@stonebogart I disagree. For instance, I consider bands like crass, reagan youth, and rudimentary peni "real punk rock." On the other hand. bands like the sex pistols, ones that rely on image instead of substance to sell records, are fucking fake pieces of shit.
@dk352 Judging art is what 'it' was supposed to be against. Don't get me wrong, Reagan Youth is one of my favorite bands but why do they deserve more punk rock cred than Face to Face? I make my living off of music and I usually find the people concerned with credibility issues aren't very talented and/or wise. A lot of people thought the Descendents weren't punk enough, but compared to what? Is Crass as 'punk rock' as Waylon Jennings or Willie Nelson? I don't think so.
@stonebogart I definitely agree with you. If you read my previous comment, you will see that I did not slag Face to Face. In fact, I really like them. I just believe that I have the right to distinguish a passionate, authentic band with integrity, from a band that simply manipulates audiences with their image for cash, without being called an "idiot."
@dk352 By the way....you don't think Crass and Reagan Youth relied on image as well? If they showed up in golf shirts you wouldn't consider them punk probably. It all a business and the fact that their ripple got to you meant the machine was working and sold it's product to you. They gladly cashed their checks and paid their bills and bought their toys with your money. The duplicity never bothered them but they rely on the purists to alienate the 'not punk enoughs' to give them more credibility.
@stonebogart I agree that Crass and Reagan Youth maintained images, but their music and message were obviously always the first priority. In fact, Reagan Youth went as far as wearing tie die and dressing like hippies without regard to how it may affect their audience. Both bands never profited significantly from their art and wallowed in poverty during their hey-day, also. Your cynicism regarding the authenticity of these two bands in general disturbs me. I've never given them a dime either.
@dk352 I don't begrudge either band anything. I said I love Reagan Youth. The fact that you proudly have given them no money might be a symptom of why the 'wallowed in poverty'. I am disturbed by how you seem to be proud you did't support them with your dimes. I bought records from both of them...because I am a fan. Were you disturbed when Reagan Youth allowed Degenerated to be used in the film "Airheads" for money? Was it a sellout?
@stonebogart If you were familiar with how that song was selected, you would know that Paul Cripple had very little choice as it whether or not they were going to use that song. For some reason you think I'm some overly judgmental, punker than thou person, but I am not. As much as I don't like to categorize music, there are passionate, "real" punk bands, as well as fake bullshit. I've reinforced this point many times, yet you continue to evade it and insist that I'm slagging on face to face.
@dk352 Do you think Face to Face is selling an image? How is their music or lyrics not a priority? I love that Reagan Youth wore tie dye but that's more work and thought than Face to Face [or Hootie and the Blowfish for that matter] put into their image. You are stepping on your own cause with your point. We probably won't agree on this whole punk rock thing. I like it because it can't [and shouldn't] be defined. When I see punk rock fashion at Target I realize punk as we knew it is dead.
@stonebogart Your argument keeps referring to Face to Face, but if you look at my comments, I NEVER said anything negative about them. I merely suggested that I should have the right to distinguish between a good punk rock band and a SHITTY FUCKING POSER BOY BAND LIKE THE SEX PISTOLS.
@dk352 The Pistols kept a window open that made punk rock accessible to people not living in London and NYC in the late 70's and early 80's. To disregard their impact on the scene as a positive one is not right. They morphed and mocked a scene they helped to create. 'The Great Rock & Roll Swindle' was a great contribution to punk rock. You, of course, have the right to disregard The Sex Pistols but I don't see how they fit the bill as 'posers' or a 'boy band' but you can think anything you want.
@stonebogart Initially, the sex pistols and the clash were a great addition to the punk movement. However once they moved to America and started taking part in designer drug buffets in their limos, they lost touch. Many others recognized the hypocritical actions of these bands. Also, depending on who you believe, Mclaren created them just as a contemporary boy band is. Johnny Rotten is a sell-out and full of shit. Check out his country butter commericals.
@dk352 I guess we are stuck with disagreement. To me punk should be doing what you want without regard for what society thinks [but don't be hurting anyone]. Making butter commercials to me is funny and doesn't ruins your cred. He wants to work people up, you have played into his hands. He doesn't care what you think and just keeps going. To me...that's punk.
