We need a dictator in America, and who better to take control of the people than a King. I say continue preparing us for the future when we go back to the dark ages. In other words we like being submissive in the USA. Penn is a nutter.
The day I take heath advice from a couple of grifting, professional slight of hand, con-artists over scientists is the day I've given up on common sense, knowledge and wisdom.
@DrBoneright Penn and Teller are strong supporters of Skepticism. You make your own choices with logic and reasoning, but you shouldn't be bashing them for doing wonders.
@JoNnYShizzle What is wonderous about them? They are grifters. Scammers. Just because they expose the secrets behind so called "magic" tricks does not qualify them to determine if removing pressure from spinal nerves can improve upon one's health. As far as "bashing" goes, I say, don't dish it out if you can't take it. They interview people who will support their yellow journalism and promote the idea that everybody with the same title is BS. They are professional BS artists and proud of it.
@JoNnYShizzle CHIROPRACTIC DOES NOT CURE ANYTHING ! ! The ONLY thing Chiropractors treat is nerve interference. When you take the pressure off of an impinged nerve you restore communication between the body and the brain. Then, the body can heal it's self. The body has it's own pharmacy. Any Chiropractor that says they can heal anything, skipped too many philosophy classes. What's misunderstood are reports of things Chiropractors have observed the body heal on it's own after treatment.
@DrBoneright the body is its own pharmacy? thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard. so i guess the kidney stones i had to have surgically removed should've been fixed by my body. and i guess i didn't need any medicine for the excruciating pain. i should've just had you snap my neck. lol
When you break a finger, CORTISOL is released into the bloodstream to numb it. Then your immune system causes it to swell up so you dont move it around and make it worse. You don't have to inject yourself with anything for these things to occur. Your body's ENDOCRINE SYSTEM does it on it's own. Do I believe you would have generated kidney stones if the nerve root that branches off and goes to your kidneys was NOT impinged? Probably not. Do I think you need your neck snapped...probably..lol
@DrBoneright dude this is actually scary to me. you believe all this stuff. its like a cult. kinda like religion. of course i need a real doctor for broken bones and kidney problems. chiropractors lmao gtfo
believe what stuff?? Do you even know what a THEORY is?? It's not faith it's physics! If you step on a garden hose, it dosen't work at it's best...so...when you put too much pressure on a nerve....there is no faith in physics. Look up theory, and then scientific method and see what GOOGLE has for you.
What Chiropractor speaks for all others? Who has the right to make claims for such a large group? What auto mechanic speaks for all others, what salesperson? Where are these DC's who think they can reverse rather than help prevent disease? On the contrary, Chiropractic offers the theory that subtle misalignment breaking down communication between the body and brain over a long period of time, MIGHT cause any disease,( NOT that starting treatment after diagnosis can cure ANY disease.) THEORY!
sweet christ. Penn is a nauseating, ignorant buffoon. As for those of you here spouting forth shit...and hating chiropractic...why have we survived every, single effort the medical profession has thrown at us? Why, i we chiropractors are so foul...do we still exist..again if we are so dangerous..why are we still here practicing..why is there no death rate? Why is it we get results...even though you foul pinheads...can't grasp the explanation we offer? if u were competent you'd understand
@nilbog44 Chiropracticmafia may be a bit passionate when making comments but the fact is that the efforts of those who seek to discredit Chiropractic have always been thwarted by the thousands of people who have reported positive results over the past 126 years. It dosen't take 126 years to get rid of true BS.Certainly not with the medical community doing the research.
@DrBoneright the medical community has zero respect for chiropractic "medicine." they are glorified masseuses. its ridiculous chiropractors have to go to school that long. they could learn that shit in one year. can you see a situation where someone is hurt on a beach or in a restaurant.."is there a doctor in the house? help help!" you walk up "i'm a doctor. a chiro doctor."..... no thanks
@nilbog44 Why does the word Doctor antagonize so many people ? ! ? A Doctor of Journalism wouldn't walk up to a man having a heart attack either, now would he?? I just stated in no uncertain terms that Chiropractic and Chiropractors don't heal anything and you still feel the need to TRY to invalidate the profession. Sad. And as for learning to treat in one year...I want to know that a DC knows everything an MD knows apart from DRUGS and SURGERY. The power that made the body, heals the body!!
@DrBoneright so instead you just pretend to be able to cure other ailments besides neck and back pain even though you can't? by letting the body cure itself? QUACK QUACK QUACK. yeah shame on md's for knowing surgery. what losers! much better to make your neck pop than to actually FIX the problem
DOPE is the FIX for symptoms. But no matter how much you take you won't get rid of the nerve interference that is causing the pain. I thank GOD for the MD and Surgeon, but not everybody needs them for simple misalignments However, when YOUR back hurts, just keep taking narcotics until your condition gets bad enough to warrant a surgical procedure. A couple of Harrington Rods will fix you up good. Then you can justify the dope that you obviously shovel into your mouth...QUACK, QUACK!!
so uhhh why the fuck does it show the stupid fucking crackle thing but i cannot get the god-damned video that i actually wanted to see able to play?!?!?! wTf
I guess none of the Little Golden Books have stories about "The Freedom Fighter And The Pea", or "The Seven Dancing Revolutionary Women". Maybe that's a topic for another vlog.
WOW! I guess the truth really does hurt... looks like little "sodie61" up and closed their YouTube account in shame... either that or they were afraid that their state chiro board would finally fugure out that he was giving out their secrets for treating HIV nad cataracts... just so sad and pathetic...
If you transplant an organ that organ has to take and yes, it is still controlled by the nervous system you stupid fuck. No asshole adjustment and proper diet would prevent a lot more people from dying than waiting til they had the disease in the first place then treating it with bullshit chemicals. Majic Johnson said fuck synthetics and look how good his is doing. Medicine is disease care and when you get a disease you have drugs and surgery. FUCK YOUR MOTHER YOU DUMMY
@sodie61 WOW... a transplanted organ has to "take"... they taught you that in chiroractic school did they? You are a quack and then some if you actually believe that.
Unless you know something I dont (which tend I seriously doubt), Magic (not "Majic") Johnson is now and has essentially always been paticularly compliant with his "synthetics"... sorry to burst your chiropractic fantasy there.
Since I feel like rising above your trash talk Ill just call you what you really are, a silly little man
You gotta love how a fat mother fucker like PENN is giving health advice. What the fuck does he know really, he's a quack. he is a uneducated comedic quack. The nervous system controls everything so chiropractic can cure anything. doesn't mean it will. If the lights go out in your house do you start changing light bulbs or check the circuit breaker? Cause when you bash Chiropractic people seek alternatives. drugs and surgery. killing people by the thousands daily. What a legacy fat fuck
@sodie61 OK... so when a heart/kidney/liver, ect. is transplanted into a patient is it still controlled by the central nervous system? How does that work exactly?
Again you use the word "cure"... "cure anything" to be exact. So by that particular rational HIV disease, pancreatic cancer, even a cataract could be "cured" by chiropractic. Correct me if Im wrong here.
Im starting to thinking that perhaps you may have not thought this thing through too well.
@drsoandso What is your cure, throw medications at people to block symptoms and wait til they die. I have a cure for HIV (DON'T FUCK PEOPLE WITH HIV), Cancer(STOP EATING ANIMALS...CANCER IS POPULATION CONTROL) Cataract(WEED!!) Anymore for me??? You guys think Health is a lack of symptoms and treat the body like it's a stupid fucking machine. Dr???Really!!! I wouldn't wipe my ass with your diploma. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOUR MEDICATIONS KILL???
@sodie61 WOW... you heard (read) it here first folks!
Chiropractics "cure" for HIV is to not "fuck people with HIV", for cancer is vegitarianism and most amazing of all, marijuana cures cataracts!
I suppose you can back all that up with excellent chiropractic research. Ill bet your professional organization has even published formal guidelines for such treatments.
How many people did I kill with my medications? Not half as many as you apparently off preaching that kind of genocidal stupidity.
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Penn should run for president. I'm tired of the bullshit douchebags we have to choose from now. And if the Libs try pulling more of their bullshit, he could dazzle them with his Magic! And Teller could be his Press Secretary.
As they said during the bullshit episode, chiropractic is fine for musculoskeletal problems. A properly trained chio will use manipulation, massage, physical therapy, and other scientifically validated treatments to treat muscles, tendons, ligaments, and skeletal structures. And they will only do so on people over the age of 14-16 years old.
The problem is these chiros that want to treat (and actually believe in) vertebral subluxations. Those are the ones that fuck it up for the rest of us.
If chiro is so great, how come you guys have to go to seminars to continually come up with new ways to milk money from unsuspecting victims. Go to three different chiros and you'll get three different diagnoses.
it is so hilarious that a fat creature like this who probably still takes drugs has the nerve to stand here and bash a profession that has been around for over a hundred years. and in that hundred years every single medical power has tried to rid the world of chiropractic and failed. Maybe because it works douche bag. Go smoke another joint nobody is taking your advice anyway.
@chirocatz YAH YAH YAH, YOU ARE SO RIGHT. CHIROPRACTIC WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND BECAUSE IT WORKS SO WELL. PEOPLE ARE SICK OF THE DRUG/P.T./STEROID SHOUT/ORTHOPOD BULLSHIT, THEY WILL ALWAYS COME TO US CAUSE WE WORK. I WOULDN'T TAKE IT SO PERSONAL IF PENN WASN'T SUCH A FAT PIECE OF SHIT. HE IS GOING TO DIE OF A HEART ATTACK SOON ANYWAY. SHOULD HAVE EXERCISE, GOT ADJUSTED AND TAKEN CARDIO PLUS. ENJOY YOUR STINTS FATTY!!!!
