the bible has gone through lots of translations, there is a lot of loose text, fragments and ppl can take anything they want from the bible and make up things
why r u ppl still asking christians for the evidence of god? its pointless
I favorited your vid. You deserve it. You did a beautiful job, my friend, and you deserve all my respect and admiration.
This Catholic is extremely grateful.
Thank you very much.
And I hope your video will help enlighten all those people in Youtube who believe in the hate-filled anti-Christian bullshit this despicable human being spews.
No one from the WBC is to be killed. It will only make them worse if they have a martyr to use. They would welcome a death of their group by our hands if it furthers their goals.
@TAOtheGod Well, look on the bright side. If they're all killed, nobody will ever have to deal with them again. Nobody will have to worry about having their loved ones' funerals desecrated by these assholes. And they can't very well be martyrs if nobody remembers them. In the event that they are killed, we just have to do our best to forget they ever existed.
Set them up. Have federal agents watching their activities in public. If even one of them steps out of line, detain the whole group and pounce every civil service agency on them. Especially child welfare.
I see a lot of hate directed at the Westboro Baptist Church. Why? You aren't in the right by claiming they should be killed. You aren't right if you attempt to strike them down. They will have to stand before God to answer for what they have done. Don't allow them to get you angry. Just remember to Love one Another. If they cannot love you then turn the other cheek.
What a bunch of Assholes !! They are pathetic !! And no nothing about the Bible .. Fucking sick psychos and if I ever get my hands on them Night Night !! Go fuck your selfs WBC !! abd anyone who is part of these loosers !!!! I am a true Satanist and these loosers make us look golden and we are !!!
Interesting how the Phelps stance has overwhelmingly turned people away from Christianity and given justification for people not to follow God. I am pretty sure this was NOT Christ's intent. Excellent job of nailing them down and showing them to be the hateful, terrible, sorry excuses for people they are. I would call them garbage but I would be insulting garbage.
Hold the phone, here! If Marc was so badly abused & doesn't support his father's madness, why doesn't he put a stop to all this abuse this guy is STILL doing to strangers & his church/family members by filing charges? There is no statute of limitations on child abuse, I believe? I would support Marc fully, he has been terribly victimized & I'm glad he is separated from his father's vileness, but if he could it would be great if he would use that to stop this guy from hurting people more.
NEW TESTAMENT MATT 19:1-8 when asked about marriage, Jesus issued a sweeping condemnation of all sexual relationships outside of the male/female model established in Gen 1:27, which he specifically cited.
ROM 1:18-32 Though most of the passages deal with the male perspective, for the first time there is a specific mention of female homosexuality. And as the verdict comes in, we discover it too is a depraved condition brought on by a sinful nature.
@SuperDebs59 "MATT 19:1-8" is about DIVORCE not homosexuality. And "ROM 1:18-32" refers to the wickedness of ALL sin, LUST is just one of them. A heterosexual can commit the sin of lust just the same as a homosexual.
@darkmachete , I understand what you are saying. Most people don't realize there is a huge difference between FAITH and RELIGION. All religions are man made. To put it simply; RELIGION is actually hijacking another's (Jesus', Buddha's, Mohammad's, etc's...) FAITH. Look for God, but realize how, when and where you find God will be different from every other person on earth. This is why people end up questioning the religion they are born in. Some things may not ring true for your "soul".
@poppysfit Sorry but faith is dependant on your religion. The things you look for for affirmation of your beliefs are indocrinated into you when you are part of a religion. Some people change religion when they find out that the one they joined is completely unbelieveable BUT they fail to realise ALL religions are unbelieveable so they fall into another addiction to keep up the concept that there is a god that loves them.
You hear god's voice, you see 'signs', you feel uplifted, All mindtricks
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I was not "raised" in a religion. My FAITH came from coming to a point in life that made me realize all of this could not have come about because some explosions happened a billion years ago and life began. That to me is what is unbelievable when you actually begin to study biology, zoology and botany.
As far as seeing signs, when those signs actually lead you through turmoil and difficulties, are they wrong?
If the feelings you experience are based on a delusion or mind trick then they can hardly be right. If you need such tricks to cope with grief then they are not wrong for you at that time. But it is like seeing the joy of a 5 year olds face when its Christmas night, waiting for Santa Claus. Its quite magical, but its also seen as a delusion by adults who maintain that trick for children. If an adult believes in Santa Claus they would be ridiculed.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 So you are saying other's experiences must be delusions or mind tricks because they do not fit the beliefs you have or you have not experienced the same things? You are basically saying you have never been struck by lightning, therefor anyone who says they have been struck by lightning must be delusional.
@poppysfit No, I am saying that personal experience that cannot be repeated in a scientific environment is not proof. Being struck by lightening can be proven in many ways, from the burn marks to eye witnesses and can easily be repeated in a lab. Being hit by God cannot. The only evidence is what a person feels about the experience. Nothing to show an observer.
If I said I can see God, but only me cause God wants it that way, it is not proof, it is just your word that this is happening.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 This is true, but do not tell anyone their personal beliefs are "delusional or mind tricks" simply because they are unable (or unwilling) to give proof that will satisfy you. I cannot prove the love I have for my children in a scientific environment but that is not proof that I don't feel love for them. An "observer" may see me punish my child and deduce I do not love my child from that.
@poppysfit again your analogy is not exactly the same. A relationship between two actual people can be tested and verified, even through brain scans and can be compared to other people in love too. The reasons for your actions can be judged objectively and reasoned with in terms of purpose.
A relationship with God is purely one sided and cannot be reproduced in a lab as the feeling is self contained. Any experience has no way of being quantified as it is purely internal to you.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 You are mighty arrogant to think only the things you understand can occur. Why would anyone feel the need to scientifically verify the things they experience personally to you or anyone else? If someone (of sound mind) has personal experiences that convince them there is a higher power, who are you or anyone else to then tell them they must be delusional or a victim of mind tricks? I understand your point of view because I shared it at one time. Now I know better.
@poppysfit Which is arrogant? Saying that personal claims not based on a shred of proof is not enough to convert others. Or saying that personal experience is enough to justify that a God exists, even though the person claiming this cannot offer a shred of evidence to anyone else.
I never said that personal experience cannot influence someones worldview, but it cannot be taken seriously by anyone else.
If I claimed that Zeus talks to me and guides me in life. would you believe me?
@AMomentOfClarity2011 No, what I mean is: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." In other words, simply because you cannot explain the things that happen in other's lives does not mean you can judge them delusions or mind tricks. Science cannot explain everything going on in the universe anymore than neatly bound bible stories. Science is full of THEORIES that have not been "proven" yet. Some have even been disproved over the years.
@poppysfit O Dear, you brought up scientific theories, and failed to understand what they mean.
Scientific theories like evolution, atomic theory, gravity, big bang, etc are NOT the same as the popular use of the word which means hypothesis. A scientific theory is a collection of facts and extremely stable and rarely if ever abandoned. They are refined only. There is no standard higher in Science than a Scientific Theory. It is the Oscars for scientific study
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Scientific theories are not "set in stone". They are at times falsified, contradicted, revised or set aside. Not infallible by any means. Like everything else man made. Including religion.
@poppysfit Now we are getting somewhere. Yes, man made religion. However they claim that the books are either inspired or dictated or written by a divine being. This locks them in stone (almost literally). This is the problem. Muslims pride themselves in having followed a 1400 year old book that 'never' changes.
The strength of science is that it can adjust to match new facts. Scientific theories are revised or refined as they are an umbrella term for facts and a fact can be wrong at times.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 which is why I said religion and faith are two separate things. Although most claim they are interchangeable, for some of us there is no "religious" basis for our faith in a higher being. I believe in a higher being because of the things I see in life, nature, etc. In a way, science or the study of the things found in the natural world are the basis of my faith. For me at least, it is hard to believe all of "this" came about because "some stuff exploded".
@poppysfit Ah, some regression here. I think you misunderstand what science means by the Big Bang.
The hypothesis I have read about are extremely interesting, and while not as 'personal' as religion would like, makes a lot of sense. Personally I don't really care how the universe started, as it does not matter a lot in real life day to day things. Evolution on the other hand has given us plenty of benefits that saves millions of lives so I am deeply interested in that.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Evolution is also very interesting to me. Evolution is one of the main things that keeps me away from organized religion. I don't think it is so hard to believe any "creator" that was wise enough to create the universe would also be wise enough to know it could not continue to thrive without evolution. The world would be like a stagnant pool of water without evolution. (This is a good example of what I meant by faith and science working together in my mind.)
@poppysfit Ah you are on the cusp of atheism. Why do you think science needs faith to work? I agree with your statement about stagnation without evolution and while it was original sin that made me start thinking about my faiths logic, I see where you are coming from. Evolution is the logical way that creatures survive. But by default since genetic mutation is random and the environment is impartial I don't see any space left for faith. Is it just wishful thinking that adds that element?
