Fog of War Part 5 - Air Crash Investigation/Mayday

[Rayna0758]

It was a 737..... and Yes the pilots followed Procedure THE HIGHER UPS.... SCREWED UP SAME SHIT Different Obviously You have never been in the Military....

[norbi7631]

US standards? US standards thata allows to blame someone, in most o(il)f caseses of disasters? Scrue US, bunch of nuggets, morans that invadeded New World thinking they are the gods, there should happend to US what they have thought abiut making "2012" movie, they should be wiped out and the word will be much better after that. They never learn, World hates the fat hamurger nation, and they stick theor nose evrywhere, but I'm really hoping they are at their end. Amen

[mrcnp1]

As far as I know military landing minimums are even lower than civilian minimums printed on Jeppesen approach plates. Concluding that the maps are partially to blame is ??? One question comes to my mind. How many hours of experience had the crew and how much pressure was on them to land despite the weather!!! Very sad. RIP

[ash9803]

This all happened before 3:00 in the afternoon. Why is it all shot as if it's in the middle of the night? It may have been raining but it was day time.

[celticlofts]

The airport at Dubrovnik was far below modern standards just like our airports in the states. Antiquated equipment, an FAA who is more interested in promoting air travel than regulating it, and overworked atc staff all culminate in hundreds or near collisions every year at America's airports. So our standards are just a smidgen better than they are in Dubrovnik..and that's being honest about it.

[NA734]

@celticlofts As unusual as it may sound, I believe that you are right... :$

[XLnotsofunny]

Now concerning the bad economy we have in the united states, a lot of people, including my friends who just graduated from high school with me, are always yelling for bigger regulation on private industries in all areas from safety to financial matters. I personally find it ironic that the events of this video, even though they took place 14years ago seem to indicate that the government is the one who needs more regulating in terms of setting standards for itself to run by

[samson4474]

Budget cuts and bureaucracy instead of common sense, a fatal combination. The 'high ranking officers' who make such bad decisions are not the ones who have to die in events like this. And because they get away with it so often they think it will just be fine over and over again. It's ironic how the people who make the decions that affect everyone else are rarely subject to the consequences of their decisions. Let the experienced pilots who fly the plane decide how it should be done.

[125RTY]

This is very similar to the polish crash that happened recently that killed their president and other important people. bad weather, old planes, and political pressures to land no matter how. well they landed alright,.. on a mountain.

[onionc]

It is all those stupid politics and "most senior level in Airforce" to be blamed for this accident!

Pilots absolutely did the right thing. What are you expecting to drive a car in a total darkness without a headlight?

Cutting budget, putting pressure, cutting corners... now they said "oh shit we have to blame someone else".

[hlimkb]

weather,[poor visibility

[penguinator551]

over 7000 pages!!! fucking ell XD

[01thebestguy01]

pilots shouldn't have been blamed

[spacestevie2]

What these pilots were facing was probably a lot of pressure. Mission oriented, they were told to get these people to where they wanted to go and do it. No one wanted to miss their press conferences and appearances. When you get to a certain level people tend to push the edge of the envelope despite normal procedures. In all likelihood, they wanted to get there because they were told to get there.

[jwild19]

I really dont think the Pilots shoulds have been blamed, they were working with what they had, its not their fault all the systems they had to use were faulty in some way!

[Brathaw]

@jwild19 Realize, some of this has been "dumbed down" so the general public can understand.

An ADF arrow always points at an NDB. If they flew over the NDB as the USAF Airborne radar charting shows, then the pilot should not have been off course. The other instrument that records turns and maneuvers should have been checked against the ADF. Approaches using a single NDB are taught in basic flight training, and date from the 1930's but rarely used in the US today

[jwild19]

@Brathaw I understand that it has been dumbed down but like this show always says its a combination of factors that leads to a tragedy like this. Also from my understanding the pilots were given unapproved charts, this leads me to believe that with the correct information they may not have gone off course. In addition, had the airport been properly equipped they may have been able to correct the planes position.

