The AA Monopoly

[sidecrank]

I just wonder because AA was Christian based if that is why this man is so obsessed about running AA down?

[MILISA99]

Is AA for everyone? I honestly don't know. After 35 yrs of drinking I have stayed sober for 10 yrs using AA. I would never force AA on anyone nor do I denounce other methods of staying sober. Is Peale an alcoholic? I have never heard him state that he is. Remember, he is promoting a book and attempting to become famous with his ideas. AA is non-profit. To me, he seems more anti-AA than pro-sobriety. Peale, leave AA alone. What has AA ever done to you?

[Hammersley1967]

[1]

How can it be that alcohol treatment programs are working from the scientifically untenable disease concept? A key factor is the majority of paraprofessionals in the treatment sector who define themselves as “recovering alcoholics”. The largest single category of direct service staff in alcohol treatment programs consists of counsellors without professional degrees, many of whom were once heavy drinkers and now claim special qualification to help others by reason of their own experience.

[Hammersley1967]

[2]

Since their own treatment was effected at a time when the disease concept of alcoholism was dominant, they tend to have faith in the old dogma and perceive any challenge to the disease concept as a challenge to the validity of their own emotional ordeal and conversion to sobriety. Furthermore, because this group of service staff has no scientific or professional training, they tend to be (like most people who are not scientists) relatively unconcerned about the issue of scientific validity.

[scumgod13]

Why force AA on anyone,it has a %95 failure rate.For the 5% it helps Hallelujah!But I stopped drnking 8 yrs ago(After getting OUT of AA) so I have a problem with forcing it on people!

[scumgod13]

I am a recovering drunk who thinks forcing AA on one is totally wrong.

[Paseosinperro]

@scumgod13 from your experience, do you think AA helps in anyway?

[scumgod13]

@Paseosinperro Oh yes, some people find sobriety in AA. I was saying court appointed, parent pressure, husband, wife pressure into AA will do the person no good.I'm a firm believer that ya have toreally want to stop to do so.In my case I was spending more time in withdrawals,DTs and having seizures than I was drinking.I'd get locked away in jail and they'd gimme a Xanax.When you're used to a liter+ a day 1Benzo isn't going to help.It got harder to drink than it was to stop.

[scumgod13]

@Paseosinperro As I said,I've seen people find long term Sobriety through AA.I didn't,I tried something else.I disagree with how the Old Timers at AA will insist it's the only way to stay sober.How dare they?If someone stays sober by slamming his Penis in a car door more power to him. I am not POWERLESS over alcohol.It's true that my chemical make up makes me continue to drink after I start,it becomes and obsession.But its my choice to take a drink.RATIONAL RECOVERY!

[Paseosinperro]

@scumgod13 Yes, thats what I think o f AA as well. The only way to stay sober....of course not. RATIONAL LIFE!!

[scumgod13]

@MyLesPaulcopy-,why not allow people to choose how they want to treat their addictions if they indeed have one?Only 5% of 1st time DUI offenders have a problem with alcohol

[SuperFreshie]

I have a choice to make about where my life is going. Either go to AA or go to jail. AA is a messed up cult and it has worked it's way in the justice system. I curse Bill W. and Dr. Bob for ever starting this shit.

[lonearnie307]

just thinking when drinking or druging with anything be it coffee,tea, food ,pills ,the list is long.

we seem to look to change the way we feel a the moment.

maybe the problem is just stress,of a world gone wrong ?

the loss of true honesty and integrity of mankind.

that without freedom,we just have a dictatorship,this world is what it is and hopefully we all may someday rest in peace.

WE LIVE WE DIE ,WHO CARES JUST LOOK AROUND YOU,THE END IS NEARING FOR ALL I THINK,MANKIND IS A JOKE .

[Hammersley1967]

In this video, Stanton says that AA has "really gotten into the American crawl" due its consistency with American culture, which he attributes to its protestant revivalist historical roots and flavour in combination with the disease concept "loadstone".

One question:

What about the rest of the Western and non-Western world where it has also flourished exponentially?

[notspeedy0314]

h-AA's own 2008 membership numbers:

Members in U.S 1,213,269

Members in Canada 95,443

Members Overseas 616,899

Internationalists 65

Lone Members 227

Total Members: 1,989,260

of the total membership, 61% is US-based. 'overseas' numbers are so negligible they aren't even broken down along western/non-western lines. 776K members outside the US hardly suggests 'flourishing exponentially'.

i'm hardly a fan of peele's, but his point here is dead-on. AA's wider US appeal is old-time religion.

