@fuzzyprism "if you equate homosexuality with murderers, I feel a great swell of pity for you for both religious and secular reasons." EXACTLY! God said there is no sin greater or lesser. Meaning murdering someone is no worst then lying to someone. It doesn't matter what sin you commit A SIN IS A SIN....
You start to see who the pied piper is behind it all---Satan---and you become naturally repulsed, in spite of the extraordinary pleasure. Besides this you can also transmute your energies by thinking about higher ethical and moral gratifications such as being involved with your soul mate or seeking enlightenment
Cosmic evil conveys greater pleasure than normal sexuality where there is commitment and respect. Because of the greater pleasure individuals are corrupted and subverted from the straight and narrow path. The way to combat it is to confront yourself whenever you are beginning to fantasize about sexual acts that involve desecration (of the human form). Simply confront yourself: “You’re accessing (or starting to access) cosmic evil!” This tends to throw cold water on the whole process. .
homosexuality and pornography involve desecration of the human archetype and body temple. Thus Satanic forces are invoked. Those (people who are) involved (in this) access cosmic evil.
What a terrific testimony. I love you very much. I agree with everything you have said. God bless you and your testimony is helping others, trust me! Jesus is Lord, thank you God for sending Jesus and the Holy Spirit to save me and all mankind. Oraah Marine Corps Semper Fi to all!
Good, the bible should be banned, because its fucking stupid and people take it as fact rather than fiction, these kids are obviously stupid indoctrinated moronic clones of their parents, with no free thought or mature intelligence. Religion is kids stuff, like santa, the tooth fairy, unicorns... etc
Please veiw Youtube video"Dr. Cindy Trimm prays and releases the power of God"
The above is a service at a Revival where the Power of God moved on the people. However I am sure that it will be written off as a bunch of hired actors from Los Angelos!
I was a psychotherapist for many years, and I learned very early on in my career that there is no choice involved in homosexuality. There is no doubt in my mind that it is biologically based.
Shame is one of the most powerful tools we as human beings use to manipulate others. You can shame someone into almost anything, including denying their sexuality. I pray for all LGBT persons that they will know and feel the love of God in their hearts. God loves you just as you are!!
@BrygidaNilsson there's no exact proof that it's biological. As human beings, experience, biology , and environment affect us all. When there is legit proof I'll believe it.
There is also no conclusive proof that homosexuality is caused by environmental factors, and yet you seem to accept that hypothesis without any supporting evidence, at least not the type you would demand for supporting a biological cause. You are correct in that human sexuality is very complicated, but there is a mounting load of evidence supporting the contention that homosexuality is biologically based.
@BrygidaNilsson because most of the biological research done on homosexuality is convoluted or misrepresented. Simon Levay said on his own research, quote"It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work."
@acidsprinkle5950 "...is convoluted or misrepresented" A very broad statement that is completely unsupported by any information you have provided. The researcher you mention made this statement to clarify the limitations of his research and caution people not to jump to conclusions. How does that in any way even address the research itself? It seems you've contradicted your earlier statement suggesting that you will believe it when provided by evidence. However, when you suggest all research on
@BrygidaNilsson No I'm not "determined" to not take it as a possibility. When it is wholly proven without any kind of personal bias I'll believe it. If I'm wrong about the biological factor, then give me several studies that prove me wrong. The reason that I used Simon Levay as an example is because many people use his research as proof that homosexuality is biological. You attempt to point out that I only believe in environmental factors, but I want proof in all points of view. continued-
@BrygidaNilsson Also in your first statement, "I pray for all LGBT persons that they will know and feel the love of God in their hearts. God loves you just as you are!!" Yes God Love you just as you are, but he also hates sin. To tell people that when clearly God's view on homosexuality is against it is telling people that God loves you and your sin, and you don't have to stop sinning which is false. Romans 6:11 clearly states that you cast away sin.
@acidsprinkle5950 Please forgive me if I am not communicating my point effectively. English is not my first language and while I feel quite comfortable with it, I know that in everyday communication some people have difficulty understanding me. My point is simply that you seem to hold that homosexuality is a choice. That is your presumption until it is proven otherwise. And what I am suggesting is that there is no evidence that "wholly proves" there is a choice involved.
@BrygidaNilsson So, why do you accept this presumption absent the evidence you demand that would prove otherwise? It is based in something. And I'm assuming it is based in your interpretation of Scripture. Please correct me if I am wrong. If your contention is that it must be a choice because God says it's wrong, then how is any scientific evidence likely to sway your opinion, especially when you label it "convoluted" and "misrepresented?"
@acidsprinkle5950 God loves you and me and every homosexual person on this earth just as we are, sin and all. And we are all sinners. God's love is unconditional. He loves us whether we choose Him or not. We are His creation. Why should it bother you that I pray for all people to feel the love of God in their hearts, including homosexuals? When we say God loves you, "but," we push people away from God. It's like saying, God loves you, but not really (unless you completely change who you are).
@BrygidaNilsson God is loving and just, and I'm not saying we should mistreat and abuse homosexuals. They're people too, and deserve to be treated with respect. I'm not bothered with you praying for people, that's OK you can do that. But you're definitely deflecting from the subject, and saying I'm set on never believing any evidence. Jesus loves us all but we attempt to do right and avoid sin, not always but hold ourselves accountable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your suggesting..
@acidsprinkle5950 Obviously we are not understanding each other. I am certainly not attempting to deflect from the subject. I am simply trying to understand how it is that you are critical of my opinion that sexual orientation is biologically based, your reason being that we do not yet have conclusive and irrefutable evidence in support of that position. But the position you hold is not backed up by conclusive and irrefutable evidence either. Why the dichotomy?
@acidsprinkle5950 It is true that we have no definitive answers to this issue, but it seems to me that there is far more credible evidence in support of a biological basis for homosexuality.
And I am certainly not suggesting that we be complacent. I don't understand why you are making such an assumption. In fact, it is my religious conviction as a Christian that compels me to speak out against the evil of intolerance and hatred that is so pervasive in our churches.
@acidsprinkle5950 You're not saying that homosexuals should be "mistreated" or "abused." But homosexuals are mistreated and abused. Since the year 2000, in the United States alone, there have been at least 30 (that I am aware of) murders of LGBT persons who were targeted and killled because of their sexuality. The church has been very outspoken about homosexuality, but when it comes to violence against the LGBT community, it is silent. Why is that?
@BrygidaNilsson yeah you're definitely misunderstanding me. I know for a fact that there are plenty of radical homosexual groups that cause as much violence against Christians or anyone set against disagreeing with them. Have you heard of Bash Back? As for tolerance and hatred in churches, I can't speak for everyone but I know for sure that Christians who advocate murder and violence against any group aren't real Christians. The issue I have is the liberal "tolerance" which is pretty much..
@acidsprinkle5950 To be quite honest, I'm not even sure the most appropriate way to respond to your last posts. These posts fill me with a great sense of sadness. I cannot even manage anger, even though much of what you just said is very disturbing. One thing I must say, however, is that your accusations of "facism" are far off base. I have lived under a facist regime. And it is clear that while "facism" may be a buzz word you have adopted, you have no true understanding of what facism truly is.
@BrygidaNilsson " shut up if you disagree with me, or I'll insult and belittle you into silence". In America, it's especially like that if you just have a different stance on an issue you're a bigot or intolerant. At my college, an elderly man wrote a letter for a blog about promiscuous sex including gay sex has caused an epidemic of STD's and government funding spent on helping single parents. Mind you he was a librarian and it wasn't school related. Many angry homosexuals tried to write..
@BrygidaNilsson a petition to get this man fired from his job because he spoke his mind. There was no hate speech involved, it was just an opinion. How is that true tolerance if anyone who speaks against you must be silenced and eliminated? That's fascism not tolerance.
@acidsprinkle5950 It is deeply disturbing to me that you make compare the murder of LGBT persons with a failed petition to fire a man from his job, as if they are somehow equivalent. You suggest that there are aspects of the gay population that are just as violent, but the hate crime statistics in the U.S. beg to differ with that statement. I mentioned murders alone, not to mention other forms of violence. Your claim of equal violence has no basis in factual statistical information.
@acidsprinkle5950 Lastly, there is something I should clarify. I have never claimed that the majority of christians support violence against homosexuals. In fact, if you question most christians regarding this issue, they will tell you they do not advocate violence. The problem is that while the church promotes messages about homosexuals destroying the family and destroying society, they do not promote that non-violent message along with it. It is only mentioned when questioned, as if any...
@acidsprinkle5950 ...mention of it may be misconstrued as support for LGBT. In the mean time, LGBT persons are violently and viciously murdered and the church remains silent. Perhaps I am particularly sensitive to this issue, as I grew up in war torn Europe during WWII. A time when good people remained silent and chose to not see what was going on. The opposite of love is not hate. It is indifference. And the church continues to remain indifferent against the horrible abuse of LGBT persons.
@BrygidaNilsson No. I wasn't comparing that situation to murder. Great straw-man by the way. I was using this as an example of fake tolerance. Would GTO's, a lesbian gang that seek out and raped teenage girls a better example? Or Dewayne Buckle a man viciously attacked by a lesbian gang because he was a man? This was in 2006. Where are you getting your stats from? The most current info on hate crimes according to the FBI criminal report is 8 murders which were unspecified as to what reason.
@acidsprinkle5950 Please forgive me, but I do not know what "straw-man" refers to. It is not my intention to be antagonistic, but I simply fail to understand how my discussion of the numerous murders of LGBT persons merit a response that includes discussion of a failed petition to fire a man from his job. I can only draw conclusions on your reaction to these murders by the responses you post, which seem to disregard these horrible crimes as insignificant or comparable to the example provided.
@BrygidaNilsson It was an example of fake liberal tolerance.It wasn't a comparison or "reaction" once again but I clearly showed other examples of homosexual hate groups. The numerous deaths you speak of happen more often in other countries outside the U.S. As I clearly explained above 30 deaths a year of the LGBT community isn't a accurate death count in comparison to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's record of hate crime deaths. You've failed to prove of my "reaction" to these...
@acidsprinkle5950 The previous message contains names of victims that you may investigate yourself and not take my word for it. There are far more I could list if space permitted. I am not trying to put words in your mouth. I simply don't understand why we cannot agree that the church's message against homosexuals should not be couples with a message of non-violence when it is epidemic in the U.S. And you are quite right. There are places in the world that are far more hostile....
@acidsprinkle5950 ...to LGBT persons. And I'm sure you will yet again accuse me of putting words in your mouth, which I am not. I simply again, fail to understand how that is at all relevant. It does not excuse the violence that occurs in this country. Why do you bring it up if not to distract from the issue. As previously, when I am discussing the murder of LGBT persons in the U.S., why bring up "liberal intolerance" if not to distract or to equate it as indictment of the gay community?
@acidsprinkle5950 And while I take issue with some examples you present of anti-heterosexual violence by LGBT persons, I will acknowledge that I'm sure it does occur to some extent and denounce that violence as well. But, it occurs far less frequently and much less severe than you suggest. And while it is inexcusable, one must consider what gives birth to this type of anger. You talk about tolerance. How much tolerance do you expect gay people to have of stripping away their civil rights?
@BrygidaNilsson part 2- deaths you only stick to this to accuse me of not caring about homosexuals or to write off their deaths as unimportant, which is a lie. You definitely are being antagonistic when you continuously put words in my mouth about what I wrote to you. Please re-read my former posts.
