And.., under the ice sheets in Antartica there are many fossils from "Dinosaur Times" fossils of dinosaurs and plants. So if the world is the same now as its always been how did the plants and animals (that lived in realitivley moderate climates) get under all the ice if its always been cold and the same? the bible is a "Cliff's Notes" on how to get to heaven, not the complete world history in a book thats about an 1 1/2" thick.
@thebigegg123. Evolution means, if you understand the defination, "changing to suit your environment" in simple terms. If everything in the fossil record existed at the same time from the Permian through the Mesozoic (Dinosaurs) up the Tertiary (giant birds, big weird mammals) until now there wouldnt be room for all the plants and animals at once.
Crazy? Hmmm my Dad is a Christian, however he believes in evolution. Evolution is simply changing to suite your invironment and mutations in genes that are benifical. He says God is smart enough to create life with that ability.
@ajesusfreak1 Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. We are here, apes are here, our common ancestor went extinct. Are you truly so thick that you cannot understand this simple fact? No modern animal has evolved from another modern animal. Evolution never claim they did. You only hear that falsehood from creationists.
@yeshuahfullofit Wait, so where did the Homo Sapiens come from then?? So evolution just stopped? Like, one day they're like, "heck, we got the brains, we're good!" and boom, no more evolution. I mean, you said yourself, no modern animal has evolved into another modern animal.
@ajesusfreak1 Homo homo sapiens evolved from, or co-evolved with, Homo erectus. Evolution has not stopped, but some of its operating mechanisms: environmental pressures; competition for resources; disease, can be interrupted. Some, like mutations and genetic drift, still operate. You may never have the chance to observe them in your limited lifespan as they operate on grand time scales. Some species, like the crocodile, are so well evolved in their habitat that they have no pressure to evolve.
@yeshuahfullofit You're saying evolving is generally based on the weather. Okay, I'll take that, but WITHIN the genetic code. One species can't turn into a different species, but the animals can adapt to their environment. An example is from the tower of Babel, where God confused the people's language. This caused them to move apart. People adapted, thus the blacks (typically) nearer the equator and the whites (typically) nearer the antarctic. By the way, erectus and sapian weren't real.
@ajesusfreak1 "One species can't turn into a different species,...". Sure they can. Read up on "ring species". Study the evolution of the horse or whale. To create a different "species", all that needs to occur is that enough genetic differences accumulate to prevent the two members from mating and having viable offspring. They are now two separate species, even if they morphologically resemble each other.
@yeshuahfullofit Oh, but "ring species" is evolution, isn't it? Alright, we have hybrids, within the same species, and even within the same species, the hybrids (like the mule or lyger) are infertile. Animals adapting is obvious all around us. But, within the genetic code. There are hundreds of varieties of dogs, but a dog is a dog is a dog. It's physically impossible to mate a dog with a cat or vise versa.
@ajesusfreak1 Only an isolated population of wolves were subjected to the evolutionary environmental and selective breeding pressures exerted by man, and evolved into dogs. A dog will respond to a man pointing, a wolf will not. Wolves only bark when juvenile, dogs bark in maturity. We have evolved dogs to retain the juvenile features of wolves into adulthood.
@yeshuahfullofit Man-made, though. Not just random chance. Evolutionists specifically tried to tame the wolf. That was not random chance. That was done by CREATORS.
@gordodacat A hypothesis has to be well supported by evidence before it can be called a theory. Aquatic ape is an interesting idea, and I would love if it were true, but it's still little more than fascinating speculation at this point. Even Einstein wasn't taken seriously, and rightly so, until he made predictions that tested positive. So please don't fall into the trap of pseudoscience by fervently believing you have the answer to a question. That's not how science works.
the MANY parallels of Hominids and Aquatic animals in Physiology like....Fat under skin not organs, Controlled breathing, Hairless skin, Mechanisms to expel excess salt (sweat and tears) And new concrete evidence that the environment of the Great Rift valley was NOT a dry savannah But a lush wooded area with Water dwelling animal fossils!...Because a New theory goes against conventional beliefs does not make it a pseudoscience. .
@gordodacat I think your mistake is your lack of understanding of current model. Its validity has nothing to do with convention, quite the contrary. The entire history of anthropology is made up of instances where conventional assumptions were challenged and then overturned by the evidence. I think you should take the time to learn the current theory in detail before you make such matter-of-fact assertions about it and what it can or can't explain.
@F1NGER Believe me , i know the current theory , and it is pretty arrogant of you to assume that i don't. The current theory simply does a very poor job at explaining Many human adaptations.
The current theory has BEEN part of the anthropological establishment for quite some time now...making it the mainstream idea that hard headed individuals still try to defend despite the obvious.
@gordodacat Are you an anthropologist? Because that's the only way I would believe you when you say "I know the current theory." If you are, then stop wasting time here and go publish a paper on the subject. If you're not, then you don't understand the theory (even if you're convinced you do.) We're talking about an entire field of science that takes years of intense and detailed study to properly understand. Ask yourself honestly, do you REALLY know as much as you think you do?
@trancemight It's not a fight between religion and science. It's between 2 religions. In order to have a religion, you need to believe and have faith in something. Science is thoroughly examining your fact, and extracting a theory from it that is non-biased towards your initial belief. Evolutionists look at a bone and think, "How does this fit into evolution?" Real science is unbiased.
@ajesusfreak1 "In order to have a religion, you need to believe and have faith in something.". Bullshit! In order to have a religion, you need to believe and have faith in a supernatural deity/god. Science has no belief or faith in the supernatural. Big difference. Only a 'faithhead' wilfully fails to make a distinction.
@ajesusfreak1 No, I accept the Theory of Evolution as a proven scientific fact. So do religious peple who have not been blinded by false indoctrination. The stories in the biblee are allegorical, metaphorical. You are to understand the underlying messages, not believe literally in each dot and tittle of the script.
@yeshuahfullofit Okay, you "accept" it as a proven scientific fact. I also accept that my God is my savior. "the stories in the Bible are metaphorical, etc..." The parables are, and yes, believe me, I can tell when Jesus is literal and when He is figurative. Your'e right to some extent.
@ajesusfreak1 What is the "meaning" of the story the "Wizard of Oz"? Do you believe a girl named Dorothy and her dog Toto actually went to a land called Oz and had those adventures - with complete, verbatim, conversations with the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Coowardly Lion? Or is the tale about the value of family, friendships and overcoming adversity?
@yeshuahfullofit Hey, that's exactly what I'm getting at! However, the Bible isn't just some kids story. This is our salvation we're talking about here. This is the difference between eternally praising Him and eternally being tormented in the pits of hades, in never-ending damnation. Being separated from God is a very real and scary thing. God loves us, however, and has shown mercy and patience in waiting for the fallen to repent and join Him in perfect unity.
