"Homosexuality was originally listed in the DSM, but was removed when the American Psychiatric Association officially claimed that "homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities""
If they can do the job just as well as anybody else then why fire them?
i agree the employer should get to decide who works for him not the gov. its what freedom is about, maybe when that employer needs someone real bad the homo- wont work for him.
There is nothing wrong with a business owner running and hiring people on their own moral basis. If they want to fire good workers for being something he isn't then it is his business that is being rotted out.
There is a lot wrong with a business owner running and hiring people based on their own moral basis. Its called discrimination. How about divorcees and the girls in the business that get abortions? Why arent they publicly dismissed? Its all discrimination.
I think that if they fire someone on certain grounds, say on a moral disagreement, then it shouldn't be a mystery to the now ex-worker. Is it wrong to not hire a KKK member if you run a business that is nonracist?
u should move to europe... do ppl overthere know how bad it as got?.. europe is literally in shock at how backwards America has become all this creationism evangelical insanity, all the homophobia, all the iggnorance,blind patriotism, fear mongering, its totally crazy.. i cant belive these ppl get listened to and are influencing the direction of the worlds largest economy.. are ppl unable to see that the country has been hijacked by arseholes?? GOD HELP YOU!!
don't be a condescending dickhead, please. anyway, most people deep down know how fucked up half of the electorate is and how shitty these candidates are.
Legalized job discrimination on the basis of (perceived) sexual orientation. Ineresting. What next, Gov. Thompson? Seperate but equal schools for children, based on their (perceived) sexual orientation? This is 2008, not the 1930s. Running for public office with outdated standards of government sanctioned bigotry is a death bow to any campaign. You picked the wrong door, Gov. Thompson! You've sold out to the wrong bidder!
you know good and well it's not the same thing. besides, 90% of fortune 500's(including my former employer) already have sick anus yearning as a protected status. you want to force small businesses to accept your sexual perversion against their own will. sounds pretty nazi-esque to me. you are more like a nazi than anyone, because you want all opposition silenced.
No they dont, just those "scientists" with an agenda and plenty of satanist controlled media attention. Homosexuality is a choice: the wrong one. You have chosen to believe the propaganda because it suits your desired belief, now you are a vector of that mind cancer.
No you idiot. If psychologists were corrupt they would certainly be saying homosexuality is a choice and a mental illness. They'd certainly have plenty of support in the uneducated conservative community and they'd be raking in millions treating it. Immoral people committing adultery is much more common than homosexuality yet the psych community isn't trying to claim adultery is normal. Why? Read some books on homosexuality and maybe you'll figure it out.
the darkness cannot percieve the light. True CHRISTianity is not supported by the establishment, only fake watered down "CHRISTianity" for the most part the atheists and pagans hold sway. No kid, who is not exposed to the idea of homosexuality or sexuality and has regular contact with members of both sex their age will just suddenly turn to buggery.
No kid, who is not exposed to the idea of homosexuality or sexuality and has regular contact with members of both sex their age will just suddenly turn to buggery.
That's such a lie. I wasn't exposed to homosexuality. When puberty came though I found I was attracted to the same sex and not the opposite sex and tried desperately through prayer and work to change it for 10 years - but sexuality can't be changed. And no, there's no identifiable cause of it.
You are in an enormous amount of spiritual danger and I have said more than enough, I don't know if you can be saved, I hope you can, but it will take a (repentant) move towards GOD on your part to find out. I hope that you aren't damned but if you are, then I hope that you convince as few people of the lies you have chosen to believe as possible
You should look at studies of identical twins raised separately from birth. They're very clear cut and completely contradict your dumb theory. If one twin is gay, the other has an over 50% liklihood of being gay. If it was a choice or from the environment like you suggest, the chance of the other twin being gay would only be 5% like the rest of the population. We've known this for years and it's been repeated in many studies.
Sexuality is a genetic characteristic with a high penetrance. Multiple Schlerosis has a lower penetrance. If one twin develops MS the other identical twin only has a 25% chance of developing MS. And MS certainly isn't a choice and certainly isn't a result of environment or upbringing. Stop spreading your myths. They just hurt people.
Psychologists are often corrupted not only by the doctrine of psychology, which was written for them by satanists and also by their own sinful leanings. But I know I cannot convince you, only GOD can and if he already has and you have turned from it, may GOD have mercy on you.
Yeah, there is no such thing as satanist, and they never had any connection to the government, the birth of psychology, the department of education, the foundation and use of asylums, pharmakia, social engeneering, uegenics, same sex marriage, ect. ect.
You are wacko. Your literal faith requires you to see the world in those terms. You see the glass as half empty, not half full. The age of consent in many US states in 1900 was TEN years old. Probably because your bible doesn't address child molestation at all. Biblically, and adult can marry an infant without violating scripture. How sad is that?
Thin because you conjecture that since the Scriptures do not specifically address every warped scenario you can imagine, therefore it is wrong and we are free to indulge our wickedness and make up our own "gospels".
No, we aren't 'free to induldge our wickedness' but we can actually live a positive productive life based on a God that truly is Omnipotent, just and righteous, doing what's right simply because it's right instead of out of fear of where we'll spend eternity. Stop imagining God operates on such a low level with such an ancient and immoral belief system. Do what's right because it's right, not because of fear.
The GOD that existed before you, is the omnipotent, just and righteous GOD. Not the one you made up that accepts only your ideas about what is and is not right. GOD operates on fairness and love, but if people are not high minded enough to respond to it, they get fear, and if they are lucky, their fear will motivate their repentance, but if not, then they just get their dues. GOD will not conform to you, you must conform to HIM.
No, a God who drowned the pre-Noah children, firebombed the children in Sodom and Gomorrah, and then had Moses' army slice the Midanite children in half and reward themselves with the surviving virgins - no, I don't think that describes an Omnipotent God, just a limited and immoral God most likely created by man. And even if he is the real God - I wouldn't worship an Omnipotent being that couldn't do any better than that.
That is because you have done what satan wants us all to do: to exalt ourselves and our own knowledge above that of the true GOD. GOD knows best, even when we don't understand it, and there is nessecity of consequenses because consequenses and meaning go hand in hand.
That's just an excuse to worship an immoral God out of fear. I'd be more afraid that God, being Omnipotent, is actually moral and gave us brains and hearts to know what's right and wrong - and that I might pay the price for worshipping a false God that murders children and believing that's okay.
So because you don't understand GOD's reasoning in bringing judgemment and since you resent the idea of consequences for activities you indulge in and condone, you have made yourself wiser than GOD in your own eyes and constructed your idol in your own image. It amazes me how intelegence can so well avoid wisdom.
It amazes me how intelegence can so well avoid wisdom.
The true God who saved my life stands up to questions involving morality. Yours doesn't even though if he is God, he should. Why wouldn't he? Is he trying to trick you? I'll stick with mine.
But psychologists have provided plenty of clinical research, especially in the last few decades, to show that children as old as 17 can be seriously harmed by relationships with adults. This has been used as testimony in supporting legislation that has raised the age of consent to 18 in many states - but you ignore that - the glass is getting emptier in your view.
We also have a history of slavery in this country that wouldn't have existed if your God provided scripture saying "No man shall own another man. It is an abomination." But that was just too complicated. Instead we see in Exodus 21:20, it's not just okay to own slaves but one can beat them severely. Many new testament scriptures mention slavery - telling slaves to obey their earthly masters. But we've gotten past this. Yet you see the glass getting emptier.
Your comprehension is very limited. Slavery is either a punishment or a voluntary condition, the master who owned slaves was sometimes evil for it and other times not. See the missing piece of the equasion in your understanding, is that there IS a LIVING GOD to guide us, to teach us what is right for each specific situation and to bring full understanding.
No, it clearly says in Leviticus that slaves could be purchased from neighboring tribes. It wasn't voluntary. And it clearly says slaves can be severely beaten as a punishment - so severely that it's okay even if they can't pick themselves up off the ground for two days because they are your 'property'. This would have been prosecutable in US slavery.
No, the LIVING GOD said, if you dont obey ME you will surely go into slavery. Also HE said that that a man may voluntarily serve another if he wishes.
So your statement about "never" owning someone is rhetorical and your attempt to usurp the real truth with your own sensibilities.
Also HE said that that a man may voluntarily serve another if he wishes.
That's insane. What scripture says that? Voluntarily serve as a slave. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? You might as well say people could voluntarily submit to being prisoners. It makes no sense. If you're a prisoner or a slave there's nothing voluntary about it.
I voluntarily serve the LORD and would be a slave to a fair and rightious commander who shared my tastes, I would find it enjoyable employment. That is the nature of a soldier. Your thinking is very limited and clouded.
But it wouldn't be employment. It would be slavery. If you changed your mind or something about your employer changed that wasn't to your liking you'd be forced to just deal with it. The ideal lesson for you I guess would be to sell yourself into slavery to a slavemaster you liked and then have him come out as gay a few months later.
Turns out you got along well initially because he was a bigot who hated gays really because he hated his own homosexuality - but he came to terms with it and now you're stuck with him. Good lesson for you.
Leviticus 25:44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
No, it doesn't say you may accept slaves who volunteer to become slaves - which wouldn't make any sense anyway unless you're just nuts.
