i am no longer a roman catholic but i know it very well for many years so do my ancestors.the protestants changed the bible to their own liking to what they wish it would have said..
As the first woman (Eve), by whom came sin, was made of a man without a woman; so the Man by whom sin was done away, was made of a woman(The Blessed Virgin Mary) without a man. By the first we fell, by the other we rise.
How many prayers can Mary hear at one time, being she isn't God ? God can be everywhere at the same time to hear our prayers. Mary must be confused with so many prayers coming to her. How does she decide which one to listen too.
Jesus asked us to love one another as Jesus loved us, Jesus worshiped the people so much, He died for them, there is not greater offering, than one's life given for another , so that if we do love one another as Jesus loves us, there is no greater worship that is then to be given to all the people , including Mary , or any of the Saints. To love Mary is equal to loving Jesus, since loving Mary is obeying Jesus' command. Worship ,Honor, Love, etc, does not have levels of decrees, .
Protestant dominated this debate. Dr. Fastiggi really had nothing except that the Catholic church developed the dogma, and it therefore must be believed or you are anathema.
I like these guys both, at times I don't like Dr. Whites approach. And I am a Protestant, it's a really good debate. The dude in the middle is a party animal!!!
We view Mary as foremost of all the saints in Heaven unlike most all other Protestants. I think the biggest difference between us and Rome is what we would Not attribute to Mary or anybody else other than God.
Catholics have no leg to stand on, Mary wasn't mentioned in a single Apostolic letter, not one. But yet past popes have invoked her countlessly in prayers and statements. You can't have it both ways. To say merely that not everything is contained in the Bible doesn't even come close to cutting it. They can't show any parallel to Scripture from the popes nor their deep honor (borderline worship) of Mary nor the ridiculous unfounded claims of Purgatory.
@brughs2Maccabees12:43-46 He then took up a collection among all his soldiers to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted inasmuch as he had the resurrection in mind; for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been foolish to pray for the dead. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be absolved from their sin.
@For3nity As an Anglican and in adhereance to the 39 articles of religion, I do not accept 2Maccabees or any other apocryphical writing as authoritative Scripture. Even St. Jerome at the time of the completion of the Vulgate did not recommend that the apocrypha be included with Scripture. We do read from these books when they come up in the lectionary mostly for historical information, but we do not call them the inspired Word of God because they are not.
Episcopal parish in Bladensburg converts to Roman Catholic Church
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@brughser1969 Mat 12:31-32 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be FORGIVEN, either in this age or IN THE AGE TO COME.
@brughser1969 Mary were mentioned in all important events in Jesus life and ministry. Annunciation by the angel Gabriel,Jesus birth, the presentation of Jesus in the temple, Jesus missing for 3 days, His 1st miracle at wedding at Cana, when He was teaching, during His passion on the cross, after the ascension of Jesus into heaven, during the pentecost. And I gave you the link of Mary&the Early Church Fathers htt p: //ww w. americancatholictruthsociety. com/docs/ecf_mary. htm (remove all spaces).
@For3nity Such as all the papal statements and prayers and all of the theology that elevates Mary beyond sainthood. Such as co redeeming with Christ. Also the prayers that refer to having altars to Mary and asking Mary to do things for us beyond intercession. There are many. Pope Pius XII etc.
@brughser1969 About "scriptural" Mary this site may help you, pls take a look ==> htt p://ww w.scripturecatholic. com/blessed_virgin_mary. html (remove all spaces)
For other "scriptural" doctrines, just go to htt p://ww w.scripturecatholic. com
@For3nity I don' know if I told you, but I am an ex-cradle Catholic. For years, I went to mass every Sunday and almost every holy day of obligation. I went to Adorations, Rosaries and Catholic men's groups and studies. I studied the RCC as well as practiced. I never felt even remotely close to Jesus at any time. I never once was convinced that Mary was anything like Catholics claim she is no matter what Catholic literature I read. I left in 2004 and became Anglican. I never looked back.
@brughser1969 I am a cradle Catholic too. I was at your stage before, but now Jesus is so real in the Catholic Church with His real presence in the Eucharist. As for Mary, try read The Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda of Jesus. It's a great book and available online.
@For3nity I appreciate your concern. In the time that I have been an Anglican, I now almost feel like I have been Anglican my whole life. I know Jesus and I feel so very close to him as well as St. Mary and all the saints in heaven during the Eucharist and especially during the Sanctus. I realize that Rome does not recognize our Communion as valid and that's fine. I found Christ in daily prayer, through everyday Scripture reading and studying, but mostly by knowing his true saving grace.
@brughser1969 It's good if now you have a close relationship with Christ and all the Saints, including the greatest Saint, our Blessed Mother Mary. I feel the same now in the Catholic Church. But to tell you the truth, I can still see you as a true product of Catholic Church: nice, humble, gentle and good. May God always bless you. Amen.
@brughser1969 The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. So sure, we are all the product of Christ. Let's keep loving one another as Jesus has loved us. Let's always be the light and the salt of the world. Christ Jesus will be always our ONE mediator between God and man in the context as written in Hebrew 9:13-15. The Saints mediate between God and man the same if you pray for me, or the saints pray for St. Paul (Philipians1:19). God bless you. BTW, I love the 100 Funny Falls :-)
@For3nity If there's one thing you'll find that us Anglicans strongly believe and trust in, it's intercessory prayer. Our parish has a prayer clinic centered in the downtown area where we live and it always has trained intercessors who pray for anybody and its very effective. I've been there myself. You won't find too many other Protestants who use intercessory prayer, especially the way we do. One big difference bewteen us and Catholics though is how each other views Mary.
Understand what protestants, who consider Mary just a woman, would ask us to believe. They ask us to believe, that god, the lord of hosts, purity of purity, would wish to reside in a sinful woman. I feel sorry for protestants. If Mary was born with original sin, Jesus was just a man. The arian heresy reigns. And the jehovah's witnesses are correct.
Mary, full of grace...in greek, is ONE WHO IS PERFECTED BY GRACE. And she was. She was sinless. And by grace, born without original sin.
Luke: Mary: BE IT DONE ACCORDING TO THY WILL. We can trace our salvation to the history of this moment. Eve, also born without original sin, CHOSE SIN. Mary, by her obedience, untied the knot of sin. It is in this sense, the church speaks of her being a mediatrix. But understand this, she, a holy woman, the dream of god, chose. No Mary, no Jesus. No perfect woman, no Jesus.
Sola Christus....Martin Luther..CHRIST ALONE....is the source of Marian rejection, along with sola scriptura. So...why did Jesus create a church at all? Why did he choose men(the apostles). Why would he even need to establish a church if he wished to act alone? Christ wanted our participation.
She is mediatrix in a limited sense. This comes from an early second century bishop. Research it. She is not our savior. It's in a limited sense.
Theotokos....greek....GOD MOTHER. The mother of ALL WHO BELIEVE. If you believe, SHE IS YOUR MOTHER. And motherhood indicates much. Open your heart. God chose to be with us as son of god and son of man. All DAVID KINGS RULED WITH THEIR MOTHERS ON THE THRONE, EVEN IF THEY WERE MARY. If Jesus is king of kings, Mary, our queen, in Rev. 12.
Mary in Luke: FROM NOW ON, EACH GENERATION SHALL CALL ME BLESSED.
One could be blessed by the chair of Moses. And one can be blessed by the church. Or annointed in both. To BE BLESSED, is directly from god. Blessed, means to be set aside for the purpose of god. Therefore, Mary has a role, in purpose, for EACH GENERATION. She is THE MOTHER OF ALL THAT BELIEVE in Rev 12.
The end of rev 11 tells us that suddenly, the ark of the covenant appears in the sky. Then, Rev. 12. Mary appears wearing her crown in the heavenly realm. The old ark was bowed to, revered, and attended to by 30 priests. And it was an object. It was also bowed to. And during the apostles creed, in the mass, we bow at her name.
Never in my whole life did I hear the Catholic Church teaching that Catholics worship the Blessed Mother of Jesus. The Catholic Church teaches that worship is for God alone. The church teaches that in the Ten Commandments, God said "Honor your father and your mother". It follows that Jesus perfectly honors not only His Father in heaven but also his mother. If Jesus is in you, why not honor His mother too.
I think no matter how we feel about the subject we all ought to give some love to Mary. I mean, she is the mother of God? Why shouldn't we call her blessed? I think its ridiculous that everything some Catholics talk about is Mary. However, I also think its ridiculous that a lot of Protestants just hate on Catholics for showing her any attention. She deserves respect and love from both groups. Balance is the key. Let's just love, people!
This Mary the Catholic church has created from their imagination is a Idol and it will cause those who seek her to stumble into eternal damnation. They will protect and defend this idol of worship because the people demand this idol for themselves and the Catholic church merely gives the idolators what they desire to snare them in religious pride and superstition. These same idolators will seek unfamilar spirits of devination because they are not the Children of Light but of Darkness
@JesusNonEnviromental The Mary of the Catholic Church is the mother of Jesus, our Lord and Savior. She is not an idol, because she is not other God, but she is with God now in heaven. She was sent by God to remind us to turn to God, to leave sin and live a holy life, because she said this is the time of grace. If you don't believe it, then it's OK, but you will be all the time living in darkness.