@yeshuahfullofit Imagine being taken care of in this life and the next. Now THAT'S something I wouldn't want to miss out on. Think of the tallest--the biggest--mountain on earth. And every year a hummingbird comes to the tip and rubs it's beak against one side, then the other once a year. When that mountain is finally rubbed away, that's one second of eternity. 2 Peter 3:8-- "...With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day..." (look up rest of passage)
@ajesusfreak1 "Imagine". There you go! Imagine a 12 ft. diamond buried in your backyard. That's something you wouldn't want to miss out on either, would you? It still has no basis in fact. I don't have to look up the passage OR why it was made. The early xians were getting a bit antsy after jeebus claimed they were living in the last days and the kingdom of god had arrived. People were starting to turn from xianity so they came up with that gem.
@yeshuahfullofit Whoa. That'd be pretty sweet. No, I want you to, because it says he's patient with you, and all unbelievers. Unbelievers aren't the problem here, satan is. He's corrupted your minds. After jeebus? Who's that?
@yeshuahfullofit Oh you mean Jesus. When did He say we were living in the last days? And why on earth would people "comfort" themselves with a passage like that? That makes no sense.
@ajesusfreak1 The early xians gave away their property and went to await christ's return in the hills. When he didn't show, the priests tried to retain the folks by claiming that one day with the lord is like a thousand years. Later apologists use this line to defend the 6 day creation myth.
@yeshuahfullofit Where is it in the Bible. I want to look it up. Think about it though, that makes sense. He promised us He would return and ultimately finish the devil off and save us. It's been three thousand years.....hmmmm.....3 days? That's not too bad. I guess you agree with me on that then.
@ajesusfreak1 No. I do not. I don't believe in any gods, nor that 1 day is like a thousand years to manmade gods. Why do you? Also, you haven't explained why you cannot do what your god said those with faith in him could do (Jn.14:11-14).
@yeshuahfullofit Not to man-made gods. No one made God. I believe because He wants me to. He desires a personal relationship with me. He completes me, gives my life purpose. He saves me from my stupid and ugly sin I commit everyday. He's merciful, he created me, he loves me more than anyone could ever love me. He gets me through the day, he gets me through this crazy, messed-up life. I am not of this fallen world. I am of God, the Holy one who deserves my praise, yet I do not deserve His love.
@ajesusfreak1 Death is not the result of A&E's disobediance, they never had eternal life. Even according to xian myth, they did not eat the fruit of the tree of eternal life. Why would there be such a tree if they were eternal creatures? Death is the inevitable end product of life. Nothing lives forever, even gods die.
@yeshuahfullofit Oh, but they did. They lived in the perfect garden of eden, fearing nothing. It wasn't called the tree of eternal life. It was the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God created man. Man surely wouldn't be faulty, and die if God created us in His own image. Death is here because we sinned, and some day it will be taken away. Some day the believers will sit on His right hand, while the rest confess Jesus Christ is Lord, and are thrown into the pits of Hell.
@ajesusfreak1 You are mistaken. There were two trees in the myth and if you had read the bible you would know this. Genesis 3:22, " And the Lord God said,'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.' " That statement clearly shows that man was not created to live forever and death was always included in man's fate. There is no god. There is no 'hell'. There is no heaven.
@yeshuahfullofit Satan has corrupted your mind so that you cannot see the passage for what it truly is. God said this AFTER the fall, are you with me? Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, and God had an angel guard the gate with a flaming sword, banishing them from the garden. Adam and Eve would never have died, if they didn't eat the fruit. They became like God and the angels, knowing good from evil. BUT, they were punished for their disobedience and therefore were banned to live forever.
@ajesusfreak1 I noticed my error and removed my comment. The fact remains that they were not created eternal, otherwise there would be no need for the tree of life, and the myth clearly says they were prevented from eating of it. Which in itself raises an interesting question: If they had eaten from the tree of life could your god have caused them to die? If so, how would the tree confer "eternal life"?
@yeshuahfullofit He already told them they were to die if they ate the forbidden fruit. They ate it anyway. From there they were dead spiritually in their sin, and now they were to return to the "dust of the earth", from which they came. (physical death). But God had mercy on them, and promised to redeem them and all their offspring with a savior, who is Christ the Lord. They sinned, and were punished, but He loved them so much, He sent His son into the world to pay the price of our stupidness.
@yeshuahfullofit Originally man was created to live forever in harmony with God Himself. God would/could never make a faulty creation that would die off. There is no such thing as macroevolution, and never will be. We are His people, the sheep of His pasture. If we are willing, He guides us along the true path, to someday join Him in grateful songs, living with Him. Evolution is always changing in it's beliefs. God's word, however, is like a rock. Strong and steady, it has and will never falter.
@ajesusfreak1 "There is no such thing as macroevolution, and never will be". See "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution" @talkoriginsdotorg/faqs/comdesc/.
@yeshuahfullofit From an evolutionary perspective. Not unbiased, true science. If you truly believe in science, do it the right way. Look up "Answers in Genesis" by Ken Ham on Amazon or something. It'll blow your mind.
@ajesusfreak1 Look up "No Answers In Genesis". They are staffed by former members of AIG and expose the lies, distortions and misinformation put out by AIG. Ken Ham wouldn't know science if it bit him on the ass. The very fact that you believe anything that charlatan has to say makes you look the fool.
@yeshuahfullofit Fine. I guess I'm the fool. I'm the faith head for Christ! I AM a Jesus freak! I'm on fire for His word! "Whoopsie daisy, call me crazy, how'm I gonna catch that fire?!" I am an approved workman of God, not ashamed to proclaim His great word!!
@yeshuahfullofit I'm a noun. I'm not "freaking out" (except in the wild, emotional way) about it. I am a freak. And if living for God is unusual, then I say HECK YEAH!
@ajesusfreak1 "There is nothing so easy as by sheer volubility to deceive a common crowd or an uneducated congregation." -- St. Jerome (Epistle to Neopotian, Lii,8.)
@yeshuahfullofit Then my evolutionary friend, you've been deceived. Now answer me this one, simple question: Have you ever had a passion for something? Now I'm not talking about a "fine, I'll do it, whatever" attitude, I'm talking about a fiery, burning passion. A passion where there is nothing else like it. Have you ever had a passion like that?
@ajesusfreak1 Passion? Yes. You are seeing it in action. I am passionate about exposing to xians the mythical nature of their manmade religion and wiping that smug, pious sneer off of their faces. The more you know about the history of how your bible was constructed, and by whom, the less certain you should be in your "faith". You don't have faith in any god, your faith rests with the men who decided what you would read and what you should think and believe. How's that feel? Now you know. ; )
@yeshuahfullofit No, the sneer's more like a smile of pure joy. That's what it means to have faith. God tells me to have faith in Him, and I obey. You've obviously never felt His peace in a tough situation, or His saving grace, in a dangerous one. I've met an angel (yes, angels exist). God sends angels everyday to protect His believers.