Chiropractors are not doctors, nor can it cure much of what it claims. And there are those who act irresponsibly. Nevertheless, it does help with certain back ailments. Why not go after acupuncturists? They're completely bogus. Chiro's do some good, albeit limited.
@plangentmusic Fixed a whiplash of mine. Even though there was some unnerving neck twisting and cracking noise at my appointments. But my neck felt better nonetheless
@plangentmusic Actually you are totally wrong about Chiropractors not being doctors. What is this 1950? First off they have a graduate professional "Doctor" degree. Secondly, they are one of only 5 types of doctors that the US Government lists as primary access physicians with MDs, DOs, DDS, and DPMs. There are Chiropractors that have hospital privileges in every state and those that teach in medical schools. Maybe you should do some fact checking.
@plangentmusic I AM A DOCTOR OF CHIROPRACTIC YOU IGNORANT FUCK. DOCTOR DOESN'T MEAN YOU WEAR A WHITE COAT, TALK LATIN AND GIVE PEOPLE DRUGS. DOCTOR MEANS YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IN YOUR FIELD. OPTOMITRIST, DENTIST, CHIROPRTOR, PHYSICAL THERAPIST......SO FUCK YOU. I DON'T CLAIM TO CURE ANYTHING, A DOCTOR CAN'T CURE ANYTHING. YOU CAN ONLY HELP THE BODY CURE ITSELF. ADJUSTMENTS/SUPPLEMENTS/STRESS MANAGEMENT OR SURGERY/DRUGS. DON'T BE SUCH A STUPID FUCK IN THE FUTURE...YOU'RE WELCOME.
@sodie61 Very classy response. Did they teach you that in "medical" school? LOL! Apparently you're not only a snake oil salesman and an ignoramus, you're an asshole too.
@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
I find it funny that the guy who mentions "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" was afraid to include the Vatican Episode on DVD from his Show "Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Chiropractors are "baby twisting MFs", huh? Have you seen a C-section up close and personal? I mean you're kidding right? Chiro. adjustments dont come anywhere close 2 the trauma inflicted on children by ob/gyn's during deliveries. AND, if there are chiros out there doing those type of adjustments - they need their license taken away but since you didnt and havent shown these mysterious "clips that are so horrible" I guess its just your credible word against the world. I call BULLSHIT!
@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
If a chiropractor tells you you need an adjustment every other day, there's something wrong there. A real chiropractor will tell you upfront that their end goal is to get you to the point where you only need adjustments twice a year or less. Of course when 20/20 did their chiropractic hit piece years ago, Barbara Walters was on vacation that week. They failed to mention she had been seeing a chiropractor for over ten years when the show aired. You and the mass media, both bullsh!t.
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Ironic that a guy who makes a living off smoke and mirrors is bashing chiropractic claiming chiropractic is all smoke and mirrors. Can you say hypocrite?
He's lucky he doesn't work with tigers! Regardless, it is all the "practice" of medicine. Every time a new patient takes a new pill it is experimental. How do think people find out they have Ibuprofen or penicillin allergies? The point is, chiropractic is so ridiculously safe compared to any procedure or medication. In fact, complications are too rare to even study. To single out one practitioner when many practitioners do spinal manipulation is unfair.
Also, you didn't refute my comment that it is hypocritical of him. In addition, you choose the service, you are informed of the risks. Parents choose everyday to have surgeons perform circumcisions, but Penn doesn't call them "baby penis butchering motherfuckers", why call chiro's "baby twisting motherfuckers"?
Only Penn would know if he is the first to admit something. So either you are Penn, or you are really close to Penn, perhaps you are Teller? Or not, perhaps you are lowly employee made to do Penn's dirty work. Either way, you may be close enough to get me free tickets to his show. :) And man, I could use a trip to Vegas. Tell you what, I will give him a free adjustment if he can hook me up for free tix. C'mon it's the Rio, so I know tix aren't that pricey!
@XXkAoTIcDo0mXX Chiropractic is more brutal? Let's see, crack your back or cut off the tip of your penis...hmmm, I will take chiropractic over circumcision...
Penn makes no claims that the tricks he performs are actual magic created by paranormal powers and potions and such. In fact he often shows how a trick is done in his performances. He admits his act is smoke and mirrors. Thus he is not a hypocrit. QED, motherfucker.
It would only be hypocritical if he claimed that he and Teller have real magic powers. P&T are notorious for being up front in all their shows for saying "This is all an illusion! There is no magic; it's all skill and engineering."
@ashstone503 No because people pay to be fooled by magicians, but not by chiropracters. He only bashes chiropracters that claim they can cure sicknesses. And he did do an episode on circumcision, and claimed to be against it. Anything else?
@skiddlecrumms -he bashed EVERY chiro. yes ,there are scum bags out there. Surprise, scum bags R in every profession! It either works or it doesn't work, no DR knows for sure if anything will work absolutely for every patient. That is why it is the "practice" of medicine. What are the major sicknesses in this country? Heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, obesity, all of it can be cured by a chiro with proper diet and exercise instruction, supplements and monitoring..without drugs!
@ashstone503 And, he said himself that chiropracters can be good for people who have broken their neck or back and haver chronic pain because of it. Not all of his oppinions are expressed in the 6 minutes of video he has posted here. He has done 30 minute episodes about this.
@ashstone503 chiropractic can "cure" coronary artery disease, diabetes mellitis, hyperlipidemia and obesity?
Really... diet, exersize, "supplements" and "monitoring" are all it takes? That will reverse, even erase atherosclerosis, insulin resistance and beta cell failure?
Chiroractors can keep that "practice" to themselves.
News flash genius... life expectancy in this country hasnt exploded over that past half century on account of chiropractic, those drugs have a lot more to do with it.
@drsoandso Chiropractic isn't just cracking bones it's also education on stress management and stress relief. When the body can't adapt medicine "disease care" takes it from there. There is a time and place for everything but if you think a synthetic drug can make you healthy you are a fucking nut job.
@sodie61 right... lets take a couple hundred HIV infected patients... you get half for stress management/relief and Ill put the other half on triple therapy w/ antiretrovirals... lets see how many are still "healthy" in 5-10 years.
Lets try the same thing with bypass patients... my half gets beta blockers, statins, asprin (big, bad "synthetic drugs") and the other half gets your bone cracking, ect... you get the idea.
Seriously... you would have to be a "fucking nut job" to be in your cohort!
@drsoandso Im not against standard traditional medical care. Hell, my wife is a nurse. When I speak of chiropractic, I include all types of conservative care. What is your protocal to treat or diabetes, hyperlipidemia and obesity? Do you first opt for surgery and drugs or do you try diet and lifestyle modifications? Life expectancy would be greater with more chiropractic, if the focus was patient compliance to lifestyle modification rather than drugs or surgery.
@ashstone503 You might be able to appreciably impact insulin resistance w/ diet/wt loss, but nothing is going to stop/reverse beta cell failure. For most patients the ONLY way to REAL control is Rx/insulin, and every study shows that early and aggressive Tx is by far the best.
Every study Ive ever seen shows that diet/exersize will decrease HLD by 10-15%. Given the decreased incidence of MI/CVA associated w/ significant LDL reduction, anything less than Rx in most cases is malpractice.
@ashstone503 "Life expectancy would be greater with more chiropractic"... thats a bold statement that Im sure you can back up with something like a reputable source.
If the "focus" was patient compliance to "lifestyle modification" then at best most would suffer from benign neglect (chiropractic style) more like genocidal stupidity at its worst.
Serioulsy, I honestly dont think chiropractors really understand the basic physiology underlying DM/HLD, ect. Your just not competent to speak to it,
@drsoandso Ponder this, you continue to promote an unhealthy food pyramid that is created by agricultural lobbyists. I would also think about why patients are now taught to "ask their doctor" about every Rx. You proved my point, you are so scared to get sued that you fail to be doctors, you backed yourselves into a corner where you honestly have to prescribe or risk getting sued. That is why the biggest fight against our Rx's rights is by our own profession.
@drsoandso And as for chiropractic studies - The FIRST federal research grant went to a chiropractic school not more than 10 years ago, so forgive us for being behind the research. Not to mention we do not have a "product" to sell and market where the "research" is done by big pharma. Now you can bash the whackos out there, and they deserve it, but you can't bash, nutrition, exercise, conservative care, SMT, PT, and concern for the whole patient, not just the symptoms.
@drsoandso I would also add that many chiro's were patients whom the medical profession failed. Including myself, when looking back, GP's don't know crap about orthopedics, 3 MD's over three years and nothing but "take Ibprofen" and not 1 MD touched me. (neck pain from snowboarding) Ane one even told me don't go to a chiropractor. But One crack and cured, no more spasm, twitches or pain. I cure people like that too, instantly, including tinnitus. Can't explain why, but strange shit happens.
@drsoandso To sum it up, I know you guys piss gold and shit silver, but if chiropractic didn't have any merit, people would be turning away, especially in the information age when any joe can look up crap like homeopathy and realize it is a sham. Unfortunately, people are still too into the philosophy of it, because it was used as a pseudo religion to avoid legal prosecution for practicing medicine with out a license many years ago. Anyway, cheers, merry christmas.
@ashstone503 Some very valid points I suppose... well put and heart felt Im sure. Im happy to agree to disagree on most as im likely jaded at chiropractics lunatic fringe that I seem to enounter more and more in my area (one of the local ones is now advertizing her new expertise in animal chiropractic).
Anyway, I realize full well that my shit stinks too. That said, cheers and a belated merry christmas to you to.