@AMomentOfClarity2011 I am simply trying to frame my belief in a way it can be understood. My faith in a creator and my understanding/acceptance of scientific facts exist side by side. One does not nullify the other. I feel no need to support my belief in one by refuting the other because RELIGION is not a factor in my beliefs. And where you see impartiality in the environment, I see design. For instance: When some people say, "Why did God allow this hurricane to kill so many and destroy
@poppysfit so much?", I say, "The oceans must have hurricanes in order to survive. Hurricanes churn the waters etc., etc., etc., (I'm sure you know the rest). YOU put yourself in natures way, not God." Anyway, I'm sure you get my meaning. I think there are natural laws at work and man tends to think he is above all that at times or can control it. I also think those natural laws did not "just happen". Therefore, God/the Creator/Higher Power.
@poppysfit natural laws did not "just happen"? This is a classic arguement from ignorance (no insult). It means as you do not fully understand the laws or cannot comprehend how they originated you add 'god' into this gap in your knowledge to explain it.
This is understandable but does block your ability to find actual answers. But that is up to you.
This universe may require our laws to function, perhaps other (or previous) universes did not. It is beyond my knowledge at this time.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Maybe this will explain my beliefs better: I was once told it was a scientific fact that only "black" people were susceptible to sickle cell anemia. I questioned that scientific fact to a religious scholar and was told it was God's will and a curse of God on the "black" race. Through further study I found out people who have sickle cell cannot contract malaria. Malaria killed "black" people at a very early age. Although people with sickle cell die at a younger
@poppysfit age than those without it, they lived longer than those who contracted malaria. Nature adapted. This ability did not come about by accident. I see a higher power in the ability of nature to adapt. This did not "just happen".
@poppysfit Think of it this way. Do you ask God "why the cloudburst soaked you" Was it his will to get you wet (kinky) or was it that the water droplets reached a size that resulted in gravity taking hold and pulling them to earth, and you happen to be standing underneath.
A lot of theists love the "why" question. But it is a basic mistake. The universe does not NEED a why. Things happen because the laws of the universe (gravity for instance) allow events to occur. Once you accept that its easy.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Okay, we are in agreement on some level here. I think our minds diverge right after the laws of the universe stuff (LOL!). Where you see no need to look at why these laws are there ("I don't see any space left for faith."), this is where I find my belief in a higher power taking root. And this is where, as you put it, personal experience influences my worldview. My FAITH stems from things I have experienced that make me a believer. It is not based on RELIGION.
@poppysfit well I am glad we have reached some agreement. On a final point. Your personal experience is your proof to have faith. You have made up your own rules on how to maintain a relationship with god or a creator being, right? A moral structure, a way to relate to him, you define some aspects of reality from that point of view. This can be seen as a personal religion (with JUST you as a worshipper). In this case Faith and religion is unique to YOUR Worldview.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 And my final point: I do not believe God/Creator is in need of worshippers anymore than I believe I need the "artwork" I create to worship me. I feel thankful for my creation and for all the joys I receive in life simply because I am thankful and enjoy living. Tomorrow, I may not be so thankful and full of joy due to circumstances, but I will not blame that on God/Creator. No religion here. Just being, learning and accepting as I go.
@poppysfit you are using a fictional character's words in a book written by a man AGAIN. to validate your faith. I suppose that is ironic in a way.
Science never claims to know everything, but it keeps trying to, and every year it achieves that little bit more knowledge. A wise and honest statement to things you don't know is "I don't know (yet)" not "God did it". Sticking a mystical entity into any gap in your knowledge to comfort yourself is lazy.
@poppysfit The fact that science is willing to change its mind is its strength. The fact that its practices allow this shows that science is the best way to examine reality and learn how things work.
All hypothesis are constantly challenged and these are either affirmed or discarded. Some parts of science have been disproven or refined as we develop better methods of studing reality. Would you rather stick to a concept that is NOT open to change and improvement. That leads to stagnation.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Yes, scientific theory: if you see a lot of horse shit, you will probably find a pony in the vicinity. Science can break down and explain how many things in nature work by simple observance, but that is not to say science can explain WHY everything works the way it does or why it is here or even how things came to be. And I do not think the words in any "holy" books do any better at answering these things.
@poppysfit I think you have belief in some kind of being that made the universe, but one that has not been defined by any human religion. An unknown creator? I 'think' that is deism. I was a bit like that at one stage, until I could not justify the spiritual part other than attributing it to wishful thinking.
Still its a step away from the ignorance that is ruining our world with organised religion.
But its your fear and doubt that is holding you back from full atheism. Faith is fear.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Actually, I must disagree AGAIN (LOL). My faith does not come from fear. And doubt only comes into play when I am in unfamiliar situations and unsure how to proceed. I may doubt myself from time to time, but I have learned to push on and usually come out okay in the end. I do not look for an "unknown creator" to fix things. I know I have been given the means to work things out myself with thought and/or physical action. And the only thing holding me back from
@poppysfit "My faith does not come from fear" Just to address this. The remaining statement you made actually does support my comment on fear and doubt.
1. You are not willing to accept that the universe is inpersonal and unloving in general, so imply that a being must exist.
2. You doubt your own ability to cope in a cold and unfeeling universe WITHOUT a divine being having some sway there.
3. You find that your faith shields you from this fear and doubt by offering a friendlier alternative
@AMomentOfClarity2011 1) Natural laws are, were and will always be at work. It IS impersonal and at times unloving but does not mean these laws were not implemented by a higher power.
2) Doubts are a natural humane trait. I'm sure even scientist doubt themselves at times. But I am able to fall back on the fact that natural laws are at work, what will be will be and there is no need in worrying about it. I press on.
3) The only alternative to living is giving up. Not very friendly.
@poppysfit "The only alternative to living is giving up" Not sure where that last point came from. Do you think that without a god life has no meaning? Without eternal life, you think this life is worthless? Nothing could be further from the truth. This adds more vitality to life than ever. It also removes some of the fear of death, as it is seen as a normal part of life, not a gateway to judgement or eternal pain.
Life is precious, but not divine. cherish it for what it IS, not what you imagine
@AMomentOfClarity2011 "Do you think that without a god life has no meaning?" Every life has meaning, whether he/she/it is aware of God or not. AND, I have no fear of death because I DO NOT believe it is a gateway to judgement or eternal pain. That is taught by RELIGIONS. I DO NOT believe anyone on earth knows what happens after death anymore than I believe anyone on earth knows how life started. Life is precious, God is divine. One does not nullify the other.
1. "The only alternative to living (with God?) is giving up. Not very friendly."
2. "Every life has meaning, whether he/she/it is aware of God or not."
So if life has value and meaning then why did you make the first statement when I said that the existance of a god is not required to have morals or have a reason to life just because the universe is cold and unfeeling.
@AMomentOfClarity2011 The only alternative to living is dieing ("giving up" life). Every life has meaning: There is a reason for EVERY "thing" in this universe. My faith is not a shield from anything. I try to live a moral existence because I do believe in those natural laws we were talking about. Not because I think God will SMITE me if I do something wrong (LOL). Shit will happen but I am at peace with what life brings because I do not think of it as reward or punishment (RELIGION).
Fuck religion all together. That's what I say. FUCK IT! It's not helping people! You think what Fred did to Nate is bad? Try seeing what the Taliban does to people! And don't give me the bullshit "Islam is different than Christianity" NO IT'S NOT! It's the same fucking story! If you believe in god, that's fine, I don't care. But if you are apart of a religion, FUCK YOU! You're NOT helping no matter how badly you want to believe you are! People don't need religion, people need people. That's it!
i personally think that theyre just pissed off, some people are just mad and look for the next reason to be, and thats what theyre doing, so instead of them just going off on random things the organize and hate on what ever they dont like or understand
See you are doing actual research, something they dont do, and wont do, because knhowing the origional texts it becomes difficult to reconsile any of the versions of the bible to the originals.
Why does everyone put so much weight on to what a person believes? It doesn't effect anyone but themselves (or at least, it shouldn't).
The beginning of the universe has long since passed. Yeah, I'm curious as to how it came about but it's certainly nothing to fight over. It just is.
When we die, it doesn't matter were we go (if we even go anywhere) because we'll be dead-- there's no changing that. Personally, if I die and there is something, then I'll deal.
i dont think they r going to hell for all eternity. i am not religious because many religions talk about goin to hell for all eternity if u do not agree with their ways. That is intolerance and yet people r convinced that this intolerance=righteousness. sounds like bullshit 2 me.
WBC is an attention hound, they even said this in an interveiw. If you people would simply ignore them they will shut up and live their lives in the misery that they impose on others which is our goal right??? If they keep seeing their names come up they will continue. Gods sees all!
