Edward Tarte, Apostate, Burned at the Stake

[ballerine11]

Poor Jeanne de Arc. Canonized in 1920, about 300 years too late. Liars.

[call2see]

the catholic church cant burn people any more because they cant get away with it.

but if they could you know they would.......fear is power.



[Pillowpants8495]

@call2see No kidding.

[dingodavid]

Don't hold your breath Edward. After all, it took the church 360 years before it finally apologized to Galileo for what it had done to him.

[freiheitsalv]

hey I'm ex-Catholic, now atheist, i wanna know if there's some way i can be de-baptised or something :lol: so i won't appear in the catholic church figures, because i think they count all the baptised people as catholics, even though they do not believe in god or their particular faith anymore :S is there any process?

[smittyx3]

because of the love that my parents have for me and hopefully i will experience some day with my own children.

[smittyx3]

All I would Say to you is this, can you prove you loved your mother or that your mother loved you? NO, can you prove a God?NO, so tell me how does the catholics church's messing up a million times prove atheism correct? Church officials are human, not God. Therefore, even though I am a catholic and i support Gay marriage does not mean that the church is correct. I do not need pure undeniable proof of much because undeniable proof does not exist. I will always believe in God until the day I die

[luishomeroremohsiul]

@smittyx3 lol

[lilrvrgrl69]

hehehe, they wish they could! I'm going to guess that over 50% of those whacks would still love to burn us at the stake. Just sayin...

[JustAnotherMutant]

lilrvrgrl69, with the number who believe that you deserve to be burned for all eternity, that group being the majority wouldn't surprise me, however Pew reports tend to indicate a somewhat lower figure. More of them appear to want to convert you instead of burn you.

[Sonofspam64]

Why does God condemn every child born with the guilt of Adam and Eves sins? When God decided to forgive us for what Adam and Eve did, why did he require that his own child be murdered brutally as a vehicle to forgive us?

I forgive people all the time without murdering my own kids, does that make me morally superior to God?

[JustAnotherMutant]

Sonofspam64, Nick Gisburne pointed out that you might also be his equal in powers. /watch?v=B3CZypRo5Hw

With equal powers and superior morality, sounds to me like it's time to start collecting worshipers.

[MrAtheistpower]

Great video sir.

Keep fighting the good fight against superstition and hate in hope that one day this world will be a more rationall and understanding one.

All respect to you.

[C45SAA]

Could you make a video about the influence or Augustine and Aquinas on Catholic Doctrine as presented to you during your seminary training? Fr. Barron just made a video about Aquinas extolling his influence. I think (without being a student of either "Doctor of the Church") that they are largely responsible for the Church's negative attitude toward women and sexual relations.

[code933k]

@C45SAA Very interesting point. Perhaps Augustine has more to do with "sexuality", though Aquinas (promoter of prostitution -City of God-) is responsible for quite a lot of issues concerning Catholic conceptions of the world. I was glad when J.D. García Bacca (A well known ex-Jesuit) specialist in Aquinas, pointed out how aberrant and personally disgusting was Aquinas adaptation of Aristotle to the Christian dogma. Even the proper notion of "creation" is a misreading of Aristotle.

[shkotay]

Ed, glad to see all this :D Like you I was stuck in a religious mind-mess for years as well. As I grew, and asked more question, more showed up religion couldnt answer. Gaps got wider where all ppl could do was say "god dun it". It finally got to a point where I couldnt support the lies and patchworks anymore and had to drop it. Science and the sceptical practice has been the best thing I have ever done. Great video, supporting of gay rights. Ppl should just be allowed to be ppl.

[afz902k]

These videos are great, because they are very clear.

[ChameleonBoy100]

Old man do me a favor and die please? While ur at it burn in hell. Thanks :)

[SnakeVsCobra]

@ChameleonBoy100 I hope you don't mean that. That's really not something I'd ever wish on anyone.

[xalspaero]

you sir, are a bad-ass!

[iversonmatthew]

This is why you are one of my real life heroes Mr.Tarte. That was so well said!! Thank you kindly for sharing your wisdom :)

[Annieubble]

Ed, I have a challenge for you. You have challenged me, so I am reciprocating. Do you have the humility to admit that you might be wrong about the existence of God? Are you 100% certain that He does not exist?