@drsoandso You have Parker college of chiropractic in Texas and those guys are all about massive marketing, making money, and "spreading the faith" and going against the big bad pharma industry. They are pretty hard core, not all bad guys, but just a bunch of "sheeple".
Veterinarians can adjust animals, but somehow that is not whacko? ...most of that stuff is reserved for show animals, race horses etc. I think it is odd too.
@drsoandso Sometimes I think that it is me that is on the fringe :) If you need to refer to a chiro, just find someone that does "diversified" or A.R.T. That is simply spinal manipulation and a form of specific soft tissue and muscle stretching/manual therapy. The other techniques may have some good use, but most have been convoluted with so much crap and hocus pocus over the years rendering them pretty useless. I find most MD's become believers once their golf game gets better :)
@drsoandso Are there chiro idiots out there? Absolutely! Is homeopathy a sham? You bet! I practice ethically, conseravatively, know my limits, and work with traditional medical care. Unfortunately, your lobbying organization is far superior to mine so your scope of practice, opportunities for loan repayment, employment opportunities, student loan forgiveness, are far greater. The world is handed to you once you gradutate. If chiro's had such opportunity, there would be no scammers.
@ashstone503 dont I wish that "our" lobbying organization was far superior to yours... if it was chiropractors wouldnt be "adjusting" infants to "cure" colic, pushing chelation and generally jousting at invisible subluxatuions.
The best we can do is keep you away from prescribing and deny you MUA (at least here in Texas).
As for the world being handed to us once we graduate I got 2 words for you... Internship and Residency! If chirpractor had to do them thye might deserve our "opportunities"!
@drsoandso As for our understanding of that physiology -
1) I would say some DC's do, some don't. When all you do is necks and backs, admittedly,much memory goes out the window and you forget, but its wrong to assume we never received graduate level education by those with PHD's teaching phys.
As forRX's, DO's now prescribe, they assimilated pretty well, chiro's can't?
Not all schools enforce subluxation theory, or more accurately, hypothesis. At ours it was simply historical info.
@drsoandso Props to the residency, I give you that whole point. But why should a PA be able to practice with a total of 27months education and internship? Especially military where they are pretty much autonomous?
And 2, graduate medical residency is paid for by Medicare budget...public funds that I pay into. Why aren't we invited to do residencies? Actually, some chiro's do in some hospitals. There is a history of us being shut out of the system systematically by the AMA, look up Wilkes case
@drsoandso 1) An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. 2)You don't see our side of it, where we have YOUR patients on six or eight different medications, and amazingly, we manage to get them off all of them. Not to mention you fail to address other issues, psychological...I spend an hour with each patient. I know them, I know what is going on in their family. You don't address their anxieties or cause, you just cover up the symptoms with Rx's.
The biggest point you are missing, is if you MD's did your job right your patients would not be getting diabetes, obesity, and heart disease in the first place. The majority of the most common conditions are highly preventable. "Doctor" first and foremost means teacher. What are you teaching society that they can live how they wish because all they have to do is take a pill to solve their problems. It is irresponsible, unsustainable,creates dependency, and drains limited healhcare resources.
@plangentmusic Hypocrite - someone who acts in contradiction to his stated beliefs. If chiro's are all smoke and mirrors, than he has no right to critize when he actually deals in smoke and mirrors.
@stealthbadger Yes, but chiropractic is NOT smoke and mirrors. I can't help it if there are few idiots out there that still use crap like homeopathy, magnets, toftness, etc much of which has been banned by the States anyway.
@ashstone503 If all you're saying is that chiropractic manipulation might make your back problems better depending on what your problem is, fine. If you're saying it's anything more than that (as most practitioners do), then it definitely is smoke and mirrors.
So I guess Osteopaths are ok to do spinal manipulation, or physical therapists, or even MD's who can take a weekend seminar and adjust without any certification what so ever? They all get a pass by Penn... Why don't you investigate the long term sucess rate of back surgery? I've met surgeons who admit back surgery doesn't work and they still do it! Dentists don't tell you fillings expand and will eventually crack your teeth.
I got more....people have been doing spinal manipulation for thousands of years, like acupuncture it is one of the most performed procedures in the history of mankind since ancient China and Egypt. Risks of chiropractic are far exceeded by that of your typical over the counter drug like Ibuprofen hundreds if not thousands of times over.
@chadhedges Like it or not, unfortunately ALL health care is a business. And look who has the largest lobbying / union organization 2nd to the baseball players union in the U.S., the American Medical Association. Drugs have their place, but when the top killers in U.S. are diabetes, heart disease, obesity, smoking, infection, cancer, most of which can be prevented or cured by by diet, exercise, lifestyle changes, but we CHOOSE or are given drugs, it's wrong..But big PHARM wants it that way.
@ashstone503 You'll see that I have similar post on several Chiropractic videos on this site. You have brought up many valid and insightful facts. I am finishing up my undergraduate study's and plan on attending National University for Chiropractic medicine in the fall. This type of care is effective and needed!!!
@ashstone503 You are totally right. I just hate that a fat guy is bashing healthcare. If he had a massive heart attack tomorrow would anybody be surprised?
chiroquack47 doesn't need me to bad mouth quackery....he is doing great on his own. A supposed physician who thinks spines get misaligned why..because of your own nervous system folks yep our own bodies create disorder,,,,,,,,,
let us not forget. A 2.5 gpa to go into quackery and get a nice diploma to hang in the outhouse saying you are a Dr. ....Not a real one but a quack one.yellow feathers and bill optional.
@lerxt46 people always use the 2.5 gpa bullshit. YES FUCK FACE TO "GET IN" You don't "GET OUT" until five years later after learning just about every fact about the human body. And then you pass National Boards which are written by medical doctors, then you practice the greatest profession on earth. Like looking at an symptom and trouble-shooting drugs is hard. I tell you what have a M.D. adjust 10 people and have a Chiro identify what is wrong with 10 people and see what happens FUCKER
@drsoandso Answer to your questions to Sodie61 - It is 4 years, usually condensed into 3.5 years, 37 class hours per weekm usually studying 13 different subjects. It is unnecessarily difficult and not condusive to learning but merely massive memorization in my opinion.
No post grad training, we practice right away, unless we want to specialize.
Student loan default rate is based on info from the 1980's till about 1993, as far as I can tell.
@drsoandso Graduates fail at practice because because student debt is too high, they have NO business experience and little options at other jobs like miltary, hospital work etc. And many open up with high overhead in private practice, so 2K per month in student loans and 2500 in overhead. They cant survive unless they over treat people. I keep my overhead low, 500 bucks a month, and practice just fine. MD's are looking for a good chiropractor that is ethical, evidence based to refer to.
@ashstone503 "evidence based" chiropractor is practically to an oxymoron... IS there "evidence" that spinal subluxation is at the core of 95% of human "dis-ease" as Palmer claimed?
I sometimes think that you guys (and gals) must have to look at yourselfs in a mirror long and hard every morning, telling yourselves that your not crazy as hell for believing what you do about the fundamental nature of human physiology... if you didnt then "ethics" would seem to dictate that you stop the con.
hey folks here is some more queeropactic quackery. Check put NUCCA technique. They touch the atlas vertebrae and magically allign your spine, the quack uses his magic healing force to align your back. However , you have to have it done every week to keep the 'alignment' in place. HO HO HO...quackery now folks , stay tuned for more to come!
@lerxt46 Nucca does move C1 clown. The University of Chicago Hypertension Center discovered how NUCCA lowers BP without drugs. NUCCA is one of the better techniques. Just cause you have a small dick doesn't mean you should bash. Blame your dad, he gave you baby dick....Hhahaaaahahah
@sodie61 That little study demonstrated that your C1 "adjustment" lowered BP marginally, comperable to a low dose generic Rx. Lets think here... an Rx you can get a WalMart for $4 a month paying cash or a series of neck adjustments that has to be repeated ad nauseum? Have those results even been reproduced in any study with any statistical power? Do you even know what that is?
Does your state board know what a charming little potty mouth you are? Your a real credit to your profession arent you!
2.5GPA for classes in quackery chorpractic. I dont think you even need a license to sell magnets or herbs. DB palmer did that too. before he got run over by his kid..too bad. Diplacement of lumbar vertabrae menas you will get Diptheria..would you believe it? ...the quacks do
@lerxt46 Is this your full time job, writing in and telling everyone how much you dislike chiropractic? Have you been kicked out of a chiropractic college ? Or perhaps you really don't have a life and are angry at your failure to make anything of yourself? We receive referrals from Md's, DO's and others frequently. We all have good working relationships and respect each others opinions. It is too bad you live in such a negative atmosphere.
@lifeson46 These types are embarrassing to the rest of our profession.
Most of us are not like that at all in our recommendations. I do not sell packages of treatments and handle patients a week or two at a time. There are too many unknowns to actually know how long it will take to solve individual problems. Keep looking, you will find a decent one.
@lifeson46 I would guess that these unscrupulous docs attended one or another of various get rich quick seminars that taught them how to fleece these people and make lots of money. I have seen it for years and have even attended such seminars ....It never rubbed off on me though. Unfortunately I hear these stories often. This is not what they were taught in school.
@Ronin6575 i'm sorry if you are offended but i have worked for 3 unscrupulous chiropractors in the past. I couldn't get over the fact that they only seemed interested in getting people in the door, carcking them and getting them out. I worked as a massage therapist for them. I am trained in deep tissue massage, myofsacial release, cranial sacral techiniques and have some training in soft tissue work from an old school D.O.
@lifeson46 We have a clinic a few blocks from my own that follows the same philosophy as the ones you describe. Too bad for all of us! We can only try to undo what they have taught the public about our profession.
