HEAVEN?? NO THANK YOU!! why would you want to go to heaven? (theUKatheist)

[ErikKonradSigalov]

1: people do not get into heaven eternally but instead have as much suffering inflicted upon them as they dealt out in their first life (instantly they receive a surge of mental pain) then they get rewarded for all their good deeds but no more ( the reward is an instantaneous emotional contentment that seems eternal) after which they are released into a second life where anything mundanely possible CAN BE ACHIEVED but not on a whim, like a multiplayer rpg with an infinite explorable landscape

[PuncieousIncendia]

#1 Must be a good person or finished their hell sentence (my hell is finite)

#2 A place constantly changing where as a spirt you can leave to explore the universe, or stay and experience life with friends and family and do anything you can imagine, and if you get board with that you can be sent back to earth as a baby.

[spiderskater3]

I'd rather go to hell, where Metallica music is playing forever lol.

[JapaneseStudentSan]

If I were God, heaven would have several levels, the lowest one being reserved for those whose lives made no impact on the world, and the highest one for the people whose actions influenced the course of history in a positive way. Anyone who I considered evil would not have an afterlife, but anyone who did qualify would get a happy one. In my perfect heaven you would simply get whatever you wanted, yet there would also be great things for you to achieve. You could leave heaven when you wanted.

[TheChrisy99]

Im not saying heaven is real ( I really have no idea ) But the bible doesn't describe heaven as a place as such, its a state of being. It talks about it as if you reach complete and utter peace with yourself and being, not travelling to some kingdom in the sky where you meet up with your family etc. If you interpret the bible as this then you can't get bored, that feeling wouldn't exist to you.

[flexbrat]

HEAVEN translated really is the SKY ABOVE , ANGELS ARE MESSANGERS FROM ABOVE , ancient ppl misunderstood these things as divine lol dont think so , as every culture around the world have stories of sky gods , alien interventions much more likely than any god crap !

[Strangerinasland]

@flexbrat "alien interventions much more likely than any god crap

Some theists say aliens are impossible. Some say they are demons. Cannot see reality with those godglasses.

[flexbrat]

dont forget all those partying in hell that may be alot better lol at least it wouldnt be dull !

[flexbrat]

lets say this all takes place within a second of time ! all experiences downloaded in a second ! than what ? sounds really fckd up !

[Foxybingooo]

my terms for getting into heaven would be that you have to be a good person, if you discriminate or disagree with complete equality in any way or don't think people should have certain rights you shouldn't be allowed to get in.

my heaven would be awesome, where everything is exactly how you want and anything is possible and I agree, an opt-out as well.

[MonsterMisunderstood]

@peeps1ism Haha I almost always admire people who can hold so much faith in something. I was never able to. No matter how much I tried and how many times I read the Bible (I would have gone to churches, too, but all the ones around where I live are basically corupt.). I never even believed it when I was a little kid and my parents were teaching me the ways of Christianity. Faithfullness is something I kind of admire in a person and wish I had more of it.

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism look your an obvious troll your channel doesnt even show up. you avoid answering questions by giving stupid replies. if you cant back up YOUR belief then im not interested. i dont have to prove anything to you watch my video on burden of proof, we both know you wont because YOU ARE A TROLL. you have no intention of answering anything or debating anything, just to push your opinions and not listen to anything said.

im not interested in speaking to you. its pointless.

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism

"you are trolling so unless you can give ACTUAL EVIDENCE i am done with you"

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism

"you are trolling so unless you can give ACTUAL EVIDENCE i am done with you"

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism

i'll quote myself

"you are trolling so unless you can give ACTUAL EVIDENCE i am done with you"

this still stands and always will until i get the evidence, all i am going to do from this point is repeat that sentence unless you give evidence that satisfies me and you stop trolling your bullshit.