[edwardtarte]

@Annieubble,my position is the standard atheist/rationalist/scientific position.What I hold to be true is subject to reevaluation if new evidence would emerge.I have the attitude(call it humility if you want)that is typical of people who employ the scientific method:I am not 100% certain that there is no God,but I am pretty close to 100%,in a similar way that I am pretty close to 100%,but not 100%,certain that Bertrand Russell's teapot, orbiting the planet Jupiter, does not exist .(continued)

[edwardtarte]

@Annieubble (continued) To supplement what i have said in trying to answer your question, I have sent you on Facebook two videos from my favorites collection, 'How to Convert an Atheist, Parts One and Two', which express quite well my position, which is the prevalent position of atheists.

[elvigia666]

@Annieubble Even if this god existed, you still have everything to prove, ranging from "it is my god" , "he wrote the bible" or "he inspired the bible" and all the way along to "he created the universe", "it needs workship"..etc.. that's a lot of work, that nobody in 2000 years has been able to do.

[Annieubble]

@elvigia666 I'm not out to prove God's existence. I am not trying to convince anyone here that they have to believe what I believe. I'm simply saying what I believe.

[devante11]

@Annieubble

"I'm not out to prove God's existence. I am not trying to convince anyone here that they have to believe what I believe. I'm simply saying what I believe."

Of course you cannot convince anyone----->>you have NO evidence in which to do so

Simply saying what you believe is neither here nor there

Truth is not a belief ----->>truth is confirmation of facts---seeing you go on NO facts, hence your belief---->which is, absent of facts, why do you bother LMAO

[angelajaynemartin]

@Annieubble

Which god are you so sure about Annie? How do you know that you are right?

[Annieubble]

@angelajaynemartin I've answered this question before on Ed's other video comments. In order to answer your question competely, I'd have to have a 4 hour conversation with you. This is about my entire life, my experiences, etc.

[angelajaynemartin]

@Annieubble

In other words, you have no evidence and your fictional god can't act to prove itself, as any real god could.

Face it, you were told by others that your god is real.

You believe in a lie.

[SnakeVsCobra]

@angelajaynemartin Athiest talk a lot about acting logically, yet, this comment is illogical. To take my very short reply and come to the conclusion you did is like this: if I try to explain calculus to a five year old in 2 minutes, it really can't happen. So then the five year old concludes that calculus does not exist.

[angelajaynemartin]

@SnakeVsCobra

Can your fictional god act in any way? No. It's fictional. It exists only in your head and your fellow believer's heads. That's why I and others call theists liars.

[Annieubble]

@angelajaynemartin That response was from me yesterday. I was logged in under a different user.

[invisibletime]

thank you Mr . tarte for this vid and the link to The Face Of Discrimination

[awesomemohawk]

Edward Tart is super awesome!

[havvyweponsman]

I am honestly disgusted that anybody could watch that documentary and dismiss it out of hand as lies. I don't have the words to express it.

[edwardtarte]

@havvyweponsman, I wholeheartedly agree with you. But, assuming that she watched it, that was the reaction of annieubble. In this video I said that I was disappointed, but that is an understatement. For any apparently decent person to dismiss that documentary out of hand as lies is truly disgusting to me. That is an example of what religion does to people.

[Annieubble]

@edwardtarte For a college graduate and educator, I'm surprised you didn't notice the way this film manipulates people's emotions. Typical in propaganda. 

[edwardtarte]

@Annieubble.of course gay rights/marriage is a partly emotional issue,as were/are slavery,women suffrage,Afro-American's rights,etc.But I support gay rights/marriage simply because it is right and just.The words you use,'manipulates'and 'propaganda'are themselves emotionally charged;I am NOT surprised that you used them.Religion uses emotion relentlessly and is surely propaganda.We have no reliable knowledge of what Jesus said and did nor of his purposes. (continued)

[Annieubble]

@edwardtarte You don't understand what I am saying. I'm not talking about the issue, I'm talking about the way this film was directed and edited.