@Ronin6575 well as i think I may have told you once before, I personally had more pain relief with an old school D.O. than the local chiropractor. My instructor at massage school was a chiro, a L.M.T., and a N.D. He taught an amazing class but even he did say that chiropractic can't really work as well for a recent injury as other soft tissue modalities. I worked for the type you described that were always going to these God awful practice building seminars. I hated them
@lifeson46 We employ a number of treatments in addition to chiropractic adjusting.
It is important to apply what the patient needs at the moment. With auto injuries, I usually wait until the initial inflammation subsides to adjust , but we will apply some healing therapies like ultrasound, or low level laser to reduce swelling for a few days.
We also use a lot of myofascial release for adhesions in the soft tissues.
2.5 gpa...thats all you need to go to quack classes...and mommy and pappy to pay for it. Of course you can get a loan which will go into default. 2.5 gpa..thats why Brits woant accept them as legit Dr's
@Ronin6575 If you are treating people with the intent of actually helping and not just making money, like that chiro47 guy thats fine. You seem like a gentleman unlike the a fore mentioned guy. I see you practice karate too. i studied shoryn ru karate, aikido, some brazilian ju jitsu and some mma. I also did some classes with a practitioner of Burmese stick fighting.
@lifeson46 I was in karate long before I even thought about chiropractic. I was actually teaching karate to a chiropractor when I became interested in his profession. After he treated me for some karate related neck and back problems, I decided to follow his footsteps and become a chiropractor. He was a real healer .
@Ronin6575 have you heard of a treatment called Rolfing? what are your thoughts on it? also cranial sacral therapy? I have had both performed and was amazed at what it can do. I practiced Shoryn Ryu for several years and then switched too MMA/Street boxing. I got mt green belt in katrate but I got tired of having to do kata's over again. With the street boxing we did more sparing and heavybag workouts.
@lifeson46 Rolfing is great ! I had about a dozen sessions back in the mid 90's, and it was amazing...The Rolfer and I traded treatments regularly then. They do good work, and it is a great adjunct to chiropractic....they both enhance each other.
Cranial Sacral....our chiropractic version is S>O>T or Sacro-Occipital technique and has been a part of chiropractic for many decades....we learned it in school over 30 years ago.....I integrate it into what I do in my office.
@Ronin6575 Having been in this profession for well over 30 years and having taught at a chiropractic school, I have learned that you influence more people with a little honey than you do with vinegar....I will stick with diplomacy and open mindedness. I do not have a high volume practice like you because I do much more and because of that, people do not have to keep coming to me month after month....I am quite happy with just doing a good job and enjoying what I do.
@Ronin6575 thank you.Chiro47 like to yell and let everyone know he has bought a jag and sees 500 patients a week. I see on average mabye5-6 people a day and spend at least an hour and a half with them. Sometimes longer. I dont have a jag. Don't want one. I am in the process of deciding on further Education and Rolfing is one thing I a m thinking of. I learned some cranial techniques from outr D.O.
@lifeson46 Rolfing is not a quick thing to become certified in I guess but it is worth it. Don't you have to go to Colorado to learn it? For a body worker, 5 or 6 people a day is plenty. It is exhausting work.
@Ronin6575 Yes Boulde Colo, but I think I may be able to take classes somewhat nearer to where I live. Did you experience any kind of emotional release when you recieved treatments? I have been searching for years to find the emotional link with body work.
@lifeson46 In 12 sessions , I did not experience any emotional release....but I rarely if ever do. I did experience an overall sence of well being and better control of all muscles afterwards. The Rolfer and I co-treated a number of patients on the same day to see how they would respond. They all stated that they never had a better treatment before. So, combined, they work very well.
@Ronin6575 Fortunately you're dealing with "lifeson46". Wait till you deal with the other trash shills on this vid. I originally took "your" chivalarious democratic demeanure. This shortly fell out of favor due to the desparaging remarks and attacks from the shills. I never attended a practice management seminar to grow my 500+ office. Toughen up Ronin6575, you'll need it. ADIO!
@chiropractic47 Many of the people who write in here and gripe about chiropractic probably have legitimate complaints...they may have been to an unscrupulous crook who had them come in for visits 3 times a week for a year ( some do that ).
Or they may have had an injury....( not always the fault of the chiro, but sometimes it is )....Why tell them they are just prejudiced? Why not find out what they are thinking and not over react to them. Calling names does not win a debate.
@Ronin6575 LOL! So if they feel they were duped or injured by a chiropractic doctor then why didn't thy go to another? When someones loved one is injured or dies under the hands of an MD they go to another. Chiropractic rehabilitates the spine, like completing a school subject, requires repetition. Then it is safe to assume that people hate physical therapists too...they require the patient to assume a simialr careplan. You made no sense. Penn still sucks and we want Chiropractic Now!
@chiropractic47 Here is where you need to understand the psychology of pain and human nature in general. Many people just assume that if one chiro is bad, they all are. It is a fear factor. They are simply afraid of being hurt. From the way you react to anyone who doesn't agree with you, I believe you are over reacting to other people's opinions. You seem like those whacky street preachers in big cities who shout out: Repent now or go to the devil!
@Ronin6575 "You seem like those whacky street preachers in big cities who shout out: Repent now or go to the devil!" Man! You just described Penn and the asshole anti-chiro posters of this video...to the tee? I hope you don't spend too much time playing tea party with the jerk-offs you believe are potential converts. Your a chiropractic doctor Ronin6575! Your buddies here hate while pretending to accept you.
We need a dictator in America, and who better to take control of the people than a King. I say continue preparing us for the future when we go back to the dark ages. In other words we like being submissive in the USA. Penn is a nutter.
99minerkc 2 months ago
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route00066 3 months ago
Why didn't republicans have a problem with the word "czar" when Reagan first initiated it?
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"Why didn't republicans have a problem with the word "czar" when Reagan first initiated it?"
Some did.
TheFlanker35 1 month ago
Is Penn really so hard up for money that I have to suffer through ads every time just to hear him talk fro 2-3 minutes?
If you're going to make us suffer through ads, at least put some fucking effort into your videos.
DickJohnson3434 5 months ago
The day I take heath advice from a couple of grifting, professional slight of hand, con-artists over scientists is the day I've given up on common sense, knowledge and wisdom.
DrBoneright 6 months ago
@DrBoneright Penn and Teller are strong supporters of Skepticism. You make your own choices with logic and reasoning, but you shouldn't be bashing them for doing wonders.
JoNnYShizzle 5 months ago
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DrBoneright 5 months ago
@JoNnYShizzle What is wonderous about them? They are grifters. Scammers. Just because they expose the secrets behind so called "magic" tricks does not qualify them to determine if removing pressure from spinal nerves can improve upon one's health. As far as "bashing" goes, I say, don't dish it out if you can't take it. They interview people who will support their yellow journalism and promote the idea that everybody with the same title is BS. They are professional BS artists and proud of it.
DrBoneright 5 months ago
@DrBoneright Do you believe that the claims of Chiropractors are true?
JoNnYShizzle 5 months ago
@JoNnYShizzle CHIROPRACTIC DOES NOT CURE ANYTHING ! ! The ONLY thing Chiropractors treat is nerve interference. When you take the pressure off of an impinged nerve you restore communication between the body and the brain. Then, the body can heal it's self. The body has it's own pharmacy. Any Chiropractor that says they can heal anything, skipped too many philosophy classes. What's misunderstood are reports of things Chiropractors have observed the body heal on it's own after treatment.
DrBoneright 5 months ago
@DrBoneright the body is its own pharmacy? thats the dumbest thing i've ever heard. so i guess the kidney stones i had to have surgically removed should've been fixed by my body. and i guess i didn't need any medicine for the excruciating pain. i should've just had you snap my neck. lol
nilbog44 5 months ago
When you break a finger, CORTISOL is released into the bloodstream to numb it. Then your immune system causes it to swell up so you dont move it around and make it worse. You don't have to inject yourself with anything for these things to occur. Your body's ENDOCRINE SYSTEM does it on it's own. Do I believe you would have generated kidney stones if the nerve root that branches off and goes to your kidneys was NOT impinged? Probably not. Do I think you need your neck snapped...probably..lol
DrBoneright 5 months ago
@DrBoneright dude this is actually scary to me. you believe all this stuff. its like a cult. kinda like religion. of course i need a real doctor for broken bones and kidney problems. chiropractors lmao gtfo
nilbog44 5 months ago
believe what stuff?? Do you even know what a THEORY is?? It's not faith it's physics! If you step on a garden hose, it dosen't work at it's best...so...when you put too much pressure on a nerve....there is no faith in physics. Look up theory, and then scientific method and see what GOOGLE has for you.
DrBoneright 5 months ago
...and any time you can find a link to the DC that wants to fix your fractures or systemic problems...lay it on me.
DrBoneright 5 months ago
What Chiropractor speaks for all others? Who has the right to make claims for such a large group? What auto mechanic speaks for all others, what salesperson? Where are these DC's who think they can reverse rather than help prevent disease? On the contrary, Chiropractic offers the theory that subtle misalignment breaking down communication between the body and brain over a long period of time, MIGHT cause any disease,( NOT that starting treatment after diagnosis can cure ANY disease.) THEORY!