@yeshuahfullofit Haha, very funny. Let's see if you can compete as well as you say you can. The big bang theory (theory, not fact) relies on a growing number of hypothetical things, things that we have never observed - inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the prediction of the big bang theory.
@ajesusfreak1 The effects of dark matter have been observed and measured. It is known to constitute approx. 70-75% of matter in the universe. Inflation only occured from 10 -40 to 10 -34 secs. after the initial 'bang'. You will never observe it. We do however observe the expansion of the universe. Next.
@yeshuahfullofit Hmm, that seems contradictory: "...after the initial bang. You will never observe it." Isn't evolution based on "the present is the key to the past?" Looks like there are a few (convenient) exceptions.
@ajesusfreak1 "You're right. It wasn't.". Yeah, but it is something you god desires from me that it does not have. Your immutable, omniscient, all powerful god has a 'need'? And it can only be supplied by me? What a needy wuss!
@yeshuahfullofit Okay, let me rephrase that. God WANTS you to love Him back. Believe me, He doesn't need anybody. He made us, and this world. It saddens Him to see His creation rebelling so. He simply desires a close, personal relationship with you and with me. He has a love that is eternal, and He wants to share it with you!
@ajesusfreak1 Again, you have failed to present evidence that this god is real or in any way can affect me or my surroundings. C'mon! Don't you have empirical evidence for anything you believe in? Give me a gram of God so that I can weigh it, test it, expose it to radiation and see if it dances.
@yeshuahfullofit Genesis 1:1-2 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
@yeshuahfullofit "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Psalm 111:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge." Proverbs 1:7 "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14
@yeshuahfullofit He makes it clear once you're in hell, you're not getting out. e.g. the story of the the rich man (an unbeliever) lived a rich and full life, but was selfish. The poor man (the believer) lived a broken life, but a happy one. When they both died, the poor man sat with God, and the rich man was cast into hell. The rich man begged for even a drop of water on his tongue, as it would ease his suffering. He also worshiped God, hoping he could get into heaven, but God left Him forever.
@yeshuahfullofit Look up "Heaven is for Real". People have died and gone to heaven or hell. One person saw satan. He described him as kind of like darth vadar, but a lot scarier. When that guy woke up he was convinced God and satan are for real, and became a diehard Christian.
@ajesusfreak1 Seen it. No one has gone anywhere. When the brain is dying it releases dopamine and seratonin into the bloodstream. You are being flooded with halucinogens. No matter what they saw, it only occurred in their minds. It is subjective and anecdotal. No one in the hospital saw any such thing. Why do you consider such flimsy crap as 'evidence'?
@yeshuahfullofit You just contradicted yourself again! "When the brain is dying it releases dopamine...." "No matter what they saw, it occurred in their minds." And what they saw didn't occur in their minds. It occurred spiritually. That's what happens when you have a soul. Everyone has souls. That's one of the sole (no pun intended!) purposes that separates us from mere animals.
@ajesusfreak1 Where is the 'soul' located? How much does it weigh and what size is it? Does it have a color? Is it good to eat? How much can you get for one on Ebay?
@ajesusfreak1 A cat does not possess "theory of mind". Humans develop this ability by the age of 4 or 5. Cats are not self-conscious, they do not recognize themselves in a mirror. I do. Apes do. Do apes have a soul as well?
@ajesusfreak1 Compare Gen.1:30 to Gen.2:7. Notice the phrase "breath of life". Sounds to me like the animals have exactly the same "breath of life" as man. You do realize man is an animal - we are both made of bones, meat, hair, etc.
@yeshuahfullofit The only difference being we were made in His image. Animals have no understanding of God. They're wired with instincts, not a creative and thinking mind. So let me ask you this. If evolution is still going on (and I would see no reason why it wouldn't) why are we the only "species" that got the language, big brains, etc. where exactly did homo sapiens and homo erectus come from?
@ajesusfreak1 Then you are an atheist. You don't believe in Thor, Zeus, Mithra, Isis, the great Juju at the bottom of the sea. You have to go to each 'hell' that they have in store for you, unbeliever. If you think that sounds stupid, you now know how you sound to me.
@yeshuahfullofit There is no such thing as an atheist, because atheists believe in nothing. I am not an atheist if I believe in Jehovah. Therefore, you're not an atheist, either. It's not like you need to defend that, it's okay. You just believe in evolution.
@ajesusfreak1 There is no such animal as a Christian. None do as He commands. None can do the things He says they can do. None show Christ's 'agape love'. And evidently, none have read 2 Tim.2:23, " Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.". "The last Christian died on the cross." -- Friedrich W. Nietzsche
@yeshuahfullofit So the argument of evolution is stupid, is that it? We can and do the things He proclaims, every day! I can't even count how many times miracles have happened in my life, but one example is this: Our whole family was going snowmobiling (about 5 years ago) and we came to a lake. Then out of nowhere this snowmobiler comes up and stops us, saying the lake isn't safe to go on. We thanked him, and I literally looked away for 1 second, and that guardian angel was gone.
@ajesusfreak1 Yes. There is no argument. Evolution is fact. The only people on the entire planet that have any problem with it is fundamentalist religious folk. Every scientific field supports and confirms evolution as a fact. It is one of the most tested disciplines in science. It makes predictions that, when tested, perform exactly as predicted. The ONLY reason fundies dislike evolution is that it negates the Adam and Eve fable and destroys the concept of 'original sin'. WWJD? Who cares?
@yeshuahfullofit But it changes all the time! God's word never changes! (and it's still accurate) I care! I am SO pumped right now! Nothing, and I say NOTHING can bring me down! I am so happy that Jesus is my Savior! Fight me and call me crazy, but I believe that He is Lord over all the living! My life has purpose because of Him, without Him, I have no purpose. God is all powerful, omniscient, and just downright awesome! He lives in me, and satan nor this world can bring me down!
@yeshuahfullofit Think about it! A loving God who takes care of you? Do you not desire that? I am proud to be called a freak for Him. I can do ANYTHING through Him who gives me strength! Why do you wish to go on living without Him? Can't you see He's the solution to all your problems?? He's there for you! Believe in Him! Let Him guide you throughout life! The Bible is my evidence, He is my Rock and my salvation, my fortress that will never fail.
@ajesusfreak1 You are either mistaken or a liar. Memory is a funny thing, especially after 5 years. I don't believe for one second that an angel appeared from nowhere on a snowmobile, delivered a timely warning, then disappeared in the one second it took you to look away. Occam's razor says you have a faulty memory or you are lying your ass off. I don't care which because I find you and this dialogue boring. Stay in class and practice your apologetics, You need it.
@yeshuahfullofit Well, would it work for a legion of angels to come flying down out of the sky, proclaiming: "DON'T GO ON THE LAKE! GLOOOOOOOOOOORIA!" and then just leave??! Yep, I'll study.