[edwardtarte]

@Annieubble (continued)The doctrine of original sin has no foundation in evidence.It is repulsive,odious, demeaning,false.The doctrine of a'scapegoat'figure atoning for others' sins and for others' innate sinfulness based on imagined disobedience of a fictional original man and woman,and doing the atoning by a blood sacrifice to please a god who has never furnished proof of his own existence,and requiring that I accept this'atonement'or go to hell,is unspeakably immoral on multiple levels.

[Annieubble]

@edwardtarte I have to say that at all costs I try to never be crass. Just this once, though, in order for you to understand what I believe, I will step out of my comfort zone. In YOUR OPINION, the things you stated are immoral. In my opinion, the act of two men gratifyting each other sexually thru anal sex does not represent what love is. I apologize. And I say this: I do not hate homosexuals. I do not wish harm to them, either. I only say that lust and love are not the same thing.

[lea135791]

@Annieubble

You forget that for most people in stable, loving relationships, sex is an expression of that love. just because it isn't as religious texts dictate, doesn't mean it is always reduced to simply "gratifying" two people. heterosexuals engage in sex for gratification, yet it's generally not considered as wrong as if gay people do it. just doesn't make any sense to me.

[Annieubble]

@lea135791 I have strict beliefs about sexuality, and I realize that not everyone shares my beliefs. I was just pointing out to Ed that if he thinks his opinion is valid, then it is reasonable to consider that other opinions could be valid as well. I believe that sexual behavior is a wonderful gift that is used to reinforce and support a married couple. I also believe that it is sinful for ANYONE to use this outside of marriage or with contraceptives as well.

[Annieubble]

@havvyweponsman I am honestly disgusted that anyone can read about Christ's passion and dismiss it as a pack of lies.

[havvyweponsman]

@Annieubble Let's assume for the sake of argument that the passion really did occur. It's not really a sacrifice, is it? Be killed for three days and then become God for eternity? But it's worse than that. You believe Jesus was God all along. What amount of suffering could possibly approach even trivial levels of suffering for an infinite being? How would his suffering hold a candle to the suffering of your fellow mortals (who, might I add, definitely exist)?

[Annieubble]

@havvyweponsman My statement was in response to a comment about where a person was disgusted at me for quoting Hitler on lies. Jesus is God and man (human). He is not half and half, but fully God and fully man. His suffering was worse than anything because He took on the weight of all sins ever committed, and atoned for them. What could be worse than that?!

[havvyweponsman]

@Annieubble "What could be worse than that?"

Eternity in hell.

[Annieubble]

@havvyweponsman I agree that eternity in hell would be the worst thing ever, and that is why Jesus died, so everyone could have eternal life. I realize you don't believe in God, so you probably don't believe in Satan, either. But, Satan is the reason peoople are so afraid. The Church tells us, 'Be not afraid.' A priest once told me that God has prepared a beautiful home for each one of us in Heaven. That is where we all can and should go. Jesus' gift is for all.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@Annieubble Tell me this, is someone puts a kiddie pool full of mud in front of someone where they won't see it, and then that person steps in it and gets all muddy, and then the person who put the mud there in the first place says "I am giving you this towel as a gift, all you have to do is accept it. Now thank me and worship me for giving you the free gift of this towel." Tell me if that is much of a gift or not. Can Satan also accept god's free gift? Certainly he has read the bible too.

[Annieubble]

@HonestTechnoAtheist Satan can accept God's gift, yes. He rejected it and continues to for all eternity. This is a mystery because he knows with his full intellect the choice, and he is fixed in it. His enormous pride prevents him from being able to repent. God still loves him, but Satan does not love God or want that love. The analogy of the mud doesn't seem aplicable because sin cannot be committed by accident. I thank and love my parents for giving me life, and everything else. cont..