[Hammersley1967]

So 61% of AA membership is constituted by citizens of a nation that constitutes 4.5% of the world's population...

THAT IS ONE HELL OF AN OVER-REPRESENTATION!!!

[notspeedy0314]

i don't make the news, i just report it.

yeah, AA (as i would guess NA & all the other XA's) is largely an american phenemenon.

[Hammersley1967]

I'm assuming that these are AA's OWN stats...

Do you know were I can get hold of them?

You see, I'm researching how (up until the dawn of the recent post-alcoholism era) the notion of "alcoholism" and/or "addiction" as a "disease" has come to gain almost universal acceptance across the globe.

So, from the stats that you just cited, it would seem that a significant factor is the dominant cultural sway of the United States over the rest of the western and non-western world.

[notspeedy0314]

yt won't pass links in comments. go to aa's site & search 'Estimates of A.A. Groups and Members'. they also publish a 'pdf' breaking membership down along lines of ethnicity, age, gender, job, etc. (e.g., only 6% of AA's membership is black). search 'Membership Survey'.

william white's (an AA proponent)"Slaying The Dragon" is an excellent historical resource on the subject. his papers on the 'disease' controversy are interesting & available on the web.

[Hammersley1967]

Is that you?

[Hammersley1967]

SORDIDTRUTH, quickcap, rimshot2008, tumescent 345, etc, etc...

IT IS YOU!!!

[Hammersley1967]

Have you also taken to impersonations of other youtubers now?

Not only that, your impersonations are being created to support the comments of your other fraudulent profiles such as Mautzyeager.

Is this the "program"?

Now I understand! I've been doing it all wrong! I thought it was about honesty and integrity!

Just goes to show - the AA cronies were right! Stick around long enough and you WILL get it...

From now on deceit and cowardice will be the order of the day!

[justanotherface123]

They can not counter any statement made in any of our videos against their precious religious death cult so they must use the only thing they have left - The blatant lie and confusion.

People who are responsible for these impostor profiles do not care if they kill those seeking help with their disinformation and deliberate lies. Make no mistake that they are trying to kill anyone seeking help.

Their making of impostor profiles is a demonstration in desperation and it is still failing.

[Hammersley1967]

Amen to that!

The more I am exposed to these 12 step zombies, the more I become convinced that AA, in and of itself, is a "demonstration in desperation"...

[dix345]

They are not secure enough in their faith to be tolerant. I, certainly, do not expect them to be. And, on the internet, there are no consequences.

[isegoria1]

Here is a fact - Only a coward would attempt to post here pretending to be me. You are a moron, I know what you are up to.

I also know you have sent out emails to my subs and friends attempting to present yourself as me. I have had all of these emails forwarded to me and thus forwarded to You Tube.

[isegoria1]

AA is the first to claim a False Dichotomy. This is typical of religious organizations.

[tumescent345]

I had a girlfriend in High school who wore falsies. Without them she had those little fried-egg breasts with perky nipples that were hard all the time. What a girl!

[Hammersley1967]

Cor!

Stop it!

[Brough1111]

The basic ideal of AA was originated by Dr.

Carl Jung, it has members that are Buddist,

Muslim, Hindu, Catholic, Baptist and many

that have no religious connection. No one has ever claimed that it's for everyone it's for people that want it.

[Hammersley1967]

[1]

The basic ideal of AA was originated by the early 20th century CHRISTIAN movement, the Oxford Group, founded by the American CHRISTIAN missionary Dr. Frank Nathan Daniel Buchman.

[Hammersley1967]

[2]

The "spiritual" practices of the Oxford Group were:

1) Admission of personal defeat (You have been defeated by sin).

2) Taking of personal inventory. (List your sins.)

3) Confession of one's sins to another person.

4) Making restitution to those one has harmed.

5) Helping others selflessly.

6) Praying to God for Guidance and the power to put these precepts into practice.

Sound familiar?

AAers love to cuddle up to Jung as a means to shake their religious roots.

