Your Eminence, have you ever heard about Project Bluebeam ?
I was going to mention this, because we read in Revelation 13:14 about many magnificent wonders, that perfectly blend in with the false theosophic pseudo New Age Religion ( promoted by the UN )
It has many different sub-components, and one of them is to introduce false archaeologic and palaeo-logic claims and falsify ( replace ) historic studies with false doctrines ( such as, that humans where breeded by extraterrestials )
When we read about "signs and wonders" in the sky. Stop and think about the purely man-made "wonders" that have and are coming. Imagine what kind of threat nuclear weapons in orbit around the earth will pose to mankind, and yet governments are working to achieve this. We hardly need "extraterrestials" to teach us how to be destructive. We can have our own manmade "stars" falling from heaven and causing destruction. Man, not God, is the cause of his own catastrophes. Alas, we do not listen to Him
@allymetoo Well, there are many aspects of the Book of Rev. that are manifest to us. For example,. note that a third of the fresh and sea waters are becoming toxic and dead, that the same is happening to the atmosphere. This is all clearly forecast in the Book of Rev. Whoever has ears to hear and eyes to see, let them pay attention.
Dude, you're awesome. You've got the look. Can I bring you to the club with me? I would like to introduce you to my friends. Do you ever make it to South Beach?
Don't know if I replied to you or not. I haven't been anywhere in S.F. since Ginsburg was reading poetry and Kerouac was being incomprehensible, in coffee houses. In retrospect, they really did not have that much to say.
Any bishop or priest who rejects scientific creation and endorses evolution in anyway, is a worlf in sheeps clothing. He is also not abreast with where modern science is and how it favors creationism. Message me and I will give an extensive list of books by notable scientists on creation science. Evolution is a lie.
I have read the repertoir of literature on the fraud of scientific creationism. No one can doubt that the universe and mankind are the willful, intentional creation of God, and that Jesus Christ is "the word, the wisdom and the power of God Who creates and sustains all things." I am sorry that your faith is too weak to cope with the truth and reality.
Thank you for clarifying your position and exposing some of the presuppositions latent in my own viewpoint.
It appears that I must reconsider from an Orthodox standpoint:
1) That death and sin are inextricably related; the latter being a necessary cause of the former. If this is a fallacious relation, then it would certainly be wrong to assume sin precipitated the death of dinosaurs.
2) What the ramifications of the incarnation and resurrection are for the broader creation.
Such being the different senses of the word beginning, see if we have not all the meanings here. You may know the epoch when the formation of this world began, it ascending into the past you endeavour to discover the first day. You will thus find what was the first movement of time; then that the creation of the heavens and of the earth were like the foundation and the groundwork, and afterwards that an intelligent reason, as the word beginning indicates, presided in the order of visible things.
Thank you for replying to my comment. It appears that what I wrote may have been taken as argumentative or contentious. If this was the case, please forgive, as it was inadvertent. I wish to understand your position.
First, I wholeheartedly agree that man is immortal by grace, and not by nature. Secondly, I do not believe death in any way originates from God as a punishment for man's sin. I believe that God is the source of all being, and that death is separation from that source by sin.
God did not tell Adam "if you eat I will kill you," but made the simple statement of reality: if you separate yourself from me, you will surly die. He tells us that He alone is the source of our life. Christ also did not die on the Cross to redeem and give salvation to dinosaurs. The argument about animals dieing before human sin really is a sophism and a misunderstanding of man's relationship with God.
To continue: you can argue that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time, but it is simply a falsehood. Arguing that is like whistling past the graveyard because you believe in ghosts. The fact that dinosaurs were extinct millenia before the creation of man is not simply an opinion, but a well proved and well demonstrated reality. If it troubles your faith in God, then it is your faith that needs to be re-examined, not the reality. Mortality relates to all creation, death to man.
Thank you for the videos -- I have found them incisive and informative.
Concerning the topic of theistic evolution; the framework you appear to subscribe to has the dinosaurs dying prior to the existence of humankind in the image of God. In light of this, and the Orthodox view of death and sin, could you provide your take on how death precedes human sin?
Philokalia: I fear that you have offered only a sophism. Man is not immortal by nature, but by grace. To be immortal one must be a human being and receive this as a gift of grace. Why on earth would you surmise that dinosaurs are immortal by grace? Or did you think that they were immortal my nature?One of the falacies in your argument appears to be that you think that death was a punishment by God for man's sin. This is not Orthodox. Death occured for man because man became separated from God.
what do you think about the morale law? why do we have morales? if it can be explained by evolution what will this do to our idea of God?
jkgaliano 1 year ago
Take a look, also at the movie:
Jurassic Park ( where the parallel existence of Dinosaurs and Humans gets introduced to our children)
Hope, I didn't confuse the discussion too much.
allymetoo 3 years ago
Your Eminence, have you ever heard about Project Bluebeam ?