@yeshuahfullofit Non-christians, like you, cannot be neutral in their stance toward God. For example: "The one who is not with Me is against Me, and the one who does not gather with Me scatters." Matthew 12:30
@yeshuahfullofit Exactly. You aren't neutral because you despise both allah and Jehovah. Being neutral means you don't care. And after two days of arguing, you can't sit at that computer and tell me you don't despise Christianity.
@ajesusfreak1 Because all you have done is established that you believe in hell, you have not established the reality or actuality of such a place. You can believe in angels with sharp, pointy titties. That doesn't mean I have to fear getting my eye poked out.
@yeshuahfullofit Everyone has only one life in which to determine their destiny (Hebrews 9:27 Heaven or hell is determined by whether a person believes (puts their trust) in Christ alone to save them (John 3:16, Everyone will exist eternally either in heaven or hell (Daniel 12:2,3; Matthew 25:46; John 5:28; Revelation 20:14,15 Hell is conscious torment.
Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone Hell is eternal and irreversible. Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”
Revelation 20:15 “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire"
@yeshuahfullofit The second chance view – After death there is still a way to escape hell.
Answer: “It is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). A loving God would not send people to a horrible hell. Response: God is just (Romans 2:11). God has provided the way of salvation to all (John 3:16,17; 2 Corinthians 5:14,15; 1 Timothy 2:6; 4:10; Titus 2:11; 2 Peter 3:9).
Therefore God doesn’t send people to hell, they choose it (Romans 1:18,21,25).
@ajesusfreak1 Nonsense. Rejecting god is not 'choosing' hell. It's just not choosing god. That is just a ridiculous xian assertion. You make it a default setting. That is not a 'choice'.If I had the choice of 1) believing in god; 2) not believing in god; 3) going to hell; 4) not going to hell; or 5) fuck your god and your hell, I'm going to Tampa!, THEN and only then would going to hell be considered a "choice" that an individual could make.
@yeshuahfullofit "Rejecting God is not 'choosing' hell. It's just not choosing God." Same thing. Like He said, "if you're not with Me, you're against Me." Numbers 1-4 are choosing hell over the Supreme Ruler of the Universe.
@ajesusfreak1 Bull. Just because some ancient old fart wrote that shit on a piece of goat skin doesn't make it so. Show me something REAL xian wannabe. Cure a leper or a blind man by your word alone. Jesus said you can do it IF you "have faith in me"(Jn.14:12). Show me the power of your god, not platitudes. Bet you can't do it because your god is not real.
@yeshuahfullofit That ancient man wrote it while inspired by God. And you left out the part of His will. If it was in His will, I could certainly do it.
@ajesusfreak1 Au contraire, mon frere. It is in his will. It is you who does not read far enough. "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father". He doesn't give a shit about your petty reasons, he has his own reason to do it,to bring glory to the Father! There is no wiggle room, you are trapped. Either you can do it or the bible is not the word of god, or jesus didn't say it, or you don't have faith in him and that makes you an atheist. You 'choose'.
@yeshuahfullofit Yep. In HIS name. If I ask for it in HIS name, and if it is in HIS will, then so shall it be done! Haha, no, He's not a glory-hound. He's perfect and blameless, and loves me because He created me. He hates it when we turn away, because He loves us so much. Yes, it is necessary to praise Him, but praise Him out of thankfulness of what He has done! HALLELUJAH!
@ajesusfreak1 Then why bother praying or asking for anything? If it is in his will you're gonna' get it anyway, if not you won't get it no matter how much you pray. Doesn't sound like you have any advantage over a heathen.
@yeshuahfullofit No, you have to consent to His will for your life. You have to give your life to Him, to let Him hold you in His arms. Athiets aren't following God's will for their lives.
@yeshuahfullofit Does osiris claim to protect you, or just slaughter you if you don't worship him? And no, I'm not following osiris' will for my life.
@ajesusfreak1 I can quote scripture, as well. Ecc.3:19-20, " Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All got to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return". (that's one of my fav's) ; 0
@yeshuahfullofit Read it also. We all indeed came from dust, and to dust we will all return, as a result of our sinful nature and this stinking, fallen world. Everything IS meaningless in the world. EVERYthing. But one: the people. I don't give a dang about anything worldly or ungodly. I do however, love the people, because we are His creation, and we are His servants. We don't deserve His unfailing love, but He promises to redeem us anyway! That calls for some thankfulness!
@ajesusfreak1 Opinion and bald assertion. Not one fact in that whole comment. Do better. I expected more from someone who considered me such a threat that they had to run to school and collect three books from AIG to confront me. The only unpardonable sin to me is if you bore me. Try harder.
@yeshuahfullofit "Not one fact in that whole comment." Ditto. Oh, no, I walked. My school is my house, y'know!! Get ready for some more Ken Ham! First off, Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thought and intentions of the heart."
@yeshuahfullofit People have come to Christ by the Holy Spirit working miracles in them. I can do NOTHING without His help. I am NOTHING without Him. My life would be empty, void and worthless without Jesus Christ as my Savior. Also, you're living proof of Him. He created you, y'know.
the early humanoids were food for so many other predators
asdfqwervd 1 week ago
the madness of atheistic evolution in full stride. lol
whiteliketar 1 week ago
And.., under the ice sheets in Antartica there are many fossils from "Dinosaur Times" fossils of dinosaurs and plants. So if the world is the same now as its always been how did the plants and animals (that lived in realitivley moderate climates) get under all the ice if its always been cold and the same? the bible is a "Cliff's Notes" on how to get to heaven, not the complete world history in a book thats about an 1 1/2" thick.
WoodyWV38 2 weeks ago
@thebigegg123. Evolution means, if you understand the defination, "changing to suit your environment" in simple terms. If everything in the fossil record existed at the same time from the Permian through the Mesozoic (Dinosaurs) up the Tertiary (giant birds, big weird mammals) until now there wouldnt be room for all the plants and animals at once.
WoodyWV38 2 weeks ago
Crazy? Hmmm my Dad is a Christian, however he believes in evolution. Evolution is simply changing to suite your invironment and mutations in genes that are benifical. He says God is smart enough to create life with that ability.
WoodyWV38 1 month ago
@WoodyWV38 your dads not a very good Christian since the bible contradicts evoloution
thebigegg123 2 weeks ago
Debates again. You people are cool. All of you people are cool.