Get your mind off the fact that Mary gave the Son of God the flesh. That focus has been put there by devils, The virgin birth was a miracle to be a sign that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit and not Man. This event was not to glorify in any way the Mother. The focus is the Son, not Mary, The focus is the miracle and that a child is born that will take away the sins of the World. Because of this focus, Mary has falsely become as god and is worshiped and glorified to the damnation of those
Get your mind off the fact that Mary gave the Son of God the flesh. That focus has been put there by devils, The virgin birth was a miracle to be a sign that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit and not Man. This event was not to glorify in any way the Mother. The focus is the Son, not Mary, The focus is the miracle and that a child is born that will take away the sins of the World. Because of this focus, Mary has falsely become as god and is worshiped and glorified to the damnation of those
@JesusNonEnviromental Bravo! We see him as Father, Jesus as Brother-Savior-& of course God, Mary as Mother, our Mother, spiritually, the Saints and those here our brothers and sisters-.devotion to Mary is not required as a Catholic. for those who are drawn to know Christ as a sister or mother would see Him, or to go ask Mom to pray to for us, takes in no way from our Lord-in fact thinking myself as a mother, contemplating on how Mary followed Jesus on the way of the Cross, I experience the pain
@ReDiserio You believe this because you were told this by the Vatican. The Mary you worship and pray to is not taught in scripture so it is the fabrication of Catholic fiction and of devilish idolatry. The Catholic church has you praying to demons because there is no scriptural text from the Word of God to pray to saints, or mary, there is no eucharist in scripture or priest confession, there is no justification for the vatican or the pope. Your jesus is not the biblical Jesus.
@JesusNonEnviromental You are right that we are to glorify God, but you are wrong if you believe we, the Catholics worship our Blessed Mother Mary as God. Our God is the Holy Trinity. The glory of the Blessed Mother Mary is the glory of our God in her, because our God is with her.
@For3nity Sir, you are an idolator and so is the Pope and so are all those who bow to statues in the Catholic church. I have seen your statues and the incense burning which implies that the priest is mediating the prayers of the people. This is all religious idolatry and God will destroy this religion along with the rest of the Idolators because they distort the understanding of God and His will for His people, they seek other gods made of wood and marble and money. Read your bible Please
@JesusNonEnviroment If you believe we are idolaters even though you know that our God is the Holy Trinity, then YOU yourself are the IDOLATER, because your god then is NOT the Holy Trinity, the TRUE God, but a man-made god, your pride. That's in addition to other small false gods that you may have (read Col 3:5 and Eph 5:5). And if you think idol is statue, then you do not understand the Catholic's Book (the bible). Read Ezekiel 14:3-4, 1 King 6:23-35 and Number 21:8. See if you get it.
Although I am not a Biblical scholar I am pretty sure that praying to or through "Mother" Mary is explicitly banned in Deuteronomy 18:11. " or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead "
@jacobholstein You are exactly right. A scholar is a name given by men to other men, you are a saint and able to understand all things pertaining to God and His Will God Bless
Can you believe this catholic guy? Everything he stated was not biblical. In fact he wasn't even sure where the verses he wanted was at. When mr. white had to help him with the verses locations this only confirms that catholics don't even read their own bibles.
This Catholic babbler knows to whom he is speaking, he doesn't use scripture but superstitions and supposed miracles because his followers are superstitious and scripturally illiterate. Those who are Catholic are so because they do not read the scriptures but are attracted to the religious decorations and statues and robes and stained glass and candles and the wafer. Catholics don't lose members because the Word of God is taught. They have no ears to hear it
I believe she had sin. I also believe she was chosen for a reason and not at random from the line of David. G-d doesn't seem to be one who tosses dice. He placed his flesh there when and how it best suited Him.
@For3nity Because Scripture tells us differently. Besides, the dogmas of Mary were not practiced or even recognized in the Early Church for nearly the first 4 centuries of the Church. The Mary of the Bible is totally different from the Mary of Catholic theology. Scary!
@brughser1969 Do Scriptures tell us Mary was with sin? Which verses? The dogmas of Mary were recognized in the Early Church, but not published because not necessary (because they believed). The Mary of the Bible is the Catholic Mary, because the Bible is Catholic Book. It's not scary, but beautiful.
@For3nity Scripture says nothing of Mary being sinless as it does Jesus. St. Paul says That All have fallen short of God's grace and Mary said that she rejoices in God her savior. Pretty obvious to me. Also, Mary isn't even mentioned past the Book of Acts. The Mary of the Catholic church is totally different from that in every way. The Bible also WASN'T written by the RCC of even the Early Church. The Early Church compiled the Scriptures (Carthage and Hippo) both of the Eastern Orthodox.
@brughser1969 The Church stands on the Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition taught by the Teaching Authority (the Magisterium of the Church). The Church came first, then the Bible. The Bible is only part of written Tradition. The Early Church preached the Gospel without the Bible (by words).
2 Thes 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether by WORD, or our epistle.
@For3nity Ok fine, but the Church did NOT come before the Scriptures were written. You seem to lack real reverence for them. I was Catholic for 34 years, I know full well how Catholics are not encouraged to read Scripture and are in some degree detracted from them. When you look at the whole of Catholic doctrine, you can surely and obviously see why.
@brughser1969 The Church did come before the NT Scriptures were written. In the Catholic Mass the scriptures were read more than in other non-catholic christian churches. Psalm, Prophets, Epistles, the Gospel (Luke, Mark, Matthew, John)...all the verses are related to each others. Actually only Catholic Church obeys all the word of God and Jesus commandments. That's why Catholicism actually is the fullness of Christianity. I was more or less like you before I read and learn more about the faith
@brughser1969 Not everything is written in the Bible.
John16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 21:25 Jesus did many other things. If they were all written in books, I don't suppose there would be room enough in the whole world for all the books.
@For3nity I never said that everything there ever was is written in Scripture, BUT that which we practice and hold as doctrine MUST square with Scriptures. In the Catholic religion, we have many things that are not just absent from Scripture, but are also contrary to it. Mary as co-mediatrix and co-redemptrix as Catholics must profess IS contrary to Scripture.
@brughser1969 All of the Catholic doctrines or dogma are biblical, but not all are explicitly written in the bible. And only the Church is able to interpret the verses implicitly, because Jesus promised The Church the Holy Spirit who will guide her to ALL truth. John 16:13 But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming.
@brughser1969 Through her apparitions Our Lady is bringing back many people who had lost the faith. It is happening on a big but quiet scale. Millions are coming back into the Church.
@brughser1969 Have you ever heard of the Immaculate Conception Its strange that the Catholics do not even teach their members the doctrines. Yes, the Vatican states that Mary is sinless and Im sorry that you're in that church to be taught such nonsense which is not found in scripture
Mormonism borrowed this type of doctrine from the Catholics, The idea that mortals become gods, not by the appointment of God but by the election of men. The Catholic church just like the Mormons believe that men and woman become gods by their church government. Their governments declare the pope to be god and mary the protector of believers. Mormons believe all men become gods eventually, the Catholics are much more selective
@quemacha Could happen as Rome's priests are dying of aids at a high percentage.
Report: Priests hit hard by hidden AIDS epidemic
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Comparing the Bible to Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) by former Cardinal Ratzinger - h t t p://hostedDOThomeserverDOTcom/warneveryone/new_catechismDOThtm
@BereanBeacon1 So you base your faith only on the Book of Acts? How about the 4 Gospels? Don't you think that the Book of Acts, the Epistles and the Book of Revelation SHALL agree with the 4 Gospels, and not the other way round? How many times Jesus asked us to eat His flesh and drink His Blood in the Gospel, in order for us to have life and be raised by Him at the last day?
@For3nity You dishonor my Lord Jesus Christ with your affections to the Mary of Rome. Jesus said to ASKED him for what is on your heart and you have broken the first two commandments. You need the FREE GIFT of God.
This is what I have:
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9
@BereanBeacon1 Pls be honest. Who is the Mary of Rome?You know it's the mother of our Lord. Jesus gave her to us from the cross to be our Mother. Why? He wants us to love her; and wants her to love us. And now you are saying to love her is to dishonor our Lord?
If you read the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, you will know all that you mentioned about saved by grace thru faith was taught FIRST by the Church, because the bible is her product, not the other way round. You should thank her.
@For3nity You cannot understand because the Bible says you are spiritually dead and love darkness.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1Corinthians 2:14
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19 My last comment.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Anyway, don't you know that the bible is the Catholic Book?. If you misinterpret the bible, understanding it out of context, then you will see darkness as light, and light as darkness. And if you never eat the flesh of our Lord, He said you have no life in you (you are spiritually dead).
this clown is a Fraud Richard Peter Bennett ... The real Father was R M Bennet .....
From 1971, the parish passed to the Dominicans with Rev. Fathers K. Sheridan, Ronan Cusak and R.M. Bennet serving in that order. Also assisting for short periods during this time were Fathers Cockburn, Duffy and Rivas. The latter is currently serving as Archbishop of St. Lucia. Taken from the Parish web site... what a phony bastard
I think the heart of the guys argument is that God entered the world and reached us through Mary...but does that not mean that the people that first shared the Gospel with us and preached Jesus to us is therefore an 'aqueduct'? I think the whole thing is just...taking a respect for her, way too far.
@masteroftheobvious86 Comparing the Bible to Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) by former Cardinal Ratzinger - h t t p://hostedDOThomeserverDOTcom/warneveryone/new_catechismDOThtm
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15 Which are you on?
