So? There are also females in military special forces. And as I said badass women are rare, like until now only one female has passed the FDF Para Jäger training.
In the end what counts as an elite unit is only a matter of definition and does not affect the actual performance of the unit.
Moreover you can diss units that have female members but don't complain if you get pussywhipped by an 16,2g Lock Base penetrating your ballistic protection.
Wow those talking about female space marines have got to be oblivious or retarded. The success rate of survival is under FOUR PERCENT when using the most PHYSICALLY STRONG MALE humans they can find ACROSS THE GALAXY. How would using FEMALES in this process be even REMOTELY a good idea? Females could never survive the 15 year process of becoming a marine, simple as that.
@brainsare They'd still function well as meat shields, which is what Space Marines tend to ed up as in most recent skirmishes. Besides, anything that can hold a gun can serve the Emperor.
The Imperium isn't just sexist and racist, it's...just plain wrong. :D
It's like dark ages europe rolled up w/ the excesses of the Crusades and the various Inquisitions along w/ some of the nastiest regimes in human history (from Imperial Rome, to Qin's China, to Nazi Germany)
There are NO 'good sides' in Warhammer 40,000 (even the Tau are ultimately questionable).
It's a grim...dark universe. I mean, that's the tagline of 40k: "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war."
GovernorDerek and Pooknottin, you guys are arguing the same side of an old story, want some real fun? go on a starwars site and explain to them how the Imperium of Man would decimate the Galactic Empire. failing that, get laid.
Nah, I'd rather not get involved in that kind of thing. Such is the province of the superhero fan, or primary school children arguing about who's Daddy is bigger.
On the other note - good point, I'll get right on it.
I wanna see the entire Star Wars Galactic Empire vs. 2 maybe 3 Battlefleets of the Imperium. Seems like a fair enough fight considering that Cobra class destroyers are the same size as a star destroyer. 0.0
@warhammer40kRJ The Engines were damaged when the imperial ship attacked, had you payed attention you would've noticed the pilot say "Main drive down! Power loss total."
wow where to begin..... Alright there COULD have been female space marines however after the emporor was crippled we essentially last alot of our tech nology and research. secondly anyone hear of adeptas soritas? I know they dont have the same genetic augmentations but they are as close as possible to female space marines. Secondly, the imperium is not worried about becomeing extinct the whole geneseed to make many more of us pretty much takes care of that. And all thearmies are somewhat evil
i thought in the horus heresy books they said that the genetic seed (sorry, im spanish, i'm not sure if this is the right translation of "semilla genética") doesn't work in women for some reason.
there is a kind of femal space marines, they are known as the sisters of battle. they are not gennetically enhacxed, like the space marinse, but they still have neet weapons and power armour.
@Shoreyoo sisters of battle are not made from gene seeds they are girls that parents served the emporor and were orphaned due the their parents death and sent to the scholara progenium.
the imperium is neither racist nor pseciist and especially not xenoPHOBIC
the imperium is made from fire, steel, flesh and blood. the imperium is the materialized wish of the emperor and the emperors knows neither FEAR nor unperfection!!
The Imperium is definitely not racist in the sense that we use the term today.... They are merely speciiest and hateful of other species. Indeed, there are entire sectors in the Imperium which are inhabited by humans of all races, such as blacks, whites, and Asians. In the Eisenhorn trilogy by Dan Abnett, Eisenhorn reflects on the fact that some worlds are inhabited entirely by blacks and this is more of the norm in certain sectors, while in others whites or Asiatic humans are more prominent.
Female Space Marines aren't anatomically possible because the Astartes organs wouldn't grow properly. Testosterone is one of the necessary hormones required to successfully create a Space Marine.
Besides, the Imperium *is* sexist because humanity is facing the real threat of extinction. The fatality rates are so high that children have to be born as quickly as possible in order to offset combat losses. It sucks, but it's the only way.
@Solarchos if the Imperium is sexist then howcome they have Females in the Imperial Guard and what about the all female Sisters of Battle and the Female Inqusitors.
@KingBowser22 Most of those IG women either have special dispensation from their respective homeworlds (a cultural thing) or, as they do on Cadia, if they're unable to have children, they're allowed to join the Imperial Guard. The Sisters of Battle are a holdover from the Vandire Apostasy and they're allowed to exist because of a weird phrasing within the Ecclesiarchy's bylaws forbidding "men under arms" (but nothing's said about women being soldiers within the Ecclesiarcy so that's fine).
@Solarchos You know, I always had trouble buying into that argument. Because the emperor was clever enough to make just about everything the imperium needed to survive including the golden throne, yet he wasn't smart enough to work around a few chromosome issues or something like that is a horribly flawed argument.
@atlantiswolf Ahhhh, but you're forgetting a major point: the Emperor *isn't* in charge any more (except symbolically). The Imperium of the 41st Millennium is nothing like the Imperium of the 31st Millennium. In the 10000+ years since the Horus Heresy (which he never saw coming) the High Lords of Terra and the Mechanicus have strayed immensely from his original vision. The Emperor *was* clever like you said, but the High Lords aren't nearly so.
1. Women also produce testosterone. They just don't produce as much as men and produce more estrogen.
2. The Imperial Guard recruit women, but some regiments do not on cultural grounds. The Sororitas Militant were founded to take advantage of a loophole in the declaration of pacivity (or whatever it was called).
@Pooknottin That comparative lack of testosterone may be what ultimately made the Emperor decide that female Astartes weren't acceptable. Remember - the Emperor had tens of thousands of years to experiment and design the Space Marine programme. He almost certainly would have looked into the idea and done some kind of research into it, but whatever the reason he chose not to pursue it.
You're right about the Imperial Guard though. Some worlds allow it, but most don't seem to.
Actually the Emperor did not have tens of thousands of years to work on the Space Marine project. The Age of Strife wasn't exactly free-research-time and after that there was the Great Crusade. I'm not saying that he knocked it up in one night, but it was more short-term than several decamillenia.
Also if you can engineer organs which allow a recipient to absorb memories though digesting brain-matter you can manage simple tweaks like a testosterone defecit.
@Solarchos I mean quite true, men are meant for fighting and women for breeding, you do not need so many men to make babies, one men can impregnate as many woman as he want while a woman can only bear one man child.
@Spacemarine341 Not quite. Equipment-wise Sororitas and Astartes aren't that much different, but Space Marines are much physically stronger due to the extensive genetic enhancements they've undergone. A Battle-Sister is put through a hell of a lot of training, conditioning, and screening. What distinguishes a Sororitas from an Astartes is that they can use faith powers while Astartes can't, so they're by no means "inferior" in any way.
