Alot of what you said about the U.S. healthcare system is incorrect. And let me tell you if you had prostate cancer you would rather be in the US where there is a 100% survival rate rather that in the UK where there is about a 75% survival rate.
At least our UK citizens get a bigger chance to use drugs unlike the 44000 + US citizens who die every year because they do not have medical insurance or the 60% who go bankrupt in the US because they run out of cash to pay their medical bills. What a piece of the US system is. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:” NATIONAL DISGRACE: US Health Care System Kills and Bankrupts and “Tom Daschle: US Healthcare Best In World a 'Myth'
In his video he lies and says we give no treatment to 50 million people!
Jesus christ what a lie.
Everyone swamps our Emergency rooms for treatment. the public pays for them.
When he throws out 50 mill he's using the same propaganda lies as his socialist buddies in the USA. Half of those are 'criminal illegal aliens' who invade the USA. What a dumbass.
The other good percent are the young who don't want health insurance and just pocket their own money.
There actually aren't many people in the US who oppose healthcare reform...we all know something needs to be done. We all do not agree, however, that adopting the same system as other countries with socialized healthcare is the right move.
Got into an accident while living in the Netherlands and one of the first questions they asked me was whether I had health insurance!
I was in pain, in was 3 in the morning and the doctor didn't really speak very much english- the issue of payment was quite frankly the last thing going on in my head, yet it was the first thing in theirs!
Shouldn't the welfare of the patient be paramount to their financial status???
NHS doesn't work because of socialism (I've got personal experience with it) and US health care doesn't work because of fascism. Unleash the free market.
Haha, so you clearly don't even know what a troll is. . . *sigh*, I remember the good old days when trolls were smart enough to know what they were. . . now days everyone on the internet is a stupid fuck (as you've shown).
@rumco Yes because thats the only way you people can handle being called out on your bullshit. Call the other person childish ( Oh the irony!! ) and censor them. . . Truly pathetic.
LOL. This video is made by someone with conflicting interests. He has family working in the NHS. The NHS is a bureaucrats dream come true.
The 50 million uninsured in the USA that he throws out there is not true. Half of that is people that don't want insurance but can afford it. 9 million are ILLEGAL aliens who are flooding the USA from Mexico. Dummycrats want us to fund them too so we all end up broke. Their dream come true.
I love these morons who talk up socialist centralized gov controlled care because they think it brings prices down but it's RATIONED care and quality suffers.
The UK is in DEBT because of the NHS. All of europe and california are getting destroyed by socialist health care costs.
These morons don't calculate the JOBS COST for the black hole of the NHS.
@Thetruthishere11 You ration care too, the only difference is you ration it on the basis of wealth, we ration it on the basis of need. It was not the NHS that caused the debt, it was the actions of greedy corporations in Wall street and the City. You know, the same people who run the HCI in your country.
Not really. People buy what they need here. Yes, we need more competition.
Without those greed corporations then you don't have more than half of the drugs in healthcare industry.
You seem to like Socialism. Show me how the Eastern block countries and the Soviet Union had better health care than the USA while you're at it. You can't.
You'll just throw out the typical rant of every socialist healthcare advocate that you serve everyone. Subpar service and subpar medicine.
Well you clearly don't understand the difference between socialism and communism. . . Let me guess, you watch glenn beck and also think obmama is a nazi muslim communistic fascist who's a coward yet tyranical etc. etc. . . .
Haha, rather ironic having an American talking about another countries national debt don't you think??. . .. Whats there to know about it?. . . Well we, in fact even the most expensive universal healthcare system (norway) pay less then 1/2 of what you pay and get far better results.
It's also nice to know that our governments care more about healing peoples and saving lives rather then going to war all the time to kill people and torture them like yours.
Grow up you fucking troll. . . Of course not, how is wanting as many people as possible not to suffer when they have health issues (health wise and financial) wanting the Gvt to pay the bills?
If you're going to attack my position at least don't fucking strawman it you pathetic son of a bitch.
Oh my god, you've completely lost the plot haven't you? Do you even care about reality, because if you did you would know ALL the facts disagree with you.
I can pay out of my own pocket, if anything I use less money then I put into it through taxes. However other people who aren't as well off have don't have to worry.
Less expensive? when you spend OVER 3x the amount on health care per person then us, yet we still get better treatment & everyone is covered here.
In fact you show how twisted your sense of reality is when seem to think liberal = socialist.
And no they don't want everything owned by the government you fucktard. . . I'm liberal and i'm in favour of smaller government. Just some thing it's better of the government does take care of it. Otherwise companies will rob you for every penny you have and cause thousands of people to die while doing so, which is EXACTLY the case in the US right now.
Yes robbing, just you idiots are too stupid to understand, which is why you pay more then x3 the amount for a worse quality system.
You just don't seem to understand. . . It's not just socialism VS capitalism. . . in their pure form both are evil system. However a mixtures of them proves to work best.
You however have clearly been brainwashed into ignoring reality.
Did i say you has the worst system?. . . NO learn to fucking read what's actually there rather then what you want to be there.
I said you have a worse system then ours and the rest of the western world which has universal healthcare. Which is true by all standards.
you actually think you have the best hospitals in the world? HAHA you poor naive little person. Do you have anything to back that claim up or Like all you idiots you're just saying what you want to be true?
You really have NO IDEA about the UK and Canadian healthcare system. . . Once again you just show you've been brainwashed by FAUX news.
The UK and canada do have longer waits for NON vital surgery. But not for vitals surgery the US in fact has longer wait times for that Because over there it's the people who have money come first no matter the surgery. . .everyone else is treated like 2nd class citizens.
I'm open to truth but you have yet to say anything that resembles it.
There is nothing free about the NHS. The government pumps millions of pounds into the system, that money comes from the taxpayer.
Surely a fairer, more capitalist system would be for everyone to pay or their own health care? rather than the poor working class dragging down the people that work for a living and have actually succeeded. If people want to prosper, they should be allowed to without the government dragging them down, like they are right now with taxes.
@scg159 The NHS was never meant to be a charity all sections of society pay into the tax pot. Simple answer is no it would not be a fairer system to allow the poorer members of a society to suffer and die just because the have less cash than the rich . In most cases "the poor working class" are used by the rich to maintain their own wealthy lifestyles. Not all poor are idle or do not try their best to better their lot, and by no means are all rich, wealthy by their own efforts.
@scg159 the working class is not nessisarily unemployed, that segment of the working class would be refferd to as the "underclass" but i hate that term especialy now the economic climate has cost many hard working people their jobs. The middle and upper class are often reliant upon working class employees for their income, so they contribute to society and should be entitaled to health care that their income would not bring.
Medicine, like most things in America, is a buisness and they make massive amounts of profit from it. thats the only reason i can see for not creating atleast a basic nationalhealth care plan which covers common illnesses and injuries like cancer and broken bones. i know cancer an broken bones are hardly in the same league but i wanted and example for injuries as well, fair is fair after all.
I watched this one thing the other day, and an american person was talking about the NHS. He said "If Stephen Hawking was English, he would probably not be alive." Lol. American people can be so stupid. (no offence to anyone) xx :p
the NHS is the most ethical healthcare system in the world. Free to all @ the pt of need, homeless-bilionaire. Paid by tax. Get rid of mgrs, contractors, private consults, wages cap£50k. Most christian system. Jesus heart NHS.
the price of life has no price. you can't put a price tag on soeone's life. Dr insurence there i have just saved your life $20,000. how can people accept that people who can't afford healthcare are lazy. i hope that the world never adops a "every man for himself"
i've also seen mortality rates for things like prostate cancer that were outrageously in favor of the u.s. market so it cuts both ways. I think people here are resigned to the country destructing slowly and are afraid of the 2,000 page bill and the mass of debt it creates. The government lies to us constantly here and it doesnt have a good rep in regards to running large programs well. It's not that we are satisfied with what we have. It's bill for liberals by liberals and not all Americans.
It irritates me when leftists like rymingwithoranges try to use mortality rates to justify socialist health care. They always conveniently ignore other important factors like diet, environment and lifestyle not to mention the inherent problems in accurately collating and comparing disparate sets of statistics.
Singapore's infant mortality rate is half that of Britain but Im sure he wouldnt use this statistic to promote private healthcare!
Singapore do actually have a very good healthcare system however it's very different from the american system, it's only part private and they have universal coverage
If they talk about the NHS becoming too expensive, then why don't they just function like an insurance company. Doctors become free agents or be independent or form their own group practices and hospitals can form networks and become their own administration and get reimbursed based on the patients they treat. Like in Canada or like the US and Australian "medicare"?
Absolute nonsense. The reason the NHS is becoming more expensive is because of the ever increasing costs for drugs and medical equipment combined with far too much red tape. The drugs companies and engineering firms are pushing the prices up and claiming cost of research, yet they are always declaring insane profits. The NHS is a victim here, and so are we.
yeah i agree it can be wayy disorganised, but i have friends and family who ive visited and theyve had great treatment, i think when something goes wrong it sticks out more in your mind. that really sucks about your leg!! :(
those who complain about the NHS saying they want something else are the fuckers who can afford different, think of the poor buggers in the bottom of the working class (you know, the bigger % of the population) who wont be able to afford it. Sure it has problems, but everything does and really if you dont like it so much, do something about it instead of sitting on you're arse complaining like a little bitch. (oh yea, look at the avg death age before and after the nhs, say it dont work?)
yep, it just needs a kick in the arse to get it into gear, its alot better then a privete system, christ look at the costs of that in the US, something like 60% of bankruptcy over there is medical costs (of which a good half of that or so are insured XD)
i would also like to clarify that i take no issue with european socialism. i love europe. i love that you are all so democratically active. i take issue with the fact that this is yet one more issue that has become a stereotype. we are not uncaring. if we were, our hospitals would turn people away. we are not barbaric. we are not uneducated. let us turn our attention to subsaharan africa because i am pretty sure food and potable water are more important than free pills.
i hate it when people throw the 50 million uninsured people in america around. 12.5 million are illegal immigrants, 23 million chose not to get insurance because they feel they are too young to need it. that leaves 14.5 million americans who are not covered. many of them are able to work, but refuse to. regardless of insurance status, no one in the US is turned away from ANY hospital because it is illegal to do so. i work for my benefits, as do the vast majority. this is not a socialist country.
phx, what about the massive bankruptcy amount (over half of it) being medical bills or the massive amount of people who dont get covered by the insurance provider? Sure its illegal to turn them away, but they still gotta pay for it dont they.
you don't understand our system very well. there is an entire class of people who get by doing absolutely nothing. no, they don't have to pay. they default and the tax payer comes to the rescue. do you realize that the majority of americans do NOT want to change things from the way they are? how is it democratic to trample on the will of the majority? again, i like your blogs and respect your opinion, but i do not think many over seas understand our system. we prefer to do for ourselves.