Before seeing this I thought that the worst crime of WBC was exploiting the deaths of people whom they did not know to try to anger people enough for someone to assault them so they could take it to court and win money from it, but now I see that they have done so much more wrong than that. I am not religious, but after seeing this I believe that Fred Phelps is the embodiment of evil.
here's what i think would be a great idea (i've seen it done on youtube):
go to a westboro baptist cult protest, and hold a gay rights fundraiser across the street. if at all successful in raising funds for gay rights, send a thank-you letter to wbc.
I would say all of those people are going to Hell, but it's not my decision. All I know is that they are not Christian and never will be. Anyone who thinks they are even close to being religious in a positive way is insane. If anything, they should basically be satanists, if not worse.
There will always be extremists like this family, they are a tiny church with members who are just unhappy and use this to take their stress out on people. I do believe their children being children believe what their parents say as we all know you are a product of your enviroment they really havent a clue what they are saying but love their parents and do as they are told. God is forgiving and is a loving God, through Jesus he spreads love, Jesus did not stand on the street abusing everyone.
Fantastic! One step at a time people are making sure this group will not spread like the parasites they are, Sure they'll always have insecure people lining up to join them in their hate but we can limit those numbers. I'm from new zealand and I'm pretty sure a church here has stolen their idea and are using it for themselves. Check out destiny church and you'll see what I mean (a lot of sane new zealanders prefer to call them density church) :)
I have a facebook page, "Citizens to rid the world of the evil Westboro Baptist Church" and I have articles and videos on there talking about how WBC is a scam. They are all lawyers, and they know how far they can push people legally, and their whole mission is to inflame people and to get them to attack so they can sue the individual and the police station for not protecting them, and this is how they fund their protests.
@soukupb If enough people in the town were to sign a petition something might happen. I contacted the Mayors office there, and was told they tried to stop WBC but ended up paying the church 80,000.00 and fines and court costs. I think they want to be sued because they will get money out of it.
And I wil execute great vengence upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengence upon them Ezekial 25:17
Wow KJS72, this is a really good point, its solid, and its factual....I may just have to use your video in a demonstration for my project about how WBC ties into a cult, and how it plays a role in sociology...dont worry, i'm not going to take credit for your work, just only spreading your words.
Most religions are pretty much religions of hatred for anyone who doesn't share the EXACT same beliefs. Phelps has jus taken it way to the extreme. He is a good example of how religious addiction makes people crazy.
Look, I abhor (to use Yahweh's lingo) WBC as much as the next sane individual, but to claim the Bible speaks nothing of homosexuality the way we understand it? That's just a lie. You have to deal with the fact your deity doesn't like the way his creation turned out (see: Every mammal)
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." "Mankind" in Hebrew means precisely what it means today.
Deal with it. Reject the "deity" (yes) or embrace the teaching.
@KJS72 And it never existed. And the "Messiah, God" clip from Josephus was a forgery. AND Samson the Nazorean was as far from someone born in "Nazareth" as a seagull is from being the planet Venus; you might as well say "He was a Nazi, since Nazarene and Nazi sound similar and start with the same three letters."
@BOBCATBIKERBABE I honestly believe it. Just google "Jesus Never Existed for a wonderful website full of very scholarly, well-written information. And it's "imbecile" and yes, I have a very full, active life. Gee, I love bikes, especially Indians and Harleys. Three of my favorite cousins are 1%ers and they're smart. It makes me sad if you're really that judgmental (or just mental) and that ignorant.
@ChurchOfKali66619 If you want to correct spelling you need to correct your own. 1%er would slap the shit out of you for being so nieve. I would
For your information; not that it makes a difference, I am not Christian I am a witch.I do respect all religions, even though I dont agree with em. Who knows, man had wrote the bible may be he misunderstood I had read the bible had you? Oh never mind you are one of them no it alls who knows nothing about believing in something you dont see. Grow up
@ilovemymum777 I am from America so I am called an American. It is not my religion but my country of origin. Jesus was from Nazareth and people from there were called Nazarines.
@ilovemymum777 Im christian and im not part of the WBC, Nazareth is part of Israel,and He came into the world through a jewish woman, that is why He is jewish.
@ilovemymum777 If people would actually read the Bible instead of using it for hatred... it clearly states that Jesus was of the line of David... he celebrated passover, and he went to synagogue. What more fucking proof do people need???!!!
@ilovemymum777 I don't know the whole answer to this but i will answer what i can...Jesus was known as a Nazarene because of where he was born...he was, in fact however, Jewish.
These lunatics are planning to protest a memorial service for those that died in the tornado in Joplin, MO. Their tagline for this is thank God for 125 and counting dead in Joplin, MO. I only hopen that these people don't get their way and that people keep their focus on why the memorial service is being put together.
"One day they are going to start spouting their crap in the wrong place at the wrong time" That day is coming near. It will be Sunday May 29th. The city of Joplin, MO and it's citizens will not tolerate these "Cult" members.
@SpawningFish They are trying to encourage people in Joplin to not act violently towards the WBC. That would be giving the morons exactly what they want, more publicity. Instead, they are asking people who stand against Westboro to do exactly that. They are encouraging people from outside of Joplin to help form a human barricade blocking the mourners from the idiotic members of this cult.
"One day they are going to start spouting their crap in the wrong place at the wrong time" That day is coming near. It will be Sunday May 29th. The city of Joplin, MO and it's citizens will not tolerate these "Cult" members.
I don't think these insane morons care if Jesus was a Jew or not. They think Fred Phelps is the Messiah and that God is speaking through him. That's how they are able to screw up the Bibles message so easily. They simply use that old dried up loon's interpretation of the scriptures. One day they are going to start spouting their crap in the wrong place at the wrong time. I just hope someone in the crowd has a camera. There should be a celebration like the night they got Bin Laden!
if they believe in their unbliblical beliefs so much they should take their butts to Iran, if God is really backing up their nasty method of preaching then they should be able to say their crud without police interference, but they know that they are gonna get killed so they dont do it, they like to think of themselves as martyr, when they get tortured or killed for the sake of the true testimony of Christ then they can say that their msg is real, in the mean time what they preach is crud
I'm a Christian. And this video is the realest thing I've seen thus far. I mean the Bible has been changed in so many ways that I second guess some things. I knew that it couldn't be translated without some sort of bias.
i am a christian but i really hope the children do make a change cause the world as we know it is influenced by family and if famliy is corrupted, then it really wild spreading fire
i pray for the church to come back to jesus and live life with out using gods name for their own hatred.
KJS72,HON IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE LET MARC AND NATE KNOW THEY ARE LOVED AND IT WAS GOD WHO OPENED THEIR EYES TO THE LIES.BE HAPPY TO KNOW THEY WERE RIGHT TO LEAVE,AND NEVER FORGET THAT. SORRY THEY(THE FAMILY) WERE LIKE JIM JONES,KORESH, MANSON.AND HITLER
SHAME THEY ABUSED GOD'S NAME IN THEIR VANITY.I PITY THEM MORE THAN HATE THEM. SINCE THEY ARE CARRYING A FIRST CLASS TICKET TO HELL..
KJ, KEEP STRONG AND KEEP THE FAITH AND I HOPE YOUR BLESSED WITH A GOOD LIFE.
KJS72,HON YOU ARE LOVED AND IT WAS GOD WHO OPENED YOUR EYES TO THE LIES.BE HAPPY TO KNOW YOU WERE RIGHT TO LEAVE,AND NEVER FORGET THAT. SORRY THEY WERE LIKE JIM JONES,KORESH,AND MANSON.
SHAME THEY ABUSED GOD'S NAME IN THEIR VANITY.
KJ, KEEP STRONG AND KEEP THE FAITH AND I HOPE YOUR BLESSED WITH A BETTER LIFE.
Amazing how a fictitious 2000 yr old piece of history has brainwashed so many people! Look at what religion does to insecure feeble minded people! The problem is RELIGION, it has created more BLOODBATHS than anything else in history! You people who follow a contradictive, invisible man with 10 things you should not do, your the FOOLS NOT THE REST OF SOCIETY!!!!!
@TheSouthpau actually in history many events in the bible happen, and not everyone is like the westboro baptist so dont say stupid shit if you dont know anything
actually in history many events in the bible happen? what kind of a sentence is that?
the man has a point, how many jews have been murdered only because they are jews? how many christians were prosecuted only for being christian? how many people have been killed or had their hands chopped off because of the quran? (or however you spell it in english)
you go count that shit, add it up, give me a number and tell me religion hasn't caused a lot of deaths
They disgusted me before... but holy fucking hell, that was BEFORE i knew THIS.
I dont understand how this video can be argued with at all. Really, I don't. There is NO logical argument to make against this. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO <3
"Just ignore them, these people are insane" lol TRUTH MAN.