[Hammersley1967]

[3]

The correspondence between Wilson and Jung (which took place in 1961) served as a mere validation to Wilsons program which in fact was merely a verbose expansion of the original Buchmanite doctrine.

Indeed, many non-AA biased historians discount the Rowland Hazard/Carl Jung version of events as a complete fabrication and attribute the origination of the strategy of scaring alcoholics with threats of death and declarations of hopelessness to Dr. William D. Silkworth - not Carl Jung.

[Hammersley1967]

[4]

Indeed the response from Jung to Wilsons in 1961 (22 years AFTER the 12 steps were written) shows that Jung all but denies telling Rowland that he was a hopeless case:

"The reason that I could not tell him everything was that in those days I had to be exceedingly careful of what I said. I had found out that I was misunderstood in every possible way. Thus I was very careful when I talked to Rowland H. But what I really thought about was the result of many experiences with men of his kind."

[Ciada91]

One of my favorite books written by Peele is:

7 Tools to beat Addiction.

I'd also reccommend:

AA is not the only Way, Melanie Soloman

[raytownloc]

AA can be cult like in that people have that sort of infectious enthusiasm that they are keen to spread to others, but I don't think that necessarily means that the organization has ulterior motives. Wanting to help alcoholics stop drinking is not a sinister secret plan, and in my opinion the real snake oil salesman are those who criticize AA and try to sell their own solution. They are furious that drunks and junkies could be doing this work for free when there is money to be made!!!!

[raytownloc]

There are two kind of people out there trying to help alcoholics. 1) People who were once practicing alcoholics themselves and want to help those who are still suffering, and 2) People who want to make money from them.

AA is full of the first type and this man is clearly the second type. AA is not, and has never claimed to be the only way. Also, I have never heard the word Jesus uttered, nor any scripture quoted in an AA meeting (as far as I am aware of).

[Mukwa72]

Go fuck yourself and your dogmatic brainwashed babble!.

[Mukwa72]

Some of you people are stupid on here!. The truth is out there about the origins and real motives of AA but you still insist even in the the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary that AA is the only way?!.

[rockyroad4003]

If you think you are an atheist, an agnostic, a skeptic, or have any other form of intellectual pride which keeps you from accepting what is in this book, I feel sorry for you. If you still think you are strong enough to beat the game alone, that is your affair. But if you really and truly want to quit drinking liquor for good and all, and sincerely feel that you must have some help, we know that we have an answer for you.

[rockyroad4003]

Usually the family should not try to tell your story. When possible, avoid meeting a man through his family. Approach through a doctor or an institution is a better bet. If your man needs hospitalization, he should have it, but not forcibly unless he is violent. Let the doctor, if he will, tell him he has something in the way of a solution.

[lighwave]

AA is a cult.

[Enantiodromialist]

"If he gets drunk, don't blame yourself. God has either removed your husband's liquor problem, or He has not. If not, it had better be found out right away. Then you and your husband can get right down to fundamentals. If a repetition is to be prevented, place the problem, along with everything else, in God's hands." Ch. 9, "To Wives". This is the essence of the AA faith-healing scam. The "Program of Recovery" is just a bait-and-switch for fringe-religion evangelism. AA is pure crap.

[rockyroad4003]

you are an AA though and we both know it.

[tkatschuk]

Dr. Stanton Peele, isn't an alcoholic himself, so he will never really know the truth, he can study and talk shit as much as he likes, but he'll never know the real truth about AA and alcoholism as a disease unless he becomes an alkie himself and 'experiences'.

[honestlyopen]

try to not talk about a.a for 24 hours,bt you cannot ! :)

[clint0nc0llier]

You want to play Monopoly, old woman? I AM THE BOOT! 449, Dog!

[bastardrob]

Spiritual desease >

[bastardrob]

Your right it works .

[isegoria1]

"You're now defining the problem as one of "honesty" rather than illness."

It is about honesty. Nothing is done in our lives without a choice. Just because it was a bad choice now it is a disease?

[jagerbeer]

You are a moron...

[tumescent345]

(1)"honesty" we are getting into semantics here, and again, you said that AA claims relapses are the fault of those who didn't get honest. Yes. The alcoholic must get honest with himself about his condition - that he is an alcoholic and cannot drink safely. "The idea that he will somehow will control his drinking is the great obsession of every abnormal drinker.The persistance of this illusion is astonishing. Many pursue it into the gates of insanity or death. We learned that we had to concede

[tumescent345]

(2) concede to our INNERMOST SELVES (self-honesty) that we were alcoholics. This is the first step in recovery. The delusion (dishonesty) that we are like other people, or presently may be, has to be smashed. Big Book, page 30.