[Annieubble]

@HonestTechnoAtheist When someone does something good for me, it follows that I feel grateful and it builds our relationship. That is what it is all about with Jesus. I am eternally grateful that he humbled himself to become a human. He suffered in all the ways I do, and freely died for me. I am not obligated to accept this, just as I am not obligated to accept things my parents have given me. I really fail to understand why anyone would reject His love.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@A something that was put in our path. We didn't try and sin, god made humans immperfect and set obstacles in their way. The tree and the snake. Then when they run into them, they get punished. And yes sin can be commited by accident, thought crime is a perfect example of that. Love is not sending someone to burn forever if they reject you. It is not setting someone up to fail and then offering yourself as a way out, that is blackmail. If god loves everyone so much then he should feed everyone.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@Annieubble But WHY does Satan reject god, that was my ?. Unlike us, he doens't need faith, he has SEEN god, hell, heaven, angels, demons. He knows for 100% certainty that it all exists. He walks by sight and not faith. He has read the bible and knows what will happen to him in the end. If he is smart, then he should know that there is no way he can beat god, and should just give up. If he cannot on account of pride, then god has taken away his free will. The mud still applies because it is...

[Annieubble]

@HonestTechnoAtheist You have made an error here, as far as what the Church's teachings are. Even in one's thoughts, a sin can only be committed with that person's consent. For example, to look at someone and think they are attractive is healthy and normal. To notice that they are sexually appealing is also healthy and normal. At that point, a person can choose to take the thoughts and cross over into lusting. A thought (even recurring) is not a sin in itself. Cont...

[Annieubble]

@Annieubble A sin in one's thoughts can only occur if the person willfully consents to that. We all have all kinds of thoughts. It is not out of the ordinary to have thoughts of revenge, sexual, or any other number of things. That isn't necessarily sinful. It is what a person decides to do when the thoughts come. To answer your Q about Satan. I am completely at a loss to understand why he would choose to disobey God for eternity. No one has ever been able to completely understand that.

[Annieubble]

@honestTechnoAtheist The last message was a continuation--I forgot to address it to your name. This is part III. About Satan, his pride does not negate free will. It is his actual sin. He knows the bible inside out, that's true. He won't give up and that is a huge mystery. I am baffled by that. Have you ever felt alone and in need of love? That is what hell is, the loss of God and love. Imagine eternity being cut off from the source of love.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@Annieubble I might be able to answer it though. God needs someone to blame everything on. Satan was invented later on to explain why humans act so wickedly. God and Satan are like good cop and bad cop, although I think god would have to be the bad cop. How many people does god kill in the bible? A million? How many people does Satan kill? 10 maybe? To this day I cannot get an answer as to why god even made Satan at all when he knew what would happen because of it.

[Annieubble]

@HonestTechnoAtheist In light of your being an athiest, this is all a moot point. There is no God or Satan, so these questions and/or comments aren't valid.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@Annieubble And it is also human nature to be mean and aggresive. For men, testosterone is the hormone that controls aggression. But the bible and god don't seem to know a whole lot about that. The just think that acting aggresively is a sin.

I am glad you are honest about why Satan doesn't repent either. As I said, he doesn't need faith, he has directly witnessed everything, and knows for a fact that it is all real.

[Annieubble]

@HonestTechnoAtheist It is human nature to be mean and aggresive? I'm not mean and aggresive.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@Annieubble It can sometimes be part of male human nature to compete, and sometimes this can include aggressiveness.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@Annieubble Jesus says that to look after a woman with lust is adultery in the heart. And to look at someone for sexual appeal IS lust. So you don't seem to know what Jesus said very well. To get angry with someone is the same as murder in the heart. This is another thing that Jesus said. To get mad at people is also human nature. So god has something involuntary as thought crime be a sin.

[Annieubble]

@HonestTechnoAtheist Pope John Paul II wrote a document called 'Theology of the Bible'. It is available to read online. It is a frank writing on how the Church views sexuality. If you were to research this, you would see that to look at someone with lust is not the same thing as a thought coming into one's head. If we didn't have sexual thoughts, how would we realize we were attracted to someone? Lust is a choice. To objectify a person for one's own pleasure is what Jesus is talking about.

[HonestTechnoAtheist]

@Annieubble Now you are committing the appeal to authority fallacy. Just because person X says it it must be the case. Lust is the EXACT same thing as thought coming into your mind. There is no difference between a lustful thought and a thought coming into your mind. Although after the lustful thought has come into your mind, then it can go further, and that is where it can become a choice. But tell me, if it didn't go further then how do relationships start? Jesus wasn't very smart.