DrBoneright 5 months ago
sweet christ. Penn is a nauseating, ignorant buffoon. As for those of you here spouting forth shit...and hating chiropractic...why have we survived every, single effort the medical profession has thrown at us? Why, i we chiropractors are so foul...do we still exist..again if we are so dangerous..why are we still here practicing..why is there no death rate? Why is it we get results...even though you foul pinheads...can't grasp the explanation we offer? if u were competent you'd understand
Chiropracticmafia 7 months ago
@Chiropracticmafia yeah just because you are still practicing makes you legit...... great argument
nilbog44 5 months ago
@nilbog44 Chiropracticmafia may be a bit passionate when making comments but the fact is that the efforts of those who seek to discredit Chiropractic have always been thwarted by the thousands of people who have reported positive results over the past 126 years. It dosen't take 126 years to get rid of true BS.Certainly not with the medical community doing the research.
DrBoneright 5 months ago
@DrBoneright the medical community has zero respect for chiropractic "medicine." they are glorified masseuses. its ridiculous chiropractors have to go to school that long. they could learn that shit in one year. can you see a situation where someone is hurt on a beach or in a restaurant.."is there a doctor in the house? help help!" you walk up "i'm a doctor. a chiro doctor."..... no thanks
nilbog44 5 months ago
@nilbog44 Why does the word Doctor antagonize so many people ? ! ? A Doctor of Journalism wouldn't walk up to a man having a heart attack either, now would he?? I just stated in no uncertain terms that Chiropractic and Chiropractors don't heal anything and you still feel the need to TRY to invalidate the profession. Sad. And as for learning to treat in one year...I want to know that a DC knows everything an MD knows apart from DRUGS and SURGERY. The power that made the body, heals the body!!
DrBoneright 5 months ago
@DrBoneright so instead you just pretend to be able to cure other ailments besides neck and back pain even though you can't? by letting the body cure itself? QUACK QUACK QUACK. yeah shame on md's for knowing surgery. what losers! much better to make your neck pop than to actually FIX the problem
nilbog44 5 months ago
DOPE is the FIX for symptoms. But no matter how much you take you won't get rid of the nerve interference that is causing the pain. I thank GOD for the MD and Surgeon, but not everybody needs them for simple misalignments However, when YOUR back hurts, just keep taking narcotics until your condition gets bad enough to warrant a surgical procedure. A couple of Harrington Rods will fix you up good. Then you can justify the dope that you obviously shovel into your mouth...QUACK, QUACK!!
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DrBoneright 5 months ago
watching penn, teller, and penn and teller are the only videos I don't mind watching ad ad for, they are that great.
ontariobuds 8 months ago
so uhhh why the fuck does it show the stupid fucking crackle thing but i cannot get the god-damned video that i actually wanted to see able to play?!?!?! wTf
Bojoe777NaBl 10 months ago 6
I guess none of the Little Golden Books have stories about "The Freedom Fighter And The Pea", or "The Seven Dancing Revolutionary Women". Maybe that's a topic for another vlog.
JBofBrisbane 11 months ago
he looks like a guy i seen on fetch with ruff ruffmen season 5. THATS THE MAGICIAN GUY!!
TheMSGod 11 months ago
I'm British and agree with you, Dawkins, Randi and Singh that libel laws need to stay the fuck out of science.
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kristincoyn 1 year ago
WOW! I guess the truth really does hurt... looks like little "sodie61" up and closed their YouTube account in shame... either that or they were afraid that their state chiro board would finally fugure out that he was giving out their secrets for treating HIV nad cataracts... just so sad and pathetic...
drsoandso 1 year ago
If you transplant an organ that organ has to take and yes, it is still controlled by the nervous system you stupid fuck. No asshole adjustment and proper diet would prevent a lot more people from dying than waiting til they had the disease in the first place then treating it with bullshit chemicals. Majic Johnson said fuck synthetics and look how good his is doing. Medicine is disease care and when you get a disease you have drugs and surgery. FUCK YOUR MOTHER YOU DUMMY
sodie61 1 year ago
@sodie61 WOW... a transplanted organ has to "take"... they taught you that in chiroractic school did they? You are a quack and then some if you actually believe that.
Unless you know something I dont (which tend I seriously doubt), Magic (not "Majic") Johnson is now and has essentially always been paticularly compliant with his "synthetics"... sorry to burst your chiropractic fantasy there.
Since I feel like rising above your trash talk Ill just call you what you really are, a silly little man
drsoandso 1 year ago
You gotta love how a fat mother fucker like PENN is giving health advice. What the fuck does he know really, he's a quack. he is a uneducated comedic quack. The nervous system controls everything so chiropractic can cure anything. doesn't mean it will. If the lights go out in your house do you start changing light bulbs or check the circuit breaker? Cause when you bash Chiropractic people seek alternatives. drugs and surgery. killing people by the thousands daily. What a legacy fat fuck
sodie61 1 year ago
@sodie61 OK... so when a heart/kidney/liver, ect. is transplanted into a patient is it still controlled by the central nervous system? How does that work exactly?
Again you use the word "cure"... "cure anything" to be exact. So by that particular rational HIV disease, pancreatic cancer, even a cataract could be "cured" by chiropractic. Correct me if Im wrong here.
Im starting to thinking that perhaps you may have not thought this thing through too well.
Im dying to read your answer smart guy.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso What is your cure, throw medications at people to block symptoms and wait til they die. I have a cure for HIV (DON'T FUCK PEOPLE WITH HIV), Cancer(STOP EATING ANIMALS...CANCER IS POPULATION CONTROL) Cataract(WEED!!) Anymore for me??? You guys think Health is a lack of symptoms and treat the body like it's a stupid fucking machine. Dr???Really!!! I wouldn't wipe my ass with your diploma. HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOUR MEDICATIONS KILL???
sodie61 1 year ago
@sodie61 WOW... you heard (read) it here first folks!
Chiropractics "cure" for HIV is to not "fuck people with HIV", for cancer is vegitarianism and most amazing of all, marijuana cures cataracts!
I suppose you can back all that up with excellent chiropractic research. Ill bet your professional organization has even published formal guidelines for such treatments.
How many people did I kill with my medications? Not half as many as you apparently off preaching that kind of genocidal stupidity.
drsoandso 1 year ago
SAVE FREE SPEECH!!!, the government are trying to take over the internet then put a tax on it, help save it by signing this petition please!! GO TO petition.org.au
GLICKTON 1 year ago
Yes, let's not use the term Czar, even though that accurately describes the amount of power they have over their given area...
Rensune 1 year ago
Penn should run for president. I'm tired of the bullshit douchebags we have to choose from now. And if the Libs try pulling more of their bullshit, he could dazzle them with his Magic! And Teller could be his Press Secretary.
curtmorehouse 1 year ago
@curtmorehouse ROFL...think about it...a 'Press' secretary...who doesn't talk!
That would be the day, yeah?
Penn for Pres 2012
TheMarkNessMonster 1 year ago
As they said during the bullshit episode, chiropractic is fine for musculoskeletal problems. A properly trained chio will use manipulation, massage, physical therapy, and other scientifically validated treatments to treat muscles, tendons, ligaments, and skeletal structures. And they will only do so on people over the age of 14-16 years old.
The problem is these chiros that want to treat (and actually believe in) vertebral subluxations. Those are the ones that fuck it up for the rest of us.
AgActual 1 year ago
@AgActual So kids have no trauma?
sodie61 1 year ago
If chiro is so great, how come you guys have to go to seminars to continually come up with new ways to milk money from unsuspecting victims. Go to three different chiros and you'll get three different diagnoses.
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@capnkrik1 You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?.
drjackflash 1 year ago
it is so hilarious that a fat creature like this who probably still takes drugs has the nerve to stand here and bash a profession that has been around for over a hundred years. and in that hundred years every single medical power has tried to rid the world of chiropractic and failed. Maybe because it works douche bag. Go smoke another joint nobody is taking your advice anyway.
chirocatz 1 year ago
@chirocatz YAH YAH YAH, YOU ARE SO RIGHT. CHIROPRACTIC WILL ALWAYS BE AROUND BECAUSE IT WORKS SO WELL. PEOPLE ARE SICK OF THE DRUG/P.T./STEROID SHOUT/ORTHOPOD BULLSHIT, THEY WILL ALWAYS COME TO US CAUSE WE WORK. I WOULDN'T TAKE IT SO PERSONAL IF PENN WASN'T SUCH A FAT PIECE OF SHIT. HE IS GOING TO DIE OF A HEART ATTACK SOON ANYWAY. SHOULD HAVE EXERCISE, GOT ADJUSTED AND TAKEN CARDIO PLUS. ENJOY YOUR STINTS FATTY!!!!
sodie61 1 year ago
Chiropractors are not doctors, nor can it cure much of what it claims. And there are those who act irresponsibly. Nevertheless, it does help with certain back ailments. Why not go after acupuncturists? They're completely bogus. Chiro's do some good, albeit limited.
plangentmusic 1 year ago
@plangentmusic Fixed a whiplash of mine. Even though there was some unnerving neck twisting and cracking noise at my appointments. But my neck felt better nonetheless
clay180 1 year ago
@clay180 As I said, they can do some good.
plangentmusic 1 year ago
@plangentmusic Actually you are totally wrong about Chiropractors not being doctors. What is this 1950? First off they have a graduate professional "Doctor" degree. Secondly, they are one of only 5 types of doctors that the US Government lists as primary access physicians with MDs, DOs, DDS, and DPMs. There are Chiropractors that have hospital privileges in every state and those that teach in medical schools. Maybe you should do some fact checking.
drjackflash 1 year ago
@plangentmusic I AM A DOCTOR OF CHIROPRACTIC YOU IGNORANT FUCK. DOCTOR DOESN'T MEAN YOU WEAR A WHITE COAT, TALK LATIN AND GIVE PEOPLE DRUGS. DOCTOR MEANS YOUR LEVEL OF EXPERTISE IN YOUR FIELD. OPTOMITRIST, DENTIST, CHIROPRTOR, PHYSICAL THERAPIST......SO FUCK YOU. I DON'T CLAIM TO CURE ANYTHING, A DOCTOR CAN'T CURE ANYTHING. YOU CAN ONLY HELP THE BODY CURE ITSELF. ADJUSTMENTS/SUPPLEMENTS/STRESS MANAGEMENT OR SURGERY/DRUGS. DON'T BE SUCH A STUPID FUCK IN THE FUTURE...YOU'RE WELCOME.
sodie61 1 year ago
@sodie61 Very classy response. Did they teach you that in "medical" school? LOL! Apparently you're not only a snake oil salesman and an ignoramus, you're an asshole too.
plangentmusic 1 year ago
...more like ignorantsays.