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@BrygidaNilsson Exactly how does preaching against something but not including non- violence be an issue? There are people that preach against premarital sex and drugs, so because they don't mention not using violence it's ok to use it in those situations? Just because someone doesn't mention something doesn't mean it's ok to do it. I personally have sat in sermons on the homosexuality topic and have the youth pastor teach about loving them and tolerating people despite who they are so the..
@acidsprinkle5950 crusade against Christians you claim is happening needs to stop. Unless it's a fire and brimstone type of church that constantly condemns people for the slightest sin, I would agree something must be done. I have personally met many hetero-sexist homosexuals and homosexuals who instantly turned against you when because of your beliefs disagree with homosexuality saying I hate sex and am a hypocrite. How tolerant is that attitude? Homosexuals have no civil rights?..
@acidsprinkle5950 You can't be serious? What rights have homosexuals been stripped of besides being able to marry? Homosexuality is more accepted now than ever. Gay people can go to college, get jobs, and publicly be out without the risk of being denied housing or service. The people you listed that died due to violence were at least 3 years old or more. All were young which is sad, of course.
@acidsprinkle5950 It is not just marriage we are speaking of. In many states (20 I believe) gay people are constitutionally banned from not only marriage but any form of civil union. In 29 states it is perfectly legal to fire someone because they are gay. There are no federal benefits. No law against housing discrimination. Gay people are often denied hospital visition, are unable to cover partners under their insurance, are denied survivor benefits, no rights to property. Until recently DADT.
@acidsprinkle5950 This "crusade" against christians that you refer to is very misunderstood and overly stated by the church as intolerance of christianity. Let us remember, however, that there are no ballot measures regarding the rights of christians on the ballot. It is the church that is on the attack against the LGBT community and what it perceive as a "crusade" is the response of those who are under attack. Would you be tolerant of people denying your rights as a citizen?
@BrygidaNilsson In all honesty, there are Christians that are intolerant and that is an issue. I agree as far as equal benefits go. But as far as saying no equal rights, are you serious? Someone currently is getting sued about not allowing a gay couple to marry on their property. Also an eye for an eye makes the world go blind and it's hypocritical to preach about tolerance yet it's OK not to practice it when it comes to you. I've seen this "crusade" and trust me, it's not aimed at who...
@acidsprinkle5950 Wow. I can't believe how nice this lady is being to your ignorant ass. She just told you about all the rights gay people are denied and you're worried about somebody getting sued.
So let me ask you this question. Let's a say a "christian" couple wants to rent a facility that does wedding receptions and the owners refuse because they don't agree with their "christian values" (is that ever an oxymoron). So you support the owner's right to refuse services right?
@peepers60 She's nice? she accused me of saying I didn't care about homosexuals dying among other various things. If you heard of the story, the couple allowed the lesbians to stay in their hotel but were against them getting married there. That's not tolerant? You can disagree and still show respect.
@acidsprinkle5950 Wow. You've got to be kidding me. I bet you would have accused the jews of being intolerant of the Nazi's belief in killing them. You christians are the ones attacking people and then you're so surprised when they have a reaction to it. I'm not even gay and sick of you people trying to tell the rest of us how to live our lives. It's not just gay people, the rest of us are fed up with you too.
@peepers60 For the record, I'm not telling people how to live their lives. A personal opinion doesn't mean I'm trying to force everyone to do what i say. Comparing homosexual persecution to the Holocaust is a low blow. It's not even the same and accusing me of being a Nazi because of my views is an extremely baseless ad hominem attack.
"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharaoh's charioteers ... AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
@acidsprinkle5950 You're right honey. How could we ever get the impression that you christians don't care about the gays. Look how loving and tolerant you all are. How could gay people ever get the impression that you hate them? It's deeply perplexing, isn't it?
@peepers60 For one, your making assumptions and generalizations about Christians. You don't know me personally, so how can you say I'm like that when in all my comments, nothing hateful or in the nature of those quotes were said? I don't know those people and any Christian that advocates violence isn't a real Christian. When you basically can't make a good argument without being insulting, it's hard for me to even listen or take you seriously. Let' s try this again, can you.. part 1
@acidsprinkle5950 Well here's the problem honey. These so called "christians" are the most vocal and represent the largest and fastest growing christian denominations in the US. They have millions of viewers and listeners and rake in hundreds of millions of dollars each year. If people didn't watch or listen to them, they wouldn't be on the air, now would they? These are your representatives, whether you like it or not. How can a gay person listen to this and not feel hated?
@peepers60 That's like saying terrorists represent all Arabic Muslims. Picking out the worst possible advocate and slapping the label of "all Christians" when in reality there are bad representatives in any institution or group for that matter. Because a man commits murder, are all men bad and can't be trusted? You're labeling people you don't know based on individuals who act on their own then saying they all blindly stand for something they may well disagree with. Try again.
@acidsprinkle5950 I never said they represent "all christians." I said they represent millions of christians, including the largest protestant denomination and fastest growing denomination. You're putting words in my mouth and objecting to something I never said. I'm simply pointing out that televangelists who represent millions of christians say pretty hateful and intolerant things. That's just a fact. And that's the message that's heard by the gay community.
@peepers60 You pretty much said so with claiming I would agree with Nazism and quoting Televangelists including this statement: How could we ever get the impression that you Christians don't care about the gays. Look how loving and tolerant you all are." So you were making generalizations based on my beliefs and judging me based on what I believe in. No words were put in your mouth, this is what you said. For one I don't watch many Televangelists so how would I know what's being said.
@acidsprinkle5950 As usual, you missed the most important word in quoting me: "impression." I have never said that all christians hate gays, but you keep trying to distract from the issue by suggesting this. I gave you numerous examples of preachers promoting this hate. The point you keep missing is this: How are gay people supposed to know you don't hate them, when they're aren't any christians who actually deliver any other message? Fine, in your church you don't hate gay people. I believe you
@peepers60 I didn't miss the point impression is basically a characteristic, trait or feature resulting from an influence or an indistinct or imprecise notion or remembrance. An impression is the perception based on what you initially learn and potentially can be incorrect based on experience. A first impression is all it takes to breed ill conceived notions and incorrect assumptions. But now you are just pulling teeth. As for what's been taught, most Christians don't touch on homosexuality .
@acidsprinkle5950 .. unless it pertains to Sodom and Gomorrah. So by my guess you haven't been inside a church that hasn't been in the public eye to know what's being taught or said about this issue just taking the quotes from televangelists. Once again you don't make the point you were trying to make which is that hatred is being taught.
@acidsprinkle5950 Uh, yeah. That's exactly the point. An impression is a perception. And it can certainly be corrected with additional information. So why don't christians who don't believe the same thing do anything to correct this perception if it is indeed wrong? Pulling teeth? You just said "most Christians don't touch on homosexuality." So if they're silent on the issue, how is anyone to know their message is one of tolerance? You don't make any sense.
@peepers60 No you assume because they don't say anything they don't have a message of tolerance. The message is because of my beliefs I think it's wrong and I don't accept it. That doesn't mean you can't be tolerant because Christians interact with other individuals of other religions. Irrational conclusions are made, especially when I expressed what is taught in the Bible about how you treat others and respect other individuals.
@acidsprinkle5950 Show me one quote from a prominent televangelist speaking out against violence towards homosexuals. You want us all to assume that of course you object to the violence and we all should just assume so. And you know what? I actually believe you. But what you don't seem to understand is that when the most vocal and prominent voices in the christian community say things like this and we don't hear any prominent christians speaking out against this message and calling these...
@peepers60 Once again sweeping generalizations of " you're in this group so you agree with everything they say and do". Then go on to accuse other Christians of hiding their true nature and only pretending to be against violence. What are you getting at? Some ridiculous conspiracy? Re-read my past posts on what I said about false Christians. Once again you fail and I'm about to write you off as a troll and a bigot which you try to claim I am.
@acidsprinkle5950 Your church isn't broadcast to millions of people like this televangelists are, so how the hell are they supposed to know what you believe about it? Don't you understand that? You say these people aren't true christians, so why don't any of you stand up and say, "No. That's not the message we want to deliver." And then you claim gay people unfairly labeling you, when you've got no one standing up and representing your position. When you don't speak up, how would they know?
@peepers60 Once again, when you make assumptions you basically generalize the population as a whole and the most vocal people that stand out don't represent everyone. Fake liberal tolerance makes people shut up. There are dozens of denominations in Christianity and as of now you don't know which one I'm in so once again, you can't claim to know what my beliefs are based on what a televangelist says. Read some of my past posts with BrydiaNyislon about what I was taught about homosexuality.
@acidsprinkle5950 Fine. So tell me. What denomination do you belong to? I'm assuming you aren't ashamed or trying to hide your faith, so let's just get it out in the open. What church do you attend?
I'll tell you mine. I'm an agnostic or atheist or naturalist depending on your perspective. I don't really object to any of those terms, but I definitely don't believe in organized religion. But I have no problem with people who do, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs onto others.
@peepers60 Stop being patronizing. I attend a non-denominational church. I think denominations are a man-made concept because people what to change things to how they want it. The religion isn't the issue for me, the fact that people can use it for their own benefit and trick people is my issue which is why I particularly don't like televangelists, they tend to have ulterior motives and are the main ones who are involved in some scandal.
@acidsprinkle5950 ...loudmouths with their own tv and radio shows on their intolerance, setting the message straight about "loving your neighbor", how can gay people not get the impression of hatred?
@acidsprinkle5950 You seem like a nice enough kid. And I actually feel kind of bad for you trying to defend a church that I'm sure you've been taught to believe in, but whose pervasive intolerance and hatred you're probably not even aware of.
@peepers60 BTW, I'm an adult. I'm aware of people that claim to be Christian and act like that. Like I said before, they're not real Christians because love your neighbor as yourself means everyone, even your enemies. Churches teach intolerance and hatred, yet they help the homeless and people in other countries myself included? I think you're confusing tolerance and acceptance. You can tolerate something even if you disagree on any level. Acceptance means you fully agree. Look it up.
@acidsprinkle5950 And sorry, but you sound like a kid. When you claim that every employer includes sexual orientation in their antidiscrimination policies or they'd be sued, it shows your naivet'e. Companies are free to include it if they wish, but are not required to in 29 states and many do not. And the state and local governments absolutely do not include sexual orientation in their policies in those 29 states. Many have been fired and have no recourse under the law.
@peepers60 It's very disrespectful to make that type of assumption and hypocritical when you jumped into the conversation naming-calling and labeling, which doesn't show much maturity in itself. Also the person you're defending is Christian, just to let you know. I don't agree with people being fired because you are gay, but how would the employer know your sexual orientation? Your personal life has nothing to do with your interview and employers asking such questions can get in trouble.
@acidsprinkle5950 Are you kidding me? How do our employers know we're straight? We have pictures of our spouses and kids on our desk. We talk to co-workers about our families, who we're dating or what we did this weekend. It's natural conversation for most of us. Unless gay people have no pictures, talk about nothing with their co-workers about dating or their spouse or their weekend, how would employers not know? It's not like they go around telling everyone they're gay, they just don't hide..
@acidsprinkle5950 ...it, like the rest of us don't And why should they have to go through all the effort to hide their private lives from their employer in order to keep their job. You act as if anti-employment discrimination for gays isn't necessary because it would never happen. But it does. And why won't the church support anti-discrimination laws? I'm sorry, but you are really naive about this issue. By the way, I'm not gay. Don't know why you would just assume that I am.