@dk352 Johnny Rotten, for the record, didn't do drugs but the Ramones did. The Ramones appeared in movies and often capitalized on their art financially. Which was good because when Joey got cancer he had health insurance which he paid for with his earnings. Good music is good music and scenes bother me.
@dk352 My guess is that you are in your late teens or early 20's. Mark my words, your opinions on this and many things will change over time. You are fighting for the sake of fighting and my guess is that you weren't even alive when this all went down. I was there and fight it as you may...that does matter. I played CBGB's and met and played with people you are talking about and that does matter. I am not saying I'm right and you are wrong I'm saying my perspective is different.
@stonebogart Yeah, I know you know what you're talking about. For me, this conversation kind of turned into a competition to get the last word, I said some things I didn't really mean. I know how old you are, as you do I, cause our ages are listed. I still contend that your initial statement, "It's so funny to see people post about "real punk rock". If that thought even crosses your mind...you ain't a punk, you are an idiot", is a controversial one that deserves scrutiny.
punk will always be punk !!!! unless you start calling SHIT like simple plan , fallout boy or good charlotte or any of these new shitty emo bands that have come around in the last few years punk then its just a shit mix of gay assed pop prancing around dressed like punk trying to fit in where they dont belong or are not wanted brainwashing todays youth into buying bad music.
riiiigght. everything about punk rock used to be good. the music's no good anymore, the shows are no good anymore. but five years from now, the music and shows from 2009 will be "great", and everyone will be talking about how the new music sucks. five years ago, blink 182 and new found glory were getting more radio play than against me! and gaslight anthem - there's nothing wrong with punk right now.
punk music's great right now. always has been, always will be.
the old guard never loves the new kid......face to face are awesome but i remember when they were called "new punk" or "skater punk".....along with lagwagon and strung out...
i love blink 182 and new found glory and stuff like that but i also like the older stuff like this and h2o and descendants. but the crap now is, like, all time low and fall out boy and panic at the disco... all 3 are horrible bands.
@Kaizen1286 No not all the new punk bands suck, Pour Habit rips, but out of the last 10 years please name more than 3 bands of this caliber in 5 sec. (and you tight pants tight t shirt kids get realyou are not nor never will be punk, skater punk, ect. you myfriends are just gay scene kids
Awesome, and this is back when warped tour didnt have all that shitty music, with the exeptions of Reel Big Fish, Gaslight Anthem, Four Year Strong, ect.
Don't Turn Away , that was my favorite C.D, Seen em live, loved that song, i dont think it was this well done when i seen em, Awesome live video . great sound. face to face is a tight band , dono they still around? i heard they quit, a litle after they starded to suck , t
You're a moron. Do some research, dumbass. They aren't the 80s gay band. The singer is in his mid 30s, the drummer in his late 20s and the bassist in his early 30s.
Bah it's no big deal. Which band were you in dude? I totally wish my band had opened for them at some point, but we totally freakin' sucked, lol. Anyway there's a new f2f messageboard open, I'm a mod there and you're welcome to join us! facetofacemusicDOTcomSLASHforum
Whew, I hate punk. That was god awful.
foogledoo32 1 month ago
Damn i feel bad for them. Warped tour sucks. Huge ignorant crowd, no one knows the words to a classic song. Why are you even there
stoiccadaver 2 months ago
I was the only one who cringed listening to this, or you guys too?
NuryDoe 5 months ago
@NuryDoe Then you don't like punk music at all or know what it is. Pick a different genre. Don't Turn Away is the most solid album i've ever heard
stoiccadaver 2 months ago
@stoiccadaver cringed in the good way...like "what a badass music"
NuryDoe 3 weeks ago
It's sad how quiet the crowd was when he had them sing some of the lyrics.... everyone should know about Face to Face!
fansince1994 6 months ago
VEVO DOESN'T OWN PUNK ROCK - ONE THING THEY WILL NEVER OWN!
3rni3PL 7 months ago 2
the kids that liked punk rock now like Dubstep the rest of us are still punks alwayz and forever =)
scion6221 8 months ago
It's so funny to see people post about "real punk rock". If that thought even crosses your mind...you ain't a punk, you are an idiot.