@chitownzfinesthustla Simple, because on the million-or-so worlds of the Imperium at least HALF of them are under direct attack from Ork Waaaaghs, Chaos cultists and/or Marines, Eldar raids (Dark and Craftworld), Necrons, Tyranids (lots and LOTS of Tyranids), rebellions, mutant uprisings, Tau incursions, and at least a thousand other races all inimical to Humanity.
@Solarchos dude for one billions dude and have you ever heard of a hive world there are trillions of humans packed in hive cities if they were really that close their would be more room lol plus humans reproduce fast we could never go extinct the eldar are a dying race the tau are still a evolving people they only discoverd fire ten millinia ago the necrons can be defeated their not immortal. tyranids are like the zerg their just a hive mind find the queen kill her and their goes the head
@Solarchos besides we survived the heressy the chaos gods are nothing to the empire plus their are still to missing primarchs and the orks are just fodder for my feet
@chitownzfinesthustla Would that it could be that simple. Unfortunately, it's not. The 42nd Millennium is the long-awaited and much-dreaded Dark Millennium, and everything preceding it was just a prelude. I'm not saying that the Imperium can't fight and survive (Medusa-5 proved it can), but the 41st Millennium is going to look like peaceful and tranquil by comparison.
@Solarchos Still, females aren't excluded from combat in the service of the Emperor. The process to create an Astartes could be modified to allow for the physiological difference, but it would require lost technology and the personal attention of the Emperor...which he can scarcely provide.
@unnamednewbie13 That's the #1 problem to women serving in the Imperium's military in general - the Imperium is unbelievably conservative. BEYOND conservative: paralyzed in regards to innovation. Wdespread policy is that women stay on their homeworlds and make babies. On worlds like Cadia and Valhalla, women DO serve in the Imperial Guard. Still, worlds like Cadia and Valhalla are more the exception than the rule.
@Solarchos I think it's more because GW wants to avoid OMG BOOBS guards armies being built. Also, with as many worlds, cultures and even variants of the Imperial cult as there are, "conservative" in the Imperium is a loose term.
Women are spread all throughout service to the Imperium. Aside from the guard, there's the Imperial Navy, the Arbites, Sororitas, various Ordos of the Inquisition...the list goes on. Women occupy ranks far above even high-ranking guardsmen officers. Just not in SM.
@Solarchos Horribly incorrect. Roughly half the Imperial Guard commands, both extinct and current, are either all female or mixed gender. I should point out that the only militarily active world in the Imperium that does not have at least one mixed or all female command is Tallarn.
personally I think that the whole notion of female space marines seems to either come from feminists who are jealous and so hate the cannon of an all male super-trooper force, or from a less respectible aspect, from a nerd who has a weird fantasy fetish of a female space marine. the first option is the more likely reason though. also if there are female space marines, then why is there no offical info on them? and wouldn't it be wierd to call a female space marine brother?
Yes, you would call them sister... like a Sister of Battle. The power armour clad nuns with guns. I guess the science reason for no female space marines is that the DNA for the implants originaly comes from the Emperor, then came the primarks and then the individual space marine chapters. All the geneseed is based on male DNA and as a result is formed around an X and a Y chromesone. To make female space marines you would need a female equivelent of the emperor.
@graydeath1 Actually all males are essentially females to begin with. Genetically the genders are near identical save the one cromasome. That would not hinder genetic compatability with a transplanted organ.
@Pooknottin As far as I'm aware it's not like an organ transplant, it's not a matter of stiching in an organ and you're good to go, but it changes the very DNA of the prospective Space Marine, thus not having that Chromasome might actualy have an effect.
On another note... OMG are people still discussing this! Don't we have anything better to do with our lives?
@Pooknottin At most it might alter their gender? Wouldn't that mean that any new female initiates would become males, leading to all Space Marines being male?
I don't know, I'm between jobs right now so I do have a lot of time on my hands.
Well it doesn't take much to change a person's gender hormonally. I would certainly think that was more likely than causing death. This of course is not a matter covered in the cannon lore, but I don't think Workshop have ever really bothered with this question much. They generally leave the difficult questions to the community. That said, I'm not surprised considering what their numerous excuses for dropping and reconing the Squat race are like.
@GovernorDerek No, I'm not a troll. I'm quite sick of people who think that a person who doesn't bow to contention is a troll. It really says nothing for integrity if a person is expected to simply bow to contrary opinion, or shut up.
I've been playing, reading about and generally being involved in the 40k background since I was 10 years old - this kind of discussion is quite interesting to me. It's also something I become quite empassioned about.
From a game point of view it stems from the time when the model making process of Games Workshop was still much less advanced. They couldn't make Space Marines that looked female but still distinctive enough from Eldar. Now they have canon to consider, which they built up to explain the no female Space Marines. Now there are females in the guard, it's in the fluff. But can you find female guard models...
@GovernorDerek I don't think there should be female space-marines. The decision was made at some juncture to restrict the project to one gender. That gender happened to be the male one. I suspect a better background explaination for this decision would be one related to behavior as a group, rather than individual prowess, or physical compatability.
@Pooknottin No there was no decicion or council, it just is, the Emperor was the Project head and he used his own DNA to create the organs and the gene-seed. and the Emperor is Male, if a female space marine were ever made it would look more or less like those female body builders on steroids, that and the organs would most likely fail, and the Woman would die, and the organs and gene-seed wasted. a space marine gene-seed is worth about an entire army or platoon of normal troopers.
@Pooknottin The cannon comes from years of playing 40k both the tabletop and the video games, and actually enjoying it to the point of learning the backround lore, and The only council that involved the Emperor that was ever recorded was the Council of Nikaea which was to decide the fate of psykers and the use of Sorcery in the Imperium.
Now how about YOU stop spouting your nonsense seeing as how you yourself have nothing to back it up with.
You're making assumptions about my kowledge of the lore. I've been playing since Rogue Trader. I was a shop regular until they stopped allowing us in the shops. I have the sense to make my claims clear - if you really knew the background so well you'd have noticed I referenced the Sigilite (not something from everyday use and only mentioned rarely in the published background).
My objection was primarily to your assertions which are simply that - no support for them.
