Health Care Stakeholder Discussion: Advanced Models of Primary Care

[imbonnie]

Proabortionists have no business running "health care."

[Freedomgeorge1776]

This is ILLEGAL!!... The gov can not force us or order us to take on gov ran health or any other care system.. IT IS ILLEGAL!!.. Also the "medical" panel will ask for "ALL" tax returns from the IRS (FACT) so they can see how much you need to pay and maybe a little more for those who can afford a lot (Socialism). And then don't forget the ACORN'S who want to spreed the wealth around...

[dogcrapgreen]

Fact - Stimulious money went to one to democrat base countries. Obama wants a health care system that gives him the authority to decide who gets the benefits. Fact Obama has proven he is a racist Wake up folks this guy WANTS GENECIDE.

[adaku29]

You know, its very sad that considering how important of an issue this is, there isn't more of a discussion about the content of this forum in the comments. A little constructive criticism or some thoughtful suggestions would be nice.

[lrdeldric]

I really hope the white house will actually listen to these guys. The family docs are the ones on the front line trenches of health care, dealing most directly with the healthcare problem. They have the greatest opportunity to both improve healthcare quality and cost - if they're actually listened to. I'll pay for healthcare integration, because in the end it'll be cheaper than what's going on right now...

[BeantownJim]

You said it "intergration" that's the word Just like affirmative action bussing or banking That's what this is all about! These socialists are in for a fight!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lrdeldric]

Uh, did you watch this video? Integration is a strictly medical organization term... this discussion doesn't involve the question of who's paying for it at all. Except maybe the idea that the gov't would pay for the restructuring, which if you listen to all the guy's stories, essentially pays for itself. I don't have blanket-support for the president, but this video is encouraging.

[lrdeldric]

I do hope, however, that savings from the new systems go to the taxpayor, and not some scheming businessman or lobbying group...

[BeantownJim]

The word is out These congressman and senators are done in 2010 and they know it!

[BeantownJim]

You want to pay for this? Go right ahead millions don't and will not pay into this system

[BeantownJim]

So obama and the rest of his cabinet can go peddle their cuban socialist healthcare somewhere else This is america!

[BeantownJim]

Take the rest of the bleeding hearts with you!

[AthkrAllah]

I`m waiting ..

[BeantownJim]

You liberal's just don't get it You are not owed free healthcare or a free house or free car or free credit!

[XLMaGNuMz]

Lol Stupid Americans don't realize they are incapable of changing that fact that they have an inherently low IQ.

[VeseyConspiracist]

Hey, XLM, insulting comments like that aren't helpful.

Regrettably, there are stupid people everywhere in every country and of every political persuasion. Some are just louder than others.

[Ricine2]

god, just shut up

[Ricine2]

what the fuck is wrong with YOU?

[78720]

Time to move to Canada! anyone want to come,eh aint living in the US anymore if it keeps going down hill like it is

[adaku29]

I have an issue.

Where are the pharmacists?

Where are the public health experts?

What about the social workers?

Nurses?

They all play a critical role in administering care to patients as well, they should be a part of the discussion too

[aiG0oChamNa]

totally agree with you. I'm only subscribed to this shit because i have to write about it for my ap gov class. Obama is a puppet behind the new world order. this shit needs to stop.

[AnthonyNews]

health care reform is commin folks*******

[BeantownJim]

People will not pay forced taxes for this healthcare bill

[critchfieldricky]

lol a lot of videos i seen from this channel id domerthing like health care

[luarastrumpet]

The entire "Narc on your friends" page is an INSULT! AS is the "truth of health care" page. Never have I seen a president use the people to bludgeon the opposition!

Mr. President, you send your puppets out to town hall meetings, and expect a warm welcome? Then stack the deck by hand picking a "nice" crowd? How sad is THAT!

Now, you are doing Bush's trick of side stepping laws by presidential order?

You really are screwing up.

[leetshoot]

GO HEALTHCARE PLAN!!!

[Louis69]

I Say screw everyone take everyones health care away and let only the strong survive there is to much useless wastes of human skin walking around in this country anyway especially in the government. Let them all die.

[underbird]

this is not the role of the federal government

[Hobojedi]

Umm.. remind me again why I should watch this all the way through?

[BeantownJim]

Never get me to take that leftist drug for flu

[44MONTEREY]

This is going to change the way we provide health care, you say.

People are dying every day without health care. USA is last in preventing deaths that could be prevented. That is 114 per 100,000 each year that die from health conditions that are treatable. Interpolate 305Million @.000114, or Two Americans every three minutes. Do the math and there is no waiting at the morgue. No lines and no waiting list. Two out of three are women.