This is what honesty/dishonesty and "powerless" means in AA. It is the first step in AA recovery. "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol" It is very basic, very simple and very important. Unless the alky  accepts this principle, he will likely relapse.

[tumescent345]

"empirical" - you might look up the definition. You chose the word, not me.

[tumescent345]

People who don't get honest with themselves about their problem often relapse. That has been demonstrated over and over. Empirical evidence of AA efficacy is abundant. Just walk into any AA meeting. Alcoholics often seek medical or other professional help to stop drinking or even to maintain their sobriety. These same professionals often regard AA as an important adjunct to what they provide.

Some people with other problems (NA,GA,OA) have "borrowed" the 12 step model and find it helpful.

[isegoria1]

None of them get honest. They duck the personal responsibility and take no action. They just blame it on a disease. They will say and do anything but get honest with the fact that they drank of their own volition. They drank to escape and because THEY LIKED IT!

[tumescent345]

If you went on with your quote just a bit further, it says "remember, we deal with ALCOHOL". Alcoholics Anonymous is ALCOHOLICS (repeat - ALCOHOLICS) Anonymous. If you have OTHER problems, get OTHER help for your OTHER problems. AA is not a drive-thru, one-size-fits-all cure for every problem and has never claimed to be. Why blame AA?

[tumescent345]

AA literature is perfectly definitive in stating it's "singleness of pupose". It is read aloud at every AA meeting - "our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety" I don't believe that AA could be any clearer. The books and pamphlets are replete with declarative statements about this. Your earlier comment concerning counselors, etc is correct. Too often they send people to AA inappropriately. Don't blame AA

[tumescent345]

We agree. People with other issues should be referred elsewhere.

[tumescent345]

We may be going a bit circular here. Treatment centers are about de-tox and residential "therapy" Ha, ha.

AA is about STAYING sober. That's what people in AA do - stay sober and help eachother. AA really doesn't have ANYTHING to do with treatment centers, detox or insurance although it is often recommended for aftercare

Want to get rich? REALLY rich? Come up with an effective treatment, cure or prevention for alcoholism.

[tumescent345]

You switched the subject from treatment centers to AA. Insurance companies want results and do not like paying big bucks for 3 hots and a cot. Most of all they do not like paying for multiple relapses. When (and if) a better way comes along, the gravitational pull will go away from AA and toward the new, new thing.

[tumescent345]

The treatment industry is comprised of many thousands of independent businesses who compete with eachother for the insurance dollar. Each of these independent and competing facilities would like to come up with the "new" idea. Peele would like to come up with the "new" idea.

AA is the gravitational center of most treatments for alcoholism because nothing better exists.

[tumescent345]

It's a free marketplace. If there was something better, the world would beat a path to it.

[jwalsh67]

Unless Dr. Peele is a recovering alcoholic himself, he has limited credibility in my opinion.

[TedinCorrales]

This guy is a quack!

[TedinCorrales]

This definition was prepared by the Joint Committee to Study the Definition and Criteria for the Diagnosis of Alcoholism of the National Council on Alcoholism and Drug Dependence and the American Society of Addiction Medicine:

[TedinCorrales]

Definition of Alcoholism

"Alcoholism is a primary, chronic disease with genetic, psychosocial, and environmental factors influencing its development and manifestations. The disease is often progressive and fatal. It is characterized by continuous or periodic: impaired control over drinking, preoccupation with the drug alcohol, use of alcohol despite adverse consequences, and distortions in thinking, most notably denial."

[danteleman]

123... I am not disagreeing with the recovery rate of AA vs other options. What it is I am asking is "What option for alcoholics/addicts do you recommend other than AA." Simply, Where do they go and what should they do? What if one does not have financial resources or support? Where do they go if they can not break the cycle of addiction?

[telethon123]

I went to SOS, which is just simply a support group (no "program"), and I found it helpful. It's also free. I've heard very good things about SMART and Women for Sobriety as well, and they are also free, secular support groups.

