Not to mention the fact that he seems to have ABsolutely no understanding of how one teaches science to little kids. You don't grab a six-year old and slap 'im with Richard Feynman , for chrissake . This apart from the shaky " science " and the overwhelming perfume of pseudo-mystical hooey rising like STEAM from this vid .
[1]- The paths he's talking about aren't spirals; they're helices. A spiral is a plane curve; a helix is a space curve.
[2]- The path traced through 3-D space as a function of time is always relative to some other frame of reference. Relative to some frames our system is tracing a space curve. Relative to others it's a plane curve. It has nothing to do intrinsically with DNA, which is helicoid because that's the equilibrium configuration given the interatomic forces in that molecule.
@danielsen45 The moron in the video doesn't even really SAY anything. It's just a bunch of religious babble dressed up in big, sciency-sounding words. For the purposes of understanding the mechanics of the solar system, it's perfectly legit to use the Sun as a fixed reference point.
@jsl840314 Except that the sun isn't stationary. What forces are keeping the solar system together? Gravity and torque. The balance between these two forces keeps us from 'flying away' or 'falling' into the sun. This couldn't work if the sun were stationary. The sun is moving, and its gravity is pulling the planets along behind it. There is no force that allows us to keep up with the sun, and so we trail along behind it.
@AvatarRoku1 You don't seem to understand how gravity works. The gravity that causes the sun to orbit the galactic center acts on the planets too. You should try reading a book sometime.
@RomH4ck There's a big difference between understanding science, and using big sciency words. This guy falls into the latter category. And which achievement do you speak of? Getting on youtube, or understanding first-grade astronomy?
@danielsen45 And then there's the bit about "each individual leaving a spiral through space." What does that even mean? We may be moving relative to the galactic center, but that doesn't mean that empty space is some grid that we're moving past. Motion is only relevant when comparing objects to other objects.
@jsl840314 "What does that even mean?" <--- this is where your comment should have stopped. You can't go on to 'explain' something you just claimed ignorance to. Either you understand, or you don't.
@AvatarRoku1 I never attempted to explain what this bozo is talking about, I'm just trying to comprehend what's going through his mind. His understanding of simple physics is so flawed I don't know where to start.
Read my comment again, this time using your brain: I'm not trying to explain his ideas, I'm explaining how it contradicts the known natural order.
The difference is Nassim stood out and informed the public which integrity, astronomers may have already known this but they shy away in fear of public redicule. It is true that this idea is not new... Walter Russel ( 1980's ), Dr. Keshava Bhat withy references drawn in 1800 and many Egyptian Heiroglyphics depicted this concept.
Someone else believes mathematics consists of absolutes. Again the same thing applies. Mathematics is as human as anything else we do, but has long enjoyed this greek notion of being queen of the sciences. For example 1+1=0 or 2 . take your pick.
Someone wanted to point out that universal statements are self contradicting, and indeed they are. However we still make them and this is because of emphasis. Technically if one uses a two valued function for a staement tnis is always going to occur. Fortunately we do not have to use a two valued function for any statement. This is one way of saying what i put in emphatic colloquial terms.
Not sure what schools he's taking about but every textbook I've read, every Astronomy class I've taken every model I've seen says exactly this. I don't see what's new a different about what they've known and taught for many, many years.
@Straigo Precisely. As ever, Haramein gives us a mixture of utter bullshit and things he's read in books and wants us to believe are original and revolutionary.
In fact he's presenting a pre-Galilean perspective of absolute motion through space. (Galileo instigated a paradigm shift 380 years ago that this guy could do with getting his silly inflated head around. He's got some serious catching up to do!)
i don't know who thinks the sun isn't moving but to me seems obvious that we are are like our moon to the sun. We move around the sun, like the moon around us. But the sun also has it's own orbit, like we do. I think the sun i moving around the center of the universe but not particulairy in the exact same orbit. It may take longer around eacht time as the universe expands.
What... the... fuck. Ok the first half of the video makes sense and is well known but where does he get the connection to DNA and why is he throwing the word evolution around arbitrarily?? Just because DNA and our movement through space are similar in shape don't make them homologous. It drives me crazy when people like him confuse people by starting out with simple facts then use those facts to make a false and unrelated point. Just wow.
@sofiarune Also, are we even moving at the angle he's proposing? We might not be making a perfect spiral like that at all. Gah this guy is manipulative.
@sofiarune Do not think your insight is general, as it is unique to you. And right and wrong are moral value judgements you have accepted for yourself. There are no absolutes absolutely!