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism

"everything in existence isn't the overwhelming objective evidence for God's existence and"

again that would be a claim by you. its YOUR burden to prove it.

im not going to continue this pointless argument if ou are going to shy away everytime i ask you to prove heaven or gods existence.

i first asked you to prove heaven exists. you failed. I now ask you to prove god exists which are failing to deliver.

you are trolling so unless you can give ACTUAL EVIDENCE i am done with you.

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism "The burden is all yours."

no it is not. im not claiming heaven even exists! my claim was based on the existence of heaven to which i have been told BY THEISTS.

the burden is YOURS ONLY. you claim its existence, you have the burden of proving that existence.

yes my version of heaven was a fantasy based on theists explanations of it, i by no means think heaven is a real place.

now that is clear, i will ask you for the 5th time. show me evidence of heaven and god.

im waiting!

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism im not having trouble staying on topic , im trying to stay on topic but you are blabbering on about random things that you cant prove.

im asking you for evidence of heaven and god. ive asked you for this several times and you have yet to even attempt to provide it.

you are simply using a distraction technique to which you try and discredit what i have been saying. even if i am wrong with everything i said, you still need to provide evidence for heaven and god. so go ahead.

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism

no it doesnt, your brain defines you, you are a result of your experiences. if you get brain damage these experiences may disappear or you be turned to a 4 year old child mentally. so this happens when you brain is damaged yet when you die and your brain is fully damaged and dead you think you get all your brain functions back somehow?

if you are going to argue the way you do at least show some evidence that the brain is not linked to intelligence or memory, otherwise you're wrong!

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism "So sorry to burst your babble, but existence itself perpetually confounds/defies all feeble attempts by limited, fallible, human logic to comprehend or explain."

is that supposed to answer anything i asked?

i really wish you would stop trying to argue the unknown as proof of your god or of heaven.

im asking you a simple question here, do you have proof Heaven exists?? a simple yes/no answer would be great, then simply show me the proof without using the unknown. 

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism

it is my opinion , i never asserted it as fact. do i really have to spell out that its my opinion every time i make one? of course its not fact i don't believe any of it to be true. it's like me saying that hogwarts school is a ridiculous concept due to it being magic . would you conciser that an opinion or a fact?

instead of tiptoeing around, why dont you tell me what heaven is and how it would be possible. make it clear and FACTUAL. evidence would be nice too.

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism another lovely comment thanks.

yes heaven IS a ridiculous concept. why?

1 - eternity is torture. the way i explained it anyway..please do explain how we can exist in a place that does not consist of time! has NEVER be proven possible and is an ASSERTION of YOUY idea of eternity in heaven.

2 - there is no proof of should, the brain is who we are therefore without it we are nothing. going to heaven with no body or brain is illogical.

it's not opinion. heaven is illogical.

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1ism fantastic, have you finished? Its easy to assert opinionas fact but until you can prove anything you say I have no interest. Good day Sir.

[theUKatheist]

@peeps1is thats lovely, anything else?

[screenflicker1]

see the thing is, your brain reboots every morning in the heaven so you forget what you did a day before, so the joy is eternal. When we're making shit up, lets go all the way lol

[ummmerrrrummm]

cont. If we live in a multiverse, perhaps there would be a whole lot more to explore and understand (if it's infinite). Maybe terrestrial lives are a form of amusement in an eternal existence. A short existence of ignorance to break up eternity?

Any idea is basically speculative though, since we have no idea or evidence for this being the case. But maybe a little bit of creativity on such things feels good, whilst hope for something nice can be good and makes people feel happy?

[ummmerrrrummm]

Not a bad point ukatheist. Your kind of reacting to a typical theistic proposition of Heaven, which is a concept that exists in some form in most belief systems.

If it is, as you have portrayed, then perhaps it might become a little torturous. It's an awkward idea.

Why should experience of Heaven be comparible to the way we experience the Earth? Perhaps we might enter an eternity of reincarnation in different forms in different places, with no recollection of each existence. cont.