@peepers60 I didn't assume you were gay, and I'm not naive about this issue. The standing problem is homosexuals interviewed and being denied job opportunities in the interviewing process. The law as it stands allows people to not hire anyone if they suspect they're gay, not allow them a job and fire them because they're gay. In an interview, employers don't ask such questions about your personal life and it would be tremendously unethical to fire someone now you know they're gay. part 1
@acidsprinkle5950 Of course they don't ask personal questions like that during interviews, but do you think once someone is hired, they are secure in their employment until they decide to leave. People are certainly denied jobs based on employers' perception of someone's sexuality, but I didn't even mention that. I'm talking about people being fired. You have to be hired first, to be fired. And gay people have to go to great lengths to hide the fact that they're gay and shouldn't have to.
@acidsprinkle5950 You are obviously very naive on the subject when you just assume it never happens. Why would gay people even ask for anti-employment discrimination laws if it isn't a problem, if people are so accepting, if it never happens. Get a clue, please.
And of course there are employers who don't discriminate. That proves nothing. You're argument is that since gay people work, there is no discrimination? What planet do you live on?
@peepers60 Once again you can make a point without being an asshole. Insulting me doesn't prove your point, knowledge does. If you can't learn to be respectful, this conversation is over. You fail to show any intellectual standing when you insult or belittle your opponent.
@acidsprinkle5950 You're one to talk about being an asshole. You've been nothing but disrespectful, insulting and belittling to everyone on this thread. If anything I'm just matching your tone. Apparently that lady you were talking to won't even come back here anymore. There's a reason for that. Maybe you should look at your own posts because you don't even seem to realize it. And nobody's got a gun to your head. You can go away anytime you want. Nobody's stopping you.
@peepers60 yeah says the pot calling the kettle black. You jumped in here insulting and calling me a Nazi because I'm Christian. Wow you're very tolerant. For your information, I didn't insult or belittle anyone on this thread , I disagreed. You definitely can't prove it and that's a huge lie. Nice try . So if I disagree with someone, it means I'm insulting them? How do you know she won't return, did you speak to her? I can talk to anyone and not resort to name-calling unlike you.
@acidsprinkle5950 Jesus Christ honey, you want to get down from that cross please. You really need to stop playing the victim. I never called you a nazi (look back at the post) but you right away accused me of it because you hear only what you want to and can't stand to have anyone disagree with you. Now in your mind I called you a nazi when it never happened. Do you even realize where I came into the conversation? You accused that lady of being mean to you when she was using phrases like.....
@peepers60 When you say I would disagree with Jews being intolerant of Nazis, you're pretty much stating I would agree with Nazism. You're trying to discredit my opinion. I never heard what I wanted to hear or randomly attacked people on this thread but addressed one person first not have her respond to me. She was flaky on her own argument stating it is biological, then there isn't any proof which is contradictory. I do realize when you came in this conversation, as a matter of fact you...
@acidsprinkle5950 P1: Are you for real? Do you not even hear yourself? You're having a tantrum because I called you names and in this post, you just called that lady a flake. I guess it's OK for you to be insulting. You don't even notice when you do it, but if it's done to you, you throw a fit. And no, you still don't get it. The analogy doesn't even have anything to do with your take on Nazi Germany. How do you not get that? The example is extreme sure, but for a reason...to try to illustrate
@peepers60 Saying her message was contradictory is insulting? I pointed out a fallacy not insult her intelligence. "the analogy doesn't even have anything to do with your take on Nazi Germany." Ok but you said I would accuse the Jews of being intolerant of the Nazis, so that statement would mean I would think the Nazis were justified in their behavior towards them. I do know enough about the holocaust to know that comparing homosexual rights taken away to that is extremely disturbing.
@acidsprinkle5950 You called her a flake. That's name calling which you accuse other people of but take no responsibility yourself. And I wasn't comparing gay marriage to the holocaust. Your misstatements and false accusation are becoming tiresome. Truly.
@peepers60 I said her message was flaky not her. And yes it gets really tiring when you constantly say I don't get it. I do and in that case more than rights were taken away and it was a genocide not a civil rights issue. No comparison.
@acidsprinkle5950 P2: ...how stupid it is to accuse people who are hated of being intolerant of that hatred. (By the way, if you knew anything about the holocaust, you'd know gay people were slaughtered along with jews) Gay people in CA had the right to marry and the churches launched a campaign to strip them of that right and you seem to think that gay people should be tolerant of these churches’ belief in stripping their rights away. I wonder how tolerant you would be of someone trying to take
@peepers60 Not just in California, I'm pretty sure there are at least 4 other states that provide same-sex marriage and 8 that provide benefits similar to marriage. The only right stripped is marriage and again if you read my past posts, I'm for civil unions with the same benefits. What you state in the context of tolerance is more leaning towards acceptance which is completely different concept.
@acidsprinkle5950 P3: ...away rights from you!! And do you even get the irony of your post? You accuse this lady of lying about the number of murders of gay people and she provided you with a frickin list of names. You can google any one of them and verify the info. I did because I didn’t even realize there were that many. But here’s the hypocrisy. You want absolute proof of these murders and employment discrimination or you won’t buy it. But, you acknowledge your own church doesn’t even talk
@peepers60 I never accused her of of lying, just said the numbers she stated where inaccurate. I actually looked up the FBI hate crime statistics and they don't even come close. I never said I didn't believe in the deaths happening. Those deaths didn't even happen in the same year! That was just a tactic to claim I'm heartless and guilt me into siding with her. What exactly does the murders have to do with employment discrimination?
@acidsprinkle5950 Yeah, you all say you support equality, which is why in 20 states you voted in constitutional amendments to ban civil unions along with gay marriage. Might want to get your facts straight for once.
@peepers60 Nice discriminatory bias statement. Because I'm Christian I voted against civil unions? You definitely can't prove that or who or what I support because of my beliefs. I voted democrat if you want to know.
@acidsprinkle5950 She didn't say in a year. Can you read. She said since the year 2000. You're stupidity and inability to recall simple information is becoming very tiresome.
@peepers60 No but you know what I have find funny? How much of a life you don't have. You've been following and checking up on this thread for a year, antagonizing other Christians just because you can. Remember this mocking statement"I'm not gay, so I'm going straight to heaven. That's how it works isn't it?" and various other mocking statements. I can't believe I wasted my time on you. You seriously are a intolerant, hateful and conceited bigot. If you actually believe in no god, why.. p1
@acidsprinkle5950 I don't believe in god, that's what an atheist is. And I don't believe in your bible. And contrary to what you've said, I don't hate christians. I have friends who are christians too (and some of them are gay by the way), who are very kind people. But, they don't try to force their beliefs onto others. And that's exactly what people like you try to do. I'm here on this thread because I have gay friends. Why are you here?
@peepers60 waste your time on people whom you disagree with just to insult them? Don't you believe in no afterlife? Life is short so why aren't you out enjoying it instead of time spent hating others that believe in a god you know doesn't exist? And with that I leave this stupid debate. Goodbye.
@acidsprinkle5950 That's hilarious. I don't have a life because I've spent 10 minutes the past several days responding to your posts? Yeah, I check on this thread every once in a couple of MONTHS. How much of a life do you have that you spent time researching it? I actually have an extraordinary life. If you want to know what I do, just research my posts on other threads. You'll have to go back awhile, but apparently you have the time for it.
@peepers60 there is no reason to be kidding about the lord,and jesus crists, never kid about something that can save you from all eternaty in damnation, accept jesus into your heart, love him, truly love him, and release all your sins, and ask jesus that you have a holiness life and that you are able to be one of his many soals in hevan,and remember to love and recieve jesus into your life and to love others, and to love and respect yourself. amen. remember,i love u all,and jesus loves u too!
@acidsprinkle5950 P4: ...about homosexuality, so I don’t even know how you would know how your church is “tolerant” but you expect everyone to just assume without any proof or evidence that you and all the people in your church are very loving and tolerant people. Do you even get how contradictory that is? I’d be happy to provide you with information about employment discrimination but there’s really not much point when this lady’s list of actual names of victims wasn’t good enough for you.
@peepers60 I asked again for evidence you can provide if what you say is true. Saying I won't believe it doesn't dismiss anything. Televangelists don't count. What proof do you have that Christians are taught hatred and violence towards homosexuals? Whether I would believe it or not doesn't dismiss the facts because they don't lie. Does a list of homosexual hate-crime deaths supposed to substantiate for employment discrimination?
@acidsprinkle5950 The link provided you with enough information to find what you're requesting, you just didn't want to see it and I'm not going to do the work for you. I'll tell you what. You provide me with proof that your church is tolerant of gay people and supports equality in the form of civil unions and then I'll provide you with proof of employment discrimination. Until and unless you're willing to provide it, you can shut the fuck up about anyone not providing you with proof, hypocrite.
@peepers60 Ouch you hurt my feelings. lol If you must find proof then here look up Krazie316, Donnie McClurkin, and PC4m's channel. Now it's your turn.
@acidsprinkle5950 Actually to further prove my point and to show how intolerant and biased you you really are, here are different denominational views on homosexuality. Baptists, Angelician, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, and United Church of Christ allow homosexual membership and participation in church and are against homosexual discrimination and the Church of England advocates actively against intolerance. Mormons and Jehovah's witness' are against it it and actively try to change...
@acidsprinkle5950 homosexuals and convert them. The Catholic pope was against it and considered homosexuality an abomination but preach a message of tolerance and compassion. Lutherans require compassion and tolerance, even though a gay clergyman would be required to be celibate. Check out the association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists as another source of the "intolerant Christians" you speak of.
@acidsprinkle5950 Uh, to further prove nothing, maybe. It's hilarious what you call proof, especially when the proof you provide is the kind that you would completely reject from others. Sorry if you're getting tired of hearing, but I'm tired of saying. YOU DON'T GET IT. It's impossible to reason with someone of your intellect. And it so happens that red states (which typically have higher %s of christians) are the states to have voted to ban civil unions. Shocking, isn't it?
@acidsprinkle5950 All christians claim to be loving and tolerant toward gay people, and yet somehow they are still discriminated against, harassed and murdered. Who's responsible? Atheists who overwhelmingly support gay rights? Ask Danny Overstreet's parents who were told by their son's killer he was a "Christian Soldier working for my Lord" and "wished he could have killed more fags." Apparently, not all christians are getting the same message, and you don't seem to give a shit.
@acidsprinkle5950 Really? That's your proof? Providing channels for other crazy christians who spread misinformation? You've got to be kidding me.
I suppose you don't believe that discrimination happens to women in the workplace either? You know, documentantation of the problem is based on self report for women as well because as the article mentioned, there's really no other way to measure it. But when it comes to the gays, they'e always lying, right? Pathetic.
@peepers60 You just made up a whole argument by yourself. You made someone say that they dont beleive in discrimination of women in the work place....then you came back and argued with yourself about something that no one said...but you!
@superman4449 Ah, isn't that adorable. Looks like we've made a love connection here. You two are mesmerized with each other, and why shouldn't you be? You both have the same religion, the same logic, make the same arguments, have the same opinions, have the same interest in "ex-gay" people, talk the same, say the same things, have the same bad temper, and compliment each other profusely. Why, it's almost as if you're the same person!! I hope you "two" will be very happy together.