I was in hospital in a foreign country, not the UK, puking, hardly able to breathe, my body contorting with pain and convulsions. Food poisoning!
The doctors were waiting for my girlfriend to either produce an insurance card or my credit card before they would treat me. In the panic of my emergency we never thought to bring these things. Luckily, a phone call to my employer got me treated.
It's barbaric and inhumane to refuse treatment based on money. Every country should aim to have an NHS.
i cannot understand all the whining and moaning from people about the NHS! clearly the people who do feel its a '60 year mistake' have never had the experience of say breaking a leg, or having to be rushed to hospital with appendicitis, and then not having the worry of does my insurance cover this? or how on earth will i pay for this? youre right. england is full of whiners.
"America is in deadlock over the issue." - good. I'm glad the American people have the power to at least cause a deadlock when they don't want something.
The significiant difference between the NHS and other alternative healthcare systems is that in this country it is political.
I really don't want my good health to be decided one way or the other by anyone other than me and my doctor. I think it is a very personal issue and should stay that way.
The American people were recently polled to be (on a low side) 60% in favour of the public option -- they don't really have the power to deadlock anything, in this case, since they're massively in favour of it., they want reform.
The deadlocking is coming from the opposition party in government, and the lack of action is coming from the government's inability to, among other things, get their members to toe the party line.
"Of course Obama has politicised the whole healthcare issue! He has to or it would be much harder to have it passed through Congress." - so he's cheating the system?
Do politicians have a good record when it comes to thinking up great projects, making a good plan at the beginning and seeing it through on time, in budget and so that it meets the need it was intended for? I'd say - BIG FAT NO - so why trust them with your life?
And finally, onto the video. I think you were dead on, I'm happy to see such a positive response to these horrendous attacks on our historic institution. I'm interested to know what you considered yourself to be politically? I know identifying yourself as left or right can be horribly generalised as people can have differing stances on different issues but I would still like to know what you consider yourself to be in generalised terms. Apologies for the length.
in and suddenly Congress is more than happy to accept his bill. I think the error of your assessment was the assumption that Obama wants mixed healthcare because the people want it and that he has politicised the issue for support. Obama has lost a lot of support because of this bill, America is in deadlock over the issue. If he did this for public support then he has royally screwed up. I think you shall find that the answer to his stance on healthcare stems from his experience of his Mother's
Another problem is that healthcare in this country is politicised. NHS is now the sacred-cow. Nobody can talk about fundamental NHS principles without an angry mob running after them shouting, burn witch, burn.. This video is proof.
You claim yourself, waiting lists are too long, there is room for improvement.
The fundemental issue is the politicians sticking in their noses. Whatever Obama is up to... belive, he is only trying to secure his own future by politicising American healtcare
It's blind faith, we love it but we don't know why. Other people's comments here reflect some of the problems the NHS has.
From my point of view, people I know keep dying early while in the care of the NHS.
The important thing to remember about the American 'un-insured' figures is that many people will be 'un-insured' by choice. If our healthcare system operated on the same basis... I would be uninsured. Never needed to go to hosptial.
I have never know anyone in my 48 years of life (on a personal level) who has died as a direct result of a fault made by the NHS. Sure there will be people who die as a result of negligence etc, however, a privatised system is no less free of these problems than a State system. I would also like to add that those who absolutely need treatment will not be placed on waiting list, they will be treated ASAP.
I think you're looking at the British NHS and deciding that nationalised healthcare does
not work, that is completely wrong. Throughout Europe their are nationalised health institutions (Scandinavia is an excellent example) that have second to none healthcare. However, since Thatcher butchered the public services and chronically underfunded them there has been no change, Labour has affirmed its commitment to the NHS but has declined to provide it the funding it needs to flourish. To add to this there is also a lack of progressive and long term policy to steer the NHS along the right
What does this mean: "Throughout Europe their are nationalised health institutions (Scandinavia is an excellent example) that have second to none healthcare" - who are 'Scandinavia' - blimey, how can you argue with nothing? This just a random collection of words?
I would welcome a health INDUSTRY with open arms. It would be HONEST. It's far more dangerous to merge healthcare with politics - think about it. Should your health be a discussion point for a politician?
course, I believe that was mentioned in the video.I think it's also important to remember Pre-Thatcher the NHS was one of our most successful institutions and was a shining example of the successes of Socialism (woo Socialism!) .An insurance based healthcare system is a terrible idea, while there will be those who opt out of paying health insurance because they can there will be even more people unable to afford health insurance. These are the real losers in the healthcare system. Personally I
"Personally, I believe that free healthcare is a basic right and that being wealthy should not increase the quality of your healthcare" - I don't like your ideals. Are you trying to say that your rights should include free stuff? Not just that you would have a right to a free and just society but that society should also give you things without questioning whether you deserve them or not? It's a very poor basis for a society.
believe that free healthcare is a basic right and that being wealthy should not increase the quality of your healthcare. I think the figures speak for themselves, over 60,000,000 Americans now live without insurance, that is a very large chunk of the American population and I am sure that a healthy majority of those who are uninsured are so because they cannot afford to have insurance. An insurance based healthcare system is a terrible idea, while there will be those who opt out of paying health
insurance because they can there will be even more people unable to afford health insurance. These are the real losers in the healthcare system. Personally I believe that free healthcare is a basic right and that being wealthy should not increase the quality of your healthcare. I think the figures speak for themselves, over 60,000,000 Americans now live without insurance, that is a very large chunk of the American population and I am sure that a healthy majority of those who are uninsured are so
Onto your point about the NHS becoming politicised, while yes it is true (considering it's a matter of government) I feel that if it was widely believed that the NHS should be privatised it would not be the 'Sacred Cow'. Your point doesn't really make much sense as you imply that the NHS's politicisation has resulted in it becoming untouchable, whereas I would say it is untouchable because there is widespread support for our NHS, the issue could
still be politicised if the public wanted rid of the NHS. Linking this point to another you made, people do not support the NHS out of blind faith, certainly people I know have other reasons for supporting it. The British public I believe do genuinely care about the disadvantaged (look at the sizeable majority of the left over the right wing in terms of votes cast).
"You claim yourself, waiting lists are too long, there is room for improvement."
Yes, there is room for improvement. But privatisation is not the only way in which we can improve our NHS.
And finally, your last point. Of course Obama has politicised the whole healthcare issue! He has to or it would be much harder to have it passed through Congress. The whole American system is founded on a belief in checks and balances and the separation of powers, the President needs the support of another
branch (in this case the Legislature) to enact his policies. As a result of his dependence on Congress to see his policies become reality he is forced to co-operate with them or to cajole them into voting with him. Obama has to politicise the issue so he can secure his healthcare bill, he is using something that is known as the 'Bully Pulpit' tactic whereby he bypasses Congress and goes to the People to fuind support for his bill. If they want a mixed healthcare system then accountability kicks
"The British public I believe do genuinely care about the disadvantaged" - who doesn't? But how do you help them? By giving them more of the same things which has gotten them into the mess they're already in? By further expanding the society which hasn't worked for them so far? I don't think so. What would be wrong with a different approach? Why are you so sure disadvantaged people are helpless and will never have any advantages?
"being wealthy should not increase the quality of your healthcare." - so in your ideal world a man can go to work, apply his trade, give up his time and earn money in return. But in your ideal world, he would not be able to exchange his earnings for healthcare? Bizzare! You would take away the right for Doctors and people in the clinical profession to earn a living? Are you saying everyone should get the same level of healthcare so it should be a low standard for everyone?
The proposed plan by the Obama administration is not "nationalized healthcare".
Allow me to repeat myself, just to be sure all the delusional conservatives that keep making shit up and believing the lies about this healthcare bill can clearly understand:
The proposed plan by the Obama administration is not "nationalized healthcare".
It's an OPTIONAL health insurance plan. The government isn't buying or banning anything. Nothing is being forced on anyone. And it isn't funded by tax dollars.
I pay for prescrip charges here along with being heavily taxed to the teeth; they say only minority pays for prescrip to pay for the majority free prescript. I hate that; i pay for it already, why levy on me? i do overtime to help out and save bit to clear overdraft, what happened? Student loan and the income tax increased their monthly share. They should play fair in the UK, i dont mind being taxed for the health of everyone but they should cut the benefit system then well have less taxing.
NHS admin team in most departments are lazy, they are always on facebook etc. Ive seen admins who are irritated bcos pt want to check in, in that sense i would love it if it was privately run so these fuckers can be sacked. Other than that i love it, where u treat individual without worrying abt if they are insured or not. Americans are becoming blind through retinopathy, complication of diabetes. Here we chase those that DNA screening to prevent blindness through diabetes let alone cancer pt.
As an American, I think that the health care debate going on at the moment is completely necessary, although it is quite ridiculous that it has gotten to this point. It seems as if the GOP will do anything to block this bill from passing, because of their lobbies and also because it could be their one great chance of sinking Obama and his major pushes for reform. Aside from that, Americans must learn that maybe "socialized medicine" could be a good thing for them.