[TheTVsam]

The flaw in this video comes down to a common misunderstanding of the concept of eternity. TheUKAtheist is confusing the concept of an existence that is eternal with an existence that is sempiternal. He is describing a sempiternal existence, which means an existence that is endured through an infinite amount of time. This is, however, in contrast with the concept of eternity. An eternal existence is outside of time altogether.

The experience of eternity would not be an endless string of time

[theUKatheist]

@TheTVsam so do you think that is what was meant when the concept was introduced by religions? Because they did mention the words "forever" and "for all time" so I assumed my definition was what they meant. How can someone have consciousness out side time ?

[TheTVsam]

The flaw in this video comes down to a common misunderstanding of the concept of eternity. TheUKAtheist is confusing the concept of an existence that is eternal with an existence that is sempiternal. He is describing a sempiternal existence, which means an existence that is endured through an infinite amount of time. This is, however, in contrast with the concept of eternity. An eternal existence is outside of time altogether.

The experience of eternity would not be an endless string of time.

[Strangerinasland]

@TheTVsam Nothing can happen outside of time. 

[elricdotah]

If it's all hypothetical, why do you state it? It's like the people that say "see the one guy turning religous, he is the proof". If you pick one rule set of heaven and say "this results in heaven being torture" your comment is at least totally pointless.

And why does everyone have to use logic in regards of religion and otherwise not? Any logic behind that?

Agnostic means "I don't care". If you ask me "is there a god/multiple gods?" I will answer "I don't know". And I'm totally sure about it.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah

"if it's all hypothetical, why do you state it?"

how exactly am i supposed to know what a non existent heaven is like?

the hypothetical is based on what theists tell me so i do have a basis for it. you asked me a question about something no one can possibly know, what answer did you expect? me saying it would be like torture is my conclusion from what theists claim heaven to be.

"Agnostic means "I don't care""

no it doesnt. its a statement of knowledge

continued

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist "the hypothetical is based on what theists tell me so i do have a basis for it." That was an answer to my question "who said that...". Bullshit about hypothetics wasn't. Thanks.

And now think again what a general message about heaven says if you talked to some theists and one or two of them said you'd remember everything. Thats the same thing as theists stating "we are right because that one guy converted".

You can't prove that heaven doesn't exist or is torture. But state it.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah i didn't state is as fact, its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that my view of heaven is based on opinion.

you are stating we would not remember everything? maybe in your version of this hypothetical that is true. but that just means living the same experiences over and over. what kind of existence is that?

my opinion was based on theists representation and what the bible says about god, him being a self obsessed , psychopath who craves attention and worship!

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist What is the point of your video? Did you make it especially for the one person that told you their opinion that you'd remember everything? Why would you upload something like that to youtube? What's the logic behind that? To make you vulnerable to other theists (jews+christians as others who also believe in heaven) that have a different opinion on heaven?

And if you talk about the bible, call them jews+christians, not theists.

P.S.: I'm weak agnostic, not theist a. or atheist a.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah sorry I have no idea what you are talking about. Its based on the views of most theists I've spoken to. The only time anyone has proposed the notion that you wont remember anything is one person after I uploaded. Also you see no logic in doing reply videos? Really? Even though this was not one I have to disagree. I seem to get a lot if this nonsense from people who claim to be agnostic. you should understand agnosticism is not a view point its a modifier, eg I'm an agnostic atheist.

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist I didn't talk about reply videos in general. I talk about this video.

Agnostic is not a modifier. Atheists believe there are exactly 0 gods, while theists believe there are 1 or more gods. Pure agnostics believe neither.

According to wikipedia Agnosticism Types_of_agnosticism I'm weak agn and neither atheist agn nor theist agn

I don't believe. I don't care. Impossible to decide atm, end of story.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah "Pure agnostics believe neither"

now is even possible to believe neither, that makes absolutely no sense.

if i asked you if you beleive in unicorns and you answered "i don't know" that would make no sense to me.

also i dont know why you felt the need (like many "agnostics" ) to tell me that you are agnostic at the end of your comment. if you dont care then its irrelevant. " I didn't talk about reply videos in general. I talk about this video"

this was not a reply video!