[SAHBfan]

Traditionally Catholics preached that all non Catholics burn in hell. The Second Vatican Council (1965) conceded 'the Holy spirit might move in other Churches'. So it opened the door to allow some other Christians into heaven. It also stated that it wasn't your fault if you never hear the gospel, so a few natives cut off from civilisation might get in, too.

The rest of us who know of, but don't accept, Jesus (the vast majority of everyone who has ever lived) we still go to hell.

Allegedly ;-)

[NavajoJoe66]

The Catholic church is obviously a man-made institution.

[42317]

Didn't John Paul II. officially apologize for crimes in the name of Christ committed by Catholic churchmembers? I found that act pretty surprising, but I do not know what he included and what not.

[Annieubble]

@42317 He apologized with a very exhaustive list of things. The Church believes in doing forms of penance along with apologies in order to atone or make reparation for the sins and faults of the past. JohnPaul II was a great man.

[Annieubble]

I have one more comment on this subject, then I plan to refrain from commenting again. This is a distraction from the truth. Ed does this, and I think he likes to stir the pot with controversial accusations. There are documents online that clear this matter up, and explain in much better detail what the Church says about this than I could say in a sound bite. The Church has publicly apologized for the wrongs that were done. I see this: anti-Catholic bigotry. Who's the bigot?

[jacobreinvented]

@Annieubble Well, as long as they apologized for - destroying the period of classical knowledge, dragging the west into the dark ages of primitive superstition, nearly 2 millenia of; brutal totalitarian rule, crusades, inquisitions, torture, death and ignorance -not to mention their modern crimes of; covering up thousands of cases of child sexual and physical abuse, denouncing condom use, and bigotry... then I guess everything is alright.

[Misterb0z]

@Annieubble I appreciate that you don't want to be dragged back into the discussion, and I respect your right not to answer, but it seems to me that you haven't really addressed Edward's point. You rightly point out that the church has apologised for wrongs done in its name in the past. Can you not imagine the church in future apologising for denying gay Catholics the right to marry?

[edwardtarte]

@Misterb0z, you are correct. She has not addressed my point; since the Catholic Church has been wrong and immoral about important matters in the past, is it possible that it is wrong and immoral about one or more important matters right now? The answer is yes. It behooves Catholics and all people to make moral judgements not simply on what their church or their priest or minister or some holy book says, but on a concept of what is loving, decent, caring, compassionate.

[Annieubble]

@Misterb0z According to my faith, I am required to trust the magesterium in their judgement. I think that could be interpreted as someone blindly following. I call it obedience. The painful things that happened in the name of Christianity are the mistakes of people, not of the truth of God. It isn't all cut and dried. And I don't give a widesweeping, "Hey, the inquisitions were great!", because they were not. There was Judas in the beginning with Christ, and many 'Judases' since. Cont..

[Annieubble]

@Misterb0z Cont. The difference between Judas and Peter is that they both 'denied' Christ, one despaired, the other one repented. We have many Peters, as well. And we have many other 'types' within the Church. One wise priest I knew once said that the Church is a hospital for sinners.

[Misterb0z]

@Annieubble Thank you very much for your response. It's interesting that you bring up the analogy of Judas. From a secular perspective, Judas had a very clear and pivotal role in the story of Christ's death. Judas cannot be said to have been acting under his own free will. I wonder then, if Catholics should view the bumblings of different popes throughout history in the same light. Are their mistakes by design, so that we might learn from them? Is obedience to such errors praiseworthy?

[Annieubble]

@Misterb0z The way I understand this is that God used the circumstances with Judas' betrayal to accomplish the act of redemption through His Son. It wasn't his 'will' that Judas sin, but he used it for good. The Church teaches that all men (mean human) have free will. If Judas had not betrayed Jesus, God's will could have been accomplished through other means.

[CrimsonHearld]

Don't forget, 200 years ago after the church tortured you and if you reconsidered your apostasy , they would strangle you before they lit the fire. If that isn't Catholic compassion, I don't know what is...

[KiaOra53]

Excellent video Ed. Thank you.

[Christheatheist1]

As a grateful, recovering ex catholic I deeply appreciate your advocacy of common sense, gay rights and general decency. My late brother was gay and his life was a horrible struggle because of the catholic church and homophobic people who attend it.