Kinda funny that the news started reporting the NHS has death panels. See See (dot) telegraph (dot) co (dot) uk/ health/ healthnews/ 6127514/ Sentenced- to- death- on- the- NHS (dot) html
Canada's healthcare system is imploding as well. There is a big push to privatize healthcare in Canada. It probably will not pass politically, but it is the only practical solution in Canada.
i heart the NHS. i realise it has problems like long waiting lists, massive beurocracy and so forth but i think that it is both admirable and functional on the key issues.
Forced payment into a socialized system reduces the bonds that TRUE charities and family/friend support has with those in need, and substitutes the "I voted for something that I feel is good, so I'm OK" impersonal, rob your neighbor to pay your way system.
Not only that, but it reduces national productivity. As with all socialist programs, why produce and benefit yourself and your nation if you can instead seek simple pleasure with the govt (your neighbors) paying your bills
Americans are so stuck in a rut with this fear of socialism, or socialist systems. The Socialists are the second biggest party in the European parliament, and no one raises an eyebrow at them.
it is only logical to explore the experiences of other nations to more accurately weigh the pros and cons of their particular systems, and, to be honest with you, most of the attention here has focused on our neighbors up north rather than across the pond. If the population of Britain is happy with their health care, that is great, but personally, I definitely do not want a similar system here, and believe it would be unconstitutional. Unfortunately, the Constitution is meaningless nowadays.
. . . ie the fruit of one's labors, the result of their life.
The fact is, it is law that hospitals cannot refuse lifesaving help in the event that an uninsured/underinsured seeks treatment. And many of the uninsured who are not young and freely choose to be unisured, or who are not here illegally and choose to be unisured, are already covered by the socialist medicare/medicaid system.
Please don't take evaluation of your NHS as an attack on Britain. When making a decision like this . . .
I'm a "Yank" and strongly opposed to government-run healthcare. There is no perfect health care system on the planet, and there is no perfect government on the planet. I don't think the two combined will be better than the current system here.
Uninsured: The vast majority of the uninsured are either young healthy individuals who don't want to waste money on something they feel they don't need, or here illegally. The latter group largely does not pay taxes or defrauds the govt of most taxes.
As for the comment on illegals, I speak frankly from substantial personal experience about many individuals whom I know and love, but these are the facts.
You speak of US health research and technology that the world as a whole benefits from. This would be negatively impacted by nationalization, affecting not only the US, but the rest of the world. You should be happy we have not socialized yet.
Ultimately, we have a history here of personal, INDIVIDUAL liberty. . .
that is out of vogue with much of our population nowadays, but very much close to the hearts of others. Many of us believe that the INDIVIDUAL should be the ultimate sovereign of his/her life and the choices in that life, so long as it does not directly prevent another INDIVIDUAL from utilizing their own life, liberty, and property as they themselves see fit. Nationalized medicine is socialism, socialism is govt theft, and theft infringes on right to property. . .
You left out the largest group of the uninsured. Poor people, those below the poverty line. Obama's proposed NHS will only cover the lower half of the people living below the poverty line not everyone in the country. As one of the people below the poverty line but earning just into the the high side of the scale i wont be covered unless i pay for health insurance already unaffordable. So there will be no change at my house unless you count the higher taxes to cover the new NHS system.
To be honest, I don't see the point in complaining about the NHS. Yes, it could be better, and I realise that people don't want to think that their taxes are going to waste, but the bottom line is, if you're not happy with it and you can afford it, go private! No-one's forcing you to use the NHS, but for those who can't, the NHS is a damn sight better than having no treatment at all, like the system in the USA.
The NHS is crap service. If you look at the news today, a damning report has just come out about patient care. The NHS performs badly on waiting lists, cancer survival rates, and it has big problems with dirty hospitals and superbugs. It is a bloated bureaucracy that employs more bureaucrats than doctors and nurses. So many gullible Brits have fallen for this lie that you need a giant Marxist NHS to have universal coverage. We need to involve the private sector much more.
Cuba actually have really good healthcare and a particularly high life expectancy, just because Cuba has bad press doesn't instantly make it rubbish. In fact to be 17th in my mind says 'Well done Cuba'. Not only that but how can you complain at being 18th out of at least 193!?
I don't believe that the UK is the 18th best . I'm pretty sure it's worse than that. The WHO rankings are v. controversial. One factor they take into account is how equally healthcare is distributed amongst the population, so a country that provides a low-standard of care for everyone would score highly! They also take into account life expectancy but other things affect life expectancy e.g. USA has a lower life expectancy than some nations due to poor lifestyle (obesity) and high murder rate.
I haven't checked into the sources, but I did see one video that Hannan was on where he stated that the judgement of a health care system shouldn't be made based solely on life expectancy, but rather the rate of success once someone seeks treatment. In that case he stated that the US scores higher than the UK. This stat would disregard preventative medicine, which is shortsighted in the overall health care debate, but it is important nonetheless.
The 'Public Private Partnerships' Put in to action by Notorious milk thief Margaret Thatcher were truly the start of the downfall of the NHS. The private sector can, by definition, only serve itself. So mixing what is a basic human right (access to healthcare) with people who want to make a profit is imho not the best solution, far from it.
Great, another Marxist. "The private sector can, by definition, only serve itself". Where do you get this crap from? Successful companies make money because they provide a good or service that people want/require. Profit is the guarantee of quality. The NHS is crap. It is crap compared to the health systems of just about every other developed country.
I just stop paying attention to this video for ten seconds because I got a text, i then apologised to the screen for ignoring you. Wow, I'm blond.
But anyway; I believe in the NHS - my dad had knee surgury and did not have to wait long and was treated well. And my grandad was sucess treated for cancer, he also was treated well. Both on the NHS. So I have faith in it.
my father is british and all he does is rave about Britain's healthcare. we live in america and i need to say that the healthcare here is insane it makes no sense how everything works
Well I'm Scottish I've lived in the UK and France and now Holland, I can categorically say the NHS is crap compared to the services in France and Holland.
I would say people get used to things and don't want them to change, living in different countries and seeing different systems gives a good view.
If I have a serious ailment I'm going to France for sure.
secondly being a 18 year old who is now in the boat of The Uninsured Americans which is sinking rather fast, and with Republicans not wanting to do any thing but put more money in the hands of insurance companies who deny care to people who pay good money ever month, and who are later turned away because of a pre existing condition is pure and utter bullshit! not to mention UN-American! which is why I support President Obama! every one deserves health care!
and if you want to start off now saving just $20 a weak in a saving account just to deal with your health needs you will have plenty cash to pay for all your health needs and at the same time make $ on the $ you do not spend with a good renuity saving fund
so be responsible and do the right thing and take care of all your health needs and do not trust the gov to do it for you they will let you down
but 1 last thing the odd's are much higher that you will get treatment and live much longer and survive Colon Cancer and breast cancer and many other illness in the us then in the UK and that is a fact and it not 50mil with out health care it is more like 35mil that are with out and 18 mil are not leigle in the us and the other 12mil are not sick and between the age of 18 and 45 and decide not to have it buy choice and the rest make 6fig income pay as needed
secondly, the americans who dont want things to change are the doctors and insurance people who make buttloads of money off of it and the people who cant afford it obviously have a much smaller voice compared to them.
first of all o do not watch fox and sec spell check or my spelling has not a darn thing to do with the problem at hand so stop trying to belittle some one for being sloppy and third we all ready have gov run helth care doh bet you did not know that and any one that cant afford health care gets it very cheep or free and i watch the BBC all my life and they do lie allot and blow things way out of wak
and buy the way if you remove all the people that die in wars we in the us live longer then yall
thats right if you remove the other ways people die from the uk and the us stats like car crash-wars-and any form of death other then health then we out live yall LOOK THAT ONE UP HOMMIE
The US cannot change their healthcare system for the same reason they will not invest heavily in renewable resources. The political parties are funded by drug companies and oil companies. Watch the Michael Moore film SICKO.
The UK actually needs a system like the US one that is insurance based and linked to our National Insurance contributions, topped up by personal contributions in high risk cases like smokers.
The US welfare system is badly in need of reform and I hope enough people recognize that to get some changes made. It's merely distraction trying to pick holes in existing welfare states rather than acknowledging the consequences of the existing system on those less able to afford good healthcare, or unlucky enough to suffer a long-term medical condition not supported or affordable through insurance.
Great video. When I lived in America I had a friend with a newborn baby who needed to work all the hours she could to afford decent health cover for her, the baby and her husband, who had temporary jobs. Outside Walmart in our town there was an elderly guy, must have been 75 odd, severe limp, worked all his life for the state but couldn't afford health insurance on his pension so he had to work. He said he was proud to be 'still able to go out and work and not rely on help'.
My mother works in one of those run down NHS dumps and her and her colleagues are far from putting their feet up. I think you just need to read these comments to see how out of touch you are.
Glenn Beck is psycho, and I don't mean that as a joke.
The problem is everyone against the Obama reforms is they aren't even agruing against the actual proposals. There is no NHS type plan in the proposed bills. Only supplements or options to the private system. If you want private HC, it will still be there. As for lines, waiting and life saving procedures being denied. We already have that. I am intimately familar with insurance companies and their policies!
I do want everyone to be able to have health insurance. The only problem with a government run health insurance here in the U.S. is that the government CAN'T AFFORD IT. It isn't a sustainable plan with the MASSIVE debt and people wont end up getting the coverage the the government promised them. Maybe once the debt is gone can it work (maybe), but I highly doubt that the spending is going to stop anytime soon.
The NHS is Britain was set up during the second world war, when Britain was in massive amounts of debt and ravaged by war. If we could do it then then the worlds greatest superpower can now.