What every astronomer knows is good for every astronomer, but for the ignorant man a bit of illumination is helpful. When initially learning one does not want to be embroiled in the humanity of scientists, just an inkling of what they are conceiving.
@jehovajah There is a realm where absolutes exist, The field is called "mathmatics". Reality based observations can't reasonably be used to justify statements that are unrelated and not actually supported by said observations.
I also need you to clarify what your second paragraph is trying to say.
This is brilliant! Nassim needs to be a part of the education of our children... and IS if you pass this on! Thank you for sharing! I look forward to aligning with Nassim in some way to bring his brilliant work to the online childrens education programs we are designing and creating with The BodyMind Institute.
Then again, who are we to judge such a "very specific spiral in space" as you call it? The Solar System, metaphysically, does not even exist, should we turn ourselves in that direction... No, it is just a way to explain it to the children: no big deal. Good thinking, though. I hope you don't do this just for money.
Every astronomer knows that the solar system moves through the galaxy, and that its path, seen from outside the galaxy, makes spirals. Basic astronomy textbooks cover the relativity of motion, applicable here.
We have known this for many decades.
Haramein is trying to make out that this is a startling new discovery. What a crock.
But then why does he say that the solar system model or elliptical motions are wrong and that the solar system travels like a comet making elliptical coil/spirals through the galaxy? I'm confused. My astronomy professor mentioned nothing about this =/.
Because he is pretending that we don't know about Relativity. But we do. We know that in different frames of reference ANY motion can be made to appear different. This has been know for a long time. For example, a Ferris wheel "makes spirals" if you add together its own motion and the motion of the earth it stands on .... does the Ferris wheel really make spirals? Well it depends on your Reference Frame. Does this make any difference to the people on the ferris wheel? Nope.
@KatieSpecks Every statement that every person makes is a lie as soon as it is conceived, but no one bothers about that very much.
It is exasperating i know, but ultimate truth does not exist and is unobtainable. To believe it is is to believe a lie.
You are trying to make out that this is general knowledge, which is also crock. I do not mind you being smug, for yourself, but do not make out that you speak for every astronomer,as they are a varied bunch with their own beliefs.
So is true that ultimate truth does not exist and is unobtainable...that sounds like an ultimate truth to me lol. Give it up, this method of philosophy was rejected and disproved time and time again. The moment you state that there is no ultimate truth, you've now defined an ultimate truth, which by your very definition cannot be true, therefore there exists ultimate truth. An example of such truth from logic: If A or B then A or B. Yeah it's trivial, but it's still always true.
katie is one of the 1% on the planet that knows this..good for you maybe this is something the rest of the world shoould now as well? as it defines your point of orientation for all that constitutes life on earth.. as a result we have the grego calendar. the most limited form of perceiving our journey through space, forever limiting our minds to a more complete vision of our common reality.. open your hearts...
At no point he claimed this is a new startling discovery, hes just giving a lecture to the uniformed, i have no clue where you get his a crock part.
Every astronomer may already know what hes talking about but think about this how many people are astronomers?
Just because you know this don´t assume everyone does, about what school teaches unless your into astronomy your basic average kid wont know this movement and wont care to look into it. Dont assume, ask first.
Not to mention the fact that he seems to have ABsolutely no understanding of how one teaches science to little kids. You don't grab a six-year old and slap 'im with Richard Feynman , for chrissake . This apart from the shaky " science " and the overwhelming perfume of pseudo-mystical hooey rising like STEAM from this vid .
NotChefCook 2 months ago
[1]- The paths he's talking about aren't spirals; they're helices. A spiral is a plane curve; a helix is a space curve.
[2]- The path traced through 3-D space as a function of time is always relative to some other frame of reference. Relative to some frames our system is tracing a space curve. Relative to others it's a plane curve. It has nothing to do intrinsically with DNA, which is helicoid because that's the equilibrium configuration given the interatomic forces in that molecule.
qed100 3 months ago
So Google Earth is a set up, i knew it...
MrMondeller 4 months ago in playlist MrMondeller's favorites
this is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen.
jsl840314 4 months ago
@jsl840314 and whys that?
danielsen45 4 months ago
@danielsen45 The moron in the video doesn't even really SAY anything. It's just a bunch of religious babble dressed up in big, sciency-sounding words. For the purposes of understanding the mechanics of the solar system, it's perfectly legit to use the Sun as a fixed reference point.
jsl840314 4 months ago
@jsl840314 Except that the sun isn't stationary. What forces are keeping the solar system together? Gravity and torque. The balance between these two forces keeps us from 'flying away' or 'falling' into the sun. This couldn't work if the sun were stationary. The sun is moving, and its gravity is pulling the planets along behind it. There is no force that allows us to keep up with the sun, and so we trail along behind it.