Let's venerate Bathsheba, since she leads to Solomon, and leads to Christ - I think not, both Bathsheba and Mary are dead (no assumption necessary), Christ is alive and veneration of anything dead is a sin - Deuteronomy 18:11 - Let's stop necromancing, Mary was blessed, Sarah was blessed, Bathsheba was blessed, Ruth was blessed, Rachel was blessed, etc. etc., but to bring Mary as an equal to Christ is.....plainly wrong
Pious Catholic marriages are a sharing in the graces God showers on them, mediated by the One Priesthood of Christ, which He shares with men on earth, not to lord it over others, but to allow the sharing to be given freely upon heart-felt conviction of offenses to GOD first. To whom do Protestant men confess their sins when they abuse their wives? God alone?...well and good. Now tell that to your wife. She will not love you for saying that. She may fear you. But she will not love you.
Protestant men can only appeal to Sacred Scripture to form their views on the man/woman relationship., which is why the only way a Protestant man can maintain headship over the woman is to appeal to Eph 5, and then he "Lords it over the woman". Add birth control into that scenario and you have the worst form of spousal abuse; there's nothing worse than bad religion. There is no trap so secure as the ones we set for ourselves.Christians divorce at the same rate as non-Christians; scandalous !
Love wills the highest and best good for the sake of the beloved. It is obvious that western man has had no concern for the highest and best good for western woman because artificial contraception has become legalized, thus turning the culture into a "free-sex zone". Protestants say AC is sensible, neutral; this is delusional. The only word that will make a western man blush is the word "virgin". How many Protestant men value virginity in their prospective mates? We get the wives we deserve.
Mr White assigns "passivity" to Mary's consent to impregnation by the HolySpirit, but he is living in a culture that assigns aggression as the highest end for womanhood. Proof: a woman who is on birth-control is preparing her body to be aggressively used as a passive instrument by any man, consensually or not, and no one publicly acknowleges this reality. Because they would be called misogynist, not PC. Mary was a perpetual virgin; this is the one statement that enrages Protestant and Satanists.
The most obvious sign that the overthrow of womanhood's best and highest end is nearly complete is the controversy over artificial contraception and the morning after pill. No Marian-inspired woman would want that for herself, no matter the possibilities that exist in this sex-charged, impious culture. As proof of this impiety one need only look below,and see the reference to "the Jewish minx". Pious men and pious women protect one another from the unholy, impious western minds such as these.
It seems obvious to me that modern western minds divorced from Marian piety have become unhinged from the reality of the true beauty of womanhood; even the most casual observer can notice this. And it would also be obvious to the intellectually honest historian that the cause of this separation from true femininity is due to Protestant resistance to Marian piety. Mary was able to consent to the Incarnation because of a piety that was based on a pure understanding of the man/woman relationship.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15
A jewish minx impregnated by an angel. Come on people. Don’t be delusional fools all your lives. Please start thinking critically and ditch this superstition.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them..." —Exodus 20:4,5
@MrFabregas1987 Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is IDOLATRY.
You had better be careful with that kind of idolatry, rather than worry with Catholic ART.
"...This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" —Mark 7:6-7
@MrFabregas1987 "...This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" —Mark 7:6-7"
AMEN. The Catholic Church was founded by Christ Jesus....and the only Apostolic Church. The rest were founded by man.
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." —1st Timothy 4:1-3
I'm afraid that the departing was done far before Luther or Calvin, and that they were simply 'reforming' the Gospel to its original unperverted form as found in the New Testament and without interference of Catholic tradition. I think it is the Church of Rome that has to answer to the charge of departing and not the Protestant Reformation
@masteroftheobvious86 Catholic tradition is Apostolic Tradition. Read the writings of the Early Church Fathers and you will see the teaching was Catholic. Also the Church is One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and still the same for almost 2000 yrs as promised by Jesus that no gates of hell shall prevail against her. The reformation was just a rebellion against the Church, and consequently against Jesus with the heretical teaching that was very different with the Early Church's / Fathers' teaching.
The same for 2000 years? Is that why various councils have been held to change different doctrines, and the Pope in his office of Apostle can utter new dogmas and doctrines with apostolic authority?
If you go even further back from the teaching of the Early Church Fathers, you'll encounter two fellows called Paul and Jesus, who preached something almost entirely like what is known as Reformed theology today. It's the Reformation. Get with it.
@masteroftheobvious86 Nope...the teaching of St. Paul and our Lord Jesus is to live a sinless life, carry the cross daily, and always try to grow in holiness and be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect. Reformed theology is: you may sin thousand times a night and yet you are saved....VERY DIFFERENT.
@Petitegirl90 If you knew the faith, you would never leave the Church. Go to EWTN and find the Journey Home. See how many fallen Catholics have returned back home to their beloved Church founded by Jesus. May you find your way back home . God Bless :)
@For3nity I respect your opinion but I cannot sorry. I don't believe in praying to anyone other than my Lord Jesus Christ!! I trust the bible more than traditions.. I was raised as a devout catholic and I know what they believe.
@Petitegirl90 The Church is the pillar and ground of truth (1 Tim 3:15). The bible is the product of the Church. The bible (the NT) is part of written Tradition. Biblically we are to hold the Tradition ( 2 Thes 2:15). So if you trust the bible actually you trust the Tradition and the Church. And thank you for that :)
@For3nity Yes I do believe that we are to practice the traditions the apostles taught. I am not against Roman Catholics all together yes you guys did perserve the scriptures but unfortunately they were kept away from people s. Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity and in the Resurrection of our Lord and Savior. The part that goes wrong for me is the praying to Marry and the Saints , Selling indulgences and stuff like that.it just seems like a distraction from our Lord.
@Petitegirl90 The scriptures were never kept away from the Catholics. When you attend the mass, you know that there are always readings on OT/prophets' , Psalm, the Epistles and the Gospel where all four are related one another. And nowadays of course you are free to have / buy the scriptures (the bible). In the past, since thee were so many "fake" scriptures, the Church tried her best to make sure only the "true" one was read by the believers; and the best way was: read by the Church.
@Petitegirl90 What's wrong with praying to Mary and the Saints. They're the good examples of how to love Jesus and worship God. We pray/talk to them because of their great relationship with God. We honor and love them because of their great virtues, and when we did that, we would be "motivated" to imitate their virtues that we value so much. And the most important is that we ask them to pray for us in addition - of course - to our direct prayer to God. God knows our heart that we love Him first
@Petitegirl90 And I was never offered to buy indulgences, because it just never happen now :)
Although the Church is holy because she is sanctified in Christ Jesus, there are of course sinners who disgrace the Lords. So we are not to misidentify the Holy Church as the sinners just because of "some" mistakes done by "some" sinners.
@For3nity Yeah but before the reformation happened mass was done in Latin so only the people who spoke latin could understand, and when people tried to translate the bible into English, they were killed,at least that was history says it could have been different I wasn't there. I do somewhat believe in the real presence of Christ in communion in the sense that when believers gather together his presense is with us. I also realize their is a difference between catholics and roman catholics.
CCC830 The word "catholic" means "universal," in the sense of "according to the totality" or "in keeping with the whole." the Church is catholic in a double sense: First, the Church is catholic because Christ is present in her. "Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church." (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Smyrn. 8, 2: Apostolic Fathers, II/2, 311).
831 Secondly, the Church is catholic because she has been sent out by Christ on a mission to the whole of the human race (Cf. Mt 28:19)
@Petitegirl90 For the issue regarding the bible, I would recommend you to learn the history of the bible. Google: "Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church"
or open the following link (remove all spaces)
ww w. catholicapologetics. info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible. htm
There you will find out why the Church did what she did. And how she tried her best only to have the true believers taught in the true words of God, and not to have the fake sources of the scriptures.
@Petitegirl90 About Christ real presence, it's so clearly written in the bible: John 6:35-71, Mat 26:26-28, Mk 14:22,24, Luke 22:19-20, 1 Cor 10:16-17, 11:23-29. St. Ignatius of Antioch in the year 110 AD defending the real substantial presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, he wrote, "they (the heretics) abstain from Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist IS the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ...Letter to Smyrnaeans.
@For3nity That is a very misunderstood and misinterpreted writing from Ignatius so are those scripture passages, I would be more than happy to type out the context in which he was speaking and send it in a message to you if you are willing to read it if not that is fine.I used to think the exact same thing but then I read it without making assumptions about what I had been taught growing up.Oh and I didn't watch the video yet but I will be sure to thanks
@Petitegirl90 Pls refer to ww w. ourcatholicfaith. org/churchhistory. html (remove all spaces) to have an idea of the Church history. You can see there where St. Ignatius was. For the Eucharist itself, I would suggest you read ww w. therealpresence. org/eucharst/a. html (remove all spaces). God Bless ...
@Petitegirl90 You are in complete error. The Mass was said in Latin until the second Vatican council. The clergy taught the laity what the Latin meant, and the Homily (Sermon) was said in vernacular.
'people tried to translate the bible into English, they were killed'
Completely incorrect. Heretics translated the Bible while changing various scriptures to support their own doctrines. These were condemned and burned by the Church.