You're going to have to give more examples to convince me it will work. I think it depends on how much the national debt actually is and how close we are to getting rid of it. Because if we keep spending I really doubt that the health plan will work because it wont be sustainable in the long run.
i have a frend with lupis and not only do the state pay for her health care but they also support her and her 16 year old son with a income to feed and cloth her and her kid and she has had bother her brest removed do to cancer and she did not pay a dime and she had no ins
that sound like a state or country that has thousen of kids with out helth care then y do all the mex come here to have there kids for free,,,,
every one will agree that the us has the best health care in the world i pay $40 and month for health care and i pick my dr and i decide who i will see and i get to see them today if need and at most the watting time for any serg is weeks not years or never
and in the us there is no such think as a kid with out helth care only lazy pearents or pearents that decide not to get it for there kids threw the state stop belevng the BBC they are ling to you all
firstly, try spell check, your comments are quite hard to read.
Secondly, I also get to choose my doctor, I can pay for private health insurance if I want to and jump the queues, the NHS is a viable option for the majority of Brits.
Thirdly, stop believing Fox News THEY are lying to YOU.
you took the words from my mouth.. yes we moan about the NHS but where the hell would we be without it?! I suffer from Non Epileptic Siezures (NES) and without the NHS i would be sat at home all day too scared to go out, but they supply me with my meds. I have a family friend living out in America whom also suffes from NES, however unlike me, she stays at home for most of the day, purely because once she was diagnosed here in England, once back in America, she could not afford the medication!!
I live in Germany and our system is good at providing for all but it is also more expensive than the NHS and doesn't produce any better results. Our contributions support a huge and unjustifiable beaurocracy and it is said that doctors are more influenced by pharmaceutical companies than is good for the patient. I think the NHS is a very good system which keeps commercial influence at a minimum :-)
The US medical system is a joke. I've been stuck in Canada for the past few years (a country which also has free medical care), and everyone thinks the Us is being dumb. My friends and I won't even visit the US which is just a few hours drive away because if we break an arm or something we could end up $20,000 or more in debt from there system regardless of any insurence.
Although the healthcare system is fairer in Britain, it is a waste of money, we spend 100billion a year on it and it´s ranked 18th in the world behind Cuba for example.
The problem with the NHS is that too many penpushers are employed to sit around and sign a couple of papers.
The NHS employs 1.4 million people (2nd biggest employers after the chinese red army) and I very much doubt even half of them are doctors and nurses.
I'm certainly glad I was lucky enough to be born in the UK. Though the NHS needs improvement.
Surely the US already have the so-called "Death Panels" that opponents of reform (including Sarah Palin) warn of, as insurance companies are the ones able to decide if someone can have the treatment they need (even though they have paid for supposed cover already!), or not. I would rather not be held at the mercy of insurance companies, only out for profit, instead of any moral obligation to treat me!
My famly are well off enough to have private healthcare (even tho I have mild epilepsy and my dad has spina-bif-ah-dah, cant spell it) but if the NHS was to be erroded or paid for in any other way I would be distraught, the NHS is a british as tea an scones or th Queen! we'll never get rid!!! rule NHSannia!! =D
The NHS costs £3350 a year for EVERY man, woman and child in the country (rising to £3500 next year), regardless of whether they use it or not. And most don't use it. Even so, care's still rationed according to postcode, age, bad habits, etc.
Utterly ridiculous.
Give me my £3.5K and I'll sort out my own health care, privately. That way I won't contract a flesh eating bug and lose a leg.
Each year, more of the population DON'T see their GP and/or attend hospital as an in/out patient than DO. That's obvious, unless you and everyone you know suffers from hypochondria.
But let's not get caught up in semantics.
And as for NHS dentistry, New Labour destroyed it, people have resorted to pulling out their own teeth with pliers.
Not sure where you got these stats from but... in the states it would cost you $300 a month (thats what it costs my god parents in Michigan as they are 50) - it goes up steadily depending on your age etc. thats $15600. My N.I deductions this month were £57. Ill stay with th NHS thanks.
Sorry I had a moment of madness... your right its $3600 pp pa. Either way its more expensive than ours an better value for money. Remembering that they are soon to retire, so they will lose their health cover. I wont.
8% of UK GDP is spent on healthcare with 100% coverage. 16% of US GDP is spent on healthcare with 75% coverage. It doesnt make economical sense.
My point is that th US system doesnt work, is based on British values from 1900 an is uneconomical and unhumanitarian.
I agree the US system isn't working, and of course the NHS is an actual matter of life and death to millions.
But it must be said that the waste and inefficiency built in to the system are obscene. The whole thing should be so much better, for the money spent.
Daniel Hannan's point was, and any reasonably objective person would realise it, that **STRUCTURALLY SPEAKING**, the NHS has been a 60 year mistake. And in that assertion he is correct.
Good point, well made.
Pieh0 1 week ago
The NHS is a great service just a shame there are so many people using the service that haven't paid a penny into it.
BarnacleBi11 6 months ago
rimmingwithorifice more bollocks from the big nosed two faced git!
theresonly1stig 1 year ago
@theresonly1stig that must of taken you a while to think that one of , now do you have any real evidence against the NHS?
ThatKidWithTheVideos 4 months ago
You must live in Essex
YOU'RE ORANGE!
justrofl21 1 year ago
Too many people look at this so patriotically. They pick and choose statistics to suit them. That includes british and American people.
electrifrying 1 year ago
Alot of what you said about the U.S. healthcare system is incorrect. And let me tell you if you had prostate cancer you would rather be in the US where there is a 100% survival rate rather that in the UK where there is about a 75% survival rate.
SirDeliciously 1 year ago
By God, you have such wonderful eyes! And... I also agree with your views.
secundadonna 1 year ago
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secundadonna 1 year ago
Obama never wanted nationalised healthcare you dumb twat.
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
I bet it hurts to know that the Thatcher increased NHS spending by 33%!!!
bonfirejovi 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi No it doesn't, that money was wasted on promoting individual "choice" in the NHS, trying to establish an American style system.
AProudAtheist 1 year ago
At least our UK citizens get a bigger chance to use drugs unlike the 44000 + US citizens who die every year because they do not have medical insurance or the 60% who go bankrupt in the US because they run out of cash to pay their medical bills. What a piece of the US system is. Please see “the U.S. Healthcare system in international Context:” NATIONAL DISGRACE: US Health Care System Kills and Bankrupts and “Tom Daschle: US Healthcare Best In World a 'Myth'
davijeph 1 year ago
In his video he lies and says we give no treatment to 50 million people!
Jesus christ what a lie.
Everyone swamps our Emergency rooms for treatment. the public pays for them.
When he throws out 50 mill he's using the same propaganda lies as his socialist buddies in the USA. Half of those are 'criminal illegal aliens' who invade the USA. What a dumbass.
The other good percent are the young who don't want health insurance and just pocket their own money.
pure lies and propaganda.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
The NHS has saved my life at least 7 times
without it I wouldn't have got to the ago of 1
kaichi23 1 year ago 8
@kaichi23
no private hospital could have ever have helped you. sheesh.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 If they had I would still be paying for it now
kaichi23 1 year ago
There actually aren't many people in the US who oppose healthcare reform...we all know something needs to be done. We all do not agree, however, that adopting the same system as other countries with socialized healthcare is the right move.
LAKxjb 1 year ago
I think the NHS is awesome!
Got into an accident while living in the Netherlands and one of the first questions they asked me was whether I had health insurance!
I was in pain, in was 3 in the morning and the doctor didn't really speak very much english- the issue of payment was quite frankly the last thing going on in my head, yet it was the first thing in theirs!
Shouldn't the welfare of the patient be paramount to their financial status???
mymarblesandme 1 year ago
@mymarblesandme
Spoken like a dumb euro. They don't take care of people at private hospitals?
How's your euro working out too? Socialism is the best!
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
NHS doesn't work because of socialism (I've got personal experience with it) and US health care doesn't work because of fascism. Unleash the free market.
rumco 1 year ago
@rumco
HAHA nice trolling.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48 Yes, nice trolling yourself.
rumco 1 year ago
@rumco
Haha, so you clearly don't even know what a troll is. . . *sigh*, I remember the good old days when trolls were smart enough to know what they were. . . now days everyone on the internet is a stupid fuck (as you've shown).
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48 You're clearly an adolescent, banned you.
rumco 1 year ago
@rumco Yes because thats the only way you people can handle being called out on your bullshit. Call the other person childish ( Oh the irony!! ) and censor them. . . Truly pathetic.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@rumco
i agree that insurance companies don't bring down prices enough. they should by selecting more affordable drugs ,treatment and docs.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
LOL. This video is made by someone with conflicting interests. He has family working in the NHS. The NHS is a bureaucrats dream come true.
The 50 million uninsured in the USA that he throws out there is not true. Half of that is people that don't want insurance but can afford it. 9 million are ILLEGAL aliens who are flooding the USA from Mexico. Dummycrats want us to fund them too so we all end up broke. Their dream come true.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
I love these morons who talk up socialist centralized gov controlled care because they think it brings prices down but it's RATIONED care and quality suffers.
The UK is in DEBT because of the NHS. All of europe and california are getting destroyed by socialist health care costs.
These morons don't calculate the JOBS COST for the black hole of the NHS.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 The debt hasn't been caused by the NHS.
pjafc 1 year ago
@pjafc
what then is it caused by? You've been living beyon your means. What's the largest spender in the budget then?
think.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@pjafc
debt caused by spending. Same as in the USA.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11 You ration care too, the only difference is you ration it on the basis of wealth, we ration it on the basis of need. It was not the NHS that caused the debt, it was the actions of greedy corporations in Wall street and the City. You know, the same people who run the HCI in your country.
sonofcy 1 year ago
@sonofcy
Not really. People buy what they need here. Yes, we need more competition.
Without those greed corporations then you don't have more than half of the drugs in healthcare industry.