Like I said, slavery can be a punishment or voluntary. Those people rejected GOD and then became the Israelites slaves as a punishment, which actually turned out better for them anyway. You dont know what you are talking about.
The Deuteronomy verse is about someone who was already a slave volunteering to continue in slavery most likely because they're afraid of trying to make it on their own now that they have a slave mentality. You see the same with prisoners who get out and commit a crime so they can immediatly go back, have 3 meals a day, no bills to pay, someone to make them get up in the morning. But is that a good thing? LOL. Is that Godly? LOL. No.
Voluntary is voluntary, the other verse was about a bussiness arangment and then there is voluntary servitude such as choosing to serve the sensei until one has achieved mastery, you are so focused on trying to justify your position you are missing much.
The Leviticus verse implies that when someone is so poor that their choice is sell themselves into slavery or starve to death, they can sell themselves. It also differentiates between slaves and hired workers. And it in no way takes away from the fact that slaves could be bought from neighboring clans selling people forced into slavery.
Let's say, I own a bussiness and a gay comes to me and wants a job, now my disposition is such that I would probably talk to him about the scriptures and if he rejected them, I would give him something to help him on his way to the next destination and turn him away.
Suddenly I have gun toting jackboots violating my private property, threatening santions, torts and slander if I dont hire the unrepentant wretch. Now tell me that we have gotten over slavery with your little socialist/humanist utopia.
P.s. I would go out of bussiness and move away rather than ever be forced to hire someone i didnt want to.
Well it depends on your business. I'm sure if you have a small business with only a few employees and you suspect (or he tells you) an interviewee is gay, you can hire the next person instead and you most likely won't run into any problems. It's discrimination but it's pretty hard to prove on a small scale.
I hire people and when I do I have on the application that they shouldn't have a problem working with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, straights, gays, bisexuals, transgendered, blacks, hispanics, whites, democrats, republicans - so that they know up front I'm not discriminating and if they're the discriminating type they can go elsewhere. I also follow it up with a paragraph on sexual harassment not being tolerated in the workplace so that is crystal clear.
LOL!! That is a form of discrimination in itself, you are just as discriminitory and for religious reasons too, they must accept your satanic 'everythings okay' religion or they are out. I applaud your initiative to discriminate, but you are using it the opposite way you should.
No, I never claimed that they have to accept my 'everything's okay' religion. They just have to be able to work with people who have different beliefs than they do.
That is saying to disobey their religion, because the idea that "they shouldn't have a problem working with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, straights, gays, bisexuals, transgendered, blacks, hispanics, whites, democrats, republicans" does violate our morals. Of course I have a problem working (seeing, hearing, knowing, ect) gays, bisexuals, transgendered and democrats those are tenets of my faith. The GODless are just as discriminatory and more, they just sugar coat it.
No, I actually know plenty of Christians that have no problem working with homosexuals. It doesn't influence their belief that homosexuality is wrong and there's nothing in the bible that says they can't work together. In fact, many use Jesus' associations with tax collectors and prostitutes as an example of how they should offer THEIR example to unbelievers. They can't offer an example at all if they refuse to be around them.
Seeing such evil? That's insane. Are you saying you think a homosexual is going have gay sex in the workplace and force everyone to watch? Now that would be evil.
We are to be the light of the world through love and reason, but do we have a "problem" with the unrepentant? Of course, and their deeds and speech are ever offensive.
We are to be the light of the world through love and reason, but do we have a "problem" with the unrepentant? Of course, and their deeds and speech are ever offensive.
The Bible also says you are to approach all other men with humility, as if they are better than you. How does that scripture fit in with your ideas?
You dont understand what it means, I must not feel comfortable with peoples evil, regardless of whether I am to be selfless on their behalf.
P.s. I don't have to actually believe that others are better than me after they have shown their true colors, but I am to remain honest, benevolent and humble but unlike the world thinks, humble doesn't mean dishonest, tolerant of sin or "politically correct".
How does "Ye who have not sinned cast the first stone" fit in? Were the ones holding the stones all prostitutes? No, their sins weren't considered to be relatively better or worse than the prostitute. They were all sinners, period. And supposedly people all still are.
We have all sinned and fell short of the glory of GOD but we are called to repent, not to keep on doing it and telling the truth about sin, such as the MASTER JESUS did, is not throwing stones, so go and sin no more.
guardian, believe it or not i semi-agree with you on this one. you know my opinion on sodomy, but i work with a few sodomites and as long as they keep it to themselves it doesn't bother me. i just think that if a small family business like a daycare or something doesn't want to hire sodomites they shouldn't be forced by big brother to do so, just like a sodo nightclub shouldn't be forced to hire fundamentalist christians like myself. i think big brother should leave folks alone.
And you don't think Hooters should be required to hire flat chested women?
LOL.
Yeah. I think we agree on this one more than disagree, because honestly if we invoke Christian philosophies, a homosexual in your workplace might see you as a highly realized being and think that you have some spiritual answers that he or she wants.
i've worked with many homosexuals, and i've never treated them any differently than i would treat anyone else. i do believe in treating others the way i would like to be treated. although i think that businesses should be allowed to hire and fire as they choose and run themselves as they see fit, harrassment, violence, intimidation, etc should never be tolerated for any reason.
"Being a sex pervert is not the same as having a certain skin tone. Sorry to deflate your moronic argument with such ease"
I'm sorry, but being homosexual makes you "a sex pervert"?
Besides, you think that buisnesses should be able to fire somebody based on their own hatred, so you have no right to throw the word "moronic" at anybody.
So we agree on abortion and this. I'm anti-gun control though I own no guns. I'm trying to come to terms with some Libertarian tendencies ;) - oh except my abortion stance - that's not even Libertarian.
i don't like the idea of a ruling aristocratic elite telling me what i'm allowed to say, think, teach my kids, etc. america seems to have gotten away from the idea of self-determination and self reliance, and it seems that dems and reps both want government to solve all of our problems for us. i do think that society should have a standard of decency, but that is ultimately something govt is unable to control.
i am originally from denton (you're clever to figure out the origins of my username, most people have no idea what it means), but i've been in austin for about 5 years. i don't see any reason to vote for the county offices here, the candidates seem all the same to me.
I'm from south of Tulsa - which is why I figured out what your username meant. Well and because I used to talk online to a guy that went to school in Denton who I never chose to meet because he was obviously fairly insane, lol. I think in our second conversation he was asking me what my definition of love was and if I felt that way about him. I was like - What? I don't even know you, lol.
Anyway, Obama at least represents the most likely source of change because of his promise to have absolutely no ties or even connections to Washington lobbyists. The other candidates don't offer that. And change, whether it leads to benefit or disaster, usually means progress in the big picture. Register as a Dem if it's not too late and go vote for progress. ;) My pitch, lol.
so you're saying that people who live in hispanic countries and have last names like lopez or ramirez should change their name because we happen to not live mexico or central america? obama was born in hawaii, for god's sake.
we aren't at war with mexico or other latin american countries. we ARE at war with islamic fanatics. it would be like, if during ww2, a guy who happened to be named fritz schnitzenschein ran for president. as i said, i don't oppose him because of his muslim name. i oppose him because of his socialist, anti-christian, anti-american views. however, a clear thinking person should admit that his name/background does bear some relevance.
its a huge "duh" that he's american born. the constitution requires that a president be born in the US. if you knew anything about your candidate, you would know that he was raised partly overseas, and even attended a muslim school in indonesia, a country known for radical islam. do i think he's a radical islamist? no. but if you think that people in the south and midwest, where elections are typically decided, won't think about that come november than you are insane.
well considering obama won over hilary in the majority of the southern and many of the midwest democratic primaries, i don't think that's much of a concern. yes, he was raised in indonesia - his mother worked at the u.s. embassy in jakarta. obama attended two primary schools while in indonesia - both a catholic school and a muslim school. he is neither.
the democratic primaries in those states mean nada for november. the south and the midwest have consistently voted republican for the past 40 yrs. that's part of the reason why only 2 presidents have been democrats since 1968. we live in a fairly conservative nation. the only way a democrat can win in those states is by being able to connect with traditional american values. obama doesn't stand a chance with his islamic background and radical liberal views.
did you see the debate last week between him and hitler-ly? he obviously lost. i'm not biased against him either, because i would prefer him over the wicked witch of the west wing. even hillary subtly questioned his patriotism. then there's his connection to a 60's radical who bragged about setting off bombs as part of the Weathermen. plus his pastor. add all these things plus his islamic middle name and you get president mccain in january next year.
lol of course. the pastor. what i find funny is, how often have conservative, dominionist preachers said that america is to blame for (insert natural disaster here)? that god is punishing us because we don't stone the gays or because feminists are allowed to talk or because liberals aren't ashamed? and how often has the media crucified not only the pastor, but the candidates that embrace them?
the only pastors i can think of who have made similar remarks are fred phelps and jerry falwell, both of whom were trashed by the media. obama's pastor admits to being an admirer of louis farrhakan, who has said things such as "white people are the devil" and "hitler was a great man for germany". most americans feel that sodomy is immoral, that is far different from saying "God damn america".
