In the following there is this ‘discussion’ between you and me on hate speech in the Qur’an. While I provide evidence, you offer personal insults and the long worn “out of context” and “you don’t understand Islam” pseudo arguments.
Then, finally, you decide to remove all your shameless and void comments.
So, just to make the ‘conversation’ more legible, I restore your comments below as far as I can retrieve them. Thus, people can judge what sort of ‘evidence’ you offer.
Really? Only someone suffering from ADHD or ADD can understand my question like you did. True Muslims don't believe in any sort of "BASHING" you fool. Judaism and Christianity are founded upon their OWN prophets i.e. Moses (as) and Isa (Jesus a.s.). Hence you won't see any true Muslim out there BASHING Judaism or Christianity like these "Subject-Matter" Experts (a.k.a Islamophobes) continue to do in a biased media. Racism has always been defeated in pages of history.
DON'T repeat the often-defeated argument of quoting things out of context. Anything new? lolzzz... Your ignorance about Islam is something that is demise of your own sanity. In such a hate-filled view of world (including Islam), you even lost the ability to reason with people staying decent and civil. Anways, you'd never see a true Muslim going that low as you are. Peace! you need it desperately... or how about some anti-depressants, psychotherapies, etc...? :)
evospecies BLAH BLAH BLAH.... as i said, continue your hate-filled Islamophobic agenda until one fine day you'd shoot your own self out of that much hatred and jealousy in your heart. STOP this non-sense and grow up... and if you can't, then STFU and don't address me anymore... still... Peace!
As I concluded already about you, you are not only a scared soul but also walking on the same footsteps like these losers. You are not making any sense here at all. If world was as F'd up as you are, there won't be a single Musilm out there. But hey, guess what? There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims out there who don't buy your hate-filled, confused and completely "out-of-context" view of Islam. So, could you pls. at least save me from your "blah blah" and STFU? Thanks and peace! :)
So are there trillions of fish out there you hate-monger! WTF are you trying to say? You’re so much filled up with hate, rage and anger, every single word of yours is SCREAMING out loud. That is called jealousy. Grow the F out of that or you end up on anti-depressants (if you are not on some already). People have peace and you don't have it. Pls don't kill yourself due to that. People's Gods are not sending you any utility bills. So why are u screaming like a little brat?
You say: “True Muslims don't believe in any sort of ‘BASHING’”.
But Islamic scriptures are crammed with hatred against non-believers (especially Jews and Christians) and with commands to kill them; and “true Muslims” have to follow these scriptures. So, either you are ignorant of these scriptures or you are trying to deceive us.
Your responses are ad hominem and all but decent and civil. I am telling you the truth and the truth can be felt as offensive, but by definition it is not.
Your apologetic “out of context” argument is worn to a thread. In fact Allah’s hate speech in the Qur’an is universal and devoid of any context that limits the hate speech to self defence or war. Just a few of many examples: suras 3:56, 3:85 and 3:151; Allah teaches Muslims here to hate non-believers.
“As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.”
No context of self-defence/war. Torture unbelievers (Jews and Christians) in this world and the next. This teaches Muslims how to be the instrument of their cruel superbeing (the sword and jizyah). So much for the religion of peace. Read the Tafsirs.
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”
No context of self-defence/war. Allah says that only valid religion is Islam and non-believers will be punished in the next life (everlasting fire). So much for freedom of religion. This teaches Muslims that non-believers are wrongdoers in the eyes of the cruel superbeing. Read the Tafsirs.
“We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the wrongdoers.”
Allah casts terror BECAUSE they are polygamists (them awaits everlasting fire again), nothing to do with the battle of Uhud. This teaches Muslims their non-Muslim fellow-men are evildoers. Read the Tafsirs.
Summarizing, these 3 examples (there are many more) show the timeless character of Allah’s hate speech in the Qur’an. His cursing of unbelievers is as valid today as it was in the time of Muhammad. Please note that nowhere in the Qur’an there is a teaching to love unbelievers. Contrary, there are tens of verses that command Muslims to fight unbelievers, while there are hundreds that curse them to hell. So, it is justified to conclude that the Qur’an is crammed with hate speech.