You seem to like Socialism. Show me how the Eastern block countries and the Soviet Union had better health care than the USA while you're at it. You can't.
You'll just throw out the typical rant of every socialist healthcare advocate that you serve everyone. Subpar service and subpar medicine.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Well you clearly don't understand the difference between socialism and communism. . . Let me guess, you watch glenn beck and also think obmama is a nazi muslim communistic fascist who's a coward yet tyranical etc. etc. . . .
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48
Obviously the UK is now understanding it because the NHS debt grows and it doesn't bring down costs like they predicted.
What's there to know about socialism?
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Haha, rather ironic having an American talking about another countries national debt don't you think??. . .. Whats there to know about it?. . . Well we, in fact even the most expensive universal healthcare system (norway) pay less then 1/2 of what you pay and get far better results.
It's also nice to know that our governments care more about healing peoples and saving lives rather then going to war all the time to kill people and torture them like yours.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48
You want government to pay all your bills. just admit it.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Grow up you fucking troll. . . Of course not, how is wanting as many people as possible not to suffer when they have health issues (health wise and financial) wanting the Gvt to pay the bills?
If you're going to attack my position at least don't fucking strawman it you pathetic son of a bitch.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48
How about paying out of your own damn pocket and quit stealing from others.
You don't get it. It doesn't end there with liberals,socialists. They want everything owned by the government.
Maybe if you clowns didn't put so many stupid rules in place to prevent less expensive treatment then it might be more affordable.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Oh my god, you've completely lost the plot haven't you? Do you even care about reality, because if you did you would know ALL the facts disagree with you.
I can pay out of my own pocket, if anything I use less money then I put into it through taxes. However other people who aren't as well off have don't have to worry.
Less expensive? when you spend OVER 3x the amount on health care per person then us, yet we still get better treatment & everyone is covered here.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
In fact you show how twisted your sense of reality is when seem to think liberal = socialist.
And no they don't want everything owned by the government you fucktard. . . I'm liberal and i'm in favour of smaller government. Just some thing it's better of the government does take care of it. Otherwise companies will rob you for every penny you have and cause thousands of people to die while doing so, which is EXACTLY the case in the US right now.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48
robbing? how? nonsense. Arguing with idiots like you never gets to a resolution. It's always the same marxist dogma.
Yes, a non competitive non freemarket system does raise prices. Try the freemarket. The government can't even run itself. Ask Fidel.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Yes robbing, just you idiots are too stupid to understand, which is why you pay more then x3 the amount for a worse quality system.
You just don't seem to understand. . . It's not just socialism VS capitalism. . . in their pure form both are evil system. However a mixtures of them proves to work best.
You however have clearly been brainwashed into ignoring reality.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48
lol. worst system? We have more doctors and our hospitals are the best in the world.
You do know the UK and Canada have doctor shortages and long lines and long waits for surgery.
Don't let the truth get in the way of your propaganda.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
Did i say you has the worst system?. . . NO learn to fucking read what's actually there rather then what you want to be there.
I said you have a worse system then ours and the rest of the western world which has universal healthcare. Which is true by all standards.
you actually think you have the best hospitals in the world? HAHA you poor naive little person. Do you have anything to back that claim up or Like all you idiots you're just saying what you want to be true?
manhunt48 1 year ago
@Thetruthishere11
You really have NO IDEA about the UK and Canadian healthcare system. . . Once again you just show you've been brainwashed by FAUX news.
The UK and canada do have longer waits for NON vital surgery. But not for vitals surgery the US in fact has longer wait times for that Because over there it's the people who have money come first no matter the surgery. . .everyone else is treated like 2nd class citizens.
I'm open to truth but you have yet to say anything that resembles it.
manhunt48 1 year ago
@manhunt48
Best hospitals is right. Best drugs too. Half the drugs you use comes from 'private' companies in the usa. truth.
Thetruthishere11 1 year ago
I had the Ikea mirror behind you. I broke it.
wasabied 1 year ago
There is nothing free about the NHS. The government pumps millions of pounds into the system, that money comes from the taxpayer.
Surely a fairer, more capitalist system would be for everyone to pay or their own health care? rather than the poor working class dragging down the people that work for a living and have actually succeeded. If people want to prosper, they should be allowed to without the government dragging them down, like they are right now with taxes.
scg159 1 year ago
@scg159 The NHS was never meant to be a charity all sections of society pay into the tax pot. Simple answer is no it would not be a fairer system to allow the poorer members of a society to suffer and die just because the have less cash than the rich . In most cases "the poor working class" are used by the rich to maintain their own wealthy lifestyles. Not all poor are idle or do not try their best to better their lot, and by no means are all rich, wealthy by their own efforts.
davijeph 1 year ago
@scg159 the working class is not nessisarily unemployed, that segment of the working class would be refferd to as the "underclass" but i hate that term especialy now the economic climate has cost many hard working people their jobs. The middle and upper class are often reliant upon working class employees for their income, so they contribute to society and should be entitaled to health care that their income would not bring.
EbsNhexz 1 year ago
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tryanjohnson 1 year ago
Medicine, like most things in America, is a buisness and they make massive amounts of profit from it. thats the only reason i can see for not creating atleast a basic nationalhealth care plan which covers common illnesses and injuries like cancer and broken bones. i know cancer an broken bones are hardly in the same league but i wanted and example for injuries as well, fair is fair after all.
SeanathenII 2 years ago
I watched this one thing the other day, and an american person was talking about the NHS. He said "If Stephen Hawking was English, he would probably not be alive." Lol. American people can be so stupid. (no offence to anyone) xx :p
AliceLuciee 2 years ago 16
@AliceLuciee This made me giggle xD
kathryn494 1 year ago
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kaichi23 1 year ago
@AliceLuciee hahaha omg i know it was along time ago but if you can you have to send me the link to that if you can. haha omg so funny :P
shaunyboy1000 1 year ago
@shaunyboy1000
I can't sorry. I can't even remember when I saw it :L x
AliceLuciee 1 year ago
guess who i saw advertising insurance today. I'll let u off it wasnt medical insurance.
soc2day 2 years ago
the NHS is the most ethical healthcare system in the world. Free to all @ the pt of need, homeless-bilionaire. Paid by tax. Get rid of mgrs, contractors, private consults, wages cap£50k. Most christian system. Jesus heart NHS.
soc2day 2 years ago
the price of life has no price. you can't put a price tag on soeone's life. Dr insurence there i have just saved your life $20,000. how can people accept that people who can't afford healthcare are lazy. i hope that the world never adops a "every man for himself"
Vegx91GM9 2 years ago
they have put provisions in the bill to send us to prison if we don't sign up! Not exactly as friendly sounding after i found this fact.
beswerved247 2 years ago
i've also seen mortality rates for things like prostate cancer that were outrageously in favor of the u.s. market so it cuts both ways. I think people here are resigned to the country destructing slowly and are afraid of the 2,000 page bill and the mass of debt it creates. The government lies to us constantly here and it doesnt have a good rep in regards to running large programs well. It's not that we are satisfied with what we have. It's bill for liberals by liberals and not all Americans.
beswerved247 2 years ago
your just hot and you know alot XD haha
=]
Lethalleo 2 years ago
It irritates me when leftists like rymingwithoranges try to use mortality rates to justify socialist health care. They always conveniently ignore other important factors like diet, environment and lifestyle not to mention the inherent problems in accurately collating and comparing disparate sets of statistics.
Singapore's infant mortality rate is half that of Britain but Im sure he wouldnt use this statistic to promote private healthcare!
anyfekinnamewilldo 2 years ago
Singapore do actually have a very good healthcare system however it's very different from the american system, it's only part private and they have universal coverage
minimacca999 2 years ago
If they talk about the NHS becoming too expensive, then why don't they just function like an insurance company. Doctors become free agents or be independent or form their own group practices and hospitals can form networks and become their own administration and get reimbursed based on the patients they treat. Like in Canada or like the US and Australian "medicare"?
juxtn 2 years ago
Well maybe if it is too expensive the governement should prioratise the NHS like projects such as Trident and other rubish.
xxwriterfreakxx 2 years ago
The NHS is simply becoming too expensive, Im afraid its only a matter of time before treatment will have to be paid for
importedmusic 2 years ago
Absolute nonsense. The reason the NHS is becoming more expensive is because of the ever increasing costs for drugs and medical equipment combined with far too much red tape. The drugs companies and engineering firms are pushing the prices up and claiming cost of research, yet they are always declaring insane profits. The NHS is a victim here, and so are we.
perspexion 2 years ago
yeah i agree it can be wayy disorganised, but i have friends and family who ive visited and theyve had great treatment, i think when something goes wrong it sticks out more in your mind. that really sucks about your leg!! :(
fifib90 2 years ago
those who complain about the NHS saying they want something else are the fuckers who can afford different, think of the poor buggers in the bottom of the working class (you know, the bigger % of the population) who wont be able to afford it. Sure it has problems, but everything does and really if you dont like it so much, do something about it instead of sitting on you're arse complaining like a little bitch. (oh yea, look at the avg death age before and after the nhs, say it dont work?)
MitchofSmeg 2 years ago
@MitchofSmeg
In two words:
Fuck em
staponsa1 2 years ago
yep, it just needs a kick in the arse to get it into gear, its alot better then a privete system, christ look at the costs of that in the US, something like 60% of bankruptcy over there is medical costs (of which a good half of that or so are insured XD)
MitchofSmeg 2 years ago
let me touch you mister mcmillan-clenaghan
Jaysmellsbad 2 years ago
i would also like to clarify that i take no issue with european socialism. i love europe. i love that you are all so democratically active. i take issue with the fact that this is yet one more issue that has become a stereotype. we are not uncaring. if we were, our hospitals would turn people away. we are not barbaric. we are not uneducated. let us turn our attention to subsaharan africa because i am pretty sure food and potable water are more important than free pills.