[BeantownJim]

Everyone has a free choice on how to live or die Govt' has no right But they want that right to say so!

[44MONTEREY]

Sound to simple - free choice - You chose: buy gas for the SUV or buy heart condition medicine? You chose - cloths for the kids or preventive asthma attack medication? Your choice - take the kids for a preventive check up or pay the rent? You chose - quickly which do you chose?

[BeantownJim]

Medicare and medicaid and social security is bankrupt Now big govt' wants to increase the debt for even a bigger healthcare plan that's insane And it's not constitutional

[VeseyConspiracist]

What's unconstitutional about it, BeantownJ? I keep hearing that.

And what makes you say those programs are bankrupt? They're still being funded. Furthermore, Medicare and Medicaid are generally approved of by folks who are enjoying its benefits. Social security and Veteran's Assistance too.

Most people if told they could go on Medicare tomorrow would be pretty happy about it.

[BeantownJim]

Show me where in the Constitution Where it stipulates that people are owed or due free healthcare free welfare free cars or free credit? And as for defecits look to the Congressional Budget Office of Wash D.C.

[VeseyConspiracist]

The constitution has something called the Elastic Clause that gives Congress the authority to make whatever new laws are necessary for the well-being of the people. It's near the end of Article I.

47 million people without health insurance is a serious problem and Congress is trying to help them.

And yes, Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security cost more than they bring in. So do libraries, highways, the FBI, the and public schools. They aren't for-profit programs; they are expenditures.

[BeantownJim]

They are trying to impliment a system of healthcare for the few at the cost of the many This is detriment to the security of our nation!

[VeseyConspiracist]

Beantown J, social security is a system for the few at the cost of the many. So is the VA. Do you oppose those?

Americans should take care of each other. I do not find it acceptable that 47 million of my fellow Americans have no health insurance. That harms the security, well-being and productivity of our nation.

[BeantownJim]

goodluck

[BeantownJim]

of tghose 47 so called americans are not american they include illegal aliens that do not bewlong here

[BeantownJim]

Also of those 47 million or so 12 million are illegal aliens no one knows how many young adults at home with family etc etc etc

[VeseyConspiracist]

I don't know about that "12 million figure." Where did you get that number? I doubt the 47 million includes 12 million undocumented aliens.

Besides, the bill does NOTHING for undocumented aliens. For better or worse, it does not give health care to them. This is a fact. Look it up on factcheck-dot-org or some other reputable news source.

[BeantownJim]

For one thing Factcheck is an Annenburg gp and obama worked for them in the past I wouldnt trust an unbias opinion from them!

[VeseyConspiracist]

I didn't know that.

OK, try Politifact-dot-org. That non-partisan fact-checking website won the 2009 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting.

[VeseyConspiracist]

Found it. Elastic Clause: Article 1, sec. 1, clause 18.

And you're right -- it does not say in the Constitution that people are owed Health care. That's a judgement by our elected leaders.

One could argue that the Declaration of Independence argues in favor of health care: "Life...Pursuit of Happiness." If a man can't afford life-saving drugs or preventative care because of insurance company rules, isn't he being denied his life? Or maybe just his pursuit of happiness?

[44MONTEREY]

Medicare, medicaid and social security are not bankrupt. They are cash cows. Look at the revenue side of the budget. Do your homework. The workers pays in taxes $1044 B and in social security $838 B, and the corporations pay $354 B. On the expense side, military uses $499 B Education and other programs $ 812. B. and social security $545., Medicare $381 B. Profit added tax $ 0 Oil revenue from Alaska and off-shore $ 0.

[bass109]

swine flu terror season is almost here, no cure? no cure anyone?

[SODACAN09]

They've developed a vaccine and companies are mass producing it right now.

[BeantownJim]

This reminds me of the political club at high school no one knowing what to say or do Just wing it from a made up platform!

[commanderkool868]

it makes me lol that normal youtubers can't have 11 minute videos but you guys can have 90 minute videos. i just think its pretty funny.

[bass109]

swine flu terror

Costa Rican President Oscar Arias is suffering from the H1N1 swine flu virus

[bass109]

russia and Iran will never have holy city of israel, world war 3. war on terror, war on drug terror, war on health care terror, war on socialism terror, ect... its never end story

[BeantownJim]

These socialists lost the people of the united states already They will not even mention any legit poll unless it's something in their favor And generally if it is in their favor it's very small

[BeantownJim]

It was a good day when obongo showed up for his staged town hall event in new hampshire But in the crowd was a common man with a sidearm there to protest in peace of his constitutional rights as an american!