@Pooknottin I know who the silgilte is, he was the Emperor's primary advisor outside of the primarchs, and during the siege of Holy terra he was put onto the golden throne in the Emperor's absence to prevent the demons from flooding the man-made section of thr webway network and consuming the planet from within.
and my objections to you is that you keep claiming that there was a council to decide on what gender space marines should be, when there wasen't any, the Emperor just decided for male
@GovernorDerek The closest females get to space marines is the sisters of battle! They are also gene improved and use bolters and power armor. Even tho they are not as strong as space marines they have to rely on their fate. This is what i have gotten to understand about the female super soldiers of the imperium and i got the information to make these conclusions from the "Soulstorm" expansion right or wrong.
@alexisonfire700 Sisters of battle are not all that close to the marines, All Elite normal Human warriors and troops have gene therepy and slight genetic modification, a space marine however is still a warrior without peer.
About thier power armor, marines interface directly with thier armor like a 2nd skin, sisters don't.
So pretty much all thats common with the sisters of battle and the space marines is that they both use bolters, and they are both non co-gender orders.
@alexisonfire700 The space marine's genetic and cybernectic modifications allow them to interface with the armor because of the black carapace, sisters and all other Human warriors lack this important implant, because it only works on Males, and even then, more than half of the marine recruits end up dying from the surgery, or post-surgury complications, and this is not counting thier time as a scout, in which case they could die even then. Marines are taken from death worlds mostly too.
@Pooknottin The Sigilite was also a powerful psyker not nearly as powerful as the Emperor but strong enough for the Emperor to make him his advisor, he was also one of the main founders of the Administratum, and was present at the council of Nikaea, to help decide the fate of psykers.
Yes, he was also responsible for the foundation of the Inquisition and Assassionorum I belive, but that's quite irrelevant. I was pointing out that you were making an assumption about my familiarity with the background. I was pointing out that you were posting bold statements with no qualification for them. Granted, I have not posted linked resources to back up what I've said, but at least I've justified it a little. There's not exactly much of a resourse online save Lexicanum.
In addition, I have not insisted that I am right, nor have I asserted that there was a council. I have simply stated that it may have been the case as such is possible - most tyrants at least have a council even if they choose to dictate. Since there is no evidence to suggest that the Emperor took only his own council (although admittedly only one of his advisors is named and well after the primarch project) I propose that it is likely there was such an institution.
I'm pointing out that you're making assertions without any qualification. I am making an educated guess.
The Emperor is, or at least was a tyrant - supreme exectutive power wielded by one man = tyrany. It doesn't matter that it was a benign dictatorship. A dictatorship requires a dictator. You're confusing tyrant with sociopath.
No I am not. I really don't know where you got that idea from. You seem to be labouring under the misapprehention that I'm taking it as a moral question. It was you who made a moral issue of it. I made the simple distinction between a tyrant and a sociopath (which are not mutually exclusive by the way). You're either dodging the issue, or not understanding it.
I know it's fiction.
The Emperor is a gestalt of the remaining Golden-Ones - christ doesn't even get a look in.
how are the space marines racist??there are black and female space marines you know,there are space marines from every kind of people even irish space marines id imagine!!!and if you mean racist towards the other races in the universe they fired the first shot at the imperium making the worst mistake of there misreable lives!!!
LONG LIVE THE EMPORER!!
TO BATTLE BROTHERS,WE SHALL CRUSH ALL ALEIN,XENO AND HERETIC ALIKE FOR WE ARE THE ANGLES OF DEATH AND NONE CAN STAND AGAINST US
there are no female space marines, if your thinking about the sisters of battle then you really need to read up on your lore. Space marine gentic enhancements and extrea organs are made from the genetic code of the Emperor, if you try and put it into a female the organs will die, taking the girl along with it. only men and the strongest of men at that would even have a small chance of turning into a space marine. but there are space mariens of every color, but thats from the environment
everything else I agree with you however. sisters of battle wear a down-graded power armor, and use down-graded space marine weapons. so they cannot interface with thier armor, and thier weapons are weaker. sisters of battle are just space nuns with guns and armor that could take out a tank,
The Imperium is xenophobic because aliens are lying, murdering monsters out for their own survival. If you examine all the alien races you'll find they're the same (yes even the Tau). Fascist oppressors and xenophobic killers.
Re-read that comment lol it makes no sense. He is reporting an Unkown vessel as in they have no idea who it is not if its hostile or friendly. But being Hostile they have no idea who is attacking them.
One of my favorite things to do is have a buttload of warpspiders hidden in the web way and when some unlucky troop of soldiers passes the tear them up and dissapear easy
well, humans are pretty nasty in the dark future, but i also think that the tau philosophy is pretty rotten underneath that "wer'e the good guys" surface
The Imperium is corrupt. If you don't do what the Emperor tells you. They kill you. No questions asked. They control humanity with fear. And the 'higher ups' such as Inquistors or corrupt with power. So personally I don't like mind kind in the future.
Yeah... But the 'unite under a banner of death' means we'll all be dead dude. I'd rather just be part of a 'rouge' group of humans on some remote planet. Or just be a group of humans who joined the Tau. The Tau unfortunately can't travel across the galaxy that fast though. They don't Warp travel. =(
Yeah build plenty of webway gates by each of your buildings research the invisible upgrade at your webway. It will make all of your buildings invisible. And your guys can retreat to them if things go bad. also you can make your turrets invisible too so the enemy (usually orks) will walk straight into your fire and not even know it unless they have a guy who can detect you. Also if you build alot of gates you can make your army appear anywhere make them attack while the enemy passes and dissapear
Yeah. What about for starting off? Guardians are ok, but not that great. So. Should I get Guardians and Rangers? Or maybe Guardians and Banshees? This one thing that kinda keeps getting me.
I usually get 2 teams of gaurdians to catch points but save up for dark reapers and turrets but warp spiders are your best bet if you save up for them, theyr awsome if you teleport them behind the enemy and flank the shit out of them!
Yeah. Plus Warpspiders are great at harassing the enemy. I think a frontal assault with Darkreapers, and some gravlifts is good. Then have the Warpspiders flank fro behind.
i agree the necrons are a extremely dangrous force and the orks deadly with there "backward tech" but maybe the greatest threat other than the C'tan are the tyranids with there endless hordes and constant evolution. the Tau are a awsome race im going to collect but i was thinking of a human/tau race with humans who where abandond by the imperium. it sounds cool but i need a good story maybe involving chaos. anyway to end this ill say this space marines are bastards in "xeno rights" terms LOL!
