tried only alpha4 and it worked only had a grub problem but i fixed it

[itsbrad212]

I love arch. I think the install is *easier* than ubuntu. Then there's gentoo...

[Chaniyth]

To *ME* personally, Gentoo and Arch Linux installs are easy, but then again i've been using Linux on and off since 1998. Arch is easier and quicker to install than Gentoo though. Gentoo is my #1 fav and Arch Linux is my 2nd fave, but Arch Linux is beginning to be my #1 and all time favorite Linux distrobution. :D

[anthonym2121]

I found out about this KDEmod on chakra-project looks pretty sweet and it doesn't install so many apps. very minimal and I get a faster computer. I think I'll get it. If I uninstall my current KDE4 I don't think I would lose my files since it's only the desktop environment right?

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

yep, although I would stick to kde rather than kdemod since kde is modual now. for me, instead of installing kdemod-minimal i install kdebase-workspace

[outubeisawful]

I think the install is pretty easy but I could see how a new user might have trouble the first time if you think Arch's install is stupid you should try gentoo lol

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

ugh, god, i dont even want to think about it lol. get out of here with that madness.

[FearedBliss]

@outubeisawful lol gentoo is insane, I don't think I will ever try again.

[dirty706]

how did you get video for youtube. what mic is being used?

[WilXuH]

cool review

[spikespeigel]

the install on arch is amazingly simple and fast! what are you talking about?

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

perhaps the install might be simple and fast, but the configurations that have to be made to actually get a working, gui-based operating system are neither.

[LoveandEqualityToAll]

So can it install .deb programs?

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

@LoveandEqualityToAll no. it has its own package management. its just as easy if not easier to install packages the arch way though

[LoveandEqualityToAll]

Thank you. Is just i dont know terminal that much. Im a Ubuntu user tired of those 6 month release.

[somethings90]

I am actually installing Arch for educational purposes. So, for me, the configuration mess is a feature.

Nice review though.

[D00d777D00d]

lol dude nice. :]

[YomorokaXD]

ur clearly not a new user :)

[spikespeigel]

no im not, but arch linux is one of the most well documented distributions out there...If you can read you can install and configure it very easily... take a look at the beginners wiki if you get stuck. Its much more comprehensive than the regular installation wiki

[YomorokaXD]

it took me a while to figure it out

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

i sort of think that the fact that it has so much documentation inherently means that it is difficult to install, lol

[wolih]

Dude your internett is so fast.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

i just use it at late hours of the night so my roommates are asleep :D

[acyberj]

So should i get linux mint or arch?

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

it depends on what you want. do you feel like going through the huge hassle of trying to install arch? its even more of a hassle if youve never done it before. that said, i think its the best operating system.

get mint if you don't feel like setting anything up... its more of an out of hte box experience

*thumbs up*

[nantocsem]

arch for president!!! I just uploaded a video showing pacman's fastness :P there were 2 trolls telling windows rules anyway and I had no other ideas, coz they were too stupid :D

[Yldii]

What about KDE3.5 users like me? KDE 4 has done away with everything I love about the K desktop.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

you can install kde 3.5 if you like. And I agree, KDE 3.5 was awesome... but it's over :( good game. gotta move on

[untseac]

6:28 "try arch linux man I'm telling you" rofl ok i'll try it man =p

Already tried red hat (yes red hat not fedora), mandriva, slackware, gentoo, ubuntu, debian (in that order). Seems like gentoo, which is great, but without compiling everything. In fact I switched to debian because I got sick of compiling everything. Thanks for the review, makes me want to try arch linux even more.

[iamagiantseaturd]

You're an idiot...

The install for arch is the main reason to have an arch system.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

ugh.

[librano]

No need to be rude. He has a right to an opinion.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

I mean... he's wrong. Why would an install be a "main reason" for any distribution? Does that even make sense?

[librano]

... my comment was meant for the giant turd guy...