@acidsprinkle5950 Sorry, but I'm gonna have to agree with peepers on this one. It's hard to argue with someone like you because you seem to think that whatever you happen to believe is the truth and it's up to other people to disprove it to you. You feel no obligation to provide any evidence to support your own beliefs. And that's the real problem. What they really should be asking is can you prove that gay people are not discriminated against and provide evidence to contradict their testimony?
@matt86sd I clearly never stated that which is what is implied. I'm saying not as much as in the but I agree clearly that there is to some degree depending on the situation. This person clearly never showed me proof and verbally insulted me while including sweeping generalizations about my beliefs and what I stand for when clearly i explained multiple times my beliefs aren't like that so why group me in? On youtube as well as in real life I have met countless tolerant Christians..
@acidsprinkle5950 This person provided proof but that of a radical kind and made assumptions in that I believe what they say blindly without consideration. I have met a pastor in college who not only preached for tolerance but love and understanding but it's an old recording so I'd have difficulty finding it. I also have had homosexual friends/acquaintances. If I was taught hate wouldn't I despise them? Just because I don't accept something doesn't mean I can't be tolerant.
@acidsprinkle5950 Also this person's beliefs are obviously as unchangeable as mine, so why should I be the one to buckle and cave? If you saw my above statements, you'd see this person has been trolling on this page at least a year mocking people for their beliefs. If that isn't intolerant, I don't know what is. Also she failed to show any proof but continuously insulted me as if it was proof enough. Honestly, this person wouldn't be so bold without the internet backing them up.
@acidsprinkle5950 Now that is an awesome statement! It is like they lurk here! Nevertheless, peepers60 seem to have had some negative experience in his/her life with the church! And in her mind, everybody that goes to church is approving of bullying and hate gays!
@superman4449 exactly. You can't say you have Christian friends yet act this way and claim all Christians are like this. So they're not really your friends they're your backup? That's like a racists stating I have a "black/asian/hispanic/white friend" as if that says you aren't racist. Plus even if she didn't like the links, what about all the statements of other churches on the subject? You're just as hypocritical if you just dismiss it as we're all crazy and atheists don't kill homosexuals.
@acidsprinkle5950 she can't even prove it was Christians who committed those crimes. Plus you can't tell me I'll never believe anything anyway when you show the same mindset and no proof as well. Prejudice is sad really.
@acidsprinkle5950 Be sure that you understand that her definition of tolerance is not loving someone to deliverance and salvation. her definition of tolerance is accepting homosexuality in church as justified. Her definition of tolerance is marraige between the same sex. It is more than just ministering and protecting those that have been bullied.
@superman4449 oh yeah I understand what she is, a brainwashed troll who's hellbent on making everyone agree with her viewpoint or shut up. That my friend is the definition of fake liberal tolerance. lol it has nothing to do with real tolerance, just adhering to a group-think mentality. In respect to homosexual marriage, I'm against it but for civil unions and domestic partnerships with the same benefits. I think it's disrespectful to revamp the bible for your own purpose and to please others.
@acidsprinkle5950 To be honest with you! i AM AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY AND Gay MARRAIGE! But ifa person feels that they want to be with someone...they have the right to that in AMERICA! I beleive they have the right to the benifits, tax cuts, insurance and all! Marraige is a holy thing ordained by God...and Jesus himself said that he made them male and female. What do you know about GROUP THINK! Wow! I see you are very smart...lol! Now thats wassup!
@superman4449 Thanks superman! lol honestly in terms of homosexuality and the liberal movement in America in general, conservative thought or Christian viewpoints are disregarded as peepers showed and demonized because I don't stick to the general public opinion. In the case of homosexuality or any issue, as I have experienced personally or seen on youtube if your against it, you hate someone or your not for "personal freedom or rights." The language used is meant to brainwash people into..
@acidsprinkle5950 following along with their agenda, disregarding the freedom to choose what you want. Yeah on youtube, you'd be shocked how many Christians are mistreated and false flagged just because they're Christian. I agree for the right in what you stated, which is the ability to choose. This person knows for a fact that other intellectual atheists with common sense would be disgusted by her behavior and lack of debate skills. :)
@acidsprinkle5950 YES, Peepers herself really comfirmed that! This is an agenda to shut the mouth of the church from people who do not believe in God. Thats what the isrealites did with Moses. They wanted a God that they could see and feel and not the invisible God that Moses and Abraham served. So they built Golden Calfs to Worship instead of the only true and living God. They said we dont believe the scribes (bible) and we can make up our own minds! But look what happened to them...
@acidsprinkle5950 P5: I’ll give you a resource anyway because I actually believe in providing evidence. Knock yourself out. Youtube won't let you post a link so google: "new civil rights movement enda greatest jobs bill never passed". It lays out the issue very well, although, I'm sure it will do little good. You still won't believe it. But of course, you still want us all to believe you and your chuch are tolerant without any proof of it. That's the definition of hypocrisy.
@peepers60 I saw the link and that's again for interview discrimination. That doesn't prove what you said earlier. The bill wasn't passed for multiple reasons, including omitting transgenders from the bill. It's hypocritical when you can't show any evidence and just claim I won't believe it after stating you have all this proof. You still can't say Christians are taught intolerance.
@acidsprinkle5950 ..."please forgive me if I'm not explaining clearly" and "please correct me if I'm wrong" and patiently trying to explain things saying she thought it was just a case of miscommunication. And this lady was mean to you? You take offense at anyone who challenges you on something. And you're just accusing me of name-calling now to avoid answering any questions and avoiding the issues. You've still never actually responded. And it was you who brought up ending this convo, not me.
@peepers60 you called me an ignorant ass. And I wasn't deflecting from the situation, I was pointing out how inappropriate it is to insult and belittle someone to make a point. If you would pleases like to get back on topic, what proof you have that homosexuals are being fired from a company because of their sexuality? I didn't deny that homosexuals are being killed and I'm ignoring it (good appeal to emotion), just that the rate of deaths is inaccurate that she described.
@acidsprinkle5950 ...And now you talk as if I'm telling you to go away, when all I said was no one is forcing you to stay if you want to end the convo. You twist everything around to suit your own purpose. You deny gay people are discriminated in employment, when it clearly happens. You acknowledge your church doesn't even talk about homosexuality, but you expect gay people to know your church is tolerant. You deny gay people are killed in the numbers they are and only want to talk about....
@peepers60 You make false conclusions of cause and effect. Some things are common sense facts, like because I disagree it means I tolerant. There are Christians that speak out against issues they don't like being exhibited from other Christians. You can't really prove otherwise except for pointing out what you see and claiming no one cares because it you don't see it. I keep repeating myself because you keep saying the same thing, which is the radicals you label represent everyone.
@acidsprinkle5950 "liberal intolerance" and so called "gay hate groups." You have no interest in engaging in a real discussion of the issue. According to you gay people are not discriminated against at all and have no reason to complain. Everytime someone brings up any wrong being committed against gays, you never actually respond to it. You just bring up another totally unrelated and unsubstaniated issue to avoid an actual response. It's like a little kid saying, "yeah, but he hit me too."
@peepers60 no I'm not twisting anything around for my own purpose, I'm saying you nee to show facts and data, not your own personal opinion. If there is such a large number of homosexual individuals being hired and fired as you claim, please show the facts, court cases and news stories. I never don't respond to homosexual discrimination as if it didn't exist. I never brought up another issue, what other issues have I brought up besides the ones you seem to misunderstand?
@peepers60 You can't prove anything or stay on topic without trying to make me seem naive or stupid. And No I'm not leaving or changing my mind. If you don't like what I have to say, then you can stop talking to me. You're just like a typical troll you can't prove an argument without resorting to immature behavior.
@peepers60 apt 2 Many people are hired and fired in America for various reasons. And what you say is true, no homosexual in America would be employed which is a lie because there are plenty of employed homosexuals who are publicly out and haven't been fired. BTW, I made that remark because you jumped in the conversation without seemingly have read the whole conversation.
@peepers60 part 2- make a good argument and stay on topic? If you even bothered to read all of my comments, you'd see I'm for civil unions and domestic partnerships.
@acidsprinkle5950 I'm not sure that I understand. It seems to me that the LGBT community is trying to affect change through legal means, so I don't understand the point. And I am not familiar with the case of the person being sued, but there are many frivolous law suits filed in the US every year. I fail to see how this case is an indication that gay people have equal rights. I did provide a brief description of the rights that are denied to LGBT persons in the US. Do you not see it problematic?
@BrygidaNilsson I don't see those rights denied because they're not. Every place hiring has a clause saying they can't discriminate against hiring anyone based on race, religion, and sexual orientation. Doing so could result in a lawsuit against the company. You still haven't justified intolerant behavior on both sides. You say churches are intolerant and homosexuals that behave the same way are wrong too, then make a statement saying would you be intolerant of your civil rights?..
@BrygidaNilsson Wait, so since you say homosexuals are denied their rights, they have a right to act however they damn well please? Hmm, if that's not contradictory then what is? Gay people are fun and great individuals, but i don't tolerate anyone who feels because someone differs on an opinion, they have the right to be rude and assassinate their character to shut them up. Which is what is happening but you deny it is.
@acidsprinkle5950 They wont more than equal rights! They want to shut the mouth of the church! They want more that to be treated equilly and respected. They want to control what is being said in our pulpits. They want ministers to stop preaching what the bible says. In order to do this, they have to attack people like the auther of this video! They have to degrade her testimony with false accusations!
@acidsprinkle5950 I completely disagree. Preaching against it compounds the issue. Not speaking out against an evil occurring in our midst makes us complicit. Would you consider the average citizen during WWII remaining silent as their Jewish countrymen were being rounded up and shipped off to ghettos and then concentration camps innocent because they did not participate in it themselves? Evil triumphs when good people do nothing.
@acidsprinkle5950 The modern christian church does not hold with your philosophy. Does it not speak out against abortion (in which it does not participate)?
As I said, the problem is compounded in this case because the church preaches that gay people are destroying the family and thus our society as a whole. And when it is aware of the alarming numbers of gay people that are violently attacked and murdered and says nothing, does it not become complicit?
@BrygidaNilsson Again there are people that don't hold that view even when the bible says that. Most churches don't touch on that subject either or daily for that matter. The churches preaching about homosexuality destroying the family don't represent all churches. There are many denominations in Christianity that hold different views and many Christians are divided on many issues. I don't know where you're from or what kind of church you've been to, but if you've never been to America.. part1
@BrygidaNilsson part 2 you'd see the different types of churches that exist. Besides, there are people that are false Christians and don't follow what the bible says or have ulterior motives and act on their own. There are people who aren't Christian at all and commit these terrible crimes, it depends on what you're taught. As for the Holocaust, there were a lot of other issues that caused it besides good people doing nothing. That's a completely different story.
@BrygidaNilsson To compare America's hate crime statistics on gays vs.Jamaica or Uganda which are way higher and more of a cause for concern in respect to harm towards homosexuals. What's interesting to me is now "facts" matter because earlier you never used any but went on your on personal experience and emotions while continuing to twist my words into what they didn't mean. As for the fascism comment, I meant fascist thinking not true enforced fascism which as y
Great vid!
TheBROADERVIEW 5 days ago
Thanks for sharing this.