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BJBlitzstein 1 year ago
I guess than because one bad magician makes one bad trick, all magicians are bad, huh? really logical...
chirodocj79 1 year ago
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@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
drsinclair1 1 year ago
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@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
drsinclair1 1 year ago
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@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
drsinclair1 1 year ago
I find it funny that the guy who mentions "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" was afraid to include the Vatican Episode on DVD from his Show "Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
AmericaJustin 1 year ago
It's funny because i have always wondered if Penn uses a CPAP machine, I use one and it causes a similar bump on my forehead
tenkins 1 year ago
"attractive except she was a chiropractor" - LMFAO
karn33333 1 year ago
Hi Penn fans. Penn Says videos have been discontinued, so you won't be seeing any new content on here. You can check out our Profile on our Channel Page for more info. We'll still be checking in, so hope to keep chatting with you all! Thanks!
pennsays 1 year ago
Chiropractors are "baby twisting MFs", huh? Have you seen a C-section up close and personal? I mean you're kidding right? Chiro. adjustments dont come anywhere close 2 the trauma inflicted on children by ob/gyn's during deliveries. AND, if there are chiros out there doing those type of adjustments - they need their license taken away but since you didnt and havent shown these mysterious "clips that are so horrible" I guess its just your credible word against the world. I call BULLSHIT!
drsinclair1 1 year ago
@drsinclair1 do you even know what a C - section is?
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 That is your response to my post? Really? Hmm?! Well, alright then. What was your intent with that? To be witty? I dont know.
drsinclair1 1 year ago
@drsinclair1 well seeing that you failed to answer even the simplest question possible it is now obvious why you made such a retarded statement.
karn33333 1 year ago
@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
drsinclair1 1 year ago
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@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
drsinclair1 1 year ago
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@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
drsinclair1 1 year ago
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@karn33333 Yes you're absolutely right. My statement was...what are you again? Right, retarded. With a response like yours, it really didnt seem like it needed to be answered. I take it you've never seen a c-section being done or the waiver that the hospital requires to perform said procedure. Go do your homework and look up the estimated force used in various deliveries and I can promise you the force used in a proper adjustment for a newborn is no where near the same.
drsinclair1 1 year ago
If a chiropractor tells you you need an adjustment every other day, there's something wrong there. A real chiropractor will tell you upfront that their end goal is to get you to the point where you only need adjustments twice a year or less. Of course when 20/20 did their chiropractic hit piece years ago, Barbara Walters was on vacation that week. They failed to mention she had been seeing a chiropractor for over ten years when the show aired. You and the mass media, both bullsh!t.
nekotech 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Ironic that a guy who makes a living off smoke and mirrors is bashing chiropractic claiming chiropractic is all smoke and mirrors. Can you say hypocrite?
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 Although no one gets hurt when he's doing magic at the Rio.
pennsays 1 year ago 9
@pennsays
He's lucky he doesn't work with tigers! Regardless, it is all the "practice" of medicine. Every time a new patient takes a new pill it is experimental. How do think people find out they have Ibuprofen or penicillin allergies? The point is, chiropractic is so ridiculously safe compared to any procedure or medication. In fact, complications are too rare to even study. To single out one practitioner when many practitioners do spinal manipulation is unfair.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@pennsays
Also, you didn't refute my comment that it is hypocritical of him. In addition, you choose the service, you are informed of the risks. Parents choose everyday to have surgeons perform circumcisions, but Penn doesn't call them "baby penis butchering motherfuckers", why call chiro's "baby twisting motherfuckers"?
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 II've said this before, but I think Penn would be the first to admit that he can sometimes be hypocritical. :-)
pennsays 1 year ago
@pennsays
Only Penn would know if he is the first to admit something. So either you are Penn, or you are really close to Penn, perhaps you are Teller? Or not, perhaps you are lowly employee made to do Penn's dirty work. Either way, you may be close enough to get me free tickets to his show. :) And man, I could use a trip to Vegas. Tell you what, I will give him a free adjustment if he can hook me up for free tix. C'mon it's the Rio, so I know tix aren't that pricey!
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 But circumcisions aren't as brutal as what the chiro's do.
XXkAoTIcDo0mXX 1 year ago
Seriously!!!!!
TheKinesman 1 year ago
@XXkAoTIcDo0mXX Chiropractic is more brutal? Let's see, crack your back or cut off the tip of your penis...hmmm, I will take chiropractic over circumcision...
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 well penn doesn't actually expect you to believe he is really magic.
hailmary7283 1 year ago
@ashstone503 I'll refute it:
Penn makes no claims that the tricks he performs are actual magic created by paranormal powers and potions and such. In fact he often shows how a trick is done in his performances. He admits his act is smoke and mirrors. Thus he is not a hypocrit. QED, motherfucker.
masterhalco 1 year ago
@ashstone503
It would only be hypocritical if he claimed that he and Teller have real magic powers. P&T are notorious for being up front in all their shows for saying "This is all an illusion! There is no magic; it's all skill and engineering."
arbitterm 1 year ago
@ashstone503 I'm pretty sure there was a bullshit episode about circumcisions.
Kaoimhin19 1 year ago
@ashstone503
If you'd watched his program on circumcision, that's almost exactly what he says.
MyPablohoney 11 months ago
@pennsays Tell that to the lady that got hit by one of those tin foil balls! lmao!
plaidgorrilla 1 year ago
@ashstone503 your stupid penn always says magic's fake
exodus2142 1 year ago
@exodus2142 Did you really take the time out of your day just to post and say I am stupid? Well you are do-do.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 People that go to magic shows go there for the purpose of being fooled.
SgtDICTION 1 year ago
@ashstone503 Penn never once said his tricks are real.
TheGreatRL 1 year ago 7
@ashstone503 No because people pay to be fooled by magicians, but not by chiropracters. He only bashes chiropracters that claim they can cure sicknesses. And he did do an episode on circumcision, and claimed to be against it. Anything else?
skiddlecrumms 1 year ago
@skiddlecrumms -he bashed EVERY chiro. yes ,there are scum bags out there. Surprise, scum bags R in every profession! It either works or it doesn't work, no DR knows for sure if anything will work absolutely for every patient. That is why it is the "practice" of medicine. What are the major sicknesses in this country? Heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, obesity, all of it can be cured by a chiro with proper diet and exercise instruction, supplements and monitoring..without drugs!
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 The can "Heart disease, diabetes, high cholesterol, obesity" be cured with chiropractics?
skiddlecrumms 1 year ago
@ashstone503 And, he said himself that chiropracters can be good for people who have broken their neck or back and haver chronic pain because of it. Not all of his oppinions are expressed in the 6 minutes of video he has posted here. He has done 30 minute episodes about this.
skiddlecrumms 1 year ago
@ashstone503 chiropractic can "cure" coronary artery disease, diabetes mellitis, hyperlipidemia and obesity?
Really... diet, exersize, "supplements" and "monitoring" are all it takes? That will reverse, even erase atherosclerosis, insulin resistance and beta cell failure?
Chiroractors can keep that "practice" to themselves.
News flash genius... life expectancy in this country hasnt exploded over that past half century on account of chiropractic, those drugs have a lot more to do with it.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso Chiropractic isn't just cracking bones it's also education on stress management and stress relief. When the body can't adapt medicine "disease care" takes it from there. There is a time and place for everything but if you think a synthetic drug can make you healthy you are a fucking nut job.
sodie61 1 year ago
@sodie61 right... lets take a couple hundred HIV infected patients... you get half for stress management/relief and Ill put the other half on triple therapy w/ antiretrovirals... lets see how many are still "healthy" in 5-10 years.
Lets try the same thing with bypass patients... my half gets beta blockers, statins, asprin (big, bad "synthetic drugs") and the other half gets your bone cracking, ect... you get the idea.
Seriously... you would have to be a "fucking nut job" to be in your cohort!
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso Im not against standard traditional medical care. Hell, my wife is a nurse. When I speak of chiropractic, I include all types of conservative care. What is your protocal to treat or diabetes, hyperlipidemia and obesity? Do you first opt for surgery and drugs or do you try diet and lifestyle modifications? Life expectancy would be greater with more chiropractic, if the focus was patient compliance to lifestyle modification rather than drugs or surgery.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 You might be able to appreciably impact insulin resistance w/ diet/wt loss, but nothing is going to stop/reverse beta cell failure. For most patients the ONLY way to REAL control is Rx/insulin, and every study shows that early and aggressive Tx is by far the best.
Every study Ive ever seen shows that diet/exersize will decrease HLD by 10-15%. Given the decreased incidence of MI/CVA associated w/ significant LDL reduction, anything less than Rx in most cases is malpractice.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@ashstone503 "Life expectancy would be greater with more chiropractic"... thats a bold statement that Im sure you can back up with something like a reputable source.
If the "focus" was patient compliance to "lifestyle modification" then at best most would suffer from benign neglect (chiropractic style) more like genocidal stupidity at its worst.