I put before you major evidence of Allah’s hate speech, but your only comment is ad hominem and ad populum: valueless! There are 2 - 3 billion Christians worldwide; does that prove that Christian religion is truer than Islam? Nonsense! And if you would be able to explain how my comments are hate-filled (rather than many Qur’an verses) that would be great. I have already debunked the shabby “out of context” argument.
Next comes a treatment of Allah´s hate speech in Sura 4.
You obviously have a lot of hatred in you and you appear unable to control it. The only one that is screaming here, is obviously you. Don't project your own hatred on me and learn to behave yourself. You appear to have nothing to contribute to this matter, so, if you continue to misbehave like this, I will block you. Nobody is really interested in your continued noise.
Allah’s hate speech in Sura 4. Read 4:47, cursing Jews and Christians, or 4:48-4:52 threatening Christians with divine violence for having their belief, or 4:55/56 cursing unbelievers with torture in hell: “As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment”. Read 4:76, which commands to fight unbelievers and 4:89-91, commanding to kill apostates. This all teaches Muslims hatred against non-Muslims, not peace.
As I said, there are hundreds of Allah's hate verses against non-Muslims and the general picture that emerges is that of a gruesome, dark superbeing, merciless and hateful. It is absurd that, at the same time, the Qur’an refers to this god as merciful and beneficent. In what delusional state of mind must one be to ever believe this?
@aatayyab The difference between what you call "anti-Islam" and "anti-Judeo/Christian" is the "anti-Islam" material simply points out the FACTS about Islam, whereas the anti-Judeo/Christian material in Islam calls for beheading, torturing, killing, dismembering, dispossessing and raping Jews and Christians. Hmmm... the question is, why don't you see Jews and Christians writing thousands of volumes of books calling for the slaughter of non-believer like the Islamic texts do?
You say: "Every such Verse of Holy Book is about the self-defence and war, never in peace-time."
That is complete baloney. The hate speech in the Qur’an has a universal character, still valid these days, and is not directed against historical opponents of Muhammad. And we don’t have to watch the media to learn that, it is sufficient to read the backward scriptures of Islam.
@aatayyab There IS anti-Judaism, Anti-Christian subject matter and subject matter experts in Muslims communities. The first is called THE QURAN and the second is called IMAM/MULLAH etc.. Your very ideology is anti-Judeo/Christian, THAT'S why.
I read this book and have done quite a bit of research on islam. I thought Spencer was very generous to islam in that he only used islamic texts to draw his conclusions. My conclusion is that islam is the product of a madman that has been propagated through the centuries by sheer, blind terror by madmen who are made mad by a childhood filled with the butchery and profoundly inhuman ideology of islam. Muhammad was the first Islamic terrorist. (continued...)
Muhammad concocted islam after some neurological crisis (most likely epileptic seizure), his wife, being the successful business woman she was, saw this as an opportunity and easily convinced this power hungry
power hungry opportunist that his visions were actually divine revelations. (interesting to note that muslims claim things were just horrible for women pre-muhammad, and yet muhammad gained a place in the community on the shirt tails of a successful business WOMAN). Kind of like their claim that allah is the God of Abraham and yet Muhammad's FATHER who was the pagan priest was named "abdullah" which means slave of allah. Their stories don't hold much water for people who actually use their mind.
That's why islam is so dependent on terror. Nobody would follow an ideology like that except they be terrified of using their own powers of logic and reasoning.
Muhammad originally tried to convince the Jews he was their messiah. When this didn't work he turn on them - first changing the direction of prayers from Jerusalem (hmmm... Jerusalem belonged to the JEWS? interesting) to Mecca. Then he changed his tune, abrogated the candy coated Meccan texts and began preaching virulent antisemitism.
The bottom line is that islam is clearly a ripoff of Judaic and Christian texts and religion. It is designed for the express purpose of gaining power by violence, oppression and to replace and destroy Judaism and Christianity. You can no more separate terrorism from islam than you can extract your own skeleton - islam IS terrorism. Muhammad was a butcher that preached and practiced terrorism, pedophilia, slavery, and oppression of women. Islam is Satan's masterpiece - in the LITERAL sense.
Yes Allah/Muhammad through Islam are dependent on terrror to survive and expand. Bukhari 004.052.220
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
It's clear Islam is not about spirituality but power and wealth through terror and death
I could give you a lot of reasons WHY Mr. Spencer is greater than allah/mohammad if you like, beginning with the fact that Spencer doesn't have sex with children and order non-believers to have their hands and feet cut off, their eyes gouged out and left in the desert to die. But I'm going to assume most people here are already quite aware of the nasty facts of islam.