These travesties of human beings will always lose because they only know hate.
They have the freedom to do what they do because of the soldiers who fight to defend their right to free speech. All over the world people watch & sympathise with the grieving families & despise the WBC. They will never win.
@avalonjoyous It's been a long time you little diseased AIDS ridden child molesting faggot. As I just got done telling a few of my old YT buddies, I just got laid off my 45k a yr job which I've secured for a yr and a half until the budgets effected employment. You know, a JOB. Something you apparently have never held in your entire life, while you continue to live home with your parents at 30 yrs old LOL! Let me ask yu fagboy, have you accomplished ANYTHING in the 3 years youv been on YT?
@Triple03Baller021 Gay people are people too. Don't disrespect them on their sexual preferences. There is nothing wrong with it. It's not like you have to watch them sleep. I don't want to see that either.. but their actully really nice people.. and just because some ancient fictional book says its wrong doesn't mean its actully right.
killerjasondude makes a valid point, but really shouldnt they lose the right to free speech atleast? and jason though you werent ordered to waste them you werent ordered not to, so i say if you can get away with it, go to it soldier your country will thank you.
Or atleast if no one will kill them, burn all their buildings and homes and run them out of any town they try to live in. What about an old school tar and feather job? cant kill em all anyway, they got alot of under 18s.
The woman preacher is not permitted the bible clearly states "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer [allow] not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." —1st Timothy 2:11-12
You know what. I want these people to talk to me. I really do. The reason is to completely throw down their idiotic ideoligy. I'm a soldier and it pisses me off to know that these people live.
Westboro Baptist Church 3701 SW 12th St Topeka, KS 66604 number of church (785) 273-0325 (785) 273-0325 – Fred W. Phelps Sr., cell phone (785) 272-4135 – Fred Phelps, Jr. (785) 273-0529 – Benjamin Phelps (785) 273-0277 & (785) 273-1080 – Shirley Roper (785) 272-8559 – Charles Hockenbarger (785) 232-2485 – Fax for Charles Hockenbarger (785) 233-4162 – Phelps Family Law Office (785) 233-0766 – Fax for Phelps Family Law Office (785) 969-9017 – Steve Drain
wow this gets better. shirley an illigitimate son? i bet some of this is fake or otherwise these people just realise the end of fundamentalist christianity is near and they decided to let all hell break loose :)
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot. one of their familymembers caught in possesion of marijuana? that hypocricy makes me laugh out hard. and maybe because im dutch
Thank you for posting this. I actually feel sorry for the Phelps family, abuse can do some really fucked up things to a person. God, I wonder what kind of fucked up childhood Fred Phelps had. It's no wonder they're crazy. What's even crazier is the few people outside of the family who have joined this church. Yes, they pick and choose what to believe from the bible, but so does every Christian faith. Here's something else I've been wondering. When is the last time anyone has seen Fred in person?
@Lonewolf9126 Calm down. We both know you would not say that to my face so just calm down my friend. Yet if you think you are tough, then come to Rochester NY. I live at 30 Washington Street. Now come to me and say the same thing to my face and see what will happen to you. You will be a dumbeass when I get done with you little girl.
@MCAmbitious ok mister tough guy...for one i'm not going do stoop down to your level of idiocracy and argue with you! I'm sure you're just a punk and you think you're tough but you're actually not so go find some other youtube user to harass with your typed words that really don't mean shit to me cause i'll just laugh every time! So good luck with that.
@Lonewolf9126 Yeah I'm tough guy becaue I can fight real great. I'm 6 ft one and 300 pounds, move around with ease and know martial arts my friend. You want to call me names then I will be what you call me. I told you my damn address so how I am a punk? You are the punk because you called me dumb ass. You could have said I was wrong. Yet you are the tough guy and started so stop lying on me. You call me a punk then prove it or shut up. You know my address.
I would say the members of WBC need to die...but then they couldn't suffer anymore. What the WBC (sans the children) need is to be put through what Phelps did to his children, multiplied. Especially Fred Sr. himself. Just so he can get a taste of what he's done and still does to this day. Perhaps they should be hung upside down as well, so as to keep the blood flow to their head and keep them conscious the entire time they're being beaten like the dogs they are...ESPECIALLY FUCKIN' PHELPS!!!!!!
You're right, they're not a church, they're a cult. I have personal reason to not like these people. First, they picketed my high school and they almost picketed my church- cause it's a non-denominational church- but they didn't.
I am not for Westboro baptist church at all,I think they are wrong for the way they are acting,but who ever made this video. Those two words to'ebah, or gadesh do not translate to that meaning..........Just sayin
I am not for Westboro baptist church at all,I think they are wrong for the way they are acting,but who ever made this video. Those two words to'ebah, or gadesh do not translate to that meaning..........Just sayin
More people should watch this video.
JanaSklibova 1 day ago in playlist Westboro Baptist "Church" acting like idiots
the bible has gone through lots of translations, there is a lot of loose text, fragments and ppl can take anything they want from the bible and make up things
why r u ppl still asking christians for the evidence of god? its pointless
kilkolio 3 days ago
yep homosexuality didnt exist until 19th century
racism didnt exist until the black slavery in us
kilkolio 3 days ago
I favorited your vid. You deserve it. You did a beautiful job, my friend, and you deserve all my respect and admiration.
This Catholic is extremely grateful.
Thank you very much.
And I hope your video will help enlighten all those people in Youtube who believe in the hate-filled anti-Christian bullshit this despicable human being spews.
tecaltabiano 4 days ago
I really enjoyed reading that thank you. That Jon ones true colours are starting to show, but he won't be able to keep them contained much longer.
pepebyrne 6 days ago
124 members of the WBC watched this video.
Maverick7613 1 week ago in playlist Westboro Baptist Church
Wow nice they r such aholes
MRMINIFM 1 month ago
No one from the WBC is to be killed. It will only make them worse if they have a martyr to use. They would welcome a death of their group by our hands if it furthers their goals.
TAOtheGod 2 months ago
@TAOtheGod Well, look on the bright side. If they're all killed, nobody will ever have to deal with them again. Nobody will have to worry about having their loved ones' funerals desecrated by these assholes. And they can't very well be martyrs if nobody remembers them. In the event that they are killed, we just have to do our best to forget they ever existed.
PsychoBurgundy3 1 month ago
@TAOtheGod Hey, I say let the martyrs be martyrs. The rest of the world lives on.
Quixotic311 2 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Set them up. Have federal agents watching their activities in public. If even one of them steps out of line, detain the whole group and pounce every civil service agency on them. Especially child welfare.
TAOtheGod 2 months ago
I see a lot of hate directed at the Westboro Baptist Church. Why? You aren't in the right by claiming they should be killed. You aren't right if you attempt to strike them down. They will have to stand before God to answer for what they have done. Don't allow them to get you angry. Just remember to Love one Another. If they cannot love you then turn the other cheek.
gat0rbball 3 months ago
What a bunch of Assholes !! They are pathetic !! And no nothing about the Bible .. Fucking sick psychos and if I ever get my hands on them Night Night !! Go fuck your selfs WBC !! abd anyone who is part of these loosers !!!! I am a true Satanist and these loosers make us look golden and we are !!!
bellapage666 3 months ago
the wbc is cool !!!!
diehardghost 3 months ago
It won't matter what the truth about WBC is when they're dead. Somebody seriously needs to kill them off soon.
XPsychoBurgundyX 3 months ago
Hauntingly beautiful I should say
mygreatlovenova 4 months ago
What is this music? It's sad but beautiful?
mygreatlovenova 4 months ago
@mygreatlovenova 'Adagio for Strings' by Samuel Barber
retrootakukangaroo 1 week ago
If they did indeed bear false witness and false accusation they themselves broke a 10 commandment thou shall not lie...
Do they realize not everyone in the world is gay and alot of people aren't fag enablers?
Subject to no one hmmm not even God and I thought they loved God so much they hated the world.
sorensonr5639 5 months ago
If they did indeed bear false witness and false accusation they themselves broke a 10 commandment thou shall not lie...
Do they realize not everyone in the world is gay?
Subject to no one hmmm not even God and I thought they loved God so much they hated the world
sorensonr5639 5 months ago
Interesting how the Phelps stance has overwhelmingly turned people away from Christianity and given justification for people not to follow God. I am pretty sure this was NOT Christ's intent. Excellent job of nailing them down and showing them to be the hateful, terrible, sorry excuses for people they are. I would call them garbage but I would be insulting garbage.
killerjasondude 5 months ago
Hold the phone, here! If Marc was so badly abused & doesn't support his father's madness, why doesn't he put a stop to all this abuse this guy is STILL doing to strangers & his church/family members by filing charges? There is no statute of limitations on child abuse, I believe? I would support Marc fully, he has been terribly victimized & I'm glad he is separated from his father's vileness, but if he could it would be great if he would use that to stop this guy from hurting people more.
windbeamproductions 5 months ago
@KJS72 Its time to stone them all to death.
smurfboywv 5 months ago
NEW TESTAMENT MATT 19:1-8 when asked about marriage, Jesus issued a sweeping condemnation of all sexual relationships outside of the male/female model established in Gen 1:27, which he specifically cited.