Imperium for life!!, but why does no one mention the Orks, sure they're behind schedual technologically but their zerg possiblities are next to endless,honestly dont underestimate the Orks with a good leader
from warhammer 40000 we see that game in gamers station so i wish to see the video in that game
ultimatefire0909 3 weeks ago
Next time, include kroot T_T
Thearbiter84 1 month ago
@Thearbiter84 there were no kroot in fire warrior and he/she didnt make it
TheRuddydoom 1 month ago
@DEMIGODofWAR7 Faggot is a loud annoying person often a harley rider. Learn your words.
wicNKWD37 6 months ago
@DEMIGODofWAR7 You troll :D I want to buttfuck you like it was the fourth of July!
wicNKWD37 6 months ago
@DEMIGODofWAR7 The south Korean command is very proud of them. They would whop your sorry ass in seconds.
wicNKWD37 6 months ago
@DEMIGODofWAR7 South Korea has a full female elite spec ops unit.
wicNKWD37 6 months ago
So? There are also females in military special forces. And as I said badass women are rare, like until now only one female has passed the FDF Para Jäger training.
In the end what counts as an elite unit is only a matter of definition and does not affect the actual performance of the unit.
Moreover you can diss units that have female members but don't complain if you get pussywhipped by an 16,2g Lock Base penetrating your ballistic protection.
Suojeluninja 6 months ago
@DEMIGODofWAR7
"in real life no elite units have females"
Oh really? So what you are saying is that all special forces that have/had female members do not count as elite units?
In that case for example the Austrian Cobra does not count as an elite unit. Sure badass women are rare but they do exist.
Suojeluninja 6 months ago
its not a crappy game
Danielthephenom 7 months ago
thats so bullshit
kvarntobben 9 months ago
Wow those talking about female space marines have got to be oblivious or retarded. The success rate of survival is under FOUR PERCENT when using the most PHYSICALLY STRONG MALE humans they can find ACROSS THE GALAXY. How would using FEMALES in this process be even REMOTELY a good idea? Females could never survive the 15 year process of becoming a marine, simple as that.
brainsare 10 months ago
@brainsare They'd still function well as meat shields, which is what Space Marines tend to ed up as in most recent skirmishes. Besides, anything that can hold a gun can serve the Emperor.
theguywhoannoysme 9 months ago
Why destroy a ship if you could infiltrate Baneblades in it?
Willindor 10 months ago
The Imperium isn't just sexist and racist, it's...just plain wrong. :D
It's like dark ages europe rolled up w/ the excesses of the Crusades and the various Inquisitions along w/ some of the nastiest regimes in human history (from Imperial Rome, to Qin's China, to Nazi Germany)
There are NO 'good sides' in Warhammer 40,000 (even the Tau are ultimately questionable).
It's a grim...dark universe. I mean, that's the tagline of 40k: "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war."
lecroissant 10 months ago
You have battle sisters wich might be a sort of space marine
kvarntobben 11 months ago
@kvarntobben they only wear space marine look a like armour
ricardo15301 9 months ago
GovernorDerek and Pooknottin, you guys are arguing the same side of an old story, want some real fun? go on a starwars site and explain to them how the Imperium of Man would decimate the Galactic Empire. failing that, get laid.
Verzerus 1 year ago
@Verzerus
Nah, I'd rather not get involved in that kind of thing. Such is the province of the superhero fan, or primary school children arguing about who's Daddy is bigger.
On the other note - good point, I'll get right on it.
Pooknottin 11 months ago
All hail the Imperium of Man!
Omnes avete Imperium Hominum!
CommissarASSHOLE 1 year ago
That's first contact with humanity for ya ;)
TheMostSlyFox 1 year ago
black alert!? thats the worst color of all! no offence templars. " none taken, happens all the time." XD
albertpesker 1 year ago
@albertpesker ahahahhahaha
Bayliss27 1 year ago
I wanna see the entire Star Wars Galactic Empire vs. 2 maybe 3 Battlefleets of the Imperium. Seems like a fair enough fight considering that Cobra class destroyers are the same size as a star destroyer. 0.0
tornadomaximus 1 year ago
A bit wired just standing there saying o
My god intorder alert y not put the ship at full speed p well tau r firing ya
warhammer40kRJ 1 year ago
@warhammer40kRJ The Engines were damaged when the imperial ship attacked, had you payed attention you would've noticed the pilot say "Main drive down! Power loss total."
RubberJohnny08 1 year ago
We grt to play as Tau ?! I they have space marines,chaos,Ork's even battle sistsers yet they give you Tau -_-
Rudevald 1 year ago
It's quite simply BAD ASS, that's what it is....
ImperatorDerGalaxis 2 years ago 7
Jesus, it's only an EMPEROR CLASS BATTLESHIP!
THKSkywalker 2 years ago 7
Well, they must have some dozens
EmperorofTerra 2 years ago
wow where to begin..... Alright there COULD have been female space marines however after the emporor was crippled we essentially last alot of our tech nology and research. secondly anyone hear of adeptas soritas? I know they dont have the same genetic augmentations but they are as close as possible to female space marines. Secondly, the imperium is not worried about becomeing extinct the whole geneseed to make many more of us pretty much takes care of that. And all thearmies are somewhat evil
Kravockian 2 years ago
i thought in the horus heresy books they said that the genetic seed (sorry, im spanish, i'm not sure if this is the right translation of "semilla genética") doesn't work in women for some reason.
ArminMeiwes23 2 years ago
there is a kind of femal space marines, they are known as the sisters of battle. they are not gennetically enhacxed, like the space marinse, but they still have neet weapons and power armour.
WithinTemptaionRULES 2 years ago 3
Good, bad.
Orkzes is da shootiest of dem all...
duckmanham 2 years ago
clones of the emperor, he's a man so either they fucked up bad or were perverts to make female ones
Shoreyoo 2 years ago
@Shoreyoo sisters of battle are not made from gene seeds they are girls that parents served the emporor and were orphaned due the their parents death and sent to the scholara progenium.
Kravockian 2 years ago
i never said they were, i was saying if there were female space marines then something would have gone wrong because the emperor is male!
Shoreyoo 2 years ago
the imperium is neither racist nor pseciist and especially not xenoPHOBIC
the imperium is made from fire, steel, flesh and blood. the imperium is the materialized wish of the emperor and the emperors knows neither FEAR nor unperfection!!
amarok79 2 years ago
The Imperium is definitely not racist in the sense that we use the term today.... They are merely speciiest and hateful of other species. Indeed, there are entire sectors in the Imperium which are inhabited by humans of all races, such as blacks, whites, and Asians. In the Eisenhorn trilogy by Dan Abnett, Eisenhorn reflects on the fact that some worlds are inhabited entirely by blacks and this is more of the norm in certain sectors, while in others whites or Asiatic humans are more prominent.