Serioulsy, I honestly dont think chiropractors really understand the basic physiology underlying DM/HLD, ect. Your just not competent to speak to it,
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso Ponder this, you continue to promote an unhealthy food pyramid that is created by agricultural lobbyists. I would also think about why patients are now taught to "ask their doctor" about every Rx. You proved my point, you are so scared to get sued that you fail to be doctors, you backed yourselves into a corner where you honestly have to prescribe or risk getting sued. That is why the biggest fight against our Rx's rights is by our own profession.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@drsoandso And as for chiropractic studies - The FIRST federal research grant went to a chiropractic school not more than 10 years ago, so forgive us for being behind the research. Not to mention we do not have a "product" to sell and market where the "research" is done by big pharma. Now you can bash the whackos out there, and they deserve it, but you can't bash, nutrition, exercise, conservative care, SMT, PT, and concern for the whole patient, not just the symptoms.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@drsoandso I would also add that many chiro's were patients whom the medical profession failed. Including myself, when looking back, GP's don't know crap about orthopedics, 3 MD's over three years and nothing but "take Ibprofen" and not 1 MD touched me. (neck pain from snowboarding) Ane one even told me don't go to a chiropractor. But One crack and cured, no more spasm, twitches or pain. I cure people like that too, instantly, including tinnitus. Can't explain why, but strange shit happens.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@drsoandso To sum it up, I know you guys piss gold and shit silver, but if chiropractic didn't have any merit, people would be turning away, especially in the information age when any joe can look up crap like homeopathy and realize it is a sham. Unfortunately, people are still too into the philosophy of it, because it was used as a pseudo religion to avoid legal prosecution for practicing medicine with out a license many years ago. Anyway, cheers, merry christmas.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 Some very valid points I suppose... well put and heart felt Im sure. Im happy to agree to disagree on most as im likely jaded at chiropractics lunatic fringe that I seem to enounter more and more in my area (one of the local ones is now advertizing her new expertise in animal chiropractic).
Anyway, I realize full well that my shit stinks too. That said, cheers and a belated merry christmas to you to.
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso You have Parker college of chiropractic in Texas and those guys are all about massive marketing, making money, and "spreading the faith" and going against the big bad pharma industry. They are pretty hard core, not all bad guys, but just a bunch of "sheeple".
Veterinarians can adjust animals, but somehow that is not whacko? ...most of that stuff is reserved for show animals, race horses etc. I think it is odd too.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@drsoandso Sometimes I think that it is me that is on the fringe :) If you need to refer to a chiro, just find someone that does "diversified" or A.R.T. That is simply spinal manipulation and a form of specific soft tissue and muscle stretching/manual therapy. The other techniques may have some good use, but most have been convoluted with so much crap and hocus pocus over the years rendering them pretty useless. I find most MD's become believers once their golf game gets better :)
ashstone503 1 year ago
@drsoandso Are there chiro idiots out there? Absolutely! Is homeopathy a sham? You bet! I practice ethically, conseravatively, know my limits, and work with traditional medical care. Unfortunately, your lobbying organization is far superior to mine so your scope of practice, opportunities for loan repayment, employment opportunities, student loan forgiveness, are far greater. The world is handed to you once you gradutate. If chiro's had such opportunity, there would be no scammers.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 dont I wish that "our" lobbying organization was far superior to yours... if it was chiropractors wouldnt be "adjusting" infants to "cure" colic, pushing chelation and generally jousting at invisible subluxatuions.
The best we can do is keep you away from prescribing and deny you MUA (at least here in Texas).
As for the world being handed to us once we graduate I got 2 words for you... Internship and Residency! If chirpractor had to do them thye might deserve our "opportunities"!
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso As for our understanding of that physiology -
1) I would say some DC's do, some don't. When all you do is necks and backs, admittedly,much memory goes out the window and you forget, but its wrong to assume we never received graduate level education by those with PHD's teaching phys.
As forRX's, DO's now prescribe, they assimilated pretty well, chiro's can't?
Not all schools enforce subluxation theory, or more accurately, hypothesis. At ours it was simply historical info.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@drsoandso Props to the residency, I give you that whole point. But why should a PA be able to practice with a total of 27months education and internship? Especially military where they are pretty much autonomous?
And 2, graduate medical residency is paid for by Medicare budget...public funds that I pay into. Why aren't we invited to do residencies? Actually, some chiro's do in some hospitals. There is a history of us being shut out of the system systematically by the AMA, look up Wilkes case
ashstone503 1 year ago
@drsoandso 1) An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. 2)You don't see our side of it, where we have YOUR patients on six or eight different medications, and amazingly, we manage to get them off all of them. Not to mention you fail to address other issues, psychological...I spend an hour with each patient. I know them, I know what is going on in their family. You don't address their anxieties or cause, you just cover up the symptoms with Rx's.
ashstone503 1 year ago
The biggest point you are missing, is if you MD's did your job right your patients would not be getting diabetes, obesity, and heart disease in the first place. The majority of the most common conditions are highly preventable. "Doctor" first and foremost means teacher. What are you teaching society that they can live how they wish because all they have to do is take a pill to solve their problems. It is irresponsible, unsustainable,creates dependency, and drains limited healhcare resources.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 Um, he does a magic show. He doesn't actually claim it's real. Do you understand the meaning of hypocrite?
plangentmusic 1 year ago
@plangentmusic Hypocrite - someone who acts in contradiction to his stated beliefs. If chiro's are all smoke and mirrors, than he has no right to critize when he actually deals in smoke and mirrors.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 Except that he's making no bones about the fact that stage magic is smoke and mirrors, which means it's not hypocrisy .
stealthbadger 1 year ago
@stealthbadger Yes, but chiropractic is NOT smoke and mirrors. I can't help it if there are few idiots out there that still use crap like homeopathy, magnets, toftness, etc much of which has been banned by the States anyway.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 If all you're saying is that chiropractic manipulation might make your back problems better depending on what your problem is, fine. If you're saying it's anything more than that (as most practitioners do), then it definitely is smoke and mirrors.
stealthbadger 1 year ago
@ashstone503
you're clearly unfamiliar with penns work
brettcollierfoster 1 year ago
So I guess Osteopaths are ok to do spinal manipulation, or physical therapists, or even MD's who can take a weekend seminar and adjust without any certification what so ever? They all get a pass by Penn... Why don't you investigate the long term sucess rate of back surgery? I've met surgeons who admit back surgery doesn't work and they still do it! Dentists don't tell you fillings expand and will eventually crack your teeth.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 Amen! Finally someone with some intelligence!!!
chadhedges 1 year ago
@chadhedges
I got more....people have been doing spinal manipulation for thousands of years, like acupuncture it is one of the most performed procedures in the history of mankind since ancient China and Egypt. Risks of chiropractic are far exceeded by that of your typical over the counter drug like Ibuprofen hundreds if not thousands of times over.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@chadhedges Like it or not, unfortunately ALL health care is a business. And look who has the largest lobbying / union organization 2nd to the baseball players union in the U.S., the American Medical Association. Drugs have their place, but when the top killers in U.S. are diabetes, heart disease, obesity, smoking, infection, cancer, most of which can be prevented or cured by by diet, exercise, lifestyle changes, but we CHOOSE or are given drugs, it's wrong..But big PHARM wants it that way.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 You'll see that I have similar post on several Chiropractic videos on this site. You have brought up many valid and insightful facts. I am finishing up my undergraduate study's and plan on attending National University for Chiropractic medicine in the fall. This type of care is effective and needed!!!
chadhedges 1 year ago
@ashstone503 You are totally right. I just hate that a fat guy is bashing healthcare. If he had a massive heart attack tomorrow would anybody be surprised?
sodie61 1 year ago
chiroquack47 doesn't need me to bad mouth quackery....he is doing great on his own. A supposed physician who thinks spines get misaligned why..because of your own nervous system folks yep our own bodies create disorder,,,,,,,,,
lerxt46 1 year ago
let us not forget. A 2.5 gpa to go into quackery and get a nice diploma to hang in the outhouse saying you are a Dr. ....Not a real one but a quack one.yellow feathers and bill optional.
lerxt46 1 year ago
@lerxt46 people always use the 2.5 gpa bullshit. YES FUCK FACE TO "GET IN" You don't "GET OUT" until five years later after learning just about every fact about the human body. And then you pass National Boards which are written by medical doctors, then you practice the greatest profession on earth. Like looking at an symptom and trouble-shooting drugs is hard. I tell you what have a M.D. adjust 10 people and have a Chiro identify what is wrong with 10 people and see what happens FUCKER
sodie61 1 year ago
@sodie61 Here I thought chiropractic had at most a 4 year program... maybe it took you 5.
Just out of curiosity, how many years of post graduate training did you have to do before you could sit for your boards?
How come chiros have the highest default rate on student loans by far over any other profession?
How many chiro graduates "fail at practice" within the first few years after graduation?
Sounds like practicing "the greatest profession on earth" isnt everything its cracked up to be...
drsoandso 1 year ago
@drsoandso Answer to your questions to Sodie61 - It is 4 years, usually condensed into 3.5 years, 37 class hours per weekm usually studying 13 different subjects. It is unnecessarily difficult and not condusive to learning but merely massive memorization in my opinion.
No post grad training, we practice right away, unless we want to specialize.
Student loan default rate is based on info from the 1980's till about 1993, as far as I can tell.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@drsoandso Graduates fail at practice because because student debt is too high, they have NO business experience and little options at other jobs like miltary, hospital work etc. And many open up with high overhead in private practice, so 2K per month in student loans and 2500 in overhead. They cant survive unless they over treat people. I keep my overhead low, 500 bucks a month, and practice just fine. MD's are looking for a good chiropractor that is ethical, evidence based to refer to.
ashstone503 1 year ago
@ashstone503 "evidence based" chiropractor is practically to an oxymoron... IS there "evidence" that spinal subluxation is at the core of 95% of human "dis-ease" as Palmer claimed?