MrLawrinson 1 month ago
A perfect example of homosexuals changing. I knew it, if murderers, liars, thieves can change so can homosexuals
pppeeeppee 2 months ago
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A perfect example of no matter how much you try, a dogs tail is bound to be curled, and would never turn straight!
subhankarzac 2 months ago
@pppeeeppee, if you equate homosexuality with murderers, I feel a great swell of pity for you for both religious and secular reasons.
fuzzyprism 1 month ago
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@fuzzyprism "if you equate homosexuality with murderers, I feel a great swell of pity for you for both religious and secular reasons." EXACTLY! God said there is no sin greater or lesser. Meaning murdering someone is no worst then lying to someone. It doesn't matter what sin you commit A SIN IS A SIN....
pppeeeppee 1 month ago
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Are you telling me that an armaphrodite (BORN WITH BOTH SEXES) CAN'T FIND LOVE WITH A MAN OR A WOMAN EVER?
You're telling me that GOD create that human being, to never find love and send that person to Hell? Remember is BORN WITH THE 2 SEXES.
Because based on you're theory this human:
Cant have sex with a MALE cause have the same sex and...
Cant have sex with a WOMAN cause have the same sex
ARE YOU SAYING GOD CONDEM THAT INNOCENT HUMAN BEING TO HELL BEFORE IT WAS BORN? NOT!
NuLaifMusic 2 months ago
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You start to see who the pied piper is behind it all---Satan---and you become naturally repulsed, in spite of the extraordinary pleasure. Besides this you can also transmute your energies by thinking about higher ethical and moral gratifications such as being involved with your soul mate or seeking enlightenment
Truthwillsetyoufri 2 months ago
Cosmic evil conveys greater pleasure than normal sexuality where there is commitment and respect. Because of the greater pleasure individuals are corrupted and subverted from the straight and narrow path. The way to combat it is to confront yourself whenever you are beginning to fantasize about sexual acts that involve desecration (of the human form). Simply confront yourself: “You’re accessing (or starting to access) cosmic evil!” This tends to throw cold water on the whole process. .
Truthwillsetyoufri 2 months ago
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homosexuality and pornography involve desecration of the human archetype and body temple. Thus Satanic forces are invoked. Those (people who are) involved (in this) access cosmic evil.
Truthwillsetyoufri 2 months ago
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Truthwillsetyoufri 2 months ago
@HRRyan2 Obvisously she is since she has been delivered from a lifestyle that you feel she cant.
superman4449 3 months ago
Thank you for your testimony. I was actively homosexual for 30 years. But, the Lord has called me out of Babylon - Praise God!
tinketteful 4 months ago
What a terrific testimony. I love you very much. I agree with everything you have said. God bless you and your testimony is helping others, trust me! Jesus is Lord, thank you God for sending Jesus and the Holy Spirit to save me and all mankind. Oraah Marine Corps Semper Fi to all!
lonerangersheriff 4 months ago
Whatever
MsLepel 4 months ago
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Good, the bible should be banned, because its fucking stupid and people take it as fact rather than fiction, these kids are obviously stupid indoctrinated moronic clones of their parents, with no free thought or mature intelligence. Religion is kids stuff, like santa, the tooth fairy, unicorns... etc
TheRacketBoss 4 months ago
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Please veiw Youtube video"Dr. Cindy Trimm prays and releases the power of God"
The above is a service at a Revival where the Power of God moved on the people. However I am sure that it will be written off as a bunch of hired actors from Los Angelos!
superman4449 5 months ago
Look at the dislike bar lol Truth really does hurt :-P
RasheemH 6 months ago
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acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
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acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
Wow, a woman touched by the hand of God! God bless you and thanks for posting this. You are a beautiful witness for Jesus.
Makater77 6 months ago
I was a psychotherapist for many years, and I learned very early on in my career that there is no choice involved in homosexuality. There is no doubt in my mind that it is biologically based.
Shame is one of the most powerful tools we as human beings use to manipulate others. You can shame someone into almost anything, including denying their sexuality. I pray for all LGBT persons that they will know and feel the love of God in their hearts. God loves you just as you are!!
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson there's no exact proof that it's biological. As human beings, experience, biology , and environment affect us all. When there is legit proof I'll believe it.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
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There is also no conclusive proof that homosexuality is caused by environmental factors, and yet you seem to accept that hypothesis without any supporting evidence, at least not the type you would demand for supporting a biological cause. You are correct in that human sexuality is very complicated, but there is a mounting load of evidence supporting the contention that homosexuality is biologically based.
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson because most of the biological research done on homosexuality is convoluted or misrepresented. Simon Levay said on his own research, quote"It’s important to stress what I didn’t find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn’t show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work."
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "...is convoluted or misrepresented" A very broad statement that is completely unsupported by any information you have provided. The researcher you mention made this statement to clarify the limitations of his research and caution people not to jump to conclusions. How does that in any way even address the research itself? It seems you've contradicted your earlier statement suggesting that you will believe it when provided by evidence. However, when you suggest all research on
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson No I'm not "determined" to not take it as a possibility. When it is wholly proven without any kind of personal bias I'll believe it. If I'm wrong about the biological factor, then give me several studies that prove me wrong. The reason that I used Simon Levay as an example is because many people use his research as proof that homosexuality is biological. You attempt to point out that I only believe in environmental factors, but I want proof in all points of view. continued-
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson Also in your first statement, "I pray for all LGBT persons that they will know and feel the love of God in their hearts. God loves you just as you are!!" Yes God Love you just as you are, but he also hates sin. To tell people that when clearly God's view on homosexuality is against it is telling people that God loves you and your sin, and you don't have to stop sinning which is false. Romans 6:11 clearly states that you cast away sin.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Please forgive me if I am not communicating my point effectively. English is not my first language and while I feel quite comfortable with it, I know that in everyday communication some people have difficulty understanding me. My point is simply that you seem to hold that homosexuality is a choice. That is your presumption until it is proven otherwise. And what I am suggesting is that there is no evidence that "wholly proves" there is a choice involved.
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson So, why do you accept this presumption absent the evidence you demand that would prove otherwise? It is based in something. And I'm assuming it is based in your interpretation of Scripture. Please correct me if I am wrong. If your contention is that it must be a choice because God says it's wrong, then how is any scientific evidence likely to sway your opinion, especially when you label it "convoluted" and "misrepresented?"
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 God loves you and me and every homosexual person on this earth just as we are, sin and all. And we are all sinners. God's love is unconditional. He loves us whether we choose Him or not. We are His creation. Why should it bother you that I pray for all people to feel the love of God in their hearts, including homosexuals? When we say God loves you, "but," we push people away from God. It's like saying, God loves you, but not really (unless you completely change who you are).
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson God is loving and just, and I'm not saying we should mistreat and abuse homosexuals. They're people too, and deserve to be treated with respect. I'm not bothered with you praying for people, that's OK you can do that. But you're definitely deflecting from the subject, and saying I'm set on never believing any evidence. Jesus loves us all but we attempt to do right and avoid sin, not always but hold ourselves accountable. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your suggesting..
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Obviously we are not understanding each other. I am certainly not attempting to deflect from the subject. I am simply trying to understand how it is that you are critical of my opinion that sexual orientation is biologically based, your reason being that we do not yet have conclusive and irrefutable evidence in support of that position. But the position you hold is not backed up by conclusive and irrefutable evidence either. Why the dichotomy?
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 It is true that we have no definitive answers to this issue, but it seems to me that there is far more credible evidence in support of a biological basis for homosexuality.
And I am certainly not suggesting that we be complacent. I don't understand why you are making such an assumption. In fact, it is my religious conviction as a Christian that compels me to speak out against the evil of intolerance and hatred that is so pervasive in our churches.
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 You're not saying that homosexuals should be "mistreated" or "abused." But homosexuals are mistreated and abused. Since the year 2000, in the United States alone, there have been at least 30 (that I am aware of) murders of LGBT persons who were targeted and killled because of their sexuality. The church has been very outspoken about homosexuality, but when it comes to violence against the LGBT community, it is silent. Why is that?
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson yeah you're definitely misunderstanding me. I know for a fact that there are plenty of radical homosexual groups that cause as much violence against Christians or anyone set against disagreeing with them. Have you heard of Bash Back? As for tolerance and hatred in churches, I can't speak for everyone but I know for sure that Christians who advocate murder and violence against any group aren't real Christians. The issue I have is the liberal "tolerance" which is pretty much..
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 To be quite honest, I'm not even sure the most appropriate way to respond to your last posts. These posts fill me with a great sense of sadness. I cannot even manage anger, even though much of what you just said is very disturbing. One thing I must say, however, is that your accusations of "facism" are far off base. I have lived under a facist regime. And it is clear that while "facism" may be a buzz word you have adopted, you have no true understanding of what facism truly is.
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson " shut up if you disagree with me, or I'll insult and belittle you into silence". In America, it's especially like that if you just have a different stance on an issue you're a bigot or intolerant. At my college, an elderly man wrote a letter for a blog about promiscuous sex including gay sex has caused an epidemic of STD's and government funding spent on helping single parents. Mind you he was a librarian and it wasn't school related. Many angry homosexuals tried to write..
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson a petition to get this man fired from his job because he spoke his mind. There was no hate speech involved, it was just an opinion. How is that true tolerance if anyone who speaks against you must be silenced and eliminated? That's fascism not tolerance.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 It is deeply disturbing to me that you make compare the murder of LGBT persons with a failed petition to fire a man from his job, as if they are somehow equivalent. You suggest that there are aspects of the gay population that are just as violent, but the hate crime statistics in the U.S. beg to differ with that statement. I mentioned murders alone, not to mention other forms of violence. Your claim of equal violence has no basis in factual statistical information.
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Lastly, there is something I should clarify. I have never claimed that the majority of christians support violence against homosexuals. In fact, if you question most christians regarding this issue, they will tell you they do not advocate violence. The problem is that while the church promotes messages about homosexuals destroying the family and destroying society, they do not promote that non-violent message along with it. It is only mentioned when questioned, as if any...
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 ...mention of it may be misconstrued as support for LGBT. In the mean time, LGBT persons are violently and viciously murdered and the church remains silent. Perhaps I am particularly sensitive to this issue, as I grew up in war torn Europe during WWII. A time when good people remained silent and chose to not see what was going on. The opposite of love is not hate. It is indifference. And the church continues to remain indifferent against the horrible abuse of LGBT persons.
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acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson No. I wasn't comparing that situation to murder. Great straw-man by the way. I was using this as an example of fake tolerance. Would GTO's, a lesbian gang that seek out and raped teenage girls a better example? Or Dewayne Buckle a man viciously attacked by a lesbian gang because he was a man? This was in 2006. Where are you getting your stats from? The most current info on hate crimes according to the FBI criminal report is 8 murders which were unspecified as to what reason.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Please forgive me, but I do not know what "straw-man" refers to. It is not my intention to be antagonistic, but I simply fail to understand how my discussion of the numerous murders of LGBT persons merit a response that includes discussion of a failed petition to fire a man from his job. I can only draw conclusions on your reaction to these murders by the responses you post, which seem to disregard these horrible crimes as insignificant or comparable to the example provided.
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson It was an example of fake liberal tolerance.It wasn't a comparison or "reaction" once again but I clearly showed other examples of homosexual hate groups. The numerous deaths you speak of happen more often in other countries outside the U.S. As I clearly explained above 30 deaths a year of the LGBT community isn't a accurate death count in comparison to the Federal Bureau of Investigation's record of hate crime deaths. You've failed to prove of my "reaction" to these...
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 The previous message contains names of victims that you may investigate yourself and not take my word for it. There are far more I could list if space permitted. I am not trying to put words in your mouth. I simply don't understand why we cannot agree that the church's message against homosexuals should not be couples with a message of non-violence when it is epidemic in the U.S. And you are quite right. There are places in the world that are far more hostile....