[SkittlesTheLucario]

If you tell lies enough...isn't that why so many believe such things as religion? lol

[flyingfisbeefilms]

My dear friends Laurent and Jean Marc are visiting this week end. They are a gay couple that have been together for 40 years. More years than a lot of hetrosexual marriages. That's all I wanted to say really.

[Brusselpicker]

Thank you Edward for yet another intelligent video. A truly sane voice in a world of madness. I am a heterosexual man with many gay friends of both sexes and I also support marriage rights for homosexual couples. I will post this video on my Facebook page and urge my friends to view.

[nicksum29]

There is no doubt that evil deeds were done (and continued to be done) by evil men in the name of Christ. This does not negate the relevance of faith in God, the meaning of faith, and its truth. Anyone who uses scripture to condemn - no matter what scripture tells us -, is not only un-Christian, but unfair, cruel, and is desperate need of grace. The Bible is not the measure of man. Christ is.

[edwardtarte]

@nicksum29, but I have said many things about that issue in videos such as 'Was Jesus a Good Teacher?' and 'What Jesus Could Have Done', as well as 'Jesus' Promises re Prayer' and 'Original Sin--Redemption by Jesus.'Also concerning 'faith and its truth', my video 'Evidence vs. Faith' is relevant: evidence, not faith, leads to truth. I am not unfair, nor cruel, nor in need of whatever imaginary entity you call 'grace'.

[byteresistor]

@nicksum29 You cannot follow christ without the bible, because christ's instructions to a morally good christian lifestyle aren't found elsewhere. If you acknowledge the bible also contains immoral teachings then you are just picking and choosing if you only follow the good teachings.

[philstilwell]

@nicksum29

Faith has nothing to do with truth. It is gullibility. Nothing less.

And this "Christ" that is claimed to have paid for the "deserved" eternal torment as deemed by a "loving" god with a mere 3 days dead is clearly an absurdity, and exist only in your twisted imagination.

[VigilanteNighthawk]

@nicksum29

My issue with your comment is, why would a being who is all knowing, all loving, and all powerful, write a book that could so easily be misunderstood or exploited? Why would this being even need a book at all? Think about it.

[kleenex3000]

@nicksum29 "The Bible is not the measure of man. Christ is"

Genius - where is the image of JC being CREATED? Accurately, within the Bible. In fact the Bible is not a measure, since JC=Jesus[Christus(=TITLE)=Anoi­nted Person (Savior)] never existed. He EVOLVED, out of the posthumous glorification of the assassinated JC=Julius Caesar. BTW: If you are in "desperate need of grace" then I LMAO. Create your own meaning of life, and rather forget this christophilic nonsense.

[code933k]

@nicksum29 Please expand on "the relevance of faith", ""the meaning of faith" and "the truth of faith" at times where fundamentalists of "faith" do harm members of their species based on those three items. Looking forward for a concise, punctual answer. Cheers.

[SiriusMined]

@nicksum29 "Anyone who uses scripture to condemn - no matter what scripture tells us "

There is plenty in scripture that is worthy of condemnation.

[ironbru24]

You could also include saint Thomas More, burned people for owning a bible in English and was made the patron saint of politicians by the previous pope.

[ekhaat]

"...If yo tell a lie often enough, people will believe it..."

Yes, she is so right about that; it is what religion does.

You can tell her that I said this.

Cheers

[Annieubble]

@ekhaat Why would Ed tell me that when I can read it myself? 

[ekhaat]

@Annieubble Damn, you're right about that, too.

Cheers

[Annieubble]

@ekhaat You just made me chuckle. Hahaha.

[ekhaat]

@Annieubble That makes me glad.

On the subject of "...telling a lie for long enough...", I think we have to accept, that it goes both ways.

And I hope you will agree with me that many atheist here on youtube encourage people to think and learn for them selves.

My impression is that religion does the opposite.

Of course, if I tell somebody something that I believe to be true, I'd LIKE them to believe me, but most of all I'd like them to do their own thinking (and agree with me :-).

Cheers

[ESLJUNKIE]

Ed, are you gay?