PhxVanguard 2 years ago
i hate it when people throw the 50 million uninsured people in america around. 12.5 million are illegal immigrants, 23 million chose not to get insurance because they feel they are too young to need it. that leaves 14.5 million americans who are not covered. many of them are able to work, but refuse to. regardless of insurance status, no one in the US is turned away from ANY hospital because it is illegal to do so. i work for my benefits, as do the vast majority. this is not a socialist country.
PhxVanguard 2 years ago
phx, what about the massive bankruptcy amount (over half of it) being medical bills or the massive amount of people who dont get covered by the insurance provider? Sure its illegal to turn them away, but they still gotta pay for it dont they.
MitchofSmeg 2 years ago
you don't understand our system very well. there is an entire class of people who get by doing absolutely nothing. no, they don't have to pay. they default and the tax payer comes to the rescue. do you realize that the majority of americans do NOT want to change things from the way they are? how is it democratic to trample on the will of the majority? again, i like your blogs and respect your opinion, but i do not think many over seas understand our system. we prefer to do for ourselves.
PhxVanguard 2 years ago
I was in hospital in a foreign country, not the UK, puking, hardly able to breathe, my body contorting with pain and convulsions. Food poisoning!
The doctors were waiting for my girlfriend to either produce an insurance card or my credit card before they would treat me. In the panic of my emergency we never thought to bring these things. Luckily, a phone call to my employer got me treated.
It's barbaric and inhumane to refuse treatment based on money. Every country should aim to have an NHS.
sausagedogheaven 2 years ago
i cannot understand all the whining and moaning from people about the NHS! clearly the people who do feel its a '60 year mistake' have never had the experience of say breaking a leg, or having to be rushed to hospital with appendicitis, and then not having the worry of does my insurance cover this? or how on earth will i pay for this? youre right. england is full of whiners.
fifib90 2 years ago
"America is in deadlock over the issue." - good. I'm glad the American people have the power to at least cause a deadlock when they don't want something.
The significiant difference between the NHS and other alternative healthcare systems is that in this country it is political.
I really don't want my good health to be decided one way or the other by anyone other than me and my doctor. I think it is a very personal issue and should stay that way.
HullabalooSpatula 2 years ago
The American people were recently polled to be (on a low side) 60% in favour of the public option -- they don't really have the power to deadlock anything, in this case, since they're massively in favour of it., they want reform.
The deadlocking is coming from the opposition party in government, and the lack of action is coming from the government's inability to, among other things, get their members to toe the party line.
xorasel 2 years ago
"Of course Obama has politicised the whole healthcare issue! He has to or it would be much harder to have it passed through Congress." - so he's cheating the system?
Do politicians have a good record when it comes to thinking up great projects, making a good plan at the beginning and seeing it through on time, in budget and so that it meets the need it was intended for? I'd say - BIG FAT NO - so why trust them with your life?
HullabalooSpatula 2 years ago
cancer ordeal (read up on it).
And finally, onto the video. I think you were dead on, I'm happy to see such a positive response to these horrendous attacks on our historic institution. I'm interested to know what you considered yourself to be politically? I know identifying yourself as left or right can be horribly generalised as people can have differing stances on different issues but I would still like to know what you consider yourself to be in generalised terms. Apologies for the length.
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
in and suddenly Congress is more than happy to accept his bill. I think the error of your assessment was the assumption that Obama wants mixed healthcare because the people want it and that he has politicised the issue for support. Obama has lost a lot of support because of this bill, America is in deadlock over the issue. If he did this for public support then he has royally screwed up. I think you shall find that the answer to his stance on healthcare stems from his experience of his Mother's
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
Be thankful. We could have the U.S' health INDUSTRY.
mp40vthompson 2 years ago
Another problem is that healthcare in this country is politicised. NHS is now the sacred-cow. Nobody can talk about fundamental NHS principles without an angry mob running after them shouting, burn witch, burn.. This video is proof.
You claim yourself, waiting lists are too long, there is room for improvement.
The fundemental issue is the politicians sticking in their noses. Whatever Obama is up to... belive, he is only trying to secure his own future by politicising American healtcare
HullabalooSpatula 2 years ago
You've got no idea what you're talking about.
It's blind faith, we love it but we don't know why. Other people's comments here reflect some of the problems the NHS has.
From my point of view, people I know keep dying early while in the care of the NHS.
The important thing to remember about the American 'un-insured' figures is that many people will be 'un-insured' by choice. If our healthcare system operated on the same basis... I would be uninsured. Never needed to go to hosptial.
HullabalooSpatula 2 years ago
I have never know anyone in my 48 years of life (on a personal level) who has died as a direct result of a fault made by the NHS. Sure there will be people who die as a result of negligence etc, however, a privatised system is no less free of these problems than a State system. I would also like to add that those who absolutely need treatment will not be placed on waiting list, they will be treated ASAP.
I think you're looking at the British NHS and deciding that nationalised healthcare does
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
not work, that is completely wrong. Throughout Europe their are nationalised health institutions (Scandinavia is an excellent example) that have second to none healthcare. However, since Thatcher butchered the public services and chronically underfunded them there has been no change, Labour has affirmed its commitment to the NHS but has declined to provide it the funding it needs to flourish. To add to this there is also a lack of progressive and long term policy to steer the NHS along the right
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
What does this mean: "Throughout Europe their are nationalised health institutions (Scandinavia is an excellent example) that have second to none healthcare" - who are 'Scandinavia' - blimey, how can you argue with nothing? This just a random collection of words?
I would welcome a health INDUSTRY with open arms. It would be HONEST. It's far more dangerous to merge healthcare with politics - think about it. Should your health be a discussion point for a politician?
HullabalooSpatula 2 years ago
course, I believe that was mentioned in the video.I think it's also important to remember Pre-Thatcher the NHS was one of our most successful institutions and was a shining example of the successes of Socialism (woo Socialism!) .An insurance based healthcare system is a terrible idea, while there will be those who opt out of paying health insurance because they can there will be even more people unable to afford health insurance. These are the real losers in the healthcare system. Personally I
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
"Personally, I believe that free healthcare is a basic right and that being wealthy should not increase the quality of your healthcare" - I don't like your ideals. Are you trying to say that your rights should include free stuff? Not just that you would have a right to a free and just society but that society should also give you things without questioning whether you deserve them or not? It's a very poor basis for a society.
HullabalooSpatula 2 years ago
believe that free healthcare is a basic right and that being wealthy should not increase the quality of your healthcare. I think the figures speak for themselves, over 60,000,000 Americans now live without insurance, that is a very large chunk of the American population and I am sure that a healthy majority of those who are uninsured are so because they cannot afford to have insurance. An insurance based healthcare system is a terrible idea, while there will be those who opt out of paying health
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
insurance because they can there will be even more people unable to afford health insurance. These are the real losers in the healthcare system. Personally I believe that free healthcare is a basic right and that being wealthy should not increase the quality of your healthcare. I think the figures speak for themselves, over 60,000,000 Americans now live without insurance, that is a very large chunk of the American population and I am sure that a healthy majority of those who are uninsured are so
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
because they cannot afford to have insurance.
Onto your point about the NHS becoming politicised, while yes it is true (considering it's a matter of government) I feel that if it was widely believed that the NHS should be privatised it would not be the 'Sacred Cow'. Your point doesn't really make much sense as you imply that the NHS's politicisation has resulted in it becoming untouchable, whereas I would say it is untouchable because there is widespread support for our NHS, the issue could
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
still be politicised if the public wanted rid of the NHS. Linking this point to another you made, people do not support the NHS out of blind faith, certainly people I know have other reasons for supporting it. The British public I believe do genuinely care about the disadvantaged (look at the sizeable majority of the left over the right wing in terms of votes cast).
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
"You claim yourself, waiting lists are too long, there is room for improvement."
Yes, there is room for improvement. But privatisation is not the only way in which we can improve our NHS.
And finally, your last point. Of course Obama has politicised the whole healthcare issue! He has to or it would be much harder to have it passed through Congress. The whole American system is founded on a belief in checks and balances and the separation of powers, the President needs the support of another
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
branch (in this case the Legislature) to enact his policies. As a result of his dependence on Congress to see his policies become reality he is forced to co-operate with them or to cajole them into voting with him. Obama has to politicise the issue so he can secure his healthcare bill, he is using something that is known as the 'Bully Pulpit' tactic whereby he bypasses Congress and goes to the People to fuind support for his bill. If they want a mixed healthcare system then accountability kicks
gupgupguppo 2 years ago
"The British public I believe do genuinely care about the disadvantaged" - who doesn't? But how do you help them? By giving them more of the same things which has gotten them into the mess they're already in? By further expanding the society which hasn't worked for them so far? I don't think so. What would be wrong with a different approach? Why are you so sure disadvantaged people are helpless and will never have any advantages?
HullabalooSpatula 2 years ago
"being wealthy should not increase the quality of your healthcare." - so in your ideal world a man can go to work, apply his trade, give up his time and earn money in return. But in your ideal world, he would not be able to exchange his earnings for healthcare? Bizzare! You would take away the right for Doctors and people in the clinical profession to earn a living? Are you saying everyone should get the same level of healthcare so it should be a low standard for everyone?
HullabalooSpatula 2 years ago
The proposed plan by the Obama administration is not "nationalized healthcare".
Allow me to repeat myself, just to be sure all the delusional conservatives that keep making shit up and believing the lies about this healthcare bill can clearly understand:
The proposed plan by the Obama administration is not "nationalized healthcare".
It's an OPTIONAL health insurance plan. The government isn't buying or banning anything. Nothing is being forced on anyone. And it isn't funded by tax dollars.