ImperatorDerGalaxis 2 years ago 6
Female Space Marines aren't anatomically possible because the Astartes organs wouldn't grow properly. Testosterone is one of the necessary hormones required to successfully create a Space Marine.
Besides, the Imperium *is* sexist because humanity is facing the real threat of extinction. The fatality rates are so high that children have to be born as quickly as possible in order to offset combat losses. It sucks, but it's the only way.
Solarchos 2 years ago 49
@Solarchos
Female space marines are just impossible because you got to have balls of steel to be one of them ;D
solwen 1 year ago 3
@solwen well there are the sisters of battle that are like imperium space marines hahaha
sephxmon 1 year ago
@Solarchos if the Imperium is sexist then howcome they have Females in the Imperial Guard and what about the all female Sisters of Battle and the Female Inqusitors.
KingBowser22 1 year ago
@KingBowser22 Most of those IG women either have special dispensation from their respective homeworlds (a cultural thing) or, as they do on Cadia, if they're unable to have children, they're allowed to join the Imperial Guard. The Sisters of Battle are a holdover from the Vandire Apostasy and they're allowed to exist because of a weird phrasing within the Ecclesiarchy's bylaws forbidding "men under arms" (but nothing's said about women being soldiers within the Ecclesiarcy so that's fine).
Solarchos 1 year ago
@Solarchos You know, I always had trouble buying into that argument. Because the emperor was clever enough to make just about everything the imperium needed to survive including the golden throne, yet he wasn't smart enough to work around a few chromosome issues or something like that is a horribly flawed argument.
atlantiswolf 1 year ago
@atlantiswolf Ahhhh, but you're forgetting a major point: the Emperor *isn't* in charge any more (except symbolically). The Imperium of the 41st Millennium is nothing like the Imperium of the 31st Millennium. In the 10000+ years since the Horus Heresy (which he never saw coming) the High Lords of Terra and the Mechanicus have strayed immensely from his original vision. The Emperor *was* clever like you said, but the High Lords aren't nearly so.
Solarchos 1 year ago
@Solarchos
1. Women also produce testosterone. They just don't produce as much as men and produce more estrogen.
2. The Imperial Guard recruit women, but some regiments do not on cultural grounds. The Sororitas Militant were founded to take advantage of a loophole in the declaration of pacivity (or whatever it was called).
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@Pooknottin That comparative lack of testosterone may be what ultimately made the Emperor decide that female Astartes weren't acceptable. Remember - the Emperor had tens of thousands of years to experiment and design the Space Marine programme. He almost certainly would have looked into the idea and done some kind of research into it, but whatever the reason he chose not to pursue it.
You're right about the Imperial Guard though. Some worlds allow it, but most don't seem to.
Solarchos 1 year ago
@Solarchos
Actually the Emperor did not have tens of thousands of years to work on the Space Marine project. The Age of Strife wasn't exactly free-research-time and after that there was the Great Crusade. I'm not saying that he knocked it up in one night, but it was more short-term than several decamillenia.
Also if you can engineer organs which allow a recipient to absorb memories though digesting brain-matter you can manage simple tweaks like a testosterone defecit.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@Solarchos I mean quite true, men are meant for fighting and women for breeding, you do not need so many men to make babies, one men can impregnate as many woman as he want while a woman can only bear one man child.
MingTheMerciful 1 year ago
@Solarchos
The main reason why female space marines can't exist is that you got to have huge balls of steel to become a true Astartes :D
solwen 1 year ago
@Solarchos the female space marine is The SIsters of battle pretty much :P
Spacemarine341 1 year ago
@Spacemarine341 Not quite. Equipment-wise Sororitas and Astartes aren't that much different, but Space Marines are much physically stronger due to the extensive genetic enhancements they've undergone. A Battle-Sister is put through a hell of a lot of training, conditioning, and screening. What distinguishes a Sororitas from an Astartes is that they can use faith powers while Astartes can't, so they're by no means "inferior" in any way.
Solarchos 1 year ago
@Solarchos there are how ever Witch hunters and sisters of battle though they are regular humans in power armour not super soldiers.
cbear666 1 year ago
@cbear666 The Imperium isn't "sexist" per se. It's just that there cannot be female Space Marines.
ZakkLamm 11 months ago
@Solarchos at least your sight turns a bit happy with the sight of the adepta sororitas... but yeah, it sucks xD
HalBDeU 8 months ago
@Solarchos dude theirs trillions of humans how are they on the virge of extinction?
chitownzfinesthustla 8 months ago
@chitownzfinesthustla Simple, because on the million-or-so worlds of the Imperium at least HALF of them are under direct attack from Ork Waaaaghs, Chaos cultists and/or Marines, Eldar raids (Dark and Craftworld), Necrons, Tyranids (lots and LOTS of Tyranids), rebellions, mutant uprisings, Tau incursions, and at least a thousand other races all inimical to Humanity.
Solarchos 8 months ago
@Solarchos dude for one billions dude and have you ever heard of a hive world there are trillions of humans packed in hive cities if they were really that close their would be more room lol plus humans reproduce fast we could never go extinct the eldar are a dying race the tau are still a evolving people they only discoverd fire ten millinia ago the necrons can be defeated their not immortal. tyranids are like the zerg their just a hive mind find the queen kill her and their goes the head
chitownzfinesthustla 8 months ago
@Solarchos besides we survived the heressy the chaos gods are nothing to the empire plus their are still to missing primarchs and the orks are just fodder for my feet
chitownzfinesthustla 8 months ago
@chitownzfinesthustla Would that it could be that simple. Unfortunately, it's not. The 42nd Millennium is the long-awaited and much-dreaded Dark Millennium, and everything preceding it was just a prelude. I'm not saying that the Imperium can't fight and survive (Medusa-5 proved it can), but the 41st Millennium is going to look like peaceful and tranquil by comparison.
Solarchos 8 months ago
@Solarchos AND there are the Sisters of Battle.
nocliper101 8 months ago
@Solarchos Still, females aren't excluded from combat in the service of the Emperor. The process to create an Astartes could be modified to allow for the physiological difference, but it would require lost technology and the personal attention of the Emperor...which he can scarcely provide.
unnamednewbie13 6 months ago
@unnamednewbie13 That's the #1 problem to women serving in the Imperium's military in general - the Imperium is unbelievably conservative. BEYOND conservative: paralyzed in regards to innovation. Wdespread policy is that women stay on their homeworlds and make babies. On worlds like Cadia and Valhalla, women DO serve in the Imperial Guard. Still, worlds like Cadia and Valhalla are more the exception than the rule.