[BeantownJim]

For liberal's that hate war and love abortions You people are some sick sick people!

[BeantownJim]

Nancy pelosi in an interveiw with wolfe blitzer talked of cost effectiveness through abortions in planned parenthood That's genocide

[Smartassawhip]

We all know that it is becoming very difficult to get accurate information regarding the health care bill. I have come across sevral things that I think may be helpful for those of you seeking the truth and have taken the time to put them in my comment section for anyone who is having trouble getting answers. I also have a link to the pdf file for the easier to read version of the bill which I think is really awesome. It was sent out by congress via a request.

[anchor425]

bad news...bad people.....even worse pretend government.....lol....its easy to see this is the end of the road....the bottom of the bucket........cooperate government

[RaySquirrel]

me.

[BeantownJim]

Looks like communism to me!

[MoPapparani]

pray tell, what does communism look like to you? ...and don't just tell me to look at the video, describe it for me (again, don't describe the video lol), in your own words :)

[BeantownJim]

It looks like 32 free markets being taken over by govt' Which has happened and 32 czars placed to oversee them It also looks like our leaders telling the american people to shut up and follow direction Well i for one If someone comes up my ddriveway and tells me my constitutional rights Have no problem in silencing them!

[MoPapparani]

...and you're one of the pro-life people....nice.

[Skyman46]

If this communism I for one love it...we lived under psycho boy's bush nazism for 8 years and survived so we should do well under the leadership of a decent human being for a change.

[BeantownJim]

Decent human beings??? Your a bunch of whiny abortionsistic homosexuals Hell bent on taking anyone thats around you down for your immoral creationistic ideals

[exatreide]

Go burn some witches you barbaric bible thumper

[MoPapparani]

it's your hell...you believe in it, *YOU* burn in it!

[BeantownJim]

not my hell my hell doesnt intern people like you or this govt' your just meer puppets on a string

[bass109]

maybe they will come to their true senses and come to see light. videos are alright but need bigger change or something

[drmondman1]

people have the power. rise up & stand up. Economy comes from Community. if you are a doctor, help people if you are a teacher teach people if you don't know who you are, be somebody... its the people who have the power..

[Gina2NYC]

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[choidj]

Looks like big corporations trying to protect their profits to me!

[bass109]

these vidoes make everything look like they are working hard but really they look like playing around in congress still and not getting down to business

[bass109]

obama is first black president of our nation, he hasn't made one major disaster in his term yet. only time will tell how great a president his action will be. I vote for him but all american people expect more from president

[Gina2NYC]

One People, One Reich, One Leader, Hiel Bama! Here's one for your "fishy list" I think this "historical" racial nomination is all a farce. We don't need "historical" Historical" nominations due to race are not worth anything to our society, they need to be the best person for the job. I haven't seen any of that since Obama's election.

[BeantownJim]

The only ones not receiving care are the illegal aliens you mean.!

[KXMoon]

Haha, so many "firsts"

[anamarie8]

industry leaders ? that's a very general term

[GUN0TSOILDER5025]

10th!!! BEAT THAT SUCKAS!!!

[Friendo1231]

A long but informative video all the same. Hopefully, this plan passes.

The naysayers to it apparently aren't aware or do not wish to acknowledge that we Germans have been using a near UHC system like the one Obama is proposing since Otto von Bismarck came to power. And you know what? It's worked great for us for nearly 130 years, lol.

[KiddVid]

The same health plan that a number of your doctors and nurses were hung for following after WWII? No thank you.

[Friendo1231]

What the hell are you talking about? The only doctors executed after World War II worked in concentration camps, not rural and urban areas for German citizens.

[KiddVid]

Pick up a history book, you moron.

[Friendo1231]

Lol, I AM a historian, you assclown. The only German medical doctors executed at the end of World War II worked in concentration camps/performed experiments considered crimes against humanity.

Fucking imbecile.

[KiddVid]

How could a historian be so ignorant of his own country's history? How could you not know that basics regarding the Holocaust? Or do you deny that there was one?

[Friendo1231]

You're the stupid one here, not me. I've got plenty of books on the Holocaust, lol. Plenty more on the Nuremberg Trials as well.

But keep being persistent that you know more than I do. It's quite amusing. Really, it is.