Crusaderkafir, thanks, but this is not really helping. It would be more interesting to have a reasoned opinion from you or possible approaches to the problem that you experience.
The Truth about Muhammad is an objective textbook that provides excellent details with valuable references to what Islam stood for in the past and still stands for today. This book is an antidote to the treacherous sugar-coated accounts of Islam provided by those who aim at a stealth attack on our democratic civilization.
You're right - and every person who attacks Robert bases their attacks not on the validity of the information inside the book but what qualifications he has.
The moment that one challenges the authors background instead of the content of the book - one has instantly lost the argument.
@aatayyab
In the following there is this ‘discussion’ between you and me on hate speech in the Qur’an. While I provide evidence, you offer personal insults and the long worn “out of context” and “you don’t understand Islam” pseudo arguments.
Then, finally, you decide to remove all your shameless and void comments.
So, just to make the ‘conversation’ more legible, I restore your comments below as far as I can retrieve them. Thus, people can judge what sort of ‘evidence’ you offer.
evospecies 5 months ago
aatayyab to evo:
Really? Only someone suffering from ADHD or ADD can understand my question like you did. True Muslims don't believe in any sort of "BASHING" you fool. Judaism and Christianity are founded upon their OWN prophets i.e. Moses (as) and Isa (Jesus a.s.). Hence you won't see any true Muslim out there BASHING Judaism or Christianity like these "Subject-Matter" Experts (a.k.a Islamophobes) continue to do in a biased media. Racism has always been defeated in pages of history.
evospecies 5 months ago
aatayyab to evo:
DON'T repeat the often-defeated argument of quoting things out of context. Anything new? lolzzz... Your ignorance about Islam is something that is demise of your own sanity. In such a hate-filled view of world (including Islam), you even lost the ability to reason with people staying decent and civil. Anways, you'd never see a true Muslim going that low as you are. Peace! you need it desperately... or how about some anti-depressants, psychotherapies, etc...? :)
evospecies 5 months ago
aatayyab to evo:
evospecies BLAH BLAH BLAH.... as i said, continue your hate-filled Islamophobic agenda until one fine day you'd shoot your own self out of that much hatred and jealousy in your heart. STOP this non-sense and grow up... and if you can't, then STFU and don't address me anymore... still... Peace!
evospecies 5 months ago
aatayyab to evo:
As I concluded already about you, you are not only a scared soul but also walking on the same footsteps like these losers. You are not making any sense here at all. If world was as F'd up as you are, there won't be a single Musilm out there. But hey, guess what? There are 1.6 BILLION Muslims out there who don't buy your hate-filled, confused and completely "out-of-context" view of Islam. So, could you pls. at least save me from your "blah blah" and STFU? Thanks and peace! :)
evospecies 5 months ago
aatayyab to evo:
So are there trillions of fish out there you hate-monger! WTF are you trying to say? You’re so much filled up with hate, rage and anger, every single word of yours is SCREAMING out loud. That is called jealousy. Grow the F out of that or you end up on anti-depressants (if you are not on some already). People have peace and you don't have it. Pls don't kill yourself due to that. People's Gods are not sending you any utility bills. So why are u screaming like a little brat?
evospecies 5 months ago
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aatayyab 6 months ago
@aatayyab
You say: “True Muslims don't believe in any sort of ‘BASHING’”.
But Islamic scriptures are crammed with hatred against non-believers (especially Jews and Christians) and with commands to kill them; and “true Muslims” have to follow these scriptures. So, either you are ignorant of these scriptures or you are trying to deceive us.
evospecies 6 months ago
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aatayyab 6 months ago
@aatayyab
Your responses are ad hominem and all but decent and civil. I am telling you the truth and the truth can be felt as offensive, but by definition it is not.
Your apologetic “out of context” argument is worn to a thread. In fact Allah’s hate speech in the Qur’an is universal and devoid of any context that limits the hate speech to self defence or war. Just a few of many examples: suras 3:56, 3:85 and 3:151; Allah teaches Muslims here to hate non-believers.
evospecies 6 months ago
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aatayyab 6 months ago
@aatayyab (sura 3:56)
You say “peace”, but your words are hateful.