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

yeah i was agreeing.  he doesnt know what hes talking about

[iamagiantseaturd]

The install process of arch linux allows you to completely fine tune the system to your liking quickly Without much BS.

I have the right to my opinion too. I think he's an idiot. ;)

Just follow the wiki word by word. Takes 4 minutes to install (minus download times)

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

without too much bs? please tell me your joking! stop a second to realize you live in a computer world, not just a linux world. were bigger geeks than everyone else, and we shouldnt get used to the fact that customizability should come via complicated means

[iamagiantseaturd]

Then arch isn't the *nix for you. Arch is made for power users who want complete control/customization via bash without having to compile. (If they wanted to compile they'd use gentoo)

If you hate how its done, fork it, or stick to Noobuntu.

[timmyw3ar]

I have been wanting to try this. I'm a Fedora user for about a year now. Their latest release is a headache though. I just have one question. I always partition my HDD like so:

/boot

/swap

/LVM

_/

_/home

_/tmp

_/var

could you point me to link on creating an LVM or explain it to me. Last time I was in the arch installer I got confused with LVM's and gave up.

Thanks for the video. Great Job.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

you can indeed. you can install whatever you want... gnome, xfce, kde, openbox, fluxbox, pekwm, etc. And don't be discourraged by the install; trust me, it definately sucks but once you get by that, you'll love what you got.

[gfetco]

Are you stupid? Its the install that owns u can choose exactly what kind of apps u want and not get tons of unnecessary stuff on ur pc its what is good with archlinux u create ur own customized linux. I hate gui by the way PLUS you will learn lots more if you install it step by step according to their guide.

[ankitpasi1]

Dickhead.

[jmpeax]

Nice video, but the constant panning gives me a headache and makes the video very hard to watch.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

I appologize. I didn't have a 16x9 monitor at the time, and I wanted the video to take up the whole youtube screen. The videos from here on out will be a lot less jerky.

[xwicked7]

The Archlinux installation is NOT difficult at all, unless you're on an Ubuntu level of knowledge of Linux.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

ugh.  everyone says this.

MOST people are indeed at an ubuntu level.

[commodore256]

Most people click on the letter "e" to explore the Internet and If you asked that what browser they used, they would say either "Google" or "Yahoo". (Way below Ubuntu Level)

So installing Arch is very hard for most people.

[unstman12]

i gitting arch

[kaddy01980]

good video mate. Your video is actually what convinced me to try arch, now im happy with it.... always was curious about arch, but didn't effectively install it until I watched a couple tutorial video's as i am too lazy to read the whole wiki. haha! but all good now... learnt the ins and outs over the last month or so... great distro

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

ah sweet dude! im glad the video helped :)

and yeah, its amazing how many people are like 'yeah i havent tried it' and then they try it and love it. agh! such a shame!

[TheLaughingMan84]

Don't blame the Arch linux installer lol.

If you do everything right, it won't flop up.

I mean, I've installed Arch Linux ... well, about 20-30 times since I started with Linux. It floped up like .. 2 times, maybe 3.

And I'd admit it, it was my fault for not paying attention.

Don't be such a dumbass and blame it on the distro.

Also, wtf @ "yaourt is a GUI of pacman"... srysly... wtf..

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

what do you mean dont blame the installer? its the installers fault!

and its my bad on the yaourt is a gui of pacman. i dont think before i speak

[TheLaughingMan84]

How is it? (installers fault thingy)

I think it's great you put up a review and all, I just dissagree that the installer is bad.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

because it all starts with the installer. if people got to actually try arch linux they would see its not too difficult.  they just can't get past the installer :(

[TheLaughingMan84]

Now, tell me. If they can't get past the installer, should they really be experimenting with Arch?