I was going to mention this, because we read in Revelation 13:14 about many magnificent wonders, that perfectly blend in with the false theosophic pseudo New Age Religion ( promoted by the UN )
It has many different sub-components, and one of them is to introduce false archaeologic and palaeo-logic claims and falsify ( replace ) historic studies with false doctrines ( such as, that humans where breeded by extraterrestials )
allymetoo 3 years ago
When we read about "signs and wonders" in the sky. Stop and think about the purely man-made "wonders" that have and are coming. Imagine what kind of threat nuclear weapons in orbit around the earth will pose to mankind, and yet governments are working to achieve this. We hardly need "extraterrestials" to teach us how to be destructive. We can have our own manmade "stars" falling from heaven and causing destruction. Man, not God, is the cause of his own catastrophes. Alas, we do not listen to Him
allsaintsmonastery 3 years ago
I understand, what you say. Yes, they have a plan to destroy human life on Earth.
But they seem also have a plan ready, to have all those who are subservient ( and survive ) to their falsified doctrines under total control.
According to this, they would have their slave class at a population level of 500.000
They would not know about their origin, neither about Christianity, because they would be deprived from any cultural heritage, whatsoever.
According to scripture this is going to fail.
allymetoo 3 years ago
@allymetoo Well, there are many aspects of the Book of Rev. that are manifest to us. For example,. note that a third of the fresh and sea waters are becoming toxic and dead, that the same is happening to the atmosphere. This is all clearly forecast in the Book of Rev. Whoever has ears to hear and eyes to see, let them pay attention.
allsaintsmonastery 1 year ago
Dude, you're awesome. You've got the look. Can I bring you to the club with me? I would like to introduce you to my friends. Do you ever make it to South Beach?
FinsterFlummoxing 3 years ago
Don't know if I replied to you or not. I haven't been anywhere in S.F. since Ginsburg was reading poetry and Kerouac was being incomprehensible, in coffee houses. In retrospect, they really did not have that much to say.
allsaintsmonastery 3 years ago
Any bishop or priest who rejects scientific creation and endorses evolution in anyway, is a worlf in sheeps clothing. He is also not abreast with where modern science is and how it favors creationism. Message me and I will give an extensive list of books by notable scientists on creation science. Evolution is a lie.
GreekOrthodoxy 3 years ago
I have read the repertoir of literature on the fraud of scientific creationism. No one can doubt that the universe and mankind are the willful, intentional creation of God, and that Jesus Christ is "the word, the wisdom and the power of God Who creates and sustains all things." I am sorry that your faith is too weak to cope with the truth and reality.
allsaintsmonastery 3 years ago
Continuing...
Thank you for clarifying your position and exposing some of the presuppositions latent in my own viewpoint.
It appears that I must reconsider from an Orthodox standpoint:
1) That death and sin are inextricably related; the latter being a necessary cause of the former. If this is a fallacious relation, then it would certainly be wrong to assume sin precipitated the death of dinosaurs.
2) What the ramifications of the incarnation and resurrection are for the broader creation.
Phil0kalia 3 years ago
Such being the different senses of the word beginning, see if we have not all the meanings here. You may know the epoch when the formation of this world began, it ascending into the past you endeavour to discover the first day. You will thus find what was the first movement of time; then that the creation of the heavens and of the earth were like the foundation and the groundwork, and afterwards that an intelligent reason, as the word beginning indicates, presided in the order of visible things.
OrthodoxEnoch 3 years ago
Thank you for replying to my comment. It appears that what I wrote may have been taken as argumentative or contentious. If this was the case, please forgive, as it was inadvertent. I wish to understand your position.
First, I wholeheartedly agree that man is immortal by grace, and not by nature. Secondly, I do not believe death in any way originates from God as a punishment for man's sin. I believe that God is the source of all being, and that death is separation from that source by sin.
Phil0kalia 3 years ago
God did not tell Adam "if you eat I will kill you," but made the simple statement of reality: if you separate yourself from me, you will surly die. He tells us that He alone is the source of our life. Christ also did not die on the Cross to redeem and give salvation to dinosaurs. The argument about animals dieing before human sin really is a sophism and a misunderstanding of man's relationship with God.
allsaintsmonastery 3 years ago
To continue: you can argue that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time, but it is simply a falsehood. Arguing that is like whistling past the graveyard because you believe in ghosts. The fact that dinosaurs were extinct millenia before the creation of man is not simply an opinion, but a well proved and well demonstrated reality. If it troubles your faith in God, then it is your faith that needs to be re-examined, not the reality. Mortality relates to all creation, death to man.
allsaintsmonastery 3 years ago
Dear All Saints Monastery,
Thank you for the videos -- I have found them incisive and informative.
Concerning the topic of theistic evolution; the framework you appear to subscribe to has the dinosaurs dying prior to the existence of humankind in the image of God. In light of this, and the Orthodox view of death and sin, could you provide your take on how death precedes human sin?
Thank you
Phil0kalia 3 years ago
Philokalia: I fear that you have offered only a sophism. Man is not immortal by nature, but by grace. To be immortal one must be a human being and receive this as a gift of grace. Why on earth would you surmise that dinosaurs are immortal by grace? Or did you think that they were immortal my nature?One of the falacies in your argument appears to be that you think that death was a punishment by God for man's sin. This is not Orthodox. Death occured for man because man became separated from God.
allsaintsmonastery 3 years ago