Allah’s hate speech in sura 3:56:
“As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.”
No context of self-defence/war. Torture unbelievers (Jews and Christians) in this world and the next. This teaches Muslims how to be the instrument of their cruel superbeing (the sword and jizyah). So much for the religion of peace. Read the Tafsirs.
evospecies 6 months ago
@aatayyab (sura 3:85)
Allah’s hate speech in sura 3:85:
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.”
No context of self-defence/war. Allah says that only valid religion is Islam and non-believers will be punished in the next life (everlasting fire). So much for freedom of religion. This teaches Muslims that non-believers are wrongdoers in the eyes of the cruel superbeing. Read the Tafsirs.
evospecies 6 months ago
@aatayyab (sura 3:151)
Allah’s hate speech in sura 3:151:
“We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the wrongdoers.”
Allah casts terror BECAUSE they are polygamists (them awaits everlasting fire again), nothing to do with the battle of Uhud. This teaches Muslims their non-Muslim fellow-men are evildoers. Read the Tafsirs.
evospecies 6 months ago
@aatayyab
Summarizing, these 3 examples (there are many more) show the timeless character of Allah’s hate speech in the Qur’an. His cursing of unbelievers is as valid today as it was in the time of Muhammad. Please note that nowhere in the Qur’an there is a teaching to love unbelievers. Contrary, there are tens of verses that command Muslims to fight unbelievers, while there are hundreds that curse them to hell. So, it is justified to conclude that the Qur’an is crammed with hate speech.
evospecies 6 months ago
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aatayyab 6 months ago
@aatayyab
I put before you major evidence of Allah’s hate speech, but your only comment is ad hominem and ad populum: valueless! There are 2 - 3 billion Christians worldwide; does that prove that Christian religion is truer than Islam? Nonsense! And if you would be able to explain how my comments are hate-filled (rather than many Qur’an verses) that would be great. I have already debunked the shabby “out of context” argument.
Next comes a treatment of Allah´s hate speech in Sura 4.
evospecies 6 months ago
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aatayyab 6 months ago
@aatayyab
You obviously have a lot of hatred in you and you appear unable to control it. The only one that is screaming here, is obviously you. Don't project your own hatred on me and learn to behave yourself. You appear to have nothing to contribute to this matter, so, if you continue to misbehave like this, I will block you. Nobody is really interested in your continued noise.
evospecies 6 months ago
@aatayyab
Allah’s hate speech in Sura 4. Read 4:47, cursing Jews and Christians, or 4:48-4:52 threatening Christians with divine violence for having their belief, or 4:55/56 cursing unbelievers with torture in hell: “As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment”. Read 4:76, which commands to fight unbelievers and 4:89-91, commanding to kill apostates. This all teaches Muslims hatred against non-Muslims, not peace.
evospecies 5 months ago
@aatayyab
As I said, there are hundreds of Allah's hate verses against non-Muslims and the general picture that emerges is that of a gruesome, dark superbeing, merciless and hateful. It is absurd that, at the same time, the Qur’an refers to this god as merciful and beneficent. In what delusional state of mind must one be to ever believe this?
evospecies 5 months ago
@aatayyab The difference between what you call "anti-Islam" and "anti-Judeo/Christian" is the "anti-Islam" material simply points out the FACTS about Islam, whereas the anti-Judeo/Christian material in Islam calls for beheading, torturing, killing, dismembering, dispossessing and raping Jews and Christians. Hmmm... the question is, why don't you see Jews and Christians writing thousands of volumes of books calling for the slaughter of non-believer like the Islamic texts do?
carolineislands 6 months ago
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aatayyab 6 months ago
@aatayyab
You say: "Every such Verse of Holy Book is about the self-defence and war, never in peace-time."