ROM 1:18-32 Though most of the passages deal with the male perspective, for the first time there is a specific mention of female homosexuality. And as the verdict comes in, we discover it too is a depraved condition brought on by a sinful nature.
SuperDebs59 6 months ago
@SuperDebs59 "MATT 19:1-8" is about DIVORCE not homosexuality. And "ROM 1:18-32" refers to the wickedness of ALL sin, LUST is just one of them. A heterosexual can commit the sin of lust just the same as a homosexual.
poppysfit 6 months ago
At Fred Phelp's funeral let's all throw a big party around his tomb and shoot lots and lots of fireworks and rejoice.
HORRORTV1 6 months ago
Btw, I'm not directing my message at KJS72. I'm directing it at people who are religious. Being spiritual is fine, being religious is messed up.
darkmachete 6 months ago
@darkmachete , I understand what you are saying. Most people don't realize there is a huge difference between FAITH and RELIGION. All religions are man made. To put it simply; RELIGION is actually hijacking another's (Jesus', Buddha's, Mohammad's, etc's...) FAITH. Look for God, but realize how, when and where you find God will be different from every other person on earth. This is why people end up questioning the religion they are born in. Some things may not ring true for your "soul".
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit Sorry but faith is dependant on your religion. The things you look for for affirmation of your beliefs are indocrinated into you when you are part of a religion. Some people change religion when they find out that the one they joined is completely unbelieveable BUT they fail to realise ALL religions are unbelieveable so they fall into another addiction to keep up the concept that there is a god that loves them.
You hear god's voice, you see 'signs', you feel uplifted, All mindtricks
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I was not "raised" in a religion. My FAITH came from coming to a point in life that made me realize all of this could not have come about because some explosions happened a billion years ago and life began. That to me is what is unbelievable when you actually begin to study biology, zoology and botany.
As far as seeing signs, when those signs actually lead you through turmoil and difficulties, are they wrong?
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit wrong is often a subjective term.
If the feelings you experience are based on a delusion or mind trick then they can hardly be right. If you need such tricks to cope with grief then they are not wrong for you at that time. But it is like seeing the joy of a 5 year olds face when its Christmas night, waiting for Santa Claus. Its quite magical, but its also seen as a delusion by adults who maintain that trick for children. If an adult believes in Santa Claus they would be ridiculed.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 So you are saying other's experiences must be delusions or mind tricks because they do not fit the beliefs you have or you have not experienced the same things? You are basically saying you have never been struck by lightning, therefor anyone who says they have been struck by lightning must be delusional.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit No, I am saying that personal experience that cannot be repeated in a scientific environment is not proof. Being struck by lightening can be proven in many ways, from the burn marks to eye witnesses and can easily be repeated in a lab. Being hit by God cannot. The only evidence is what a person feels about the experience. Nothing to show an observer.
If I said I can see God, but only me cause God wants it that way, it is not proof, it is just your word that this is happening.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 This is true, but do not tell anyone their personal beliefs are "delusional or mind tricks" simply because they are unable (or unwilling) to give proof that will satisfy you. I cannot prove the love I have for my children in a scientific environment but that is not proof that I don't feel love for them. An "observer" may see me punish my child and deduce I do not love my child from that.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit again your analogy is not exactly the same. A relationship between two actual people can be tested and verified, even through brain scans and can be compared to other people in love too. The reasons for your actions can be judged objectively and reasoned with in terms of purpose.
A relationship with God is purely one sided and cannot be reproduced in a lab as the feeling is self contained. Any experience has no way of being quantified as it is purely internal to you.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 You are mighty arrogant to think only the things you understand can occur. Why would anyone feel the need to scientifically verify the things they experience personally to you or anyone else? If someone (of sound mind) has personal experiences that convince them there is a higher power, who are you or anyone else to then tell them they must be delusional or a victim of mind tricks? I understand your point of view because I shared it at one time. Now I know better.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit Which is arrogant? Saying that personal claims not based on a shred of proof is not enough to convert others. Or saying that personal experience is enough to justify that a God exists, even though the person claiming this cannot offer a shred of evidence to anyone else.
I never said that personal experience cannot influence someones worldview, but it cannot be taken seriously by anyone else.
If I claimed that Zeus talks to me and guides me in life. would you believe me?
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 No, what I mean is: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." In other words, simply because you cannot explain the things that happen in other's lives does not mean you can judge them delusions or mind tricks. Science cannot explain everything going on in the universe anymore than neatly bound bible stories. Science is full of THEORIES that have not been "proven" yet. Some have even been disproved over the years.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit O Dear, you brought up scientific theories, and failed to understand what they mean.
Scientific theories like evolution, atomic theory, gravity, big bang, etc are NOT the same as the popular use of the word which means hypothesis. A scientific theory is a collection of facts and extremely stable and rarely if ever abandoned. They are refined only. There is no standard higher in Science than a Scientific Theory. It is the Oscars for scientific study
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Scientific theories are not "set in stone". They are at times falsified, contradicted, revised or set aside. Not infallible by any means. Like everything else man made. Including religion.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit Now we are getting somewhere. Yes, man made religion. However they claim that the books are either inspired or dictated or written by a divine being. This locks them in stone (almost literally). This is the problem. Muslims pride themselves in having followed a 1400 year old book that 'never' changes.
The strength of science is that it can adjust to match new facts. Scientific theories are revised or refined as they are an umbrella term for facts and a fact can be wrong at times.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 which is why I said religion and faith are two separate things. Although most claim they are interchangeable, for some of us there is no "religious" basis for our faith in a higher being. I believe in a higher being because of the things I see in life, nature, etc. In a way, science or the study of the things found in the natural world are the basis of my faith. For me at least, it is hard to believe all of "this" came about because "some stuff exploded".
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit Ah, some regression here. I think you misunderstand what science means by the Big Bang.
The hypothesis I have read about are extremely interesting, and while not as 'personal' as religion would like, makes a lot of sense. Personally I don't really care how the universe started, as it does not matter a lot in real life day to day things. Evolution on the other hand has given us plenty of benefits that saves millions of lives so I am deeply interested in that.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Evolution is also very interesting to me. Evolution is one of the main things that keeps me away from organized religion. I don't think it is so hard to believe any "creator" that was wise enough to create the universe would also be wise enough to know it could not continue to thrive without evolution. The world would be like a stagnant pool of water without evolution. (This is a good example of what I meant by faith and science working together in my mind.)
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit Ah you are on the cusp of atheism. Why do you think science needs faith to work? I agree with your statement about stagnation without evolution and while it was original sin that made me start thinking about my faiths logic, I see where you are coming from. Evolution is the logical way that creatures survive. But by default since genetic mutation is random and the environment is impartial I don't see any space left for faith. Is it just wishful thinking that adds that element?
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 I am simply trying to frame my belief in a way it can be understood. My faith in a creator and my understanding/acceptance of scientific facts exist side by side. One does not nullify the other. I feel no need to support my belief in one by refuting the other because RELIGION is not a factor in my beliefs. And where you see impartiality in the environment, I see design. For instance: When some people say, "Why did God allow this hurricane to kill so many and destroy
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit so much?", I say, "The oceans must have hurricanes in order to survive. Hurricanes churn the waters etc., etc., etc., (I'm sure you know the rest). YOU put yourself in natures way, not God." Anyway, I'm sure you get my meaning. I think there are natural laws at work and man tends to think he is above all that at times or can control it. I also think those natural laws did not "just happen". Therefore, God/the Creator/Higher Power.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit natural laws did not "just happen"? This is a classic arguement from ignorance (no insult). It means as you do not fully understand the laws or cannot comprehend how they originated you add 'god' into this gap in your knowledge to explain it.
This is understandable but does block your ability to find actual answers. But that is up to you.
This universe may require our laws to function, perhaps other (or previous) universes did not. It is beyond my knowledge at this time.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Maybe this will explain my beliefs better: I was once told it was a scientific fact that only "black" people were susceptible to sickle cell anemia. I questioned that scientific fact to a religious scholar and was told it was God's will and a curse of God on the "black" race. Through further study I found out people who have sickle cell cannot contract malaria. Malaria killed "black" people at a very early age. Although people with sickle cell die at a younger
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit age than those without it, they lived longer than those who contracted malaria. Nature adapted. This ability did not come about by accident. I see a higher power in the ability of nature to adapt. This did not "just happen".