Face to Face rules.
stonebogart 9 months ago
@stonebogart I disagree. For instance, I consider bands like crass, reagan youth, and rudimentary peni "real punk rock." On the other hand. bands like the sex pistols, ones that rely on image instead of substance to sell records, are fucking fake pieces of shit.
dk352 8 months ago
@dk352 Judging art is what 'it' was supposed to be against. Don't get me wrong, Reagan Youth is one of my favorite bands but why do they deserve more punk rock cred than Face to Face? I make my living off of music and I usually find the people concerned with credibility issues aren't very talented and/or wise. A lot of people thought the Descendents weren't punk enough, but compared to what? Is Crass as 'punk rock' as Waylon Jennings or Willie Nelson? I don't think so.
stonebogart 8 months ago
@stonebogart I definitely agree with you. If you read my previous comment, you will see that I did not slag Face to Face. In fact, I really like them. I just believe that I have the right to distinguish a passionate, authentic band with integrity, from a band that simply manipulates audiences with their image for cash, without being called an "idiot."
dk352 8 months ago
@dk352 By the way....you don't think Crass and Reagan Youth relied on image as well? If they showed up in golf shirts you wouldn't consider them punk probably. It all a business and the fact that their ripple got to you meant the machine was working and sold it's product to you. They gladly cashed their checks and paid their bills and bought their toys with your money. The duplicity never bothered them but they rely on the purists to alienate the 'not punk enoughs' to give them more credibility.
stonebogart 8 months ago
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dk352 8 months ago
@stonebogart I agree that Crass and Reagan Youth maintained images, but their music and message were obviously always the first priority. In fact, Reagan Youth went as far as wearing tie die and dressing like hippies without regard to how it may affect their audience. Both bands never profited significantly from their art and wallowed in poverty during their hey-day, also. Your cynicism regarding the authenticity of these two bands in general disturbs me. I've never given them a dime either.
dk352 8 months ago
@dk352 I don't begrudge either band anything. I said I love Reagan Youth. The fact that you proudly have given them no money might be a symptom of why the 'wallowed in poverty'. I am disturbed by how you seem to be proud you did't support them with your dimes. I bought records from both of them...because I am a fan. Were you disturbed when Reagan Youth allowed Degenerated to be used in the film "Airheads" for money? Was it a sellout?
stonebogart 8 months ago
@stonebogart If you were familiar with how that song was selected, you would know that Paul Cripple had very little choice as it whether or not they were going to use that song. For some reason you think I'm some overly judgmental, punker than thou person, but I am not. As much as I don't like to categorize music, there are passionate, "real" punk bands, as well as fake bullshit. I've reinforced this point many times, yet you continue to evade it and insist that I'm slagging on face to face.
dk352 8 months ago
@dk352 Do you think Face to Face is selling an image? How is their music or lyrics not a priority? I love that Reagan Youth wore tie dye but that's more work and thought than Face to Face [or Hootie and the Blowfish for that matter] put into their image. You are stepping on your own cause with your point. We probably won't agree on this whole punk rock thing. I like it because it can't [and shouldn't] be defined. When I see punk rock fashion at Target I realize punk as we knew it is dead.
stonebogart 8 months ago
@stonebogart Your argument keeps referring to Face to Face, but if you look at my comments, I NEVER said anything negative about them. I merely suggested that I should have the right to distinguish between a good punk rock band and a SHITTY FUCKING POSER BOY BAND LIKE THE SEX PISTOLS.
dk352 8 months ago
@dk352 The Pistols kept a window open that made punk rock accessible to people not living in London and NYC in the late 70's and early 80's. To disregard their impact on the scene as a positive one is not right. They morphed and mocked a scene they helped to create. 'The Great Rock & Roll Swindle' was a great contribution to punk rock. You, of course, have the right to disregard The Sex Pistols but I don't see how they fit the bill as 'posers' or a 'boy band' but you can think anything you want.
stonebogart 8 months ago
@stonebogart Initially, the sex pistols and the clash were a great addition to the punk movement. However once they moved to America and started taking part in designer drug buffets in their limos, they lost touch. Many others recognized the hypocritical actions of these bands. Also, depending on who you believe, Mclaren created them just as a contemporary boy band is. Johnny Rotten is a sell-out and full of shit. Check out his country butter commericals.
dk352 8 months ago
@stonebogart and frankly, we only needed the Ramones.