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 ...to LGBT persons. And I'm sure you will yet again accuse me of putting words in your mouth, which I am not. I simply again, fail to understand how that is at all relevant. It does not excuse the violence that occurs in this country. Why do you bring it up if not to distract from the issue. As previously, when I am discussing the murder of LGBT persons in the U.S., why bring up "liberal intolerance" if not to distract or to equate it as indictment of the gay community?
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 And while I take issue with some examples you present of anti-heterosexual violence by LGBT persons, I will acknowledge that I'm sure it does occur to some extent and denounce that violence as well. But, it occurs far less frequently and much less severe than you suggest. And while it is inexcusable, one must consider what gives birth to this type of anger. You talk about tolerance. How much tolerance do you expect gay people to have of stripping away their civil rights?
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson part 2- deaths you only stick to this to accuse me of not caring about homosexuals or to write off their deaths as unimportant, which is a lie. You definitely are being antagonistic when you continuously put words in my mouth about what I wrote to you. Please re-read my former posts.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
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acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson Exactly how does preaching against something but not including non- violence be an issue? There are people that preach against premarital sex and drugs, so because they don't mention not using violence it's ok to use it in those situations? Just because someone doesn't mention something doesn't mean it's ok to do it. I personally have sat in sermons on the homosexuality topic and have the youth pastor teach about loving them and tolerating people despite who they are so the..
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 crusade against Christians you claim is happening needs to stop. Unless it's a fire and brimstone type of church that constantly condemns people for the slightest sin, I would agree something must be done. I have personally met many hetero-sexist homosexuals and homosexuals who instantly turned against you when because of your beliefs disagree with homosexuality saying I hate sex and am a hypocrite. How tolerant is that attitude? Homosexuals have no civil rights?..
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 You can't be serious? What rights have homosexuals been stripped of besides being able to marry? Homosexuality is more accepted now than ever. Gay people can go to college, get jobs, and publicly be out without the risk of being denied housing or service. The people you listed that died due to violence were at least 3 years old or more. All were young which is sad, of course.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 It is not just marriage we are speaking of. In many states (20 I believe) gay people are constitutionally banned from not only marriage but any form of civil union. In 29 states it is perfectly legal to fire someone because they are gay. There are no federal benefits. No law against housing discrimination. Gay people are often denied hospital visition, are unable to cover partners under their insurance, are denied survivor benefits, no rights to property. Until recently DADT.
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 This "crusade" against christians that you refer to is very misunderstood and overly stated by the church as intolerance of christianity. Let us remember, however, that there are no ballot measures regarding the rights of christians on the ballot. It is the church that is on the attack against the LGBT community and what it perceive as a "crusade" is the response of those who are under attack. Would you be tolerant of people denying your rights as a citizen?
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson In all honesty, there are Christians that are intolerant and that is an issue. I agree as far as equal benefits go. But as far as saying no equal rights, are you serious? Someone currently is getting sued about not allowing a gay couple to marry on their property. Also an eye for an eye makes the world go blind and it's hypocritical to preach about tolerance yet it's OK not to practice it when it comes to you. I've seen this "crusade" and trust me, it's not aimed at who...
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Wow. I can't believe how nice this lady is being to your ignorant ass. She just told you about all the rights gay people are denied and you're worried about somebody getting sued.
So let me ask you this question. Let's a say a "christian" couple wants to rent a facility that does wedding receptions and the owners refuse because they don't agree with their "christian values" (is that ever an oxymoron). So you support the owner's right to refuse services right?
peepers60 6 months ago
@peepers60 She's nice? she accused me of saying I didn't care about homosexuals dying among other various things. If you heard of the story, the couple allowed the lesbians to stay in their hotel but were against them getting married there. That's not tolerant? You can disagree and still show respect.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Wow. You've got to be kidding me. I bet you would have accused the jews of being intolerant of the Nazi's belief in killing them. You christians are the ones attacking people and then you're so surprised when they have a reaction to it. I'm not even gay and sick of you people trying to tell the rest of us how to live our lives. It's not just gay people, the rest of us are fed up with you too.
peepers60 6 months ago
@peepers60 For the record, I'm not telling people how to live their lives. A personal opinion doesn't mean I'm trying to force everyone to do what i say. Comparing homosexual persecution to the Holocaust is a low blow. It's not even the same and accusing me of being a Nazi because of my views is an extremely baseless ad hominem attack.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
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Jimmy Swaggert
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"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharaoh's charioteers ... AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
Jerry Falwell
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“Many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many were homosexuals - the two things seem to go together”
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peepers60 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 You're right honey. How could we ever get the impression that you christians don't care about the gays. Look how loving and tolerant you all are. How could gay people ever get the impression that you hate them? It's deeply perplexing, isn't it?
peepers60 6 months ago
@peepers60 For one, your making assumptions and generalizations about Christians. You don't know me personally, so how can you say I'm like that when in all my comments, nothing hateful or in the nature of those quotes were said? I don't know those people and any Christian that advocates violence isn't a real Christian. When you basically can't make a good argument without being insulting, it's hard for me to even listen or take you seriously. Let' s try this again, can you.. part 1
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Well here's the problem honey. These so called "christians" are the most vocal and represent the largest and fastest growing christian denominations in the US. They have millions of viewers and listeners and rake in hundreds of millions of dollars each year. If people didn't watch or listen to them, they wouldn't be on the air, now would they? These are your representatives, whether you like it or not. How can a gay person listen to this and not feel hated?
peepers60 6 months ago
@peepers60 That's like saying terrorists represent all Arabic Muslims. Picking out the worst possible advocate and slapping the label of "all Christians" when in reality there are bad representatives in any institution or group for that matter. Because a man commits murder, are all men bad and can't be trusted? You're labeling people you don't know based on individuals who act on their own then saying they all blindly stand for something they may well disagree with. Try again.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 I never said they represent "all christians." I said they represent millions of christians, including the largest protestant denomination and fastest growing denomination. You're putting words in my mouth and objecting to something I never said. I'm simply pointing out that televangelists who represent millions of christians say pretty hateful and intolerant things. That's just a fact. And that's the message that's heard by the gay community.
peepers60 6 months ago
@peepers60 You pretty much said so with claiming I would agree with Nazism and quoting Televangelists including this statement: How could we ever get the impression that you Christians don't care about the gays. Look how loving and tolerant you all are." So you were making generalizations based on my beliefs and judging me based on what I believe in. No words were put in your mouth, this is what you said. For one I don't watch many Televangelists so how would I know what's being said.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 As usual, you missed the most important word in quoting me: "impression." I have never said that all christians hate gays, but you keep trying to distract from the issue by suggesting this. I gave you numerous examples of preachers promoting this hate. The point you keep missing is this: How are gay people supposed to know you don't hate them, when they're aren't any christians who actually deliver any other message? Fine, in your church you don't hate gay people. I believe you
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 I didn't miss the point impression is basically a characteristic, trait or feature resulting from an influence or an indistinct or imprecise notion or remembrance. An impression is the perception based on what you initially learn and potentially can be incorrect based on experience. A first impression is all it takes to breed ill conceived notions and incorrect assumptions. But now you are just pulling teeth. As for what's been taught, most Christians don't touch on homosexuality .
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 .. unless it pertains to Sodom and Gomorrah. So by my guess you haven't been inside a church that hasn't been in the public eye to know what's being taught or said about this issue just taking the quotes from televangelists. Once again you don't make the point you were trying to make which is that hatred is being taught.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Uh, yeah. That's exactly the point. An impression is a perception. And it can certainly be corrected with additional information. So why don't christians who don't believe the same thing do anything to correct this perception if it is indeed wrong? Pulling teeth? You just said "most Christians don't touch on homosexuality." So if they're silent on the issue, how is anyone to know their message is one of tolerance? You don't make any sense.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 No you assume because they don't say anything they don't have a message of tolerance. The message is because of my beliefs I think it's wrong and I don't accept it. That doesn't mean you can't be tolerant because Christians interact with other individuals of other religions. Irrational conclusions are made, especially when I expressed what is taught in the Bible about how you treat others and respect other individuals.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Show me one quote from a prominent televangelist speaking out against violence towards homosexuals. You want us all to assume that of course you object to the violence and we all should just assume so. And you know what? I actually believe you. But what you don't seem to understand is that when the most vocal and prominent voices in the christian community say things like this and we don't hear any prominent christians speaking out against this message and calling these...
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 Once again sweeping generalizations of " you're in this group so you agree with everything they say and do". Then go on to accuse other Christians of hiding their true nature and only pretending to be against violence. What are you getting at? Some ridiculous conspiracy? Re-read my past posts on what I said about false Christians. Once again you fail and I'm about to write you off as a troll and a bigot which you try to claim I am.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Your church isn't broadcast to millions of people like this televangelists are, so how the hell are they supposed to know what you believe about it? Don't you understand that? You say these people aren't true christians, so why don't any of you stand up and say, "No. That's not the message we want to deliver." And then you claim gay people unfairly labeling you, when you've got no one standing up and representing your position. When you don't speak up, how would they know?
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 Once again, when you make assumptions you basically generalize the population as a whole and the most vocal people that stand out don't represent everyone. Fake liberal tolerance makes people shut up. There are dozens of denominations in Christianity and as of now you don't know which one I'm in so once again, you can't claim to know what my beliefs are based on what a televangelist says. Read some of my past posts with BrydiaNyislon about what I was taught about homosexuality.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Fine. So tell me. What denomination do you belong to? I'm assuming you aren't ashamed or trying to hide your faith, so let's just get it out in the open. What church do you attend?
I'll tell you mine. I'm an agnostic or atheist or naturalist depending on your perspective. I don't really object to any of those terms, but I definitely don't believe in organized religion. But I have no problem with people who do, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs onto others.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 Stop being patronizing. I attend a non-denominational church. I think denominations are a man-made concept because people what to change things to how they want it. The religion isn't the issue for me, the fact that people can use it for their own benefit and trick people is my issue which is why I particularly don't like televangelists, they tend to have ulterior motives and are the main ones who are involved in some scandal.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 ...loudmouths with their own tv and radio shows on their intolerance, setting the message straight about "loving your neighbor", how can gay people not get the impression of hatred?
peepers60 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 You seem like a nice enough kid. And I actually feel kind of bad for you trying to defend a church that I'm sure you've been taught to believe in, but whose pervasive intolerance and hatred you're probably not even aware of.
peepers60 6 months ago
@peepers60 BTW, I'm an adult. I'm aware of people that claim to be Christian and act like that. Like I said before, they're not real Christians because love your neighbor as yourself means everyone, even your enemies. Churches teach intolerance and hatred, yet they help the homeless and people in other countries myself included? I think you're confusing tolerance and acceptance. You can tolerate something even if you disagree on any level. Acceptance means you fully agree. Look it up.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 And sorry, but you sound like a kid. When you claim that every employer includes sexual orientation in their antidiscrimination policies or they'd be sued, it shows your naivet'e. Companies are free to include it if they wish, but are not required to in 29 states and many do not. And the state and local governments absolutely do not include sexual orientation in their policies in those 29 states. Many have been fired and have no recourse under the law.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 It's very disrespectful to make that type of assumption and hypocritical when you jumped into the conversation naming-calling and labeling, which doesn't show much maturity in itself. Also the person you're defending is Christian, just to let you know. I don't agree with people being fired because you are gay, but how would the employer know your sexual orientation? Your personal life has nothing to do with your interview and employers asking such questions can get in trouble.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Are you kidding me? How do our employers know we're straight? We have pictures of our spouses and kids on our desk. We talk to co-workers about our families, who we're dating or what we did this weekend. It's natural conversation for most of us. Unless gay people have no pictures, talk about nothing with their co-workers about dating or their spouse or their weekend, how would employers not know? It's not like they go around telling everyone they're gay, they just don't hide..
peepers60 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 ...it, like the rest of us don't And why should they have to go through all the effort to hide their private lives from their employer in order to keep their job. You act as if anti-employment discrimination for gays isn't necessary because it would never happen. But it does. And why won't the church support anti-discrimination laws? I'm sorry, but you are really naive about this issue. By the way, I'm not gay. Don't know why you would just assume that I am.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 I didn't assume you were gay, and I'm not naive about this issue. The standing problem is homosexuals interviewed and being denied job opportunities in the interviewing process. The law as it stands allows people to not hire anyone if they suspect they're gay, not allow them a job and fire them because they're gay. In an interview, employers don't ask such questions about your personal life and it would be tremendously unethical to fire someone now you know they're gay. part 1
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Of course they don't ask personal questions like that during interviews, but do you think once someone is hired, they are secure in their employment until they decide to leave. People are certainly denied jobs based on employers' perception of someone's sexuality, but I didn't even mention that. I'm talking about people being fired. You have to be hired first, to be fired. And gay people have to go to great lengths to hide the fact that they're gay and shouldn't have to.
peepers60 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 You are obviously very naive on the subject when you just assume it never happens. Why would gay people even ask for anti-employment discrimination laws if it isn't a problem, if people are so accepting, if it never happens. Get a clue, please.