AvatarRoku1 4 months ago
@AvatarRoku1 You don't seem to understand how gravity works. The gravity that causes the sun to orbit the galactic center acts on the planets too. You should try reading a book sometime.
jsl840314 4 months ago
@jsl840314 This moron as you call him achieved for sure more than you, from scientific point of view.
RomH4ck 4 months ago
@RomH4ck There's a big difference between understanding science, and using big sciency words. This guy falls into the latter category. And which achievement do you speak of? Getting on youtube, or understanding first-grade astronomy?
jsl840314 4 months ago
@danielsen45 And then there's the bit about "each individual leaving a spiral through space." What does that even mean? We may be moving relative to the galactic center, but that doesn't mean that empty space is some grid that we're moving past. Motion is only relevant when comparing objects to other objects.
jsl840314 4 months ago
@jsl840314 "What does that even mean?" <--- this is where your comment should have stopped. You can't go on to 'explain' something you just claimed ignorance to. Either you understand, or you don't.
AvatarRoku1 4 months ago in playlist Nassim Haramein - The Grand Unified Field Theory
@AvatarRoku1 I never attempted to explain what this bozo is talking about, I'm just trying to comprehend what's going through his mind. His understanding of simple physics is so flawed I don't know where to start.
Read my comment again, this time using your brain: I'm not trying to explain his ideas, I'm explaining how it contradicts the known natural order.
jsl840314 4 months ago
I wonder if the Norway Spiral had something to do with this. Like God giving us a hint.
VictoriaWarrior 8 months ago
So, then all of the Constellations are also spiraling
JJESSMON 9 months ago 7
Try and picture a Galaxy in this way!! Trillions of Stars!
da1sun 1 year ago 2
@sofiarune @katiespecks LOL, I hate disingenuous psuedoscience too. Glad to see someone in on YouTube using their Baloney Detection Kits. :)
visionofmalkav 1 year ago
Well, it's certainly news to me. He did an excellent job articulating it.
lulubu86 1 year ago 4
The difference is Nassim stood out and informed the public which integrity, astronomers may have already known this but they shy away in fear of public redicule. It is true that this idea is not new... Walter Russel ( 1980's ), Dr. Keshava Bhat withy references drawn in 1800 and many Egyptian Heiroglyphics depicted this concept.
09205479428 1 year ago
Someone else believes mathematics consists of absolutes. Again the same thing applies. Mathematics is as human as anything else we do, but has long enjoyed this greek notion of being queen of the sciences. For example 1+1=0 or 2 . take your pick.
jehovajah 1 year ago
@jehovajah 1+1 can equal zero? How's that work?
jsl840314 4 months ago
Someone wanted to point out that universal statements are self contradicting, and indeed they are. However we still make them and this is because of emphasis. Technically if one uses a two valued function for a staement tnis is always going to occur. Fortunately we do not have to use a two valued function for any statement. This is one way of saying what i put in emphatic colloquial terms.
jehovajah 1 year ago
Not sure what schools he's taking about but every textbook I've read, every Astronomy class I've taken every model I've seen says exactly this. I don't see what's new a different about what they've known and taught for many, many years.
Straigo 1 year ago
@Straigo Precisely. As ever, Haramein gives us a mixture of utter bullshit and things he's read in books and wants us to believe are original and revolutionary.
In fact he's presenting a pre-Galilean perspective of absolute motion through space. (Galileo instigated a paradigm shift 380 years ago that this guy could do with getting his silly inflated head around. He's got some serious catching up to do!)
TheBobathon 1 year ago
about time someone pointed this out, so now we can apply this accurate data to physics
arizonaboss 1 year ago
i don't know who thinks the sun isn't moving but to me seems obvious that we are are like our moon to the sun. We move around the sun, like the moon around us. But the sun also has it's own orbit, like we do. I think the sun i moving around the center of the universe but not particulairy in the exact same orbit. It may take longer around eacht time as the universe expands.
Frankz0r1 1 year ago
What... the... fuck. Ok the first half of the video makes sense and is well known but where does he get the connection to DNA and why is he throwing the word evolution around arbitrarily?? Just because DNA and our movement through space are similar in shape don't make them homologous. It drives me crazy when people like him confuse people by starting out with simple facts then use those facts to make a false and unrelated point. Just wow.
sofiarune 1 year ago
@sofiarune Also, are we even moving at the angle he's proposing? We might not be making a perfect spiral like that at all. Gah this guy is manipulative.
sofiarune 1 year ago
@sofiarune Do not think your insight is general, as it is unique to you. And right and wrong are moral value judgements you have accepted for yourself. There are no absolutes absolutely!