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit Think of it this way. Do you ask God "why the cloudburst soaked you" Was it his will to get you wet (kinky) or was it that the water droplets reached a size that resulted in gravity taking hold and pulling them to earth, and you happen to be standing underneath.
A lot of theists love the "why" question. But it is a basic mistake. The universe does not NEED a why. Things happen because the laws of the universe (gravity for instance) allow events to occur. Once you accept that its easy.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Okay, we are in agreement on some level here. I think our minds diverge right after the laws of the universe stuff (LOL!). Where you see no need to look at why these laws are there ("I don't see any space left for faith."), this is where I find my belief in a higher power taking root. And this is where, as you put it, personal experience influences my worldview. My FAITH stems from things I have experienced that make me a believer. It is not based on RELIGION.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit And my beliefs are not based on delusions or mind tricks.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit well I am glad we have reached some agreement. On a final point. Your personal experience is your proof to have faith. You have made up your own rules on how to maintain a relationship with god or a creator being, right? A moral structure, a way to relate to him, you define some aspects of reality from that point of view. This can be seen as a personal religion (with JUST you as a worshipper). In this case Faith and religion is unique to YOUR Worldview.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 And my final point: I do not believe God/Creator is in need of worshippers anymore than I believe I need the "artwork" I create to worship me. I feel thankful for my creation and for all the joys I receive in life simply because I am thankful and enjoy living. Tomorrow, I may not be so thankful and full of joy due to circumstances, but I will not blame that on God/Creator. No religion here. Just being, learning and accepting as I go.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit Thanks my friend! Enjoyed the debate!
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit you are using a fictional character's words in a book written by a man AGAIN. to validate your faith. I suppose that is ironic in a way.
Science never claims to know everything, but it keeps trying to, and every year it achieves that little bit more knowledge. A wise and honest statement to things you don't know is "I don't know (yet)" not "God did it". Sticking a mystical entity into any gap in your knowledge to comfort yourself is lazy.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@poppysfit The fact that science is willing to change its mind is its strength. The fact that its practices allow this shows that science is the best way to examine reality and learn how things work.
All hypothesis are constantly challenged and these are either affirmed or discarded. Some parts of science have been disproven or refined as we develop better methods of studing reality. Would you rather stick to a concept that is NOT open to change and improvement. That leads to stagnation.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Yes, scientific theory: if you see a lot of horse shit, you will probably find a pony in the vicinity. Science can break down and explain how many things in nature work by simple observance, but that is not to say science can explain WHY everything works the way it does or why it is here or even how things came to be. And I do not think the words in any "holy" books do any better at answering these things.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit "observation" Sorry! LOL!
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit I think you have belief in some kind of being that made the universe, but one that has not been defined by any human religion. An unknown creator? I 'think' that is deism. I was a bit like that at one stage, until I could not justify the spiritual part other than attributing it to wishful thinking.
Still its a step away from the ignorance that is ruining our world with organised religion.
But its your fear and doubt that is holding you back from full atheism. Faith is fear.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 Actually, I must disagree AGAIN (LOL). My faith does not come from fear. And doubt only comes into play when I am in unfamiliar situations and unsure how to proceed. I may doubt myself from time to time, but I have learned to push on and usually come out okay in the end. I do not look for an "unknown creator" to fix things. I know I have been given the means to work things out myself with thought and/or physical action. And the only thing holding me back from
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit being an atheist is my belief that THERE IS A HIGHER POWER.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit "My faith does not come from fear" Just to address this. The remaining statement you made actually does support my comment on fear and doubt.
1. You are not willing to accept that the universe is inpersonal and unloving in general, so imply that a being must exist.
2. You doubt your own ability to cope in a cold and unfeeling universe WITHOUT a divine being having some sway there.
3. You find that your faith shields you from this fear and doubt by offering a friendlier alternative
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 1) Natural laws are, were and will always be at work. It IS impersonal and at times unloving but does not mean these laws were not implemented by a higher power.
2) Doubts are a natural humane trait. I'm sure even scientist doubt themselves at times. But I am able to fall back on the fact that natural laws are at work, what will be will be and there is no need in worrying about it. I press on.
3) The only alternative to living is giving up. Not very friendly.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit "The only alternative to living is giving up" Not sure where that last point came from. Do you think that without a god life has no meaning? Without eternal life, you think this life is worthless? Nothing could be further from the truth. This adds more vitality to life than ever. It also removes some of the fear of death, as it is seen as a normal part of life, not a gateway to judgement or eternal pain.
Life is precious, but not divine. cherish it for what it IS, not what you imagine
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 "Do you think that without a god life has no meaning?" Every life has meaning, whether he/she/it is aware of God or not. AND, I have no fear of death because I DO NOT believe it is a gateway to judgement or eternal pain. That is taught by RELIGIONS. I DO NOT believe anyone on earth knows what happens after death anymore than I believe anyone on earth knows how life started. Life is precious, God is divine. One does not nullify the other.
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit ok, I am confused by your two posts.
1. "The only alternative to living (with God?) is giving up. Not very friendly."
2. "Every life has meaning, whether he/she/it is aware of God or not."
So if life has value and meaning then why did you make the first statement when I said that the existance of a god is not required to have morals or have a reason to life just because the universe is cold and unfeeling.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
@AMomentOfClarity2011 The only alternative to living is dieing ("giving up" life). Every life has meaning: There is a reason for EVERY "thing" in this universe. My faith is not a shield from anything. I try to live a moral existence because I do believe in those natural laws we were talking about. Not because I think God will SMITE me if I do something wrong (LOL). Shit will happen but I am at peace with what life brings because I do not think of it as reward or punishment (RELIGION).
poppysfit 6 months ago
@poppysfit you know you could easily pass as an atheist. :)
Anyway I am not sure what is left to say but feel free to PM or continue here if you wish to further chat, I enjoyed it so far.
AMomentOfClarity2011 6 months ago
Fuck religion all together. That's what I say. FUCK IT! It's not helping people! You think what Fred did to Nate is bad? Try seeing what the Taliban does to people! And don't give me the bullshit "Islam is different than Christianity" NO IT'S NOT! It's the same fucking story! If you believe in god, that's fine, I don't care. But if you are apart of a religion, FUCK YOU! You're NOT helping no matter how badly you want to believe you are! People don't need religion, people need people. That's it!
darkmachete 6 months ago
i personally think that theyre just pissed off, some people are just mad and look for the next reason to be, and thats what theyre doing, so instead of them just going off on random things the organize and hate on what ever they dont like or understand
mcblubbernugget 6 months ago
See you are doing actual research, something they dont do, and wont do, because knhowing the origional texts it becomes difficult to reconsile any of the versions of the bible to the originals.
TheCaptainLulz 6 months ago
@KJS72 what's the font at the beginning?
aerobat97 6 months ago
Why does everyone put so much weight on to what a person believes? It doesn't effect anyone but themselves (or at least, it shouldn't).
The beginning of the universe has long since passed. Yeah, I'm curious as to how it came about but it's certainly nothing to fight over. It just is.
When we die, it doesn't matter were we go (if we even go anywhere) because we'll be dead-- there's no changing that. Personally, if I die and there is something, then I'll deal.
Y'all need to stop dwelling & live.
sw33tf00t 6 months ago
i dont think they r going to hell for all eternity. i am not religious because many religions talk about goin to hell for all eternity if u do not agree with their ways. That is intolerance and yet people r convinced that this intolerance=righteousness. sounds like bullshit 2 me.
GODFATHER4768 6 months ago
@BOBCATBIKERBABE
you misused the semicolon
TheAgefly 6 months ago
WBC is an attention hound, they even said this in an interveiw. If you people would simply ignore them they will shut up and live their lives in the misery that they impose on others which is our goal right??? If they keep seeing their names come up they will continue. Gods sees all!
BOBCATBIKERBABE 6 months ago
Can't wait till I get to the states so I can fuck (mess, mind you for those more perverted mind people =P) with them
qwe0607 7 months ago
Before seeing this I thought that the worst crime of WBC was exploiting the deaths of people whom they did not know to try to anger people enough for someone to assault them so they could take it to court and win money from it, but now I see that they have done so much more wrong than that. I am not religious, but after seeing this I believe that Fred Phelps is the embodiment of evil.
eleventhousandfour 7 months ago
here's what i think would be a great idea (i've seen it done on youtube):
go to a westboro baptist cult protest, and hold a gay rights fundraiser across the street. if at all successful in raising funds for gay rights, send a thank-you letter to wbc.
YamishiMizuandDracus 7 months ago
I would say all of those people are going to Hell, but it's not my decision. All I know is that they are not Christian and never will be. Anyone who thinks they are even close to being religious in a positive way is insane. If anything, they should basically be satanists, if not worse.