phelps shouldn't even be considered a pastor, all he wants is attention. falwell was "trashed" by liberal PUNDITS, i.e., olbermann, maher, etc. robertson and falwell and dobson and the like are largely ignored by the mainstream america. no, most americans don't feel that sodomy is immoral, you have yet to show me any statistics proving this ridiculous statement other than "because dentex says so." and obama DOES NOT HAVE AN ISLAMIC BACKGROUND. NONE. AT ALL.
the FACT that the majority of americans dissapprove of sodomy is shown by the FACT that in EVERY state where sodomite marriage was put to a vote, sodo-mock-marriage was soundly defeated, even in the more liberal states. so either every lib in america forgot to vote on those days, or you stand corrected. obama has an islamic middle name, went to islamic schools, his father and stepfather were muslim. that DOES qualify as a muslim background.
i'm not quite sure what issues i'm supposed to be addressing. the biggest issue that seems to be "hounding" obama is his supposedly racist pastor, which i did address. anyhow, there are many for why i support obama (though he wasn't my first pick), so i'll just list the bigger ones. hope ya don't mind reading!
obama is smart. he won't out of insecurity appoint cronies and yesmen to important positions around him. bush didn't pick grown-ups until it was too late into his presidency and clinton has too many favors from her husband's administration to return to make wise, considered appointments. i'm pretty confident that obama wouldn't hesitate even to name people he disagrees with to cabinet positions if he respects their accomplishments and thinks he did a good job.
obama also clearly inspires young people to be involved in politics. the supposed apathy of gen-X and gen-Y has worried older generations for a long time now. but obama is inspiring record numbers of young people to be involved and actually vote. the baby boomers may not be happy about losing power to a younger generation, but the change has to happen sometime, and it should happen by inspiration -- not by default.
obama has also shown a real commitment to open government. he stands against bad governing in his work against corruption from day one. he's sponsored legislation to restrict gifts to congress by industry representatives, which also carried a whole slew of anti-corruption measures. he's fought against vote fraud. he's been pushing for election and lobbying reform from the start, and in his campaign he's refused to take lobbyist money.
clinton, on the other hand, when questioned seems baffled that anyone would have a problem with what is by any reasonable standard bribery. her basic lack of integrity is troubling, and i think if she were to be elected president she would continue fighting to maintain the status quo. it's vital that we start the work of picking up the messes left by the irresponsible governance of the bush administration, and you don't get out of a mess with the same kind of thing that got you in.
anywho, the democratic party has had a long painful history of nominating unlikeable, uncharismatic "default" establishment candidates who are eventually cast aside by the voters. nominating clinton would, as stated earlier, be continuing that tradition at the very time when the dems have a chance to do so much better. that's why i support obama.
and of course, i agree with him on most issues - particularly that regarding terrorism, the environment, education and social issues.
by the way, there's a difference between believing that marriage is only meant for one man and one woman (which i strongly disagree with obviously) and blaming 9/11 on the gays and feminists. aduhh. i can show you many polls that prove most americans have no "problem" with homosexuals and think they deserve most rights barring marriage but you seem to think all statistics are made up unless they prove your viewpoints right. and sodomy =/= homosexuality. endofstory.
you can find jeremiah wright's full 9/11 speech in context (search "CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC & Fox News LIED about Pastor Jeremiah Wright" on google) by the way, if you're interested. needless to say, whoever's been screeching about it pretty obviously sliced it up so that it looked like wright meant to say things he decidedly did not
LMAO at you ha ha sodomites...your a fucken retard you should carry a turd in your wallet for identification...the romans had the right idea...kill every GOD DAMN one of you...fundamentalist my ass...is that PC for bigot? hmmm seems to be
I rationally and logically answer eveything you say but I am not discerning because I do not cave into the arguements you have honed on your own consience. The kettle calls the diamond black.
Because of the slavery and because of the Tower of Babel and because of Moses being afraid to consummate his marriage with his African wife (one of his many wives), we had Jerry Falwell leading the pack of fundie Christians and getting interracial marriage banned in 17 states in the 60s. But we've gotten past that as well - and no one even thinks these days about discriminating against mixed kids though that was the touted fear. Yet you see a world falling apart.
We also had strict divorce rules because of your bible. As a result many women remained with abusive husbands because they didn't want to violate scripture by asking for a divorce which would lead to a life alone since remarriage was forbidden. As a result, many died. Others just kept subjecting their kids to the toxic abusive loveless relationships. We've gotten past that.
There's a great new testament verse that says women shouldn't be trusted and should never be allowed to teach men because eve was the one deceived, not adam. Yet eve was deceived by a supernatural being and adam was just talked into eating the apple by his wife - certainly a greater violation. Yet women aren't to be trusted, lol, though men commit at least 80% of all crimes. But this is why women couldn't vote. They can now though and I'm sure God must be really pissed about women voting.
The American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the World Health Organization, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the Council on Child and Adolescent Health, the American Academy of Pediatrics and even the health ministries in Russia and China say homosexuality is not a mental disorder, isn't a choice, can't be changed and trying to change it is harmful.
Josephthelibertarian - Yeah, I am sure you are ok with this until an employer fires you for who and what you are! Let's see how you feel when the universe bring an experience like this to your door-steps and see how "liberal" you'd be about bigotry when you are the reason for it. The hole that you support for the burial of others, ALWAYS become the hole of your own! Remember that!
Damn right!!!! It is a private bussiness, they own it and may associate or not associate with whomsoever they choose!!! I would be forced to hire anyone and if I wish to end my proffessional relationship with anyone I may do so!!! The reason I do it doen't matter one bit!!! To hell with stupidity!!
In case anyone doesn't realize it, unless you have an employment contract or are a union member, your employment anywhere is 'at will'. Your employer can fire you for any reason or no reason at any time. They do not have to justify it by saying it is because you are gay, they can just do it.
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all religion is b.s. because it does not permit homosexual behavior? what an intolerant thing to say. homosexuals are like nazis: they want to force everyone to agree with them, and if not you will be demonized and even face legal penalties in some places. i thought you folks were all about diversity. you are, unless someone disagrees with you of course.
we aren't asking you to be gay, I'm not gay but I believe in gay rights. I have no problem with religion unless it tries to discriminate against people. That's what you're doing, so you're the nazi.
actually many high ranking nazi officials in germany were homosexuals, so your analogy is flawed. some historians even say that hitler himself was a closet homosexual, but that's not the point. i didn't want to debate anyone on the merits of anal lust. the point is that private property is PRIVATE, and you can hire or fire as you choose. would you hire a member of the church of satan to run a daycare center? would you hire a saudi to guard a nuclear bomb? if not you would be discriminating.
Throughout his life, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and a belief in Jesus Christ.[82] In his speeches and publications Hitler even spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice". - Baynes, N. (ed.) (1942).The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. London, Oxford University Press.
Between 5,000 and 15,000 gay men of German nationality are estimated to have died in concentration camps. - The Holocaust Chronicle, Publications International Ltd., p. 108.
James D. Steakley writes that what mattered in Germany was criminal intent or character, rather than criminal acts, and the "gesundes Volksempfinden" ("healthy sensibility of the people") became the leading normative legal principle. - Steakley, James. "Homosexuals and the Third Reich", The Body Politic, Issue 11, January/February 1974.
In 1936, Heinrich Himmler, Chief of the SS, created the "Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion." Homosexuality was declared contrary to "wholesome popular sentiment," and gay men were regarded as "defilers of German blood."
The Gestapo raided gay bars, tracked individuals using the address books of those they arrested, used the subscription lists of gay magazines to find others, and encouraged people to report suspected homosexual behavior and to scrutinize the behavior of their neighbors.
The Nazis were Christians. History doesn't dispute that whatsoever. It's not surprising either considering so much bloodshed and dysfunction seems spawned from this one source. Only Islam is a worthy contender in terms of body counts.
the nazi's were no more saved than you are. as far as sodo-nazi's, look up rohm, ribbentrop, von balluseck, all high ranking nazi's. not to mention the fact that some historians believe hitler himself was a sodomite. it sure would make sense.
I looked it up. Rohm headed the SA and it was thought that he promoted homosexuals into it. Hitler broke it up and had Rohm executed by Lippart and then made use of Rohms sexuality in propaganda about how the Nazis were purifying the world. Doesn't exactly sound like something a gay Hitler would do. A Christian Hitler? Yeah, probably.
Throughout his life, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and a belief in Jesus Christ.[82] In his speeches and publications Hitler even spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice". - Baynes, N. (ed.) (1942).The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. London, Oxford University Press.
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many drug users try to attain sobriety, but cannot. some do. the same with homosexuals, many cannot give up sodomy, but some can. there are numerous examples of homosexuals who after intensive therapy have ceased having sexual feelings towards people of the same sex.
Well if you did your unbiased research, then you would also see that most people coming out of those programs (for example "exodus") either come out completely brainwashed, severely depressed, and many even commit suicide. Those programs only block their inner feelings, which i think are natural, and make you feel ashamed of who you are.
No one has ever changed their sexuality. Not one. Had they, phallometric testing would show the change. All of the 'ex-gay' programs have been asked to participate in studies with phallometric testing. They refuse for obvious reasons. Obviously if they had ever found one person who had actually changed they would have had them tested to verify it and marketed the results to every media outlet. They never have.