DaggerViper 1 month ago
Why are there still apes living today if they supposedly evolved?!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor. We are here, apes are here, our common ancestor went extinct. Are you truly so thick that you cannot understand this simple fact? No modern animal has evolved from another modern animal. Evolution never claim they did. You only hear that falsehood from creationists.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Wait, so where did the Homo Sapiens come from then?? So evolution just stopped? Like, one day they're like, "heck, we got the brains, we're good!" and boom, no more evolution. I mean, you said yourself, no modern animal has evolved into another modern animal.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Homo homo sapiens evolved from, or co-evolved with, Homo erectus. Evolution has not stopped, but some of its operating mechanisms: environmental pressures; competition for resources; disease, can be interrupted. Some, like mutations and genetic drift, still operate. You may never have the chance to observe them in your limited lifespan as they operate on grand time scales. Some species, like the crocodile, are so well evolved in their habitat that they have no pressure to evolve.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit You're saying evolving is generally based on the weather. Okay, I'll take that, but WITHIN the genetic code. One species can't turn into a different species, but the animals can adapt to their environment. An example is from the tower of Babel, where God confused the people's language. This caused them to move apart. People adapted, thus the blacks (typically) nearer the equator and the whites (typically) nearer the antarctic. By the way, erectus and sapian weren't real.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 "One species can't turn into a different species,...". Sure they can. Read up on "ring species". Study the evolution of the horse or whale. To create a different "species", all that needs to occur is that enough genetic differences accumulate to prevent the two members from mating and having viable offspring. They are now two separate species, even if they morphologically resemble each other.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Oh, but "ring species" is evolution, isn't it? Alright, we have hybrids, within the same species, and even within the same species, the hybrids (like the mule or lyger) are infertile. Animals adapting is obvious all around us. But, within the genetic code. There are hundreds of varieties of dogs, but a dog is a dog is a dog. It's physically impossible to mate a dog with a cat or vise versa.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Give it a million years, or so. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Haha, I don't believe so. :D
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 A "dog" is a wolf with 10,000 years of human caused evolution.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Wolves are wild dogs. Wolves still exist, don't they? If they truly evolved to the modern dog, then there would be no more wolves!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Only an isolated population of wolves were subjected to the evolutionary environmental and selective breeding pressures exerted by man, and evolved into dogs. A dog will respond to a man pointing, a wolf will not. Wolves only bark when juvenile, dogs bark in maturity. We have evolved dogs to retain the juvenile features of wolves into adulthood.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Man-made, though. Not just random chance. Evolutionists specifically tried to tame the wolf. That was not random chance. That was done by CREATORS.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 You could just as well say that dogs were caused by environmental pressures and intraspecies competition - us.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Again, a dog is a dog is a dog. Dogs are tamed wolves! Wolves are wild dogs! Dogs aren't an evolved version of wolves.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
Fuck god! and religion of course!
DisturbedZelda 1 month ago
lol really nerdy talk
MegaDaquil 1 month ago
hi peoples :D
MegaDaquil 1 month ago
only a theory or just a nice story.....kind of like alice in wonderland.
darkfur35 2 months ago
Prehistoric man was a forager, and a scavenger much more so than a hunter. The idea that prehistoric man was a "hunter" is mostly a myth.
1imesub 2 months ago
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F1NGER 2 months ago
Watched this in my biological anthropology class, didn't want class to end :D
ismelljello 2 months ago
00:20 = AQUATIC APE THEORY
gordodacat 2 months ago
@gordodacat A hypothesis has to be well supported by evidence before it can be called a theory. Aquatic ape is an interesting idea, and I would love if it were true, but it's still little more than fascinating speculation at this point. Even Einstein wasn't taken seriously, and rightly so, until he made predictions that tested positive. So please don't fall into the trap of pseudoscience by fervently believing you have the answer to a question. That's not how science works.
F1NGER 2 months ago
@F1NGER if u want to talk about evidence sure:
the MANY parallels of Hominids and Aquatic animals in Physiology like....Fat under skin not organs, Controlled breathing, Hairless skin, Mechanisms to expel excess salt (sweat and tears) And new concrete evidence that the environment of the Great Rift valley was NOT a dry savannah But a lush wooded area with Water dwelling animal fossils!...Because a New theory goes against conventional beliefs does not make it a pseudoscience. .
gordodacat 2 months ago
@gordodacat I think your mistake is your lack of understanding of current model. Its validity has nothing to do with convention, quite the contrary. The entire history of anthropology is made up of instances where conventional assumptions were challenged and then overturned by the evidence. I think you should take the time to learn the current theory in detail before you make such matter-of-fact assertions about it and what it can or can't explain.
F1NGER 2 months ago
@F1NGER Believe me , i know the current theory , and it is pretty arrogant of you to assume that i don't. The current theory simply does a very poor job at explaining Many human adaptations.
The current theory has BEEN part of the anthropological establishment for quite some time now...making it the mainstream idea that hard headed individuals still try to defend despite the obvious.
gordodacat 2 months ago
@gordodacat Are you an anthropologist? Because that's the only way I would believe you when you say "I know the current theory." If you are, then stop wasting time here and go publish a paper on the subject. If you're not, then you don't understand the theory (even if you're convinced you do.) We're talking about an entire field of science that takes years of intense and detailed study to properly understand. Ask yourself honestly, do you REALLY know as much as you think you do?
F1NGER 2 months ago
@F1NGER Funny , I was thinking the EXACT same thing about you....Especially your last question.!
gordodacat 2 months ago
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@gordodacat The important thing is that you've found an excuse not to learn anything more than you already know. Good job.
F1NGER 2 months ago
The tone of U.S documentaries is so irritating.
craigpsimpson 2 months ago
lol its funny to watch how religiuos and science people argues.
trancemight 2 months ago
@trancemight It's not a fight between religion and science. It's between 2 religions. In order to have a religion, you need to believe and have faith in something. Science is thoroughly examining your fact, and extracting a theory from it that is non-biased towards your initial belief. Evolutionists look at a bone and think, "How does this fit into evolution?" Real science is unbiased.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 "In order to have a religion, you need to believe and have faith in something.". Bullshit! In order to have a religion, you need to believe and have faith in a supernatural deity/god. Science has no belief or faith in the supernatural. Big difference. Only a 'faithhead' wilfully fails to make a distinction.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Look it up. It's both. Do you believe in evolution???
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 No, I accept the Theory of Evolution as a proven scientific fact. So do religious peple who have not been blinded by false indoctrination. The stories in the biblee are allegorical, metaphorical. You are to understand the underlying messages, not believe literally in each dot and tittle of the script.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Okay, you "accept" it as a proven scientific fact. I also accept that my God is my savior. "the stories in the Bible are metaphorical, etc..." The parables are, and yes, believe me, I can tell when Jesus is literal and when He is figurative. Your'e right to some extent.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 What is the "meaning" of the story the "Wizard of Oz"? Do you believe a girl named Dorothy and her dog Toto actually went to a land called Oz and had those adventures - with complete, verbatim, conversations with the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Coowardly Lion? Or is the tale about the value of family, friendships and overcoming adversity?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Hey, that's exactly what I'm getting at! However, the Bible isn't just some kids story. This is our salvation we're talking about here. This is the difference between eternally praising Him and eternally being tormented in the pits of hades, in never-ending damnation. Being separated from God is a very real and scary thing. God loves us, however, and has shown mercy and patience in waiting for the fallen to repent and join Him in perfect unity.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Imagine being taken care of in this life and the next. Now THAT'S something I wouldn't want to miss out on. Think of the tallest--the biggest--mountain on earth. And every year a hummingbird comes to the tip and rubs it's beak against one side, then the other once a year. When that mountain is finally rubbed away, that's one second of eternity. 2 Peter 3:8-- "...With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day..." (look up rest of passage)
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 "Imagine". There you go! Imagine a 12 ft. diamond buried in your backyard. That's something you wouldn't want to miss out on either, would you? It still has no basis in fact. I don't have to look up the passage OR why it was made. The early xians were getting a bit antsy after jeebus claimed they were living in the last days and the kingdom of god had arrived. People were starting to turn from xianity so they came up with that gem.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Whoa. That'd be pretty sweet. No, I want you to, because it says he's patient with you, and all unbelievers. Unbelievers aren't the problem here, satan is. He's corrupted your minds. After jeebus? Who's that?