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist I didn't want you to take the false premise I would be theist. This is really relevant to this discussion.

And as said, I wouldn't answer "I don't know", but ask what "believe" means and what "unicorns" are for you.

To give you an example: i imgur com/qvzU4 jpg

Which answer do you pick?

Or take Schrödingers cat. Is it alive or dead after a while, if the box is still closed? If someone says "just pick one"...why would you? Can you not just not care until the box is opened?

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah

"Which answer do you pick?"

the answer is 25% but there are 2x25% answer giving me 50% chance of choosing the correct one of those answers.

Schrödingers cat is not a question of knowledge, its a guess, there is no evidence for either response, its 50 / 50 chance of either.

its all about probability , what is the probability that a god exists, with all the evidence we have against a gods existence there is a high probability one does not exist, theists only have the unknown.

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist atheists only have the unknown too. Maybe you have evidence, that some sorts of a god some christians believe in doesn't exist. But that doesn't mean ANY god does not exist. Maybe there is an all knowing, all powerful, but not all good meaning one? Maybe there are more than one? Maybe he/she/it/they is/are sleeping (like cthulhu), not all knowing (like zeus, thor, jupiter, etc), not all powerful (see before), etc.?

What evidence do you have against ALL of them?

TBC 1/X

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah We actually say "we don't know" because there is no way to test or observe what is being claimed. The difference is we reject the claims being made because they don't have the evidence to support it. As I mentioned you rather believe something or not , its all about probability, evidencee and logic. Coming to a conclusion is the only logical answer to a belief question. Unless you don't know any arguments for either side, which is ignorance. Again the question is WHY don't you know?

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist I actually say "I don't know" if ... I don't know something. That's how communication works. You write something that is as close as much to the point you want to make. I can also say "I don't decide". Both sides made claims ("there is a god" and "there is no god"), both sides couldn't prove them.

In that regard, I know arguments for both sides and both were wrong.

And if you would come to a logical answer, it wouldn't be belief, it would be knowledge.

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist 1/X continue...

And yes, "taking your chances" is believing. Or guessing as in "schrödingers cat". IF you guess, you can be wrong. If you say "I don't know", you are 100% right (as long as you don't have 100% proof evidence for one side).

And the 25% answer is wrong. As are all other given answers. And you even proved it for yourself that 25% is wrong. If you pick an answer, you are automatically wrong. If you don't pick and answer "all answers are wrong" you are at least correct.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah how exactly is asking trick questions helping your case? There are not the same as asking a belief.. Like I said evidence matters , you way up what you have got, you side with the most probable and logical answer.

When it comes to asking if you believe something the answer can't be "I don't know" it doesn't make sense. You can however answer "I have not looked at the evidence therefore I cannot state an answer" that would be accurate. Really the question is WHY don't you know?

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist There is no "most logical". Logic is either yes or no or unkown ("Don't have the information to solve").

Asking trick questions helps me to help you understand why I can say "I don't know". And no, I don't side up with the most probable. As long as the other probability is greater than zero, even 99,9999% probability can be WRONG.

And if the question is "why I don't know", then "I don't know" HAS to be correct. Therefore I can answer that. Maybe your question is wrong.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah there is always a most logical answer to say there is not is silly. You can always weigh up the probabilities and decide. You choose to not do anything. You must lean towards one side. You can say your not sure but side X seems more probable. To say you don't know is to say you don't care, which is ignorance towards the subject. So I'll ask you, which side seems more probable? To say you don't know just shows you dunem don't know the arguments, I'll also ask do you believe in aliens?

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist "To say you don't know is to say you don't care" RIGHT. And I even said "I don't care". And I said that that's what is the core of agnosticism.