That is complete baloney. The hate speech in the Qur’an has a universal character, still valid these days, and is not directed against historical opponents of Muhammad. And we don’t have to watch the media to learn that, it is sufficient to read the backward scriptures of Islam.
evospecies 6 months ago
@aatayyab There IS anti-Judaism, Anti-Christian subject matter and subject matter experts in Muslims communities. The first is called THE QURAN and the second is called IMAM/MULLAH etc.. Your very ideology is anti-Judeo/Christian, THAT'S why.
carolineislands 6 months ago
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aatayyab 10 months ago
I read this book and have done quite a bit of research on islam. I thought Spencer was very generous to islam in that he only used islamic texts to draw his conclusions. My conclusion is that islam is the product of a madman that has been propagated through the centuries by sheer, blind terror by madmen who are made mad by a childhood filled with the butchery and profoundly inhuman ideology of islam. Muhammad was the first Islamic terrorist. (continued...)
carolineislands 3 years ago 3
Muhammad concocted islam after some neurological crisis (most likely epileptic seizure), his wife, being the successful business woman she was, saw this as an opportunity and easily convinced this power hungry
carolineislands 3 years ago
power hungry opportunist that his visions were actually divine revelations. (interesting to note that muslims claim things were just horrible for women pre-muhammad, and yet muhammad gained a place in the community on the shirt tails of a successful business WOMAN). Kind of like their claim that allah is the God of Abraham and yet Muhammad's FATHER who was the pagan priest was named "abdullah" which means slave of allah. Their stories don't hold much water for people who actually use their mind.
carolineislands 3 years ago 2
That's why islam is so dependent on terror. Nobody would follow an ideology like that except they be terrified of using their own powers of logic and reasoning.
Muhammad originally tried to convince the Jews he was their messiah. When this didn't work he turn on them - first changing the direction of prayers from Jerusalem (hmmm... Jerusalem belonged to the JEWS? interesting) to Mecca. Then he changed his tune, abrogated the candy coated Meccan texts and began preaching virulent antisemitism.
carolineislands 3 years ago
The bottom line is that islam is clearly a ripoff of Judaic and Christian texts and religion. It is designed for the express purpose of gaining power by violence, oppression and to replace and destroy Judaism and Christianity. You can no more separate terrorism from islam than you can extract your own skeleton - islam IS terrorism. Muhammad was a butcher that preached and practiced terrorism, pedophilia, slavery, and oppression of women. Islam is Satan's masterpiece - in the LITERAL sense.
carolineislands 3 years ago
Thank you very much Carolineislands for your valuable contribution.
evospecies 3 years ago
Thank you for providing a forum hospitable to the truth.
carolineislands 3 years ago
carolineislands,
Yes Allah/Muhammad through Islam are dependent on terrror to survive and expand. Bukhari 004.052.220
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
It's clear Islam is not about spirituality but power and wealth through terror and death
cariansee 3 years ago
Good Very Good
dd1857 3 years ago
Robert Spencer is great. Spencer akbar!
SUSPENDEDKUFFAR 3 years ago
Spencer akbar!
LOL
LOL again!
carolineislands 3 years ago
Carolineislands, what is your point, if any?
In case you have no real point, please refrain from posting, you are wasting our tiem.
In case you have a point, please clearly state it, if you can.
evospecies 3 years ago
My point is that I found the comment "Spencer akbar!" very funny. Robert Spencer is clearly MUCH greater than allah or his little pimp daddy, Mo.
carolineislands 3 years ago
I could give you a lot of reasons WHY Mr. Spencer is greater than allah/mohammad if you like, beginning with the fact that Spencer doesn't have sex with children and order non-believers to have their hands and feet cut off, their eyes gouged out and left in the desert to die. But I'm going to assume most people here are already quite aware of the nasty facts of islam.
carolineislands 3 years ago
Thank you for your exposition.
evospecies 3 years ago
Death to Islam!
crusaderkafir 3 years ago
Crusaderkafir, thanks, but this is not really helping. It would be more interesting to have a reasoned opinion from you or possible approaches to the problem that you experience.
evospecies 3 years ago
youtube pedophilia the talmud
jay6dc 3 years ago
Your point is, if any?
evospecies 3 years ago
Jay6dc is just another Islamist fucktard obsessed with the Jews.
MojaveViper29 2 years ago
The Truth about Muhammad is an objective textbook that provides excellent details with valuable references to what Islam stood for in the past and still stands for today. This book is an antidote to the treacherous sugar-coated accounts of Islam provided by those who aim at a stealth attack on our democratic civilization.
evospecies 3 years ago
You're right - and every person who attacks Robert bases their attacks not on the validity of the information inside the book but what qualifications he has.
The moment that one challenges the authors background instead of the content of the book - one has instantly lost the argument.
kaiwaig 3 years ago