Solarchos 6 months ago
@Solarchos I think it's more because GW wants to avoid OMG BOOBS guards armies being built. Also, with as many worlds, cultures and even variants of the Imperial cult as there are, "conservative" in the Imperium is a loose term.
Women are spread all throughout service to the Imperium. Aside from the guard, there's the Imperial Navy, the Arbites, Sororitas, various Ordos of the Inquisition...the list goes on. Women occupy ranks far above even high-ranking guardsmen officers. Just not in SM.
unnamednewbie13 6 months ago
@Solarchos There are women everywhere in the Guard.
wicNKWD37 6 months ago
@Solarchos Horribly incorrect. Roughly half the Imperial Guard commands, both extinct and current, are either all female or mixed gender. I should point out that the only militarily active world in the Imperium that does not have at least one mixed or all female command is Tallarn.
FeralKnight 2 months ago
@Solarchos guess you don't know that females have more testosterone then men :/
maegnis 6 months ago
@maegnis Blame the Magos Biologis of the Adeptus Mechanicus and the Ecclesiarchy. They're the ones that make decrees like that.
Solarchos 6 months ago
The whole notion of female space marines come from ignorance and lack of common sense. The seed of Emperror could only be implanted in males. Period.
ScourgeofInfidels 2 years ago 4
@ScourgeofInfidels I think you're confusing sperm with progenoid glands mate.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
personally I think that the whole notion of female space marines seems to either come from feminists who are jealous and so hate the cannon of an all male super-trooper force, or from a less respectible aspect, from a nerd who has a weird fantasy fetish of a female space marine. the first option is the more likely reason though. also if there are female space marines, then why is there no offical info on them? and wouldn't it be wierd to call a female space marine brother?
GovernorDerek 2 years ago
Yes, you would call them sister... like a Sister of Battle. The power armour clad nuns with guns. I guess the science reason for no female space marines is that the DNA for the implants originaly comes from the Emperor, then came the primarks and then the individual space marine chapters. All the geneseed is based on male DNA and as a result is formed around an X and a Y chromesone. To make female space marines you would need a female equivelent of the emperor.
graydeath1 2 years ago
exactly
GovernorDerek 2 years ago
@graydeath1 Actually all males are essentially females to begin with. Genetically the genders are near identical save the one cromasome. That would not hinder genetic compatability with a transplanted organ.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@Pooknottin As far as I'm aware it's not like an organ transplant, it's not a matter of stiching in an organ and you're good to go, but it changes the very DNA of the prospective Space Marine, thus not having that Chromasome might actualy have an effect.
On another note... OMG are people still discussing this! Don't we have anything better to do with our lives?
graydeath1 1 year ago
@graydeath1
It's a small genetic component. At the most it might alter the gender of the recipient.
Yes, we're still talking about this. What exactly is there better to do in life that so many people are drawn to fantasy?
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@Pooknottin At most it might alter their gender? Wouldn't that mean that any new female initiates would become males, leading to all Space Marines being male?
I don't know, I'm between jobs right now so I do have a lot of time on my hands.
graydeath1 1 year ago
@graydeath1
Well it doesn't take much to change a person's gender hormonally. I would certainly think that was more likely than causing death. This of course is not a matter covered in the cannon lore, but I don't think Workshop have ever really bothered with this question much. They generally leave the difficult questions to the community. That said, I'm not surprised considering what their numerous excuses for dropping and reconing the Squat race are like.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@graydeath1 obvious troll is now obvious. we are on to you know, begone.
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek Eh... what? If I was an obvious troll how did I become an obvious troll? Also its 'we are on to you NOW, begone'.
I'll go if and when I choose to. In fact with such comments, I think designed to elicit a reaction I'd say YOU were the troll.
graydeath1 1 year ago
@graydeath1 sorry I must have sent it to the wrong guy. I was talking to pooknottin.
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek Oh, in that case sorry I snapped at you.
graydeath1 1 year ago
@graydeath1 its alright I would have done the same. we cool?
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek Of course :)
graydeath1 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek No, I'm not a troll. I'm quite sick of people who think that a person who doesn't bow to contention is a troll. It really says nothing for integrity if a person is expected to simply bow to contrary opinion, or shut up.
I've been playing, reading about and generally being involved in the 40k background since I was 10 years old - this kind of discussion is quite interesting to me. It's also something I become quite empassioned about.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
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GovernorDerek 1 year ago
From a game point of view it stems from the time when the model making process of Games Workshop was still much less advanced. They couldn't make Space Marines that looked female but still distinctive enough from Eldar. Now they have canon to consider, which they built up to explain the no female Space Marines. Now there are females in the guard, it's in the fluff. But can you find female guard models...
graydeath1 2 years ago
@GovernorDerek I don't think there should be female space-marines. The decision was made at some juncture to restrict the project to one gender. That gender happened to be the male one. I suspect a better background explaination for this decision would be one related to behavior as a group, rather than individual prowess, or physical compatability.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@Pooknottin No there was no decicion or council, it just is, the Emperor was the Project head and he used his own DNA to create the organs and the gene-seed. and the Emperor is Male, if a female space marine were ever made it would look more or less like those female body builders on steroids, that and the organs would most likely fail, and the Woman would die, and the organs and gene-seed wasted. a space marine gene-seed is worth about an entire army or platoon of normal troopers.
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek
Who are you exactly then, the sigilite? Where does this intimate lore of the Terebilitas come from?
Empty rhetorical nonsense with nothing in the cannon to support it.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
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GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@Pooknottin The cannon comes from years of playing 40k both the tabletop and the video games, and actually enjoying it to the point of learning the backround lore, and The only council that involved the Emperor that was ever recorded was the Council of Nikaea which was to decide the fate of psykers and the use of Sorcery in the Imperium.
Now how about YOU stop spouting your nonsense seeing as how you yourself have nothing to back it up with.
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek
You're making assumptions about my kowledge of the lore. I've been playing since Rogue Trader. I was a shop regular until they stopped allowing us in the shops. I have the sense to make my claims clear - if you really knew the background so well you'd have noticed I referenced the Sigilite (not something from everyday use and only mentioned rarely in the published background).