LilMissLacy1128 7 months ago
There will always be extremists like this family, they are a tiny church with members who are just unhappy and use this to take their stress out on people. I do believe their children being children believe what their parents say as we all know you are a product of your enviroment they really havent a clue what they are saying but love their parents and do as they are told. God is forgiving and is a loving God, through Jesus he spreads love, Jesus did not stand on the street abusing everyone.
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Reaper6207 7 months ago
Fantastic! One step at a time people are making sure this group will not spread like the parasites they are, Sure they'll always have insecure people lining up to join them in their hate but we can limit those numbers. I'm from new zealand and I'm pretty sure a church here has stolen their idea and are using it for themselves. Check out destiny church and you'll see what I mean (a lot of sane new zealanders prefer to call them density church) :)
angie23575 7 months ago
I read some of the story from the link its quite upsetting .. :/
MeAndMyKettle 7 months ago
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even God hates the WBC
thedeathovmankind678 7 months ago
they wont come to the east coast they will get there ass kicked....just like what happend in delaware
scotty17815 7 months ago 4
@scotty17815 GO FOR IT, SCOTTY! OO-RAH!!!!!
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1VampireWolf 7 months ago
I have a facebook page, "Citizens to rid the world of the evil Westboro Baptist Church" and I have articles and videos on there talking about how WBC is a scam. They are all lawyers, and they know how far they can push people legally, and their whole mission is to inflame people and to get them to attack so they can sue the individual and the police station for not protecting them, and this is how they fund their protests.
MegaCrazycatt 7 months ago 3
also you forgot, judge not lest ye be judged by the same mesure
beccaboo1323 7 months ago
I want Westboro out of my city and my state!!!!! They give Topeka and Kansas a bad name
soukupb 7 months ago
@soukupb If enough people in the town were to sign a petition something might happen. I contacted the Mayors office there, and was told they tried to stop WBC but ended up paying the church 80,000.00 and fines and court costs. I think they want to be sued because they will get money out of it.
smurfboywv 7 months ago
@smurfboywv Ya i think i heard about that case when it happend people been trying for years too get them out.
soukupb 7 months ago
@soukupb I don't know what else can be done, unless you bulldoze the compound down.
smurfboywv 7 months ago
@smurfboywv Thats actually a good idea lol.
soukupb 7 months ago
I'm a Christian and all I can say is Satan himself is more Christian than those people.
CokedUpPuppy 7 months ago
That's a pathetic old man,he's Satan's disciple.
BAYBER3214 7 months ago
And I wil execute great vengence upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know I am the Lord, when I shall lay my vengence upon them Ezekial 25:17
Inferno76ftw 7 months ago
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futurephantom2007 7 months ago
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futurephantom2007 7 months ago
I had to look up what a mattock handle was... and I'm shocked... genuinely shocked that a man would do that to his own son!
Caradog93 7 months ago
SHIRLEY PHELPS IS COCKSUCKER TRANSSEXUAL
bauer444 8 months ago
@bauer444 I don't think that's true, but I certainly agree with your level of disdain toward Shirley Phelps.
chaosaxis 7 months ago
Wow KJS72, this is a really good point, its solid, and its factual....I may just have to use your video in a demonstration for my project about how WBC ties into a cult, and how it plays a role in sociology...dont worry, i'm not going to take credit for your work, just only spreading your words.
usmctelles 8 months ago
Most religions are pretty much religions of hatred for anyone who doesn't share the EXACT same beliefs. Phelps has jus taken it way to the extreme. He is a good example of how religious addiction makes people crazy.
Joe80751 8 months ago
Surely you jest.
Look, I abhor (to use Yahweh's lingo) WBC as much as the next sane individual, but to claim the Bible speaks nothing of homosexuality the way we understand it? That's just a lie. You have to deal with the fact your deity doesn't like the way his creation turned out (see: Every mammal)
"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." "Mankind" in Hebrew means precisely what it means today.
Deal with it. Reject the "deity" (yes) or embrace the teaching.
rationalmuscle 8 months ago
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futurephantom2007 7 months ago
If Jesus was a Jew then why was he known as the NAZARINE?? someone answer this question and not a WBC as your answer wont mean shit to me.
ilovemymum777 8 months ago
@ilovemymum777
Nazareth was the town where he lived.
KJS72 8 months ago 21
@KJS72 And it never existed. And the "Messiah, God" clip from Josephus was a forgery. AND Samson the Nazorean was as far from someone born in "Nazareth" as a seagull is from being the planet Venus; you might as well say "He was a Nazi, since Nazarene and Nazi sound similar and start with the same three letters."
ChurchOfKali66619 7 months ago
@ChurchOfKali66619 Do you honestly believe what you are saying or are you just an imbosil who needs to get a life?
BOBCATBIKERBABE 7 months ago
@BOBCATBIKERBABE I honestly believe it. Just google "Jesus Never Existed for a wonderful website full of very scholarly, well-written information. And it's "imbecile" and yes, I have a very full, active life. Gee, I love bikes, especially Indians and Harleys. Three of my favorite cousins are 1%ers and they're smart. It makes me sad if you're really that judgmental (or just mental) and that ignorant.
Sooo---Baptist or Pentecostal?
ChurchOfKali66619 7 months ago
@ChurchOfKali66619 If you want to correct spelling you need to correct your own. 1%er would slap the shit out of you for being so nieve. I would
For your information; not that it makes a difference, I am not Christian I am a witch.I do respect all religions, even though I dont agree with em. Who knows, man had wrote the bible may be he misunderstood I had read the bible had you? Oh never mind you are one of them no it alls who knows nothing about believing in something you dont see. Grow up
BOBCATBIKERBABE 6 months ago
@KJS72 problem with that is Nazareth was not there till after Jesus was suppose to knocking about
Tony2438 6 months ago
@ilovemymum777 I am from America so I am called an American. It is not my religion but my country of origin. Jesus was from Nazareth and people from there were called Nazarines.
KnappDrumm3r 6 months ago
@ilovemymum777 Im christian and im not part of the WBC, Nazareth is part of Israel,and He came into the world through a jewish woman, that is why He is jewish.
OneIsrael77 6 months ago
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TraffordReds9 6 months ago
@ilovemymum777 If people would actually read the Bible instead of using it for hatred... it clearly states that Jesus was of the line of David... he celebrated passover, and he went to synagogue. What more fucking proof do people need???!!!
Cobe1976 6 months ago
@ilovemymum777 I don't know the whole answer to this but i will answer what i can...Jesus was known as a Nazarene because of where he was born...he was, in fact however, Jewish.
taylormadediva2009 6 months ago
These lunatics are planning to protest a memorial service for those that died in the tornado in Joplin, MO. Their tagline for this is thank God for 125 and counting dead in Joplin, MO. I only hopen that these people don't get their way and that people keep their focus on why the memorial service is being put together.
DiamondTears2639 8 months ago
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"One day they are going to start spouting their crap in the wrong place at the wrong time" That day is coming near. It will be Sunday May 29th. The city of Joplin, MO and it's citizens will not tolerate these "Cult" members.
SpawningFish 8 months ago
@SpawningFish They are trying to encourage people in Joplin to not act violently towards the WBC. That would be giving the morons exactly what they want, more publicity. Instead, they are asking people who stand against Westboro to do exactly that. They are encouraging people from outside of Joplin to help form a human barricade blocking the mourners from the idiotic members of this cult.
DiamondTears2639 8 months ago
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"One day they are going to start spouting their crap in the wrong place at the wrong time" That day is coming near. It will be Sunday May 29th. The city of Joplin, MO and it's citizens will not tolerate these "Cult" members.
SpawningFish 8 months ago
I don't think these insane morons care if Jesus was a Jew or not. They think Fred Phelps is the Messiah and that God is speaking through him. That's how they are able to screw up the Bibles message so easily. They simply use that old dried up loon's interpretation of the scriptures. One day they are going to start spouting their crap in the wrong place at the wrong time. I just hope someone in the crowd has a camera. There should be a celebration like the night they got Bin Laden!
poppysfit 8 months ago 14
@poppysfit yeah he thinks he is getting the word from God but i think it is the devil that is speaking to him
animewarrior08 6 months ago
if they believe in their unbliblical beliefs so much they should take their butts to Iran, if God is really backing up their nasty method of preaching then they should be able to say their crud without police interference, but they know that they are gonna get killed so they dont do it, they like to think of themselves as martyr, when they get tortured or killed for the sake of the true testimony of Christ then they can say that their msg is real, in the mean time what they preach is crud
OneIsrael77 6 months ago
Christ was a Jew for fucks sake
geekos1 8 months ago
I'm a Christian. And this video is the realest thing I've seen thus far. I mean the Bible has been changed in so many ways that I second guess some things. I knew that it couldn't be translated without some sort of bias.
Candiecane908 8 months ago 2
@Candiecane908 That's a really good point.