What every astronomer knows is good for every astronomer, but for the ignorant man a bit of illumination is helpful. When initially learning one does not want to be embroiled in the humanity of scientists, just an inkling of what they are conceiving.
jehovajah 1 year ago
@jehovajah There is a realm where absolutes exist, The field is called "mathmatics". Reality based observations can't reasonably be used to justify statements that are unrelated and not actually supported by said observations.
I also need you to clarify what your second paragraph is trying to say.
sofiarune 1 year ago
This is brilliant! Nassim needs to be a part of the education of our children... and IS if you pass this on! Thank you for sharing! I look forward to aligning with Nassim in some way to bring his brilliant work to the online childrens education programs we are designing and creating with The BodyMind Institute.
bodymindtv 1 year ago
Good to see that someone here ( @KatieSpecks ) is capable of the paradigm shift that Galileo initiated in 1632.
For the rest of you, Haramein included, can you just TRY to understand that there is no absolute motion in space, and what that might imply?
Haramein needs to get with the 17th century program - and fast - if he wants to be respected as a physicist! Silly man. :-)
TheBobathon 1 year ago
Then again, who are we to judge such a "very specific spiral in space" as you call it? The Solar System, metaphysically, does not even exist, should we turn ourselves in that direction... No, it is just a way to explain it to the children: no big deal. Good thinking, though. I hope you don't do this just for money.
ogirdors 1 year ago
Every astronomer knows that the solar system moves through the galaxy, and that its path, seen from outside the galaxy, makes spirals. Basic astronomy textbooks cover the relativity of motion, applicable here.
We have known this for many decades.
Haramein is trying to make out that this is a startling new discovery. What a crock.
KatieSpecks 2 years ago 3
But then why does he say that the solar system model or elliptical motions are wrong and that the solar system travels like a comet making elliptical coil/spirals through the galaxy? I'm confused. My astronomy professor mentioned nothing about this =/.
Valtheos 2 years ago
Because he is pretending that we don't know about Relativity. But we do. We know that in different frames of reference ANY motion can be made to appear different. This has been know for a long time. For example, a Ferris wheel "makes spirals" if you add together its own motion and the motion of the earth it stands on .... does the Ferris wheel really make spirals? Well it depends on your Reference Frame. Does this make any difference to the people on the ferris wheel? Nope.
KatieSpecks 1 year ago
@KatieSpecks The best part was the connection of the people, the ferris wheel and the spiral.
ogirdors 1 year ago
The best thing about your perspective is that its YOURS.
roninunion 2 years ago
@KatieSpecks Every statement that every person makes is a lie as soon as it is conceived, but no one bothers about that very much.
It is exasperating i know, but ultimate truth does not exist and is unobtainable. To believe it is is to believe a lie.
You are trying to make out that this is general knowledge, which is also crock. I do not mind you being smug, for yourself, but do not make out that you speak for every astronomer,as they are a varied bunch with their own beliefs.
jehovajah 1 year ago
@jehovajah
So is true that ultimate truth does not exist and is unobtainable...that sounds like an ultimate truth to me lol. Give it up, this method of philosophy was rejected and disproved time and time again. The moment you state that there is no ultimate truth, you've now defined an ultimate truth, which by your very definition cannot be true, therefore there exists ultimate truth. An example of such truth from logic: If A or B then A or B. Yeah it's trivial, but it's still always true.
Jim1905 1 year ago
@KatieSpecks
katie is one of the 1% on the planet that knows this..good for you maybe this is something the rest of the world shoould now as well? as it defines your point of orientation for all that constitutes life on earth.. as a result we have the grego calendar. the most limited form of perceiving our journey through space, forever limiting our minds to a more complete vision of our common reality.. open your hearts...
PachamamaShiftofAges 1 year ago
@KatieSpecks
At no point he claimed this is a new startling discovery, hes just giving a lecture to the uniformed, i have no clue where you get his a crock part.
Every astronomer may already know what hes talking about but think about this how many people are astronomers?
Just because you know this don´t assume everyone does, about what school teaches unless your into astronomy your basic average kid wont know this movement and wont care to look into it. Dont assume, ask first.
ArrudaK 1 year ago 2
He's not tryin to sensationalize himself or claim he has discovered this new information at all, i doubt you have met him so why judge so harshly
twohseven 1 year ago 2
excellent clip.
vavrekcom 2 years ago