@assasincomed Ok I'm not denying that the Church burned these "heretics" but I was just stating that people since these heretics were burned have translated the bible and it shows that they weren't changing or trying to support their own doctrines because all the translations even the catholic agree with each other. I don't wish to argue any more so I'm not going to be commenting for the sake of peace
@Petitegirl90 No, the Bible's they translated often had intentional errors to support their own doctrines. Emphasis added or removed, words changed or books moved about, etc. That's why the Church burned heretical Bibles.
I do also read from some early church fathers, which reassure me of the truth as well so I don't just read the bible. I am not suggesting that Catholics aren't saved, if they are trusting in their works and not in Jesus then yes they aren't. But if you are trusting in Jesus and your faith is producing good works then that is a different story
@Petitegirl90 If you did read the writings of the Early Church Fathers you should have seen that the Church back then was Catholic, with the center of worship was Jesus real presence in the Eucharist. I would suggest you also read the writings of the Catholic Saints, and see how they love God and Jesus.
@masteroftheobvious86 Yes, it's the same for almost 2000 yrs with the center of worship: Jesus' real presence in the Eucharist and salvation thru Jesus.
@masteroftheobvious86 Various councils have proclaimed new Doctrines, which were always believed, because they were challenged with rampant heresy. Take the Divinity of Christ for example, always believed, wasn't a doctrine until it was challenged by the Arian Heresy. The reformation ripped up all beliefs stated by the Apostolic and Church fathers and changed the interpretation of Scripture to justify their own heretical belief. The Church's doctrines have never changed, only better understood.
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" -Isaiah 5:20
@MrFabregas1987 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" -Isaiah 5:20"
AMEN. The true light of Christ is found only in His True Church. But many didn't see it.
John 17:22. And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one..
Rom 8:17 Since we are his children, we will possess the blessings he keeps for his people, and we will also possess with Christ what God has kept for him; for if we share Christ's suffering, we will also share his glory.
@John Contradict myself? Every time we commemorate and make present His sacrifice thru the Eucharist we see in our spirit how Jesus suffered for us at the cross as if we were there with Him at Calvary. If you cannot understand that it's because you are still in the flesh and not living by faith but by sight.
@John316 It's finished? Christ suffering's finished. Now it's our turn to follow Him and carry our cross upto Calvary. Don't stop at Bethlehem only. Don't stop at accepting Christ as our savior only. Don't stop at calling upon His name only, because Jesus said not all that call Me LordLord will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but those who do the will of My Father. And don't stop having faith only as baby Christians that can digest only milk. The mature one needs solid food (St.Paul)
@John "If Christ was refering to the literal bread as His body, then why didn't they nail the literal bread to the cross? They didn't. They nailed His real body to the cross"
That's the point. He was speaking the bread as His spiritual body that will be beneficial for our spirit...and will give us "spiritual" life. When we believe and accept His spiritual body in faith He will be in us and we will be in the Father as He promised.
@For3nity When Christ said..."this is my body which is given for you" at that supper, who do you suppose the 'you' are? If He was speaking literally, then He was refering to those in the room, not you or me. You and I and anyone else alive today weren't there. So we are not included in the 'you'. So the literal bread being His body is for those who were literally there at that moment.
@johnthreesixteen316 Your argument is the same with kiwi regarding accepting Mary as our mother when Jesus gave her to His beloved disciple John from the cross. If you believe so, why bother or why believing the other verses in the bible, because all those verses are not directly meant for you.
@For3nity Hello friend. I know Christ was speaking about all of us when He said "you" because He was speaking figuratively when He said it. And He was speaking figuratively regarding the bread as well. You need to accept the real sacrifice Christ made for you on that cross, not the graven image in the form of wafer. Rev. 17:4 "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND FULL OF ABOMINATIONS..."
@johnthreesixteen316 Don't you know that the Eucharist is actually to make present Christ sacrifice on the cross so that His once for all sacrifice is to be forever valid for us as present now as it was almost 2000 yrs ago? It's the Catholic Church who always accept and remember Jesus sacrifice for us....thru the Eucharist. So rejecting that you are indirectly rejecting His sacrifice. Why doing that John?
@For3nity My dear friend. It's funny how the Vatican doesn't listen to the words of Peter himself......1 Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath ONCE SUFFERED FOR SINS, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit." The eucharist is pointless. Christ said "it is FINISHED."
@For3nity Hello friend. You've just contradicted yourself. How can repeating the eucharist every week make Christ's ONCE FOR ALL sacrifice forever valid? ONCE means ONCE, not millions of times every week around the world. What part of ONCE do you not understand? Roman Catholicism is in complete denial of this ONE TIME FOR ALL sacrifice. It would be nice if the Vatican would listen to scripture just ONCE.
belive me mary is very very angry how would you like it if someone crusified your son...get real
aztec714ok 1 week ago
i am no longer a roman catholic but i know it very well for many years so do my ancestors.the protestants changed the bible to their own liking to what they wish it would have said..
aztec714ok 1 week ago
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As the first woman (Eve), by whom came sin, was made of a man without a woman; so the Man by whom sin was done away, was made of a woman(The Blessed Virgin Mary) without a man. By the first we fell, by the other we rise.
For those who have ears, listen
Catholic710 1 week ago
How many prayers can Mary hear at one time, being she isn't God ? God can be everywhere at the same time to hear our prayers. Mary must be confused with so many prayers coming to her. How does she decide which one to listen too.
MrACJ278 2 weeks ago
Jesus asked us to love one another as Jesus loved us, Jesus worshiped the people so much, He died for them, there is not greater offering, than one's life given for another , so that if we do love one another as Jesus loves us, there is no greater worship that is then to be given to all the people , including Mary , or any of the Saints. To love Mary is equal to loving Jesus, since loving Mary is obeying Jesus' command. Worship ,Honor, Love, etc, does not have levels of decrees, .
CarmineFragione 2 weeks ago
This guy defending the Catholic faith is ignorant!!
yoursola 3 weeks ago
When stuck, simply read the text in Latin to bolster your position. Lame.
uv777gr 1 month ago
Protestant dominated this debate. Dr. Fastiggi really had nothing except that the Catholic church developed the dogma, and it therefore must be believed or you are anathema.
uv777gr 1 month ago
I like these guys both, at times I don't like Dr. Whites approach. And I am a Protestant, it's a really good debate. The dude in the middle is a party animal!!!
bodom71 1 month ago
This idiot would have had his clock cleaned if Peter Ruckman were defending the word of God! James White does not do as good a job!
RainhadoCanto11 2 months ago
What does the Bible teach? oh, thats right, the Roman Catholic church, is above the Bible, i forgot. I really think Dr. Fastiggi is mentally ill.
torvasal1 2 months ago
We view Mary as foremost of all the saints in Heaven unlike most all other Protestants. I think the biggest difference between us and Rome is what we would Not attribute to Mary or anybody else other than God.
brughser1969 2 months ago
Catholics have no leg to stand on, Mary wasn't mentioned in a single Apostolic letter, not one. But yet past popes have invoked her countlessly in prayers and statements. You can't have it both ways. To say merely that not everything is contained in the Bible doesn't even come close to cutting it. They can't show any parallel to Scripture from the popes nor their deep honor (borderline worship) of Mary nor the ridiculous unfounded claims of Purgatory.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughs2Maccabees12:43-46 He then took up a collection among all his soldiers to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted inasmuch as he had the resurrection in mind; for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been foolish to pray for the dead. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be absolved from their sin.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity As an Anglican and in adhereance to the 39 articles of religion, I do not accept 2Maccabees or any other apocryphical writing as authoritative Scripture. Even St. Jerome at the time of the completion of the Vulgate did not recommend that the apocrypha be included with Scripture. We do read from these books when they come up in the lectionary mostly for historical information, but we do not call them the inspired Word of God because they are not.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969
Episcopal parish in Bladensburg converts to Roman Catholic Church
htt p://ww w.washingtonpost. com/local/episcopal-parish-in-bladensburg-converts-to-roman-catholic-church/2011/10/09/gIQACMAfYL_story. html ==> remove all spaces.
For3nity 2 months ago
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@brughser1969 Mat 12:31-32 Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be FORGIVEN, either in this age or IN THE AGE TO COME.
For3nity 2 months ago
@brughser1969 Mary were mentioned in all important events in Jesus life and ministry. Annunciation by the angel Gabriel,Jesus birth, the presentation of Jesus in the temple, Jesus missing for 3 days, His 1st miracle at wedding at Cana, when He was teaching, during His passion on the cross, after the ascension of Jesus into heaven, during the pentecost. And I gave you the link of Mary&the Early Church Fathers htt p: //ww w. americancatholictruthsociety. com/docs/ecf_mary. htm (remove all spaces).
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity You cannot take a few Scriptures that mention Mary and make a complete doctrine that elevates her to divinity. I don't buy it.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 We did not elevate Mary to divinity. We love and honor her because her son Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity I think that's very debatable given the prayers of past popes and declarations by the Roman church.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 Which prayers and which declarations?
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity The ones that raise Mary to parallel Jesus. There are several.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 Such as?