"You choose to not do anything." Wrong. I look at the arguments and see they aren't valid. The counter-arguments on the other hand are oftenly correct.

Which side seems more probable? None. Hardcore catholics seem wrong. That doesn't change a thing for the theist side at all. Only one of them has to be correct.

Same goes for aliens.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah " wrong. I look at the arguments and see they aren't valid. " what a silly thing to say. You also say both sides don't seem probable? That also makes no sense. There are 2 possible answers to the question of Gods existence. Yes or no. One has to be correct. To say none is nonsensical.

My alien question was not answered.

You are getting confused with me asking if these things exist and asking if you believe they exist. We don't know if they exist but you know what you believe.

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist "You are getting confused with me asking if these things exist and asking if you believe they exist. We don't know if they exist but you know what you believe."

I don't believe. I just don't. Is there a god or multiple gods? I don't care. The question can't be correctly proven answered (now). Until now there has not been presented to me one arguemnt that proves one or the other direction. Deciding for one side would be silly and illogical, so I refuse to do so.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah well by that logic you have to sat you "don't know" about anything that cannot be proven. Which is most things as 100% certainty is virtually impossible. Which means you "don't know! If the theory of gravity is true, or plate tectonics, or germ theory etc. Do you disregard those thinds and say "I don't know"for the same reason? Because by your logic you have to.

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist Gravity is a theory on purpose. You know that lots of opposing things are wrong, because you can prove that they're wrong. But that gravity is correct can't be known. And therefore we call it theory.

If you ask me "is gravity theory correct", then I'll answer "I don't know".

And this is the most important thing: "you have to sat you "don't know" about anything that cannot be proven." Correct. I can show you that two object of different kind fall nearly the same. Nothing else.

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist And you make one big mistake: I don't disregard things I don't know. I disregard things I know are wrong.

And you can obviously life both ways, the theist way and the atheist way and still get through your life. Why shouldn't it be possible to life an agnostic way and get through life?

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah " If you ask me "is gravity theory correct", then I'll answer "I don't know"."

Now your just being silly. Fine say you don't know to everything in life simply because its not proven 100% (nothing can be) I give up trying to explain it. Someone going throug life not bothered about Andrews, truth and reality is really sad to me. Thank you for trying but I'm never going to agree with you.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah "I disregard things I know are wrong"

so why do you disregard both atheism and theism ? you dont know any of those are wrong because you are not siding with any which is nonsense to me. you are going around in circles and contradicting yourself here.

" Why shoulntt it be possible to life an agnostic way and get through life?"

i wasn't arguing that , i was arguing that you know if you believe it or not. you sway more to one side.

not knowing if you believe something makes no sense!

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist I don't disregard both. Why would I? I disregard neither. I neither know theism is wrong, nor do I know atheism is wrong. Where did I state that I disregard both?

And as REALLY OFTEN REPEATEDLY SAID: I don't care. I don't sway more to one side, I just don't care. Do you like milk with 3.5 or 3.51 % fat more? I DON'T CARE! Is there a god that has never shown himself and has no direct influence on my life in a way that I see? I don't care. Is there no god at all? I don't care.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah

agnostasism is a state of knowledge to to atheism or theism.

to say "i dont know" makes no sense!

if i ask you "do you believe in unicorns" and you replied "i dont know" that would not make any sense!

you rather swing one way or another. there is no "i dont know" to these questions, if you claim "i dont know" then that makes you an agnostic theist because you dont reject the claim of god you still could accept it.

[elricdotah]

@theUKatheist If someone can prove to me that there is a god, sure I'll accept that. If someone can prove to me that there isn't...I'll accept that instead. As long as neither can, I don't care.