LazyMofo69 2 years ago
I pay for prescrip charges here along with being heavily taxed to the teeth; they say only minority pays for prescrip to pay for the majority free prescript. I hate that; i pay for it already, why levy on me? i do overtime to help out and save bit to clear overdraft, what happened? Student loan and the income tax increased their monthly share. They should play fair in the UK, i dont mind being taxed for the health of everyone but they should cut the benefit system then well have less taxing.
brondes 2 years ago
NHS admin team in most departments are lazy, they are always on facebook etc. Ive seen admins who are irritated bcos pt want to check in, in that sense i would love it if it was privately run so these fuckers can be sacked. Other than that i love it, where u treat individual without worrying abt if they are insured or not. Americans are becoming blind through retinopathy, complication of diabetes. Here we chase those that DNA screening to prevent blindness through diabetes let alone cancer pt.
brondes 2 years ago
As an American, I think that the health care debate going on at the moment is completely necessary, although it is quite ridiculous that it has gotten to this point. It seems as if the GOP will do anything to block this bill from passing, because of their lobbies and also because it could be their one great chance of sinking Obama and his major pushes for reform. Aside from that, Americans must learn that maybe "socialized medicine" could be a good thing for them.
PS: I love your eyes.
physicsphreakphosho 2 years ago
Kinda funny that the news started reporting the NHS has death panels. See See (dot) telegraph (dot) co (dot) uk/ health/ healthnews/ 6127514/ Sentenced- to- death- on- the- NHS (dot) html
Canada's healthcare system is imploding as well. There is a big push to privatize healthcare in Canada. It probably will not pass politically, but it is the only practical solution in Canada.
roncram 2 years ago
i heart the NHS. i realise it has problems like long waiting lists, massive beurocracy and so forth but i think that it is both admirable and functional on the key issues.
d4yogurt 2 years ago
anyone who can't spell bureaucracy doesn't really have the intellectual authority to comment on problems about bureaucracy
mungenator 2 years ago
anyone who considers spelling an indication of intellectual authority is not only deluded but also a bellend.
d4yogurt 2 years ago
One more comment.
Forced payment into a socialized system reduces the bonds that TRUE charities and family/friend support has with those in need, and substitutes the "I voted for something that I feel is good, so I'm OK" impersonal, rob your neighbor to pay your way system.
Not only that, but it reduces national productivity. As with all socialist programs, why produce and benefit yourself and your nation if you can instead seek simple pleasure with the govt (your neighbors) paying your bills
BiggieB99 2 years ago
This way of describing nationalised healthcare systems as 'socialist' or 'socialized' is something completely new to most Britons.
mungenator 2 years ago
Americans are so stuck in a rut with this fear of socialism, or socialist systems. The Socialists are the second biggest party in the European parliament, and no one raises an eyebrow at them.
mungenator 2 years ago
it is only logical to explore the experiences of other nations to more accurately weigh the pros and cons of their particular systems, and, to be honest with you, most of the attention here has focused on our neighbors up north rather than across the pond. If the population of Britain is happy with their health care, that is great, but personally, I definitely do not want a similar system here, and believe it would be unconstitutional. Unfortunately, the Constitution is meaningless nowadays.
BiggieB99 2 years ago
. . . ie the fruit of one's labors, the result of their life.
The fact is, it is law that hospitals cannot refuse lifesaving help in the event that an uninsured/underinsured seeks treatment. And many of the uninsured who are not young and freely choose to be unisured, or who are not here illegally and choose to be unisured, are already covered by the socialist medicare/medicaid system.
Please don't take evaluation of your NHS as an attack on Britain. When making a decision like this . . .
BiggieB99 2 years ago
I'm a "Yank" and strongly opposed to government-run healthcare. There is no perfect health care system on the planet, and there is no perfect government on the planet. I don't think the two combined will be better than the current system here.
Uninsured: The vast majority of the uninsured are either young healthy individuals who don't want to waste money on something they feel they don't need, or here illegally. The latter group largely does not pay taxes or defrauds the govt of most taxes.
BiggieB99 2 years ago
As for the comment on illegals, I speak frankly from substantial personal experience about many individuals whom I know and love, but these are the facts.
You speak of US health research and technology that the world as a whole benefits from. This would be negatively impacted by nationalization, affecting not only the US, but the rest of the world. You should be happy we have not socialized yet.
Ultimately, we have a history here of personal, INDIVIDUAL liberty. . .
BiggieB99 2 years ago
that is out of vogue with much of our population nowadays, but very much close to the hearts of others. Many of us believe that the INDIVIDUAL should be the ultimate sovereign of his/her life and the choices in that life, so long as it does not directly prevent another INDIVIDUAL from utilizing their own life, liberty, and property as they themselves see fit. Nationalized medicine is socialism, socialism is govt theft, and theft infringes on right to property. . .
BiggieB99 2 years ago
You left out the largest group of the uninsured. Poor people, those below the poverty line. Obama's proposed NHS will only cover the lower half of the people living below the poverty line not everyone in the country. As one of the people below the poverty line but earning just into the the high side of the scale i wont be covered unless i pay for health insurance already unaffordable. So there will be no change at my house unless you count the higher taxes to cover the new NHS system.
fosteem1 2 years ago
To be honest, I don't see the point in complaining about the NHS. Yes, it could be better, and I realise that people don't want to think that their taxes are going to waste, but the bottom line is, if you're not happy with it and you can afford it, go private! No-one's forcing you to use the NHS, but for those who can't, the NHS is a damn sight better than having no treatment at all, like the system in the USA.
alithejewishfreak 2 years ago
I know, these people annoy me and unfortunately I often have to accosiate with them
bluebirch114 2 years ago
baaa baaaa sheep.
it's the oldest trick in the book.
how do you get the masses ro rally around a government or system that is not good for them, get them to focus on this shiny new enemy over there.
a whole new perspecitive on the old saying "pride comth before a fall"
thesuperfe 2 years ago
after watching glen tell me 1 thing they lied about?
you can have your own apinion
but you can not have your own facts
dexter2433 2 years ago
I want to know who the 193 people are who follow "Gordon Brown, King of England", lol.
Insanity182 2 years ago
What? You don't like meekakitty???
Please tell me why, I'm very curious.
Acemaster53 2 years ago
The NHS is crap service. If you look at the news today, a damning report has just come out about patient care. The NHS performs badly on waiting lists, cancer survival rates, and it has big problems with dirty hospitals and superbugs. It is a bloated bureaucracy that employs more bureaucrats than doctors and nurses. So many gullible Brits have fallen for this lie that you need a giant Marxist NHS to have universal coverage. We need to involve the private sector much more.
rudeboy80 2 years ago
Cuba actually have really good healthcare and a particularly high life expectancy, just because Cuba has bad press doesn't instantly make it rubbish. In fact to be 17th in my mind says 'Well done Cuba'. Not only that but how can you complain at being 18th out of at least 193!?
sobeit42 2 years ago
I don't believe that the UK is the 18th best . I'm pretty sure it's worse than that. The WHO rankings are v. controversial. One factor they take into account is how equally healthcare is distributed amongst the population, so a country that provides a low-standard of care for everyone would score highly! They also take into account life expectancy but other things affect life expectancy e.g. USA has a lower life expectancy than some nations due to poor lifestyle (obesity) and high murder rate.
rudeboy80 2 years ago
To rudeboy80's comments on life expectancy:
I haven't checked into the sources, but I did see one video that Hannan was on where he stated that the judgement of a health care system shouldn't be made based solely on life expectancy, but rather the rate of success once someone seeks treatment. In that case he stated that the US scores higher than the UK. This stat would disregard preventative medicine, which is shortsighted in the overall health care debate, but it is important nonetheless.
BiggieB99 2 years ago
The 'Public Private Partnerships' Put in to action by Notorious milk thief Margaret Thatcher were truly the start of the downfall of the NHS. The private sector can, by definition, only serve itself. So mixing what is a basic human right (access to healthcare) with people who want to make a profit is imho not the best solution, far from it.
ithotofthisfirst 2 years ago
Great, another Marxist. "The private sector can, by definition, only serve itself". Where do you get this crap from? Successful companies make money because they provide a good or service that people want/require. Profit is the guarantee of quality. The NHS is crap. It is crap compared to the health systems of just about every other developed country.
rudeboy80 2 years ago
I just stop paying attention to this video for ten seconds because I got a text, i then apologised to the screen for ignoring you. Wow, I'm blond.
But anyway; I believe in the NHS - my dad had knee surgury and did not have to wait long and was treated well. And my grandad was sucess treated for cancer, he also was treated well. Both on the NHS. So I have faith in it.
emperessemma 2 years ago
my father is british and all he does is rave about Britain's healthcare. we live in america and i need to say that the healthcare here is insane it makes no sense how everything works
Navs1231 2 years ago
Well I'm Scottish I've lived in the UK and France and now Holland, I can categorically say the NHS is crap compared to the services in France and Holland.
I would say people get used to things and don't want them to change, living in different countries and seeing different systems gives a good view.
If I have a serious ailment I'm going to France for sure.
Iain1962 2 years ago
And Hannan has a very good point in that the system employs so many people it is politically very very toouchy to try and change it...
1.4 million votes right there that's a big chunk of the voting public.
Iain1962 2 years ago
In my opinion the situation in the States has been managed into crisis.
Litigation and other Legal stuff has undermined the system and has pushed up costs enormously.
Im Scottish and I despise the NHS as an institution and would far rather have a private insurance based system (yes it is a cost thing also).
The NHS makes us a nation of dependent controllable dullards who cosy up to our politicians for fear they will take out 'Pain Fix' from us.
