why is this dog on a prong collar? Especially at the end of the clip it concerns me. Aggression begets aggression and although there are no sharp corrections and I assume intentions of harm, you can still classically condition fear and discomfort which will elevate arousal, anxiety, or frustration. Why not consider conditioning to a head collar or front clip harness instead? The Gentle Leader products give far better control with no aversion IF used correctly.
@stevepozz Wow. I have to honestly say this is a very curious video and comments. I will say this, you were very brave for posting the video. I work with shelter dogs as a volunteer, so I understand your situation some what. However, prongs are not allowed at our shelter. I think you did take a risk even if it wasn't your choice. You risked your certification IMO. I wonder if Donaldson ever came across this. Don't worry, I'm not like some of these others accusing you of anything. Just surprised.
Cesar Milan scares the animals its called negative reinmforcement. Carol uses postitive reinforcement.. takes more time to work but much better then what Cesar does. Most American Idiots like what Cesar does... I would not let him near my dog. So before you open your fat mouth maybe learn more about other peoples techniques.
choke or pinch collars are not designed to hurt there for irritation purposes just like an electric collar. nobody who loves dogs wants to hurt our canine friends.
You are right, Jean would not approve. A question: you say you didn't have time to gather the right equipment, but you had a bait bag and treats, why not carry appropriate equipment like gentle leaders or premier martingales so that you are prepared when faced with a dog who is wearing a pain collar? If you were forced to use the prong to "control" him, using pain/startle, you would reinforce his idea that whatever he wanted to bite really was dangerous and should be driven away.
You do have a good point. Using a prong collar is not something I encourage or recommend to my clients. It was an unfortunate situation but my methods are humane and I never do anything to hurt the dog or make the situation worse. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the reply -- glad to know you didn't intend to use the prong collar as it is designed to be used. There can never be enough good dog trainers who use humane, science-based methods, and the fact that you learned from Jean Donaldson shows that you are one of those trainers. Keep up the good work!
I totally agree with you, Jean would not approve. However, I had no time to gather the right equiptment and w/out the prong collar this particular dog would have been extremely difficult to handle. He had a bite history and it was a tough call for me but I did what I thought was right at the time.
That is understandable. I can see where you are coming from especially with the dogs history. I was also curious, I have read one of her books. It didn't seem she'd be into prong collars, but I think you must do what you have to do in the situations you are faced with. Better a prong collar than a bite!
why is this dog on a prong collar? Especially at the end of the clip it concerns me. Aggression begets aggression and although there are no sharp corrections and I assume intentions of harm, you can still classically condition fear and discomfort which will elevate arousal, anxiety, or frustration. Why not consider conditioning to a head collar or front clip harness instead? The Gentle Leader products give far better control with no aversion IF used correctly.
CaninePawsAcademy 1 year ago
@CaninePawsAcademy
This is a NYC shelter dog and she was told by staff use prong collar.
she does not like using them at all.
stevepozz 1 year ago
@stevepozz Wow. I have to honestly say this is a very curious video and comments. I will say this, you were very brave for posting the video. I work with shelter dogs as a volunteer, so I understand your situation some what. However, prongs are not allowed at our shelter. I think you did take a risk even if it wasn't your choice. You risked your certification IMO. I wonder if Donaldson ever came across this. Don't worry, I'm not like some of these others accusing you of anything. Just surprised.
ShelterDogs 5 months ago
this trainer sucks this dog is out of control and is obveous is the pack leader watch cesar milan my freind and learn how to be the pack leader
badabingrockford 2 years ago
@badabingrockford you dont know shit.
Cesar Milan scares the animals its called negative reinmforcement. Carol uses postitive reinforcement.. takes more time to work but much better then what Cesar does. Most American Idiots like what Cesar does... I would not let him near my dog. So before you open your fat mouth maybe learn more about other peoples techniques.
stevepozz 2 years ago
You go CAROL!
xoxo
denise
hella007 3 years ago
choke or pinch collars are not designed to hurt there for irritation purposes just like an electric collar. nobody who loves dogs wants to hurt our canine friends.
protonbart 3 years ago
You are right, Jean would not approve. A question: you say you didn't have time to gather the right equipment, but you had a bait bag and treats, why not carry appropriate equipment like gentle leaders or premier martingales so that you are prepared when faced with a dog who is wearing a pain collar? If you were forced to use the prong to "control" him, using pain/startle, you would reinforce his idea that whatever he wanted to bite really was dangerous and should be driven away.
mitsmom 3 years ago
You do have a good point. Using a prong collar is not something I encourage or recommend to my clients. It was an unfortunate situation but my methods are humane and I never do anything to hurt the dog or make the situation worse. Hope this helps.
stevepozz 3 years ago
Thanks for the reply -- glad to know you didn't intend to use the prong collar as it is designed to be used. There can never be enough good dog trainers who use humane, science-based methods, and the fact that you learned from Jean Donaldson shows that you are one of those trainers. Keep up the good work!
mitsmom 3 years ago
Would Jean Donaldson approve the use of a prong collar? Just curious, as I read her book Culture Clash and found that to be highly unlikely.
Kris2eye 3 years ago
I totally agree with you, Jean would not approve. However, I had no time to gather the right equiptment and w/out the prong collar this particular dog would have been extremely difficult to handle. He had a bite history and it was a tough call for me but I did what I thought was right at the time.
stevepozz 3 years ago
That is understandable. I can see where you are coming from especially with the dogs history. I was also curious, I have read one of her books. It didn't seem she'd be into prong collars, but I think you must do what you have to do in the situations you are faced with. Better a prong collar than a bite!
Kris2eye 3 years ago
Jean Donaldson styles and profiles like no other. Woooooooooo!
Velasca 3 years ago
HI,
Did you go to the dog trainers academy in SF? I LOVE Jean!
thanks,
Carol
stevepozz 3 years ago