dk352 8 months ago
@dk352 I guess we are stuck with disagreement. To me punk should be doing what you want without regard for what society thinks [but don't be hurting anyone]. Making butter commercials to me is funny and doesn't ruins your cred. He wants to work people up, you have played into his hands. He doesn't care what you think and just keeps going. To me...that's punk.
stonebogart 8 months ago
@dk352 Johnny Rotten, for the record, didn't do drugs but the Ramones did. The Ramones appeared in movies and often capitalized on their art financially. Which was good because when Joey got cancer he had health insurance which he paid for with his earnings. Good music is good music and scenes bother me.
stonebogart 8 months ago
@dk352 My guess is that you are in your late teens or early 20's. Mark my words, your opinions on this and many things will change over time. You are fighting for the sake of fighting and my guess is that you weren't even alive when this all went down. I was there and fight it as you may...that does matter. I played CBGB's and met and played with people you are talking about and that does matter. I am not saying I'm right and you are wrong I'm saying my perspective is different.
stonebogart 8 months ago
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@stonebogart Yeah, I know you know what you're talking about. For me, this conversation kind of turned into a competition to get the last word, I said some things I didn't really mean. I know how old you are, as you do I, cause our ages are listed. I still contend that your initial statement, "It's so funny to see people post about "real punk rock". If that thought even crosses your mind...you ain't a punk, you are an idiot", is a controversial one that deserves scrutiny.
dk352 8 months ago
Can't wait for their new tour wich stops in my town in May, and they are with Strungout! Have not seen Face to Face here in atleast 10 yrs.
bchina 10 months ago
2003 was pretty much the last good Warped Tour.
TheElephant79 10 months ago
all of the real punk rock is on the east side now with all of the crack rock steady bands
TheDp321 11 months ago
This is great shit! He sings this song really fast compared to some of the other Face To Face songs.
The Warped Tour compilation cds use to be great, but now they suck, their is too many of those auto- tune using emo bands on them.
emeryDH 11 months ago
is that SF?
rymeswitreason 1 year ago
punk will always be punk !!!! unless you start calling SHIT like simple plan , fallout boy or good charlotte or any of these new shitty emo bands that have come around in the last few years punk then its just a shit mix of gay assed pop prancing around dressed like punk trying to fit in where they dont belong or are not wanted brainwashing todays youth into buying bad music.
joeshuge 1 year ago
@joeshuge all that shit is not punk, they just need to go away i am totally with you bro
cyberpunk33 1 year ago
Warped tour sucked ass this year but it was worth it to see these guys back on stage....and with freaking Chad back!!!
scflyguy 1 year ago
FUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKK YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! been going to their shows since 97. Love them. But i wont be going to warped tour, nope. emo tards.
cuchuloholic 1 year ago
that was way before the lady gaga crap we get now..
Juslav 1 year ago
WOW this was back when the Warped Tour was good.
joslone 2 years ago 2
riiiigght. everything about punk rock used to be good. the music's no good anymore, the shows are no good anymore. but five years from now, the music and shows from 2009 will be "great", and everyone will be talking about how the new music sucks. five years ago, blink 182 and new found glory were getting more radio play than against me! and gaslight anthem - there's nothing wrong with punk right now.
punk music's great right now. always has been, always will be.
Kaizen1286 2 years ago 11
5 years from now the music and the shows from 2009 will still suck ass!!
joslone 2 years ago
the old guard never loves the new kid......face to face are awesome but i remember when they were called "new punk" or "skater punk".....along with lagwagon and strung out...
looshkin66 2 years ago 9
i remember that too
kickit301 1 year ago
i love blink 182 and new found glory and stuff like that but i also like the older stuff like this and h2o and descendants. but the crap now is, like, all time low and fall out boy and panic at the disco... all 3 are horrible bands.
lmcafnxma 1 year ago
@Kaizen1286 No not all the new punk bands suck, Pour Habit rips, but out of the last 10 years please name more than 3 bands of this caliber in 5 sec. (and you tight pants tight t shirt kids get realyou are not nor never will be punk, skater punk, ect. you myfriends are just gay scene kids
robb12d 1 year ago
@joslone I know what you mean! Its like they only book emo acts! However they still get some sick bands so don't get too down on it
danthefave 1 year ago
I got Don't Turn Away at a thrift store in Pennsylvania for $3!!! And it's amazing!!!