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity Such as all the papal statements and prayers and all of the theology that elevates Mary beyond sainthood. Such as co redeeming with Christ. Also the prayers that refer to having altars to Mary and asking Mary to do things for us beyond intercession. There are many. Pope Pius XII etc.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 About "scriptural" Mary this site may help you, pls take a look ==> htt p://ww w.scripturecatholic. com/blessed_virgin_mary. html (remove all spaces)
For other "scriptural" doctrines, just go to htt p://ww w.scripturecatholic. com
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity I don' know if I told you, but I am an ex-cradle Catholic. For years, I went to mass every Sunday and almost every holy day of obligation. I went to Adorations, Rosaries and Catholic men's groups and studies. I studied the RCC as well as practiced. I never felt even remotely close to Jesus at any time. I never once was convinced that Mary was anything like Catholics claim she is no matter what Catholic literature I read. I left in 2004 and became Anglican. I never looked back.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 I am a cradle Catholic too. I was at your stage before, but now Jesus is so real in the Catholic Church with His real presence in the Eucharist. As for Mary, try read The Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda of Jesus. It's a great book and available online.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity I appreciate your concern. In the time that I have been an Anglican, I now almost feel like I have been Anglican my whole life. I know Jesus and I feel so very close to him as well as St. Mary and all the saints in heaven during the Eucharist and especially during the Sanctus. I realize that Rome does not recognize our Communion as valid and that's fine. I found Christ in daily prayer, through everyday Scripture reading and studying, but mostly by knowing his true saving grace.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 It's good if now you have a close relationship with Christ and all the Saints, including the greatest Saint, our Blessed Mother Mary. I feel the same now in the Catholic Church. But to tell you the truth, I can still see you as a true product of Catholic Church: nice, humble, gentle and good. May God always bless you. Amen.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity Thank you for the kind words. I see myself as a product of Christ's. I can't do anything on my own.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ. So sure, we are all the product of Christ. Let's keep loving one another as Jesus has loved us. Let's always be the light and the salt of the world. Christ Jesus will be always our ONE mediator between God and man in the context as written in Hebrew 9:13-15. The Saints mediate between God and man the same if you pray for me, or the saints pray for St. Paul (Philipians1:19). God bless you. BTW, I love the 100 Funny Falls :-)
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity If there's one thing you'll find that us Anglicans strongly believe and trust in, it's intercessory prayer. Our parish has a prayer clinic centered in the downtown area where we live and it always has trained intercessors who pray for anybody and its very effective. I've been there myself. You won't find too many other Protestants who use intercessory prayer, especially the way we do. One big difference bewteen us and Catholics though is how each other views Mary.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 How do you view Mary?
For3nity 2 months ago
Understand what protestants, who consider Mary just a woman, would ask us to believe. They ask us to believe, that god, the lord of hosts, purity of purity, would wish to reside in a sinful woman. I feel sorry for protestants. If Mary was born with original sin, Jesus was just a man. The arian heresy reigns. And the jehovah's witnesses are correct.
Mary, full of grace...in greek, is ONE WHO IS PERFECTED BY GRACE. And she was. She was sinless. And by grace, born without original sin.
rbmMan2 3 months ago
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@rbmMan2 don't feel sorry for me! :)
brughser1969 2 months ago
Luke: Mary: BE IT DONE ACCORDING TO THY WILL. We can trace our salvation to the history of this moment. Eve, also born without original sin, CHOSE SIN. Mary, by her obedience, untied the knot of sin. It is in this sense, the church speaks of her being a mediatrix. But understand this, she, a holy woman, the dream of god, chose. No Mary, no Jesus. No perfect woman, no Jesus.
rbmMan2 3 months ago
Sola Christus....Martin Luther..CHRIST ALONE....is the source of Marian rejection, along with sola scriptura. So...why did Jesus create a church at all? Why did he choose men(the apostles). Why would he even need to establish a church if he wished to act alone? Christ wanted our participation.
She is mediatrix in a limited sense. This comes from an early second century bishop. Research it. She is not our savior. It's in a limited sense.
rbmMan2 3 months ago
Theotokos....greek....GOD MOTHER. The mother of ALL WHO BELIEVE. If you believe, SHE IS YOUR MOTHER. And motherhood indicates much. Open your heart. God chose to be with us as son of god and son of man. All DAVID KINGS RULED WITH THEIR MOTHERS ON THE THRONE, EVEN IF THEY WERE MARY. If Jesus is king of kings, Mary, our queen, in Rev. 12.
rbmMan2 3 months ago
Mary in Luke: FROM NOW ON, EACH GENERATION SHALL CALL ME BLESSED.
One could be blessed by the chair of Moses. And one can be blessed by the church. Or annointed in both. To BE BLESSED, is directly from god. Blessed, means to be set aside for the purpose of god. Therefore, Mary has a role, in purpose, for EACH GENERATION. She is THE MOTHER OF ALL THAT BELIEVE in Rev 12.
rbmMan2 3 months ago
The end of rev 11 tells us that suddenly, the ark of the covenant appears in the sky. Then, Rev. 12. Mary appears wearing her crown in the heavenly realm. The old ark was bowed to, revered, and attended to by 30 priests. And it was an object. It was also bowed to. And during the apostles creed, in the mass, we bow at her name.
rbmMan2 3 months ago
Never in my whole life did I hear the Catholic Church teaching that Catholics worship the Blessed Mother of Jesus. The Catholic Church teaches that worship is for God alone. The church teaches that in the Ten Commandments, God said "Honor your father and your mother". It follows that Jesus perfectly honors not only His Father in heaven but also his mother. If Jesus is in you, why not honor His mother too.
emajawjaw 4 months ago
I think no matter how we feel about the subject we all ought to give some love to Mary. I mean, she is the mother of God? Why shouldn't we call her blessed? I think its ridiculous that everything some Catholics talk about is Mary. However, I also think its ridiculous that a lot of Protestants just hate on Catholics for showing her any attention. She deserves respect and love from both groups. Balance is the key. Let's just love, people!
ACEWilly08golf 4 months ago
This Mary the Catholic church has created from their imagination is a Idol and it will cause those who seek her to stumble into eternal damnation. They will protect and defend this idol of worship because the people demand this idol for themselves and the Catholic church merely gives the idolators what they desire to snare them in religious pride and superstition. These same idolators will seek unfamilar spirits of devination because they are not the Children of Light but of Darkness
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental The Mary of the Catholic Church is the mother of Jesus, our Lord and Savior. She is not an idol, because she is not other God, but she is with God now in heaven. She was sent by God to remind us to turn to God, to leave sin and live a holy life, because she said this is the time of grace. If you don't believe it, then it's OK, but you will be all the time living in darkness.
For3nity 4 months ago
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Get your mind off the fact that Mary gave the Son of God the flesh. That focus has been put there by devils, The virgin birth was a miracle to be a sign that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit and not Man. This event was not to glorify in any way the Mother. The focus is the Son, not Mary, The focus is the miracle and that a child is born that will take away the sins of the World. Because of this focus, Mary has falsely become as god and is worshiped and glorified to the damnation of those
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
Get your mind off the fact that Mary gave the Son of God the flesh. That focus has been put there by devils, The virgin birth was a miracle to be a sign that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit and not Man. This event was not to glorify in any way the Mother. The focus is the Son, not Mary, The focus is the miracle and that a child is born that will take away the sins of the World. Because of this focus, Mary has falsely become as god and is worshiped and glorified to the damnation of those
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Bravo! We see him as Father, Jesus as Brother-Savior-& of course God, Mary as Mother, our Mother, spiritually, the Saints and those here our brothers and sisters-.devotion to Mary is not required as a Catholic. for those who are drawn to know Christ as a sister or mother would see Him, or to go ask Mom to pray to for us, takes in no way from our Lord-in fact thinking myself as a mother, contemplating on how Mary followed Jesus on the way of the Cross, I experience the pain
ReDiserio 4 months ago
@ReDiserio You believe this because you were told this by the Vatican. The Mary you worship and pray to is not taught in scripture so it is the fabrication of Catholic fiction and of devilish idolatry. The Catholic church has you praying to demons because there is no scriptural text from the Word of God to pray to saints, or mary, there is no eucharist in scripture or priest confession, there is no justification for the vatican or the pope. Your jesus is not the biblical Jesus.
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental You are right that we are to glorify God, but you are wrong if you believe we, the Catholics worship our Blessed Mother Mary as God. Our God is the Holy Trinity. The glory of the Blessed Mother Mary is the glory of our God in her, because our God is with her.
For3nity 4 months ago
@For3nity Sir, you are an idolator and so is the Pope and so are all those who bow to statues in the Catholic church. I have seen your statues and the incense burning which implies that the priest is mediating the prayers of the people. This is all religious idolatry and God will destroy this religion along with the rest of the Idolators because they distort the understanding of God and His will for His people, they seek other gods made of wood and marble and money. Read your bible Please
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviroment If you believe we are idolaters even though you know that our God is the Holy Trinity, then YOU yourself are the IDOLATER, because your god then is NOT the Holy Trinity, the TRUE God, but a man-made god, your pride. That's in addition to other small false gods that you may have (read Col 3:5 and Eph 5:5). And if you think idol is statue, then you do not understand the Catholic's Book (the bible). Read Ezekiel 14:3-4, 1 King 6:23-35 and Number 21:8. See if you get it.