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

I think so. imho, the installer is the hardest part of the operating system

[TheLaughingMan84]

Maybe you should to run the installer once more, and try to not to get hopped up like a kid before christmas-eve and rush through the whole thing. Put of some time and inteligence for the installer ;3

And why would you have everybody use Arch in the first place? That installer is like a fool-proof noob-barrier ;P If the installer was as easy as on Ubuntu, our communities and forum-sites would be filled with noobs too.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

its not like i dont know HOW to use the installer, I install it just fine. but I can recognize the difficulty in it.

and i dont think of it like its a burden for people to try arch. i think its a shame we are making it so difficult for people to try this great os.

[TheLaughingMan84]

Would you really want to invite noobs into our territory? ;P

[librano]

You are 100% right in all the points you make... pros *and* cons.

I started using Linux with Mandrake 9, but then moved over to Ubuntu and then Mint. But I always wanted to give KDE4 a real go. However, every distro I tried just seemed buggy, even Kubuntu.

Then I discovered the Chakra Project! The installer works now though a bit buggy. But Arch is King. I am loving it! Even under the hood it is simple like vanilla. Which is what most of it is!... Just the way the programmers made it!

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

Thanks dude. and hey! I'm about to make a video on the Chakra project! assuming the install works (it didnt work for me in alpha 1 or 2 :( )

[librano]

The installer worked for me... but it did crash 2 or 3 times at the partitioning stage.

You make some good Linux vids... keep up the good work. I'll be looking out for your Chakra Project video.

[trivietnam]

i agree that Arch should have a better installer

[dmanooos]

oh and the chackra project working fine for me but i dont like kde. i prefer fluxbox

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

i respect them giving me a minimalistic system, i just think they could do a non-cli install. and calling it hard is the wrong choice of words... it's just overly complicated. unnecessarily complicated.

[dmanooos]

the install is stupid?? what?? if you think so install ubuntu... gentoo with openbox will be a dream for you kid... :/

dmanooos: arch linux - gentoo - winXP user

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

i would install ubuntu if it had the aur. it doesn't so i have to go through the hassle of using arch. and there is literally no benefit for running gentoo lol

[dmanooos]

thats not the point the point is that you can install only the programs that you need! not useless programs that you never use like ubuntu... thats why the installation is great! and if you find the installation hard just check arch wiki or send your questions to the forum

[i4nix13]

Don't forget that the prerequisites state on the site that Arch is for experienced Linux users, so you can't really bash the installation routine. I agree with everything else in the video, though. I use it as well and have been using it for almost 3 years. Rolling release, AUR and ABS are the best aspects of the system, plus the fact it's the most current software. I wish Arch had a delta update/upgrade method because Arch is always current and it's easy to fill your HD just doing updates.

[gotbletu]

think i like the rolling updates best about arch and AUR

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

damn, forgot to mention the entire system being a rolling os. oh well, hopefully they can read between the lines

[xLOBDx]

thank you for the review

its open my eye on new things about arch Linux

a GUI installer will be nice , but that the arch way

[kirchmaster]

The install isn't that bad, I just did it a few times in virtualbox to get used to it. A gui would be better.

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

Yeah, I agree. Now that I've installed Arch 20+ times it now seems easy. Good call... people should install in VB a couple times before hand (it wouldnt hurt to have a second computer that's connected to the internet if you need help, either)

I think that a GUI would help the distrobution so much. It's just so daunting to the noobs D:

[silvernode]

Did you ever think that we don't want noobs using it? The way I see it, people should use Ubuntu when they first try Linux. After that if they are wanting something new and more challenging, Arch Linux is the next step up. As far as noobs go I would really like to keep them in the Ubuntu IRC although I don't think they would be smart enough to connect to the Arch IRC. Anyway that's my opinion. Oh and I think I made the first install Guide for Arch btw...even if it is shitty :-)

[TheyCallMeConfucious]

I DID think about you guys not wanting noobs to use it, I just don't agree with it *shrug*. And I know, I saw and used that guide when I was trying to figure the shit out. :D good work!