rg813 2 years ago 2
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willyiceman 2 years ago
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kalilifted 2 years ago
classic PUNK ROCK! XD luv it!!!
bitemexp 2 years ago
Great video , I saw them at the warp tour that year . brings back memories . Thanks so much for posting it
THEBRONXISBURNINGNYC 2 years ago
grande face to face!!!
bad88habit 2 years ago
Awesome, and this is back when warped tour didnt have all that shitty music, with the exeptions of Reel Big Fish, Gaslight Anthem, Four Year Strong, ect.
Draxx1134 2 years ago
they nevered sucked
and there back fool
just touring
but i hope they put out another album
cause they kick ass
and all there albums
just little different flavor
hell pennywise did it
and they're still fuckin' rad
with the change the brought
christopherisbest 3 years ago 2
Don't Turn Away , that was my favorite C.D, Seen em live, loved that song, i dont think it was this well done when i seen em, Awesome live video . great sound. face to face is a tight band , dono they still around? i heard they quit, a litle after they starded to suck , t
first2go2009 3 years ago
FUCK YEA!!
i met these guys after the warped show in lbc
fckin bad ass band,chill guys,and they auotgraphed my shit i wonder houw much i can get for it!!?!?!?
bazie91 3 years ago
fucking great! i love face to face!
XdeadscenestarX 3 years ago
beatyful
brazilian
tienin 3 years ago
bets fucking band ever this band got me into rock music and we need em back for more songs
tommothepommo666 3 years ago
nice crowd great show. loved them and so glad they're COMING BACK TO TOUR and maybe do some stuff. COME BACK TO NYC F2F WE LOVE YA!
skinsknot1 3 years ago
yeaarrrrrr!!!!!
ourstylee 3 years ago
scott is the best bassist EVERRRRR!!!!!!
dhasosan 3 years ago
Shit ya face to face need more
nattas76 4 years ago
aGREED!
Bobbyrock13 4 years ago
the best punkrock band...more videos !!!
pochof2fk 4 years ago
Montréal's highly resquest a comeback !
blinkwou 4 years ago
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! WHERE IS THAT BAND :'( I miss those guys sooooo much !
Montreal wants Face to Face back... NOW !!!
JohnnyCoolMusic 4 years ago
awesome band changed me forever
t6castro 5 years ago
fucking great
fabinhoooooo 5 years ago
Argh, cant play this one :(. I thought there would be more FTF videos on here, anyone got more live performances?.
Psyk078 5 years ago
why cant i ever spell anything correctly....lol
*face to face*
lazyboyselector 5 years ago
Can't wait for the DVD thats coming out.. Check out Trever's latest endeavors on antagonistrecords.com . Face to Face is the best band ever..
cucooforcocoa 5 years ago
I cant wait either! :D
Face ti Face are my faviorite band too :)!!
lazyboyselector 5 years ago
You're a moron. Do some research, dumbass. They aren't the 80s gay band. The singer is in his mid 30s, the drummer in his late 20s and the bassist in his early 30s.
punjer 5 years ago
is this the '80s band that played 10,9,8...?
gaae2000 5 years ago
No, it's not the gay 80s band, or the crap-ass rap group called face 2 face. They are a punk band from Victorville California.
punjer 5 years ago
I love face to face, by far my faviorite band of all time, hands down
lazyboyselector 5 years ago
Awesome!!!
keilan303 5 years ago
I have played with them too... you own all but me
TheTruth007 5 years ago
Prove it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hsn1rPGq4A
punjer 5 years ago
oh damn... got me there. I used to play in a band and we were one of two local openers for Face to Face. thats what I meant. you do indeed own me.
TheTruth007 5 years ago
Bah it's no big deal. Which band were you in dude? I totally wish my band had opened for them at some point, but we totally freakin' sucked, lol. Anyway there's a new f2f messageboard open, I'm a mod there and you're welcome to join us! facetofacemusicDOTcomSLASHforum
punjer 5 years ago
I played with this band. I own you all.
punjer 5 years ago
omg, i love this band... they broke up. ='(
cocolaum 5 years ago
i sucked trevors peepee
buttbanger 5 years ago