Personally, having been through it, I think people overstate the value of any kind of help. Ulitimately it's the individual who has to overcome his or her addiction. It's a myth to say that a person can't do it, when indeed s/he is the ONLY one who can.

[danteleman]

I don't understand. "People overstate value of help." "Individual has to overcome addiction." "He/she is only one that can."

My brother is has chronic alcoholism. He no health insurance, lost his job and children, divorced and on a second DUI.

The courts sentenced him to AA. It is the only time in his adult life he has seemed to recover. He quit attending and began drinking a year or so after that. I want to find something that will work for him.

Should he not go back to AA?

[telethon123]

If he didn't like AA, that's a pretty good reason not to go back. At the time he was getting better, he had just gotten another DUI. This is a time of high motivation (I've been there), and he probably would have done well during that time with or without AA. Motivation is key to recovery.

It sounds like he could use support, so a group like SMART or SOS might suit him. There is no getting around the fact that at first it's extremely tough, but many people have endured it.

[raby760]

And that motivation fades away after time, even while going to AA if AA is not helping him. You said that motivation is the key to recovery, and I agree. It's just finding something that keeps that person motivated, and unless that person is religious, then I don't think AA will keep him motivated.

[quickcap]

When you're attending meetings,staying sober,and involved with people committed to getting better, good things begin to happen. When they do, it's the most exciting and most motivating experience I've had. My life was TRANSFORMED by AA. Motivation to continue? You bet!

[telethon123]

Also, you might check out Rational Recovery's AVRT method, which I find helpful. Just google AVRT and go to RR's website. There's a "crash course" section. It's a cognitive approach to dealing with cravings.

Does your brother want to quit? What did he think of AA?

I'm really sorry about your brother, danteleman. I know how badly he is suffering.

[danteleman]

i just checked RR and AVTR. looks good however we (brother and i) have had many talks and i dont think this is something he can "think" his way out of. he's not very rational. he actually liked AA and the guys he met there. first time he had sober friends to hang with and none of them were God freaks. hope he returns but i dont want to push him in fear of pushing him away. he doesnt do well when alone since his divorce but he wont make it more than a couple years if he keeps going at this rate.

[telethon123]

It sounds like he may have bought into the powerlessness doctrine of AA.

Unfortunately, he's going to have to "think" his way out (i.e. use his prefrontal cortex to override his limbic system) no matter what method he uses. AA just does this by placebo effect (praying your way out). If he's really not very rational then AA may work just fine for him, especially if he believes in God. At least it would give him a peer group.

[danteleman]

Bought into powerlessness by AA? Please dont joke. This is serious. My brother is not rational at all. Before going to any AA my brother lost a marraige & kids, license, job/business... prefrontal cortex needs to override lymbic system... are you kidding me? His brain is soaked in booze! I don't care what affect works on him, placebo or real. I just don't want to lose him and this Rational stuff doesn't sound Rational. Alcoholics aren't rational. WTF?

[telethon123]

I'm not joking. If he bought into the AA doctrine that he is completely powerless, then his chances of recovery are diminished, IMO. It's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

You'd be shocked to find how many alcoholics do still possess the power of reason. Perhaps your brother isn't one of them. If he can convince himself that God or unicorns or gnomes will relieve his alcoholism, then AA may work for him, but if not he'll have to find his own strength.

[danteleman]

Telethon, after closer listening to Dr. Peele im aghast at this man. Listening closely he is coming off as a quack. He says, (paraphrase) "Jews as a people train themselves not to obsess, therefore dont have alcoholism" Also after reading your other posts i find that taking your advice is foolhardy. You said "sentence alcoholics to Islamic morning prayers."

[telethon123]

There's no easy answer, danteleman, and you can't help your brother. He has to help himself, and it's going to be exceedingly difficult. Early sobriety is hell - that's why so many people fail. Everyone I know in recovery says that they had to get to a place where they grokked that alcohol was causing more suffering than it was alleviating. Some people have a higher threshold than others.

I wish you and your brother all the best.

[quickcap]

Telethon, I really do believe your first intentions were good - but giving advise has responsibilities. You did OK until you started with the "unicorns and gnomes " stuff. You crossed the line. Shame on you. BTW, you're still obsessed with your twisted idea of "powerless", and in this you needlessly attempted to infect an innocent person with your extreme negative attitudes.