[KiddVid]

Having books is not the same thing as knowing how to read them. Just having them in your bookshelf hasn't caused you to learn about eugenics, euthanasia, health care rationing, etc. You have a lot to learn. Try opening some books and actually reading them.

[Friendo1231]

I read all the time, and it is because I read that I know I am right. You would benefit greatly from picking up a book on medicine in Nazi-Germany sometime.

Since we've been having this rather tiresome discussion for nearly a week, I'm just going to ask you for a name. Just name one medical doctor from Germany who was executed after World War II for reasons not related to the concentration camps/Holocaust, then I will admit I was wrong.

You made the assertion, you back it with proof.

[KiddVid]

Just one? Dr. Karl Brandt was Hitler's personal physician & the Reich Commissioner for Sanitation & Health. He participated in the euthanasia program which was the execution of patients deemed unworthy of life, and too big a drain on the rest of the medical system. Patients were taken from German hospitals, and killed, as part of the German medical system. Brandt was found guilty of war crimes at the Nuremberg Medical Trials and was executed on June 2, 1948, at Landsburg prison in Bavaria.

[Friendo1231]

As part of Hitler's Nazi pseudoscience medical program, not part of the near universal health care system Otto von Bismarck created in 1883, 6 years before Hitler was even born lol.

Furthermore, Brandt was involved with the Holocaust under the T4 program, which sterilized patients deemed "unfit" for society, while it killed people deemed racially unfit (including Jews, gypsies, and homosexuals- all of whom were original targets of the Holocaust).

[KiddVid]

Btw, The Holocaust and eugenics were integral parts of the German medical system. All doctors were required to report disabled patients. Sure, the system worked well for some patients, but only at the expense of others. Eugenics is too high a price to pay. It brought great shame on Germany. It has no place in the civilized world.

[Friendo1231]

Eugenics was (mainly for admission to the Hitler Youth), but not the Holocaust. Disabled patients were sterilized, not killed off like the Jews were.

How exactly does that make the entire system invalid though simply because it went through a rough period of fascism and Nazism? It doesn't lol.

[KiddVid]

Bull shit. Disabled patients were killed en masse as part of a program operated under the German medical system. The T4 Program served as a model for the exterminations in the concentration camps. The Holocaust wasn't a birth control program.

Try reading some writings and sermons by Blessed Clemens August Graf von Galen.

Take a look at some propaganda from your medical community of the day. i26.tinypic [dot] com [slash] 5upx68 [dot] jpg

[Friendo1231]

After they were sent through experimentation projects linked to the Holocaust, the same sort of stuff people like Josef Mengele and Hans Eppinger worked in. Disabled patients were experimented on with drugs for the most part; Jews had drugs tested on them as well as experimental surgeries, not to mention a bunch of other ungodly stuff.

[KiddVid]

The Holocaust was more than "a rough period."

[Friendo1231]

Still haven't answered how it suddenly just invalidates the whole system.

[KiddVid]

You don't understand how a few thousand murdered patients invalidates the whole system? Then you are part of the problem.

[Friendo1231]

The whole system was replaced under the Third Reich by Nazi idealisms. You're confusing the issue. Eugenics was never in it when Otto von Bismarck created it, social Darwinism was not either, and racial/ethnic cleansing was also never included in the plan in the first place.

The system we use today is essentially the same one Bismarck put into effect, with some changes here and there over the last century. HOWEVER, there are no elements of Nazi ideology in it today. THAT is what is important.

[KiddVid]

Right. Never happened. Got it.

Back to reality. The Holocaust did happen, and it was more than just an annoying little incident that a couple of doctors dabbled in. It was carried out by doctors within the German health care system. Every member of that health care system was involved to some extent. Some were only involved to the extent that they were bound by the rules requiring them to report their patients. Some were directly involved in the killings. They were all part of the same system.

[Friendo1231]

Did I say it never happened? No. You're being intentionally misleading to try and push your point. Unfortunately, that's something a 5-year-old can see through.

Anyway, of course the Holocaust happened. Nobody has been denying that it didn't. Where have you been?

Yeah- and? What's your point lol? The Nazi health care system was not what Bismarck had put in place in 1883, the system we used until the rise of the Third Reich and right after it fell and use today. Common knowledge, dummkopf.

[KiddVid]

Yes, you did say the extermination of disabled people never happened. It absolutely did. It was a major component of The Holocaust. It wasn't just a rough little annoyance. The entire civilized world knew it was wrong.

[Friendo1231]

You said that I said that the Holocaust never happened, which I didn't. Nice try with twisting your and my words about though to suit your own ends.