My objection was primarily to your assertions which are simply that - no support for them.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@Pooknottin I know who the silgilte is, he was the Emperor's primary advisor outside of the primarchs, and during the siege of Holy terra he was put onto the golden throne in the Emperor's absence to prevent the demons from flooding the man-made section of thr webway network and consuming the planet from within.
and my objections to you is that you keep claiming that there was a council to decide on what gender space marines should be, when there wasen't any, the Emperor just decided for male
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek The closest females get to space marines is the sisters of battle! They are also gene improved and use bolters and power armor. Even tho they are not as strong as space marines they have to rely on their fate. This is what i have gotten to understand about the female super soldiers of the imperium and i got the information to make these conclusions from the "Soulstorm" expansion right or wrong.
alexisonfire700 1 year ago
@alexisonfire700 Sisters of battle are not all that close to the marines, All Elite normal Human warriors and troops have gene therepy and slight genetic modification, a space marine however is still a warrior without peer.
About thier power armor, marines interface directly with thier armor like a 2nd skin, sisters don't.
So pretty much all thats common with the sisters of battle and the space marines is that they both use bolters, and they are both non co-gender orders.
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@alexisonfire700 The space marine's genetic and cybernectic modifications allow them to interface with the armor because of the black carapace, sisters and all other Human warriors lack this important implant, because it only works on Males, and even then, more than half of the marine recruits end up dying from the surgery, or post-surgury complications, and this is not counting thier time as a scout, in which case they could die even then. Marines are taken from death worlds mostly too.
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@Pooknottin The Sigilite was also a powerful psyker not nearly as powerful as the Emperor but strong enough for the Emperor to make him his advisor, he was also one of the main founders of the Administratum, and was present at the council of Nikaea, to help decide the fate of psykers.
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek
Yes, he was also responsible for the foundation of the Inquisition and Assassionorum I belive, but that's quite irrelevant. I was pointing out that you were making an assumption about my familiarity with the background. I was pointing out that you were posting bold statements with no qualification for them. Granted, I have not posted linked resources to back up what I've said, but at least I've justified it a little. There's not exactly much of a resourse online save Lexicanum.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek
In addition, I have not insisted that I am right, nor have I asserted that there was a council. I have simply stated that it may have been the case as such is possible - most tyrants at least have a council even if they choose to dictate. Since there is no evidence to suggest that the Emperor took only his own council (although admittedly only one of his advisors is named and well after the primarch project) I propose that it is likely there was such an institution.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@Pooknottin Your making assumptions then, surly such an important thing such as the foundation of the space marines would have been recorded.
Also the Emperor is NOT a Tyrant,
He does what needs to be done to Ensure Mankind's survivial as a species, but that does not make him a tyrant,
because a tyrant would love to be venerated as a god, yet he does not,
a Tyrant wouldn't give a damn about his species only himself, yet the Emperor does.
The Emperor is not a tyrant.
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek
I'm pointing out that you're making assertions without any qualification. I am making an educated guess.
The Emperor is, or at least was a tyrant - supreme exectutive power wielded by one man = tyrany. It doesn't matter that it was a benign dictatorship. A dictatorship requires a dictator. You're confusing tyrant with sociopath.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
@Pooknottin And your confusing the morals and sensebilites of today's world with that world. where our morals will only get us screwed 10 times over.
shit man it says in the very slogan, that there is no time for peace, respite or forgiveness, there is only war.
and the sooner you get that out of your brain the better, we arn;t talking about the real world here.
also in regards to anything and everyone else in the 40k world, the Emperor is pretty much jesus christ, who kicks ass
GovernorDerek 1 year ago
@GovernorDerek
No I am not. I really don't know where you got that idea from. You seem to be labouring under the misapprehention that I'm taking it as a moral question. It was you who made a moral issue of it. I made the simple distinction between a tyrant and a sociopath (which are not mutually exclusive by the way). You're either dodging the issue, or not understanding it.
I know it's fiction.
The Emperor is a gestalt of the remaining Golden-Ones - christ doesn't even get a look in.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
how are the space marines racist??there are black and female space marines you know,there are space marines from every kind of people even irish space marines id imagine!!!and if you mean racist towards the other races in the universe they fired the first shot at the imperium making the worst mistake of there misreable lives!!!
LONG LIVE THE EMPORER!!
TO BATTLE BROTHERS,WE SHALL CRUSH ALL ALEIN,XENO AND HERETIC ALIKE FOR WE ARE THE ANGLES OF DEATH AND NONE CAN STAND AGAINST US
GunmetalBreon 2 years ago 5
Avete Deus-Imperator!
ImperatorDerGalaxis 2 years ago
there are no female space marines, if your thinking about the sisters of battle then you really need to read up on your lore. Space marine gentic enhancements and extrea organs are made from the genetic code of the Emperor, if you try and put it into a female the organs will die, taking the girl along with it. only men and the strongest of men at that would even have a small chance of turning into a space marine. but there are space mariens of every color, but thats from the environment
GovernorDerek 2 years ago
everything else I agree with you however. sisters of battle wear a down-graded power armor, and use down-graded space marine weapons. so they cannot interface with thier armor, and thier weapons are weaker. sisters of battle are just space nuns with guns and armor that could take out a tank,
GovernorDerek 2 years ago
space marines are the best
RKOsome 2 years ago 2
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why is everyone so ready to support such a racist and evil army such as the space marines?
jasonrevall 2 years ago
Space Marines aren't racist. They are just defending the Emperor.
pronislaw 2 years ago 7
I guess they're more Xenophobic than Racist
tehpevis 2 years ago 33
@tehpevis
The Imperium is xenophobic because aliens are lying, murdering monsters out for their own survival. If you examine all the alien races you'll find they're the same (yes even the Tau). Fascist oppressors and xenophobic killers.
Pooknottin 1 year ago
ALL of the armies in the 41st Millennium are evil, or at least at dark grey. Face some reality.
Caithness19 2 years ago
Except orks, because they are green.
atnasomfg 2 years ago
REALLY? Green iz best....
What about the Dark Angels?
Caithness19 2 years ago
die in the name of the emperor....xenon scum...u are nothing but dirt benith our mighty imperium boots.....burn by our holy fire....burnnnnnn
man0204 2 years ago
Uh huh, and all those pods are repelled by a LITTLE TAU TRANSPORT SHIP. Hahahaha owned imperium.
Apothecary32 2 years ago
SPACE MARINES FORWARD!