Plenty of 'ex-gay programs' use faith in Jesus Christ. Exodus for example. They have also been asked to participate in testing that would prove the changes. They refuse. Obviously many gays and lesbians come from Christian households and pray through tears in Jesus name to become heterosexual and don't.
that's because they shouldn't pray to 'change their sexuality'. they should pray to be saved and repent of their sins. you shouldn't knock the power of the one who created you, it's not a wise idea.
Dentex, I'm sure that's exactly how they look at it. I'm sure Exodus is a bunch of morons that don't believe sexuality exists and pray to be saved and repent. It doesn't work. If it did, testing would prove that it worked. There are plenty of studies to show the harm it does - including suicides. Spreading myths that lead to suicide isn't a wise idea either if you believe in a Creator.
so obedience to The Word of God is unwise if you believe in God? what logic you have. you're missing the point. homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR, NOT A STATE OF BEING!!! you can cease to become a homosexual at any time you choose by ceasing to perform homosexual acts. whether or not you are still tempted is irrelevent.
you can cease to become a homosexual at any time you choose by ceasing to perform homosexual acts
That's insane. Sexual attraction is instinctual. You can be celibate for years and you're still a homosexual. I was. Being celibate didn't change the fact that I was attracted to the same sex (nor did prayer in Jesus name) any more than it would change a heterosexuals attraction to women.
It's very unwise because it obviously causes harm to others to continue this myth. God's word suggests that slavery is a fine idea which caused it to persist years longer than it would have without the bible. You think that's God's word? If it was it would have said NO MAN MAY OWN ANOTHER MAN, not YOU MAY BEAT YOUR SLAVE SO BADLY THAT HE CAN'T GET UP FOR TWO DAYS AND NO PUNISHMENT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE HE IS YOUR PROPERTY.
how do you know you can just stop being gay? are you gay? I have several homosexual friends and they all say they were born that way. if the bible said straight people were sinners you could not just become straight
You should read about the groups of repentants that travelled the countryside in 12th or 13th century Europe when the Bubonic plague hit. They assumed it was God's punishment. So they went from town to town, beating themselves with straps, imitating Christ's crucifixion.
They finally went so insane from it that they started grabbing any Jew, foreigner or gypsy they could find and killing them in cold blood or burning them at the stake to 'appease God'. They killed thousands. What a noble people you are.
the 'christians' you speak of were catholics, who no matter what they say are not christians. bible believing christians, who were considered heretics, were also treated quite brutally by these folks you speak of. stop distorting history to make a point.
No they weren't: The outbreak of the Black Death, which raged throughout Europe from 1347 to 1349, encouraged an intensified revival of the movement, the flagellants being convinced that the millennium was at hand. They traveled in organized bands, bound by vows to abstain from all physical pleasures and to endure tortures and whippings for 33 days, in memory of the 33 years of the life of Christ.
In 1349 Pope Clement VI declared them to be heretical and strove to suppress them. A revival of the movement in several German states early in the 15th century led to persecutions of the flagellants that eventually culminated in the absolute condemnation of the sect by the Council of Constance (1414-18). - from the Encarta. These maniacs sound very much like Evangelicals to me. They definitely weren't Catholic and they murdered thousands.
christianity is not the only religion which prohibits homosexuality. islam, judaism, and even native american tribal religions all see homosexuality as sinful and immoral. i do not feel superior to anybody, including homosexuals; just because i disagree with you does not make me a bigot. i guess i am also bigoted towards prostitutes and polygamists because i see those behaviors as immoral as well.
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you dont need research? and im the one with no common sense. if you want to prove something, you should probably have research to back up your point. if not, your point holds no water.
You are factually incorrect there Dentex. But carry on misinforming everyone - i don't think it's stopping anyone partaking in "immoral homosexual" behaviour.
Well thats not all true, Reformed Judaism, Buddhism, and some Protestant groups are pro-gay (some churches include but no in its entirety, United Methodists, United Church of Christ, Episcopalians, and some Lutheran). heck, i have a Anglican church down the street that holds services for gay/straight couples.
Should an employer be allowed to not hire someone because that person is black? I guess that should be left to the business also, huh? I dont get this idiot
being a pervert is not the same thing as being black. a company SHOULD be able to fire a person due to their immoral lifestyle and behavior. you insult black americans when you make this comparison.
You think being gay is a perversion? The American Psychological Assosiation disagrees with you on that one dumbass! Being gay is an immoral lifestyle? According to what standards, Christian morality? We have freedom of religion in this country, dipshit. Being gay is something involuntary and uncontrollable, in many ways like being born black... but you dont see that comparison because you are a bigot, and need to feel superiority over someone. I want to kick your ass so badly.
first, homosexuality was considered a mental disorder by the apa until the late 70's. it was taken off the list at the threat of a boycott, not sound scientific study. if homosexuality is involuntary as you say, there would be evidence of this. unfortunately for your argument, all research points to early childhood experiences.
wow what an asshole. That is the equivalent of being able to fire someone for being of a minority.Ridiculous
mzic666 3 months ago
And he was our Governor...Still better than Walker
eddo1983 9 months ago
Wikipedia:
"Homosexuality was originally listed in the DSM, but was removed when the American Psychiatric Association officially claimed that "homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, stability, reliability, or general social or vocational capabilities""
If they can do the job just as well as anybody else then why fire them?
Jamieishere1 2 years ago
i agree the employer should get to decide who works for him not the gov. its what freedom is about, maybe when that employer needs someone real bad the homo- wont work for him.
Rainsdad 2 years ago
america is sooooo backwards
justcornelius 3 years ago
America is not sooo backwards, this idiot Thompson is backwards.
rparis1022 3 years ago
There is nothing wrong with a business owner running and hiring people on their own moral basis. If they want to fire good workers for being something he isn't then it is his business that is being rotted out.
heroicvirus 3 years ago
There is a lot wrong with a business owner running and hiring people based on their own moral basis. Its called discrimination. How about divorcees and the girls in the business that get abortions? Why arent they publicly dismissed? Its all discrimination.
rparis1022 3 years ago
I think that if they fire someone on certain grounds, say on a moral disagreement, then it shouldn't be a mystery to the now ex-worker. Is it wrong to not hire a KKK member if you run a business that is nonracist?
heroicvirus 2 years ago
1/2 of it is, the other half is somewhat sane
poop121 3 years ago
i feel ure pain
u should move to europe... do ppl overthere know how bad it as got?.. europe is literally in shock at how backwards America has become all this creationism evangelical insanity, all the homophobia, all the iggnorance,blind patriotism, fear mongering, its totally crazy.. i cant belive these ppl get listened to and are influencing the direction of the worlds largest economy.. are ppl unable to see that the country has been hijacked by arseholes?? GOD HELP YOU!!
justcornelius 3 years ago
don't be a condescending dickhead, please. anyway, most people deep down know how fucked up half of the electorate is and how shitty these candidates are.
poop121 3 years ago
im sorry to sounds condescending but we are all so tired of it..
if mccain get in it will compleatly alienate america from the rest of the world .. i dont think americans realise what problems this will cause
justcornelius 3 years ago
Of course businesses should be able to fire gays. What if they suck at their job?
Philosophickle 3 years ago
ignorant
cc111751 3 years ago
What's so ignorant about that? If people suck at their jobs, whether they are gay or straight, the person in charge should be able to fire them.
Philosophickle 3 years ago
YEAH if PEOPLE, including heterosexual people. But you said your last comment as if just gay people could make off at their jobs.
cc111751 3 years ago
Gays are people, and all people, gay or straight, should be fireable based on their job performance.
Philosophickle 3 years ago
Im agree with that, but you just didn't explain yourself in your first comment. Just watch its score.
cc111751 3 years ago
That is not what the argument is about. The argument is about being able to fire someone SIMPLY because they are gay.
If someone sucks at their job, yes, fire them.
rparis1022 3 years ago
whooooops! there goes the presidential bid...whizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzing right by you Tommy Boy.
TodaysRat 3 years ago
Legalized job discrimination on the basis of (perceived) sexual orientation. Ineresting. What next, Gov. Thompson? Seperate but equal schools for children, based on their (perceived) sexual orientation? This is 2008, not the 1930s. Running for public office with outdated standards of government sanctioned bigotry is a death bow to any campaign. You picked the wrong door, Gov. Thompson! You've sold out to the wrong bidder!
thursdaysrecords 4 years ago
why shouldn't employers be able to hire/fire whoever the hell they want?