For3nity 4 months ago
Although I am not a Biblical scholar I am pretty sure that praying to or through "Mother" Mary is explicitly banned in Deuteronomy 18:11. " or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead "
jacobholstein 4 months ago
@jacobholstein You are exactly right. A scholar is a name given by men to other men, you are a saint and able to understand all things pertaining to God and His Will God Bless
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
Can you believe this catholic guy? Everything he stated was not biblical. In fact he wasn't even sure where the verses he wanted was at. When mr. white had to help him with the verses locations this only confirms that catholics don't even read their own bibles.
onemarktwoyou 4 months ago
This Catholic babbler knows to whom he is speaking, he doesn't use scripture but superstitions and supposed miracles because his followers are superstitious and scripturally illiterate. Those who are Catholic are so because they do not read the scriptures but are attracted to the religious decorations and statues and robes and stained glass and candles and the wafer. Catholics don't lose members because the Word of God is taught. They have no ears to hear it
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
Mary was a sinner, who was chosen because she was of the lineage of David. She was chosen unconditionally and without merit.
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental
I believe she had sin. I also believe she was chosen for a reason and not at random from the line of David. G-d doesn't seem to be one who tosses dice. He placed his flesh there when and how it best suited Him.
onemarktwoyou 4 months ago
@JesusNonEnviromental Mary was NOT without sin. Catholics do not teach Biblically.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 How do you know?
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity Because Scripture tells us differently. Besides, the dogmas of Mary were not practiced or even recognized in the Early Church for nearly the first 4 centuries of the Church. The Mary of the Bible is totally different from the Mary of Catholic theology. Scary!
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 Do Scriptures tell us Mary was with sin? Which verses? The dogmas of Mary were recognized in the Early Church, but not published because not necessary (because they believed). The Mary of the Bible is the Catholic Mary, because the Bible is Catholic Book. It's not scary, but beautiful.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity Scripture says nothing of Mary being sinless as it does Jesus. St. Paul says That All have fallen short of God's grace and Mary said that she rejoices in God her savior. Pretty obvious to me. Also, Mary isn't even mentioned past the Book of Acts. The Mary of the Catholic church is totally different from that in every way. The Bible also WASN'T written by the RCC of even the Early Church. The Early Church compiled the Scriptures (Carthage and Hippo) both of the Eastern Orthodox.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 Mary and the Early Church Fathers ==> htt p: //ww w. americancatholictruthsociety. com/docs/ecf_mary. htm (remove all spaces).
History of the Catholic Church ==> htt p: //ww w. ourcatholicfaith. org/churchhistory. html
Where we got the Bible: our debt to the Catholic Church ==> htt p: //ww w. catholicapologetics. info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible. htm
Mary is sinless because she is the new Eve, she is the Ark of Covenant and because Jesus is sinless.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity Can you show me where that is in Scripture??
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 The Church stands on the Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition taught by the Teaching Authority (the Magisterium of the Church). The Church came first, then the Bible. The Bible is only part of written Tradition. The Early Church preached the Gospel without the Bible (by words).
2 Thes 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the TRADITIONS which ye have been taught, whether by WORD, or our epistle.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity Ok fine, but the Church did NOT come before the Scriptures were written. You seem to lack real reverence for them. I was Catholic for 34 years, I know full well how Catholics are not encouraged to read Scripture and are in some degree detracted from them. When you look at the whole of Catholic doctrine, you can surely and obviously see why.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 The Church did come before the NT Scriptures were written. In the Catholic Mass the scriptures were read more than in other non-catholic christian churches. Psalm, Prophets, Epistles, the Gospel (Luke, Mark, Matthew, John)...all the verses are related to each others. Actually only Catholic Church obeys all the word of God and Jesus commandments. That's why Catholicism actually is the fullness of Christianity. I was more or less like you before I read and learn more about the faith
For3nity 2 months ago
@brughser1969 Not everything is written in the Bible.
John16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 21:25 Jesus did many other things. If they were all written in books, I don't suppose there would be room enough in the whole world for all the books.
For3nity 2 months ago
@For3nity I never said that everything there ever was is written in Scripture, BUT that which we practice and hold as doctrine MUST square with Scriptures. In the Catholic religion, we have many things that are not just absent from Scripture, but are also contrary to it. Mary as co-mediatrix and co-redemptrix as Catholics must profess IS contrary to Scripture.
brughser1969 2 months ago
@brughser1969 All of the Catholic doctrines or dogma are biblical, but not all are explicitly written in the bible. And only the Church is able to interpret the verses implicitly, because Jesus promised The Church the Holy Spirit who will guide her to ALL truth. John 16:13 But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming.
For3nity 2 months ago
@brughser1969 Through her apparitions Our Lady is bringing back many people who had lost the faith. It is happening on a big but quiet scale. Millions are coming back into the Church.
htt p://ww w. youtube. com/watch?v=cwbzlG61wMI
For3nity 2 months ago
@brughser1969 Have you ever heard of the Immaculate Conception Its strange that the Catholics do not even teach their members the doctrines. Yes, the Vatican states that Mary is sinless and Im sorry that you're in that church to be taught such nonsense which is not found in scripture
JesusNonEnviromental 2 months ago
Mormonism borrowed this type of doctrine from the Catholics, The idea that mortals become gods, not by the appointment of God but by the election of men. The Catholic church just like the Mormons believe that men and woman become gods by their church government. Their governments declare the pope to be god and mary the protector of believers. Mormons believe all men become gods eventually, the Catholics are much more selective
JesusNonEnviromental 4 months ago
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Petitegirl90 5 months ago
What I don't understand is how can Mary be co-redeemer when the Catholic church doesn't even allow women to be priests?
quemacha 5 months ago
@quemacha Could happen as Rome's priests are dying of aids at a high percentage.
Report: Priests hit hard by hidden AIDS epidemic
h t t p://w w wDOTactupnyDOTorg/YELL/catholicpriests.html
Comparing the Bible to Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) by former Cardinal Ratzinger - h t t p://hostedDOThomeserverDOTcom/warneveryone/new_catechismDOThtm
BereanBeacon1 5 months ago
@quemacha Where is the Eucharist in the Book of Acts?
h t t p://w w wDOTyoutubeDOTcom/watch?v=36_2vhvUMGM
What Every Catholic Should Know - w w wdotyoutubedotcom/view_play_list?p=E1CB721E3CA65D76
Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, by Charles Chiniqu
w w wdot.biblebelieversdotcom/chiniquy/
BereanBeacon1 5 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 So you base your faith only on the Book of Acts? How about the 4 Gospels? Don't you think that the Book of Acts, the Epistles and the Book of Revelation SHALL agree with the 4 Gospels, and not the other way round? How many times Jesus asked us to eat His flesh and drink His Blood in the Gospel, in order for us to have life and be raised by Him at the last day?
Related verses to Eucharist: John 6:35-71, Mat 26:26-28, Mk 14:22,24, Luke 22:19-20, 1 Cor 10:16-17, 11:23-29
For3nity 5 months ago
@quemacha Are you saying all the priests are co-redeemer?
For3nity 5 months ago
@Damianbluecloud Mary of Rome is the same whore described in the book of Jeremiah. You dishonor the Lord Jesus Christ.
BereanBeacon1 5 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 Mary of Rome is the Holy Mother of our Lord. It's just so evil to call her whore.
For3nity 5 months ago
@For3nity You dishonor my Lord Jesus Christ with your affections to the Mary of Rome. Jesus said to ASKED him for what is on your heart and you have broken the first two commandments. You need the FREE GIFT of God.
This is what I have:
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8,9
BereanBeacon1 5 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 Pls be honest. Who is the Mary of Rome?You know it's the mother of our Lord. Jesus gave her to us from the cross to be our Mother. Why? He wants us to love her; and wants her to love us. And now you are saying to love her is to dishonor our Lord?
If you read the Cathechism of the Catholic Church, you will know all that you mentioned about saved by grace thru faith was taught FIRST by the Church, because the bible is her product, not the other way round. You should thank her.
For3nity 5 months ago
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@For3nity You cannot understand because the Bible says you are spiritually dead and love darkness.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1Corinthians 2:14
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19 My last comment.
BereanBeacon1 5 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 I love to be a Publican, not a Pharisee.
Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner.
Mat 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
Anyway, don't you know that the bible is the Catholic Book?. If you misinterpret the bible, understanding it out of context, then you will see darkness as light, and light as darkness. And if you never eat the flesh of our Lord, He said you have no life in you (you are spiritually dead).
For3nity 5 months ago
Pearl Trees Of Life [a vast Biblical resource tool]:
[3w dot] pearltrees [dot com] [forwardslash] awhn
AWHNNOH 7 months ago
Are you sure it's the same for 2000years? I will only listen from The Holy Bible, no other book pls!
KevinR3i 7 months ago
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this clown is a Fraud Richard Peter Bennett ... The real Father was R M Bennet .....
From 1971, the parish passed to the Dominicans with Rev. Fathers K. Sheridan, Ronan Cusak and R.M. Bennet serving in that order. Also assisting for short periods during this time were Fathers Cockburn, Duffy and Rivas. The latter is currently serving as Archbishop of St. Lucia. Taken from the Parish web site... what a phony bastard
martlut 7 months ago
I think the heart of the guys argument is that God entered the world and reached us through Mary...but does that not mean that the people that first shared the Gospel with us and preached Jesus to us is therefore an 'aqueduct'? I think the whole thing is just...taking a respect for her, way too far.
masteroftheobvious86 7 months ago
@masteroftheobvious86 Comparing the Bible to Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) by former Cardinal Ratzinger - h t t p://hostedDOThomeserverDOTcom/warneveryone/new_catechismDOThtm
BereanBeacon1 7 months ago
@BereanBeacon1
Thanks for that link, I found it very interesting, if not a lot disturbing
masteroftheobvious86 7 months ago
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For anyone who desires the truth, please check out the scribd website that is listed on my channel.