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Oh you mean Jesus. When did He say we were living in the last days? And why on earth would people "comfort" themselves with a passage like that? That makes no sense.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 The early xians gave away their property and went to await christ's return in the hills. When he didn't show, the priests tried to retain the folks by claiming that one day with the lord is like a thousand years. Later apologists use this line to defend the 6 day creation myth.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Where is it in the Bible. I want to look it up. Think about it though, that makes sense. He promised us He would return and ultimately finish the devil off and save us. It's been three thousand years.....hmmmm.....3 days? That's not too bad. I guess you agree with me on that then.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 No. I do not. I don't believe in any gods, nor that 1 day is like a thousand years to manmade gods. Why do you? Also, you haven't explained why you cannot do what your god said those with faith in him could do (Jn.14:11-14).
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Not to man-made gods. No one made God. I believe because He wants me to. He desires a personal relationship with me. He completes me, gives my life purpose. He saves me from my stupid and ugly sin I commit everyday. He's merciful, he created me, he loves me more than anyone could ever love me. He gets me through the day, he gets me through this crazy, messed-up life. I am not of this fallen world. I am of God, the Holy one who deserves my praise, yet I do not deserve His love.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 You believe because you want to. The reason you want to believe is because you fear death. Death is as natural as life.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Death is the result of Adam and Eve disobeying God. I don't fear death because I know I'm going to a better place.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Death is not the result of A&E's disobediance, they never had eternal life. Even according to xian myth, they did not eat the fruit of the tree of eternal life. Why would there be such a tree if they were eternal creatures? Death is the inevitable end product of life. Nothing lives forever, even gods die.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Oh, but they did. They lived in the perfect garden of eden, fearing nothing. It wasn't called the tree of eternal life. It was the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God created man. Man surely wouldn't be faulty, and die if God created us in His own image. Death is here because we sinned, and some day it will be taken away. Some day the believers will sit on His right hand, while the rest confess Jesus Christ is Lord, and are thrown into the pits of Hell.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 You are mistaken. There were two trees in the myth and if you had read the bible you would know this. Genesis 3:22, " And the Lord God said,'The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.' " That statement clearly shows that man was not created to live forever and death was always included in man's fate. There is no god. There is no 'hell'. There is no heaven.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Satan has corrupted your mind so that you cannot see the passage for what it truly is. God said this AFTER the fall, are you with me? Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, and God had an angel guard the gate with a flaming sword, banishing them from the garden. Adam and Eve would never have died, if they didn't eat the fruit. They became like God and the angels, knowing good from evil. BUT, they were punished for their disobedience and therefore were banned to live forever.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 I noticed my error and removed my comment. The fact remains that they were not created eternal, otherwise there would be no need for the tree of life, and the myth clearly says they were prevented from eating of it. Which in itself raises an interesting question: If they had eaten from the tree of life could your god have caused them to die? If so, how would the tree confer "eternal life"?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit He already told them they were to die if they ate the forbidden fruit. They ate it anyway. From there they were dead spiritually in their sin, and now they were to return to the "dust of the earth", from which they came. (physical death). But God had mercy on them, and promised to redeem them and all their offspring with a savior, who is Christ the Lord. They sinned, and were punished, but He loved them so much, He sent His son into the world to pay the price of our stupidness.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Originally man was created to live forever in harmony with God Himself. God would/could never make a faulty creation that would die off. There is no such thing as macroevolution, and never will be. We are His people, the sheep of His pasture. If we are willing, He guides us along the true path, to someday join Him in grateful songs, living with Him. Evolution is always changing in it's beliefs. God's word, however, is like a rock. Strong and steady, it has and will never falter.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 "There is no such thing as macroevolution, and never will be". See "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution" @talkoriginsdotorg/faqs/comdesc/.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit From an evolutionary perspective. Not unbiased, true science. If you truly believe in science, do it the right way. Look up "Answers in Genesis" by Ken Ham on Amazon or something. It'll blow your mind.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Look up "No Answers In Genesis". They are staffed by former members of AIG and expose the lies, distortions and misinformation put out by AIG. Ken Ham wouldn't know science if it bit him on the ass. The very fact that you believe anything that charlatan has to say makes you look the fool.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Fine. I guess I'm the fool. I'm the faith head for Christ! I AM a Jesus freak! I'm on fire for His word! "Whoopsie daisy, call me crazy, how'm I gonna catch that fire?!" I am an approved workman of God, not ashamed to proclaim His great word!!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 google the definition of 'freak'. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit I'm a noun. I'm not "freaking out" (except in the wild, emotional way) about it. I am a freak. And if living for God is unusual, then I say HECK YEAH!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 "There is nothing so easy as by sheer volubility to deceive a common crowd or an uneducated congregation." -- St. Jerome (Epistle to Neopotian, Lii,8.)
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Then my evolutionary friend, you've been deceived. Now answer me this one, simple question: Have you ever had a passion for something? Now I'm not talking about a "fine, I'll do it, whatever" attitude, I'm talking about a fiery, burning passion. A passion where there is nothing else like it. Have you ever had a passion like that?
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Passion? Yes. You are seeing it in action. I am passionate about exposing to xians the mythical nature of their manmade religion and wiping that smug, pious sneer off of their faces. The more you know about the history of how your bible was constructed, and by whom, the less certain you should be in your "faith". You don't have faith in any god, your faith rests with the men who decided what you would read and what you should think and believe. How's that feel? Now you know. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit No, the sneer's more like a smile of pure joy. That's what it means to have faith. God tells me to have faith in Him, and I obey. You've obviously never felt His peace in a tough situation, or His saving grace, in a dangerous one. I've met an angel (yes, angels exist). God sends angels everyday to protect His believers.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Hahahahahahaha! You're breaking me up! Tell me more. XDD
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Okay, I would, but I have to finish school now. How about we continue this at about 2:30??