Still haven't answered my question. How does Nazism invalidate the whole system Otto von Bismarck created in 1883 (again, let me remind you that Hitler completely changed it when he came to power)?

Yet the world did nothing. Not the United States, not Russia, not Great Britain, nobody. Lol.

[KiddVid]

I should have taken a look at your videos sooner, so I'd know I was dealing with a neo-Nazi. Your video titled "Music from Nazi-Germany" and your comments there tell me all I need to know about you. I won't even bother viewing your other pro-Nazi videos. No need to continue refuting your claims. Your pro-Nazi bias discredits anything you have to say on the subject.

[Friendo1231]

So just because I like studying World War II-era historical related material I'm a Nazi?

I know what you're trying to do now. You've avoided answering my question, you have tried changing the subject, and have attempted to twist my words (and your own words) around to meet your own ends. You're trying to get out of this debate, that's all, because you know you can't maintain your point because you got the facts completely wrong in the first place. I've seen it time after time with Creationists.

[Friendo1231]

I keep the comments they post because I'm not a fascist like you. Because I think they have every right to say what they want about Hitler and Nazism, be it for or against. I think they have every right to speak freely, regardless of my disagreements or agreements.

Furthermore, one can easily infer from the variety of your videos that you have no interest in history, you are a very strong Republican (not to mention Conservative), and you have no respect for anything not American.

[Friendo1231]

With that said, you are unwilling to listen to what others have to say- especially if what they say goes against what you think. You're probably one of the most arrogant and half-assed people I've ever come into contact with here on YouTube, and you're a painfully laughable excuse for a debater, let alone a historian.

With that said, you have given me a good laugh over the past week here with your "knowledge" that constitutes the quality and accuracy of a Wikipedia article lol.

[Friendo1231]

Finally, I really don't care anymore if you remain blissfully but arrogantly ignorant of the facts. It's really quite amusing- your persistence. So continue. I will get a chance to keep on laughing. But as far as debate is concerned, we're done. You can't back your position anymore, you haven't justified it in the first place and show no intention of ever doing so, and you lack the knowledge to do so in the first place.

I'm done now.

[KiddVid]

You sure got your panties in a wad over being recognized for the views you've expressed. I wasn't talking about other people's posts, creationism, or any of the topics you've tried to change the subject to. You've denied basic facts that everyone knows were elements of The Holocaust. Having viewed some of your pro-Nazi comments, I now understand why you deny major aspects of The Holocaust. I've provided support for the facts I've mentioned. The Nazis were wrong, and you're wrong to defend them.

[Friendo1231]

"Recognized" lol. I've only got like 3 videos about World War II; the rest are about World War I. The simple fact of the matter is you don't know a damn thing about history, despite your persistence that you do, and you don't know a damn thing about me.

I didn't change the subject. I made a comparison. Do you know the definition of the term?

I've set the record straight about the facts, because you were the one who was misrepresenting and distorting them in the first place. Someone had to.

[Friendo1231]

Where have I made a pro-Nazi comment? I haven't. If you think I have, then prove it. You made the assertion, you back it with proof.

With that said, I do not censor my viewers like you do. If they support National Socialism, that's fine by me. If they don't, that's also fine. Now I know free speech can be a hard thing for you personally when it comes into conflict with your views, but I on the otherhand like to give everyone a fair say- whether I agree or disagree.

[Friendo1231]

You have provided no support for what you have proclaimed to be fact, just baseless claims. If you want my sources, then I'll give you the ones I use most regularly (Internet sources, so EVERYONE can see them; books are a cheap copout for this type of debate):

USHMM[dot]org

holocaust[dot]about[dot]com

remember[dot]org

jewishvirtuallibrary[dot]org

holocaust[dot]trc[dot]org

Indeed the Nazis were wrong, and I'm not defending them. Nobody is. I'm simply defending Bismarck's near UHC plan which you

[Friendo1231]

tried to link to the Holocaust in a cheap attempt to construct a "valid" point.

[HarveyEspatchelowe]

This is soooo great! We have a transparent Presidential Administration that keeps us informed, and includes us in the process. It's such a huge change from the previous eight years.

[leimeisei909]

I'm sick of typing arguments against this thing, so I'll make this message short and sweet. This healthcare plan sucks, it'll cost everyone a shit load of money, please don't support it, no matter what this Obama guy tells you. Thank you.

[brumagemm]

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[csgskate]

ARE YOU THREATENING ME

[neomooooo]

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[wootbeans]

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