DreamsofMajesty 7 months ago
luke 1:28 if angels hail her and god favors her than what makes heretics better
luke 1:43 she is the mother of God
john 19:26-27 if jesus told his disciple she is his mother and we are followers of christ than she is our mother as well
revelation 12:1 she was seen in heaven so she must be with god
gangstanikes 8 months ago
@gangstanikes God has no mother. Please read the book of Acts and find the Eucharist or the sacraments.
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
@BereanBeacon1 please read luke 1 43...if you deny that christ is the lord you are lost
gangstanikes 8 months ago
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@gangstanikes Who are the many? Who are few?
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15 Which are you on?
BereanBeacon1 8 months ago
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Let's venerate Bathsheba, since she leads to Solomon, and leads to Christ - I think not, both Bathsheba and Mary are dead (no assumption necessary), Christ is alive and veneration of anything dead is a sin - Deuteronomy 18:11 - Let's stop necromancing, Mary was blessed, Sarah was blessed, Bathsheba was blessed, Ruth was blessed, Rachel was blessed, etc. etc., but to bring Mary as an equal to Christ is.....plainly wrong
BCRobot 8 months ago
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BCRobot 8 months ago
Pious Catholic marriages are a sharing in the graces God showers on them, mediated by the One Priesthood of Christ, which He shares with men on earth, not to lord it over others, but to allow the sharing to be given freely upon heart-felt conviction of offenses to GOD first. To whom do Protestant men confess their sins when they abuse their wives? God alone?...well and good. Now tell that to your wife. She will not love you for saying that. She may fear you. But she will not love you.
finishstrongdoc 9 months ago
Protestant men can only appeal to Sacred Scripture to form their views on the man/woman relationship., which is why the only way a Protestant man can maintain headship over the woman is to appeal to Eph 5, and then he "Lords it over the woman". Add birth control into that scenario and you have the worst form of spousal abuse; there's nothing worse than bad religion. There is no trap so secure as the ones we set for ourselves.Christians divorce at the same rate as non-Christians; scandalous !
finishstrongdoc 9 months ago
Love wills the highest and best good for the sake of the beloved. It is obvious that western man has had no concern for the highest and best good for western woman because artificial contraception has become legalized, thus turning the culture into a "free-sex zone". Protestants say AC is sensible, neutral; this is delusional. The only word that will make a western man blush is the word "virgin". How many Protestant men value virginity in their prospective mates? We get the wives we deserve.
finishstrongdoc 9 months ago
Mr White assigns "passivity" to Mary's consent to impregnation by the HolySpirit, but he is living in a culture that assigns aggression as the highest end for womanhood. Proof: a woman who is on birth-control is preparing her body to be aggressively used as a passive instrument by any man, consensually or not, and no one publicly acknowleges this reality. Because they would be called misogynist, not PC. Mary was a perpetual virgin; this is the one statement that enrages Protestant and Satanists.
finishstrongdoc 9 months ago
The most obvious sign that the overthrow of womanhood's best and highest end is nearly complete is the controversy over artificial contraception and the morning after pill. No Marian-inspired woman would want that for herself, no matter the possibilities that exist in this sex-charged, impious culture. As proof of this impiety one need only look below,and see the reference to "the Jewish minx". Pious men and pious women protect one another from the unholy, impious western minds such as these.
finishstrongdoc 9 months ago
It seems obvious to me that modern western minds divorced from Marian piety have become unhinged from the reality of the true beauty of womanhood; even the most casual observer can notice this. And it would also be obvious to the intellectually honest historian that the cause of this separation from true femininity is due to Protestant resistance to Marian piety. Mary was able to consent to the Incarnation because of a piety that was based on a pure understanding of the man/woman relationship.
finishstrongdoc 9 months ago
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@finishstrongdoc Who are the many? Who are few?
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Matthew 7:13-15
BereanBeacon1 9 months ago
A jewish minx impregnated by an angel. Come on people. Don’t be delusional fools all your lives. Please start thinking critically and ditch this superstition.
FLUSEM666 10 months ago
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@FLUSEM666 Your time is coming.
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10,11
BereanBeacon1 10 months ago
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." —1st Corinthians 15:34
MrFabregas1987 10 months ago
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@MrFabregas1987 "Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." —1st Corinthians 15:34"
AMEN. The perfect example? The CATHOLIC SAINTS....Mother Teresa, etc
For3nity 10 months ago
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them..." —Exodus 20:4,5
MrFabregas1987 10 months ago
@MrFabregas1987 Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is IDOLATRY.
You had better be careful with that kind of idolatry, rather than worry with Catholic ART.
For3nity 10 months ago
"...This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" —Mark 7:6-7
MrFabregas1987 10 months ago
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@MrFabregas1987 "...This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" —Mark 7:6-7"
AMEN. The Catholic Church was founded by Christ Jesus....and the only Apostolic Church. The rest were founded by man.
For3nity 10 months ago
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth." —1st Timothy 4:1-3
MrFabregas1987 10 months ago
@MrFabregas1987 Amen brother.
I will sing unto the Lord, because he hath dealt bountifully with me. Psalm 13:6
BereanBeacon1 10 months ago
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For3nity 10 months ago
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@MrFabregas1987 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith...."
AMEN. Then came the Protester who departed from Jesus' True Church in yr 1517...and the division continued ...now 33,000 ?
For3nity 10 months ago
@For3nity
I'm afraid that the departing was done far before Luther or Calvin, and that they were simply 'reforming' the Gospel to its original unperverted form as found in the New Testament and without interference of Catholic tradition. I think it is the Church of Rome that has to answer to the charge of departing and not the Protestant Reformation
masteroftheobvious86 7 months ago
@masteroftheobvious86 Catholic tradition is Apostolic Tradition. Read the writings of the Early Church Fathers and you will see the teaching was Catholic. Also the Church is One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and still the same for almost 2000 yrs as promised by Jesus that no gates of hell shall prevail against her. The reformation was just a rebellion against the Church, and consequently against Jesus with the heretical teaching that was very different with the Early Church's / Fathers' teaching.
For3nity 7 months ago
@For3nity
The same for 2000 years? Is that why various councils have been held to change different doctrines, and the Pope in his office of Apostle can utter new dogmas and doctrines with apostolic authority?
If you go even further back from the teaching of the Early Church Fathers, you'll encounter two fellows called Paul and Jesus, who preached something almost entirely like what is known as Reformed theology today. It's the Reformation. Get with it.
masteroftheobvious86 7 months ago
@masteroftheobvious86 Nope...the teaching of St. Paul and our Lord Jesus is to live a sinless life, carry the cross daily, and always try to grow in holiness and be perfect as the Father in heaven is perfect. Reformed theology is: you may sin thousand times a night and yet you are saved....VERY DIFFERENT.
For3nity 7 months ago
@For3nity sin a thousand times a night?? All you have to do is go to confession. I was a devout catholic I know what you guys believe.
Petitegirl90 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 If you knew the faith, you would never leave the Church. Go to EWTN and find the Journey Home. See how many fallen Catholics have returned back home to their beloved Church founded by Jesus. May you find your way back home . God Bless :)
For3nity 5 months ago
@For3nity I respect your opinion but I cannot sorry. I don't believe in praying to anyone other than my Lord Jesus Christ!! I trust the bible more than traditions.. I was raised as a devout catholic and I know what they believe.
Petitegirl90 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 The Church is the pillar and ground of truth (1 Tim 3:15). The bible is the product of the Church. The bible (the NT) is part of written Tradition. Biblically we are to hold the Tradition ( 2 Thes 2:15). So if you trust the bible actually you trust the Tradition and the Church. And thank you for that :)
For3nity 5 months ago
@For3nity Yes I do believe that we are to practice the traditions the apostles taught. I am not against Roman Catholics all together yes you guys did perserve the scriptures but unfortunately they were kept away from people s. Catholics believe in the Holy Trinity and in the Resurrection of our Lord and Savior. The part that goes wrong for me is the praying to Marry and the Saints , Selling indulgences and stuff like that.it just seems like a distraction from our Lord.
Petitegirl90 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 The scriptures were never kept away from the Catholics. When you attend the mass, you know that there are always readings on OT/prophets' , Psalm, the Epistles and the Gospel where all four are related one another. And nowadays of course you are free to have / buy the scriptures (the bible). In the past, since thee were so many "fake" scriptures, the Church tried her best to make sure only the "true" one was read by the believers; and the best way was: read by the Church.
For3nity 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 What's wrong with praying to Mary and the Saints. They're the good examples of how to love Jesus and worship God. We pray/talk to them because of their great relationship with God. We honor and love them because of their great virtues, and when we did that, we would be "motivated" to imitate their virtues that we value so much. And the most important is that we ask them to pray for us in addition - of course - to our direct prayer to God. God knows our heart that we love Him first
For3nity 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 And I was never offered to buy indulgences, because it just never happen now :)
Although the Church is holy because she is sanctified in Christ Jesus, there are of course sinners who disgrace the Lords. So we are not to misidentify the Holy Church as the sinners just because of "some" mistakes done by "some" sinners.