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 It's 2:24 pm where I'm at, right now. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Whoa! It's only 1:20 over here. :D Okay, then, how about in an hour. That should do it.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Whenever you wish. I'll be here kicking xian ass all day. Study hard! ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Yee-haw! Prepare to eat those words, partner! I got all three AIG books right here! My science this year is apologetics.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 So you're unarmed, right?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Haha, very funny. Let's see if you can compete as well as you say you can. The big bang theory (theory, not fact) relies on a growing number of hypothetical things, things that we have never observed - inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the prediction of the big bang theory.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 The effects of dark matter have been observed and measured. It is known to constitute approx. 70-75% of matter in the universe. Inflation only occured from 10 -40 to 10 -34 secs. after the initial 'bang'. You will never observe it. We do however observe the expansion of the universe. Next.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Hmm, that seems contradictory: "...after the initial bang. You will never observe it." Isn't evolution based on "the present is the key to the past?" Looks like there are a few (convenient) exceptions.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Only to you.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Nice comeback.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Aw, it weren't nuttin'.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit You're right. It wasn't.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 "You're right. It wasn't.". Yeah, but it is something you god desires from me that it does not have. Your immutable, omniscient, all powerful god has a 'need'? And it can only be supplied by me? What a needy wuss!
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Okay, let me rephrase that. God WANTS you to love Him back. Believe me, He doesn't need anybody. He made us, and this world. It saddens Him to see His creation rebelling so. He simply desires a close, personal relationship with you and with me. He has a love that is eternal, and He wants to share it with you!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Again, you have failed to present evidence that this god is real or in any way can affect me or my surroundings. C'mon! Don't you have empirical evidence for anything you believe in? Give me a gram of God so that I can weigh it, test it, expose it to radiation and see if it dances.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit I have given you a piece of God (the Bible). Study it.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Know it by heart.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Then what are you complaining for?!?!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Do the math.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Genesis 1:1-2 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Once upon a time, there were three bears. Poppa Bear, Momma Bear, and Baby Bear.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." Psalm 111:10 "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge." Proverbs 1:7 "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 If there is a heaven, I plan on using Proverbs 17:8 for entry. XD
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit It'll be hard to bribe God from the pits of hell. And what would God want from you that He doesn't already have?
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 My worship. XD
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit He makes it clear once you're in hell, you're not getting out. e.g. the story of the the rich man (an unbeliever) lived a rich and full life, but was selfish. The poor man (the believer) lived a broken life, but a happy one. When they both died, the poor man sat with God, and the rich man was cast into hell. The rich man begged for even a drop of water on his tongue, as it would ease his suffering. He also worshiped God, hoping he could get into heaven, but God left Him forever.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 You have yet to establish that a hell exists. What proof or evidence can you offer for my examination?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Look up "Heaven is for Real". People have died and gone to heaven or hell. One person saw satan. He described him as kind of like darth vadar, but a lot scarier. When that guy woke up he was convinced God and satan are for real, and became a diehard Christian.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Seen it. No one has gone anywhere. When the brain is dying it releases dopamine and seratonin into the bloodstream. You are being flooded with halucinogens. No matter what they saw, it only occurred in their minds. It is subjective and anecdotal. No one in the hospital saw any such thing. Why do you consider such flimsy crap as 'evidence'?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit You just contradicted yourself again! "When the brain is dying it releases dopamine...." "No matter what they saw, it occurred in their minds." And what they saw didn't occur in their minds. It occurred spiritually. That's what happens when you have a soul. Everyone has souls. That's one of the sole (no pun intended!) purposes that separates us from mere animals.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Where is the 'soul' located? How much does it weigh and what size is it? Does it have a color? Is it good to eat? How much can you get for one on Ebay?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Just the fact that people believe in religions counts for evidence for a soul. You don't see my cat bowing down to a piece of bark!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 A cat does not possess "theory of mind". Humans develop this ability by the age of 4 or 5. Cats are not self-conscious, they do not recognize themselves in a mirror. I do. Apes do. Do apes have a soul as well?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Apes may recognize themselves, but do they worship things? Theory of Mind is perfect evidence for a soul.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Compare Gen.1:30 to Gen.2:7. Notice the phrase "breath of life". Sounds to me like the animals have exactly the same "breath of life" as man. You do realize man is an animal - we are both made of bones, meat, hair, etc.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit The only difference being we were made in His image. Animals have no understanding of God. They're wired with instincts, not a creative and thinking mind. So let me ask you this. If evolution is still going on (and I would see no reason why it wouldn't) why are we the only "species" that got the language, big brains, etc. where exactly did homo sapiens and homo erectus come from?
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Africa. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit For someone who demands so much evidence, your sure don't give out a lot. Okay, go back farther than Africa.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Man's journey begins in Africa. There is no 'before'. What came before was not 'man', but the ancestral lifeforms that led to hominids.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Okay, according to you, ultimately those lifeforms became human. What did life really start from? Before the lifeforms?
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Me. I did it. I AM. Prove me wrong.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit What? You made the life forms "billions of years ago"? Prove ME wrong.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 You just need to believe. Have faith! ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit I do! IN GOD, THE MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Then you are an atheist. You don't believe in Thor, Zeus, Mithra, Isis, the great Juju at the bottom of the sea. You have to go to each 'hell' that they have in store for you, unbeliever. If you think that sounds stupid, you now know how you sound to me.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit There is no such thing as an atheist, because atheists believe in nothing. I am not an atheist if I believe in Jehovah. Therefore, you're not an atheist, either. It's not like you need to defend that, it's okay. You just believe in evolution.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 There is no such animal as a Christian. None do as He commands. None can do the things He says they can do. None show Christ's 'agape love'. And evidently, none have read 2 Tim.2:23, " Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels.". "The last Christian died on the cross." -- Friedrich W. Nietzsche
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit So the argument of evolution is stupid, is that it? We can and do the things He proclaims, every day! I can't even count how many times miracles have happened in my life, but one example is this: Our whole family was going snowmobiling (about 5 years ago) and we came to a lake. Then out of nowhere this snowmobiler comes up and stops us, saying the lake isn't safe to go on. We thanked him, and I literally looked away for 1 second, and that guardian angel was gone.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Yes. There is no argument. Evolution is fact. The only people on the entire planet that have any problem with it is fundamentalist religious folk. Every scientific field supports and confirms evolution as a fact. It is one of the most tested disciplines in science. It makes predictions that, when tested, perform exactly as predicted. The ONLY reason fundies dislike evolution is that it negates the Adam and Eve fable and destroys the concept of 'original sin'. WWJD? Who cares?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit But it changes all the time! God's word never changes! (and it's still accurate) I care! I am SO pumped right now! Nothing, and I say NOTHING can bring me down! I am so happy that Jesus is my Savior! Fight me and call me crazy, but I believe that He is Lord over all the living! My life has purpose because of Him, without Him, I have no purpose. God is all powerful, omniscient, and just downright awesome! He lives in me, and satan nor this world can bring me down!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Think about it! A loving God who takes care of you? Do you not desire that? I am proud to be called a freak for Him. I can do ANYTHING through Him who gives me strength! Why do you wish to go on living without Him? Can't you see He's the solution to all your problems?? He's there for you! Believe in Him! Let Him guide you throughout life! The Bible is my evidence, He is my Rock and my salvation, my fortress that will never fail.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 That's not a miracle. People lie all the time.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Are you calling me a liar? Because, yes, people do lie all the time, but I did not lie.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 You are either mistaken or a liar. Memory is a funny thing, especially after 5 years. I don't believe for one second that an angel appeared from nowhere on a snowmobile, delivered a timely warning, then disappeared in the one second it took you to look away. Occam's razor says you have a faulty memory or you are lying your ass off. I don't care which because I find you and this dialogue boring. Stay in class and practice your apologetics, You need it.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Well, would it work for a legion of angels to come flying down out of the sky, proclaiming: "DON'T GO ON THE LAKE! GLOOOOOOOOOOORIA!" and then just leave??! Yep, I'll study.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Non-christians, like you, cannot be neutral in their stance toward God. For example: "The one who is not with Me is against Me, and the one who does not gather with Me scatters." Matthew 12:30
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 I am completely neutral. I despise Allah as much as Jehovah. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Exactly. You aren't neutral because you despise both allah and Jehovah. Being neutral means you don't care. And after two days of arguing, you can't sit at that computer and tell me you don't despise Christianity.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 How 'neutral' are you about shit in your cornflakes?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit You just proved my point. I'm not neutral about that.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 "You aren't neutral because you despise both allah and Jehovah". So you do admit that the god 'allah' exists. You old heathen, you!