We cannot be free with an NHS.
ccharlie100 2 years ago
First I must say I HATE Fox "news"!!!
secondly being a 18 year old who is now in the boat of The Uninsured Americans which is sinking rather fast, and with Republicans not wanting to do any thing but put more money in the hands of insurance companies who deny care to people who pay good money ever month, and who are later turned away because of a pre existing condition is pure and utter bullshit! not to mention UN-American! which is why I support President Obama! every one deserves health care!
indiegal66 2 years ago
when did health care become a right?
and every one can get health care now
and if you want to start off now saving just $20 a weak in a saving account just to deal with your health needs you will have plenty cash to pay for all your health needs and at the same time make $ on the $ you do not spend with a good renuity saving fund
so be responsible and do the right thing and take care of all your health needs and do not trust the gov to do it for you they will let you down
dexter2433 2 years ago
and i am sorry for the spam
but 1 last thing the odd's are much higher that you will get treatment and live much longer and survive Colon Cancer and breast cancer and many other illness in the us then in the UK and that is a fact and it not 50mil with out health care it is more like 35mil that are with out and 18 mil are not leigle in the us and the other 12mil are not sick and between the age of 18 and 45 and decide not to have it buy choice and the rest make 6fig income pay as needed
dexter2433 2 years ago
firstly i hate fox news,
secondly, the americans who dont want things to change are the doctors and insurance people who make buttloads of money off of it and the people who cant afford it obviously have a much smaller voice compared to them.
notacelebrity13 2 years ago
first of all o do not watch fox and sec spell check or my spelling has not a darn thing to do with the problem at hand so stop trying to belittle some one for being sloppy and third we all ready have gov run helth care doh bet you did not know that and any one that cant afford health care gets it very cheep or free and i watch the BBC all my life and they do lie allot and blow things way out of wak
and buy the way if you remove all the people that die in wars we in the us live longer then yall
dexter2433 2 years ago
thats right if you remove the other ways people die from the uk and the us stats like car crash-wars-and any form of death other then health then we out live yall LOOK THAT ONE UP HOMMIE
dexter2433 2 years ago
Spot on. Good video and done with humour rather than rancour which is refreshing!
TheTubeMouse 2 years ago
The US cannot change their healthcare system for the same reason they will not invest heavily in renewable resources. The political parties are funded by drug companies and oil companies. Watch the Michael Moore film SICKO.
The UK actually needs a system like the US one that is insurance based and linked to our National Insurance contributions, topped up by personal contributions in high risk cases like smokers.
thebeatpirate 2 years ago
The US welfare system is badly in need of reform and I hope enough people recognize that to get some changes made. It's merely distraction trying to pick holes in existing welfare states rather than acknowledging the consequences of the existing system on those less able to afford good healthcare, or unlucky enough to suffer a long-term medical condition not supported or affordable through insurance.
globalfish100 2 years ago
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globalfish100 2 years ago
Great video. When I lived in America I had a friend with a newborn baby who needed to work all the hours she could to afford decent health cover for her, the baby and her husband, who had temporary jobs. Outside Walmart in our town there was an elderly guy, must have been 75 odd, severe limp, worked all his life for the state but couldn't afford health insurance on his pension so he had to work. He said he was proud to be 'still able to go out and work and not rely on help'.
globalfish100 2 years ago
My mother works in one of those run down NHS dumps and her and her colleagues are far from putting their feet up. I think you just need to read these comments to see how out of touch you are.
rhymingwithoranges 2 years ago
Glenn Beck is psycho, and I don't mean that as a joke.
The problem is everyone against the Obama reforms is they aren't even agruing against the actual proposals. There is no NHS type plan in the proposed bills. Only supplements or options to the private system. If you want private HC, it will still be there. As for lines, waiting and life saving procedures being denied. We already have that. I am intimately familar with insurance companies and their policies!
trekkerbud 2 years ago
I do want everyone to be able to have health insurance. The only problem with a government run health insurance here in the U.S. is that the government CAN'T AFFORD IT. It isn't a sustainable plan with the MASSIVE debt and people wont end up getting the coverage the the government promised them. Maybe once the debt is gone can it work (maybe), but I highly doubt that the spending is going to stop anytime soon.
platypusescanfly 2 years ago
The NHS is Britain was set up during the second world war, when Britain was in massive amounts of debt and ravaged by war. If we could do it then then the worlds greatest superpower can now.
rhymingwithoranges 2 years ago
You're going to have to give more examples to convince me it will work. I think it depends on how much the national debt actually is and how close we are to getting rid of it. Because if we keep spending I really doubt that the health plan will work because it wont be sustainable in the long run.
platypusescanfly 2 years ago
i have a frend with lupis and not only do the state pay for her health care but they also support her and her 16 year old son with a income to feed and cloth her and her kid and she has had bother her brest removed do to cancer and she did not pay a dime and she had no ins
that sound like a state or country that has thousen of kids with out helth care then y do all the mex come here to have there kids for free,,,,
dexter2433 2 years ago
every one will agree that the us has the best health care in the world i pay $40 and month for health care and i pick my dr and i decide who i will see and i get to see them today if need and at most the watting time for any serg is weeks not years or never
and in the us there is no such think as a kid with out helth care only lazy pearents or pearents that decide not to get it for there kids threw the state stop belevng the BBC they are ling to you all
dexter2433 2 years ago
firstly, try spell check, your comments are quite hard to read.
Secondly, I also get to choose my doctor, I can pay for private health insurance if I want to and jump the queues, the NHS is a viable option for the majority of Brits.
Thirdly, stop believing Fox News THEY are lying to YOU.
rhymingwithoranges 2 years ago
you took the words from my mouth.. yes we moan about the NHS but where the hell would we be without it?! I suffer from Non Epileptic Siezures (NES) and without the NHS i would be sat at home all day too scared to go out, but they supply me with my meds. I have a family friend living out in America whom also suffes from NES, however unlike me, she stays at home for most of the day, purely because once she was diagnosed here in England, once back in America, she could not afford the medication!!
MillzIzzit 2 years ago
I live in Germany and our system is good at providing for all but it is also more expensive than the NHS and doesn't produce any better results. Our contributions support a huge and unjustifiable beaurocracy and it is said that doctors are more influenced by pharmaceutical companies than is good for the patient. I think the NHS is a very good system which keeps commercial influence at a minimum :-)
Marcomanseckisax 2 years ago
Thanks, what a refreshing comment! The NHS is awesome. Im not sure why everyone is arguing about each others healthcare systems! lol! xx
robyoung1 2 years ago
The US medical system is a joke. I've been stuck in Canada for the past few years (a country which also has free medical care), and everyone thinks the Us is being dumb. My friends and I won't even visit the US which is just a few hours drive away because if we break an arm or something we could end up $20,000 or more in debt from there system regardless of any insurence.
LuvGlamRock 2 years ago
Although the healthcare system is fairer in Britain, it is a waste of money, we spend 100billion a year on it and it´s ranked 18th in the world behind Cuba for example.
The problem with the NHS is that too many penpushers are employed to sit around and sign a couple of papers.
The NHS employs 1.4 million people (2nd biggest employers after the chinese red army) and I very much doubt even half of them are doctors and nurses.
We could cut funding yet still improve service.
Ifuckingh8you 2 years ago
I'm certainly glad I was lucky enough to be born in the UK. Though the NHS needs improvement.
Surely the US already have the so-called "Death Panels" that opponents of reform (including Sarah Palin) warn of, as insurance companies are the ones able to decide if someone can have the treatment they need (even though they have paid for supposed cover already!), or not. I would rather not be held at the mercy of insurance companies, only out for profit, instead of any moral obligation to treat me!
HenriettaPseudonym 2 years ago
My famly are well off enough to have private healthcare (even tho I have mild epilepsy and my dad has spina-bif-ah-dah, cant spell it) but if the NHS was to be erroded or paid for in any other way I would be distraught, the NHS is a british as tea an scones or th Queen! we'll never get rid!!! rule NHSannia!! =D
robyoung1 2 years ago
The NHS costs £3350 a year for EVERY man, woman and child in the country (rising to £3500 next year), regardless of whether they use it or not. And most don't use it. Even so, care's still rationed according to postcode, age, bad habits, etc.
Utterly ridiculous.
Give me my £3.5K and I'll sort out my own health care, privately. That way I won't contract a flesh eating bug and lose a leg.
9thenazeing 2 years ago
Most don't use it? Sorry, don't think so.
nobannanabaton 2 years ago
Each year, more of the population DON'T see their GP and/or attend hospital as an in/out patient than DO. That's obvious, unless you and everyone you know suffers from hypochondria.
But let's not get caught up in semantics.
And as for NHS dentistry, New Labour destroyed it, people have resorted to pulling out their own teeth with pliers.
9thenazeing 2 years ago
Not sure where you got these stats from but... in the states it would cost you $300 a month (thats what it costs my god parents in Michigan as they are 50) - it goes up steadily depending on your age etc. thats $15600. My N.I deductions this month were £57. Ill stay with th NHS thanks.
robyoung1 2 years ago
spending on nhs this year = £100,000,000,000 rising to £110,000,000,000 next year.
so apologies, £2000 per year per person is more like the figure, counting prescription charges, charges for eye tests, etc. still a ridiculous sum.
... i don't see how 300 x 12 x 2 = 15600. i make it 7200, that's if the $300 is payable by both.
and the nhs is only partly funded by ni contributions. your £57 is topped up by about another £1950!!!!
your point?
9thenazeing 2 years ago
Sorry I had a moment of madness... your right its $3600 pp pa. Either way its more expensive than ours an better value for money. Remembering that they are soon to retire, so they will lose their health cover. I wont.
8% of UK GDP is spent on healthcare with 100% coverage. 16% of US GDP is spent on healthcare with 75% coverage. It doesnt make economical sense.
My point is that th US system doesnt work, is based on British values from 1900 an is uneconomical and unhumanitarian.
robyoung1 2 years ago
I agree the US system isn't working, and of course the NHS is an actual matter of life and death to millions.
But it must be said that the waste and inefficiency built in to the system are obscene. The whole thing should be so much better, for the money spent.
Daniel Hannan's point was, and any reasonably objective person would realise it, that **STRUCTURALLY SPEAKING**, the NHS has been a 60 year mistake. And in that assertion he is correct.
9thenazeing 2 years ago