[edwardtarte]

@ESLJUNKIE, no. I say that in one of my other videos.

[ESLJUNKIE]

@edwardtarte I was just curious. I did not think it was a rude question, since you are so open about your life here. Which video do you discuss this on?

[edwardtarte]

@ESLJUNKIE, I invite you to watch my video 'Live and Let Live', and I refer you to the exact time 1:01 in that video.

[ESLJUNKIE]

@edwardtarte Thanks Ed.

[105Mittens]

@ESLJUNKIE Unless you want to date him, why would you ask?

[ESLJUNKIE]

My question was just out of curiosity about Ed. He is very open on YouTube, so I didn't think it was a rude question.

[nicksum29]

@ESLJUNKIE Is that at all relevant? Are you aware that most gay people are religious?

[ESLJUNKIE]

Ed, there was something called the Second Vatican Council. You might want to look into it.

[edwardtarte]

@ESLJUNKIE, the Second Vatican Council took place during my priesthood, and I was and am well aware of it and what it did. It is not necessarily reliable to tell one's 'tone of voice' and 'read between the lines' in reading written comments, but I'm not sure that I can feel good about the 'tone of voice' that I detect in your comment. If you want to be clear, please tell me what you dislike about what I say in the video, and explain why you dislike it.

[ESLJUNKIE]

@edwardtarte I find a lot of your comments about Catholicism are very extreme and they do not acknowledge the nuance present in a lot of theology. You go for a lot of shock value on your videos telling people the Catholic church says you will burn in hell, etc. I think to the vast majority of users on here, that for the most part have little understanding of theology, take your comments at face value because you are a former priest. That point gives you a lot of credibility.

[ESLJUNKIE]

@edwardtarte Cont. However, I find a lot of omissions and errors in some of your representation of Catholic positions.

[no2religions]

What child raping, wealth amassing, progress retarding, superstitious scam-factory would Jesus defend? In a public forum no less.

@edwardtarte What would the official church terms be for someone like Annie? Should she even be engaging in this discussion?

[Annieubble]

As far as my beliefs about homosexual marriage go, just because you shout 'bigot' louder than I can speak, doesn't mean I am a bigot. That is like the little boy who puts his fingers in his ears and screams to drown out his mother's voice. I will not accept that I am a bigot because I believe marriage is a holy institution created by God so that a man and a woman could help each other to grow in holiness, loving each other with total surrender to one another.

[lonewolfzeta]

@Annieubble Perhaps you should study the history of marriage a bit more.

[Annieubble]

@lonewolfzeta You can't go back further into history than to the first book of genesis.

[angelajaynemartin]

@Annieubble

The writers of Genesis existed before they wrote the book of Genesis.

[Annieubble]

@angelajaynemartin What does that mean?

[JoesephKatana]

@Annieubble That's your definition of marriage, its very different from the legal definition. I believe Mr. Tarte's point is that if you wish to deny homosexuals the legal ability to marry solely based on their sexual orientation, you are discriminating against them and hence being bigoted.

Since marriage is (according to you) a "holy institution", would you also deny atheist couples to marry? What about pagans? Your religious version of marriage is irrelevant to the secular version.

[ytbabbler]

@Annieubble You are free to believe whatever you like, but don't expect others to live their lives after your faith.

The rights for ALL even them you personally don't like is a thing in the real world, based on moral and laws, not any silly fantasy story. pfft , wake up.

watch?v=tpz8PMcRJSY

[Annieubble]

There are two important things to note here: 1.) Roman Imperial Law 2.) Those 'claiming' to be Christian, while secretly practicing Islam, or some other non Christian religion. The punishment was sentenced and carried out by civil authorities, and that also was for other non religious crimes as well. Those found guilty of trying to subvert the faith were not just 'apostates', they sought to get into the Church so as to create damage. A traitor.

[C45SAA]

@Annieubble First you can't distance the church from the state in those states controlled by the Papacy. Separation of church and state was unheard of. The trials were conducted by clergy & clergy were present during the public executions. Prisons and torture chambers were located within the Vatican's Castel St. Angelo. That building housed the Office of the Holy Inquisition and today, the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. Please clarify your last comment about apostates creating damage.