[danteleman]

Quick, Iv actually spent more time watching all of Dr Peele's u-tubes & rather than helping alcoholics it seems he is more interested in attacking AA. Does Dr Peele have any non-negative videos? Telethon's comments too have a negative anti-AA streak. I just want some constructive answers on HOW to help my spiraling brother get sober. I dont want WHY NOT AA.

[quickcap]

dantelman - check your messages.

[danteleman]

123,

Thanks for your advice but i feel as if im going back to my original posting. Seems like the rational recovery stuff is more about whats wrong with AA than recovery of suffering alcoholics. Does Dr Stanton Peele have an hour on the internet re how to help families and alcoholics recover. Or does he and you just bash AA and God? P.S. im agnostic.

[danteleman]

If Dr Peele could please show another treatment method that equals or betters AA it would be greatly welcomed. Although Dr Peele's credentials and awards do certify him as credible in his profession, and since he did pioneer such groundbreaking books as Love & Addiction in 1975, I hear no mention or case studies of his success?

[telethon123]

Every other treatment method is equal or better than AA. Numerous studies (Valiant, Project MATCH, Harvard, AA's surveys, etc.) have all come to the same conclusion. The rate of recovery for alcoholism is 5% a year, with or without AA.

AA is no better than quitting on one's own, and exposure to AA doctrine has actually been shown to increase binge drinking.

[danteleman]

123... I am not disagreeing with the recovery rate of AA vs other options. What it is I am asking is "What option for alcoholics/addicts do you recommend other than AA." Simply, Where do they go and what should they do? What if one does not have financial resources or support? Where do they go if they can not break the cycle of addiction?"

What do you suggest?

[Hammersley1967]

No, you DID NOT ask "What option for alcoholics/addicts do you recommend other than AA?"

In your original comment, you explicitly asked "could please show another treatment method that equals or betters AA?"

And telethon123 answered that question accurately and thoroughly...

[quickcap]

Something should be done. Would it be possible to get an injunction against AA?

[schwacked1]

I'm athiest and it working fine for me. I've tried just about everything and noting has worked for me so after 25 yrs of drinking, drugging, prisons and hospitals I'm sober and happy. Can't argue with that can you?

[pjbergin]

Sure I can.

[telethon123]

It's always the last place you look, isn't it schwacked1?

That's not really what we rational folks call logical.

[quickcap]

why are the most effective treatment not being used?

[quickcap]

If you have a successful treatment method, the world will beat a path to your door.

[pjbergin]

It's called "harm reduction". Reasonably succesful where implemented, certainly more so than praying to Jesus, which works for some religious nutballs, but isn't for everyone. No imposed "therapy" can be universally "successful" (how do we gauge success?, as many addicts do not want to change their behaviors. Damn that free choice thing!

[quickcap]

"harm reduction" - sounds good.

[danteleman]

Quick, thanks for your post. After closer scrutiny and watching all the videos and reading all the posts, Im finding Dr Peele quackish. Also pjbergin says he's a physician? Physicians would never use that his kind of language in a serious forum such as this. Finally 123 says AA is same as sentencing people to "Islamic morning prayers at a mosque" I just want to help my brother here. I'm embarrassed I even listened to these people.

[telethon123]

I'm not sure what you want, danteleman. AA didn't work for your brother and you want to know whether or not to "send him back" - as if you can control his actions. You then dismiss out of hand any answer that conflicts with the decision you've apparently already made.

By the way, I said FORCING people to attend AA is akin to making them participate in morning prayers, and there was no mention of mosques. Good luck.

[danteleman]

tele123... aa IS THE ONLY THING that ever did work for my brother... and you have nothing good to say about what could possibly work for others. since last posting iv researched your suggestions and i feel sorry for you. how many people didnt get help because you shit on something that might have helped and now you have to live with that. im sorry.

[telethon123]

If AA was such a great solution, then why is your brother still drinking himself to death and why are you asking about alternatives? Your story is starting to reek of self-invention.

BTW, I've NEVER discouraged anyone from getting help for alcoholism. I even said that AA is probably a good option for someone like your fictitious brother.

AA isn't very effective, it's religious and there are other options. These are demonstrable facts.

[SToutreach]

@danteleman

If AA worked so well for your brother, why did he go back to drinking?

[AAispurelove]

aa should have a monopoly