JosephtheLibertarian 4 years ago
You think you should be able to fire someone just because they're black or Jewish?
guardian22222 4 years ago
you know good and well it's not the same thing. besides, 90% of fortune 500's(including my former employer) already have sick anus yearning as a protected status. you want to force small businesses to accept your sexual perversion against their own will. sounds pretty nazi-esque to me. you are more like a nazi than anyone, because you want all opposition silenced.
dentex1986 4 years ago
Well of course it should be a protected status since THE ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY AGREES IT IS NOT A CHOICE.
guardian22222 4 years ago
No they dont, just those "scientists" with an agenda and plenty of satanist controlled media attention. Homosexuality is a choice: the wrong one. You have chosen to believe the propaganda because it suits your desired belief, now you are a vector of that mind cancer.
injunkayl 4 years ago
No you idiot. If psychologists were corrupt they would certainly be saying homosexuality is a choice and a mental illness. They'd certainly have plenty of support in the uneducated conservative community and they'd be raking in millions treating it. Immoral people committing adultery is much more common than homosexuality yet the psych community isn't trying to claim adultery is normal. Why? Read some books on homosexuality and maybe you'll figure it out.
guardian22222 4 years ago
the darkness cannot percieve the light. True CHRISTianity is not supported by the establishment, only fake watered down "CHRISTianity" for the most part the atheists and pagans hold sway. No kid, who is not exposed to the idea of homosexuality or sexuality and has regular contact with members of both sex their age will just suddenly turn to buggery.
injunkayl 4 years ago
No kid, who is not exposed to the idea of homosexuality or sexuality and has regular contact with members of both sex their age will just suddenly turn to buggery.
That's such a lie. I wasn't exposed to homosexuality. When puberty came though I found I was attracted to the same sex and not the opposite sex and tried desperately through prayer and work to change it for 10 years - but sexuality can't be changed. And no, there's no identifiable cause of it.
guardian22222 4 years ago
You are in an enormous amount of spiritual danger and I have said more than enough, I don't know if you can be saved, I hope you can, but it will take a (repentant) move towards GOD on your part to find out. I hope that you aren't damned but if you are, then I hope that you convince as few people of the lies you have chosen to believe as possible
injunkayl 4 years ago
You should look at studies of identical twins raised separately from birth. They're very clear cut and completely contradict your dumb theory. If one twin is gay, the other has an over 50% liklihood of being gay. If it was a choice or from the environment like you suggest, the chance of the other twin being gay would only be 5% like the rest of the population. We've known this for years and it's been repeated in many studies.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Sexuality is a genetic characteristic with a high penetrance. Multiple Schlerosis has a lower penetrance. If one twin develops MS the other identical twin only has a 25% chance of developing MS. And MS certainly isn't a choice and certainly isn't a result of environment or upbringing. Stop spreading your myths. They just hurt people.
guardian22222 4 years ago
No it is nurture not nature, yours is the myth.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Psychologists are often corrupted not only by the doctrine of psychology, which was written for them by satanists and also by their own sinful leanings. But I know I cannot convince you, only GOD can and if he already has and you have turned from it, may GOD have mercy on you.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Psychologists are often corrupted not only by the doctrine of psychology, which was written for them by satanists...
Wow. Sorry I tried to use logic and reason. You're obviously mentally ill beyond repair, injunkayl.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Yeah, there is no such thing as satanist, and they never had any connection to the government, the birth of psychology, the department of education, the foundation and use of asylums, pharmakia, social engeneering, uegenics, same sex marriage, ect. ect.
I am just a wacko.
The truth tastes funny to the decieved.
injunkayl 4 years ago
You are wacko. Your literal faith requires you to see the world in those terms. You see the glass as half empty, not half full. The age of consent in many US states in 1900 was TEN years old. Probably because your bible doesn't address child molestation at all. Biblically, and adult can marry an infant without violating scripture. How sad is that?
guardian22222 4 years ago
Common sense has always worked for the faithful, how thin the excuses you give yourself for the rejection of the truth.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Common sense has always worked for the faithful, how thin the excuses you give yourself for the rejection of the truth.
Thin how?
guardian22222 4 years ago
Thin because you conjecture that since the Scriptures do not specifically address every warped scenario you can imagine, therefore it is wrong and we are free to indulge our wickedness and make up our own "gospels".
injunkayl 4 years ago
No, we aren't 'free to induldge our wickedness' but we can actually live a positive productive life based on a God that truly is Omnipotent, just and righteous, doing what's right simply because it's right instead of out of fear of where we'll spend eternity. Stop imagining God operates on such a low level with such an ancient and immoral belief system. Do what's right because it's right, not because of fear.
guardian22222 4 years ago
The GOD that existed before you, is the omnipotent, just and righteous GOD. Not the one you made up that accepts only your ideas about what is and is not right. GOD operates on fairness and love, but if people are not high minded enough to respond to it, they get fear, and if they are lucky, their fear will motivate their repentance, but if not, then they just get their dues. GOD will not conform to you, you must conform to HIM.
injunkayl 4 years ago
No, a God who drowned the pre-Noah children, firebombed the children in Sodom and Gomorrah, and then had Moses' army slice the Midanite children in half and reward themselves with the surviving virgins - no, I don't think that describes an Omnipotent God, just a limited and immoral God most likely created by man. And even if he is the real God - I wouldn't worship an Omnipotent being that couldn't do any better than that.
guardian22222 4 years ago
That is because you have done what satan wants us all to do: to exalt ourselves and our own knowledge above that of the true GOD. GOD knows best, even when we don't understand it, and there is nessecity of consequenses because consequenses and meaning go hand in hand.
injunkayl 4 years ago
GOD knows best, even when we don't understand it
That's just an excuse to worship an immoral God out of fear. I'd be more afraid that God, being Omnipotent, is actually moral and gave us brains and hearts to know what's right and wrong - and that I might pay the price for worshipping a false God that murders children and believing that's okay.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Conciet, I didn't say I didnt understand it, I said you don't, I didn't always but I trusted the LORD and was rewarded with answers.
injunkayl 4 years ago
So because you don't understand GOD's reasoning in bringing judgemment and since you resent the idea of consequences for activities you indulge in and condone, you have made yourself wiser than GOD in your own eyes and constructed your idol in your own image. It amazes me how intelegence can so well avoid wisdom.
injunkayl 4 years ago
It amazes me how intelegence can so well avoid wisdom.
The true God who saved my life stands up to questions involving morality. Yours doesn't even though if he is God, he should. Why wouldn't he? Is he trying to trick you? I'll stick with mine.
guardian22222 4 years ago
But psychologists have provided plenty of clinical research, especially in the last few decades, to show that children as old as 17 can be seriously harmed by relationships with adults. This has been used as testimony in supporting legislation that has raised the age of consent to 18 in many states - but you ignore that - the glass is getting emptier in your view.
guardian22222 4 years ago
We also have a history of slavery in this country that wouldn't have existed if your God provided scripture saying "No man shall own another man. It is an abomination." But that was just too complicated. Instead we see in Exodus 21:20, it's not just okay to own slaves but one can beat them severely. Many new testament scriptures mention slavery - telling slaves to obey their earthly masters. But we've gotten past this. Yet you see the glass getting emptier.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Your comprehension is very limited. Slavery is either a punishment or a voluntary condition, the master who owned slaves was sometimes evil for it and other times not. See the missing piece of the equasion in your understanding, is that there IS a LIVING GOD to guide us, to teach us what is right for each specific situation and to bring full understanding.
injunkayl 4 years ago
No, it clearly says in Leviticus that slaves could be purchased from neighboring tribes. It wasn't voluntary. And it clearly says slaves can be severely beaten as a punishment - so severely that it's okay even if they can't pick themselves up off the ground for two days because they are your 'property'. This would have been prosecutable in US slavery.
guardian22222 4 years ago
It's pretty simple. A LIVING GOD would have said:
"No person may ever own another in slavery."
That would have saved millions from suffering.
guardian22222 4 years ago
No, the LIVING GOD said, if you dont obey ME you will surely go into slavery. Also HE said that that a man may voluntarily serve another if he wishes.
So your statement about "never" owning someone is rhetorical and your attempt to usurp the real truth with your own sensibilities.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Also HE said that that a man may voluntarily serve another if he wishes.
That's insane. What scripture says that? Voluntarily serve as a slave. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? You might as well say people could voluntarily submit to being prisoners. It makes no sense. If you're a prisoner or a slave there's nothing voluntary about it.
guardian22222 4 years ago
I voluntarily serve the LORD and would be a slave to a fair and rightious commander who shared my tastes, I would find it enjoyable employment. That is the nature of a soldier. Your thinking is very limited and clouded.
injunkayl 4 years ago
I would find it enjoyable employment.
But it wouldn't be employment. It would be slavery. If you changed your mind or something about your employer changed that wasn't to your liking you'd be forced to just deal with it. The ideal lesson for you I guess would be to sell yourself into slavery to a slavemaster you liked and then have him come out as gay a few months later.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Turns out you got along well initially because he was a bigot who hated gays really because he hated his own homosexuality - but he came to terms with it and now you're stuck with him. Good lesson for you.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Leviticus 25:44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
No, it doesn't say you may accept slaves who volunteer to become slaves - which wouldn't make any sense anyway unless you're just nuts.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Like I said, slavery can be a punishment or voluntary. Those people rejected GOD and then became the Israelites slaves as a punishment, which actually turned out better for them anyway. You dont know what you are talking about.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Where is the verse that says slavery can be a punishment or voluntary? What verse?
guardian22222 4 years ago
Well it sounds like you know which verses the punishment slavery can be found in, so here are a few which discuss voluntary slavery:
Leviticus 25:47-49 discusses a voluntary deal being struck and so does Deuteronomy 15:16
injunkayl 4 years ago
The Deuteronomy verse is about someone who was already a slave volunteering to continue in slavery most likely because they're afraid of trying to make it on their own now that they have a slave mentality. You see the same with prisoners who get out and commit a crime so they can immediatly go back, have 3 meals a day, no bills to pay, someone to make them get up in the morning. But is that a good thing? LOL. Is that Godly? LOL. No.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Voluntary is voluntary, the other verse was about a bussiness arangment and then there is voluntary servitude such as choosing to serve the sensei until one has achieved mastery, you are so focused on trying to justify your position you are missing much.
injunkayl 4 years ago
The Leviticus verse implies that when someone is so poor that their choice is sell themselves into slavery or starve to death, they can sell themselves. It also differentiates between slaves and hired workers. And it in no way takes away from the fact that slaves could be bought from neighboring clans selling people forced into slavery.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Let's say, I own a bussiness and a gay comes to me and wants a job, now my disposition is such that I would probably talk to him about the scriptures and if he rejected them, I would give him something to help him on his way to the next destination and turn him away.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Suddenly I have gun toting jackboots violating my private property, threatening santions, torts and slander if I dont hire the unrepentant wretch. Now tell me that we have gotten over slavery with your little socialist/humanist utopia.