[A1A2A3A3A4A5]

@jwild19 Well according to the show they would have gone off course even with a better chart because of their faulty IMS. But they would probably have made a Missed Approach seeing that the airport wasn't where they would expect it to be.

[jwild19]

@Brathaw These pilots were flying in bad weather with faulty information to an unfamiliar airport that did not have up to date equipment. I don’t think the pilots are blameless, but, while they made mistakes, I believe these may not have occurred had the USAF done their job. From the information I’ve heard and read this is what I believe, correct me if I’m wrong. :)

[Brathaw]

@jwild19 No, you are absolutely right here. But they made mistakes as well. In the scheme of things pilot error was at the bottom of the list of who's to blame... but they are still on the list.

Had the USAF ruled not to use the airport till the charts and equipment were updated, this may never have happened, but if the pilot had followed his training, (and without a black box, it appears he hadn't ) it still may never have happened.

[jwild19]

@Brathaw Thanku for ur input, its nice to have a healthy debate with someone & not get into the pissing matches u often see on youtube. I think we r go'n to have agree to disagree on this 1. I do believe that pilot error was a factor however part of their training when attempting a NDB approach requires 2 ADFs, this plane only had 1. Their ADF can only pick up 1 NDB at a time, having to switch btw the NDB just made their jobs more difficult. I still dont think they r responsilbe 4 the crash. :)

[Brathaw]

@jwild19 You're right, it is nice to have a polite conversation here. My point was, that having 2 ADFs, one for each NDB is nice, but not required. I've made several approaches using only one NDB, and thus only one ADF. Switching channels would have made the attempt worse. But, I can agree to disagree here. I'm not a professional pilot, and only fly between a few familiar airports, and wouldn't even attempt that approach in those conditions, so I am in no way an expert. :)

[AlainNaigeon]

@Brathaw This crash might have some points in common with the crash that happened recently with the Polish prime minister ; when there is much stress due to VIPs, time schedule, etc, you are pushed to do things that you normally wouldn't do.

[Baloney1011]

@AlainNaigeon You're wrong. The prime minister was never on that plane, he was safe on land and is still alive. The president and most of the secretaries, VIPs of the government, etc. died.

[Martin071982]

@jwild19 they always need one to blame guilty, the dead pilots was the easiest way, being dead they can't complain. every one else involved somehow into this tragedy is just lucky not to be blamed or just to be blamed a bit, so they will not argue for the pilots.

[kaanddonald]

"Jepperson" it is Jeppesen Mr hourbuilder.And they don't go to each airports around the world and measure MDA .Its given buy local aviation people dude.

[littlelion1972]

Jeppessen, not Jepperson.

[littlelion1972]

Jeppesson, not Jepperson.

[truthersRdumb]

@littlelion1972

I mean it was in a very dangerous part of the world, if someone wanted to take it out there were SAM 7s available, shoot it down and the claim would be it was "hostile action". Isn't that fucking easier than, faking a plane crash, shooting people allegedly on it and getting every Police, medico and serviceman of all participating nations to swear secrecy?

Fucking crazy dudes...you CT twoofers...is that your momma calling you to dinner?

[babasirivemaplan]

what a B.S report. That flight attendant survived the crash and even walked to the helicopter that airlifted her, strangely she was dead by the time she got to the hospital! Ron Brown had a bullet hole in his head! That controller was found with a bullet hole in his chest some days before he was to be questioned about the crash. Brown was Clinton's fundraiser and was under investigation for money laundering. He had openly said he was not going to jail alone. Now join join the puzzle...

[00Billy]

@babasirivemaplan

Should I file this under "whitewater"? Or under the Non-Chinese fundraiser files..

[truthersRdumb]

@00Billy

No it would be under "Fucking Twoofers get a life"

FFS, what they faked an air-crash and then machine gunned the people on it? Fucking stupid pricks these conspiracy turds.