For3nity 5 months ago
@For3nity Yeah but before the reformation happened mass was done in Latin so only the people who spoke latin could understand, and when people tried to translate the bible into English, they were killed,at least that was history says it could have been different I wasn't there. I do somewhat believe in the real presence of Christ in communion in the sense that when believers gather together his presense is with us. I also realize their is a difference between catholics and roman catholics.
Petitegirl90 5 months ago
CCC830 The word "catholic" means "universal," in the sense of "according to the totality" or "in keeping with the whole." the Church is catholic in a double sense: First, the Church is catholic because Christ is present in her. "Where there is Christ Jesus, there is the Catholic Church." (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Ad Smyrn. 8, 2: Apostolic Fathers, II/2, 311).
831 Secondly, the Church is catholic because she has been sent out by Christ on a mission to the whole of the human race (Cf. Mt 28:19)
For3nity 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 For the issue regarding the bible, I would recommend you to learn the history of the bible. Google: "Where We Got the Bible: Our Debt to the Catholic Church"
or open the following link (remove all spaces)
ww w. catholicapologetics. info/apologetics/protestantism/wbible. htm
There you will find out why the Church did what she did. And how she tried her best only to have the true believers taught in the true words of God, and not to have the fake sources of the scriptures.
For3nity 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 About Christ real presence, it's so clearly written in the bible: John 6:35-71, Mat 26:26-28, Mk 14:22,24, Luke 22:19-20, 1 Cor 10:16-17, 11:23-29. St. Ignatius of Antioch in the year 110 AD defending the real substantial presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, he wrote, "they (the heretics) abstain from Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist IS the Flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ...Letter to Smyrnaeans.
For3nity 5 months ago
@For3nity That is a very misunderstood and misinterpreted writing from Ignatius so are those scripture passages, I would be more than happy to type out the context in which he was speaking and send it in a message to you if you are willing to read it if not that is fine.I used to think the exact same thing but then I read it without making assumptions about what I had been taught growing up.Oh and I didn't watch the video yet but I will be sure to thanks
Petitegirl90 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 There were several Bibles in Germany in the vernacular before Luther made his own.
assasincomedy 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 Pls refer to ww w. ourcatholicfaith. org/churchhistory. html (remove all spaces) to have an idea of the Church history. You can see there where St. Ignatius was. For the Eucharist itself, I would suggest you read ww w. therealpresence. org/eucharst/a. html (remove all spaces). God Bless ...
For3nity 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 You are in complete error. The Mass was said in Latin until the second Vatican council. The clergy taught the laity what the Latin meant, and the Homily (Sermon) was said in vernacular.
'people tried to translate the bible into English, they were killed'
Completely incorrect. Heretics translated the Bible while changing various scriptures to support their own doctrines. These were condemned and burned by the Church.
assasincomedy 5 months ago
@assasincomed Ok I'm not denying that the Church burned these "heretics" but I was just stating that people since these heretics were burned have translated the bible and it shows that they weren't changing or trying to support their own doctrines because all the translations even the catholic agree with each other. I don't wish to argue any more so I'm not going to be commenting for the sake of peace
Petitegirl90 4 months ago
@Petitegirl90 No, the Bible's they translated often had intentional errors to support their own doctrines. Emphasis added or removed, words changed or books moved about, etc. That's why the Church burned heretical Bibles.
assasincomedy 4 months ago
I do also read from some early church fathers, which reassure me of the truth as well so I don't just read the bible. I am not suggesting that Catholics aren't saved, if they are trusting in their works and not in Jesus then yes they aren't. But if you are trusting in Jesus and your faith is producing good works then that is a different story
Petitegirl90 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 If you did read the writings of the Early Church Fathers you should have seen that the Church back then was Catholic, with the center of worship was Jesus real presence in the Eucharist. I would suggest you also read the writings of the Catholic Saints, and see how they love God and Jesus.
For3nity 5 months ago
@For3nity I forgot to ask, do you adhere to roman Catholicism or orthodox??
Petitegirl90 5 months ago
@Petitegirl90 Pope Benedict XVI is our beloved Pope :)
For3nity 5 months ago
@masteroftheobvious86 Yes, it's the same for almost 2000 yrs with the center of worship: Jesus' real presence in the Eucharist and salvation thru Jesus.
For3nity 7 months ago
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assasincomedy 5 months ago
@masteroftheobvious86 Various councils have proclaimed new Doctrines, which were always believed, because they were challenged with rampant heresy. Take the Divinity of Christ for example, always believed, wasn't a doctrine until it was challenged by the Arian Heresy. The reformation ripped up all beliefs stated by the Apostolic and Church fathers and changed the interpretation of Scripture to justify their own heretical belief. The Church's doctrines have never changed, only better understood.
assasincomedy 5 months ago
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" -Isaiah 5:20
MrFabregas1987 10 months ago
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@MrFabregas1987 "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" -Isaiah 5:20"
AMEN. The true light of Christ is found only in His True Church. But many didn't see it.
For3nity 10 months ago
I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." —Isaiah 42:8
MrFabregas1987 10 months ago
@MrFabregas1987 Sharing glory:
John 17:22. And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one..
Rom 8:17 Since we are his children, we will possess the blessings he keeps for his people, and we will also possess with Christ what God has kept for him; for if we share Christ's suffering, we will also share his glory.
For3nity 10 months ago
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5 random questions to which I have never heard a protestant give a satisfactory answer:
1)What objective reasons do you have to consider the Bible to be inspired literature?
2)Where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the only rule for faith?
3)Why does Saint Paul call the Church the foundation of truth?
4)Where is the only place in the Bible where the words "faith" and "alone" next to one another.
5)Why did Jesus give his apostles the authority to forgive sins?
sonofmary1 11 months ago
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Link0126 11 months ago
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Link0126 11 months ago
The prayer at 18:15 is scary..
benbrown4544 1 year ago 2
@John Contradict myself? Every time we commemorate and make present His sacrifice thru the Eucharist we see in our spirit how Jesus suffered for us at the cross as if we were there with Him at Calvary. If you cannot understand that it's because you are still in the flesh and not living by faith but by sight.
For3nity 1 year ago
@John316 It's finished? Christ suffering's finished. Now it's our turn to follow Him and carry our cross upto Calvary. Don't stop at Bethlehem only. Don't stop at accepting Christ as our savior only. Don't stop at calling upon His name only, because Jesus said not all that call Me LordLord will enter the Kingdom of heaven, but those who do the will of My Father. And don't stop having faith only as baby Christians that can digest only milk. The mature one needs solid food (St.Paul)
For3nity 1 year ago
@John "If Christ was refering to the literal bread as His body, then why didn't they nail the literal bread to the cross? They didn't. They nailed His real body to the cross"
That's the point. He was speaking the bread as His spiritual body that will be beneficial for our spirit...and will give us "spiritual" life. When we believe and accept His spiritual body in faith He will be in us and we will be in the Father as He promised.
For3nity 1 year ago
@john " Christ is called the door, the gate, the lamb, the vine, etc.... None of these are literal"
But you believe all those titles as TRUE even though He is not the real door, gate, lamb, etc....WHY?
So what the difference if He said to the bread: This IS my body? Why can't you believe it's His Body even though you don't see the real body?
For3nity 1 year ago
@For3nity When Christ said..."this is my body which is given for you" at that supper, who do you suppose the 'you' are? If He was speaking literally, then He was refering to those in the room, not you or me. You and I and anyone else alive today weren't there. So we are not included in the 'you'. So the literal bread being His body is for those who were literally there at that moment.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Your argument is the same with kiwi regarding accepting Mary as our mother when Jesus gave her to His beloved disciple John from the cross. If you believe so, why bother or why believing the other verses in the bible, because all those verses are not directly meant for you.
For3nity 1 year ago
@For3nity Hello friend. I know Christ was speaking about all of us when He said "you" because He was speaking figuratively when He said it. And He was speaking figuratively regarding the bread as well. You need to accept the real sacrifice Christ made for you on that cross, not the graven image in the form of wafer. Rev. 17:4 "And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a GOLDEN CUP IN HER HAND FULL OF ABOMINATIONS..."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Don't you know that the Eucharist is actually to make present Christ sacrifice on the cross so that His once for all sacrifice is to be forever valid for us as present now as it was almost 2000 yrs ago? It's the Catholic Church who always accept and remember Jesus sacrifice for us....thru the Eucharist. So rejecting that you are indirectly rejecting His sacrifice. Why doing that John?
For3nity 1 year ago
@For3nity My dear friend. It's funny how the Vatican doesn't listen to the words of Peter himself......1 Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath ONCE SUFFERED FOR SINS, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit." The eucharist is pointless. Christ said "it is FINISHED."
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago
@johnthreesixteen316 Jesus didn't say to eat and drink the cup to be saved he said to do it in remembrance of him. So it isn't pointless at all.
ArboriusOwns 1 year ago
@For3nity Hello friend. You've just contradicted yourself. How can repeating the eucharist every week make Christ's ONCE FOR ALL sacrifice forever valid? ONCE means ONCE, not millions of times every week around the world. What part of ONCE do you not understand? Roman Catholicism is in complete denial of this ONE TIME FOR ALL sacrifice. It would be nice if the Vatican would listen to scripture just ONCE.
johnthreesixteen316 1 year ago