P.s. I would go out of bussiness and move away rather than ever be forced to hire someone i didnt want to.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Well it depends on your business. I'm sure if you have a small business with only a few employees and you suspect (or he tells you) an interviewee is gay, you can hire the next person instead and you most likely won't run into any problems. It's discrimination but it's pretty hard to prove on a small scale.
guardian22222 4 years ago
I hire people and when I do I have on the application that they shouldn't have a problem working with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, straights, gays, bisexuals, transgendered, blacks, hispanics, whites, democrats, republicans - so that they know up front I'm not discriminating and if they're the discriminating type they can go elsewhere. I also follow it up with a paragraph on sexual harassment not being tolerated in the workplace so that is crystal clear.
guardian22222 4 years ago
LOL!! That is a form of discrimination in itself, you are just as discriminitory and for religious reasons too, they must accept your satanic 'everythings okay' religion or they are out. I applaud your initiative to discriminate, but you are using it the opposite way you should.
injunkayl 4 years ago
'everythings okay' religion
No, I never claimed that they have to accept my 'everything's okay' religion. They just have to be able to work with people who have different beliefs than they do.
guardian22222 4 years ago
That is saying to disobey their religion, because the idea that "they shouldn't have a problem working with Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, straights, gays, bisexuals, transgendered, blacks, hispanics, whites, democrats, republicans" does violate our morals. Of course I have a problem working (seeing, hearing, knowing, ect) gays, bisexuals, transgendered and democrats those are tenets of my faith. The GODless are just as discriminatory and more, they just sugar coat it.
injunkayl 4 years ago
No, I actually know plenty of Christians that have no problem working with homosexuals. It doesn't influence their belief that homosexuality is wrong and there's nothing in the bible that says they can't work together. In fact, many use Jesus' associations with tax collectors and prostitutes as an example of how they should offer THEIR example to unbelievers. They can't offer an example at all if they refuse to be around them.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Yes but your words were "shouldn't have a problem" of course a CHRISTian has a problem seeing such evil.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Seeing such evil? That's insane. Are you saying you think a homosexual is going have gay sex in the workplace and force everyone to watch? Now that would be evil.
guardian22222 4 years ago
We are to be the light of the world through love and reason, but do we have a "problem" with the unrepentant? Of course, and their deeds and speech are ever offensive.
injunkayl 4 years ago
We are to be the light of the world through love and reason, but do we have a "problem" with the unrepentant? Of course, and their deeds and speech are ever offensive.
The Bible also says you are to approach all other men with humility, as if they are better than you. How does that scripture fit in with your ideas?
guardian22222 4 years ago
You dont understand what it means, I must not feel comfortable with peoples evil, regardless of whether I am to be selfless on their behalf.
P.s. I don't have to actually believe that others are better than me after they have shown their true colors, but I am to remain honest, benevolent and humble but unlike the world thinks, humble doesn't mean dishonest, tolerant of sin or "politically correct".
injunkayl 4 years ago
How does "Ye who have not sinned cast the first stone" fit in? Were the ones holding the stones all prostitutes? No, their sins weren't considered to be relatively better or worse than the prostitute. They were all sinners, period. And supposedly people all still are.
guardian22222 4 years ago
We have all sinned and fell short of the glory of GOD but we are called to repent, not to keep on doing it and telling the truth about sin, such as the MASTER JESUS did, is not throwing stones, so go and sin no more.
injunkayl 4 years ago
guardian, believe it or not i semi-agree with you on this one. you know my opinion on sodomy, but i work with a few sodomites and as long as they keep it to themselves it doesn't bother me. i just think that if a small family business like a daycare or something doesn't want to hire sodomites they shouldn't be forced by big brother to do so, just like a sodo nightclub shouldn't be forced to hire fundamentalist christians like myself. i think big brother should leave folks alone.
dentex1986 4 years ago
And you don't think Hooters should be required to hire flat chested women?
LOL.
Yeah. I think we agree on this one more than disagree, because honestly if we invoke Christian philosophies, a homosexual in your workplace might see you as a highly realized being and think that you have some spiritual answers that he or she wants.
guardian22222 4 years ago
i've worked with many homosexuals, and i've never treated them any differently than i would treat anyone else. i do believe in treating others the way i would like to be treated. although i think that businesses should be allowed to hire and fire as they choose and run themselves as they see fit, harrassment, violence, intimidation, etc should never be tolerated for any reason.
dentex1986 4 years ago
"although i think that businesses should be allowed to hire and fire as they choose and run themselves as they see fit"
What about if I was fired for not being the right skin color, how would you react to that?
sonic8005 3 years ago
Being a sex pervert is not the same as having a certain skin tone. Sorry to deflate your moronic argument with such ease.
dentex1986 3 years ago
"Being a sex pervert is not the same as having a certain skin tone. Sorry to deflate your moronic argument with such ease"
I'm sorry, but being homosexual makes you "a sex pervert"?
Besides, you think that buisnesses should be able to fire somebody based on their own hatred, so you have no right to throw the word "moronic" at anybody.
sonic8005 3 years ago
So we agree on abortion and this. I'm anti-gun control though I own no guns. I'm trying to come to terms with some Libertarian tendencies ;) - oh except my abortion stance - that's not even Libertarian.
guardian22222 4 years ago
i don't like the idea of a ruling aristocratic elite telling me what i'm allowed to say, think, teach my kids, etc. america seems to have gotten away from the idea of self-determination and self reliance, and it seems that dems and reps both want government to solve all of our problems for us. i do think that society should have a standard of decency, but that is ultimately something govt is unable to control.
dentex1986 4 years ago
So are you from Denton? You voting March 4th?
guardian22222 4 years ago
i am originally from denton (you're clever to figure out the origins of my username, most people have no idea what it means), but i've been in austin for about 5 years. i don't see any reason to vote for the county offices here, the candidates seem all the same to me.
dentex1986 4 years ago
I'm from south of Tulsa - which is why I figured out what your username meant. Well and because I used to talk online to a guy that went to school in Denton who I never chose to meet because he was obviously fairly insane, lol. I think in our second conversation he was asking me what my definition of love was and if I felt that way about him. I was like - What? I don't even know you, lol.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Anyway, Obama at least represents the most likely source of change because of his promise to have absolutely no ties or even connections to Washington lobbyists. The other candidates don't offer that. And change, whether it leads to benefit or disaster, usually means progress in the big picture. Register as a Dem if it's not too late and go vote for progress. ;) My pitch, lol.
guardian22222 4 years ago
seriously, dentex. just stop.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
skyscrapers, it doesn't surprise me one bit that you are rooting for barack hussein osama, the anti-american socialist baby-hater.
dentex1986 3 years ago
what is the big deal with senator obama's name? in middle eastern countries, hussein is like the american johnson.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
exactly, skyscrapers. we happen not to live in a middle eastern country( thank God!).
dentex1986 3 years ago
so you're saying that people who live in hispanic countries and have last names like lopez or ramirez should change their name because we happen to not live mexico or central america? obama was born in hawaii, for god's sake.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
we aren't at war with mexico or other latin american countries. we ARE at war with islamic fanatics. it would be like, if during ww2, a guy who happened to be named fritz schnitzenschein ran for president. as i said, i don't oppose him because of his muslim name. i oppose him because of his socialist, anti-christian, anti-american views. however, a clear thinking person should admit that his name/background does bear some relevance.
dentex1986 3 years ago
uh no, actually, his name/background has no relevance, since obama was american born and isn't muslim.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
its a huge "duh" that he's american born. the constitution requires that a president be born in the US. if you knew anything about your candidate, you would know that he was raised partly overseas, and even attended a muslim school in indonesia, a country known for radical islam. do i think he's a radical islamist? no. but if you think that people in the south and midwest, where elections are typically decided, won't think about that come november than you are insane.
dentex1986 3 years ago
well considering obama won over hilary in the majority of the southern and many of the midwest democratic primaries, i don't think that's much of a concern. yes, he was raised in indonesia - his mother worked at the u.s. embassy in jakarta. obama attended two primary schools while in indonesia - both a catholic school and a muslim school. he is neither.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
the democratic primaries in those states mean nada for november. the south and the midwest have consistently voted republican for the past 40 yrs. that's part of the reason why only 2 presidents have been democrats since 1968. we live in a fairly conservative nation. the only way a democrat can win in those states is by being able to connect with traditional american values. obama doesn't stand a chance with his islamic background and radical liberal views.
dentex1986 3 years ago
did you see the debate last week between him and hitler-ly? he obviously lost. i'm not biased against him either, because i would prefer him over the wicked witch of the west wing. even hillary subtly questioned his patriotism. then there's his connection to a 60's radical who bragged about setting off bombs as part of the Weathermen. plus his pastor. add all these things plus his islamic middle name and you get president mccain in january next year.
dentex1986 3 years ago
lol of course. the pastor. what i find funny is, how often have conservative, dominionist preachers said that america is to blame for (insert natural disaster here)? that god is punishing us because we don't stone the gays or because feminists are allowed to talk or because liberals aren't ashamed? and how often has the media crucified not only the pastor, but the candidates that embrace them?