If someone asks me "do ou believe in unicorns?" I'll aks back "what does believe mean?" (and ("What do you think defines a unicorn?"). Have I seen one? No. Am I 100% sure there are no unicorns in the whole universe? Hell no. Is it possible to see one tomorrow? Maybe. Highly unlikely, but maybe.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah "If someone can prove to me that there is a god, sure I'll accept that. If someone can prove to me that there isn't...I'll accept that instead. As long as neither can, I don't care."

fallacy here , its impossible to disprove the existence of anything so that will never happen.

also i agree aboslute certainty is never going to happen, its all about probability. is it probable that a univorn eists? no, is it probably a god exists? no, is it probable a religious god exists? Hell No.

[elricdotah]

You say "anyone who would not use their logical mind I gave them would not get in"...do you exclude yourself on purpose? Or are you in heaven anyways because you make the rules?

I ask this, because you don't use logic all the time too. Don't get me wrong, I do this too, but you seem to believe you do.

In your video you talk about how you see everything and talk to everyone and learn everything...who said that in heaven you won't forget anything?

P.S: I'm agnostic.

[theUKatheist]

@elricdotah the simple answer is, its all hypothetical. As I said I don't believe in heaven. If there are rules no one knows them so your asking me a question no one could possibly know.

The part about the l using logic I thought was clear due to the nature of my videos, I meant in regards to religion. Also my "rules" are examples, thats all.

I would also like to point out that agnostic is not a view point, its a modifier. You are rather an agnostic theist oragnostic atheist.which one is it?

[Jbear9]

“The mind is its own place, and in it self

Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven.”

~John Milton, Paradise Lost

[Jbear9]

This reminds me of a song my husband used to sing: "Monday, nothing, Tuesday, nothing, Wednesday, a little more nooootthhiiinng."

So, what are we going to do for the next billion years?

[theUKatheist]

@LYTHBAND "There would be no boredom because there is no new moment,"

the way we experience reality is within the constraints of time. if it was how you describe how exactly would that work?how can we enjoy a place where no new moments take place?

[theUKatheist]

@LYTHBAND ""heaven" to me would be a place with out negativity or flaws"

that wouldn't be heaven to me because where would your contrast of positivity and negativity come from? if its constantly good then you cannot compare it to anything. if that makes sense?

the rest of your comment doesn't make much sense to me I'm afraid.

[theUKatheist]

@LYTHBAND heaven to me would be to exist for a finite amount of time but have almost limitless abilities ( for example flying , time travel, invisibility ) maybe being able to relive days of your life but play out a different scenario. like that gril you never had the courage to ask out, or going back and seeing what the world would have been like without hitler etc. being able to experiment with the past & future without effecting the "real world" ,like a parallel reality where you hurt no one.

[OneClownShoe]

I think that life has more meaning if it is not eternal.

[AscendingParadigm]

praising the lord for eternity sounds like hell to me

[theUKatheist]

@AscendingParadigm agreed!

[laxpaint]

times a zillion years times a zillion years times a zillion years times a zillion years times a zillion years times a zillion years times a zillion years.........................­..................that was the beginning and it would be torture to exist that long. Our planet is only 14 billion years or so old. Fuck that! I'd decline and ask to be deleted.

[Tethloach1]

@laxpaint the reason its inconsiderable because you cannot measure it at all it's literally impossible to measure.

[Marioiswicked]

perfect vision of a heaven? I'd be inside some sort of video game like skyrim, but when i get bored i can always add new things and gain new skills. then i would possibly put myself in a terrifying situation like Dead Space and go through that and see what happens. point is: if im going to be there forever i will not be anyones bitch, and heaven must have infinite things to do and see. 

[metallicafol1]

i do have a question, and let me say i am a atheist before i ask this lol. it is mearly im a bit of a smart ass and there is nothing wrong with questioning, perhaps u can help me out. in you video you talked about running out of things to do but acording to theists god has aparent unlimited power or something like that but in the concept of eternity there could be infinite things to see?

p.s. i love your videos by the way and keep em comming!