And of course there are employers who don't discriminate. That proves nothing. You're argument is that since gay people work, there is no discrimination? What planet do you live on?
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 Once again you can make a point without being an asshole. Insulting me doesn't prove your point, knowledge does. If you can't learn to be respectful, this conversation is over. You fail to show any intellectual standing when you insult or belittle your opponent.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 You're one to talk about being an asshole. You've been nothing but disrespectful, insulting and belittling to everyone on this thread. If anything I'm just matching your tone. Apparently that lady you were talking to won't even come back here anymore. There's a reason for that. Maybe you should look at your own posts because you don't even seem to realize it. And nobody's got a gun to your head. You can go away anytime you want. Nobody's stopping you.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 yeah says the pot calling the kettle black. You jumped in here insulting and calling me a Nazi because I'm Christian. Wow you're very tolerant. For your information, I didn't insult or belittle anyone on this thread , I disagreed. You definitely can't prove it and that's a huge lie. Nice try . So if I disagree with someone, it means I'm insulting them? How do you know she won't return, did you speak to her? I can talk to anyone and not resort to name-calling unlike you.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Jesus Christ honey, you want to get down from that cross please. You really need to stop playing the victim. I never called you a nazi (look back at the post) but you right away accused me of it because you hear only what you want to and can't stand to have anyone disagree with you. Now in your mind I called you a nazi when it never happened. Do you even realize where I came into the conversation? You accused that lady of being mean to you when she was using phrases like.....
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 When you say I would disagree with Jews being intolerant of Nazis, you're pretty much stating I would agree with Nazism. You're trying to discredit my opinion. I never heard what I wanted to hear or randomly attacked people on this thread but addressed one person first not have her respond to me. She was flaky on her own argument stating it is biological, then there isn't any proof which is contradictory. I do realize when you came in this conversation, as a matter of fact you...
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 P1: Are you for real? Do you not even hear yourself? You're having a tantrum because I called you names and in this post, you just called that lady a flake. I guess it's OK for you to be insulting. You don't even notice when you do it, but if it's done to you, you throw a fit. And no, you still don't get it. The analogy doesn't even have anything to do with your take on Nazi Germany. How do you not get that? The example is extreme sure, but for a reason...to try to illustrate
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 Saying her message was contradictory is insulting? I pointed out a fallacy not insult her intelligence. "the analogy doesn't even have anything to do with your take on Nazi Germany." Ok but you said I would accuse the Jews of being intolerant of the Nazis, so that statement would mean I would think the Nazis were justified in their behavior towards them. I do know enough about the holocaust to know that comparing homosexual rights taken away to that is extremely disturbing.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 You called her a flake. That's name calling which you accuse other people of but take no responsibility yourself. And I wasn't comparing gay marriage to the holocaust. Your misstatements and false accusation are becoming tiresome. Truly.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 I said her message was flaky not her. And yes it gets really tiring when you constantly say I don't get it. I do and in that case more than rights were taken away and it was a genocide not a civil rights issue. No comparison.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 P2: ...how stupid it is to accuse people who are hated of being intolerant of that hatred. (By the way, if you knew anything about the holocaust, you'd know gay people were slaughtered along with jews) Gay people in CA had the right to marry and the churches launched a campaign to strip them of that right and you seem to think that gay people should be tolerant of these churches’ belief in stripping their rights away. I wonder how tolerant you would be of someone trying to take
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 Not just in California, I'm pretty sure there are at least 4 other states that provide same-sex marriage and 8 that provide benefits similar to marriage. The only right stripped is marriage and again if you read my past posts, I'm for civil unions with the same benefits. What you state in the context of tolerance is more leaning towards acceptance which is completely different concept.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 P3: ...away rights from you!! And do you even get the irony of your post? You accuse this lady of lying about the number of murders of gay people and she provided you with a frickin list of names. You can google any one of them and verify the info. I did because I didn’t even realize there were that many. But here’s the hypocrisy. You want absolute proof of these murders and employment discrimination or you won’t buy it. But, you acknowledge your own church doesn’t even talk
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 I never accused her of of lying, just said the numbers she stated where inaccurate. I actually looked up the FBI hate crime statistics and they don't even come close. I never said I didn't believe in the deaths happening. Those deaths didn't even happen in the same year! That was just a tactic to claim I'm heartless and guilt me into siding with her. What exactly does the murders have to do with employment discrimination?
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Yeah, you all say you support equality, which is why in 20 states you voted in constitutional amendments to ban civil unions along with gay marriage. Might want to get your facts straight for once.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 Nice discriminatory bias statement. Because I'm Christian I voted against civil unions? You definitely can't prove that or who or what I support because of my beliefs. I voted democrat if you want to know.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 She didn't say in a year. Can you read. She said since the year 2000. You're stupidity and inability to recall simple information is becoming very tiresome.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 No but you know what I have find funny? How much of a life you don't have. You've been following and checking up on this thread for a year, antagonizing other Christians just because you can. Remember this mocking statement"I'm not gay, so I'm going straight to heaven. That's how it works isn't it?" and various other mocking statements. I can't believe I wasted my time on you. You seriously are a intolerant, hateful and conceited bigot. If you actually believe in no god, why.. p1
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 I don't believe in god, that's what an atheist is. And I don't believe in your bible. And contrary to what you've said, I don't hate christians. I have friends who are christians too (and some of them are gay by the way), who are very kind people. But, they don't try to force their beliefs onto others. And that's exactly what people like you try to do. I'm here on this thread because I have gay friends. Why are you here?
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 waste your time on people whom you disagree with just to insult them? Don't you believe in no afterlife? Life is short so why aren't you out enjoying it instead of time spent hating others that believe in a god you know doesn't exist? And with that I leave this stupid debate. Goodbye.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 That's hilarious. I don't have a life because I've spent 10 minutes the past several days responding to your posts? Yeah, I check on this thread every once in a couple of MONTHS. How much of a life do you have that you spent time researching it? I actually have an extraordinary life. If you want to know what I do, just research my posts on other threads. You'll have to go back awhile, but apparently you have the time for it.
peepers60 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Oh, there is a God. Goodbye and Good riddance honey.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 there is no reason to be kidding about the lord,and jesus crists, never kid about something that can save you from all eternaty in damnation, accept jesus into your heart, love him, truly love him, and release all your sins, and ask jesus that you have a holiness life and that you are able to be one of his many soals in hevan,and remember to love and recieve jesus into your life and to love others, and to love and respect yourself. amen. remember,i love u all,and jesus loves u too!
demonavalentine101 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 P4: ...about homosexuality, so I don’t even know how you would know how your church is “tolerant” but you expect everyone to just assume without any proof or evidence that you and all the people in your church are very loving and tolerant people. Do you even get how contradictory that is? I’d be happy to provide you with information about employment discrimination but there’s really not much point when this lady’s list of actual names of victims wasn’t good enough for you.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 I asked again for evidence you can provide if what you say is true. Saying I won't believe it doesn't dismiss anything. Televangelists don't count. What proof do you have that Christians are taught hatred and violence towards homosexuals? Whether I would believe it or not doesn't dismiss the facts because they don't lie. Does a list of homosexual hate-crime deaths supposed to substantiate for employment discrimination?
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 The link provided you with enough information to find what you're requesting, you just didn't want to see it and I'm not going to do the work for you. I'll tell you what. You provide me with proof that your church is tolerant of gay people and supports equality in the form of civil unions and then I'll provide you with proof of employment discrimination. Until and unless you're willing to provide it, you can shut the fuck up about anyone not providing you with proof, hypocrite.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 Ouch you hurt my feelings. lol If you must find proof then here look up Krazie316, Donnie McClurkin, and PC4m's channel. Now it's your turn.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Actually to further prove my point and to show how intolerant and biased you you really are, here are different denominational views on homosexuality. Baptists, Angelician, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, and United Church of Christ allow homosexual membership and participation in church and are against homosexual discrimination and the Church of England advocates actively against intolerance. Mormons and Jehovah's witness' are against it it and actively try to change...
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 homosexuals and convert them. The Catholic pope was against it and considered homosexuality an abomination but preach a message of tolerance and compassion. Lutherans require compassion and tolerance, even though a gay clergyman would be required to be celibate. Check out the association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists as another source of the "intolerant Christians" you speak of.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Uh, to further prove nothing, maybe. It's hilarious what you call proof, especially when the proof you provide is the kind that you would completely reject from others. Sorry if you're getting tired of hearing, but I'm tired of saying. YOU DON'T GET IT. It's impossible to reason with someone of your intellect. And it so happens that red states (which typically have higher %s of christians) are the states to have voted to ban civil unions. Shocking, isn't it?
peepers60 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 All christians claim to be loving and tolerant toward gay people, and yet somehow they are still discriminated against, harassed and murdered. Who's responsible? Atheists who overwhelmingly support gay rights? Ask Danny Overstreet's parents who were told by their son's killer he was a "Christian Soldier working for my Lord" and "wished he could have killed more fags." Apparently, not all christians are getting the same message, and you don't seem to give a shit.
peepers60 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Really? That's your proof? Providing channels for other crazy christians who spread misinformation? You've got to be kidding me.