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
the only pastors i can think of who have made similar remarks are fred phelps and jerry falwell, both of whom were trashed by the media. obama's pastor admits to being an admirer of louis farrhakan, who has said things such as "white people are the devil" and "hitler was a great man for germany". most americans feel that sodomy is immoral, that is far different from saying "God damn america".
dentex1986 3 years ago
phelps shouldn't even be considered a pastor, all he wants is attention. falwell was "trashed" by liberal PUNDITS, i.e., olbermann, maher, etc. robertson and falwell and dobson and the like are largely ignored by the mainstream america. no, most americans don't feel that sodomy is immoral, you have yet to show me any statistics proving this ridiculous statement other than "because dentex says so." and obama DOES NOT HAVE AN ISLAMIC BACKGROUND. NONE. AT ALL.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
the FACT that the majority of americans dissapprove of sodomy is shown by the FACT that in EVERY state where sodomite marriage was put to a vote, sodo-mock-marriage was soundly defeated, even in the more liberal states. so either every lib in america forgot to vote on those days, or you stand corrected. obama has an islamic middle name, went to islamic schools, his father and stepfather were muslim. that DOES qualify as a muslim background.
dentex1986 3 years ago
funny how you fail to adress the other issues which seem to be hounding your candidate these days. can i ask why you are going for obama?
dentex1986 3 years ago
i'm not quite sure what issues i'm supposed to be addressing. the biggest issue that seems to be "hounding" obama is his supposedly racist pastor, which i did address. anyhow, there are many for why i support obama (though he wasn't my first pick), so i'll just list the bigger ones. hope ya don't mind reading!
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
obama is smart. he won't out of insecurity appoint cronies and yesmen to important positions around him. bush didn't pick grown-ups until it was too late into his presidency and clinton has too many favors from her husband's administration to return to make wise, considered appointments. i'm pretty confident that obama wouldn't hesitate even to name people he disagrees with to cabinet positions if he respects their accomplishments and thinks he did a good job.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
obama also clearly inspires young people to be involved in politics. the supposed apathy of gen-X and gen-Y has worried older generations for a long time now. but obama is inspiring record numbers of young people to be involved and actually vote. the baby boomers may not be happy about losing power to a younger generation, but the change has to happen sometime, and it should happen by inspiration -- not by default.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
obama has also shown a real commitment to open government. he stands against bad governing in his work against corruption from day one. he's sponsored legislation to restrict gifts to congress by industry representatives, which also carried a whole slew of anti-corruption measures. he's fought against vote fraud. he's been pushing for election and lobbying reform from the start, and in his campaign he's refused to take lobbyist money.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
clinton, on the other hand, when questioned seems baffled that anyone would have a problem with what is by any reasonable standard bribery. her basic lack of integrity is troubling, and i think if she were to be elected president she would continue fighting to maintain the status quo. it's vital that we start the work of picking up the messes left by the irresponsible governance of the bush administration, and you don't get out of a mess with the same kind of thing that got you in.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
anywho, the democratic party has had a long painful history of nominating unlikeable, uncharismatic "default" establishment candidates who are eventually cast aside by the voters. nominating clinton would, as stated earlier, be continuing that tradition at the very time when the dems have a chance to do so much better. that's why i support obama.
and of course, i agree with him on most issues - particularly that regarding terrorism, the environment, education and social issues.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
by the way, there's a difference between believing that marriage is only meant for one man and one woman (which i strongly disagree with obviously) and blaming 9/11 on the gays and feminists. aduhh. i can show you many polls that prove most americans have no "problem" with homosexuals and think they deserve most rights barring marriage but you seem to think all statistics are made up unless they prove your viewpoints right. and sodomy =/= homosexuality. endofstory.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
Being homophobic and hateful is what the two have in common.
sonic8005 3 years ago
lol i know, i totally agree with you. but my point was that most americans don't think we should, you know, stone the gays.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
you can find jeremiah wright's full 9/11 speech in context (search "CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC & Fox News LIED about Pastor Jeremiah Wright" on google) by the way, if you're interested. needless to say, whoever's been screeching about it pretty obviously sliced it up so that it looked like wright meant to say things he decidedly did not
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
his name is not the reason i oppose him, however.
dentex1986 3 years ago
i submitted that comment too fast, sorry, i meant to say people who are hispanic or whose parents were born in hispanic countries.
weareskyscrapers 3 years ago
LMAO at you ha ha sodomites...your a fucken retard you should carry a turd in your wallet for identification...the romans had the right idea...kill every GOD DAMN one of you...fundamentalist my ass...is that PC for bigot? hmmm seems to be
seamusdog420 3 years ago
I don't get the feeling you're really much of a spiritually discerned Christian - but you do have bigotry down pretty well.
guardian22222 4 years ago
I rationally and logically answer eveything you say but I am not discerning because I do not cave into the arguements you have honed on your own consience. The kettle calls the diamond black.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Because of the slavery and because of the Tower of Babel and because of Moses being afraid to consummate his marriage with his African wife (one of his many wives), we had Jerry Falwell leading the pack of fundie Christians and getting interracial marriage banned in 17 states in the 60s. But we've gotten past that as well - and no one even thinks these days about discriminating against mixed kids though that was the touted fear. Yet you see a world falling apart.
guardian22222 4 years ago
We also had strict divorce rules because of your bible. As a result many women remained with abusive husbands because they didn't want to violate scripture by asking for a divorce which would lead to a life alone since remarriage was forbidden. As a result, many died. Others just kept subjecting their kids to the toxic abusive loveless relationships. We've gotten past that.
guardian22222 4 years ago
There's a great new testament verse that says women shouldn't be trusted and should never be allowed to teach men because eve was the one deceived, not adam. Yet eve was deceived by a supernatural being and adam was just talked into eating the apple by his wife - certainly a greater violation. Yet women aren't to be trusted, lol, though men commit at least 80% of all crimes. But this is why women couldn't vote. They can now though and I'm sure God must be really pissed about women voting.
guardian22222 4 years ago
The American Medical Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the World Health Organization, the American Counseling Association, the National Association of Social Workers, the Council on Child and Adolescent Health, the American Academy of Pediatrics and even the health ministries in Russia and China say homosexuality is not a mental disorder, isn't a choice, can't be changed and trying to change it is harmful.
NOT JUST THE APA. EVERYONE.
guardian22222 4 years ago
The whole N.W.O. agrees, that don't make it so.
injunkayl 4 years ago
Josephthelibertarian - Yeah, I am sure you are ok with this until an employer fires you for who and what you are! Let's see how you feel when the universe bring an experience like this to your door-steps and see how "liberal" you'd be about bigotry when you are the reason for it. The hole that you support for the burial of others, ALWAYS become the hole of your own! Remember that!
slimsxyblkwoman 4 years ago
Damn right!!!! It is a private bussiness, they own it and may associate or not associate with whomsoever they choose!!! I would be forced to hire anyone and if I wish to end my proffessional relationship with anyone I may do so!!! The reason I do it doen't matter one bit!!! To hell with stupidity!!
injunkayl 4 years ago
In case anyone doesn't realize it, unless you have an employment contract or are a union member, your employment anywhere is 'at will'. Your employer can fire you for any reason or no reason at any time. They do not have to justify it by saying it is because you are gay, they can just do it.
gamewizard 4 years ago
haha man that's painfull awkward
d3p3ch3mod3 4 years ago
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all religion is b.s. because it does not permit homosexual behavior? what an intolerant thing to say. homosexuals are like nazis: they want to force everyone to agree with them, and if not you will be demonized and even face legal penalties in some places. i thought you folks were all about diversity. you are, unless someone disagrees with you of course.
dentex1986 4 years ago
we aren't asking you to be gay, I'm not gay but I believe in gay rights. I have no problem with religion unless it tries to discriminate against people. That's what you're doing, so you're the nazi.
ambush017 4 years ago
actually many high ranking nazi officials in germany were homosexuals, so your analogy is flawed. some historians even say that hitler himself was a closet homosexual, but that's not the point. i didn't want to debate anyone on the merits of anal lust. the point is that private property is PRIVATE, and you can hire or fire as you choose. would you hire a member of the church of satan to run a daycare center? would you hire a saudi to guard a nuclear bomb? if not you would be discriminating.