The Tau look like a genetic experiment between the Blue Man Group and a goat.
captainnickface 2 years ago 2
EAT it xeno scum!
Potatonaught 2 years ago
fire warrior was an epic game.... especially for its time
BFGWTF 2 years ago
FOR THE EMPEROR!
tldragonking 2 years ago 2
Ave Imperator! Gloria Imperatori pro semper! Mors alienis omnibus!
That's real Latin too....
PaterTuus 2 years ago 2
Tau just got OWNED! FOR THE EMPEROR! PURGE THE XENO WITH FIRE AND SWORD!
sonofguillimann90 3 years ago 4
SUFFER NOT THE XENO TO LIVE!
ghhyrd 3 years ago 2
WAAAGH!
kallemort 2 years ago
ITS A TRAP!!!!!!!
pokerpunk0512 3 years ago 5
hahah are all the Tau japanese?
empyreanlc 3 years ago
Pretty much:P
wedgeh05 3 years ago
GW admitted they were inspired by anime.
Perktube1 3 years ago 3
more like Chinese in my opinion
Shugotenshi47 3 years ago
Either Chinese or Russian for the Tau. The Eldar are more Japanese in my opinion.
LordTacos 3 years ago 6
the voice acting SUCKS
Pkfreak001 3 years ago
Tau just got -click left- -click right- OWNED!
ALL HAIL TO THE EMPEROR!
ALL SINNERS FEAR THE EMPERORS WRATH!
MasterOfTheTrance 3 years ago 4
KIll the xenos!!! And burn the heretics!!!
azuer143 3 years ago
"Unknown vessel approaching!" Well DUH! If it's shooting at you, you know it's not friendly!
teencomment 3 years ago
Re-read that comment lol it makes no sense. He is reporting an Unkown vessel as in they have no idea who it is not if its hostile or friendly. But being Hostile they have no idea who is attacking them.
randomusernamemygod 3 years ago
Tau suks... IG!
Steeve149 3 years ago
Yeeearh! Go spacemarines! Go purge that xenos scum!!! (I dont like Tau...)
Andracor 3 years ago
One of my favorite things to do is have a buttload of warpspiders hidden in the web way and when some unlucky troop of soldiers passes the tear them up and dissapear easy
SteelWool91 3 years ago
also a good idea is to make a seperate base somwhere else if things go really bad of course make it invisible too!
SteelWool91 3 years ago
Look fun. By the way. Do the Tau also travel through the Warp, or Webway?
LitttleD94 3 years ago
I dont see why so many love the aliens and hate the imperium, isnt anybody proud to be human?!! lol
SteelWool91 3 years ago
well, humans are pretty nasty in the dark future, but i also think that the tau philosophy is pretty rotten underneath that "wer'e the good guys" surface
SquigPie 3 years ago
i think that its either we be assholes or we get killed by everybody else!
SteelWool91 3 years ago
The Imperium is corrupt. If you don't do what the Emperor tells you. They kill you. No questions asked. They control humanity with fear. And the 'higher ups' such as Inquistors or corrupt with power. So personally I don't like mind kind in the future.
LitttleD94 3 years ago
tau=join us or die!
Imperium=Die (unless your human)
so I guess tau is a little bit better than the imperium but they are no saints.
NECRON is where its at, they want to unite all under the banner of death! EVERYBODY IS WELCOME!!!!!
SteelWool91 3 years ago
Yeah... But the 'unite under a banner of death' means we'll all be dead dude. I'd rather just be part of a 'rouge' group of humans on some remote planet. Or just be a group of humans who joined the Tau. The Tau unfortunately can't travel across the galaxy that fast though. They don't Warp travel. =(
LitttleD94 3 years ago
It was a joke LOL
But I agree with you, to be honest though im just glad that the 41st millenium is fantasy.
Although it is cool to fight in (on a computer of course!)
SteelWool91 3 years ago
Hahah. Yeah. It would make for an interesting future I must say. By the way do you play Dawn of War? If so. Do you have any Eldar tips?
LitttleD94 3 years ago
Yeah build plenty of webway gates by each of your buildings research the invisible upgrade at your webway. It will make all of your buildings invisible. And your guys can retreat to them if things go bad. also you can make your turrets invisible too so the enemy (usually orks) will walk straight into your fire and not even know it unless they have a guy who can detect you. Also if you build alot of gates you can make your army appear anywhere make them attack while the enemy passes and dissapear
SteelWool91 3 years ago
Yeah. What about for starting off? Guardians are ok, but not that great. So. Should I get Guardians and Rangers? Or maybe Guardians and Banshees? This one thing that kinda keeps getting me.
LitttleD94 3 years ago
I usually get 2 teams of gaurdians to catch points but save up for dark reapers and turrets but warp spiders are your best bet if you save up for them, theyr awsome if you teleport them behind the enemy and flank the shit out of them!
SteelWool91 3 years ago
Yeah. Plus Warpspiders are great at harassing the enemy. I think a frontal assault with Darkreapers, and some gravlifts is good. Then have the Warpspiders flank fro behind.
LitttleD94 3 years ago
i agree the necrons are a extremely dangrous force and the orks deadly with there "backward tech" but maybe the greatest threat other than the C'tan are the tyranids with there endless hordes and constant evolution. the Tau are a awsome race im going to collect but i was thinking of a human/tau race with humans who where abandond by the imperium. it sounds cool but i need a good story maybe involving chaos. anyway to end this ill say this space marines are bastards in "xeno rights" terms LOL!
stringdog911 3 years ago 3
Tau kick YOUR and everyone elses ass
Xaint900 3 years ago
Wooooo Tau Rule
FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Lexaus2 3 years ago
Bwahahaha! The Dark Eldar will drink your souls!
stephanieib01 3 years ago
Don't be so sure :p :D
Xaint900 3 years ago
Weeaboo Space Commies.
Echelon030 3 years ago
...no.
Xaint900 3 years ago
Yes, and you know it.
Tau are nearly exact analogs of a romanticized Maoist China. And are played by Weeaboos.
Echelon030 3 years ago
is it just me or do the tau sound aisian
flameboi911 3 years ago
GO THE IMPERRIUM!!!!
For the emperor
ShagrathThedarkness 3 years ago 3
For the Imperium of Mankind!!!
Disturbed355 3 years ago 5
Imperium for life!!, but why does no one mention the Orks, sure they're behind schedual technologically but their zerg possiblities are next to endless,honestly dont underestimate the Orks with a good leader
VexVexDeathBeam 3 years ago 2