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Nope. allah's dead to me.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 As your Jehovah is to me. I am NOT a xian. Sound familiar?
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit yes, but what has that got to do with anything? We've already established you don't believe, and I do.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Because all you have done is established that you believe in hell, you have not established the reality or actuality of such a place. You can believe in angels with sharp, pointy titties. That doesn't mean I have to fear getting my eye poked out.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Hell is real. Simple as that. It's not a matter of believing if it is. It's just there, and that's all there is to it.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Hell is not real. Simple as that. It's not a matter of believing if it is. It's just not there, and that's all there is to it. ; )
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Everyone has only one life in which to determine their destiny (Hebrews 9:27 Heaven or hell is determined by whether a person believes (puts their trust) in Christ alone to save them (John 3:16, Everyone will exist eternally either in heaven or hell (Daniel 12:2,3; Matthew 25:46; John 5:28; Revelation 20:14,15 Hell is conscious torment.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth”
Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone Hell is eternal and irreversible. Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”
Revelation 20:15 “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire"
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit The second chance view – After death there is still a way to escape hell.
Answer: “It is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27). A loving God would not send people to a horrible hell. Response: God is just (Romans 2:11). God has provided the way of salvation to all (John 3:16,17; 2 Corinthians 5:14,15; 1 Timothy 2:6; 4:10; Titus 2:11; 2 Peter 3:9).
Therefore God doesn’t send people to hell, they choose it (Romans 1:18,21,25).
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Nonsense. Rejecting god is not 'choosing' hell. It's just not choosing god. That is just a ridiculous xian assertion. You make it a default setting. That is not a 'choice'.If I had the choice of 1) believing in god; 2) not believing in god; 3) going to hell; 4) not going to hell; or 5) fuck your god and your hell, I'm going to Tampa!, THEN and only then would going to hell be considered a "choice" that an individual could make.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit "Rejecting God is not 'choosing' hell. It's just not choosing God." Same thing. Like He said, "if you're not with Me, you're against Me." Numbers 1-4 are choosing hell over the Supreme Ruler of the Universe.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Bull. Just because some ancient old fart wrote that shit on a piece of goat skin doesn't make it so. Show me something REAL xian wannabe. Cure a leper or a blind man by your word alone. Jesus said you can do it IF you "have faith in me"(Jn.14:12). Show me the power of your god, not platitudes. Bet you can't do it because your god is not real.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit That ancient man wrote it while inspired by God. And you left out the part of His will. If it was in His will, I could certainly do it.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Au contraire, mon frere. It is in his will. It is you who does not read far enough. "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father". He doesn't give a shit about your petty reasons, he has his own reason to do it,to bring glory to the Father! There is no wiggle room, you are trapped. Either you can do it or the bible is not the word of god, or jesus didn't say it, or you don't have faith in him and that makes you an atheist. You 'choose'.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Yep. In HIS name. If I ask for it in HIS name, and if it is in HIS will, then so shall it be done! Haha, no, He's not a glory-hound. He's perfect and blameless, and loves me because He created me. He hates it when we turn away, because He loves us so much. Yes, it is necessary to praise Him, but praise Him out of thankfulness of what He has done! HALLELUJAH!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Don't shout so close to your monitor, I can smell the kool-aid on your breath.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Haha, actually it's Gatorade. "Be still and know I am God!" HALLELUJAH! HE REINS!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Then why bother praying or asking for anything? If it is in his will you're gonna' get it anyway, if not you won't get it no matter how much you pray. Doesn't sound like you have any advantage over a heathen.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit No, you have to consent to His will for your life. You have to give your life to Him, to let Him hold you in His arms. Athiets aren't following God's will for their lives.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Xians aren't following Osiris' will for their lives. You have to let him hold you in His arms.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Does osiris claim to protect you, or just slaughter you if you don't worship him? And no, I'm not following osiris' will for my life.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 I can quote scripture, as well. Ecc.3:19-20, " Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless. All got to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return". (that's one of my fav's) ; 0
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit Read it also. We all indeed came from dust, and to dust we will all return, as a result of our sinful nature and this stinking, fallen world. Everything IS meaningless in the world. EVERYthing. But one: the people. I don't give a dang about anything worldly or ungodly. I do however, love the people, because we are His creation, and we are His servants. We don't deserve His unfailing love, but He promises to redeem us anyway! That calls for some thankfulness!
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Opinion and bald assertion. Not one fact in that whole comment. Do better. I expected more from someone who considered me such a threat that they had to run to school and collect three books from AIG to confront me. The only unpardonable sin to me is if you bore me. Try harder.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit "Not one fact in that whole comment." Ditto. Oh, no, I walked. My school is my house, y'know!! Get ready for some more Ken Ham! First off, Hebrews 4:12 "For the word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing apart of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thought and intentions of the heart."
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Allow me to retort...I'm not a xian and I don't believe it. Prove it.
yeshuahfullofit 1 month ago
@yeshuahfullofit People have come to Christ by the Holy Spirit working miracles in them. I can do NOTHING without His help. I am NOTHING without Him. My life would be empty, void and worthless without Jesus Christ as my Savior. Also, you're living proof of Him. He created you, y'know.
ajesusfreak1 1 month ago
@ajesusfreak1 Home schooled. It figures. You should have left it to the professionals.