[theUKatheist]

@metallicafol1 hi, i understand your question which i will address by saying that an eternity of seeing new things would still become stale. think of it as sitting on youtube and being able to watch any video you please. eventually after an hour you get bored, maybe 3 hours, 8 hours? try doing it constantly fora full week., even though there's infinite uploads happening and everything you can think of you WILL get bored. we cannot comprehend infinite time, we simple would not want it.

[MissGueraLove]

Growing up in a JW environment, we were taught that after the destruction of this world, we would inherent the Earth as a Paradise, with immortality of course. They probably could of sold that to me, until they started talking about no more technology, and we would all have to build our own houses and grow our own food, no more movies, no more video games, no more internet?! Yeah, No Thanks. >.> I've always felt that if any afterlife was real, I would want reincarnation. 

[Xatasha6611]

If I was a god I would kill myself. Think about it. You know all that was, is and will be. There is nothing new or interesting for you

[theUKatheist]

@Xatasha6611 I would make everyone else Gods, how fun would that be! :)

[Xatasha6611]

@theUKatheist That would be a curse for them. Part of being human is learning new things, exploring the unknown and trying to better ourselves and the world. If you have it all then what is the point of doing anything? IMO it would be very depressing to be a all powerful god. Now that is if you were like the christian god if say I was like a Greek god then it would be more fun.

[theUKatheist]

@Xatasha6611 noo i didnt mean like a Christian god, i meant more in the sense of a superhero . godlike human. being able to fly, lazer eyes, x-ray vision. move objects with the mind all that sort of thing.

[Hoganply]

@theUKatheist Humanity, on average, is rather stupid so I don't think that would be a good idea. lol

[Tethloach1]

@theUKatheist 1. to get into heaven: You would have to be honest and, accept science over faith. if i was all powerful, and humans lived forever I would change the human mind, boredom would not consume them, infinite possibilities, risk and rewards, everyone would be responsible for their own lives, trillions of universes, obstacles that make it impossible to visit every place and see everyone. death available: black holes, supernova explosions. the pain would last millions of years.

[Tethloach1]

@Xatasha6611 It would be impossible to kill yourself, because if that was the case your god for good no opting out. By the way how many new things do you do each day?? You wake up, eat, take a crap, shower, work and repeat doesn't sound new to me?? religious people like heaven but hate earth. atheist hate fantasy but like reality. existing or not we don't seem to have a choice, well you can't decide not to be born. Life is like book or a story, and a never ending story is pointless i agree.

[Xatasha6611]

@Tethloach1 No it would if god is all powerful he can do anything he likes, if he cannot do something then he isn't all powerful. Life isn't pointless unless you choose to make it so. I choose to raise my kid to be better than myself, love as much as I can and do what I can to make the world better for the future generations. However I don't need and frankly wouldn't want a god for this

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[peteq1972]

philhellenes video, called 100000000000 years or something is a cracker!

What's that heaven thats got a Beer volcano and stripper factory? lol

[theUKatheist]

@peteq1972 yes i saw that a long time ago, that was the inspiration for this one, i thought it suitable for a follow up for my last video.

"What's that heaven thats got a Beer volcano and stripper factory?"

hmm, is it the same one thats got a sex palace, an alcohol and drug fountain , plus the ability to make anyones body parts bigger?

haha

[theUKatheist]

@peteq1972 yes i saw that a long time ago, that was the inspiration for this one, i thought it suitable for a follow up for my last video.

"What's that heaven thats got a Beer volcano and stripper factory?"

hmm, is it the same one thats got a sex palace, an alcohol and drug fountain , plus the ability to make anyones body parts bigger?

haha

[peteq1972]

@theUKatheist hmm, i think it might be FSM's heaven but not sure, sounds good to me, lol.

[peteq1972]

@theUKatheist hmm, i think it might be FSM's heaven but not sure, sounds good to me, lol.

[CuriousMoth]

Worse than that you've seen it all before is that humanity has a finite existence. What do you go to explore when everything is a fine dust spread around space? Where're your beautiful sights? What challenges remain?