[truthersRdumb]

@babasirivemaplan

LMFAO you conspiracy turkeys really need a life :)

SO she was walking around with a broken back then? F*cking idiot.

Brown had a circular head wound caused by trauma. The suggested .45 fired into the skull would have sent the slug down into his throat or out of his skull. If you wanted to kill the dude, bash him on the head and leave him on a mountain, he would die

Actually I heard it was Elvis flying the plane and he was taking them all to the moon. F*cking idiot STFU

[hourbuilder]

Jepperson is a US company....ffs these video's are dumb! MDA not up to US standards, then sort ur own US company out!

[IN35335]

another example of management bastards who thought that they can get away with doing things for convenience.

If the secretary of commence wasn't on board the plane would the management in the air force be held responsible?

[rufusandburne]

Look at the pilots eyes! he is on a suicide mission...lol

[spacegirl13]

I remember this and always wandered what really happened to this flight and now I know. Very sad. All of us in Dubrovnik were saddened by this tragedy. One of the controllers in the control tower took his own life after this tragedy. I guess he felt somewhat responsible for the crash. RIP crew and passengers and my thoughts go out for their families.

[spacegirl13]

The controller in Dubrovnik airport took his own life. I'm pretty sure cause it was in the newspapers...

[SeadweIler451]

KB,

Can you post a picture of yourself.

I want to know what a true idiot looks like when I run across one!

[KBCKC]

just look in the mirror

[SeadweIler451]

I have no reflection. Any other brilliant ideas. . .perhaps there's a conspiracy behind that too??

I bet if you look hard enough, you could find it. . .you're SOOOO smart!!

LOL

What a noob!

[KBCKC]

you're really 49?

[inuadi]

The music at the end of the program was really nice!

[hollywoodcb500]

it's easy to put the mistakes on the shoulders of the pilots but the lack of flight recoders is not the fault of the crew and the single radio nav system no more.

bad weather, lack of navigation instruments, presure of carrying important people and make them arrived on time, unknown airport approach procedure, old ground traffic control system.

they were doomed as they take off.

when all these insignificent mistakes are combined this led to a fatal flight. RIP

[RedDynasty123]

I can't believe the stewardess died she was so hot! What was the actor of the stewardess's name?

[ibgsstps]

Kristi Angus

[MinnesotaMan13]

Now if they could play this in the US, that would be nice, but I don't see it on National Geographic. (I heard that they played it)

[IsabellaBellaElise]

I'm in the US and I have Charter digital cable and every Tuesday morning, usually from 6am-11am they (Nat. Geo.) air this show, sometimes mixed in with other shows. Anyway I'm almost positive I've seen this epi on tv. That or I watch may too many of them on here :)

RIP all involved and may all their loved ones know peace.

[yugmnivek]

No GPS in a military 737 in 1996? What kind of b.s. is that. I had a handheld garmin in 2001 that would have put me right on the numbers. Just another Clinton killing.

[kwgrid]

How is this a Clinton killing? Looks like incompetence on the part of the commanders of the 86th Airlift Command. A President can't be everywhere.

[spacegirl13]

Ok, so you have some evidence to support your statements?! But just the same I don't want to get more deeper into this I just wanted to say that any airplane crash that resulted in death's is a sad thing.

[FlyingPipers]

Yugmnivek is right. I have been flying as a commercial pilot for years and have never flown an aircraft without a GPS. I find it really odd that this navigational system was not even mentioned in the report. However it is possible that the 737 did not have a current database for that region... Poor pilots and crew.

[pamperjet]

I've landed in Dubrovnik many times in the 80s.

My sister was supposed to be on this specific flight but her itinerary changed.

[SweetBreannaUSA]

if there is any one that is an airliner pilots can you please contact me send me a message to my in box...thanks...would like to know some things

[PnoiDud3]

kewl =D

[socrates2468]

nice!