dentex1986 4 years ago
More lies from you dentex? First the flagellants were Catholic and now this? What does your bible say about lying? Will you go to hell?
guardian22222 4 years ago
Throughout his life, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and a belief in Jesus Christ.[82] In his speeches and publications Hitler even spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice". - Baynes, N. (ed.) (1942).The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. London, Oxford University Press.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Between 5,000 and 15,000 gay men of German nationality are estimated to have died in concentration camps. - The Holocaust Chronicle, Publications International Ltd., p. 108.
guardian22222 4 years ago
James D. Steakley writes that what mattered in Germany was criminal intent or character, rather than criminal acts, and the "gesundes Volksempfinden" ("healthy sensibility of the people") became the leading normative legal principle. - Steakley, James. "Homosexuals and the Third Reich", The Body Politic, Issue 11, January/February 1974.
guardian22222 4 years ago
In 1936, Heinrich Himmler, Chief of the SS, created the "Reich Central Office for the Combating of Homosexuality and Abortion." Homosexuality was declared contrary to "wholesome popular sentiment," and gay men were regarded as "defilers of German blood."
guardian22222 4 years ago
The Gestapo raided gay bars, tracked individuals using the address books of those they arrested, used the subscription lists of gay magazines to find others, and encouraged people to report suspected homosexual behavior and to scrutinize the behavior of their neighbors.
guardian22222 4 years ago
The Nazis were Christians. History doesn't dispute that whatsoever. It's not surprising either considering so much bloodshed and dysfunction seems spawned from this one source. Only Islam is a worthy contender in terms of body counts.
guardian22222 4 years ago
the nazi's were no more saved than you are. as far as sodo-nazi's, look up rohm, ribbentrop, von balluseck, all high ranking nazi's. not to mention the fact that some historians believe hitler himself was a sodomite. it sure would make sense.
dentex1986 4 years ago
it sure would make sense.
Yeah, that's why he dated Eva Braun for so long and then married her. Get a life.
guardian22222 4 years ago
I looked it up. Rohm headed the SA and it was thought that he promoted homosexuals into it. Hitler broke it up and had Rohm executed by Lippart and then made use of Rohms sexuality in propaganda about how the Nazis were purifying the world. Doesn't exactly sound like something a gay Hitler would do. A Christian Hitler? Yeah, probably.
guardian22222 4 years ago
Throughout his life, Hitler often praised Christian heritage, German Christian culture, and a belief in Jesus Christ.[82] In his speeches and publications Hitler even spoke of Christianity as a central motivation for his antisemitism, stating that "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice". - Baynes, N. (ed.) (1942).The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939. London, Oxford University Press.
guardian22222 4 years ago
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many drug users try to attain sobriety, but cannot. some do. the same with homosexuals, many cannot give up sodomy, but some can. there are numerous examples of homosexuals who after intensive therapy have ceased having sexual feelings towards people of the same sex.
dentex1986 4 years ago
Well if you did your unbiased research, then you would also see that most people coming out of those programs (for example "exodus") either come out completely brainwashed, severely depressed, and many even commit suicide. Those programs only block their inner feelings, which i think are natural, and make you feel ashamed of who you are.
nameless9004 4 years ago 2
No one has ever changed their sexuality. Not one. Had they, phallometric testing would show the change. All of the 'ex-gay' programs have been asked to participate in studies with phallometric testing. They refuse for obvious reasons. Obviously if they had ever found one person who had actually changed they would have had them tested to verify it and marketed the results to every media outlet. They never have.
guardian22222 4 years ago
i admit, psychology can not fix what is a spiritual problem. i don't believe in 'ex-gay programs', i believe in The Lord Jesus Christ.
dentex1986 4 years ago
Plenty of 'ex-gay programs' use faith in Jesus Christ. Exodus for example. They have also been asked to participate in testing that would prove the changes. They refuse. Obviously many gays and lesbians come from Christian households and pray through tears in Jesus name to become heterosexual and don't.
guardian22222 4 years ago
that's because they shouldn't pray to 'change their sexuality'. they should pray to be saved and repent of their sins. you shouldn't knock the power of the one who created you, it's not a wise idea.
dentex1986 4 years ago
Dentex, I'm sure that's exactly how they look at it. I'm sure Exodus is a bunch of morons that don't believe sexuality exists and pray to be saved and repent. It doesn't work. If it did, testing would prove that it worked. There are plenty of studies to show the harm it does - including suicides. Spreading myths that lead to suicide isn't a wise idea either if you believe in a Creator.
guardian22222 4 years ago
so obedience to The Word of God is unwise if you believe in God? what logic you have. you're missing the point. homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR, NOT A STATE OF BEING!!! you can cease to become a homosexual at any time you choose by ceasing to perform homosexual acts. whether or not you are still tempted is irrelevent.
dentex1986 4 years ago
you can cease to become a homosexual at any time you choose by ceasing to perform homosexual acts
That's insane. Sexual attraction is instinctual. You can be celibate for years and you're still a homosexual. I was. Being celibate didn't change the fact that I was attracted to the same sex (nor did prayer in Jesus name) any more than it would change a heterosexuals attraction to women.
guardian22222 4 years ago
It's very unwise because it obviously causes harm to others to continue this myth. God's word suggests that slavery is a fine idea which caused it to persist years longer than it would have without the bible. You think that's God's word? If it was it would have said NO MAN MAY OWN ANOTHER MAN, not YOU MAY BEAT YOUR SLAVE SO BADLY THAT HE CAN'T GET UP FOR TWO DAYS AND NO PUNISHMENT IS REQUIRED BECAUSE HE IS YOUR PROPERTY.
guardian22222 4 years ago
how do you know you can just stop being gay? are you gay? I have several homosexual friends and they all say they were born that way. if the bible said straight people were sinners you could not just become straight
ambush017 4 years ago
You should read about the groups of repentants that travelled the countryside in 12th or 13th century Europe when the Bubonic plague hit. They assumed it was God's punishment. So they went from town to town, beating themselves with straps, imitating Christ's crucifixion.
guardian22222 4 years ago
They finally went so insane from it that they started grabbing any Jew, foreigner or gypsy they could find and killing them in cold blood or burning them at the stake to 'appease God'. They killed thousands. What a noble people you are.
guardian22222 4 years ago
the 'christians' you speak of were catholics, who no matter what they say are not christians. bible believing christians, who were considered heretics, were also treated quite brutally by these folks you speak of. stop distorting history to make a point.
dentex1986 4 years ago
No they weren't: The outbreak of the Black Death, which raged throughout Europe from 1347 to 1349, encouraged an intensified revival of the movement, the flagellants being convinced that the millennium was at hand. They traveled in organized bands, bound by vows to abstain from all physical pleasures and to endure tortures and whippings for 33 days, in memory of the 33 years of the life of Christ.
guardian22222 4 years ago
In 1349 Pope Clement VI declared them to be heretical and strove to suppress them. A revival of the movement in several German states early in the 15th century led to persecutions of the flagellants that eventually culminated in the absolute condemnation of the sect by the Council of Constance (1414-18). - from the Encarta. These maniacs sound very much like Evangelicals to me. They definitely weren't Catholic and they murdered thousands.
guardian22222 4 years ago
christianity is not the only religion which prohibits homosexuality. islam, judaism, and even native american tribal religions all see homosexuality as sinful and immoral. i do not feel superior to anybody, including homosexuals; just because i disagree with you does not make me a bigot. i guess i am also bigoted towards prostitutes and polygamists because i see those behaviors as immoral as well.
dentex1986 4 years ago
That's why all religion is bull shit
fumala420 4 years ago
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you dont need research? and im the one with no common sense. if you want to prove something, you should probably have research to back up your point. if not, your point holds no water.
dentex1986 4 years ago
You are factually incorrect there Dentex. But carry on misinforming everyone - i don't think it's stopping anyone partaking in "immoral homosexual" behaviour.
mojo23mojo 4 years ago
Well thats not all true, Reformed Judaism, Buddhism, and some Protestant groups are pro-gay (some churches include but no in its entirety, United Methodists, United Church of Christ, Episcopalians, and some Lutheran). heck, i have a Anglican church down the street that holds services for gay/straight couples.
nameless9004 4 years ago
Should an employer be allowed to not hire someone because that person is black? I guess that should be left to the business also, huh? I dont get this idiot
fumala420 4 years ago
being a pervert is not the same thing as being black. a company SHOULD be able to fire a person due to their immoral lifestyle and behavior. you insult black americans when you make this comparison.
dentex1986 4 years ago
You think being gay is a perversion? The American Psychological Assosiation disagrees with you on that one dumbass! Being gay is an immoral lifestyle? According to what standards, Christian morality? We have freedom of religion in this country, dipshit. Being gay is something involuntary and uncontrollable, in many ways like being born black... but you dont see that comparison because you are a bigot, and need to feel superiority over someone. I want to kick your ass so badly.
fumala420 4 years ago
first, homosexuality was considered a mental disorder by the apa until the late 70's. it was taken off the list at the threat of a boycott, not sound scientific study. if homosexuality is involuntary as you say, there would be evidence of this. unfortunately for your argument, all research points to early childhood experiences.
dentex1986 4 years ago