What's Heaven to me? This. This life I'm living is as close to a heaven as I can imagine, not because it's wonderful, but because often times it is not. Sorrow and opposition are necessary companions to happiness and hedonism. Without contrast, everything is a neutral blur.

[Tethloach1]

@CuriousMoth i agree without suffering you can't experience great deal of joy, this is as close to a heaven as we will ever be, the more we study science the wonderful and amazing life is. Nobody want's to be old, nobody want's to live forever not even this universe will live forever. Life is like a story, a never ending story would be dull in the imagination of a human if its the same story and has no conclusion.

[NecipPerver]

@NecipPerver also consider there may be Infinite-dimensional space that would mean I would be busy exploring for an eternity then there is the possibility of an infinate number of universes.

[NecipPerver]

my idea of heaven would be to to explore every planet, galaxy, solar system out there fly through black holes find out whats inside that might take an eternity plenty more unknowns going on who knows what else is yet to be discovered, earthly pleasures as you say can get boring. But realistically waste of time imagining anything we just happened then we die and then nothing I'm cool with that.

[Metal1998]

Rules for getting into heaven: be a christian.. read the bible, see how fake and stupid christianity is, learn that christianity and any other religion in the world is pure bullshit.. be an athiest.. ther you go! u passed the test, now you can go into heaven lol Second response would be: My heaven would be like partying with rockastars and drinking some beer with them, ohh yea and flying with them to

[AtheismTV]

On the subject of heaven: watch?v=uys-5R_rIVI

[KT45]

I'd basically let anyone into heaven but for people who did horrific things there would be a limbo area where you would have to do good deeds to earn your way into heaven. So everyone would eventually get to heaven.

[Tethloach1]

@KT45  i like that idea nice

[Bigal155]

@Christheatheist1...pmsl...I'v­e now got a mental image of heaven where everyone walks about in togas and sandles playing a five fingered symphony.

You made your point very well...in fact, you might be classed as a master debater, haha ;)

[Shmuklidooha]

Fuck heaven, let's all us atheists meet up in hell, that's where all the good music is =)

[Jinnersthemidget]

@Shmuklidooha "Take me to Heaven but give me the music from hell" Good song.

[Christheatheist1]

1. Credulity would be left at the door along with superstition, closed mindedness and social exclusivity. 2. Heaven would be an optional experience, lasting just as long as the person desired with an easy out. It would be completely individual and would change according to the desires of the individual. There would be no god worshipping, but there would be sex, music, food, wanking, and all other forms of fun.

[ulodetero]

1) I'd probably allow everyone in, but there'd be a lower social class or level for irrational people. They'd have less abilities, so they don't bother people.

2) The real world as it is. But us 'angels' have no bodily needs, and can travel instantly. We can also interact with the physical world to help and advise the living/pre-death. Maybe we can manipulate matter. And we're telepathic.

Once you've seen everything etc, you can create new things! And see the new stuff everyone else made!

[10phoenix01]

@theUKatheist I wish I knew the only thing you can do is report it to YouTube

[theUKatheist]

@10phoenix01 everytime i upload i get 5 instant thumbs down :(

[Neueregel]

Well argued, even Eternity would be boring after some billion years.

[10phoenix01]

My rules for getting into heaven: rule 1: you will not get in to heaven if you are un questioning even of me I did not create beings that are mindless rule 2: I have given you anger for a reason use it no pussies in heaven rule 3: you must be willing to learn and change forever . My idea of heaven would be new experiences everyday the ability to learn constantly with a partner oh and to have the power of all super Heros lol

[theUKatheist]

@10phoenix01 haha i like that one! .. ps random question. dont suppose you know how to get rid of vote bots. lol?

[Bhabelus]

The purpose of the human brain his to solve problems. Without them, it would have no use and simply atrophy... A year in have and we'd all be crazy or mindless zombies...