ElectricMayhem87 8 months ago
Thank you so much for your video. I am dumbstruck with the true evil these people in the name of God and Jesus Christ.
rivynaussies 8 months ago
i am a christian but i really hope the children do make a change cause the world as we know it is influenced by family and if famliy is corrupted, then it really wild spreading fire
i pray for the church to come back to jesus and live life with out using gods name for their own hatred.
this is totaly satanic
youdntnit 8 months ago
KJS72,HON IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE LET MARC AND NATE KNOW THEY ARE LOVED AND IT WAS GOD WHO OPENED THEIR EYES TO THE LIES.BE HAPPY TO KNOW THEY WERE RIGHT TO LEAVE,AND NEVER FORGET THAT. SORRY THEY(THE FAMILY) WERE LIKE JIM JONES,KORESH, MANSON.AND HITLER
SHAME THEY ABUSED GOD'S NAME IN THEIR VANITY.I PITY THEM MORE THAN HATE THEM. SINCE THEY ARE CARRYING A FIRST CLASS TICKET TO HELL..
KJ, KEEP STRONG AND KEEP THE FAITH AND I HOPE YOUR BLESSED WITH A GOOD LIFE.
CASTLE309D 8 months ago
KJS72,HON YOU ARE LOVED AND IT WAS GOD WHO OPENED YOUR EYES TO THE LIES.BE HAPPY TO KNOW YOU WERE RIGHT TO LEAVE,AND NEVER FORGET THAT. SORRY THEY WERE LIKE JIM JONES,KORESH,AND MANSON.
SHAME THEY ABUSED GOD'S NAME IN THEIR VANITY.
KJ, KEEP STRONG AND KEEP THE FAITH AND I HOPE YOUR BLESSED WITH A BETTER LIFE.
CASTLE309D 8 months ago
Amazing how a fictitious 2000 yr old piece of history has brainwashed so many people! Look at what religion does to insecure feeble minded people! The problem is RELIGION, it has created more BLOODBATHS than anything else in history! You people who follow a contradictive, invisible man with 10 things you should not do, your the FOOLS NOT THE REST OF SOCIETY!!!!!
TheSouthpau 8 months ago
@TheSouthpau actually in history many events in the bible happen, and not everyone is like the westboro baptist so dont say stupid shit if you dont know anything
aznkidontheloose 8 months ago
@aznkidontheloose
actually in history many events in the bible happen? what kind of a sentence is that?
the man has a point, how many jews have been murdered only because they are jews? how many christians were prosecuted only for being christian? how many people have been killed or had their hands chopped off because of the quran? (or however you spell it in english)
you go count that shit, add it up, give me a number and tell me religion hasn't caused a lot of deaths
geekos1 8 months ago
They disgusted me before... but holy fucking hell, that was BEFORE i knew THIS.
I dont understand how this video can be argued with at all. Really, I don't. There is NO logical argument to make against this. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO <3
"Just ignore them, these people are insane" lol TRUTH MAN.
xdorknproud65 8 months ago
What Old Testament is there to quote at you, your arguement is flawless
gameknight102xx 8 months ago
These travesties of human beings will always lose because they only know hate.
They have the freedom to do what they do because of the soldiers who fight to defend their right to free speech. All over the world people watch & sympathise with the grieving families & despise the WBC. They will never win.
TheEvilgrandma 8 months ago
@avalonjoyous It's been a long time you little diseased AIDS ridden child molesting faggot. As I just got done telling a few of my old YT buddies, I just got laid off my 45k a yr job which I've secured for a yr and a half until the budgets effected employment. You know, a JOB. Something you apparently have never held in your entire life, while you continue to live home with your parents at 30 yrs old LOL! Let me ask yu fagboy, have you accomplished ANYTHING in the 3 years youv been on YT?
Triple03Baller021 9 months ago
@Triple03Baller021 Gay people are people too. Don't disrespect them on their sexual preferences. There is nothing wrong with it. It's not like you have to watch them sleep. I don't want to see that either.. but their actully really nice people.. and just because some ancient fictional book says its wrong doesn't mean its actully right.
Imjustalone1 8 months ago
killerjasondude makes a valid point, but really shouldnt they lose the right to free speech atleast? and jason though you werent ordered to waste them you werent ordered not to, so i say if you can get away with it, go to it soldier your country will thank you.
Or atleast if no one will kill them, burn all their buildings and homes and run them out of any town they try to live in. What about an old school tar and feather job? cant kill em all anyway, they got alot of under 18s.
sampeythepirate 9 months ago
The woman preacher is not permitted the bible clearly states "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer [allow] not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." —1st Timothy 2:11-12
turner5149 9 months ago
You know what. I want these people to talk to me. I really do. The reason is to completely throw down their idiotic ideoligy. I'm a soldier and it pisses me off to know that these people live.
neospawn89 9 months ago
@neospawn89
logic vs insanity
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ebrowne369 9 months ago
wow this gets better. shirley an illigitimate son? i bet some of this is fake or otherwise these people just realise the end of fundamentalist christianity is near and they decided to let all hell break loose :)
TheWeeaboo 9 months ago
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot. one of their familymembers caught in possesion of marijuana? that hypocricy makes me laugh out hard. and maybe because im dutch
TheWeeaboo 9 months ago
why cant they all be killed?
needsmetal 9 months ago
god is love
13kimkimkim13 9 months ago
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fattoldpig 9 months ago
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love is kind, patient, forgiving, submissive.... god is jealous and vengeful, therefore god is not love.
fattoldpig 9 months ago
Thank you for posting this. I actually feel sorry for the Phelps family, abuse can do some really fucked up things to a person. God, I wonder what kind of fucked up childhood Fred Phelps had. It's no wonder they're crazy. What's even crazier is the few people outside of the family who have joined this church. Yes, they pick and choose what to believe from the bible, but so does every Christian faith. Here's something else I've been wondering. When is the last time anyone has seen Fred in person?
loomofmetals 9 months ago
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GirlsThatWearBlue 9 months ago
I read about Nate on the link. It was so sad.
wakincloud 9 months ago
The bible states that a man should not have sex with another man and woman should not have sex with another woman.
MCAmbitious 9 months ago
@MCAmbitious
can you say that with a reference next time dumbass?? otherwise that just tells us that you don't know shit so fuck off
Lonewolf9126 9 months ago
@Lonewolf9126 Calm down. We both know you would not say that to my face so just calm down my friend. Yet if you think you are tough, then come to Rochester NY. I live at 30 Washington Street. Now come to me and say the same thing to my face and see what will happen to you. You will be a dumbeass when I get done with you little girl.
MCAmbitious 9 months ago
@MCAmbitious ok mister tough guy...for one i'm not going do stoop down to your level of idiocracy and argue with you! I'm sure you're just a punk and you think you're tough but you're actually not so go find some other youtube user to harass with your typed words that really don't mean shit to me cause i'll just laugh every time! So good luck with that.
Lonewolf9126 8 months ago
@Lonewolf9126 Yeah I'm tough guy becaue I can fight real great. I'm 6 ft one and 300 pounds, move around with ease and know martial arts my friend. You want to call me names then I will be what you call me. I told you my damn address so how I am a punk? You are the punk because you called me dumb ass. You could have said I was wrong. Yet you are the tough guy and started so stop lying on me. You call me a punk then prove it or shut up. You know my address.
MCAmbitious 8 months ago
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Uincheckmate 9 months ago
The "Pastor" Phelps was probably turned down by a swedish woman...
Bowerstone1th 9 months ago
@killerjasondude will u greet them with an M1 abrams?
hunterpeterson81095 9 months ago
I would say the members of WBC need to die...but then they couldn't suffer anymore. What the WBC (sans the children) need is to be put through what Phelps did to his children, multiplied. Especially Fred Sr. himself. Just so he can get a taste of what he's done and still does to this day. Perhaps they should be hung upside down as well, so as to keep the blood flow to their head and keep them conscious the entire time they're being beaten like the dogs they are...ESPECIALLY FUCKIN' PHELPS!!!!!!
MrPiroshii 9 months ago
You're right, they're not a church, they're a cult. I have personal reason to not like these people. First, they picketed my high school and they almost picketed my church- cause it's a non-denominational church- but they didn't.
terrfomp92 9 months ago
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I am not for Westboro baptist church at all,I think they are wrong for the way they are acting,but who ever made this video. Those two words to'ebah, or gadesh do not translate to that meaning..........Just sayin
sandranorton36 9 months ago
I am not for Westboro baptist church at all,I think they are wrong for the way they are acting,but who ever made this video. Those two words to'ebah, or gadesh do not translate to that meaning..........Just sayin
sandranorton36 9 months ago
And arrogance is something they frequently are against. Funny how hypocritical they can be.
5000Bullets 9 months ago