I sometimes think that you guys (and gals) must have to look at yourselfs in a mirror long and hard every morning, telling yourselves that your not crazy as hell for believing what you do about the fundamental nature of human physiology... if you didnt then "ethics" would seem to dictate that you stop the con.
drsoandso 1 year ago
hey folks here is some more queeropactic quackery. Check put NUCCA technique. They touch the atlas vertebrae and magically allign your spine, the quack uses his magic healing force to align your back. However , you have to have it done every week to keep the 'alignment' in place. HO HO HO...quackery now folks , stay tuned for more to come!
lerxt46 1 year ago
@lerxt46 Nucca does move C1 clown. The University of Chicago Hypertension Center discovered how NUCCA lowers BP without drugs. NUCCA is one of the better techniques. Just cause you have a small dick doesn't mean you should bash. Blame your dad, he gave you baby dick....Hhahaaaahahah
sodie61 1 year ago
@sodie61 That little study demonstrated that your C1 "adjustment" lowered BP marginally, comperable to a low dose generic Rx. Lets think here... an Rx you can get a WalMart for $4 a month paying cash or a series of neck adjustments that has to be repeated ad nauseum? Have those results even been reproduced in any study with any statistical power? Do you even know what that is?
Does your state board know what a charming little potty mouth you are? Your a real credit to your profession arent you!
drsoandso 1 year ago
2.5GPA for classes in quackery chorpractic. I dont think you even need a license to sell magnets or herbs. DB palmer did that too. before he got run over by his kid..too bad. Diplacement of lumbar vertabrae menas you will get Diptheria..would you believe it? ...the quacks do
lerxt46 1 year ago
@lerxt46 Is this your full time job, writing in and telling everyone how much you dislike chiropractic? Have you been kicked out of a chiropractic college ? Or perhaps you really don't have a life and are angry at your failure to make anything of yourself? We receive referrals from Md's, DO's and others frequently. We all have good working relationships and respect each others opinions. It is too bad you live in such a negative atmosphere.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 because chiropractors make all kinds of false promises and offer treatment packages that do nothing. I have experienced first hand.
lifeson46 1 year ago
@lifeson46 These types are embarrassing to the rest of our profession.
Most of us are not like that at all in our recommendations. I do not sell packages of treatments and handle patients a week or two at a time. There are too many unknowns to actually know how long it will take to solve individual problems. Keep looking, you will find a decent one.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@lifeson46 I would guess that these unscrupulous docs attended one or another of various get rich quick seminars that taught them how to fleece these people and make lots of money. I have seen it for years and have even attended such seminars ....It never rubbed off on me though. Unfortunately I hear these stories often. This is not what they were taught in school.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 i'm sorry if you are offended but i have worked for 3 unscrupulous chiropractors in the past. I couldn't get over the fact that they only seemed interested in getting people in the door, carcking them and getting them out. I worked as a massage therapist for them. I am trained in deep tissue massage, myofsacial release, cranial sacral techiniques and have some training in soft tissue work from an old school D.O.
lifeson46 1 year ago
@lifeson46 We have a clinic a few blocks from my own that follows the same philosophy as the ones you describe. Too bad for all of us! We can only try to undo what they have taught the public about our profession.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 well as i think I may have told you once before, I personally had more pain relief with an old school D.O. than the local chiropractor. My instructor at massage school was a chiro, a L.M.T., and a N.D. He taught an amazing class but even he did say that chiropractic can't really work as well for a recent injury as other soft tissue modalities. I worked for the type you described that were always going to these God awful practice building seminars. I hated them
lifeson46 1 year ago
@lifeson46 We employ a number of treatments in addition to chiropractic adjusting.
It is important to apply what the patient needs at the moment. With auto injuries, I usually wait until the initial inflammation subsides to adjust , but we will apply some healing therapies like ultrasound, or low level laser to reduce swelling for a few days.
We also use a lot of myofascial release for adhesions in the soft tissues.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
2.5 gpa...thats all you need to go to quack classes...and mommy and pappy to pay for it. Of course you can get a loan which will go into default. 2.5 gpa..thats why Brits woant accept them as legit Dr's
lerxt46 1 year ago
@lerxt46 While this may be true at some institutions it is not so at all of them.
Incidentally, the majority of the chiropractic students I teach have at least a
Bachelors degree and a number have Masters.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 If you are treating people with the intent of actually helping and not just making money, like that chiro47 guy thats fine. You seem like a gentleman unlike the a fore mentioned guy. I see you practice karate too. i studied shoryn ru karate, aikido, some brazilian ju jitsu and some mma. I also did some classes with a practitioner of Burmese stick fighting.
lifeson46 1 year ago
@lifeson46 I was in karate long before I even thought about chiropractic. I was actually teaching karate to a chiropractor when I became interested in his profession. After he treated me for some karate related neck and back problems, I decided to follow his footsteps and become a chiropractor. He was a real healer .
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 have you heard of a treatment called Rolfing? what are your thoughts on it? also cranial sacral therapy? I have had both performed and was amazed at what it can do. I practiced Shoryn Ryu for several years and then switched too MMA/Street boxing. I got mt green belt in katrate but I got tired of having to do kata's over again. With the street boxing we did more sparing and heavybag workouts.
lifeson46 1 year ago
@lifeson46 Rolfing is great ! I had about a dozen sessions back in the mid 90's, and it was amazing...The Rolfer and I traded treatments regularly then. They do good work, and it is a great adjunct to chiropractic....they both enhance each other.
Cranial Sacral....our chiropractic version is S>O>T or Sacro-Occipital technique and has been a part of chiropractic for many decades....we learned it in school over 30 years ago.....I integrate it into what I do in my office.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 Having been in this profession for well over 30 years and having taught at a chiropractic school, I have learned that you influence more people with a little honey than you do with vinegar....I will stick with diplomacy and open mindedness. I do not have a high volume practice like you because I do much more and because of that, people do not have to keep coming to me month after month....I am quite happy with just doing a good job and enjoying what I do.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 thank you.Chiro47 like to yell and let everyone know he has bought a jag and sees 500 patients a week. I see on average mabye5-6 people a day and spend at least an hour and a half with them. Sometimes longer. I dont have a jag. Don't want one. I am in the process of deciding on further Education and Rolfing is one thing I a m thinking of. I learned some cranial techniques from outr D.O.
lifeson46 1 year ago
@lifeson46 Rolfing is not a quick thing to become certified in I guess but it is worth it. Don't you have to go to Colorado to learn it? For a body worker, 5 or 6 people a day is plenty. It is exhausting work.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 Yes Boulde Colo, but I think I may be able to take classes somewhat nearer to where I live. Did you experience any kind of emotional release when you recieved treatments? I have been searching for years to find the emotional link with body work.
lifeson46 1 year ago
@lifeson46 In 12 sessions , I did not experience any emotional release....but I rarely if ever do. I did experience an overall sence of well being and better control of all muscles afterwards. The Rolfer and I co-treated a number of patients on the same day to see how they would respond. They all stated that they never had a better treatment before. So, combined, they work very well.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
chripractic stroke awareness group good people. CSAG check it out.
lerxt46 1 year ago
@lerxt46 Your a good person too. Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
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lerxt46 1 year ago
body by god and maximized living..CHRIPRACTIC SCAM. ARSE KICKED CHIRO
lerxt46 1 year ago
@lerxt46 You amazed by Lerners' Body by God? Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 What does chiropractic now mean? You make us look like adolescents with your rantings and ravings. Calm down.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 Fortunately you're dealing with "lifeson46". Wait till you deal with the other trash shills on this vid. I originally took "your" chivalarious democratic demeanure. This shortly fell out of favor due to the desparaging remarks and attacks from the shills. I never attended a practice management seminar to grow my 500+ office. Toughen up Ronin6575, you'll need it. ADIO!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Many of the people who write in here and gripe about chiropractic probably have legitimate complaints...they may have been to an unscrupulous crook who had them come in for visits 3 times a week for a year ( some do that ).
Or they may have had an injury....( not always the fault of the chiro, but sometimes it is )....Why tell them they are just prejudiced? Why not find out what they are thinking and not over react to them. Calling names does not win a debate.
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 LOL! So if they feel they were duped or injured by a chiropractic doctor then why didn't thy go to another? When someones loved one is injured or dies under the hands of an MD they go to another. Chiropractic rehabilitates the spine, like completing a school subject, requires repetition. Then it is safe to assume that people hate physical therapists too...they require the patient to assume a simialr careplan. You made no sense. Penn still sucks and we want Chiropractic Now!
chiropractic47 1 year ago
@chiropractic47 Here is where you need to understand the psychology of pain and human nature in general. Many people just assume that if one chiro is bad, they all are. It is a fear factor. They are simply afraid of being hurt. From the way you react to anyone who doesn't agree with you, I believe you are over reacting to other people's opinions. You seem like those whacky street preachers in big cities who shout out: Repent now or go to the devil!
Ronin6575 1 year ago
@Ronin6575 "You seem like those whacky street preachers in big cities who shout out: Repent now or go to the devil!" Man! You just described Penn and the asshole anti-chiro posters of this video...to the tee? I hope you don't spend too much time playing tea party with the jerk-offs you believe are potential converts. Your a chiropractic doctor Ronin6575! Your buddies here hate while pretending to accept you.
chiropractic47 1 year ago