[photodube]

I like your math and music videos Edward, but videos like this one are the reason I subscribe.

[petehjr1]

@Edward: it wasn't a critique but a clarification. People are quick to excuse the past and "god" saying it was all just the belief of the time. It says in the Bible to torture and kill apostates and witches. How more black and white (and dead wrong and Immoral) does it need to get.

[Blackmark52]

I had mentioned burning at the stake in a previous video of yours. When I returned to find my comments gone, I assumed you had thought the notion inflammatory and had removed them.

Most people relegate such things to the distant past. They fail to realize that the (Spanish) Inquisition didn’t end till 1834. I can’t find reference to when the last apostate was actually burned, but the fact is that the church had its hand in condemning people to death as late as the 19th century.

[rangergxi]

@Blackmark52 The English Inquisition killed 100,000 people! 50,000 Protestants under king Henry and another 50,000 Catholics under Queen Elizabeth.

[Marchawc]

Anti apostasy laws run along the lines of Mafia morality - once your in, you can't get out and if you try you'll get "whacked" for dissing the mob. "You gonna show some respect to Mr. Big if you know what's good for you. Look what he's done for you, you owe him." Yip, the Mafia code of honor, then there's all the money fleeced off the people on their turf. This is how people behave when they aspire to the power of gods.

[no1saphead]

The church sounds just like North Korea ,Stalin's rule of law , the KKK  and the NAZI'S.They must have gotten their rules from close study of the the Bible.

[mrx0066600]

She unleashed quite a bit of projecting with her response.

[LAnonHubbard]

The Catholic Church is a disgusting institution. They kept silent during the rise of Hitler. They threatened Galileo with torture. They protected paedophile priests. Ratzinger is directly culpable in the last wrongdoing. I could go on and on... They are not just financially comfortable: they are filthy rich while others starve - they even have their own country! Disgusting. The mythical figure we call Jesus would've been very disappointed in what they stand for.

[AmericanGayAtheist]

This is why we must make sure that religious bigots do not get a stronghold on our nation or we will go back burning witches at the stake (and gays and apostates)! Edward, as always, insightful views from a man who found sanity and escaped the prison of religious beliefs. You are free in a way that believers could never be. I wonder if it ever occurs to believers that the only reason they DO believe is that they were brainwashed at a young age before their reasoning skill could develop??

[LAnonHubbard]

@AmericanGayAtheist "I wonder if it ever occurs to believers that the only reason they DO believe is that they were brainwashed at a young age before their reasoning skill could develop?? "

They should do - it's so obvious (well, to me anyway!). It's a shame believers are so closed off to rational thought. Good on Mr Tarte for waking up and freeing himself from the shackles.

I'm from the UK and worry about the recent proliferation of faith schools here...

[Lilaan]

@AmericanGayAtheist or... their ego is too big to let go of heaven



[petehjr1]

You are wrong Mr. Tarte. You (and I) would have been arrested (if a mob didn't get us first) dragged before a court, thrown into a prison. Been starved, beaten, tortured, forced to confess and recant. If we were lucky the authorities wouldn't seize our families and land if we held any land. Then more torture and indefinite imprisonment until our brutal execution, by hanging, stoning, strangulation or burning. The Infallible Holy Roman Church.

[edwardtarte]

@petehjr1 ok, so I'm wrong. Thanks for setting me straignt.

[byteresistor]

Some religions only act nice when they don't hold the reins of law and power anymore. If they were given that power back I wonder what would happen... Oh wait, no I don't, I KNOW what would happen.

[disrxt]

The only reason the Catholic Church doesn't burn apostates at the stake anymore is because they can't get secular authorities to carry out their executions anymore. Damn the Enlightenment, it ruined all their fun.

[masticina]

Truth shall set one free, the leaders of the church... they rather want to retain the current status.

I mean condoms.. sexual education, equal rights for everybody..not something church approved.

[bowlsallbroken]

The Church, since the Renaissance, has been continuously dragged kicking and screaming towards more ethical positions - always a step behind secular society.

Yet the Church and its supporters maintain that it takes a leadership position in matters of morality. What a laugh!



[mrblacksheep1o1]

Hello Mr.Tarte.