I suppose you don't believe that discrimination happens to women in the workplace either? You know, documentantation of the problem is based on self report for women as well because as the article mentioned, there's really no other way to measure it. But when it comes to the gays, they'e always lying, right? Pathetic.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 You just made up a whole argument by yourself. You made someone say that they dont beleive in discrimination of women in the work place....then you came back and argued with yourself about something that no one said...but you!
superman4449 5 months ago
@superman4449 Ah, isn't that adorable. Looks like we've made a love connection here. You two are mesmerized with each other, and why shouldn't you be? You both have the same religion, the same logic, make the same arguments, have the same opinions, have the same interest in "ex-gay" people, talk the same, say the same things, have the same bad temper, and compliment each other profusely. Why, it's almost as if you're the same person!! I hope you "two" will be very happy together.
peepers60 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Sorry, but I'm gonna have to agree with peepers on this one. It's hard to argue with someone like you because you seem to think that whatever you happen to believe is the truth and it's up to other people to disprove it to you. You feel no obligation to provide any evidence to support your own beliefs. And that's the real problem. What they really should be asking is can you prove that gay people are not discriminated against and provide evidence to contradict their testimony?
matt86sd 5 months ago
@matt86sd I clearly never stated that which is what is implied. I'm saying not as much as in the but I agree clearly that there is to some degree depending on the situation. This person clearly never showed me proof and verbally insulted me while including sweeping generalizations about my beliefs and what I stand for when clearly i explained multiple times my beliefs aren't like that so why group me in? On youtube as well as in real life I have met countless tolerant Christians..
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 This person provided proof but that of a radical kind and made assumptions in that I believe what they say blindly without consideration. I have met a pastor in college who not only preached for tolerance but love and understanding but it's an old recording so I'd have difficulty finding it. I also have had homosexual friends/acquaintances. If I was taught hate wouldn't I despise them? Just because I don't accept something doesn't mean I can't be tolerant.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Also this person's beliefs are obviously as unchangeable as mine, so why should I be the one to buckle and cave? If you saw my above statements, you'd see this person has been trolling on this page at least a year mocking people for their beliefs. If that isn't intolerant, I don't know what is. Also she failed to show any proof but continuously insulted me as if it was proof enough. Honestly, this person wouldn't be so bold without the internet backing them up.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Now that is an awesome statement! It is like they lurk here! Nevertheless, peepers60 seem to have had some negative experience in his/her life with the church! And in her mind, everybody that goes to church is approving of bullying and hate gays!
superman4449 5 months ago
@superman4449 exactly. You can't say you have Christian friends yet act this way and claim all Christians are like this. So they're not really your friends they're your backup? That's like a racists stating I have a "black/asian/hispanic/white friend" as if that says you aren't racist. Plus even if she didn't like the links, what about all the statements of other churches on the subject? You're just as hypocritical if you just dismiss it as we're all crazy and atheists don't kill homosexuals.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 she can't even prove it was Christians who committed those crimes. Plus you can't tell me I'll never believe anything anyway when you show the same mindset and no proof as well. Prejudice is sad really.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 Be sure that you understand that her definition of tolerance is not loving someone to deliverance and salvation. her definition of tolerance is accepting homosexuality in church as justified. Her definition of tolerance is marraige between the same sex. It is more than just ministering and protecting those that have been bullied.
superman4449 5 months ago
@superman4449 oh yeah I understand what she is, a brainwashed troll who's hellbent on making everyone agree with her viewpoint or shut up. That my friend is the definition of fake liberal tolerance. lol it has nothing to do with real tolerance, just adhering to a group-think mentality. In respect to homosexual marriage, I'm against it but for civil unions and domestic partnerships with the same benefits. I think it's disrespectful to revamp the bible for your own purpose and to please others.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 To be honest with you! i AM AGAINST HOMOSEXUALITY AND Gay MARRAIGE! But ifa person feels that they want to be with someone...they have the right to that in AMERICA! I beleive they have the right to the benifits, tax cuts, insurance and all! Marraige is a holy thing ordained by God...and Jesus himself said that he made them male and female. What do you know about GROUP THINK! Wow! I see you are very smart...lol! Now thats wassup!
superman4449 5 months ago
@superman4449 Thanks superman! lol honestly in terms of homosexuality and the liberal movement in America in general, conservative thought or Christian viewpoints are disregarded as peepers showed and demonized because I don't stick to the general public opinion. In the case of homosexuality or any issue, as I have experienced personally or seen on youtube if your against it, you hate someone or your not for "personal freedom or rights." The language used is meant to brainwash people into..
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 following along with their agenda, disregarding the freedom to choose what you want. Yeah on youtube, you'd be shocked how many Christians are mistreated and false flagged just because they're Christian. I agree for the right in what you stated, which is the ability to choose. This person knows for a fact that other intellectual atheists with common sense would be disgusted by her behavior and lack of debate skills. :)
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 YES, Peepers herself really comfirmed that! This is an agenda to shut the mouth of the church from people who do not believe in God. Thats what the isrealites did with Moses. They wanted a God that they could see and feel and not the invisible God that Moses and Abraham served. So they built Golden Calfs to Worship instead of the only true and living God. They said we dont believe the scribes (bible) and we can make up our own minds! But look what happened to them...
superman4449 5 months ago
@superman4449 yeah, they fall into the dogma of the world and it's values. Seriously agree that they are trying to silence Christian opinion.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 P5: I’ll give you a resource anyway because I actually believe in providing evidence. Knock yourself out. Youtube won't let you post a link so google: "new civil rights movement enda greatest jobs bill never passed". It lays out the issue very well, although, I'm sure it will do little good. You still won't believe it. But of course, you still want us all to believe you and your chuch are tolerant without any proof of it. That's the definition of hypocrisy.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 I saw the link and that's again for interview discrimination. That doesn't prove what you said earlier. The bill wasn't passed for multiple reasons, including omitting transgenders from the bill. It's hypocritical when you can't show any evidence and just claim I won't believe it after stating you have all this proof. You still can't say Christians are taught intolerance.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 ..."please forgive me if I'm not explaining clearly" and "please correct me if I'm wrong" and patiently trying to explain things saying she thought it was just a case of miscommunication. And this lady was mean to you? You take offense at anyone who challenges you on something. And you're just accusing me of name-calling now to avoid answering any questions and avoiding the issues. You've still never actually responded. And it was you who brought up ending this convo, not me.
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 you called me an ignorant ass. And I wasn't deflecting from the situation, I was pointing out how inappropriate it is to insult and belittle someone to make a point. If you would pleases like to get back on topic, what proof you have that homosexuals are being fired from a company because of their sexuality? I didn't deny that homosexuals are being killed and I'm ignoring it (good appeal to emotion), just that the rate of deaths is inaccurate that she described.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 ...And now you talk as if I'm telling you to go away, when all I said was no one is forcing you to stay if you want to end the convo. You twist everything around to suit your own purpose. You deny gay people are discriminated in employment, when it clearly happens. You acknowledge your church doesn't even talk about homosexuality, but you expect gay people to know your church is tolerant. You deny gay people are killed in the numbers they are and only want to talk about....
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 You make false conclusions of cause and effect. Some things are common sense facts, like because I disagree it means I tolerant. There are Christians that speak out against issues they don't like being exhibited from other Christians. You can't really prove otherwise except for pointing out what you see and claiming no one cares because it you don't see it. I keep repeating myself because you keep saying the same thing, which is the radicals you label represent everyone.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 "liberal intolerance" and so called "gay hate groups." You have no interest in engaging in a real discussion of the issue. According to you gay people are not discriminated against at all and have no reason to complain. Everytime someone brings up any wrong being committed against gays, you never actually respond to it. You just bring up another totally unrelated and unsubstaniated issue to avoid an actual response. It's like a little kid saying, "yeah, but he hit me too."
peepers60 5 months ago
@peepers60 no I'm not twisting anything around for my own purpose, I'm saying you nee to show facts and data, not your own personal opinion. If there is such a large number of homosexual individuals being hired and fired as you claim, please show the facts, court cases and news stories. I never don't respond to homosexual discrimination as if it didn't exist. I never brought up another issue, what other issues have I brought up besides the ones you seem to misunderstand?
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@peepers60 You can't prove anything or stay on topic without trying to make me seem naive or stupid. And No I'm not leaving or changing my mind. If you don't like what I have to say, then you can stop talking to me. You're just like a typical troll you can't prove an argument without resorting to immature behavior.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@peepers60 apt 2 Many people are hired and fired in America for various reasons. And what you say is true, no homosexual in America would be employed which is a lie because there are plenty of employed homosexuals who are publicly out and haven't been fired. BTW, I made that remark because you jumped in the conversation without seemingly have read the whole conversation.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
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@peepers60 part 2- make a good argument and stay on topic? If you even bothered to read all of my comments, you'd see I'm for civil unions and domestic partnerships.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 I'm not sure that I understand. It seems to me that the LGBT community is trying to affect change through legal means, so I don't understand the point. And I am not familiar with the case of the person being sued, but there are many frivolous law suits filed in the US every year. I fail to see how this case is an indication that gay people have equal rights. I did provide a brief description of the rights that are denied to LGBT persons in the US. Do you not see it problematic?
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson I don't see those rights denied because they're not. Every place hiring has a clause saying they can't discriminate against hiring anyone based on race, religion, and sexual orientation. Doing so could result in a lawsuit against the company. You still haven't justified intolerant behavior on both sides. You say churches are intolerant and homosexuals that behave the same way are wrong too, then make a statement saying would you be intolerant of your civil rights?..
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson Wait, so since you say homosexuals are denied their rights, they have a right to act however they damn well please? Hmm, if that's not contradictory then what is? Gay people are fun and great individuals, but i don't tolerate anyone who feels because someone differs on an opinion, they have the right to be rude and assassinate their character to shut them up. Which is what is happening but you deny it is.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson who it should be. You can't change people's minds and hearts, but you can affect government policy.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 They wont more than equal rights! They want to shut the mouth of the church! They want more that to be treated equilly and respected. They want to control what is being said in our pulpits. They want ministers to stop preaching what the bible says. In order to do this, they have to attack people like the auther of this video! They have to degrade her testimony with false accusations!
superman4449 6 months ago
@superman4449 I agree and this person needs to be kicked off this thread. I wonder if we can talk to the author of the video.
acidsprinkle5950 5 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 I completely disagree. Preaching against it compounds the issue. Not speaking out against an evil occurring in our midst makes us complicit. Would you consider the average citizen during WWII remaining silent as their Jewish countrymen were being rounded up and shipped off to ghettos and then concentration camps innocent because they did not participate in it themselves? Evil triumphs when good people do nothing.
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@acidsprinkle5950 The modern christian church does not hold with your philosophy. Does it not speak out against abortion (in which it does not participate)?
As I said, the problem is compounded in this case because the church preaches that gay people are destroying the family and thus our society as a whole. And when it is aware of the alarming numbers of gay people that are violently attacked and murdered and says nothing, does it not become complicit?
BrygidaNilsson 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson Again there are people that don't hold that view even when the bible says that. Most churches don't touch on that subject either or daily for that matter. The churches preaching about homosexuality destroying the family don't represent all churches. There are many denominations in Christianity that hold different views and many Christians are divided on many issues. I don't know where you're from or what kind of church you've been to, but if you've never been to America.. part1
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson part 2 you'd see the different types of churches that exist. Besides, there are people that are false Christians and don't follow what the bible says or have ulterior motives and act on their own. There are people who aren't Christian at all and commit these terrible crimes, it depends on what you're taught. As for the Holocaust, there were a lot of other issues that caused it besides good people doing nothing. That's a completely different story.
acidsprinkle5950 6 months ago
@BrygidaNilsson To compare America's hate crime statistics on gays vs.Jamaica or Uganda which are way higher and more of a cause for concern in respect to harm towards homosexuals. What's interesting to me is now "facts" matter because earlier you never used any but went on your on personal experience and emotions while continuing to twist my words into what they didn't mean. As for the fascism comment, I meant fascist thinking not true enforced fascism which as y